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Bluefoxicyman02:41
Bluefoxicyhow do I test debian-installer02:41
TheMusonetboot?02:54
Bluefoxicyheh03:11
pittiGood morning04:15
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pittiinfinity: please remind me again, does soft-freeze mean that -proposed→ release migration is suspended, or that we should stop uploading to -proposed?04:54
pittiinfinity: nevermind, language-selector just migrated, so I guess it's the latter05:30
ScottKpitti: In theory migration is suspended.  The block I put in place is not ideal however.05:47
ScottKI also put it up somewhat late.05:47
ScottKSo you're supposed to be able to keep uploading.05:48
pittiScottK: ah, ok; the language-selector fix is fine I think, but I wouldn't want to upload a new gvfs during the freeze05:48
pittiScottK: does "late" mean "within the last hour"?05:48
ScottKYes05:48
pittiah, ok05:48
ScottKI guess though with Edubuntu bailing out of Alpha 2, it's just Kubuntu AFAIK, so maybe gvfs is fine.05:49
pittiit's on kubuntu-active-dvd-live05:49
pittibut aside from a new backend, it's mostly bug fixes05:50
ScottKAh.05:50
ScottKRiddell: ^^^^ is that still a valid seed for us?05:51
pittiScottK: so apparently authres also just migrated05:53
ScottKThat's not on any images though.05:53
ScottKThe block is meant to be limited.05:54
pittiah, great05:54
ScottKI was supposed to write a script to generate the hint, but didn't get time yet, so what's in place is not ideal.05:54
pittiScottK: so in theory, the block will take care of not migrating packages that affect a2 images, and people can just go on uploading?05:54
ScottKThat's the theory.05:55
ScottKIf they theory doesn't work out, bad on me for not writing a better block, IMO.05:55
* pitti presses "Like!" button05:55
isaiasHello to all Ubuntu Dev' ^_^05:58
dholbachgood morning07:59
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diwicseb128, hi09:27
seb128diwic, hey09:28
diwicseb128, how are you?09:28
seb128diwic, I'm good thanks, how are you?09:28
diwicseb128, it's a bit calmer due to chinese new year :-)09:29
diwicseb128, so I'm looking at a oem-priority bug, which they want fixed in 12.04 preferrably09:29
diwicseb128, bug 107156109:30
ubottubug 1071561 in OEM Priority Project precise "[sound-nua] Bluetooth device not listed if change mode to Off" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107156109:30
diwicseb128, first, it bothers me that not more people have discovered, but anyway. For 13.04 my ambition was to actually make us handle the off profile better09:31
diwicseb128, and for 12.04 we would just remove the off profile like we have done for alsa cards09:32
diwicseb128, but now I don't know if I'll get to that during this cycle; so what do you think?09:32
diwicseb128, what is your advice here - in what order should I/we do what, essentially?09:33
seb128diwic, reading that bug/patch09:34
diwicseb128, and, btw. In 13.04 bluetooth will start to work a bit differently when we upload PA 3.0, so it's possible this bug resolves itself for bluetooth anyway09:34
seb128diwic, so the issue is that you can turn a device off and then not on back because it's dropped from the list?09:34
diwicseb128, exactly. Change the bluetooth profile to "off" and it disappears from the list09:35
seb128diwic, that seems fine for SRU to me, do you want me to upload that to raring and precise?09:36
diwicseb128, yeah, I think that's the simplest way. Haven't checked if it applies to 13.04 straight off09:36
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diwicseb128, do you want another merge proposal for raring, or do you take it from here?09:40
seb128diwic, do you consider that as upstreamable to GNOME or as a distro hack until pulseaudio fixes the issue?09:41
diwicseb128, upstreamable09:42
diwicto gnome09:42
seb128diwic, it would be nice if you could upstream it and I will handle the Ubuntu uploads09:42
seb128diwic, works for you?09:42
diwicseb128, ok, I'll make an upstream bug for it09:43
seb128diwic, thanks09:43
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xnox@pilot in10:23
=== udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Ubuntu 12.10 released | Archive: Open | Dev' of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ | #ubuntu for support and discussion of hardy -> quantal | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: xnox
xnoxplease reject / mark w-i-p / resubmit of https://code.launchpad.net/~baltix/ubuntu/precise/ubuntu-defaults-builder/remove-quotes-from-firefox-bookmarks-titles/+merge/13710710:31
* dholbach hugs xnox10:41
seb128diwic, let me know when you open the upstream bug, I would like to add the bug reference to the changelog10:42
diwicseb128, ok, can you reach bugzilla.gnome.org? It seems down.10:45
seb128diwic, you are right, connection failed10:45
diwicseb128, I'll try later and let you know if I succeed10:48
xnoxfixed up bug 77862710:49
ubottubug 778627 in bash (Ubuntu Precise) "In natty, bash completion now quotes shell variable references rather than expanding them" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77862710:49
tziOmI get a kernel segfault on 12.10 updated running exim4/spamass/clamav/nfs mounts11:26
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bdrungSweetshark: you have got mail. there is just one blocking issues.11:52
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bdrungseb128: i would love to see this blueprint raised: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reboot-libreoffice-packaging12:11
seb128bdrung, hey, thanks for the reviews on libreoffice ;-)12:17
