[02:14] wait, if this channel was created 1.3 years ago is that about when the ubuntu phone project started? [02:17] As 12.10 does not work with my netbook I am on 12.04, does ubuntu phone development environment work on 12.04 [02:17] ? [02:23] not sure [02:23] why does 12.10 not work [02:24] it works on my eee pc 901 perfectly [02:25] I am not sure. It is a aspire one D270 [02:25] I tried 12.10 and it got through live cd fine but black screened after install [02:25] My desktop and laptop have 12.10 though [02:25] but I use the netbook for class [02:25] simple fix [02:26] google black screen [02:26] ubuntu 12.10 blackscreen boot [02:26] is it a common issue? [02:26] nope [02:26] I don't remember finding anything helpful back when I was troubleshooting === danieru_ is now known as DanielDressler [02:57] I do have qt-components-ubuntu installed which depends on qt5 which is also installed, but I cannot find the qmlscene binary [02:57] Any ideas? [03:02] ah found it, find to the rescue. It was /usr/bin/qmlscene [03:04] so either my install is odd but the tutorial uses /opt/qt5/bin/qmlscene [03:11] awesome, the tutorial code is now working === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI === laknudse is now known as larsgk === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === defiantredpill is now known as user8765 === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === msorvig_ is now known as msorvig === fk_lx1 is now known as fk_lx === nOStahl_ is now known as nOStahl [14:20] any news on if that welcome screen is coming to desktop ubuntu as well? [14:21] not heard anything on that topic yet myself [14:27] I'm real excited for this heh [14:27] yeah :) [14:27] any rumors on a nexus4 image? [14:27] none [14:28] there won't be until source is released [14:28] i hope the ubuntu-phone guys are not still in backorder-limbo :) [14:28] then there will be plenty of people porting it to everything under the sun === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI [14:30] any word on when they will do ubuntu for tablets ? [14:56] out of the many questions I have, the most immediate one is, will the images be for the international Galaxy Nexus only? Or the GSM versions only? Or all? Because I have a Toro (VZW), and it'd be nice to know if I'll be waiting for images or if it'll be included in the initial release... [14:57] but I'm sure I'll find out soon enough? [15:09] usererror: I asked the same question, initially the image will be released for the GSM Galaxy Nexus [15:10] usererror: However, there appears to be much interest to port it to the other GN models, and after the image and source code are released this effort can begin. [15:13] :) ty ryansipes.. that is what I figured would happen, but it is good to know for sure [15:13] usererror: The response I got on the mailing list was: "The GSM model is the only one being targeted right now. The OS may run on the other models, but it wouldn't be able to use the phone or 3G/4G data functionality. [15:13] usererror: So if it isn't your primary phone you could still play with it possibly. Haha. [15:14] fun lol === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi [15:16] Yeah, using a phone without the "phone" functionality doesn't seem all that enticing. [15:16] But if you just want to test your app or something it might not be all that bad. [15:17] And I'm sure it will only be a short time before someone ports the image to another phone, considering Ubuntu Phone OS can allegedly use Android drivers. [15:19] thats what we're hoping ☺ [15:19] s/allegedly// [15:19] i have a galaxy nexus ♥ [15:21] popey: That is exciting if it can use them with relative ease. I know many people who have older Android phones, and I bet Ubuntu Phone could breathe new life into them. [15:22] having it on N9 would be great! [15:23] I have no idea which phones would be capable of running it, that's what the community and people like xda-developers are for, they know this stuff ;) [15:25] popey: Yeah, I just figure without the java element thrown in there (as with Android), it will be able to run on phones with less capable hardware. [15:26] popey: Because it won't have to bother with the virtual machine that Android does. [15:27] ravirdv_: Yeah, I'm sure a lot of N9 owners would appreciate that. [15:28] ravirdv_: The N9's specs aren't that bad, it's not dual core like the Galaxy Nexus but it has the same amount of RAM === Lexmazter_ is now known as Lexmazter [15:59] wish