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pndemcHow can I renice by process name instead of PID?03:28
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RelenScotiaHey everyone06:25
RelenScotiaso if I want to create a ubuntu server 12.04 LTS on OSX for a server06:26
RelenScotiaI should use the OSX tut for creating a bootable flash drive?06:27
railsraiderhi, i get this error: modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-311-ec2/modules.dep: No such file or directory07:19
railsraidercan it be fixed? or do i have to bring up a new server07:19
chmacHow do I enable apache / mysql to start on boot?07:29
chmacI thought they did, but apparently they don't, arg!07:29
aguuuWould anybody recommend a linux distro for amazon cloud services? I am a beginner to linux servers. I just want to install apache, php, maybe node.js and python, etc. Run my own DNS server.07:51
aguuuDo you know how to use the free tier storage when creating a compute unit at amazon cloud?07:55
chmacaguuu: You're on the ubuntu-server channel right?07:55
chmacaguuu: ubuntu-server is a fine choice if you're looking for a generic server...07:56
chmacOtherwise amazon spin their own distro I think, but I've always used ubuntu on ec207:56
aguuuyes i am07:56
aguuubut i'm a little scared of not having the UI. is it easy to install?07:56
chmacaguuu: Amazon will do all the installing for you, all you need to do is log in.07:56
aguuuyes but then i have to install apache, php, etc etc07:57
chmacYou'll be able to log in over ssh and then you'll need to install services / etc with commands like `sudo apt-get install mysql-server`07:57
aguuuhmm07:58
aguuuis it easy enough to install X and VNC, etc? or should i start with ubuntu desktop instead?07:58
chmacaguuu: Unless you have a burning need to get this up and running immediately with the least possible hassle, I'd suggest you buckle up and get ready to learn how to use the console...08:00
chmacaguuu: The basic steps of installing are pretty simple, linode has some great howtos, so did the one that was acquired by rackspace08:00
aguuuyes. that's what i plan to do08:01
aguuubut just in case i struggle too much. is it easy enough to install all the desktop stuff?08:01
chmacI don't know, I don't have any experience with running desktops on servers.08:01
chmacaguuu: I'd guess it'll be easier to fix the issue with the terminal than to install a desktop08:02
aguuulol08:02
chmacWhatever work is involved in installing the desktop is presumably equally or more complicated as installing whatever server tools you want...08:02
chmacaguuu: slicehost, they had some great articles, if they're still online08:02
chmacOtherwise linode still does08:02
aguuushould i use ubuntu server 12.10 or 12.04 LTE ?08:03
cfhowlett!LTS|aguuu,08:04
ubottuaguuu,: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; with the exception of 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), which will be supported for 5 years on the desktop. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04)08:04
aguuuso. don't the updates for 12.04 make it exactly like 12.10? so why would one be supported and not the other?08:05
aguuuif i do update the 12.04, will it become 12.10 ?08:05
cfhowlettaguuu, 12.04 is 12.04.  You can update 12.04 to future point releases of 12.04 e.g. 12.04.1.  A distro release is required to upgrade to 12.10 ....08:07
aguuuohh ok.08:07
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chmacJust upgraded mysql-server and now I'm getting a ton of weird errors and mysql is not running properly.08:43
chmacAnyone experienced the same thing when upgrading to the latest release on precise?08:44
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zetheroo trying to install ubuntu server 12.04 here and it's failing at Select and Install Software10:42
zetherooit gets to trying to load tasksel and then fails10:42
rbasak!details | zetheroo10:49
ubottuzetheroo: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."10:49
zetheroonot sure what other info you need!? hardware? ... partitioning setup?10:50
rbasakPlease elaborate on "fails". The way in which it fails is crucially important to understanding your problem.10:50