seb128bdrung, yeah, we would like to see packaging cleaned but we have only one lo maintainer and getting things working and libreoffice updates is higher priority than cleaning a working debian/rules...12:18
tziOmHow can I prevent ubuntu from loading radeon driver? Seems to cause kernel panic here!12:38
xnoxtziOm: for support see #ubuntu or askubuntu.com or just google "blacklist kernel module"12:44
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bdrungSweetshark: it would be nice if you could push those changes. then i can rebuild the source from the checkout so that you can properly tag the uploaded commit13:18
bdrungseb128: you're welcome.13:19
bdrungseb128: the packaging reboot will rewrite debian/rules and most of the logic will be done upstream by their build system. the reboot will split the source package, reduce build time, make it faster to review, less error-prone. i make a bet that the invested time will pay back in the future.13:21
seb128bdrung, is debian on board with that reboot?13:22
seb128bdrung, or does it mean forking libreoffice's packaging in ubuntu?13:22
bdrungseb128: i haven't asked the debian maintainer. Sweetshark said that the debian maintainer is conservative. i assume that he will jump on board once the initial step are done. let me ask him.13:24
seb128bdrung, thanks (and good luck, the debian maintainer is not really ubuntu friendly ;-)13:25
ogra_"conservative" heh13:26
ogra_he's such a diplomat13:26
Laneyi'm sure he'll see the merits in good engineering ;-)13:27
bdrungseb128: i can contact him with my DD address :)13:27
seb128bdrung, that's probably wiser ;-)13:27
cjwatsonseb128: Do you have anything to add to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop for 12.04.2?13:33
seb128cjwatson, no, I don't think we did any change, which is not already mentioned, and is worth listing13:35
seb128cjwatson, libreoffice 3.5.7 was uploaded but that didn't get out of proposed I think?13:35
cjwatsonseb128: no, still not completely verified according to pending-sru13:38
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seb128cjwatson, it has a MRE and there is no specific testcase afaik, it's mostly "wait until there is enough confidence the update is good"13:40
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cjwatsonseb128: Sure, I just don't tend to take that kind of decision as an ubuntu-sru member and prefer to wait for somebody more domain-competent to take it and mark the bug accordingly13:41
seb128cjwatson, ok, fair enough13:41
seb128Sweetshark, ^13:41
seb128Sweetshark, if/when you feel confident the 3.5.7 SRU got enough testing and is good please change the tag to verification-done13:42
cjwatson(I do tend to look over the bug to make sure it was tagged by somebody I know is competent or somebody who quoted a good reason; but it's rare for me to tag it myself)13:42
seb128yeah, I doubt anyone out of Sweetshark has enough of an overview of the testing done/bugs opened since/feedback to tag that one anyway13:43
seb128or it would take a day to sit down and digest all the infos/feedback we received through launchpad/forums/...13:44
cjwatsonRight13:44
cjwatsonSome bugs are easier - coming up to 12.04.2 there were various bugs pending verification that amounted to "is it actually possible to install this package?", so I just verified those quickly in an schroot13:44
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seb128yeah, I had on my todo to try to help verifying some SRUs, I didn't get to it though :-( I will still try to do some after 12.04.2 when things are unfrozen13:46
cjwatsonmlankhorst,tjaalton: Either of you know what's happening with bug 1122072?  It's showing up in 12.04.2 testing reports13:48
ubottubug 1122072 in xorg (Ubuntu) "[Precise on VirtualBox] "Fatal server error: no screen found" in Xorg.0.log" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112207213:48
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mlankhorstcjwatson: ugh sounds like a bug fixed in raring13:49
mlankhorstlet me find the specific commit that fixed it13:49
tjaaltonvirtualbox didn't get updated?13:49
mdeslaurcjwatson: mind if I merge curl?13:50
mlankhorstcjwatson: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56343 ?13:50
ubottuFreedesktop bug 56343 in Drivers/DRI/i965 "[Regression i965]X fails to start with headless" [Major,Resolved: invalid]13:50
cjwatsonyou'd know better than I :)13:50
cjwatsonmlankhorst: Probably too late to fix for .2 now, but if you can find it a backport for .3 and a release note in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop would be appreciated13:50
mlankhorststill fixable if i have someone to verify it13:51
cjwatsonmdeslaur: Go ahead; just be careful to preserve the +x perms on debian/*.links (easy to lose by accident)13:51
mdeslaurcjwatson: thanks for the hint13:51
cjwatsonmlankhorst: Hm, I hadn't been planning to respin the desktop images; it would depend whether this affects substantial real hardware too13:51
cjwatsonAnd this would probably require respinning many flavours ...13:52
infinitycjwatson: Well, it affects anyone booting a desktop image in vbox to install...13:52
mlankhorstok it could be done as SRU probably13:52
infinitycjwatson: Since no X, no ubiquity.13:52
cjwatsonSure, I just don't see virtualbox as a showstopper13:52
cjwatsonmlankhorst: So what 2D driver is out of sync here?13:52
tjaaltonhmm13:53
mlankhorstcjwatson: no it's a bug affecting quantal too, if you have no outputs it doesn't see the hardware13:53
tjaaltonvbox shouldn't need any special driver13:53
tjaaltonthe special driver adds more features but it's never available on the installer13:53
cjwatsonmlankhorst: Just trying to understand how that upstream bug matches up, given Eric Anholt's reply13:54
