[02:14] <danieru_> wait, if this channel was created 1.3 years ago is that about when the ubuntu phone project started?
[02:17] <danieru_> As 12.10 does not work with my netbook I am on 12.04, does ubuntu phone development environment work on 12.04
[02:17] <danieru_> ?
[02:23] <nOStahl> not sure
[02:23] <nOStahl> why does 12.10 not work
[02:24] <nOStahl> it works on my eee pc 901 perfectly
[02:25] <danieru_> I am not sure. It is a aspire one D270
[02:25] <danieru_> I tried 12.10 and it got through live cd fine but black screened after install
[02:25] <danieru_> My desktop and laptop have 12.10 though
[02:25] <danieru_> but I use the netbook for class
[02:25] <nOStahl> simple fix
[02:26] <nOStahl> google black screen
[02:26] <nOStahl> ubuntu 12.10 blackscreen boot
[02:26] <danieru_> is it a common issue?
[02:26] <nOStahl> nope
[02:26] <danieru_> I don't remember finding anything helpful back when I was troubleshooting
[02:57] <DanielDressler> I do have qt-components-ubuntu installed which depends on qt5 which is also installed, but I cannot find the qmlscene binary
[02:57] <DanielDressler> Any ideas?
[03:02] <DanielDressler> ah found it, find to the rescue. It was /usr/bin/qmlscene
[03:04] <DanielDressler> so either my install is odd but the tutorial uses /opt/qt5/bin/qmlscene
[03:11] <DanielDressler> awesome, the tutorial code is now working
[14:20] <nOStahl> any news on if that welcome screen is coming to desktop ubuntu as well?
[14:21] <usererror> not heard anything on that topic yet myself
[14:27] <nOStahl> I'm real excited for this heh
[14:27] <usererror> yeah :)
[14:27] <k1l_> any rumors on a nexus4 image?
[14:27] <usererror> none
[14:28] <usererror> there won't be until source is released
[14:28] <k1l_> i hope the ubuntu-phone guys are not still in backorder-limbo :)
[14:28] <usererror> then there will be plenty of people porting it to everything under the sun
[14:30] <nOStahl> any word on when they will do ubuntu for tablets ?
[14:56] <usererror> out of the many questions I have, the most immediate one is, will the images be for the international Galaxy Nexus only?  Or the GSM versions only?  Or all?  Because I have a Toro (VZW), and it'd be nice to know if I'll be waiting for images or if it'll be included in the initial release...
[14:57] <usererror> but I'm sure I'll find out soon enough?
[15:09] <ryansipes> usererror: I asked the same question, initially the image will be released for the GSM Galaxy Nexus
[15:10] <ryansipes> usererror: However, there appears to be much interest to port it to the other GN models, and after the image and source code are released this effort can begin.
[15:13] <usererror> :) ty ryansipes.. that is what I figured would happen, but it is good to know for sure
[15:13] <ryansipes> usererror: The response I got on the mailing list was: "The GSM model is the only one being targeted right now.  The OS may run on the other models, but it wouldn't be able to use the phone or 3G/4G data functionality.
[15:13] <ryansipes> usererror: So if it isn't your primary phone you could still play with it possibly.  Haha.
[15:14] <usererror> fun lol
[15:16] <ryansipes> Yeah, using a phone without the "phone" functionality doesn't seem all that enticing.
[15:16] <ryansipes> But if you just want to test your app or something it might not be all that bad.
[15:17] <ryansipes> And I'm sure it will only be a short time before someone ports the image to another phone, considering Ubuntu Phone OS can allegedly use Android drivers.
[15:19] <popey> thats what we're hoping ☺
[15:19] <popey> s/allegedly//
[15:19] <wastrel> i have a galaxy nexus ♥
[15:21] <ryansipes> popey: That is exciting if it can use them with relative ease.  I know many people who have older Android phones, and I bet Ubuntu Phone could breathe new life into them.
[15:22] <ravirdv_> having it on N9 would be great!
[15:23] <popey> I have no idea which phones would be capable of running it, that's what the community and people like xda-developers are for, they know this stuff ;)
[15:25] <ryansipes> popey: Yeah, I just figure without the java element thrown in there (as with Android), it will be able to run on phones with less capable hardware.
[15:26] <ryansipes> popey: Because it won't have to bother with the virtual machine that Android does.
[15:27] <ryansipes> ravirdv_: Yeah, I'm sure a lot of N9 owners would appreciate that.
[15:28] <ryansipes> ravirdv_: The N9's specs aren't that bad, it's not dual core like the Galaxy Nexus but it has the same amount of RAM
[15:59] <nOStahl> wish I could install ubuntu for phone on my iPhone 5
[15:59] <ubuntubhoy> LOL - no chance of that
[16:04] <nOStahl> it'd sure be nice
[16:53] <larsgk> mhall119: hi
[16:53] <mhall119> hi larsgk
[16:54] <larsgk> mhall119: I have been a bit behind on things as I just had a new baby.  I'm a bit uncertain on if we are already digging in code - or the designers need to do some polishing (or we are the designers)?
[16:55]  * larsgk I am Lars Knudsen, on the RSS Feeder app 
[16:55] <mhall119> larsgk: the designs were done on Balsamiq, we haven't started coding yet, but would like to start on that soon
[16:55] <mhall119> I just pushed new bzr branches to each of the projects with an updated template
[16:55] <DanielDressler> has the ubuntu phone sdk changed at all? I installed it last night from the instructions on 12.04 but my qmlscene is in a different directory vs the tutorial. Find found two qmlscenes in /usr/bin/qmlscene
[16:55] <DanielDressler> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene
[16:56] <mhall119> DanielDressler: yes, the switch from qt5-beta1 to qt5-proper PPA changed the install location, the tutorial hasn't been updated yet
[16:56] <larsgk> mhall119: ok - and when we start coding, do we then work in the master branch? (I did a small commit on a build error already - but don't know if you prefer things in a separate branch)
[16:57] <DanielDressler> is /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene the proper qt5 one?
[16:57] <mhall119> larsgk: the process will be to push to a separate branch, and then create a merge proposal for it in Launchpad
[16:57] <mhall119> DanielDressler: I think /usr/bin/qmlscene is the one you want, it will automatically pick the qt4 or qt5 version depending on your target qml
[16:57] <larsgk> the qt5-proper install screwed my 12.04/qt4 btw ;) .. and I am on a contract dependent on qt4.. oh well.. fixed it manually
[16:58] <DanielDressler> very nice. I have been using that one and it has been working but I thought that might just be by chance
[16:58] <mhall119> larsgk: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide, specifically the sections "Using Bzr" and "Using Launchpad"
[16:58] <larsgk> mhall119: ok - I am new to launchpad/bzr - thanks for the links
[16:59] <mhall119> larsgk: jppiiroi1en where should he file a bug about conflicts between qt4 and qt5?