zetheroogives a message saying something about going back to the install menu and trying again ...10:51
zetherooI have tried this with no success10:51
zetherookeeps failing at the same place10:51
rbasakPlease post the *exact* message. And now that I know you're getting back to the install menu, I know that I can ask you go select the "Save debug logs" option from the install menu you've been taken back to so you can post that as well.10:52
rbasakThen somebody may be able to help.10:52
ogra_also file a bug and attach the logs there10:52
zetherooI won't be able to post much since I will have to retype whatever I post :P10:53
ogra_?10:53
ogra_do what rbasak said above ... save the logs somewhere, attach them to a bug10:54
zetherooInstallation step failed! An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Select and install software.10:55
zetheroothat is the full message10:55
zetheroowhat happens if I skip it?10:55
ogra_your install will be incomplete10:56
ogra_(and probably fail again in later steps10:56
ogra_)10:56
rbasakOK, so go to "Save debug logs" in the menu, and post those somewhere.10:56
ogra_file a bug. attach the logs so someone can look at them10:56
ogra_from the error text exposed in the UI its hard to judge what the actual error is10:57
hatakewhat answer this What is the third word in the following list? elm odd not fruit drift snow heavy mindful11:14
hatake?11:14
zetherooI burnt another copy to CD and its working now :)11:18
ogra_great11:19
Skaagany way to reboot a server by simulating a reset button?12:20
jpdsSkaag: Like, REISUB?12:20
SkaagI don't know what that is12:21
SkaagI have a machine that doesn't respond to 'reboot' and I want to force reboot it12:22
RoyKSkaag: press alt+sysrq and typs "S U B"12:23
RoyKs/typs/type/12:23
SkaagI connected via ssh12:23
SkaagI'm12:24
RoyKecho s > /proc/sysrq-trigger12:24
RoyKwill sync, then u will remount all fs read-only12:24
RoyKthen b will boot12:24
Skaagthanks, trying12:25
Skaaghere goes nothing...12:26
* Skaag is crossing his fingers12:26
Skaagthe b caused the machine to immediately stop responding12:27
Skaaghoping it is rebooting now :)12:27
Skaagthis is very good to know, I will make a note of that, and read more about /proc/sysrq-trigger12:27
Skaagserver is back online12:29
SkaagRoyK: good stuff, thanks mate! :12:29
Skaag:-)12:29
Skaagif a filesystem is mounted, but read only, is fsck still not advised?12:30
Skaagits warning is quite scary to say the least12:31
RoyKSkaag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key summarizes it12:31
Skaagthanks!12:31
RoyKSkaag: you can fsck a filesystem mounted read only12:31
RoyKjust don't do it if it's mounted rw12:31
jpdsSkaag: Like I said: REISUB. :)12:31
zetherooI would like to be able to do ssh root@machine ... but it says Permission denied, please try again12:34
zetherooI am used to doing this command on debian systems ... but it does not seem to work in ubuntu ..12:34
zetheroois it possible to get this working?12:35
RoyKzetheroo: have you set a root password?12:35
RoyKzetheroo: most people use sudo these days...12:35
ogra_zetheroo, the root account is locked by dfault in all ubuntu installs12:35
zetherooRoyK: ah, no I did not12:35
ogra_so you need to set a password or copy a proper key in place12:36
zetheroook12:36
* ogra_ would recommend the use of sudo though12:36
RoyKogra_: password auth works too12:36
* RoyK too12:36
ogra_especially on servers12:36
ogra_RoyK, if you have a password ;)12:36
RoyKindeed12:36
Skaagcan I go to single user mode via ssh?12:36
zetheroobut there is an issue with not being able to ssh as root12:36
ogra_Skaag, man telinit12:37
RoyKSkaag: it may take down the network...12:38
ogra_yeah, very likely12:38
alimjZetheroo: First enable root user, then check /etc/ssh/sshd_config and assure that it is allowed :PermitRootLogin yes12:38
zetherooif I ssh as the user and run virt-manager it will not connect to libvirt - as it needs root perms ... so I then do 'sudo su' which takes me to user root ... then I can't open virt-manager because X is running under the other user that I ssh'ed into the machine with12:38
ogra_zetheroo, ugh, just use sudo as prefix of the command you want executed as root12:39
ogra_no need for sudo su12:39