tjaaltonprobably not that bug :)13:54
mlankhorstcjwatson: get a desktop computer, unplug all displays, see if you can reproduce it :P13:54
mlankhorston quantal13:54
cjwatsondesktop computers?  what are those?13:54
tjaaltoni have five!13:54
mlankhorsta laptop without builtin screen, keyboard and touchpad!13:54
tjaaltonplus panda13:54
Sweetsharkseb128: When I left for vacation, I felt good with the SRU already, just wanted to let it hang for a few more days. I havent seen anything popping up so far, but would need to recheck mails and lp-comments again carefully one.13:55
mlankhorstand no battery either13:55
cjwatsonmlankhorst: ah, old tech13:55
vibhavcjwatson: Some say they are bigger than laptops13:55
cjwatson(you may infer I don't have any, at least not any that wouldn't require some hardware maintenance to get up and running again ...)13:55
tjaaltonmlankhorst: if it's fixed in xserver 1.13.x then we probably should add it there..13:55
seb128Sweetshark, ok, please recheck what happened while you were away and if you don't see any real issue tag it as verified?13:56
mlankhorsttjaalton: yeah I want to use xorg-integration-tests as a reason to add a MRE to input-evdev and xorg-server13:56
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tjaaltonright but if there's an identifiable commit it could be sru'd right away13:57
cjwatsonDo we know if this bug affects kvm?13:57
Sweetsharkseb128: k, will do.13:57
mlankhorsttjaalton: should be d71a17cfab6536df9df46a342a24dd415c02019213:57
seb128Sweetshark, danke13:57
cjwatsonAh, psivaa says it doesn't13:57
tjaaltonmlankhorst: ah13:58
seb128cjwatson, mlankhorst, tjaalton: is the bug you are talking about the "12.04 isos can't be booted from a raring kvm/virtualbox"?13:58
mlankhorstyes13:58
tjaaltonit shouldn't matter what the host has13:58
cjwatsonseb128: kvm is reported to work fine, at least via libvirt13:58
seb128k, I ran into that last week when I wanted to try to verify some SRU13:58
cjwatsonseb128: bug 112207213:58
ubottubug 1122072 in xorg (Ubuntu) "[Precise on VirtualBox] "Fatal server error: no screen found" in Xorg.0.log" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112207213:58
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tjaaltonI can try kvm in a bit13:59
mlankhorstseb128: it should affect normal quantal too though13:59
seb128cjwatson, I tried to kvm -cdrom .iso and that didn't work for me, not sure if it uses libvirst by default?13:59
* penguin42 has done a Precise install on Raring kvm a couple of weeks ago13:59
cjwatsonseb128: kvm doesn't, no13:59
cjwatsonI'll check once rsync finishes14:00
seb128ok14:00
cjwatsonhttp://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?h=d71a17cfab6536df9df46a342a24dd415c020192 presumably14:00
cjwatson(per mlankhorst above)14:01
mlankhorstbut if somebody verifies the bug exists on quantal too, i can do a sru for both14:01
cjwatsondo any of you have virtualbox set up to help verify it?14:02
mlankhorstnope, suppose i could see if the other system fires up though14:02
seb128cjwatson, I have14:02
cjwatsonsince I assume it'd be rather fiddly to do it based on a live CD (unless we promoted it to -updates in advance of verification, and, er, no)14:03
cjwatsonI guess I could do a custom one-off image build if need be14:03
* mlankhorst has netboot for live quantal14:03
seb128cjwatson, how would I go about testing it?14:03
cjwatsonwith just everything in -proposed14:03
cjwatsonseb128: the bug says that if you boot a live image and select "Try Ubuntu" (etc.) then that reproduces it14:04
cjwatsoninfinity: ^- which suggests, incidentally, that ubiquity works fine ...14:04
seb128right, I can confirm the bug, not sure how to test the fix, does that require to respin an iso?14:04
mlankhorstFatal server error:14:04
mlankhorst[    13.893] no screens found14:04
mlankhorst[    13.893] (EE)14:04
mlankhorston headless quantal with real hardware14:04
mlankhorstah well lets try the fix..14:04
cjwatsonseb128: possibly break=casper-bottom and install a new package from -proposed14:04
cjwatsonseb128: but a custom image might be easier, or if mlankhorst can verify in a more normal environment ...14:05
seb128ok, seems like mlankhorst is on it14:05
infinitycjwatson: Erm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.14:05
cjwatsonI know.  I wonder if it only affects second and subsequent attempts to launch a server, or something14:06
cjwatsonOr maybe only via display managers that are more normal than ubiquity-dm14:06
cjwatsonubiquity-dm does hardcode various things14:06
mlankhorstok rebuilding xorg-server now14:07
tjaaltonso we have a plan to request a MRE for xorg-server minor releases, but it didn't occur to me that it would've been useful for .2 :/ also, integrating the tests is still WIP14:07
cjwatsonIf we're going to do this for .2 it'd need to be a cherry-pick anyway14:08
tjaaltonsure thing14:09
cjwatsonThis patch is pretty simple and shouldn't require much retesting of other things14:09
cjwatsonIs this only in xorg-server-lts-quantal/precise, by the way, or xorg-server/precise as well?14:09
mlankhorstjust quantal14:09
cjwatsonok, good14:09
mlankhorstdupe of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/103751814:11
ubottuUbuntu bug 1037518 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT - FatalError (f=f@entry=0x7f41e2f9a9e2 "no screens found")" [High,Triaged]14:11
mlankhorsthm wonder how I missed that14:12
cjwatsonthat says it's still happening in raring?14:12
mlankhorstshouldn't afaict14:13
cjwatsonalso claims it's a dup of bug 982889.  Is there any possibility that making this compat output change might affect the server's behaviour if it happens to be started up before drm devices appear?14:13