[16:59] <mhall119> larsgk: no problem, the whole page is all about developing these core apps, so worth reading before you get started
[17:00] <larsgk> mhall119: do we just do an update on the sdk package to get the pure QML2 version?
[17:00] <KevinWright> Hey ho Calendar App people!
[17:01] <mhall119> larsgk: no, you'll need to do a new checkout of the project branch
[17:01] <larsgk> mhall119: ok
[17:01] <mhall119> so bzr branch lp:ubuntu-rssreader-app ./new-template
[17:01] <larsgk> mhall119: thanks :)
[17:01] <rferrazz> KevinWright, i'm here!
[17:01] <mhall119> but the new template is very nice, provides the top-tabs and bottom-toolbar for you, just like the phone demo shows
[17:02] <larsgk> mhall119: sounds good :)  . o O (thanks Nokia - for the investment in Qt5/QML2) ;)
[17:04] <mhall119> KevinWright: is there an agenda doc or anything for this meeting?
[17:04] <KevinWright> mhall119: blueprint only
[17:04] <KevinWright> mhall119: and nothing in it!
[17:04] <KevinWright> mhall119: we need to fill it up
[17:04] <mhall119> that can be corrected :)
[17:05] <mhall119> links for those interested in following along:
[17:05] <mhall119> wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/Calendar
[17:05] <mhall119> Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+spec/initial-calendar-development
[17:07] <KevinWright> are Aleksandr, frank, Steven, Kunal, Mario B., or Mario Z. here?
[17:07] <KevinWright> frank == frank
[17:07]  * mariob is here
[17:07] <KevinWright> mariob: hey!
[17:07] <mariob> KevinWright: Hi
[17:07] <mhall119> hey mariob
[17:07] <mariob> mhall119: Hi
[17:07] <KevinWright> mhall119: thanks for pasting those links
[17:08] <mhall119> np
[17:08] <KevinWright> mariob, mhall119: let's wait a moment. maybe it will be a small and short chat
[17:08] <sunil_> KevinWright: Hi
[17:09] <mariob> KevinWright: np
[17:09] <KevinWright> sunil_: hi there
[17:09] <mhall119> frankencode are you here?
[17:09] <mariob> KevinWright: I'm not sure if you included Mario Z in the invitation mail
[17:09] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: did you have a chance to look at the resources?
[17:10] <KevinWright> mariob: maybe he was a later addition to the mailing list
[17:10] <mariob> KevinWright: Have browswd it quickly
[17:10] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: and have you been able to install the ubuntu-sdk + components?
[17:11] <mariob> no issues
[17:11] <KevinWright> mariob: excellent
[17:11] <sunil_> yap. just got the update
[17:11] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: have you have a chance to go through the tutorial at developer.ubuntu.com?
[17:12] <mariob> But I hvan't checkout the new stuff mhall119 mailed out
[17:12] <sunil_> yes
[17:12] <mariob> KevinWright: Yes
[17:12] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: awesome
[17:12] <mhall119> mariob: it's simplified version of what's in the tutorial
[17:12] <mhall119> just run "qmlscene calendar.qml"
[17:12] <mariob> mhall119: ok
[17:13] <mhall119> you should also be able to open the .qmlproject in QtCreator and run it from there
[17:13] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: so in the wiki link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/Calendar there should be a rough sketch of the plan
[17:14] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: but we need to fill in more detail
[17:14] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: and make some work items
[17:14] <mariob> KevinWright: sure
[17:14] <sunil_> KevinWright: let me check the plan
[17:14] <KevinWright> sunil_: np take your time
[17:14] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: so we should validate the user stories, functionality etc.
[17:15] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: it does not need to be perfect of course
[17:15] <frankencode> mhall119: yes
[17:15] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: we can add/update anytime
[17:15] <mhall119> frankencode: ah, good, calendar meeting time :)
[17:15] <sunil_> KevinWright:okey
[17:15] <KevinWright> hey frankencode
[17:15] <frankencode> hey
[17:15] <KevinWright> frankencode did you catch the earlier part of the discussion?
[17:16] <KevinWright> we didn't get so far into it yet
[17:16] <frankencode> i'm scanning it
[17:16] <KevinWright> frankencode, np
[17:16] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: anything you can think of to add to the functionality or use cases in the wiki
[17:16] <frankencode> i had an issue with the code template for the apps to work with qt5 on 13.04
[17:16] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: or just thoughts off the top of your head
[17:17] <KevinWright> frankencode: what was the issue
[17:17] <mhall119> frankencode: there's a new code template, just pushed this morning
[17:17] <larsgk> q: what is the difference between qt5-proper and Qt5.0.x from Troll...Nok..Digia?
[17:18] <mhall119> jppiiroi1en: Mirv: ^^ can either of you answer that?
[17:18] <frankencode> the hack with setting the app name went infunctional
[17:18] <KevinWright> mhall119: do we have designs for mariob, sunil_, frankencode
[17:18] <sunil_> KevinWright:okey, will send them to you
[17:18] <frankencode> rootObject() vs rootItem() i think
[17:18] <KevinWright> sunil_ or you can mention them here
[17:18] <mhall119> KevinWright: only the Balsamiq ones linked to from the wiki
[17:18] <KevinWright> mhall119: better than nothing!
[17:18] <frankencode> there are some good use cases on myalsamiq
[17:19] <frankencode> i looked at it yesterday
[17:19] <mhall119> frankencode: the new template is 100% QML
[17:19] <sunil_> KevinWright: are we targeting specfically for Phones.
[17:19] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: should we write up the use cases based on what is in balsamiq
[17:19] <frankencode> real artists need a white sheet of paper;)
[17:19] <KevinWright> sunil_ yes
[17:19] <sunil_> KevinWright: okey
[17:20] <mariob> KevinWright: sure
[17:20] <sunil_> KevinWright: is the calender will be online or offline only
[17:20] <frankencode> i heard the strategy is to go feature phone first
[17:20] <mariob> KevinWright: but there's already a couple of stories on the wiki, right?
[17:20] <frankencode> not sure if it holds true
[17:20] <KevinWright> sunil_ at least offline, also online would be nice
[17:21] <KevinWright> mariob: yes I wrote those up...they are not set in stone
[17:21] <mhall119> frankencode: the feature phone requirements are a subset of the smartphone requirements, so it makes sense we'll have it first
[17:21] <KevinWright> mariob: but if they are good enough then that is fine
[17:21] <sunil_> KevinWright: means only with U1 not XChange or GCal
[17:21] <mariob> KevinWright: no, but their a good starting point
[17:21] <frankencode> mhall119: that's what i was thinking
[17:22] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: I suspect supporting U1 should be must have if we can also do online
[17:22] <frankencode> U1?