ogra_and if you want to use X apps like that, prefix the sudo commend with DISPLAY=:012:39
alimjzetheroo: If you should run lot's of commands as root, try sudo -i12:39
ogra_*command12:39
zetherooogra_: ok, that worked ... dunno why I did not think of that  :P thanks12:40
zetherooalimj: what does sudo -i do?12:40
ogra_surely safer than setting a root pw ... which opens an additional attack vector :)12:40
Kimmonoexit12:40
ogra_zetheroo, man sudo ;)12:40
alimjzetheroo: It will change to root until you exit12:40
ogra_its a good manpage to know anyway12:41
zetherooalimj: ok thanks12:41
alimjAnytime12:41
ogra_"The -i (simulate initial login) option runs the shell specified by the password database entry of the target user as a login shell."12:42
ogra_the -s option is also an intresting one12:42
zetheroohow do I find out things like the version of qemu and libvirt running on my system? I tried 'dpkg -s qemu-common' but that does not give me the info I am looking for12:45
ogra_dpkg -l12:45
zetheroothat outputs : ii  qemu-common       1.0+noroms-0ubunt qemu common functionality (bios, documentati .....12:46
zetherooI see a package version .... but what version of Qemu is that?12:47
alimjzetheroo: man dpkg. You can change the output of dpkg to include what you want12:47
ogra_i dont think -common is so intresting seem what other qemu packages you have12:49
SkaagI hate how long it takes to fsck a 1.5tb drive12:49
alimjzethero: or use dpkg-query12:49
ogra_COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l | grep qemu12:49
ogra_(that will also widen the fields to see the full version string)12:49
ogra_there should be something like qemu-system or qemu-kvm in the output12:50
ogra_which will have the upstream version beofr the -XubuntuX part12:50
Skaagis it possible to convert ext2 to ext3 or ext4?12:54
ogra_ext2 and 3 only differ through the added journal in ext3 ... so yes, that one is easy12:55
ogra_ext3 to ext4 is technically possible but a lot slower than a freshly formatted ext4 afaik12:55
SkaagI'm wondering if this patch made it to production fsck: http://lwn.net/Articles/264970/12:56
Skaagif ext3 fsck is indeed much faster, it's a good reason for me to convert an ext2 to ext312:56
Skaagespecially for large drives where fsck.ext2 is painfully slow12:56
ogra_who would use non journalled filesystems on a server anyway ?12:57
Skaagit has some benefits, speed wise12:57
Skaag(for certain scenarios)12:57
zetherootried a number of commands and cannot see the actual version of Qemu running?12:57
ogra_but you risk your data if there is a power outage12:57
Skaagright12:57
ogra_zetheroo, what did the command i gave you above output ?12:58
zetheroodpkg -l ... that?12:59
zetherooor COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l | grep qemu ?13:00
ogra_right, the latter one13:00
alimjzethero: Did you try dpkg-query?13:00
ogra_you should have gotten a list of packages with their versions13:00
ogra_the part before the first - is the upstream version13:00
ogra_beyond that qemu has a -version switch to check it13:01
zetherooyes, but the version info is that of the Ubuntu package ... not of Qemu itself ... no?13:01
ogra_ubuntu versions are the part after the -13:01
vilautlemming: ping13:02
zetherooii  qemu-common                                                           1.0+noroms-0ubuntu14.713:02
zetherooso this means it's using qemu 1.0 ?13:02
ogra_package versioning is usually $upstream-$debianrevision"ubuntu"$ubuntuversion13:02
zetheroothat is ancient13:02
ogra_it likely comes from the qemu-kvm package which was only recently merghed into mainline afaik13:03
zetheroo I was sure that Ubuntu was using qemu 1.2.x already13:04
ogra_upstream would be 1.0+noroms ... debian version is 0 (which means the package isnt in debian) and ubuntu version is upload 14 security or SRU version 713:04
ogra_ogra@chromebook:~/packages/ubuntu-defaults-nexus7-0.52$ apt-cache show qemu|grep Version13:07
ogra_Version: 1.3.0+dfsg-5expubuntu113:07
ogra_thats in raring btw13:07
zetherooI don't know where online I saw it ... but Ubuntu had qemu 1.2.x in there somewhere13:12
Skaagok, I like how simple it is to switch from ext2 <--> ext3 in both directions. very convenient.13:15
ogra_qemu != qemu-kvm13:15
zetheroothis is not good at all13:16