ubottubug 982889 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98288914:13
mlankhorsthm that's a different bug14:13
mlankhorstok I'll undupe for now14:14
cjwatsonQuestion still applies though :)14:14
mlankhorstno14:14
cjwatsonOK ...14:14
mlankhorstthis is specifically about not finding screens due to no outputs being connected, I think14:14
cjwatsonSo none connected != some connected but open fails?14:15
mlankhorstyes14:15
cjwatsonRight, makes sense, thanks14:16
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mlankhorstwell you can test if you want by cherry picking that patch, it fixes the headless case for me14:16
cjwatsonOn reflection, happy for this to be SRUed and respun for .2 if it checks out for you14:16
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mlankhorstseb128: want to try with a custom xorg-xserver-core deb?14:17
seb128mlankhorst, my image is i386 if you have one of those?14:19
mlankhorstquantal?14:19
mlankhorsteither works, I need to rebuild for lts-quantal anyway, and I have netboots for precise/quantal/raring i386/amd6414:21
mlankhorstI so need to automate lts-stack sru's at one point :/14:26
mlankhorstseb128: I've done the builds so if you can verify I'll upload both. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1639562/14:31
seb128mlankhorst, maybe just upload if it works for you, it will be easier to test for me once it's in proposed14:31
mlankhorstseb128: well you can test on a live installation too14:31
mlankhorstbut I don't know if you're hitting that bug or not14:32
seb128mlankhorst, I do when trying to boot the 12.04.2 iso in virtualbox from my raring14:32
mlankhorstanyhow if network works you could do some manual testing, I uploaded to my ppa too14:33
mlankhorsthttps://launchpad.net/~mlankhorst/+archive/ppa/+packages building atm14:33
siretarthm. i've been looking now for a while in the d-i sources, but I don't see the obvious solution: I need to copy stuff from my customized install cd to the target system just before apt-setup runs, but after /target has been mounted. what's the best way to implement this? is there a hook that I could preseed or something?14:38
siretartI've found partman/early_command, but that's quite a bit before /target is usable14:41
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plarsmlankhorst: your request to see if it happens on quantal too - was that pertaining to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1122072 ?14:44
ubottuUbuntu bug 1122072 in xorg (Ubuntu) "[Precise on VirtualBox] "Fatal server error: no screen found" in Xorg.0.log" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:44
mlankhorstplars: yes14:44
plarsmlankhorst: I can check that, but last I tried quantal it worked fine under virtualbox14:46
mlankhorstplars: testing the fix I put up on my ppa on precise-lts-quantal is fine too, i can verify the fix on real hardware for quantal14:47
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plars_mlankhorst: not sure how much of that you caught before my isp so rudely interrupted, but I'm digging up a quantal image to try it again real quick14:50
mlankhorst15:46 < plars> mlankhorst: I can check that, but last I tried quantal it worked fine under virtualbox14:50
mlankhorst15:47 < mlankhorst> plars: testing the fix I put up on my ppa on precise-lts-quantal is fine too, i can verify the fix on real hardware for quantal14:50
mlankhorst15:50 < plars_> mlankhorst: not sure how much of that you caught before my isp so rudely interrupted, but I'm digging up a quantal image to try it again real quick14:50
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plarsmlankhorst: yes, with quantal everything works fine14:54
plarsmlankhorst: to be specific, the host machine for all of these is quantal, booting a quantal image works fine, booting 12.04.1 works fine, 12.04.2 does not come up in X under live mode though14:54
mlankhorstcan you grab xorg-server from my ppa?14:55
mlankhorsthttps://launchpad.net/~mlankhorst/+archive/ppa/+packages seems to be done building14:55
geserpitti: aboudreault asked in #ubuntu-motu if postgresql-9.2 will be in raring and if not what's the reason14:58
pittigeser: the main reason is the Debian freeze15:01
pittigeser: we need to pick between 9.1 with lots of packaged extensions15:01
pittigeser: or 9.2 with no packaged extensions at all15:01
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pittigeser: and I think we are better off with 9.1 for now15:01
pittigeser: 9.2 is in my PPA FYI15:01
geserpitti: thanks. will forward this to aboudreault15:02
xnoxpitti: is ubuntu up on apt.postgresql.org (or whatever is the name of the day for that archive?)15:02
pittixnox: yes, but only lucid and precise for now15:02
xnoxpitti: the only that matter =)15:02
pittiLTSes are the most common platform for db stuff anyway15:02
xnox(developers get cranky)15:02
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pittixnox: I can ask Christoph for more, but I don't think it's that useful15:02
pittiapt.postgresql.org is the grand culmination of my good old backports PPA, Debian backports, and Christoph's pgapt.debian.net, I'm really quite happy about it15:03
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sconklin@pilot in15:06
=== udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Ubuntu 12.10 released | Archive: Open | Dev' of Ubuntu (not support or app devel) | build failures -> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ | #ubuntu for support and discussion of hardy -> quantal | #ubuntu-app-devel for app development on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: xnox, sconklin