[17:22] <mhall119> Ubuntu One
[17:22] <mhall119> our cloud-syncing service
[17:22] <frankencode> ahh
[17:22] <frankencode> clear
[17:23] <frankencode> is it xml or json, api wise?
[17:23] <sunil_> KevinWright: okey
[17:23] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode but I think the first stage is to get a local app
[17:23] <sunil_> KevinWright: agree
[17:23] <mariob> KevinWright: Should we use QOrganizer? That would make it transparent w/ plugins, right?
[17:23] <mhall119> frankencode: I'm not sure, but the info should be here: https://one.ubuntu.com/developer/
[17:23] <frankencode> ok
[17:24] <mariob> KevinWright: sorry, QtOrganizer from the mobility project
[17:24] <KevinWright> mariob: Yep I knew what you meant
[17:24] <KevinWright> mariob: although I'm not familiar with the whol API
[17:24] <KevinWright> whole
[17:24] <frankencode> sunil_, mariob: i experimented already with the month view
[17:25] <mariob> KevinWright: There's already QML bindings etc
[17:25] <KevinWright> frankencode: is it easy to work with?
[17:25] <frankencode> tried a nice flicking with month-wise snapping, but figured it feels crappy...
[17:25] <KevinWright> mariob: that's what we need
[17:26] <frankencode> KevinWright: easy to work with what?
[17:26] <jppiiroi1en> mhall119: larsgk: packaging at least
[17:26] <KevinWright> frankencode: sorry I might have misunderstood what you said earlier
[17:27] <larsgk> mariob: about the stuff from mobility ... in what state is it?
[17:27] <KevinWright> frankencode: ignoer my commment
[17:27] <KevinWright> ignore
[17:27] <larsgk> mariob: it was my impression that the mobility stuff was not exactly on par with core qt
[17:27] <mariob> larsgk: Not sure, maybe we can check w/ digia
[17:27] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: so what are some of the first steps we need
[17:27] <mariob> larsgk: Not all of the modules
[17:28] <sunil_> i suggest we start from goundup make it simple to use. then existing onces
[17:28] <frankencode> i tried qtpim, but couldn't make it compile with qt5;)
[17:28] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: any extra information needed at this stage or just start to make work items?
[17:28] <larsgk> mariob: ok .. because I remember some that were not that ...great ;) .. but it could be that the organizer is (didn't work with that one)
[17:28] <mhall119> +1 to sunil_'s idea, start simple just to get started
[17:28] <sunil_> KevinWright: designer input !
[17:29] <mariob> larsgk: But I'm sure they better than starting from scratch :)
[17:29] <KevinWright> sunil_ +1
[17:29] <mariob> KevinWright: I'd go for creating the UI
[17:29] <frankencode> i'm on go, too
[17:29] <larsgk> mariob: ;)
[17:29] <mhall119> sunil_: anything specific you want from the designers?
[17:30] <frankencode> my next work item, is to try another month view, look at the balsamiq input
[17:30] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: so someone want to take care of another view?
[17:30] <DanielDressler> I'm filling out the contributer aggreement and it is asking for "Canonical Project Manager or contact". Who should i put there?
[17:31] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_: day? week? view
[17:31] <mhall119> DanielDressler: put Kevin Wright
[17:31] <DanielDressler> mhall119: thank you
[17:31] <mhall119> np
[17:31] <mariob> KevinWright: I can take a look at the day view
[17:31] <KevinWright> mariob: OK
[17:31] <KevinWright> sunil_ you OK with day view?
[17:32] <sunil_> yes. actually if rather we start by coding . if we get designer to guide us then the day/week/month views will be uniform. just a suggestion
[17:32] <sunil_> sure
[17:32] <sunil_> day_view is okey with me
[17:32] <frankencode> i tried already to get the month view in ubuntu shapes
[17:33] <frankencode> but it looks cluttered
[17:33] <mariob> KevinWright: Should I do the edit view then since sunil_ is doing the day view?
[17:33] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: design input is of course needed but we can still work on the models for each view
[17:33] <frankencode> ultimatly i think the design will look not much different than a calendar on the wall
[17:33] <KevinWright> mariob: whoops
[17:33] <frankencode> of course in full ubuntu fidelity
[17:33] <mariob> KevinWright: np for me
[17:33] <KevinWright> mariob: sorry my mistake I should have said week to sunil_
[17:34] <sunil_> either one is fine with me
[17:34] <mariob> KevinWright: I can take Week since I like Week view :)
[17:34] <frankencode> mariob, sunil_: you are more into c++ or qml/js?
[17:34] <KevinWright> mariob: sure that sounds good, sorry for that mistake :)
[17:34] <j-b> Can we develop totally natively or do we need qml?
[17:34] <sunil_> mariob: you preference
[17:34] <DanielDressler> will ubuntu phone have something similar to android's intents?
[17:34] <mariob> frankencode: I like QML :) but I do C++ too
[17:34] <mariob> sunil_: Ok, I'll take the week view  then :)
[17:34] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: we want to encourage a very QML centric approach as much as possible
[17:34] <mhall119> DanielDressler: not yet, no
[17:34] <sunil_> lot of C++ and 1 year QML
[17:35] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: as in declarative heavy
[17:35] <frankencode> KevinWrigt: +1
[17:35] <mariob> KevinWright: Lot's of QML last 2 years, less C++
[17:35] <sunil_> KevinWright: is fun to work
[17:35] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: so push as much in that direction as possible
[17:35] <mariob> KevinWright: Sounds good
[17:36] <sunil_> KevinWright: Okey
[17:36] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: use C++ in a plugin if you need to
[17:36] <frankencode> mariob, sunil_: please ignore the exiting MonthModel.cpp, it's just an early prototype, i'm in rewrite today
[17:36] <DanielDressler> mhall119: is it on the roadmap. I ask because I am interested in the file manager since coming from android ever app goes and reimplements a file browser. If ubuntu phone will ship with a file browser by default then that could mean great propress vs the current android situation
[17:36] <DanielDressler> sorry I missed at least one '?'
[17:37] <mariob> KevinWright: That's why I though QtOrganizer would be good since it already have QML bindings, but it might be too heavy, not sure
[17:37] <sunil_> KevinWright: just one question. Is the UbuntuPhone Components only used .. or can use others?