I could install ubuntu for phone on my iPhone 5 [15:59] LOL - no chance of that === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ [16:04] it'd sure be nice [16:53] mhall119: hi [16:53] hi larsgk [16:54] mhall119: I have been a bit behind on things as I just had a new baby. I'm a bit uncertain on if we are already digging in code - or the designers need to do some polishing (or we are the designers)? [16:55] * larsgk I am Lars Knudsen, on the RSS Feeder app [16:55] larsgk: the designs were done on Balsamiq, we haven't started coding yet, but would like to start on that soon [16:55] I just pushed new bzr branches to each of the projects with an updated template [16:55] has the ubuntu phone sdk changed at all? I installed it last night from the instructions on 12.04 but my qmlscene is in a different directory vs the tutorial. Find found two qmlscenes in /usr/bin/qmlscene [16:55] /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene [16:56] DanielDressler: yes, the switch from qt5-beta1 to qt5-proper PPA changed the install location, the tutorial hasn't been updated yet [16:56] mhall119: ok - and when we start coding, do we then work in the master branch? (I did a small commit on a build error already - but don't know if you prefer things in a separate branch) [16:57] is /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene the proper qt5 one? [16:57] larsgk: the process will be to push to a separate branch, and then create a merge proposal for it in Launchpad [16:57] DanielDressler: I think /usr/bin/qmlscene is the one you want, it will automatically pick the qt4 or qt5 version depending on your target qml [16:57] the qt5-proper install screwed my 12.04/qt4 btw ;) .. and I am on a contract dependent on qt4.. oh well.. fixed it manually [16:58] very nice. I have been using that one and it has been working but I thought that might just be by chance [16:58] larsgk: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide, specifically the sections "Using Bzr" and "Using Launchpad" [16:58] mhall119: ok - I am new to launchpad/bzr - thanks for the links [16:59] larsgk: jppiiroi1en where should he file a bug about conflicts between qt4 and qt5? [16:59] larsgk: no problem, the whole page is all about developing these core apps, so worth reading before you get started [17:00] mhall119: do we just do an update on the sdk package to get the pure QML2 version? [17:00] Hey ho Calendar App people! [17:01] larsgk: no, you'll need to do a new checkout of the project branch [17:01] mhall119: ok [17:01] so bzr branch lp:ubuntu-rssreader-app ./new-template [17:01] mhall119: thanks :) [17:01] KevinWright, i'm here! [17:01] but the new template is very nice, provides the top-tabs and bottom-toolbar for you, just like the phone demo shows [17:02] mhall119: sounds good :) . o O (thanks Nokia - for the investment in Qt5/QML2) ;) [17:04] KevinWright: is there an agenda doc or anything for this meeting? [17:04] mhall119: blueprint only [17:04] mhall119: and nothing in it! [17:04] mhall119: we need to fill it up [17:04] that can be corrected :) [17:05] links for those interested in following along: [17:05] wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/Calendar [17:05] Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+spec/initial-calendar-development [17:07] are Aleksandr, frank, Steven, Kunal, Mario B., or Mario Z. here? [17:07] frank == frank [17:07] * mariob is here [17:07] mariob: hey! [17:07] KevinWright: Hi [17:07] hey mariob [17:07] mhall119: Hi [17:07] mhall119: thanks for pasting those links [17:08] np [17:08] mariob, mhall119: let's wait a moment. maybe it will be a small and short chat [17:08] KevinWright: Hi [17:09] KevinWright: np [17:09] sunil_: hi there [17:09] frankencode are you here? [17:09] KevinWright: I'm not sure if you included Mario Z in the invitation mail [17:09] mariob, sunil_: did you have a chance to look at the resources? [17:10] mariob: maybe he was a later addition to the mailing list [17:10] KevinWright: Have browswd it quickly [17:10] mariob, sunil_: and have you been able to install the ubuntu-sdk + components? [17:11] no issues [17:11] mariob: excellent [17:11] yap. just got the update [17:11] mariob, sunil_: have you have a chance to go through the tutorial at developer.ubuntu.com? [17:12] But I hvan't checkout the new stuff mhall119 mailed out [17:12] yes [17:12] KevinWright: Yes [17:12] mariob, sunil_: awesome [17:12] mariob: it's simplified version of what's in the tutorial [17:12] just run "qmlscene calendar.qml" [17:12] mhall119: ok [17:13] you should also be able to open the .qmlproject in QtCreator and run it from there [17:13] mariob, sunil_: so in the wiki link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/Calendar there should be a rough sketch of the plan [17:14] mariob, sunil_: but we need to fill in more detail [17:14] mariob, sunil_: and make some work items [17:14] KevinWright: sure [17:14] KevinWright: let me check the plan [17:14] sunil_: np take your time [17:14] mariob, sunil_: so we should validate the user stories, functionality etc. [17:15] mariob, sunil_: it does not need to be perfect of course [17:15] mhall119: yes [17:15] mariob, sunil_: we can add/update anytime [17:15] frankencode: ah, good, calendar meeting time :) [17:15] KevinWright:okey [17:15] hey frankencode [17:15] hey [17:15] frankencode did you catch the earlier part of the discussion? [17:16] we didn't get so far into it yet [17:16] i'm scanning it [17:16] frankencode, np [17:16] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: anything you can think of to add to the functionality or use cases in the wiki [17:16] i had an issue with the code template for the apps to work with qt5 on 13.04 [17:16] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: or just thoughts off the top of your head [17:17] frankencode: what was the issue [17:17] frankencode: there's a new code template, just pushed this morning [17:17] q: what is the difference between qt5-proper and Qt5.0.x from Troll...Nok..Digia? [17:18] jppiiroi1en: Mirv: ^^ can either of you answer that? [17:18] the hack with setting the app name went infunctional [17:18] mhall119: do we have designs for mariob, sunil_, frankencode [17:18] KevinWright:okey, will send them to you [17:18] rootObject() vs rootItem() i think [17:18] sunil_ or you can mention them here [17:18] KevinWright: only the Balsamiq ones linked to from the wiki [17:18] mhall119: better than nothing! [17:18] there are some good use cases on myalsamiq [17:19] i looked at it yesterday [17:19] frankencode: the new template is 100% QML [17:19] KevinWright: are we targeting specfically for Phones. [17:19] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: should we write up the use cases based on what is in balsamiq [17:19] real artists need a white sheet of paper;) [17:19] sunil_ yes [17:19] KevinWright: okey [17:20] KevinWright: sure [17:20] KevinWright: is the calender will be online or offline only [17:20] i heard the strategy is to go feature phone first [17:20] KevinWright: but there's already a couple of stories on the wiki, right? [17:20] not sure if it holds true [17:20] sunil_ at least offline, also online would be nice [17:21] mariob: yes I wrote those up...they are not set in stone [17:21] frankencode: the feature phone requirements are a subset of the smartphone requirements, so it makes sense we'll have it first [17:21] mariob: but if they are good enough then that is fine [17:21] KevinWright: means only with U1 not XChange or GCal [17:21] KevinWright: no, but their a good starting point [17:21] mhall119: that's what i was thinking [17:22] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: I suspect supporting U1 should be must have if we can also do online [17:22] U1? [17:22] Ubuntu One [17:22] our cloud-syncing service [17:22] ahh [17:22] clear [17:23] is it xml or json, api wise? [17:23] KevinWright: okey [17:23] mariob, sunil_, frankencode but I think the first stage is to get a local app [17:23] KevinWright: agree [17:23] KevinWright: Should we use QOrganizer? That would make it transparent w/ plugins, right? [17:23] frankencode: I'm not sure, but the info should be here: https://one.ubuntu.com/developer/ [17:23] ok [17:24] KevinWright: sorry, QtOrganizer from the mobility project [17:24] mariob: Yep I knew what you meant [17:24] mariob: although I'm not familiar with the whol API [17:24] whole [17:24] sunil_, mariob: i experimented already with the month view [17:25] KevinWright: There's already QML bindings etc [17:25] frankencode: is it easy to work with? [17:25] tried a nice flicking with month-wise snapping, but figured it feels crappy... [17:25] mariob: that's what we need [17:26] KevinWright: easy to work with what? [17:26] mhall119: larsgk: packaging at least [17:26] frankencode: sorry I might have misunderstood what you said earlier [17:27] mariob: about the stuff from mobility ... in what state is it? [17:27] frankencode: ignoer my