ogra_?13:17
ogra_what is not good ?13:17
ogra_teht the fork of qemu doesnt use identical versioning ?13:17
zetheroothat Ubuntu uses such old versions of this stuff13:17
ogra_qemu-kvm is way newer than qemu was at that time13:17
ogra_it has recently been merged back into the qemu tree though13:18
ogra_so in raring you will have no qemu-kvm ... in all former release there was qemu-kvm which had way newer code on x86 than qemu had13:19
zetherooI just don't know which version of Qemu is actually running here .. and if it's version 1.0 then that is terrible13:19
ogra_you run version 1.0 of qemu-kvm13:20
zetheroowe were hoping that Ubuntu was using slightly newer stuff than Debian ... but this seems to not be the case13:20
ogra_qemu-kvm is several versions advanced of everything debian has for the same release cycle13:20
zetherooyes, and I have the feeling that that does not mean I am running 1.0 of Qemu ... but how does one find out what version of Qemu is running in qemu-kvm ?13:20
ogra_dunno, read the changelogs perhaps13:21
ogra_or upgrade to the developmebnt release where both packages were merged again13:21
nocturnHi all, I have a LVM group with a PV on iscsi that is gone13:27
nocturnnow, I get /dev/dm-5: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error on all LVM commands13:27
nocturnhow can I fix this?13:27
nocturnwill the server survive a reboot?13:27
nocturnI fixed it with dmsetup13:43
nocturndmsetup remove <stale volume>13:43
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zetheroois there any way I can install Qemu 1.2.0 from the quantal repos onto a precise machine?13:46
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zulyolanda2: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/nova-asn1/+merge/14793214:20
yolanda2zul, ok14:20
yolanda2zul, done14:25
Sendoushihey guys. how can i set a static ip?14:30
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greppySendoushi: ask your ISP.14:53
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zulyolanda2: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/keystone-fix/+merge/14795215:04
zetherooUbuntu doesn't seem to like the init 6 command too much :P15:05
yolanda2zul, why is that change?15:06
zulyolanda2:  refreshes the config again15:06
yolanda2funny15:07
yolanda2ok, done15:07
marahinDoes Ubuntu have any built-in (OOTB) vnc server?15:12
zulyolanda2:  next https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-keystoneclient/requests-patch-drop/+merge/14795515:14
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yolanda2done15:23
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pmatulisdoes anyone want to help improve the server guide?  i'm looking for helpers16:12
jamespagepmatulis: yes16:14
jamespagepmatulis: maybe mention it in aob in the server team meeting currently happending in #ubuntu-meeting?16:14
pmatulisjamespage: alrighty16:19
hallynsmoser: do you mind syncing spice 0.12.2-0nocelt2exp from debian experimental into raring?16:42
smoserhallyn, i can do that for you i guess.16:42
zulyolanda2: can you fix the quantum build please16:47
yolanda2zul, ok16:47
yolanda2will be nice to forget ceilometer for a while :)16:47
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coolball1hi17:29
coolball1just installed17:29
coolball1no gui17:29
coolball1what can I do?17:29
genii-aroundEverything.17:37
ogra_coolball1, what do you want to do ? everything is possible :)17:38
genii-aroundcoolball1: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/index.html17:39
genii-aroundHopefully you had some task in mind for why you wanted a server, like making a webserver, or sharing files, or so on. It helps to first have a goal before deciding which next step to take.17:41
negronjljamespage, ping17:47
coolball1what if I want www.example.com to be a site on my server?17:51
coolball1apache, dns, and a visit to godaddy?17:52
genii-aroundcoolball1: Maybe also a static IP17:52
yolanda2i'm having a strange problem with quantum. It depends on python-cliff, which is added as dependency and installed. But some tests are failing with "No module named cliff" error17:52
yolanda2any idea?17:52
yolanda2zul ^17:55
rbasakyolanda2: if you run python from the command line, then does "import cliff" work?18:06