[17:37] <mariob> KevinWright: But I can't say in what state the module is in Qt5
[17:37] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: for the UI itself please use the Ubuntu components
[17:38] <mhall119> DanielDressler: I don't know if it's on the roadmap yet
[17:38] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: but other available plugins we caan utilize for other functions
[17:38] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: if there is something missing from Ubuntu components for the UI don't be afraid to bring it up
[17:38] <wastrel> i did the currency converter tutorial what do i do next
[17:38] <sunil_> mariob: i donot suggest qOrganizer as more desktop app look
[17:39] <KevinWright> mariob: I'm not sure either
[17:39] <KevinWright> mariob: we can and should check
[17:39] <mariob> sunil_: no not qOrganizer, but QtOrganizer, just an API: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility/qtorganizer.html
[17:39] <sunil_> KevinWright : Okey.
[17:40] <KevinWright> mariob: could you take an action to check that API?
[17:40] <frankencode> sunil_, mariob: you can get the source for the ubuntu components from   lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[17:40] <mariob> KevinWright: Sure, I can check how the QML bindings look like and maybe write a small example app
[17:40] <KevinWright> mariob: great!
[17:40] <sunil_> mariob: oops. my bad
[17:41] <mariob> sunil_: np :) I also got lite confused when searching for the module
[17:41] <frankencode> i think to that ui-toolkit project we can also place feature requests
[17:41] <frankencode> ultimatly a date picker will be needed there...
[17:42] <sunil_> frankencode: yes
[17:42] <mariob> frankencode: That could actually be as simple as WP or BB10 do it, List view with three columns :)
[17:42] <frankencode> qtorganizer: oh, that's a fat api already
[17:43] <larsgk> mariob: didn't all things 'mobility' sortof got put on the shelf when they closed down brisbane?
[17:43] <mariob> Yep, but it supports everything you need for PIM :)
[17:43] <frankencode> mariob: yea, have get that bb10 sim back running again
[17:43] <KevinWright> larsgk: somewhat yes
[17:44] <KevinWright> larsgk: but for some modules it is only temporary
[17:44] <mariob> larsgk: The question is if we should maintain the module or start developing one ourself...
[17:44] <frankencode> larsgk: there are still some ex trolls working on mobility for bb10 here in munich
[17:44] <frankencode> difficult to kill qt;)
[17:44] <larsgk> frankencode: cool :) ... I failed to deliver an app within the timeframe... stuck with the dev device (cool though)
[17:44] <KevinWright> frankencode: it is indeed
[17:45] <mariob> larsgk: KevinWright frankencode and I'd be supprised if Jolla doesn't use it...
[17:45] <frankencode> i surely will have a look at it
[17:45] <larsgk> frankencode: Qt is excellent - using it for all current projects .. qtmobility not so much
[17:45] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode should we wrap up the official part of the meeting? I think we have a good start
[17:45] <mariob> larsgk: qtmobility didn't get the love it deserved :)
[17:46] <mariob> KevinWright: Yes
[17:46] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: feel free to continue talking of course
[17:46] <sunil_> larsgk: can't agree more... Qt is great ..but .. qtmobility is not
[17:47] <mariob> KevinWright, sunil_ , larsgk , frankencode I have to leave but I'll take a look at the QtOrganizer stuff and see if it works w/ Qt5 and create a small example app
[17:47] <larsgk> sunil_: mariob: I especially love the plugin framework - like with qtsensors (soon to come back, I hope)
[17:47] <KevinWright> mariob: thanks and talk to you soon!
[17:47] <mariob> larsgk: Yes, Qt made by devs for devs :)
[17:47] <sunil_> KevinWright: sure. will update the progress on day_view soon
[17:47] <mariob> KevinWright: Thanks bye
[17:48] <larsgk> sunil_: again - thanking Nokia for investing in Qt5 .. I really hope it manages to stay as open under Digia
[17:48] <frankencode> KevinWright: cu, thx
[17:48] <KevinWright> mariob, sunil_, frankencode: thanks all!
[17:48] <larsgk> KevinWright and all: thanks for now
[17:49] <sunil_> KevinWright: thanks. bye
[17:49] <larsgk> :)
[17:49] <KevinWright> larsgk: and thanks to you too
[17:49] <larsgk> ;)
[17:50] <sunil_> larsgk: i feel nokia dragged Qt to 5 years back ... just by putting name with it
[17:50] <frals> hmm, been browsing through the docs a bit from a dev perspective.. is there any system diagram that shows all the components that are suppose to be in the os?
[17:51] <sunil_> frals: searching for the same too.
[17:51] <KevinWright> frals: the UI components? or other app dev support?
[17:51] <j-b> frals: same here.
[17:51] <j-b> And what we are allowed to use and not as a dev
[17:51] <sunil_> UI components.
[17:51] <frals> KevinWright: everything except UI components, more or less, which libs are available and stuff like that
[17:52] <j-b> Yep. Anything not Qt related
[17:52] <frals> yeah
[17:53] <j-b> Can I use libc? glib? PA? OpenGL? Xv? xcb? D-Bus?
[17:55] <larsgk> sunil_: actuall - Nokia made sure Qt got ready for mobile
[17:55] <larsgk> sunil_: don't know if you worked there?
[17:56] <frals> larsgk: guess theres quite a few ex-nokians here ;)
[17:56] <KevinWright> larsgk, sunil_: Nokia also make Qt more open that it was before under Trolltech
[17:56] <sunil_> larsgk: m not ex-nokian.
[17:56] <larsgk> sunil_: correcting myself... Nokia made sure (with money and pressure - to put on actual phones) that Qt got ready for mobile
[17:56] <daliusd> Hi
[17:57] <KevinWright> daliusd: hey there
[17:57] <larsgk> sunil_: Personally, I am in this to do my part for Ubuntu Phone to become what Nokia failed to continue
[17:57] <j-b> frals: is you ever find this info, can you ping me ? :)
[17:59] <frals> j-b: sure
[17:59] <j-b> frals: thx
[17:59] <sunil_> for me  Canonical helped Qt more then Nokia by using it in day-to-day products .. not some prototypes. Anyway that is just me.
[17:59] <frankencode> larsgk: i think there is no choice, some open linux distro has to make it into the future, where there will be mobile computing devices only
[18:00] <sunil_> larsgk: appreciate it.
[18:01] <frals> KevinWright: i assume the clock app intro meeting-thingy will be in this chan since you didnt mention any other info in the mail, right? :)
[18:01] <daliusd> sunil_: Qt is used on Symbian and MeeGo devices daily as well ;-)
[18:01] <daliusd> Yep time for meeting
[18:01] <kuifei> clock app things is expected here?