commment [17:27] ignore [17:27] mariob: it was my impression that the mobility stuff was not exactly on par with core qt [17:27] larsgk: Not sure, maybe we can check w/ digia [17:27] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: so what are some of the first steps we need [17:27] larsgk: Not all of the modules [17:28] i suggest we start from goundup make it simple to use. then existing onces [17:28] i tried qtpim, but couldn't make it compile with qt5;) [17:28] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: any extra information needed at this stage or just start to make work items? [17:28] mariob: ok .. because I remember some that were not that ...great ;) .. but it could be that the organizer is (didn't work with that one) [17:28] +1 to sunil_'s idea, start simple just to get started [17:28] KevinWright: designer input ! [17:29] larsgk: But I'm sure they better than starting from scratch :) [17:29] sunil_ +1 [17:29] KevinWright: I'd go for creating the UI [17:29] i'm on go, too [17:29] mariob: ;) [17:29] sunil_: anything specific you want from the designers? [17:30] my next work item, is to try another month view, look at the balsamiq input [17:30] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: so someone want to take care of another view? [17:30] I'm filling out the contributer aggreement and it is asking for "Canonical Project Manager or contact". Who should i put there? [17:31] mariob, sunil_: day? week? view [17:31] DanielDressler: put Kevin Wright [17:31] mhall119: thank you [17:31] np [17:31] KevinWright: I can take a look at the day view [17:31] mariob: OK [17:31] sunil_ you OK with day view? [17:32] yes. actually if rather we start by coding . if we get designer to guide us then the day/week/month views will be uniform. just a suggestion [17:32] sure [17:32] day_view is okey with me [17:32] i tried already to get the month view in ubuntu shapes [17:33] but it looks cluttered [17:33] KevinWright: Should I do the edit view then since sunil_ is doing the day view? [17:33] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: design input is of course needed but we can still work on the models for each view [17:33] ultimatly i think the design will look not much different than a calendar on the wall [17:33] mariob: whoops [17:33] of course in full ubuntu fidelity [17:33] KevinWright: np for me [17:33] mariob: sorry my mistake I should have said week to sunil_ [17:34] either one is fine with me [17:34] KevinWright: I can take Week since I like Week view :) [17:34] mariob, sunil_: you are more into c++ or qml/js? [17:34] mariob: sure that sounds good, sorry for that mistake :) [17:34] Can we develop totally natively or do we need qml? [17:34] mariob: you preference [17:34] will ubuntu phone have something similar to android's intents? [17:34] frankencode: I like QML :) but I do C++ too [17:34] sunil_: Ok, I'll take the week view then :) [17:34] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: we want to encourage a very QML centric approach as much as possible [17:34] DanielDressler: not yet, no [17:34] lot of C++ and 1 year QML [17:35] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: as in declarative heavy [17:35] KevinWrigt: +1 [17:35] KevinWright: Lot's of QML last 2 years, less C++ [17:35] KevinWright: is fun to work [17:35] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: so push as much in that direction as possible [17:35] KevinWright: Sounds good [17:36] KevinWright: Okey [17:36] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: use C++ in a plugin if you need to [17:36] mariob, sunil_: please ignore the exiting MonthModel.cpp, it's just an early prototype, i'm in rewrite today [17:36] mhall119: is it on the roadmap. I ask because I am interested in the file manager since coming from android ever app goes and reimplements a file browser. If ubuntu phone will ship with a file browser by default then that could mean great propress vs the current android situation [17:36] sorry I missed at least one '?' [17:37] KevinWright: That's why I though QtOrganizer would be good since it already have QML bindings, but it might be too heavy, not sure [17:37] KevinWright: just one question. Is the UbuntuPhone Components only used .. or can use others? [17:37] KevinWright: But I can't say in what state the module is in Qt5 [17:37] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: for the UI itself please use the Ubuntu components [17:38] DanielDressler: I don't know if