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plarsmlankhorst: ok, installed, what should I restart to try to make it come back?15:09
plarslightdm?15:09
mlankhorstyeah15:12
mlankhorstprobably it stopped and attempted to start failsafe-x15:12
mlankhorsti think 'start lightdm' would work though15:12
plarsmlankhorst: nope, still just end up at a black console15:14
mlankhorsterk15:14
mlankhorstlog?15:14
pittioh, I made it to http://lwn.net/ :)15:18
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plarsmlankhorst: looks to be about the same, but let me pastebinit15:31
alexbligh1Should userspace services modprobe -r (remove) kernel modules they use on service stop? This seems dangerous if other people might be using them. My specific problem is that openiscsi modprobe -r's the iscsi initatiator module during its init.d's 'stop', which is bad if other things are using it. I'm trying to work out why it does this or whether it's a straight bug.15:32
plarsmlankhorst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/163970915:33
mlankhorstplars: any quantal log too by any chance?15:37
xnoxwookey: doko: i guess db5.3 should also get the cross-building/bootstrapping fixes that are applied against db package15:39
infinityxnox: Yes.15:39
wookeyxnox: yes I assume it's much the same15:40
mitya57pitti: also you're on http://worldofgnome.org/continuous-integration-of-gnome-modules-on-the-top-of-jenkinscontinuous-builds/ (with a photo) :)15:40
pittiah, credit jibel, credit jibel!15:40
* xnox is cross-patch-piloting15:41
pittimitya57: added a comment, thanks15:42
xnoxpitti: You are famous now =)15:42
pittixnox: oh my, all these groupies!15:43
mitya57:)15:43
pittiseriously, I'm quite happy how well it has been taken already15:43
pittihughsie fixed the colord tests, I was looking into the two gst failures with tpm, and pwhitnall already fixed friends15:44
plarsmlankhorst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1639744/15:46
cjwatsonsiretart: The easiest solution is probably to write out (from preseed/early_command or partman/early_command; if the former then you'll need a mkdir -p as well) an executable hook in /lib/partman/finish.d/ starting with a two-digit number greater than 2015:48
cjwatsonSay, /lib/partman/finish.d/99create_some_files15:48
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mlankhorstplars: doesn't seem to detect the vesa bios at all for some reason15:50
stgraberdoko: you broke upstart!15:56
xnoxstgraber: how =) ?15:57
stgraberdoko: or to be precise, the new gcc causes one of the upstart tests to fail and cause a build hang ;)15:57
xnoxstgraber: so FSF broke upstart ;-)15:57
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ogra_xnox, fsf ?16:03
ogra_xnox, was doko renamed ?16:03
mlankhorstplars: any chance it could be a configuration issue? what if you set the precise iso as a quantal image, which would probably make sense since it's quantal kernel  + xserver16:03
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plarsmlankhorst: setting the precise iso as a quantal image? I'm not sure what you mean16:04
xnoxogra_: *giggle*16:05
plarsmlankhorst: I'm sure I'm pointing at the right image if that's what you mean16:05
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cjwatsonplars: How did you go about upgrading to mlankhorst's new server package?16:06
plarscjwatson: I added the repository and did apt-get update/dist-upgrade16:06
mlankhorstplars: I mean it would probably count as quantal from virtualbox's point of view16:08
plarsmlankhorst: I don't think virtualbox knows or cares16:08
mlankhorstwell my only guess is a kernel regression now16:09
cjwatsonmlankhorst: I was away for a while.  Have you had any positive reports regarding this virtualbox-related change?16:09
ogra_or oracles secret plan of undermining established linux dstros16:09
ogra_conspiracy !16:09
mlankhorstcjwatson: what I just said ^16:10
cjwatsonUh - I see your responses to plars; I was asking whether you'd had any positive responses as well as that negative one16:11
mlankhorstwell it fixes my connectorless setup, just not the issue here it seems16:13
plarspsivaa: any chance you can give that ppa a try again? just boot the image, add-apt-repository, update/dist-upgrade, and restart lightdm should do it16:13
psivaaplars: sorry i have already tried that and i get the same failure as yours16:13
plarsok16:13
plarsthanks for confirming16:13
psivaaplars: yw, sorry dint do it before since it was the same outcome :)16:14
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cjwatsonOK, so it sounds like the answer here is a release note16:18
mlankhorstI suspect it's a bug somewhere else though16:20
mlankhorstcjwatson: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785652 ?16:39
ubottubugzilla.redhat.com bug 785652 in xorg-x11-drv-vesa "Xserver does not start in virtualbox" [Unspecified,Closed: errata]16:39
tjaaltonlibpciaccess-lol-dev-port.patch :)16:41
mlankhorstsounds good16:41
mlankhorstI'll throw up a libpciaccess in a bit, food first16:41
mlankhorstcan I sru the xorg-server headless fix too then in that case?16:42
cjwatsonSure, but I'm only going to take the libpciaccess one for .2, unless you have a very good argument to the contrary16:43
mlankhorstsame failure mode under different conditions :)16:45
mlankhorstbbiab16:46
cjwatsonWell, sure; but the conditions for the libpciaccess one are only marginally a .2 blocker as it is16:47
cjwatsonCan you describe the conditions for the other fix in detail?16:47
cjwatsonI have <2 days until I need to release 12.04.2, so I want to have a good reason for any risk16:48
cjwatsonAnd avoid burning out testers16:48
