| danieru_ | wait, if this channel was created 1.3 years ago is that about when the ubuntu phone project started? | 02:14 |
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| danieru_ | As 12.10 does not work with my netbook I am on 12.04, does ubuntu phone development environment work on 12.04 | 02:17 |
| danieru_ | ? | 02:17 |
| nOStahl | not sure | 02:23 |
| nOStahl | why does 12.10 not work | 02:23 |
| nOStahl | it works on my eee pc 901 perfectly | 02:24 |
| danieru_ | I am not sure. It is a aspire one D270 | 02:25 |
| danieru_ | I tried 12.10 and it got through live cd fine but black screened after install | 02:25 |
| danieru_ | My desktop and laptop have 12.10 though | 02:25 |
| danieru_ | but I use the netbook for class | 02:25 |
| nOStahl | simple fix | 02:25 |
| nOStahl | google black screen | 02:26 |
| nOStahl | ubuntu 12.10 blackscreen boot | 02:26 |
| danieru_ | is it a common issue? | 02:26 |
| nOStahl | nope | 02:26 |
| danieru_ | I don't remember finding anything helpful back when I was troubleshooting | 02:26 |
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| DanielDressler | I do have qt-components-ubuntu installed which depends on qt5 which is also installed, but I cannot find the qmlscene binary | 02:57 |
| DanielDressler | Any ideas? | 02:57 |
| DanielDressler | ah found it, find to the rescue. It was /usr/bin/qmlscene | 03:02 |
| DanielDressler | so either my install is odd but the tutorial uses /opt/qt5/bin/qmlscene | 03:04 |
| DanielDressler | awesome, the tutorial code is now working | 03:11 |
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| nOStahl | any news on if that welcome screen is coming to desktop ubuntu as well? | 14:20 |
| usererror | not heard anything on that topic yet myself | 14:21 |
| nOStahl | I'm real excited for this heh | 14:27 |
| usererror | yeah :) | 14:27 |
| k1l_ | any rumors on a nexus4 image? | 14:27 |
| usererror | none | 14:27 |
| usererror | there won't be until source is released | 14:28 |
| k1l_ | i hope the ubuntu-phone guys are not still in backorder-limbo :) | 14:28 |
| usererror | then there will be plenty of people porting it to everything under the sun | 14:28 |
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| nOStahl | any word on when they will do ubuntu for tablets ? | 14:30 |
| usererror | out of the many questions I have, the most immediate one is, will the images be for the international Galaxy Nexus only? Or the GSM versions only? Or all? Because I have a Toro (VZW), and it'd be nice to know if I'll be waiting for images or if it'll be included in the initial release... | 14:56 |
| usererror | but I'm sure I'll find out soon enough? | 14:57 |
| ryansipes | usererror: I asked the same question, initially the image will be released for the GSM Galaxy Nexus | 15:09 |
| ryansipes | usererror: However, there appears to be much interest to port it to the other GN models, and after the image and source code are released this effort can begin. | 15:10 |
| usererror | :) ty ryansipes.. that is what I figured would happen, but it is good to know for sure | 15:13 |
| ryansipes | usererror: The response I got on the mailing list was: "The GSM model is the only one being targeted right now. The OS may run on the other models, but it wouldn't be able to use the phone or 3G/4G data functionality. | 15:13 |
| ryansipes | usererror: So if it isn't your primary phone you could still play with it possibly. Haha. | 15:13 |
| usererror | fun lol | 15:14 |
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| ryansipes | Yeah, using a phone without the "phone" functionality doesn't seem all that enticing. | 15:16 |
| ryansipes | But if you just want to test your app or something it might not be all that bad. | 15:16 |
| ryansipes | And I'm sure it will only be a short time before someone ports the image to another phone, considering Ubuntu Phone OS can allegedly use Android drivers. | 15:17 |
| popey | thats what we're hoping ☺ | 15:19 |
| popey | s/allegedly// | 15:19 |
| wastrel | i have a galaxy nexus ♥ | 15:19 |
| ryansipes | popey: That is exciting if it can use them with relative ease. I know many people who have older Android phones, and I bet Ubuntu Phone could breathe new life into them. | 15:21 |
| ravirdv_ | having it on N9 would be great! | 15:22 |
| popey | I have no idea which phones would be capable of running it, that's what the community and people like xda-developers are for, they know this stuff ;) | 15:23 |
| ryansipes | popey: Yeah, I just figure without the java element thrown in there (as with Android), it will be able to run on phones with less capable hardware. | 15:25 |
| ryansipes | popey: Because it won't have to bother with the virtual machine that Android does. | 15:26 |
| ryansipes | ravirdv_: Yeah, I'm sure a lot of N9 owners would appreciate that. | 15:27 |
| ryansipes | ravirdv_: The N9's specs aren't that bad, it's not dual core like the Galaxy Nexus but it has the same amount of RAM | 15:28 |
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| nOStahl | wish I could install ubuntu for phone on my iPhone 5 | 15:59 |
| ubuntubhoy | LOL - no chance of that | 15:59 |
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| nOStahl | it'd sure be nice | 16:04 |
| larsgk | mhall119: hi | 16:53 |
| mhall119 | hi larsgk | 16:53 |
| larsgk | mhall119: I have been a bit behind on things as I just had a new baby. I'm a bit uncertain on if we are already digging in code - or the designers need to do some polishing (or we are the designers)? | 16:54 |
| * larsgk I am Lars Knudsen, on the RSS Feeder app | 16:55 | |
| mhall119 | larsgk: the designs were done on Balsamiq, we haven't started coding yet, but would like to start on that soon | 16:55 |
| mhall119 | I just pushed new bzr branches to each of the projects with an updated template | 16:55 |
| DanielDressler | has the ubuntu phone sdk changed at all? I installed it last night from the instructions on 12.04 but my qmlscene is in a different directory vs the tutorial. Find found two qmlscenes in /usr/bin/qmlscene | 16:55 |
| DanielDressler | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene | 16:55 |
| mhall119 | DanielDressler: yes, the switch from qt5-beta1 to qt5-proper PPA changed the install location, the tutorial hasn't been updated yet | 16:56 |
| larsgk | mhall119: ok - and when we start coding, do we then work in the master branch? (I did a small commit on a build error already - but don't know if you prefer things in a separate branch) | 16:56 |
| DanielDressler | is /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene the proper qt5 one? | 16:57 |
| mhall119 | larsgk: the process will be to push to a separate branch, and then create a merge proposal for it in Launchpad | 16:57 |
| mhall119 | DanielDressler: I think /usr/bin/qmlscene is the one you want, it will automatically pick the qt4 or qt5 version depending on your target qml | 16:57 |
| larsgk | the qt5-proper install screwed my 12.04/qt4 btw ;) .. and I am on a contract dependent on qt4.. oh well.. fixed it manually | 16:57 |
| DanielDressler | very nice. I have been using that one and it has been working but I thought that might just be by chance | 16:58 |
| mhall119 | larsgk: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide, specifically the sections "Using Bzr" and "Using Launchpad" | 16:58 |
| larsgk | mhall119: ok - I am new to launchpad/bzr - thanks for the links | 16:58 |
| mhall119 | larsgk: jppiiroi1en where should he file a bug about conflicts between qt4 and qt5? | 16:59 |