[18:01] <KevinWright> frals: my email was confusing
[18:02] <frals> kuifei: i think so :)
[18:03] <sunil_> larsgk KevinWright: Thanks guys. See you soon again. Bye
[18:03] <larsgk> sunil_: thanks - ttyl
[18:03] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei are here for the clock app because of a mistake I made
[18:04] <daliusd> KevinWright, and I'm here for calc app :)
[18:04] <KevinWright> and daliusd, rferraz for calculator
[18:04] <larsgk> any RSS Feed Reader app guys here?
[18:04] <KevinWright> I double booked, yikes :) sorry every one
[18:04] <daliusd> KevinWright, no problem
[18:04] <kuifei> KevinWright, mistake?
[18:04] <KevinWright> kuifei my mistake
[18:05] <KevinWright> kuifei: I accidentally asked two groups to meet at the same time
[18:05] <KevinWright> no problem though
[18:05] <KevinWright> I have some general questions for all
[18:05] <kuifei> sure
[18:06] <KevinWright> kuifei, daluisd, larsgk, frals, rferraz: did you have a chance to see all the docs?
[18:06] <daliusd> Yes
[18:06] <rferrazz> yes
[18:06] <KevinWright> mhall119: can you help me with links for calculator, rss feed, and clock?
[18:06] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/ has all the app links at the top
[18:06] <mhall119> each app page has a blueprint link
[18:07] <kuifei> tutorial, guidelines, and the code committed, what else?
[18:07] <larsgk> KevinWright: I need to read up on launchpad (general), process, etc. There wasn't much specific to the rss reader
[18:07] <frals> KevinWright: ive seen some of the docs - ie the getting started stuff, but im looking for (as i mentioned earlier before this meeting) system overview docs
[18:07] <KevinWright> kuifei: there are specific project details at the links from mhall119
[18:08] <KevinWright> larsgk: that's my action item to provide a summary
[18:08] <kuifei> sure, I've read them through.
[18:09] <KevinWright> larsgk: there should be some existing launchpad docs I can point you to
[18:09] <daliusd> So design is final?
[18:09] <larsgk> btw, do you store an offline version of this channel?
[18:09] <kuifei> it's quite simple for the clock app
[18:10] <larsgk> KevinWright: ok - more than the rss blueprint/project page?
[18:10] <KevinWright> daliusd: I don't believe we have final designs. mhall119
[18:10] <mhall119> only what's in balsamiq
[18:10] <KevinWright> larsgk: not sure about offline - mhall119 again
[18:10] <mhall119> and those aren't mandatory designs
[18:11] <mhall119> larsgk: what do you mean an offline version?
[18:11] <larsgk> KevinWright: there were some initial designs on balsamiq - but I am sure there will be changes as we try our own medicine
[18:11] <KevinWright> larsgk: yes
[18:11] <larsgk> mhall119: just an irc log for those who didn't buy an offline service yet (me ;))
[18:11] <KevinWright> larsgk: so maybe concentrating on the backend functionality first will be easier
[18:12] <mhall119> larsgk: they should be on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[18:12] <KevinWright> frals: at the moment what is available online is the most we have
[18:12] <larsgk> mhall119: cool - thanks
[18:12] <KevinWright> frals: more to come soon
[18:12] <mhall119> larsgk: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/12/%23ubuntu-phone.txt for today's
[18:13] <larsgk> mhall119: just checked - nice to know, thanks!
[18:13] <frals> KevinWright: ok, because its kinda important to have so we can scope out the work for clock app - ie how much of the alarm functionality will we have to implement and how much is provided by underlying components, e.g. cron or timed
[18:13] <daliusd> larsgk: change .txt to .html for nicer view (if that's important)
[18:14] <larsgk> frals: and when the phone is 'off' .. it should still wake up and ring
[18:14] <larsgk> frals: I guess ;)
[18:15] <frals> larsgk: yeah, theres quite a few cases to consider, which i dont think is in scope of the clock app... but i might be wrong :)
[18:15] <KevinWright> frals: we can do things iteratively. Must have basic clock that simply tells time as a first step. Then map out the second wave of features
[18:16] <KevinWright> frals: support for alarms as suggested. I suspect a service would be needed
[18:16] <frals> KevinWright: ok - the alarm stuff is marked as must. either way if its something clock team is responsible for its quite a huge task and something that needs to be started asap
[18:17] <kuifei> or, do we really need it to tell time? time is always in the indicator, right?
[18:17] <frals> ... and need to find the people in other teams that need similar functionality (eg calendar will need same stuff) and make sure it fits
[18:18] <larsgk> KevinWright: do you know if there will be an RSS meeting today? - else, I gotta run
[18:18] <KevinWright> frals: good point
[18:18] <KevinWright> larsgk: let's sync tomorrow
[18:18] <larsgk> KevinWright: ok - thanks .. ttyl
[18:18] <KevinWright> larsgk: ttyl
[18:19] <KevinWright> frals: would it make sense then to join forces with the calendar team on those common bits?
[18:20] <frals> KevinWright: yeah... is there some kind of uber architect that decides what libs get to be in the system etc?
[18:20] <frals> because like... a framework like the one for reminders/alarms is kinda important that it works and you know... doesnt suck ;)
[18:21] <KevinWright> frals: let me follow up with you on the deeper bits later
[18:21] <mhall119> can I get a quick show of hands, who is here for the Clock app?
[18:21] <frals> KevinWright: sure
[18:21] <frals> o/
[18:21] <KevinWright> frals and kuifei
[18:22] <mhall119> ok, and who is here for Calculator?
[18:22] <rferrazz> me
[18:22] <daliusd> and me
[18:22] <mhall119> ok, in case you guys aren't aware, there was a new trunk branch pushed to the projects this morning
[18:23] <mhall119> this contains new template code that is 100% QML, using new SDK components
[18:23] <daliusd> that's good :)
[18:23] <mhall119> so if you have an old branch that you're working on, you'll need to get this new one
[18:23] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: should we brainstorm the basic features
[18:23] <mhall119> we have some documentation on the development process here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide
[18:23] <wastrel> this would appear to be a scheduled event
[18:24] <mhall119> that includes how to submit your changes as merge proposals back to the trunk branch
[18:24] <DanielDressler> for working with launchpad and the coreapps: do I need to be a member of the app's team to push to a new branch and propose for merging?