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happyaronjbicha: unfortunately ibus-table seems to need a revert.16:54
happyaronjbicha: I'll wait for a few days to see what's upstream's reaction, if there is patch then all good.16:54
jbichahappyaron: ok, thanks!16:55
SpamapSdefinitely something broken in newer google chrome. It just sits there.. :-P17:05
mlankhorstcjwatson: it's just when no outputs are found, for example when you disconnected all monitors, the cd will fail to boot whereas 12.04.1 lts works, but sure it can wait I suppose17:05
fishor_hallo all, are there any reason why libapt do not use openssl? I just wundered why http porcess takes ~30% of my intel i5-3317. Perf shows this result:17:08
fishor_ 14,81%  http  libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0  [.] SHA512_Transform(_SHA512_CTX*, unsigned long const*)                                        ▒17:09
fishor_  8,11%  http  libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0  [.] SHA1Transform(unsigned int*, unsigned char const*)                                          ▒17:09
fishor_  5,62%  http  libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0  [.] MD5Transform(unsigned int*, unsigned int const*)17:09
Sarvattplars: can you test https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/sru7/ out?17:09
plarsSarvatt: sure, one moment17:09
cjwatsonmlankhorst: OK - it's certainly a bug and should be fixed for .3, but it's not a blocker for .2 so I'm not going to risk it17:10
mlankhorstok sure17:10
* cjwatson <- conservative today17:10
Sarvatt2 hours to build, ugh17:10
fishor_this funktions in libapt do not have any optimisation. beside  current openssl has avx optimisation for this hashes17:10
mlankhorstSarvatt: copying to my ppa17:10
mlankhorstI have a build bump there17:10
* Sarvatt should have urgency=critical'ed it :)17:11
cjwatsonfishor_: The apt developers are on #debian-apt on irc.oftc.net; or you could file a bug17:11
fishor_cjwatson, ok thx17:11
mlankhorstSarvatt: building now ;P17:11
mlankhorsthttps://launchpad.net/~mlankhorst/+archive/ppa/+packages17:11
cjwatsonfishor_: There are probably licensing difficulties with using OpenSSL17:11
cjwatsonfishor_: APT is GPLed and the OpenSSL licence is incompatible with that17:12
plarsSarvatt: I'm watching the ppa from mlankhorst and will pull it in from there as soon as that finishes17:16
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mlankhorstit fails to build17:16
plarsdoh17:16
dokoxnox, maybe, I think we don't use it yet17:20
xnoxdoko: you respond right about when it's almost finished building here and passing sanity checks before an upload =)17:21
xnoxdoko: i'll upload anyway, but good to know it's not on the critical path.17:21
cjwatsonmlankhorst: your build-dependencies are weak, old man :)17:22
mlankhorstthat's why it was going to a ppa first!17:23
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coder2where can i get the WebKit reference manual for python? developing a debian browser17:53
ogra_coder2, see /topic17:54
ogra_coder2, better try #ubuntu-app-devel17:54
SweetsharkHmm, some libreoffice infra shouts at me that I should install pittis postgresql updates. Should i trust them?17:54
coder2ogra_, okay sorry thanks17:54
* ogra_ hands Sweetshark http://www.pctips.in/2013/02/installing-open-office-in-ubuntu.html and runs17:55
barrydobey: hey there.  had any time to look at the code?  anything i can do?17:56
* Sweetshark slowly forms foam around the mouth ...17:59
Sweetshark*grrrr*17:59
sarnoldwow, it's amazing what people will publish as "tips"17:59
* ogra_ giggles17:59
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siretartcjwatson: ah, that sounds promising. I've now installed a copy script to /usr/lib/base-installer.d, which *seems* to work as well.18:01
siretartcjwatson: I had hoped that something like partman/late_command or something existed18:01
plarsmlankhorst, Sarvatt: seems to work with the updated libpciaccess0 now :)18:01
mlankhorstyay18:07
roadmr\o/18:07
cjwatsonsiretart: base-installer.d should work too, yes.  And no, afraid not.18:15
cjwatsonmlankhorst: precise-proposed upload on its way I hope? :)18:16
mlankhorstI can't upload, and it was sarvatt who did the packaging :-)18:18
cjwatsonSarvatt: ^-18:18
cjwatson(12.04.2 blocker so I'd like it ASAP)18:18
mlankhorsthe can't upload either )18:19
* ogra_ points mlankhorst to rge patch pilots ;)18:20
ogra_*the18:20
xnox@pilot out18:20
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mlankhorsthahahahaha18:20
ogra_LOL18:20
* xnox off to volleyball18:20
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cjwatsonsigh, ok, give me the source package and I can sponsor/review it18:20
cjwatsonwould be better if somebody else sponsored it, but ...18:21
siretartcjwatson: either way, it seems to have worked for me. thanks for your assistance!18:21
barryLaney: ping18:22
mlankhorstcjwatson: tjaalton is sponsoring :)18:23
Laneysup barry18:23
barryLaney: hi.  i'm looking at a couple of things in sessioninstaller.  bug 108406118:24
ubottubug 1084061 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) "Port to GStreamer 1.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108406118:24
barryLaney: looks like that your mp just got landed in trunk right?18:24
Laneyyep18:24
barryoh, about 2hrs ago?!18:24
Laneysomething like that, correct18:25
barryLaney: so the non-ubuntu bug task could be fix committed then?18:25
Laneyright18:25
LaneyI'll cherry-pick it into raring tomorrow most likely18:25
barryLaney: perfect.  will you drop the depends on python-gst0.10 then?18:26
Laneyfor sure18:26
barryfantastic.  that should drop the ubuntu-desktop task from python-gst0.10 i think18:26