| mhall119 | larsgk: no problem, the whole page is all about developing these core apps, so worth reading before you get started | 16:59 |
| larsgk | mhall119: do we just do an update on the sdk package to get the pure QML2 version? | 17:00 |
| KevinWright | Hey ho Calendar App people! | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | larsgk: no, you'll need to do a new checkout of the project branch | 17:01 |
| larsgk | mhall119: ok | 17:01 |
| mhall119 | so bzr branch lp:ubuntu-rssreader-app ./new-template | 17:01 |
| larsgk | mhall119: thanks :) | 17:01 |
| rferrazz | KevinWright, i'm here! | 17:01 |
| mhall119 | but the new template is very nice, provides the top-tabs and bottom-toolbar for you, just like the phone demo shows | 17:01 |
| larsgk | mhall119: sounds good :) . o O (thanks Nokia - for the investment in Qt5/QML2) ;) | 17:02 |
| mhall119 | KevinWright: is there an agenda doc or anything for this meeting? | 17:04 |
| KevinWright | mhall119: blueprint only | 17:04 |
| KevinWright | mhall119: and nothing in it! | 17:04 |
| KevinWright | mhall119: we need to fill it up | 17:04 |
| mhall119 | that can be corrected :) | 17:04 |
| mhall119 | links for those interested in following along: | 17:05 |
| mhall119 | wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/Calendar | 17:05 |
| mhall119 | Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+spec/initial-calendar-development | 17:05 |
| KevinWright | are Aleksandr, frank, Steven, Kunal, Mario B., or Mario Z. here? | 17:07 |
| KevinWright | frank == frank | 17:07 |
| * mariob is here | 17:07 | |
| KevinWright | mariob: hey! | 17:07 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Hi | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | hey mariob | 17:07 |
| mariob | mhall119: Hi | 17:07 |
| KevinWright | mhall119: thanks for pasting those links | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | np | 17:08 |
| KevinWright | mariob, mhall119: let's wait a moment. maybe it will be a small and short chat | 17:08 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: Hi | 17:08 |
| mariob | KevinWright: np | 17:09 |
| KevinWright | sunil_: hi there | 17:09 |
| mhall119 | frankencode are you here? | 17:09 |
| mariob | KevinWright: I'm not sure if you included Mario Z in the invitation mail | 17:09 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: did you have a chance to look at the resources? | 17:09 |
| KevinWright | mariob: maybe he was a later addition to the mailing list | 17:10 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Have browswd it quickly | 17:10 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: and have you been able to install the ubuntu-sdk + components? | 17:10 |
| mariob | no issues | 17:11 |
| KevinWright | mariob: excellent | 17:11 |
| sunil_ | yap. just got the update | 17:11 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: have you have a chance to go through the tutorial at developer.ubuntu.com? | 17:11 |
| mariob | But I hvan't checkout the new stuff mhall119 mailed out | 17:12 |
| sunil_ | yes | 17:12 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Yes | 17:12 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: awesome | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | mariob: it's simplified version of what's in the tutorial | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | just run "qmlscene calendar.qml" | 17:12 |
| mariob | mhall119: ok | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | you should also be able to open the .qmlproject in QtCreator and run it from there | 17:13 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: so in the wiki link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/Calendar there should be a rough sketch of the plan | 17:13 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: but we need to fill in more detail | 17:14 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: and make some work items | 17:14 |
| mariob | KevinWright: sure | 17:14 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: let me check the plan | 17:14 |
| KevinWright | sunil_: np take your time | 17:14 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: so we should validate the user stories, functionality etc. | 17:14 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: it does not need to be perfect of course | 17:15 |
| frankencode | mhall119: yes | 17:15 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: we can add/update anytime | 17:15 |
| mhall119 | frankencode: ah, good, calendar meeting time :) | 17:15 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright:okey | 17:15 |
| KevinWright | hey frankencode | 17:15 |
| frankencode | hey | 17:15 |
| KevinWright | frankencode did you catch the earlier part of the discussion? | 17:15 |
| KevinWright | we didn't get so far into it yet | 17:16 |
| frankencode | i'm scanning it | 17:16 |
| KevinWright | frankencode, np | 17:16 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: anything you can think of to add to the functionality or use cases in the wiki | 17:16 |
| frankencode | i had an issue with the code template for the apps to work with qt5 on 13.04 | 17:16 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: or just thoughts off the top of your head | 17:16 |
| KevinWright | frankencode: what was the issue | 17:17 |
| mhall119 | frankencode: there's a new code template, just pushed this morning | 17:17 |
| larsgk | q: what is the difference between qt5-proper and Qt5.0.x from Troll...Nok..Digia? | 17:17 |
| mhall119 | jppiiroi1en: Mirv: ^^ can either of you answer that? | 17:18 |
| frankencode | the hack with setting the app name went infunctional | 17:18 |
| KevinWright | mhall119: do we have designs for mariob, sunil_, frankencode | 17:18 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright:okey, will send them to you | 17:18 |
| frankencode | rootObject() vs rootItem() i think | 17:18 |
| KevinWright | sunil_ or you can mention them here | 17:18 |
| mhall119 | KevinWright: only the Balsamiq ones linked to from the wiki | 17:18 |
| KevinWright | mhall119: better than nothing! | 17:18 |
| frankencode | there are some good use cases on myalsamiq | 17:18 |
| frankencode | i looked at it yesterday | 17:19 |
| mhall119 | frankencode: the new template is 100% QML | 17:19 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: are we targeting specfically for Phones. | 17:19 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: should we write up the use cases based on what is in balsamiq | 17:19 |
| frankencode | real artists need a white sheet of paper;) | 17:19 |
| KevinWright | sunil_ yes | 17:19 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: okey | 17:19 |
| mariob | KevinWright: sure | 17:20 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: is the calender will be online or offline only | 17:20 |
| frankencode | i heard the strategy is to go feature phone first | 17:20 |
| mariob | KevinWright: but there's already a couple of stories on the wiki, right? | 17:20 |
| frankencode | not sure if it holds true | 17:20 |
| KevinWright | sunil_ at least offline, also online would be nice | 17:20 |
| KevinWright | mariob: yes I wrote those up...they are not set in stone | 17:21 |
| mhall119 | frankencode: the feature phone requirements are a subset of the smartphone requirements, so it makes sense we'll have it first | 17:21 |