[18:24] <rferrazz> nice
[18:24] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: for the clock app
[18:24] <mhall119> DanielDressler: you need to be a member to commit to trunk, but anybody can submit a branch for a merge proposal
[18:24] <DanielDressler> nice thank you
[18:24] <mhall119> even team members should submit changes as a merge proposal that gets reviewed by someone else on the tema
[18:25] <kuifei> sure
[18:25] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: starting with a couple of basic things we can make a work item or two for
[18:25] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: maybe UI centric at first
[18:25] <rferrazz> so we can start coding (for calculator backend)
[18:25] <frals> KevinWright: sure, but i really want to limit the scope of the clock app so we know how much/little work there is to do as well
[18:25] <KevinWright> rferrazz: yes, throw out some ideas for that would be great
[18:25] <KevinWright> frals: agreed
[18:26] <frals> KevinWright, kuifei: ill start... show local time. ;-)
[18:26] <KevinWright> frals: +1
[18:26] <KevinWright> frals: change time zone
[18:26] <daliusd> rferrazz: I think we can do frontend as well. What's your vision for backend?
[18:26] <kuifei> good idea
[18:26] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: set alarm
[18:26] <frals> (KevinWright: are you taking meeting minutes and stuff?)
[18:27] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: I will make the minutes and record action items
[18:27] <kuifei> setting alarms should be the core
[18:27] <frals> KevinWright: is changing time zone something for the clock app, or for the system settings? i think we should provide a shortcut to the system settings to change timezone/region
[18:27] <rferrazz> thinking of parsing the calculation string (at least for scientific mode)
[18:28] <mhall119> frals: for system settings I would think ,and a shortcut would be good, but all of that can wait until the phone code itself is released
[18:28] <KevinWright> frals: yes, I was just looking at my andoid alarm app and it has a world clock
[18:28] <frals> KevinWright, kuifei: +1 for setting alarms (need info from KevinWright on how much of actual scheduling of alarm etc is implemented by us/vs lower level platform stuff)
[18:28] <daliusd> rferrazz, OK. I think we can parse strings in non scientific mode as well
[18:28] <rferrazz> daliusd, is there any final design for the frontend?
[18:28] <kuifei> we need think about the division between the clock/alarm app and the system settings
[18:29] <daliusd> rferrazz, mhall119 said that there might be never exist final one :)
[18:29] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: we can work on the UI for the alarm setting without knowing the deeper bits at first I imagine, at least to some degree
[18:29] <frals> kuifei: +1, i think showing the current local time (maybe additional optional tz as well) is a good starting point, and leave changing to system settings
[18:30] <mhall119> agreed
[18:30] <rferrazz> daliusd: ok, so we can pick the better ideas out from balsamiq and make our calculator
[18:30] <daliusd> rferrazz: I agree :-)
[18:31] <kuifei> a clock showing the current time, but not editable; then a list of alarms bellow this clock
[18:31] <daliusd> rferrazz: what we will use for calculations? JavaScript (V8 engine) or C++?
[18:31] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: do we have enough info for creating the set alarm view?
[18:31] <rferrazz> daliusd, i thnk c++ is a better choice
[18:31] <mhall119> daliusd: QML+Javascript is the preferred
[18:32] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: I mean enough design info
[18:32] <mhall119> unless there's a very good reason for using C++
[18:32] <frals> KevinWright, kuifei: depends how complicated we want the recurrency rules for the alarm view ;-)
[18:32] <KevinWright> frals: simple
[18:32] <kuifei> no, i didn't find any UI design for clock app
[18:32] <KevinWright> frals: I mean keep it simple
[18:32] <frals> KevinWright, kuifei: the only designs i found were https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+and+Weather+App but it seems... mixed up with weather
[18:32] <daliusd> mhall119, C++ might be slightly faster for math while V8 engine proved to be quite fast
[18:33] <KevinWright> mhall119: any idea about what frals just mentioned about designs?
[18:33] <DanielDressler> I would be surprised is performance proved an issue with the clock app
[18:33] <kuifei> thanks frals, for the link
[18:33] <rferrazz> daliusd, mhall119: ok, we can start with javascript
[18:33] <daliusd> DanielDressler, there are two meetings going on here :-) performance might be issue for calc app
[18:34] <KevinWright> daliusd: that's my fault
[18:34] <daliusd> OK. JavaScript :)
[18:34] <DanielDressler> daliusd: ah sorry I really am new
[18:35] <daliusd> rferrazz: OK I will try to do something with frontend then
[18:35] <DanielDressler> so does that mean there will be a meeting for the file manaer?
[18:35] <KevinWright> dmd, I'll send you a message later about it
[18:36] <dmd> KevinWright: thank you
[18:36] <kuifei> frals, i think we could start the alarm based on the UI design
[18:36] <frals> kuifei: yeah, should be doable
[18:37] <kuifei> other features about clock/alarms, indicator on the top bar, indicator on the lock screen, ...
[18:37] <frals> hmm, am i stupid or is there no search function on mybalsamiq? finding more clock designs now... theres a whole bunch of them
[18:37] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: so who might like to take care of the add/edit alarm view?
[18:37] <daliusd> rferrazz: does it look like a plan?
[18:38] <daliusd> rferrazz: I think it would be nice to have unit-tests for backend as well. Not sure how however :)
[18:38] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei:and I assume a view that shows current alarms already set
[18:38] <frals> kuifei, KevinWright: https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/ClockAlarmApp-DominicRichardsonMatthewStevens https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Alarms+-+Timer+-+Stopwatch+%285th+idea%29
[18:38] <rferrazz> daliusd,yes but first we need to place in a basic structure
[18:39] <frals> KevinWright: should we just pick one of the designs we like and start working from that or how does this work? :)
[18:39] <daliusd> It might be possible that it is already in place
[18:39] <daliusd> at least older version had structure
[18:39] <KevinWright> daliusd, rferrazz: I didn't forget you guys but you look like you are taking care of business :)
[18:39] <KevinWright> frals: I think that sounds like a plan
[18:40] <rferrazz> daliusd: like placing the backend bones before start writing the frontend
[18:40] <kuifei> so which one should we take?
[18:41] <daliusd> rferrazz: frame is in place already http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calculator-dev/ubuntu-calculator-app/trunk/files
[18:41] <frals> kuifei: im going through mybalsamiq to check if i can find more clock mockups atm
[18:41] <daliusd> rferrazz: I believe backend will be in *.js file anyway
[18:41] <frals> kuifei, KevinWright: we should probably sync up the ui for creating alarm with the one calendar creates for setting a reminder
[18:42] <daliusd> rferrazz: initially you can place file in the same folder as it is. Later we will move around everything if there will be need.
[18:42] <mhall119> KevinWright: sorry, what was that about design?