barryLaney: since i think si was the last dep18:26
barry*rdep18:26
tjaaltoncjwatson: uploaded18:27
barryLaney: that makes me very happy :)18:27
* Laney does $ reverse-depends -c main src:gst0.10-python18:27
Laneythat and pitivi which is kept in main by the weird usb seed18:28
Laney(but isn't on any media)18:28
barryLaney: yep18:28
barryonce again, xapian is the last thing to stop a py3 port :/18:31
cjwatsonSarvatt: You decided we didn't need the cloexec patch linked from the bug description?18:34
cjwatsonSarvatt: I guess there was already a leak before ...18:35
cjwatsonOK, accepted18:36
cjwatsonplars: Which architecture would be most convenient for QAing the package in the archive with a custom image build?18:37
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plarscjwatson: is it something I can test in a vm? if so, amd64 or i386 - doesn't matter18:51
dobeybarry: hey. i think the upstream code is wrong in sign(). i need to look at the spec again now though18:54
cjwatsonplars: Weren't you already testing in virtualbox?18:55
plarscjwatson: I was, so if this is about the libpciaccess fix then? I tested the one in the ppa and would be happy to test both images as soon as they are available18:57
cjwatsonThis is the libpciaccess fix18:58
cjwatsonOK, I need to go out now but when I get back (couple of hours) I'll build a one-off i386 image and pass it to you for testing, if that's OK18:58
barrydobey: interesting.  if you file a bug upstream, let me know so i can follow it18:58
cjwatsonI think we only need one arch18:59
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dobeybarry: ok, so the oauthlib api is really weird, trying to read the code and actually understand it is incredibly hard, and i'm tired of dealing with this so i gave it a +1 as it seems to be the only way to make it work right, because the api and code are just weird there20:05
barrydobey: ack.  could you file a bug upstream?  if not that's okay, but i probably can't express exactly what's weird about it in a bug description20:17
dobeybarry: well, i'm not sure i would be good at expressing it either unfortunately. and i really don't want to waste any more time on it right now. too many other things i need to get done, and no time to do them :(20:23
* barry nods :(20:23
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tziOmI dont understand how you guys can keep kernels that panics in 12.10 w/o updating21:31
tziOm3.5.0 all versions available segfaults after 30 minutes with exim/spamass/clamav21:31
tziOmafter some googleing, it seems you also KNOW ABOUT IT!21:32
penguin42tziOm: Help in #ubuntu, kernel in #ubuntu-kernel, if there's a bug report you're referencing please at least say the number21:37
tziOmfor example this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/108105421:39
ubottuUbuntu bug 1081054 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "Kernel panic running latest ubuntu 12.10 kernel version (3.5.0-17-generic) under xen." [Medium,Fix released]21:39
penguin42tziOm: It's been fixed - what's your problem?21:40
tziOmIts not that one21:40
tziOmanyway, fixed with 3.8.0rc721:41
* penguin42 fails to read your mind as to what problem you're referring to21:41
tziOmtried all 3.5.0 releases before I did 3.821:42
penguin42tziOm: If you've got a panic file a bug; if you look at the example you gave that bug was fixed!21:42
stokachuin precise could we essentially symlink /proc/mounts to /etc/mtab and disable writing of mtab  within mount/unmount?21:47
stokachuwe are seeing an issue where mtab is leaving behind a stale mtab~ file during unmounts via automounter21:47
hallynjdstrand: on bug 1101978 (spice MIR), the version now in raring addresses the warning (synced in debian, and pushed upstream).  Does MIR team await another comment from you?21:47
ubottubug 1101978 in spice (Ubuntu) "[MIR] spice" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110197821:47
stokachuthis is of course on a system that contains 14k automounts :\21:47
jdstrandhallyn: I'll add another and mark  fix committed then21:50
stokachuas per the documentation for mount this seems feasible but not sure of any other side effects then the one about 'user' option not working21:50
hallynjdstrand: thanks!21:51
jdstrandhallyn: can you ping me when you adjust your build-deps then I'll adjust the overrides21:52
hallynjdstrand: you mean in qemu?21:52
jdstrandhallyn: yeah. by doing that and uploading, you'll need spice to be moved for it to build21:53
hallynjdstrand: will do, thanks.21:53
hallyn(will ping you when i push that, that is)21:53
slangasekGunnarHj: hey, sorry for the mid-air collision on the lightdm branches.  I'll have a look at your gdm branch today22:29
GunnarHjslangasek: Hi Steve, that MP is identical, so I guess you'll change it then.22:29
slangasekah, probably22:30
slangasekGunnarHj: do you see any problems with the solution I uploaded in lightdm?  I'm reasonably sure this does what we need, but I'm alert for the possibility that some other pam module could (wrongly) be relying on pam_env output22:31
GunnarHjslangasek: But if all the pam_env calls are at the end, then how about parsing /etc/default/locale, which of course needs to be done early?22:31
slangasekGunnarHj: why does it need to be done early?22:32
GunnarHjslangasek: To control the locale at startup and on the login screen.22:32
slangasekGunnarHj: I don't believe that comes from pam_env22:32
slangasekGunnarHj: pam_env's output is only exported to the process environment at the end of the stack - not in the middle22:33
slangaseksetting the locale in the pamh envlist doesn't affect the process locale at all22:33