| KevinWright | mariob: but if they are good enough then that is fine | 17:21 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: means only with U1 not XChange or GCal | 17:21 |
| mariob | KevinWright: no, but their a good starting point | 17:21 |
| frankencode | mhall119: that's what i was thinking | 17:21 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: I suspect supporting U1 should be must have if we can also do online | 17:22 |
| frankencode | U1? | 17:22 |
| mhall119 | Ubuntu One | 17:22 |
| mhall119 | our cloud-syncing service | 17:22 |
| frankencode | ahh | 17:22 |
| frankencode | clear | 17:22 |
| frankencode | is it xml or json, api wise? | 17:23 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: okey | 17:23 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode but I think the first stage is to get a local app | 17:23 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: agree | 17:23 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Should we use QOrganizer? That would make it transparent w/ plugins, right? | 17:23 |
| mhall119 | frankencode: I'm not sure, but the info should be here: https://one.ubuntu.com/developer/ | 17:23 |
| frankencode | ok | 17:23 |
| mariob | KevinWright: sorry, QtOrganizer from the mobility project | 17:24 |
| KevinWright | mariob: Yep I knew what you meant | 17:24 |
| KevinWright | mariob: although I'm not familiar with the whol API | 17:24 |
| KevinWright | whole | 17:24 |
| frankencode | sunil_, mariob: i experimented already with the month view | 17:24 |
| mariob | KevinWright: There's already QML bindings etc | 17:25 |
| KevinWright | frankencode: is it easy to work with? | 17:25 |
| frankencode | tried a nice flicking with month-wise snapping, but figured it feels crappy... | 17:25 |
| KevinWright | mariob: that's what we need | 17:25 |
| frankencode | KevinWright: easy to work with what? | 17:26 |
| jppiiroi1en | mhall119: larsgk: packaging at least | 17:26 |
| KevinWright | frankencode: sorry I might have misunderstood what you said earlier | 17:26 |
| larsgk | mariob: about the stuff from mobility ... in what state is it? | 17:27 |
| KevinWright | frankencode: ignoer my commment | 17:27 |
| KevinWright | ignore | 17:27 |
| larsgk | mariob: it was my impression that the mobility stuff was not exactly on par with core qt | 17:27 |
| mariob | larsgk: Not sure, maybe we can check w/ digia | 17:27 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: so what are some of the first steps we need | 17:27 |
| mariob | larsgk: Not all of the modules | 17:27 |
| sunil_ | i suggest we start from goundup make it simple to use. then existing onces | 17:28 |
| frankencode | i tried qtpim, but couldn't make it compile with qt5;) | 17:28 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: any extra information needed at this stage or just start to make work items? | 17:28 |
| larsgk | mariob: ok .. because I remember some that were not that ...great ;) .. but it could be that the organizer is (didn't work with that one) | 17:28 |
| mhall119 | +1 to sunil_'s idea, start simple just to get started | 17:28 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: designer input ! | 17:28 |
| mariob | larsgk: But I'm sure they better than starting from scratch :) | 17:29 |
| KevinWright | sunil_ +1 | 17:29 |
| mariob | KevinWright: I'd go for creating the UI | 17:29 |
| frankencode | i'm on go, too | 17:29 |
| larsgk | mariob: ;) | 17:29 |
| mhall119 | sunil_: anything specific you want from the designers? | 17:29 |
| frankencode | my next work item, is to try another month view, look at the balsamiq input | 17:30 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: so someone want to take care of another view? | 17:30 |
| DanielDressler | I'm filling out the contributer aggreement and it is asking for "Canonical Project Manager or contact". Who should i put there? | 17:30 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_: day? week? view | 17:31 |
| mhall119 | DanielDressler: put Kevin Wright | 17:31 |
| DanielDressler | mhall119: thank you | 17:31 |
| mhall119 | np | 17:31 |
| mariob | KevinWright: I can take a look at the day view | 17:31 |
| KevinWright | mariob: OK | 17:31 |
| KevinWright | sunil_ you OK with day view? | 17:31 |
| sunil_ | yes. actually if rather we start by coding . if we get designer to guide us then the day/week/month views will be uniform. just a suggestion | 17:32 |
| sunil_ | sure | 17:32 |
| sunil_ | day_view is okey with me | 17:32 |
| frankencode | i tried already to get the month view in ubuntu shapes | 17:32 |
| frankencode | but it looks cluttered | 17:33 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Should I do the edit view then since sunil_ is doing the day view? | 17:33 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: design input is of course needed but we can still work on the models for each view | 17:33 |
| frankencode | ultimatly i think the design will look not much different than a calendar on the wall | 17:33 |
| KevinWright | mariob: whoops | 17:33 |
| frankencode | of course in full ubuntu fidelity | 17:33 |
| mariob | KevinWright: np for me | 17:33 |
| KevinWright | mariob: sorry my mistake I should have said week to sunil_ | 17:33 |
| sunil_ | either one is fine with me | 17:34 |
| mariob | KevinWright: I can take Week since I like Week view :) | 17:34 |
| frankencode | mariob, sunil_: you are more into c++ or qml/js? | 17:34 |
| KevinWright | mariob: sure that sounds good, sorry for that mistake :) | 17:34 |
| j-b | Can we develop totally natively or do we need qml? | 17:34 |
| sunil_ | mariob: you preference | 17:34 |
| DanielDressler | will ubuntu phone have something similar to android's intents? | 17:34 |
| mariob | frankencode: I like QML :) but I do C++ too | 17:34 |
| mariob | sunil_: Ok, I'll take the week view then :) | 17:34 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: we want to encourage a very QML centric approach as much as possible | 17:34 |
| mhall119 | DanielDressler: not yet, no | 17:34 |
| sunil_ | lot of C++ and 1 year QML | 17:34 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: as in declarative heavy | 17:35 |
| frankencode | KevinWrigt: +1 | 17:35 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Lot's of QML last 2 years, less C++ | 17:35 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: is fun to work | 17:35 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: so push as much in that direction as possible | 17:35 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Sounds good | 17:35 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: Okey | 17:36 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: use C++ in a plugin if you need to | 17:36 |
| frankencode | mariob, sunil_: please ignore the exiting MonthModel.cpp, it's just an early prototype, i'm in rewrite today | 17:36 |
| DanielDressler | mhall119: is it on the roadmap. I ask because I am interested in the file manager since coming from android ever app goes and reimplements a file browser. If ubuntu phone will ship with a file browser by default then that could mean great propress vs the current android situation | 17:36 |
| DanielDressler | sorry I missed at least one '?' | 17:36 |
| mariob | KevinWright: That's why I though QtOrganizer would be good since it already have QML bindings, but it might be too heavy, not sure | 17:37 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: just one question. Is the UbuntuPhone Components only used .. or can use others? | 17:37 |