it's on the roadmap yet === Lexmazter_ is now known as Lexmazter [17:38] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: but other available plugins we caan utilize for other functions [17:38] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: if there is something missing from Ubuntu components for the UI don't be afraid to bring it up [17:38] i did the currency converter tutorial what do i do next [17:38] mariob: i donot suggest qOrganizer as more desktop app look [17:39] mariob: I'm not sure either [17:39] mariob: we can and should check [17:39] sunil_: no not qOrganizer, but QtOrganizer, just an API: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility/qtorganizer.html [17:39] KevinWright : Okey. [17:40] mariob: could you take an action to check that API? [17:40] sunil_, mariob: you can get the source for the ubuntu components from lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit [17:40] KevinWright: Sure, I can check how the QML bindings look like and maybe write a small example app [17:40] mariob: great! [17:40] mariob: oops. my bad [17:41] sunil_: np :) I also got lite confused when searching for the module [17:41] i think to that ui-toolkit project we can also place feature requests [17:41] ultimatly a date picker will be needed there... [17:42] frankencode: yes [17:42] frankencode: That could actually be as simple as WP or BB10 do it, List view with three columns :) [17:42] qtorganizer: oh, that's a fat api already [17:43] mariob: didn't all things 'mobility' sortof got put on the shelf when they closed down brisbane? [17:43] Yep, but it supports everything you need for PIM :) [17:43] mariob: yea, have get that bb10 sim back running again [17:43] larsgk: somewhat yes [17:44] larsgk: but for some modules it is only temporary [17:44] larsgk: The question is if we should maintain the module or start developing one ourself... [17:44] larsgk: there are still some ex trolls working on mobility for bb10 here in munich [17:44] difficult to kill qt;) [17:44] frankencode: cool :) ... I failed to deliver an app within the timeframe... stuck with the dev device (cool though) [17:44] frankencode: it is indeed [17:45] larsgk: KevinWright frankencode and I'd be supprised if Jolla doesn't use it... [17:45] i surely will have a look at it [17:45] frankencode: Qt is excellent - using it for all current projects .. qtmobility not so much [17:45] mariob, sunil_, frankencode should we wrap up the official part of the meeting? I think we have a good start [17:45] larsgk: qtmobility didn't get the love it deserved :) [17:46] KevinWright: Yes [17:46] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: feel free to continue talking of course [17:46] larsgk: can't agree more... Qt is great ..but .. qtmobility is not [17:47] KevinWright, sunil_ , larsgk , frankencode I have to leave but I'll take a look at the QtOrganizer stuff and see if it works w/ Qt5 and create a small example app [17:47] sunil_: mariob: I especially love the plugin framework - like with qtsensors (soon to come back, I hope) [17:47] mariob: thanks and talk to you soon! [17:47] larsgk: Yes, Qt made by devs for devs :) [17:47] KevinWright: sure. will update the progress on day_view soon [17:47] KevinWright: Thanks bye [17:48] sunil_: again - thanking Nokia for investing in Qt5 .. I really hope it manages to stay as open under Digia [17:48] KevinWright: cu, thx [17:48] mariob, sunil_, frankencode: thanks all! [17:48] KevinWright and all: thanks for now [17:49] KevinWright: thanks. bye [17:49] :) [17:49] larsgk: and thanks to you too [17:49] ;) [17:50] larsgk: i feel nokia dragged Qt to 5 years back ... just by putting name with it [17:50] hmm, been browsing through the docs a bit from a dev perspective.. is there any system diagram that shows all the components that are suppose to be in the os? [17:51] frals: searching for the same too. [17:51] frals: the UI components? or other app dev support? [17:51] frals: same here. [17:51] And what we are allowed to use and not as a dev [17:51] UI components. [17:51] KevinWright: everything except UI components, more or less, which libs are available and stuff like that [17:52] Yep. Anything not Qt related [17:52] yeah [17:53] Can I use libc? glib? PA? OpenGL? Xv? xcb? D-Bus? === iorweth is now known as iorweth_away [17:55] sunil_: actuall - Nokia made sure Qt got ready for mobile [17:55] sunil_: don't know if you worked there? [17:56] larsgk: guess theres quite a few ex-nokians here ;) [17:56] larsgk, sunil_: Nokia also make Qt more open that it was before under Trolltech [17:56] larsgk: m not ex-nokian. [17:56] sunil_: correcting myself... Nokia made sure (with money and pressure - to put on actual phones) that Qt got ready for mobile [17:56] Hi [17:57] daliusd: hey there [17:57] sunil_: Personally, I am in this to do my part for Ubuntu Phone to become what Nokia failed to continue [17:57] frals: is you ever find this info, can you ping me ? :) [17:59] j-b: sure [17:59] frals: thx [17:59] for me Canonical helped Qt more then Nokia by using it in day-to-day products .. not some prototypes. Anyway that is just me. [17:59] larsgk: i think there is no choice, some open linux distro has to make it into the future, where there will be mobile computing devices only [18:00] larsgk: appreciate it. === alesage is now known as alesage|afk [18:01] KevinWright: i assume the clock app intro meeting-thingy will be in this chan since you didnt mention any other info in the mail, right? :) [18:01] sunil_: Qt is used on Symbian and MeeGo devices daily as well ;-) [18:01] Yep time for meeting [18:01] clock app things is expected here? [18:01] frals: my email was confusing [18:02] kuifei: i think so :) [18:03] larsgk KevinWright: Thanks guys. See you soon again. Bye [18:03] sunil_: thanks - ttyl [18:03] frals, kuifei are here for the clock app because of a mistake I made [18:04] KevinWright, and I'm here for calc app :) [18:04] and daliusd, rferraz for calculator [18:04] any RSS Feed Reader app guys here? [18:04] I double booked, yikes :) sorry every one [18:04] KevinWright, no problem [18:04] KevinWright, mistake? [18:04] kuifei my mistake [18:05] kuifei: I accidentally asked two groups to meet at the same time [18:05] no problem though [18:05] I have some general questions for all [18:05] sure [18:06] kuifei, daluisd, larsgk, frals, rferraz: did you have a chance to see all the docs? [18:06] Yes [18:06] yes [18:06] mhall119: can you help me with links for calculator, rss feed, and clock? [18:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone/CoreApps/ has all the app links at the top [18:06] each app page has a blueprint link [18:07] tutorial, guidelines, and the code committed, what else? [18:07] KevinWright: I need to read up on launchpad (general), process, etc. There wasn't much specific to the rss reader [18:07] KevinWright: ive seen some of the docs - ie the getting started stuff, but im looking for (as i mentioned earlier before this meeting) system overview docs [18:07] kuifei: there are specific project details at the links from mhall119 [18:08] larsgk: that's my action item to provide a summary [18:08] sure, I've read them through. [18:09] larsgk: there should be some existing launchpad docs I can point you to [18:09] So design is final? [18:09] btw, do you store an offline version of this channel? [18:09] it's quite simple for the clock app [18:10] KevinWright: ok - more than the rss blueprint/project page? [18:10] daliusd: I don't believe we have final designs. mhall119 [18:10] only what's in balsamiq [18:10] larsgk: not sure about offline - mhall119 again [18:10] and those aren't mandatory designs [18:11] larsgk: what do you mean an offline version? [18:11] KevinWright: there were some initial designs on balsamiq - but I am sure there will be changes as we try our own medicine [18:11] larsgk: yes [18:11] mhall119: just an irc log for those who didn't buy an offline service yet (me ;)) [18:11] larsgk: so maybe concentrating on the backend functionality first will be easier [18:12] larsgk: they should be on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [18:12] frals: at the moment what is available online is the most we have [18:12] mhall119: cool - thanks [18:12] frals: more to come soon [18:12] larsgk: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/12/%23ubuntu-phone.txt for today's [18:13] mhall119: just checked - nice to know, thanks! [18:13] KevinWright: ok, because its kinda important to have so we can scope out the work for clock app - ie how much of the alarm functionality will we have to implement and how much is provided by underlying components, e.g. cron or timed [18:13] larsgk: change .txt to .html for nicer view (if that's important) [18:14] frals: and when the phone is 'off' .. it should still wake up and ring [18:14] frals: I guess ;) [18:15] larsgk: yeah, theres quite a few cases to consider, which i dont think is in scope of the clock app... but i might be wrong :) [18:15]