slangasekmind you, I'm talking theory here22:34
GunnarHjslangasek: Hmm... You called my attention to PAM and /etc/default/locale in bug 1035498.22:35
ubottubug 1035498 in language-selector (Ubuntu Precise) "language-selector updates /etc/environment when it shouldn't, and gives results that are inconsistent with an initial install" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103549822:35
GunnarHjslangasek: But I can test with your lightdm upload.22:36
dobeystgraber: ping22:42
stgraberdobey: pong22:42
dobeystgraber: hey, maybe my timing just sucks. but i sent a mail to devel-permissions a week ago, and haven't seen any reply, and the request hasn't been completed. not sure what i should do (or who i should bug exactly at the moment, given the DMB is changing)22:43
stgraberdobey: is that about software-center?22:43
dobeystgraber: yes, that one22:43
stgraberright, so in short we don't feel like software-center really makes sense under the ubuntuone package set or even under the ubuntuone project on LP (but we can't do much about that one)22:44
stgraberso we need to either create a separate set or rename and change the description of the ubuntuone packageset22:44
ScottKSeems to me like a completely different thing.22:45
stgraberso that's why it's been taking a bit more time than the last few packages :)22:45
GunnarHjslangasek: Logging out to reboot.22:45
robert_ancellslangasek, wont the change to lightdm in bug 952185 cause login prompts to be untranslated?22:45
ubottubug 952185 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "~/.pam_environment not parsed by default" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95218522:45
stgraberScottK: yeah, it's a case where it's the same team maintaining both now, but based on discussion without the DMB, that doesn't justify the addition22:46
slangasekrobert_ancell: I'm aware of no reason that should be true22:46
ScottKstgraber: We don't have maintainers in Ubuntu.22:46
slangasekrobert_ancell: there is *nothing* between the invocation of pam_env and the invocation of the other pam auth modules that would push these env variables to the environment22:46
stgraberdobey: if you want to resolve the problem quickly, I'd recommend you ask for PPU for this package on devel-permissions22:46
stgraberdobey: we now have a lightweight PPU process where people with existing PPU can be granted additional upload rights without showing up at a meeting22:47
dobeyhmm, ok22:47
stgraberdobey: and I think in this case, it'd make sense for us to grant you those upload rights directly while we figure out what to do with the set22:47
dobeyi don't think a separate set or renaming the u1 set is the answer22:49
stgraberwell, I think you'll have an hard time convincing anyone that software-center is part of UbuntuOne so simply including it isn't the answer either :)22:51
robert_ancellslangasek, is what you mean that the pam_putenv () calls from pam_env isn't going to affect the gettext calls in the other modules anyway? Which looking into seems to be the case22:53
slangasekrobert_ancell: correct.  It's only once the application does the for i in pam_getenvlist: putenv(i) that these get exported22:53
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dobeystgraber: ok, well, sent PPU request then22:55
GunnarHjslangasek: I did some tests with lightdm, and the locale environment seems to be set properly. Apparently I was wrong.22:56
dobeystgraber: thanks. i guess we can revisit the packageset request in a couple weeks then22:57
slangasekrobert_ancell: so I'm double-checking in a VM now, but I believe we'll find that the only l10n of the login prompts is whatever is in /etc/default/locale, not per-user settings from .pam_environment; and the /etc/default/locale is being read by something other than pam_env.so22:57
slangasekGunnarHj: great, thanks for confirming22:57
robert_ancellslangasek, yes, I'd expect that to22:57
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cjwatsonplars: If you're still around, please could you test that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/custom/20130212/precise-desktop-i386.iso works in virtualbox?23:22
cjwatson(temporary link)23:22
plarscjwatson: will do, one moment23:22
hallynhm, odd, do-release-upgrade from quantal to raring hung on memtest86+.post (task became defunct)23:54
plarscjwatson: my connection bounced it seems, so if you replied, I didn't get it23:56
slangasekhallyn: do you have any lvm snapshots currently open?23:57
cjwatsonplars: Last I saw from you was "will do, one moment", which didn't seem to require a response :)23:58
hallynslangasek: open as in mounted? no.23:58
slangasekhallyn: open as in existent23:58
hallynyeah probably23:58
hallynyeah, 323:58
slangasekhallyn: reproducible here23:58
hallynfeh23:58
plarscjwatson: ah ok... it must have started having problems a long time ago then, here's the rest:23:58
plars<plars> cjwatson: well, it got me at least to the screen asking if I wanted to try ubuntu or install, then when I selected to try ubuntu it took me to a dialog saying "The system is running in low-graphics mode"23:58
plars<plars> if I press ok there it asks if I want to run in low graphics mode for just one session, reconfigure graphics, troubleshoot the error, or exit to console login23:58
hallynslangasek: is there an open bug about that?23:58
slangasekhallyn: I haven't filed a bug report; can you do one?23:58
hallynwill do23:58
slangasekhallyn: I'm almost positive it's the snapshots causing it, because the two symptoms I had were 1) memtest postinst breaking in os-prober, 2) couldn't end my schroot sessions because of 'device busy'23:59

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