| mariob | KevinWright: But I can't say in what state the module is in Qt5 | 17:37 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: for the UI itself please use the Ubuntu components | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | DanielDressler: I don't know if it's on the roadmap yet | 17:38 |
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| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: but other available plugins we caan utilize for other functions | 17:38 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: if there is something missing from Ubuntu components for the UI don't be afraid to bring it up | 17:38 |
| wastrel | i did the currency converter tutorial what do i do next | 17:38 |
| sunil_ | mariob: i donot suggest qOrganizer as more desktop app look | 17:38 |
| KevinWright | mariob: I'm not sure either | 17:39 |
| KevinWright | mariob: we can and should check | 17:39 |
| mariob | sunil_: no not qOrganizer, but QtOrganizer, just an API: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility/qtorganizer.html | 17:39 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright : Okey. | 17:39 |
| KevinWright | mariob: could you take an action to check that API? | 17:40 |
| frankencode | sunil_, mariob: you can get the source for the ubuntu components from lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit | 17:40 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Sure, I can check how the QML bindings look like and maybe write a small example app | 17:40 |
| KevinWright | mariob: great! | 17:40 |
| sunil_ | mariob: oops. my bad | 17:40 |
| mariob | sunil_: np :) I also got lite confused when searching for the module | 17:41 |
| frankencode | i think to that ui-toolkit project we can also place feature requests | 17:41 |
| frankencode | ultimatly a date picker will be needed there... | 17:41 |
| sunil_ | frankencode: yes | 17:42 |
| mariob | frankencode: That could actually be as simple as WP or BB10 do it, List view with three columns :) | 17:42 |
| frankencode | qtorganizer: oh, that's a fat api already | 17:42 |
| larsgk | mariob: didn't all things 'mobility' sortof got put on the shelf when they closed down brisbane? | 17:43 |
| mariob | Yep, but it supports everything you need for PIM :) | 17:43 |
| frankencode | mariob: yea, have get that bb10 sim back running again | 17:43 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: somewhat yes | 17:43 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: but for some modules it is only temporary | 17:44 |
| mariob | larsgk: The question is if we should maintain the module or start developing one ourself... | 17:44 |
| frankencode | larsgk: there are still some ex trolls working on mobility for bb10 here in munich | 17:44 |
| frankencode | difficult to kill qt;) | 17:44 |
| larsgk | frankencode: cool :) ... I failed to deliver an app within the timeframe... stuck with the dev device (cool though) | 17:44 |
| KevinWright | frankencode: it is indeed | 17:44 |
| mariob | larsgk: KevinWright frankencode and I'd be supprised if Jolla doesn't use it... | 17:45 |
| frankencode | i surely will have a look at it | 17:45 |
| larsgk | frankencode: Qt is excellent - using it for all current projects .. qtmobility not so much | 17:45 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode should we wrap up the official part of the meeting? I think we have a good start | 17:45 |
| mariob | larsgk: qtmobility didn't get the love it deserved :) | 17:45 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Yes | 17:46 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: feel free to continue talking of course | 17:46 |
| sunil_ | larsgk: can't agree more... Qt is great ..but .. qtmobility is not | 17:46 |
| mariob | KevinWright, sunil_ , larsgk , frankencode I have to leave but I'll take a look at the QtOrganizer stuff and see if it works w/ Qt5 and create a small example app | 17:47 |
| larsgk | sunil_: mariob: I especially love the plugin framework - like with qtsensors (soon to come back, I hope) | 17:47 |
| KevinWright | mariob: thanks and talk to you soon! | 17:47 |
| mariob | larsgk: Yes, Qt made by devs for devs :) | 17:47 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: sure. will update the progress on day_view soon | 17:47 |
| mariob | KevinWright: Thanks bye | 17:47 |
| larsgk | sunil_: again - thanking Nokia for investing in Qt5 .. I really hope it manages to stay as open under Digia | 17:48 |
| frankencode | KevinWright: cu, thx | 17:48 |
| KevinWright | mariob, sunil_, frankencode: thanks all! | 17:48 |
| larsgk | KevinWright and all: thanks for now | 17:48 |
| sunil_ | KevinWright: thanks. bye | 17:49 |
| larsgk | :) | 17:49 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: and thanks to you too | 17:49 |
| larsgk | ;) | 17:49 |
| sunil_ | larsgk: i feel nokia dragged Qt to 5 years back ... just by putting name with it | 17:50 |
| frals | hmm, been browsing through the docs a bit from a dev perspective.. is there any system diagram that shows all the components that are suppose to be in the os? | 17:50 |
| sunil_ | frals: searching for the same too. | 17:51 |
| KevinWright | frals: the UI components? or other app dev support? | 17:51 |
| j-b | frals: same here. | 17:51 |
| j-b | And what we are allowed to use and not as a dev | 17:51 |
| sunil_ | UI components. | 17:51 |
| frals | KevinWright: everything except UI components, more or less, which libs are available and stuff like that | 17:51 |
| j-b | Yep. Anything not Qt related | 17:52 |
| frals | yeah | 17:52 |
| j-b | Can I use libc? glib? PA? OpenGL? Xv? xcb? D-Bus? | 17:53 |
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| larsgk | sunil_: actuall - Nokia made sure Qt got ready for mobile | 17:55 |
| larsgk | sunil_: don't know if you worked there? | 17:55 |
| frals | larsgk: guess theres quite a few ex-nokians here ;) | 17:56 |
| KevinWright | larsgk, sunil_: Nokia also make Qt more open that it was before under Trolltech | 17:56 |
| sunil_ | larsgk: m not ex-nokian. | 17:56 |
| larsgk | sunil_: correcting myself... Nokia made sure (with money and pressure - to put on actual phones) that Qt got ready for mobile | 17:56 |
| daliusd | Hi | 17:56 |
| KevinWright | daliusd: hey there | 17:57 |
| larsgk | sunil_: Personally, I am in this to do my part for Ubuntu Phone to become what Nokia failed to continue | 17:57 |
| j-b | frals: is you ever find this info, can you ping me ? :) | 17:57 |
| frals | j-b: sure | 17:59 |
| j-b | frals: thx | 17:59 |
| sunil_ | for me Canonical helped Qt more then Nokia by using it in day-to-day products .. not some prototypes. Anyway that is just me. | 17:59 |
| frankencode | larsgk: i think there is no choice, some open linux distro has to make it into the future, where there will be mobile computing devices only | 17:59 |
| sunil_ | larsgk: appreciate it. | 18:00 |
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| frals | KevinWright: i assume the clock app intro meeting-thingy will be in this chan since you didnt mention any other info in the mail, right? :) | 18:01 |
| daliusd | sunil_: Qt is used on Symbian and MeeGo devices daily as well ;-) | 18:01 |
| daliusd | Yep time for meeting | 18:01 |
| kuifei | clock app things is expected here? | 18:01 |
| KevinWright | frals: my email was confusing | 18:01 |
| frals | kuifei: i think so :) | 18:02 |
| sunil_ | larsgk KevinWright: Thanks guys. See you soon again. Bye | 18:03 |
| larsgk | sunil_: thanks - ttyl | 18:03 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei are here for the clock app because of a mistake I made | 18:03 |