yolanda2rbasak, yes18:06
yolanda2it's failing on the tests:18:07
rbasakIn what environment is the test that is failing running in?18:07
rbasakAs in dep8, or out of the source tree, or something else?18:07
yolanda2http://paste.ubuntu.com/1640153/18:07
yolanda2it's a run_tests.sh -N -P in the package build18:08
rbasakAh, OK. When you say it depends on python-cliff, did you mean build-depends? You'll need a build-depend if you're running the test suite from inside a package build and the test suite needs the cliff module18:08
rbasakSo it sounds like you need both a depend and a build-depend to me.18:09
coolball1I cannot get a static ip18:09
yolanda2let me check18:12
yolanda2rbasak, it's only adding that as a build-depends18:12
yolanda2so i should add a depends also?18:13
rbasakyolanda2: if it's failing in the package build, a depends isn't relevant at that stage.18:13
yolanda2it fails on the build, yes, on the run tests, but the build-depends is there18:15
rbasakyolanda2: at this point I'd use --purge=none --purge-deps=none --purge-session=none options to sbuild, and then examine the session after the failure using schroot -l --all to get the session identifier and then schroot -r -c <session_id> to see why the import is failing in the build environment18:16
rbasakyolanda2: assuming I understand your problem correctly.18:17
yolanda2ok18:17
yolanda2rbasak, Bad purge mode 'none' at /usr/share/perl5/Sbuild/Conf.pm line 493.18:43
rbasakyolanda2: sorry. It's "never". For all three.18:44
yolanda2oh, ok18:45
hallynsmoser: saw the upload ack email - thanks!18:48
smoserhallyn, i didn't upload.18:50
smoserhm..18:50
smoserlooks like kirkland got it for you.18:51
hallynwowzers18:55
hallynkirkland: thanks :)18:55
yolanda2rbasak, how can i check why that import is failing?18:58
rbasakyolanda2: that's a bit hard for me to say from here. But I have one idea. Let me look it up.18:59
yolanda2mm, i'm on the session now19:01
yolanda2i see that python-cliff is installed19:01
yolanda2but then if i execute python, and import cliff, it fails19:01
yolanda2maybe is a problem with the package?19:02
rbasakyolanda2: what I was thinking is more complicated than I remember19:04
rbasakyolanda2: yeah it sounds like a problem with the package19:04
yolanda2module should be in /usr/share/pyshared, right?19:05
rbasakSomething like that. Python module locations always confuse me19:05
rbasakTry: strace -eopen python -mcliff and see if you can spot any difference to running that outside the environment with python-cliff installed. It should at least narrow down the paths.19:06
rbasakYou might need to run schroot -u root -r -c <session_id> in order to get a root session in that environment to install strace19:06
yolanda2i'm on it19:06
jamespagenegronjl: pong19:08
yolanda2rbasak, i tested, but module is not where it should be19:11
rbasakyolanda2: is this in raring?19:12
yolanda2rbasak, yes19:13
* rbasak takes a look19:13
rbasakyolanda2: I see the problem. "dpkg -L python-cliff" in a schroot with it installed shows that it's not actually installing anything useful at all19:16
rbasakyolanda2: it does this if I apt-get install python-cliff on a raring instance too.=19:17
rbasakyolanda2: looks like python-cliff is completely broken in raring. In what environment did you see it work?19:17
yolanda2let me retry, i think i did it on raring19:17
rbasakyolanda2: looking at the changelog, zul upgraded a new python-cliff today, a few hours ago19:18
yolanda2mm, seems that19:19
yolanda20ubuntu2 works, but not 0ubuntu319:19
rbasakzul: I think it's completely broken. It only installs stuff in /usr/share/doc/python-cliff19:19
rbasakSounds like we need a dep8 test for python-cliff :)19:20
yolanda2in sbuild i have Installed: 1.3-0ubuntu119:21
yolanda2that doesn't work19:21
yolanda2in the schroot where i tested it was 1.1.2-0ubuntu219:21
yolanda2and that works19:21
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MannerManHello, I have some issues with Ubuntu 12.04 partitioning, Im using a 60gb SSD, and Ubuntu splits the disk really weird19:26
MannerManhttp://pastebin.com/3JWtqNC119:26
yolanda2zul, i send you the mp for quantum, it's pending on the cliff issue but the rest is working: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/quantum/grizzly/+merge/14803219:26