[18:42] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: yes I agree syncing with the calendar
[18:43] <daliusd> rferrazz: and I think I have idea for unit-tests as well. We could create other qml-app that will simply run and lists tests in ListView
[18:43] <KevinWright> mhall119: why clock and weather are mixed together at the link above ... I'm not familiar with balsamiq
[18:43] <rferrazz> daliusd: ok so i'll start with the backend
[18:44] <daliusd> rferraz: OK. I think that's it for today unless Kevin has something to add
[18:44] <kuifei> frals, KevinWright: I think I'll just trying to implement the UIs in the first link
[18:44] <daliusd> KevinWright: do you have anything else to say for us?
[18:44] <frals> kuifei, KevinWright: https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Timer+-+Stopwatch+-+Alarms https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+and+Weather+App https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Countdown+-+Stopwatch
[18:44] <frals> kuifei, KevinWright: https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/ClockAlarmApp-DominicRichardsonMatthewStevens https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Alarms+-+Timer+-+Stopwatch+%285th+idea%29
[18:45] <frals> kuifei, KevinWright: so we got 5 different proposals now - and now clue how they align with calendars work on reminders :)
[18:45] <KevinWright> daliusd: sounds like you two have a plan hatched
[18:45] <mhall119> KevinWright: it doesn't look like we have any clock mockups linked to the wiki
[18:45] <rferrazz> daliusd, sounds good
[18:45] <mhall119> frals: can you add those links to the wiki page for the clock?
[18:45] <mhall119> KevinWright: which link has the mockups mixedup?
[18:45] <KevinWright> daliusd, rferrazz: I can make some meeting notes from the irc channel and send then to you to later to validate the plan
[18:46] <frals> mhall119: sure
[18:46] <mhall119> thanks frals
[18:46] <KevinWright> https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+and+Weather+App
[18:46] <daliusd> KevinWright: OK
[18:46] <rferrazz> daliusd, KevinWright: sure!
[18:46] <KevinWright>  daliusd, rferrazz: apologies for making it confusing with two discussions
[18:46] <daliusd> rferrazz: let's work ;-) Bye for now
[18:46] <mhall119> KevinWright: looks like one person did them both together, instead of separately
[18:47] <rferrazz> daliusd: bye :-)
[18:47] <mhall119> not a big deal, they can be linked to from both clock and weather wiki pages
[18:48] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: should we make an action item to decide on a specific design
[18:48] <frals> KevinWright, kuifei: yes, and it should align with calendars reminder design (at least for alarms)
[18:49] <kuifei> KevinWright: I think so.
[18:49] <kuifei> i like this one very much, https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+-+Alarms+-+Timer+-+Stopwatch+%285th+idea%29
[18:50] <KevinWright> kuifei: I like that one too. fral, what do you think?
[18:50] <KevinWright> frals what do you think
[18:50] <frals> KevinWright: and we also need an action item to get a system level overview of whats available for e.g. reminders/alarms
[18:51] <KevinWright> frals: that one is mine
[18:51] <frals> kuifei, KevinWright: looks alright. i *hate* the way its designed to pick time there (coming from N9 which has the best time picker ever ;))
[18:51] <KevinWright> frals: I'll have to charge my n9 battery and take a look
[18:51] <KevinWright> frals: have not turned it on in a while
[18:52] <frals> KevinWright, kuifei: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFOHc5z_fCU
[18:53] <KevinWright> frals: no I remember
[18:53] <KevinWright> frals: you are right
[18:54] <KevinWright> frals: even just the plain analogue clock is sweet
[18:54] <frals> KevinWright, kuifei: if we can incorporate a timepicker like the youtube link the design kuifei linked works for me ;)
[18:55] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: that sounds like a plan to me
[18:55] <kuifei> cool
[18:55] <frals> KevinWright: yeah, the design team on the n9 was ace
[18:56] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: OK so since timepicker is up in the air, what specific area would each of you look into out of that design?
[18:56] <kuifei> the video makes me miss my lost N9 again.
[18:56] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: I see 4 views
[18:56] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: clock, alarms, stopwatch, timer
[18:57] <frals> KevinWright, kuifei: i could start with the main clock view i guess -- and when the rest of our team shows up its easy to split in to components
[18:57] <kuifei> I may try the clock first
[18:58] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: that's two for clock
[18:58] <frals> np, i can start on the alarms view instead then
[18:58] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: ok that works
[18:58] <KevinWright> kuifei for clock and frals for alarm view
[18:58] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: done
[18:58] <frals> since we have something like 5 (or smth) more team members i guess we will get plenty of help anyway ;)
[18:59] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: I'll type up meeting notes and send them out to the whole team
[18:59] <KevinWright> frals: yup
[18:59] <ajalkane> this might be nice start for timepicker like N9: https://gitorious.org/harmattan-timepicker/harmattan-timepicker/blobs/master/TimePicker.qml
[18:59] <kuifei> thanks.
[19:00] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: alright, thanks for the great meeting, and sorry for the confusion earlier on
[19:00] <frals> bah the ubuntu wiki hates me with a passion, cant update the clockapp page
[19:00] <frals> KevinWright: add an action to update the wiki page with selected design we start with and links to the other designs
[19:00] <KevinWright> mhall119, can frals update the wiki page or does something special need to happen first?
[19:01] <KevinWright> frals: will do
[19:01] <mhall119> nope, anybody can update the wiki
[19:01] <frals> getting a 500 internal server error when signing in
[19:01] <mhall119> except when it fails
[19:01] <mhall119> :(
[19:02] <kuifei> :)
[19:03] <KevinWright> frals, kuifei: thanks again guys. chat with you soon. Cheers!
[19:03] <frals> KevinWright, kuifei: cheers, laters
[19:03] <dmd> does any one have an idea where ubuntu sticks nautilus's folder icon? I am searching /usr/share/icons but I'm going a bit crazy
[19:03] <kuifei> KevinWright, frals: Cheers!
[19:04] <mhall119> dmd: they are determined by the icon theme the user has chosen
[19:04] <mhall119> I think the default is still Humanity
[19:04] <dmd> thank you that does narrow my search
[19:05] <mhall119> dmd: why?
[19:05] <wastrel> /usr/share/icons/Humanity/places/48/gnome-folder.svg
[19:05] <dmd> I want to throw together a prototype of the file manager
[19:06] <dmd> wastrel: Thank you!
[19:06] <mhall119> you should use icon names, not paths to files, so they will change appropriately with the icon theme
[19:06] <dmd> oh that does sound like a good idea
[19:06] <wastrel> /usr/share/icons/Humanity/places/48/stock_folder.svg seems to be the same
[19:06] <mhall119> I think QML will do the proper icon lookup for you
[19:06] <dmd> now I need to figure that out
[19:06] <mhall119> try just using "stock_folder" or something like that for the icon
[19:07] <mhall119> dmd: see http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html for the standard naming conventions
[19:08] <dmd> nice
[19:08] <mhall119> bzoltan: jppiiroi1en: can you guys confirm that QML support this for icons?