| daliusd | KevinWright, and I'm here for calc app :) | 18:04 |
| KevinWright | and daliusd, rferraz for calculator | 18:04 |
| larsgk | any RSS Feed Reader app guys here? | 18:04 |
| KevinWright | I double booked, yikes :) sorry every one | 18:04 |
| daliusd | KevinWright, no problem | 18:04 |
| kuifei | KevinWright, mistake? | 18:04 |
| KevinWright | kuifei my mistake | 18:04 |
| KevinWright | kuifei: I accidentally asked two groups to meet at the same time | 18:05 |
| KevinWright | no problem though | 18:05 |
| KevinWright | I have some general questions for all | 18:05 |
| kuifei | sure | 18:05 |
| KevinWright | kuifei, daluisd, larsgk, frals, rferraz: did you have a chance to see all the docs? | 18:06 |
| daliusd | Yes | 18:06 |
| rferrazz | yes | 18:06 |
| KevinWright | mhall119: can you help me with links for calculator, rss feed, and clock? | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/ has all the app links at the top | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | each app page has a blueprint link | 18:06 |
| kuifei | tutorial, guidelines, and the code committed, what else? | 18:07 |
| larsgk | KevinWright: I need to read up on launchpad (general), process, etc. There wasn't much specific to the rss reader | 18:07 |
| frals | KevinWright: ive seen some of the docs - ie the getting started stuff, but im looking for (as i mentioned earlier before this meeting) system overview docs | 18:07 |
| KevinWright | kuifei: there are specific project details at the links from mhall119 | 18:07 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: that's my action item to provide a summary | 18:08 |
| kuifei | sure, I've read them through. | 18:08 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: there should be some existing launchpad docs I can point you to | 18:09 |
| daliusd | So design is final? | 18:09 |
| larsgk | btw, do you store an offline version of this channel? | 18:09 |
| kuifei | it's quite simple for the clock app | 18:09 |
| larsgk | KevinWright: ok - more than the rss blueprint/project page? | 18:10 |
| KevinWright | daliusd: I don't believe we have final designs. mhall119 | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | only what's in balsamiq | 18:10 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: not sure about offline - mhall119 again | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | and those aren't mandatory designs | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | larsgk: what do you mean an offline version? | 18:11 |
| larsgk | KevinWright: there were some initial designs on balsamiq - but I am sure there will be changes as we try our own medicine | 18:11 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: yes | 18:11 |
| larsgk | mhall119: just an irc log for those who didn't buy an offline service yet (me ;)) | 18:11 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: so maybe concentrating on the backend functionality first will be easier | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | larsgk: they should be on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | 18:12 |
| KevinWright | frals: at the moment what is available online is the most we have | 18:12 |
| larsgk | mhall119: cool - thanks | 18:12 |
| KevinWright | frals: more to come soon | 18:12 |
| mhall119 | larsgk: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/12/%23ubuntu-phone.txt for today's | 18:12 |
| larsgk | mhall119: just checked - nice to know, thanks! | 18:13 |
| frals | KevinWright: ok, because its kinda important to have so we can scope out the work for clock app - ie how much of the alarm functionality will we have to implement and how much is provided by underlying components, e.g. cron or timed | 18:13 |
| daliusd | larsgk: change .txt to .html for nicer view (if that's important) | 18:13 |
| larsgk | frals: and when the phone is 'off' .. it should still wake up and ring | 18:14 |
| larsgk | frals: I guess ;) | 18:14 |
| frals | larsgk: yeah, theres quite a few cases to consider, which i dont think is in scope of the clock app... but i might be wrong :) | 18:15 |
| KevinWright | frals: we can do things iteratively. Must have basic clock that simply tells time as a first step. Then map out the second wave of features | 18:15 |
| KevinWright | frals: support for alarms as suggested. I suspect a service would be needed | 18:16 |
| frals | KevinWright: ok - the alarm stuff is marked as must. either way if its something clock team is responsible for its quite a huge task and something that needs to be started asap | 18:16 |
| kuifei | or, do we really need it to tell time? time is always in the indicator, right? | 18:17 |
| frals | ... and need to find the people in other teams that need similar functionality (eg calendar will need same stuff) and make sure it fits | 18:17 |
| larsgk | KevinWright: do you know if there will be an RSS meeting today? - else, I gotta run | 18:18 |
| KevinWright | frals: good point | 18:18 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: let's sync tomorrow | 18:18 |
| larsgk | KevinWright: ok - thanks .. ttyl | 18:18 |
| KevinWright | larsgk: ttyl | 18:18 |
| KevinWright | frals: would it make sense then to join forces with the calendar team on those common bits? | 18:19 |
| frals | KevinWright: yeah... is there some kind of uber architect that decides what libs get to be in the system etc? | 18:20 |
| frals | because like... a framework like the one for reminders/alarms is kinda important that it works and you know... doesnt suck ;) | 18:20 |
| KevinWright | frals: let me follow up with you on the deeper bits later | 18:21 |
| mhall119 | can I get a quick show of hands, who is here for the Clock app? | 18:21 |
| frals | KevinWright: sure | 18:21 |
| frals | o/ | 18:21 |
| KevinWright | frals and kuifei | 18:21 |
| mhall119 | ok, and who is here for Calculator? | 18:22 |
| rferrazz | me | 18:22 |
| daliusd | and me | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | ok, in case you guys aren't aware, there was a new trunk branch pushed to the projects this morning | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | this contains new template code that is 100% QML, using new SDK components | 18:23 |
| daliusd | that's good :) | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | so if you have an old branch that you're working on, you'll need to get this new one | 18:23 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: should we brainstorm the basic features | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | we have some documentation on the development process here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide | 18:23 |
| wastrel | this would appear to be a scheduled event | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | that includes how to submit your changes as merge proposals back to the trunk branch | 18:24 |
| DanielDressler | for working with launchpad and the coreapps: do I need to be a member of the app's team to push to a new branch and propose for merging? | 18:24 |
| rferrazz | nice | 18:24 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: for the clock app | 18:24 |
| mhall119 | DanielDressler: you need to be a member to commit to trunk, but anybody can submit a branch for a merge proposal | 18:24 |
| DanielDressler | nice thank you | 18:24 |
| mhall119 | even team members should submit changes as a merge proposal that gets reviewed by someone else on the tema | 18:24 |