MannerMan /dev gets 16 gb etc19:26
zulyolanda2:  looking19:26
MannerManOn my virtual Ubuntu installs these partitions are around 500mb19:27
sarnoldMannerMan: what are the chances that those are tmpfs and you've got 16 gigs ram?19:28
MannerMansarnold: I got 32 gb ram19:29
sarnoldMannerMan: ah, right, the default is _half_ the ram. sigh. :)19:29
MannerMansarnold: :)19:29
MannerManOkey that makes sense19:29
MannerManWonder why i'm only getting 24gb on /19:29
MannerManESXi have been installed to this disk before, however I wanted to try out KVM19:30
sarnoldMannerMan: did /home or swap get the other ~30 gigs?19:30
MannerManI dont think so, you have the entire df -h output @ pastebin link19:30
sarnoldhunh.19:31
MannerManhttp://pastebin.com/3JWtqNC119:31
sarnoldMannerMan: fdisk -l or cfdisk -l or whatever the newfangled way to see gpt partition layouts?19:31
MannerMansarnold: one sec19:32
MannerMansarnold: http://pastebin.com/2htN9T2U19:32
MannerManSomething is messed up there19:33
sarnoldMannerMan: aha, that looks like 32 gigs of swap19:33
MannerManNice :D19:33
sarnoldMannerMan: perhaps, in case, you wish to suspend-to-disk? :)19:33
MannerManI guess I need to do manual partitioning here19:33
rbasakyolanda2, zul: python-cliff upstream have introduced a Makefile wrapper around setup.py that is confusing dh_auto_build19:33
MannerManI simply choosed to use the entire disk19:34
zulrbasak: yeah i know...im fixing it now19:34
rbasakzul: OK, I'll leave it to you then :)19:34
sarnoldMannerMan: yeah. that might not be an ideal use for this system :)19:35
MannerMansarnold: Indeed :)19:35
yolanda2zul, are you able to fix it? do you want me to take a look tomorrow?19:35
zulyolanda2: yes im looking at it now19:36
MannerManReinstalling with manual partitioning, gonna give it like 2gb swap19:36
yolanda2i need to leave for today, quite a long day19:36
yolanda2i leave you the quantum mp and i can merge that tomorrow19:37
yolanda2bye!19:37
zulrbasak/yolanda: fix now19:44
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F3SpeechNeed help installing a HP Laserjet 1200 via a usb to serial adaptor using ubuntu server cli and cups cli or web interface! Currently Ive had it print a test page but network users couldnt print so I tweaked and now I cant even see the printer. Could really use a hand to point the way...20:10
jcastroutlemming: wanna talk vagrant/juju?20:13
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kirklandhallyn: welcome ;-)20:51
belgianguyso I was thinking of getting myself a VPS, but I need some sort of web-frontend for my client20:55
cliff__Can someone help me configure my ubuntu server's network configuration?  I'm connected to a router that's not using NAT, and I'm lost20:55
belgianguyis there such a thing in a PPA? like Plesk/CPanel etc20:55
iqualfragile1i just want to make shure i did not make any mistake early on: im trying to set up a bind9 dns, when using nslookup host.example.com it gets me the right ip-adress (192.168.9.1) but when i try nslookup 192.168.9.1 it just tells me host. not host.example.com. is that wrong?20:55
iqualfragile1ok, solved my problem on my own, thanks anyways21:08
Davieysmoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1640714/ .. taken from the example.. if package_upgrade: true <- doesn't imply and _update, it will not do an upgrade as the apt listing is current.. right?21:19
smoseri think upgrade might force update21:44
smoseras it really should, Daviey21:44
RoyKsmoser: upgrade won't force update21:48
RoyKupdate is another thing21:48
smoserRoyK, the context was cloud-init21:49
smoserwhere sanity was (i believe) ensured.21:49
RoyKsanity is overrated21:50
smoserupgrade without update is simply asking for failure to download packages removed from -updates (or developement cycle)21:50
smoser(especially if this is an image that was made 6 months ago)21:50
belgianguyanyone good experiences with web front-ends for Ubuntu Server?22:14
belgianguyIt's not for me, it's for a friend22:15
belgianguyI myself am content with scp and Cacti22:15
belgianguyeg Zpanel, anyone ever used that?22:26
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