[19:09] <dmd> the toolbars.qml is using "iconSource: Qt.resolvedUrl(filename)" is that about what I should use?
[19:09] <mhall119> dmd: can you give me a link to that file?
[19:09] <dmd> it is from the example use app
[19:09] <dmd> sec
[19:10] <dmd> /usr/lib/qt-components-ubuntu/demos/Toolbars.qml
[19:11] <frals> KevinWright, mhall119: the wiki signs me out everytime i get to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/Clock, if either of you could update the page with the design instead of me i'd be grateful
[19:12] <KevinWright> frals: I'll take care of it sometime in the next 12-24 hours
[19:12] <frals> KevinWright: cheers
[19:12] <mhall119> dmd: ah, those appear to be using images local to the application, not system-wide icons determined by the user's icon theme
[19:12] <KevinWright> frals: (or maybe less)
[19:12] <mhall119> frals: have you tried shift-refreshing to see if it's maybe just giving you a cached page?
[19:13] <frals> mhall119: yeah, no luck still :(
[19:13] <mhall119> bzoltan: jppiiroi1en: Mirv: can someone help frals with this?
[19:14] <mhall119> frals: those guys are all UTC+1 or +2 I think, so they may not be online anymore
[19:14] <frals> no worries, ill try again tomorrow - could be some delay because i had to approve wiki access to my account info or some crap on my end -- have to go afk now
[19:14] <frals> gnite all
[19:16] <dmd> mhall119: I am very new to qml. How should I get the folder icon through the proper method?
[19:16] <mhall119> dmd: I'm very new to QML as well, so I don't know exactly
[19:17] <dmd> ok then hacky solution time: copy&paste
[19:20] <dmd> I must say that qml with its json basis is much nicer than android's xml
[19:21] <ajalkane> dmd: depends on how Ubuntu has implemented image provider. See: http://doc.qt.digia.com/stable/qdeclarativeimageprovider.html
[19:22] <dmd> ajalkane: thank you
[20:20] <wastrel> so was that burst of activity a regularly scheduled thing?
[20:20] <dmd> I think they were having a meeting
[20:20] <dmd> for the calender and then the calculator
[20:21] <dmd> oh maybe dmd will not work as a nick
[20:33] <dmd> does qml have something like css's classes?
[20:34] <dmd> Is there a way make an element inherit a style? for example margins
[20:43] <ajalkane> dmd: Ubuntu implements something like CSS styles for QML but I don't know enough about them yet. In traditional QML you create components by composition instead of inheritance
[20:44] <dmd> sorry inheritance is by most chances going to be the wrong word
[20:44] <dmd> any idea of any examples for the ubntu styles?
[20:46] <ajalkane> dmd: see if this gives you some ideas: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/theming-components.html
[20:46] <dmd> thank you!
[20:46] <dmd> It looks like there is a lot more on the wiki than I thought
[20:47] <ajalkane> There's frankly not lot... but what's there is pretty good for getting started.
[20:48] <wastrel> dmd: what are you writing?
[20:49] <dmd> I want to try my hand at the file manager
[20:49] <dmd> so I'm mocking up the ui then I'll hack in basic file navigation
[20:49] <ajalkane> are you in the file manager team?
[20:49] <dmd> nope, I have no idea what is going on
[20:50] <ajalkane> ok, just wondered if anythings going on. Someone doing something is better than nothing happening at all.
[20:50] <dmd> I contacted Till who was my mentor two years ago asking him about how I could help with ubuntu phone and he pointed me to this chat room
[20:51] <dmd> I figure before I try to make anything offical I should prove to myself I can get something working
[20:51] <ajalkane> are you basing the mocks on any suggestions given in the community pages?
[20:51] <dmd> I want to go from the one in basmic but..
[20:51] <dmd> I do not think the accordian view of multiple file sources will work well on mobile
[20:52] <dmd> instead ubuntu has these cool views you can swip between
[20:52] <dmd> I think those would work better for different locations, like network shares vs local vs sd card
[20:52] <ajalkane> IMO it's best to start with the bare basics, getting the basics working, and then tackle the harder parts.
[20:53] <dmd> yeah
[20:53] <dmd> so far I have mocked in fake folders and fake files
[20:53] <dmd> I'm mocking in the context menu next
[21:12] <dmd> KevinWright: how might I go about going a team?
[21:48] <dmdrummond> dmd: There is a form here http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/#step-get-involved
[21:49] <dmd> dmdrummond: thank you will fill that out
[23:19] <nOStahl> hows it going guys
[23:20] <dmd> everyone appears to be afk, or working
[23:20] <nOStahl> ah
[23:20] <nOStahl> me - I'm playing with my new gitlab server
[23:21] <dmd> nice
[23:22] <dmd> have a use in mind?
[23:22] <nOStahl> I'm really REALY liking gitlab so far
[23:27] <nOStahl> cant wait for ubuntu phone
[23:27] <nOStahl> wish I did not buy the iPhone 5 last month now haha
[23:27] <dmd> yeah I can imagine
[23:27] <dmd> not going to get a port for a little while
[23:28] <nOStahl> what I really wish is that I could install ubuntu phone on my iPhone 5
[23:28] <dmd> it is nice hardware
[23:28] <nOStahl> aye
[23:28] <dmd> did they get rid of the glass back?
[23:28] <nOStahl> ya
[23:28] <dmd> nice
[23:29] <dmd> I have the nexus 4 and the back is already scratched up. I refuse to use a case
[23:29] <dmd> no phone should need a case
[23:29] <dmd> I think they used a glass back since it trains you to grip the sides
[23:29] <nOStahl> unless you want it to change the look
[23:29] <nOStahl> I don't use a case on the iPhone 5
[23:30] <nOStahl> just make sure to keep keys in diff pocket etc
[23:30] <dmd> yeah I've cleaned out a pocket in my bag
[23:30] <dmd> only phone and tissue
[23:31] <nOStahl> gah I'd really like ubuntu phone on this iphone
[23:31] <dmd> one option that may work in the future is the chinese iphone knockoff
[23:31] <dmd> at least those have unlocked boot loaders
[23:32] <nOStahl> aye
[23:32] <nOStahl> any word on cdma work
[23:32] <dmd> no idea
[23:40] <nOStahl> so I had watched the keynote on ubuntu for phones
[23:41] <nOStahl> they didn't cover, is this going to be where we can dock it and use full blown ubuntu ?