| kuifei | sure | 18:25 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: starting with a couple of basic things we can make a work item or two for | 18:25 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: maybe UI centric at first | 18:25 |
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| rferrazz | so we can start coding (for calculator backend) | 18:25 |
| frals | KevinWright: sure, but i really want to limit the scope of the clock app so we know how much/little work there is to do as well | 18:25 |
| KevinWright | rferrazz: yes, throw out some ideas for that would be great | 18:25 |
| KevinWright | frals: agreed | 18:25 |
| frals | KevinWright, kuifei: ill start... show local time. ;-) | 18:26 |
| KevinWright | frals: +1 | 18:26 |
| KevinWright | frals: change time zone | 18:26 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: I think we can do frontend as well. What's your vision for backend? | 18:26 |
| kuifei | good idea | 18:26 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: set alarm | 18:26 |
| frals | (KevinWright: are you taking meeting minutes and stuff?) | 18:26 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: I will make the minutes and record action items | 18:27 |
| kuifei | setting alarms should be the core | 18:27 |
| frals | KevinWright: is changing time zone something for the clock app, or for the system settings? i think we should provide a shortcut to the system settings to change timezone/region | 18:27 |
| rferrazz | thinking of parsing the calculation string (at least for scientific mode) | 18:27 |
| mhall119 | frals: for system settings I would think ,and a shortcut would be good, but all of that can wait until the phone code itself is released | 18:28 |
| KevinWright | frals: yes, I was just looking at my andoid alarm app and it has a world clock | 18:28 |
| frals | KevinWright, kuifei: +1 for setting alarms (need info from KevinWright on how much of actual scheduling of alarm etc is implemented by us/vs lower level platform stuff) | 18:28 |
| daliusd | rferrazz, OK. I think we can parse strings in non scientific mode as well | 18:28 |
| rferrazz | daliusd, is there any final design for the frontend? | 18:28 |
| kuifei | we need think about the division between the clock/alarm app and the system settings | 18:28 |
| daliusd | rferrazz, mhall119 said that there might be never exist final one :) | 18:29 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: we can work on the UI for the alarm setting without knowing the deeper bits at first I imagine, at least to some degree | 18:29 |
| frals | kuifei: +1, i think showing the current local time (maybe additional optional tz as well) is a good starting point, and leave changing to system settings | 18:29 |
| mhall119 | agreed | 18:30 |
| rferrazz | daliusd: ok, so we can pick the better ideas out from balsamiq and make our calculator | 18:30 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: I agree :-) | 18:30 |
| kuifei | a clock showing the current time, but not editable; then a list of alarms bellow this clock | 18:31 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: what we will use for calculations? JavaScript (V8 engine) or C++? | 18:31 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: do we have enough info for creating the set alarm view? | 18:31 |
| rferrazz | daliusd, i thnk c++ is a better choice | 18:31 |
| mhall119 | daliusd: QML+Javascript is the preferred | 18:31 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: I mean enough design info | 18:32 |
| mhall119 | unless there's a very good reason for using C++ | 18:32 |
| frals | KevinWright, kuifei: depends how complicated we want the recurrency rules for the alarm view ;-) | 18:32 |
| KevinWright | frals: simple | 18:32 |
| kuifei | no, i didn't find any UI design for clock app | 18:32 |
| KevinWright | frals: I mean keep it simple | 18:32 |
| frals | KevinWright, kuifei: the only designs i found were https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+and+Weather+App but it seems... mixed up with weather | 18:32 |
| daliusd | mhall119, C++ might be slightly faster for math while V8 engine proved to be quite fast | 18:32 |
| KevinWright | mhall119: any idea about what frals just mentioned about designs? | 18:33 |
| DanielDressler | I would be surprised is performance proved an issue with the clock app | 18:33 |
| kuifei | thanks frals, for the link | 18:33 |
| rferrazz | daliusd, mhall119: ok, we can start with javascript | 18:33 |
| daliusd | DanielDressler, there are two meetings going on here :-) performance might be issue for calc app | 18:33 |
| KevinWright | daliusd: that's my fault | 18:34 |
| daliusd | OK. JavaScript :) | 18:34 |
| DanielDressler | daliusd: ah sorry I really am new | 18:34 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: OK I will try to do something with frontend then | 18:35 |
| DanielDressler | so does that mean there will be a meeting for the file manaer? | 18:35 |
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| KevinWright | dmd, I'll send you a message later about it | 18:35 |
| dmd | KevinWright: thank you | 18:36 |
| kuifei | frals, i think we could start the alarm based on the UI design | 18:36 |
| frals | kuifei: yeah, should be doable | 18:36 |
| kuifei | other features about clock/alarms, indicator on the top bar, indicator on the lock screen, ... | 18:37 |
| frals | hmm, am i stupid or is there no search function on mybalsamiq? finding more clock designs now... theres a whole bunch of them | 18:37 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: so who might like to take care of the add/edit alarm view? | 18:37 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: does it look like a plan? | 18:37 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: I think it would be nice to have unit-tests for backend as well. Not sure how however :) | 18:38 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei:and I assume a view that shows current alarms already set | 18:38 |
| frals | kuifei, KevinWright: https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/ClockAlarmApp-DominicRichardsonMatthewStevens https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Alarms+-+Timer+-+Stopwatch+%285th+idea%29 | 18:38 |
| rferrazz | daliusd,yes but first we need to place in a basic structure | 18:38 |
| frals | KevinWright: should we just pick one of the designs we like and start working from that or how does this work? :) | 18:39 |
| daliusd | It might be possible that it is already in place | 18:39 |
| daliusd | at least older version had structure | 18:39 |
| KevinWright | daliusd, rferrazz: I didn't forget you guys but you look like you are taking care of business :) | 18:39 |
| KevinWright | frals: I think that sounds like a plan | 18:39 |
| rferrazz | daliusd: like placing the backend bones before start writing the frontend | 18:40 |
| kuifei | so which one should we take? | 18:40 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: frame is in place already http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calculator-dev/ubuntu-calculator-app/trunk/files | 18:41 |
| frals | kuifei: im going through mybalsamiq to check if i can find more clock mockups atm | 18:41 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: I believe backend will be in *.js file anyway | 18:41 |
| frals | kuifei, KevinWright: we should probably sync up the ui for creating alarm with the one calendar creates for setting a reminder | 18:41 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: initially you can place file in the same folder as it is. Later we will move around everything if there will be need. | 18:42 |
| mhall119 | KevinWright: sorry, what was that about design? | 18:42 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: yes I agree syncing with the calendar | 18:42 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: and I think I have idea for unit-tests as well. We could create other qml-app that will simply run and lists tests in ListView | 18:43 |
| KevinWright | mhall119: why clock and weather are mixed together at the link above ... I'm not familiar with balsamiq | 18:43 |
| rferrazz | daliusd: ok so i'll start with the backend | 18:43 |
| daliusd | rferraz: OK. I think that's it for today unless Kevin has something to add | 18:44 |
| kuifei | frals, KevinWright: I think I'll just trying to implement the UIs in the first link | 18:44 |
| daliusd | KevinWright: do you have anything else to say for us? | 18:44 |
| frals | kuifei, KevinWright: https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Timer+-+Stopwatch+-+Alarms https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+and+Weather+App https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Countdown+-+Stopwatch | 18:44 |
| frals | kuifei, KevinWright: https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/ClockAlarmApp-DominicRichardsonMatthewStevens https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Alarms+-+Timer+-+Stopwatch+%285th+idea%29 | 18:44 |
| frals | kuifei, KevinWright: so we got 5 different proposals now - and now clue how they align with calendars work on reminders :) | 18:45 |
| KevinWright | daliusd: sounds like you two have a plan hatched | 18:45 |
| mhall119 | KevinWright: it doesn't look like we have any clock mockups linked to the wiki | 18:45 |
| rferrazz | daliusd, sounds good | 18:45 |
| mhall119 | frals: can you add those links to the wiki page for the clock? | 18:45 |
| mhall119 | KevinWright: which link has the mockups mixedup? | 18:45 |
| KevinWright | daliusd, rferrazz: I can make some meeting notes from the irc channel and send then to you to later to validate the plan | 18:45 |
| frals | mhall119: sure | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | thanks frals | 18:46 |
| KevinWright | https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+and+Weather+App | 18:46 |
| daliusd | KevinWright: OK | 18:46 |
| rferrazz | daliusd, KevinWright: sure! | 18:46 |
| KevinWright | daliusd, rferrazz: apologies for making it confusing with two discussions | 18:46 |
| daliusd | rferrazz: let's work ;-) Bye for now | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | KevinWright: looks like one person did them both together, instead of separately | 18:46 |
| rferrazz | daliusd: bye :-) | 18:47 |
| mhall119 | not a big deal, they can be linked to from both clock and weather wiki pages | 18:47 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: should we make an action item to decide on a specific design | 18:48 |
| frals | KevinWright, kuifei: yes, and it should align with calendars reminder design (at least for alarms) | 18:48 |
| kuifei | KevinWright: I think so. | 18:49 |
| kuifei | i like this one very much, https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Alarms+-+Timer+-+Stopwatch+%285th+idea%29 | 18:49 |
| KevinWright | kuifei: I like that one too. fral, what do you think? | 18:50 |
| KevinWright | frals what do you think | 18:50 |
| frals | KevinWright: and we also need an action item to get a system level overview of whats available for e.g. reminders/alarms | 18:50 |
| KevinWright | frals: that one is mine | 18:51 |
| frals | kuifei, KevinWright: looks alright. i *hate* the way its designed to pick time there (coming from N9 which has the best time picker ever ;)) | 18:51 |
| KevinWright | frals: I'll have to charge my n9 battery and take a look | 18:51 |
| KevinWright | frals: have not turned it on in a while | 18:51 |
| frals | KevinWright, kuifei: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFOHc5z_fCU | 18:52 |
| KevinWright | frals: no I remember | 18:53 |
| KevinWright | frals: you are right | 18:53 |
| KevinWright | frals: even just the plain analogue clock is sweet | 18:54 |
| frals | KevinWright, kuifei: if we can incorporate a timepicker like the youtube link the design kuifei linked works for me ;) | 18:54 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: that sounds like a plan to me | 18:55 |
| kuifei | cool | 18:55 |
| frals | KevinWright: yeah, the design team on the n9 was ace | 18:55 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: OK so since timepicker is up in the air, what specific area would each of you look into out of that design? | 18:56 |
| kuifei | the video makes me miss my lost N9 again. | 18:56 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: I see 4 views | 18:56 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: clock, alarms, stopwatch, timer | 18:56 |
| frals | KevinWright, kuifei: i could start with the main clock view i guess -- and when the rest of our team shows up its easy to split in to components | 18:57 |
| kuifei | I may try the clock first | 18:57 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: that's two for clock | 18:58 |
| frals | np, i can start on the alarms view instead then | 18:58 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: ok that works | 18:58 |
| KevinWright | kuifei for clock and frals for alarm view | 18:58 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: done | 18:58 |
| frals | since we have something like 5 (or smth) more team members i guess we will get plenty of help anyway ;) | 18:58 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: I'll type up meeting notes and send them out to the whole team | 18:59 |
| KevinWright | frals: yup | 18:59 |
| ajalkane | this might be nice start for timepicker like N9: https://gitorious.org/harmattan-timepicker/harmattan-timepicker/blobs/master/TimePicker.qml | 18:59 |
| kuifei | thanks. | 18:59 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: alright, thanks for the great meeting, and sorry for the confusion earlier on | 19:00 |
| frals | bah the ubuntu wiki hates me with a passion, cant update the clockapp page | 19:00 |
| frals | KevinWright: add an action to update the wiki page with selected design we start with and links to the other designs | 19:00 |
| KevinWright | mhall119, can frals update the wiki page or does something special need to happen first? | 19:00 |
| KevinWright | frals: will do | 19:01 |
| mhall119 | nope, anybody can update the wiki | 19:01 |
| frals | getting a 500 internal server error when signing in | 19:01 |
| mhall119 | except when it fails | 19:01 |
| mhall119 | :( | 19:01 |
| kuifei | :) | 19:02 |
| KevinWright | frals, kuifei: thanks again guys. chat with you soon. Cheers! | 19:03 |
| frals | KevinWright, kuifei: cheers, laters | 19:03 |
| dmd | does any one have an idea where ubuntu sticks nautilus's folder icon? I am searching /usr/share/icons but I'm going a bit crazy | 19:03 |
| kuifei | KevinWright, frals: Cheers! | 19:03 |
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| mhall119 | dmd: they are determined by the icon theme the user has chosen | 19:04 |
| mhall119 | I think the default is still Humanity | 19:04 |
| dmd | thank you that does narrow my search | 19:04 |
| mhall119 | dmd: why? | 19:05 |
| wastrel | /usr/share/icons/Humanity/places/48/gnome-folder.svg | 19:05 |
| dmd | I want to throw together a prototype of the file manager | 19:05 |
| dmd | wastrel: Thank you! | 19:06 |
| mhall119 | you should use icon names, not paths to files, so they will change appropriately with the icon theme | 19:06 |
| dmd | oh that does sound like a good idea | 19:06 |
| wastrel | /usr/share/icons/Humanity/places/48/stock_folder.svg seems to be the same | 19:06 |
| mhall119 | I think QML will do the proper icon lookup for you | 19:06 |
| dmd | now I need to figure that out | 19:06 |
| mhall119 | try just using "stock_folder" or something like that for the icon | 19:06 |
| mhall119 | dmd: see http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html for the standard naming conventions | 19:07 |
| dmd | nice | 19:08 |
| mhall119 | bzoltan: jppiiroi1en: can you guys confirm that QML support this for icons? | 19:08 |
| dmd | the toolbars.qml is using "iconSource: Qt.resolvedUrl(filename)" is that about what I should use? | 19:09 |
| mhall119 | dmd: can you give me a link to that file? | 19:09 |
| dmd | it is from the example use app | 19:09 |
| dmd | sec | 19:09 |
| dmd | /usr/lib/qt-components-ubuntu/demos/Toolbars.qml | 19:10 |
| frals | KevinWright, mhall119: the wiki signs me out everytime i get to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/Clock, if either of you could update the page with the design instead of me i'd be grateful | 19:11 |
| KevinWright | frals: I'll take care of it sometime in the next 12-24 hours | 19:12 |
| frals | KevinWright: cheers | 19:12 |
| mhall119 | dmd: ah, those appear to be using images local to the application, not system-wide icons determined by the user's icon theme | 19:12 |
| KevinWright | frals: (or maybe less) | 19:12 |
| mhall119 | frals: have you tried shift-refreshing to see if it's maybe just giving you a cached page? | 19:12 |
| frals | mhall119: yeah, no luck still :( | 19:13 |
| mhall119 | bzoltan: jppiiroi1en: Mirv: can someone help frals with this? | 19:13 |
| mhall119 | frals: those guys are all UTC+1 or +2 I think, so they may not be online anymore | 19:14 |
| frals | no worries, ill try again tomorrow - could be some delay because i had to approve wiki access to my account info or some crap on my end -- have to go afk now | 19:14 |
| frals | gnite all | 19:14 |
| dmd | mhall119: I am very new to qml. How should I get the folder icon through the proper method? | 19:16 |
| mhall119 | dmd: I'm very new to QML as well, so I don't know exactly | 19:16 |
| dmd | ok then hacky solution time: copy&paste | 19:17 |
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| dmd | I must say that qml with its json basis is much nicer than android's xml | 19:20 |
| ajalkane | dmd: depends on how Ubuntu has implemented image provider. See: http://doc.qt.digia.com/stable/qdeclarativeimageprovider.html | 19:21 |
| dmd | ajalkane: thank you | 19:22 |
| wastrel | so was that burst of activity a regularly scheduled thing? | 20:20 |
| dmd | I think they were having a meeting | 20:20 |
| dmd | for the calender and then the calculator | 20:20 |
| dmd | oh maybe dmd will not work as a nick | 20:21 |
| dmd | does qml have something like css's classes? | 20:33 |
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| dmd | Is there a way make an element inherit a style? for example margins | 20:34 |
| ajalkane | dmd: Ubuntu implements something like CSS styles for QML but I don't know enough about them yet. In traditional QML you create components by composition instead of inheritance | 20:43 |
| dmd | sorry inheritance is by most chances going to be the wrong word | 20:44 |
| dmd | any idea of any examples for the ubntu styles? | 20:44 |
| ajalkane | dmd: see if this gives you some ideas: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/theming-components.html | 20:46 |
| dmd | thank you! | 20:46 |
| dmd | It looks like there is a lot more on the wiki than I thought | 20:46 |
| ajalkane | There's frankly not lot... but what's there is pretty good for getting started. | 20:47 |
| wastrel | dmd: what are you writing? | 20:48 |
| dmd | I want to try my hand at the file manager | 20:49 |
| dmd | so I'm mocking up the ui then I'll hack in basic file navigation | 20:49 |
| ajalkane | are you in the file manager team? | 20:49 |
| dmd | nope, I have no idea what is going on | 20:49 |
| ajalkane | ok, just wondered if anythings going on. Someone doing something is better than nothing happening at all. | 20:50 |
| dmd | I contacted Till who was my mentor two years ago asking him about how I could help with ubuntu phone and he pointed me to this chat room | 20:50 |
| dmd | I figure before I try to make anything offical I should prove to myself I can get something working | 20:51 |
| ajalkane | are you basing the mocks on any suggestions given in the community pages? | 20:51 |
| dmd | I want to go from the one in basmic but.. | 20:51 |
| dmd | I do not think the accordian view of multiple file sources will work well on mobile | 20:51 |
| dmd | instead ubuntu has these cool views you can swip between | 20:52 |
| dmd | I think those would work better for different locations, like network shares vs local vs sd card | 20:52 |
| ajalkane | IMO it's best to start with the bare basics, getting the basics working, and then tackle the harder parts. | 20:52 |
| dmd | yeah | 20:53 |
| dmd | so far I have mocked in fake folders and fake files | 20:53 |
| dmd | I'm mocking in the context menu next | 20:53 |
| dmd | KevinWright: how might I go about going a team? | 21:12 |
| dmdrummond | dmd: There is a form here http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/#step-get-involved | 21:48 |
| dmd | dmdrummond: thank you will fill that out | 21:49 |
| nOStahl | hows it going guys | 23:19 |
| dmd | everyone appears to be afk, or working | 23:20 |
| nOStahl | ah | 23:20 |
| nOStahl | me - I'm playing with my new gitlab server | 23:20 |
| dmd | nice | 23:21 |
| dmd | have a use in mind? | 23:22 |
| nOStahl | I'm really REALY liking gitlab so far | 23:22 |
| nOStahl | cant wait for ubuntu phone | 23:27 |
| nOStahl | wish I did not buy the iPhone 5 last month now haha | 23:27 |
| dmd | yeah I can imagine | 23:27 |
| dmd | not going to get a port for a little while | 23:27 |
| nOStahl | what I really wish is that I could install ubuntu phone on my iPhone 5 | 23:28 |
| dmd | it is nice hardware | 23:28 |
| nOStahl | aye | 23:28 |
| dmd | did they get rid of the glass back? | 23:28 |
| nOStahl | ya | 23:28 |
| dmd | nice | 23:28 |
| dmd | I have the nexus 4 and the back is already scratched up. I refuse to use a case | 23:29 |
| dmd | no phone should need a case | 23:29 |
| dmd | I think they used a glass back since it trains you to grip the sides | 23:29 |
| nOStahl | unless you want it to change the look | 23:29 |
| nOStahl | I don't use a case on the iPhone 5 | 23:29 |
| nOStahl | just make sure to keep keys in diff pocket etc | 23:30 |
| dmd | yeah I've cleaned out a pocket in my bag | 23:30 |
| dmd | only phone and tissue | 23:30 |
| nOStahl | gah I'd really like ubuntu phone on this iphone | 23:31 |
| dmd | one option that may work in the future is the chinese iphone knockoff | 23:31 |
| dmd | at least those have unlocked boot loaders | 23:31 |
| nOStahl | aye | 23:32 |
| nOStahl | any word on cdma work | 23:32 |
| dmd | no idea | 23:32 |
| nOStahl | so I had watched the keynote on ubuntu for phones | 23:40 |
| nOStahl | they didn't cover, is this going to be where we can dock it and use full blown ubuntu ? | 23:41 |
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