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penguin42popey: Straight quantal install includes a Remote Login   login on the desktop by default (as per zleap's query)01:26
ali1234MC68000P8 sells for $16 "sold as seen - collectors item"01:32
ali1234waaaaaat01:32
penguin42there must be zillions out there01:32
ali1234probably not in PDIP01:36
penguin42isn't that what was in every ST and early Amiga?01:39
ali1234yes01:44
penguin42anyway, bed!01:48
AlanBellmorning08:16
newbie23hello08:26
newbie23can i expect some help here?08:27
AlanBellhi newbie2308:29
AlanBellnewbie23: you will have to ask a question before it can be answered08:29
AlanBellUbuntu Phone dev platform announced http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-2138737108:29
newbie324??08:31
AlanBellnewbie23: do you need some help with something?08:31
newbie324i am 324 now and yes i still need some help08:32
newbie324i looked for solutions in askubuntu08:33
newbie324but they didn't work08:33
AlanBelllink?08:34
newbie324i am really new to ubuntu so i have been trying to install it from usb08:35
newbie324but it wouldn't boot08:35
newbie324:|08:35
newbie324i tried Lili and all other similar programs08:35
newbie324i am running it now on virtual box08:35
newbie324but i want to install a fresh copy of ubuntu08:36
newbie324downloaded 12.04 lts iso08:36
AlanBellhow did you install it to USB?08:36
AlanBellwith startup disk creator or something else?08:36
newbie324using this http://www.linuxliveusb.com/08:37
newbie324and running on virtual box using this too08:37
newbie324my current os is windows 708:37
AlanBellis the computer set up to boot from USB?08:38
AlanBellbios settings boot order or something like that08:38
newbie324yes i am on hp pavilion g6 notebook. so when i start the laptop i hit f9 to select boot device option.08:39
newbie324there i get an option to boot EFI08:39
AlanBelloh, EFI08:39
AlanBellright, that is going to need the 64 bit version of Ubuntu I think08:39
newbie324but my OS is 32-bit08:40
AlanBellhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso08:40
AlanBellyour computer is 64 bit capable08:41
newbie324yes it is08:41
newbie324so you recommend i download a 64-bit version from ubuntu website?08:42
AlanBellyes, from the link I just pasted08:43
newbie324i already downloaded 12.10 32-bit and then someone told me to get 12.04 LTS so downloaded that and now download again T_T08:43
AlanBellif your computer will boot in not-efi mode then 32 bit should work08:44
AlanBellhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI08:44
AlanBellhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/102555508:44
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 1025555 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu32bits is incompatible with recent (UEFI) computers" [Undecided,Confirmed]08:44
popeymorning all08:46
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jacobwmorning popey + all08:56
bigcalmHullo peeps :)08:58
popeypip pip08:58
bigcalmShipment has left Poland08:59
bigcalmWhy isn't it at my door step yet?08:59
bigcalmHi popey08:59
popeyoutrage09:00
czajkowskilol09:02
bigcalmUPS from Poland to UK. I wonder if it'll be by air or road09:03
bigcalmI could just wait until the expected delivery date of Thursday09:03
Myrttiooo09:03
bigcalmHi Myrtti :)09:03
MyrttiI forgot I've got stuff coming from Amazon today09:04
MyrttiThanks for reminding09:04
bigcalmErm, you're welcome :)09:04
bigcalmI'm still waiting for Tesco to send me vouchers for Cafe Rouge09:04
* bigcalm rubs his tummy09:04
newbie324thanks for the help hopefully it will work09:07
newbie324o/09:07
kvarleyIs there an app that will let me run an ARM binary on my regular PC?09:07
dwatkinskvarley: an Android phone emulator, perhaps?09:12
popeyqemu09:13
dwatkinsWhat kind of ARM binary are we talking?09:13
popeywhy would you want to though?09:13
kvarleyThe Minecraft-Pi edition09:13
bigcalmkvarley: buy the game, it's worth the price09:14
kvarleybigcalm: I already own it :)09:14
bigcalmkvarley: good :)09:14
kvarleyIt was purely to open up a LAN game to more people without Pis09:15
bigcalmCan the RPi version connect to normal servers?09:15
kvarleybigcalm: I suspect not since it is forked from the pocket edition09:16
kvarleybigcalm: Will be interesting to see if it can connect to pocket edition servers tho09:17
bigcalmI see09:17
popeyMartijnVdS: interesting you get 4.2.2, I'm on 4.2.1 on nexus 409:20
popeywhat's new?09:20
dwatkinsI might give it a go on my Pi when I get home. It's currently a temperature sensor thanks to munin.09:22
kvarleybigcalm: Running the demo of Pocket Edition on my tablet and Pi Edition on my Pi both can see the server when the other is in a game but it fails to connect.09:27
popeydoes pi edition use the same auth stuff?09:27
kvarleypopey: No user accounts are needed for pocket edition09:28
MartijnVdSpopey: I haven't seen anything different yet09:37
MartijnVdSpopey: apparently it fixes bluetooth streaming09:37
MartijnVdSpopey: (I upgraded before I got the notification using adb + http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1337)09:37
MartijnVdSpopey: the update is almost 50M though, and from the size of the patch files, it's mostly updates to the pre-installed apps09:42
MartijnVdSpopey: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/12/android-4-2-2-update-reportedly-arriving-on-galaxy-nexus-phones/09:43
MartijnVdShttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/android-4-2-2-brings-bluetooth-audio-fixes-to-nexus-phones-and-tablets/09:43
MartijnVdS</spam>09:44
DJonesMorning all10:03
BigRedSGood Morning!10:11
MartijnVdS\o10:11
BigRedSI've decided that we need an internal pastebin at work. What should I apt-get install and then see Just Work? :)10:11
MartijnVdSBigRedS: we use https://github.com/claudehohl/Stikked10:14
AlanBellpnopaste is in the repos10:14
dwatkinsthere's also hastebin: http://hastebin.com/about.md10:14
BigRedSOooh, ta!"10:17
AlanBellpnopaste works, you need to  sudo ln -s /etc/pnopaste/apache2.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/pnopaste.conf10:21
AlanBellthen it is at host/pnopaste10:21
BigRedSYeah, pnopaste looks about right since it's all Perl and that's all I've got on the system I plan to use10:26
BigRedSJust need to translate the apache config into lighty10:26
BigRedSta!10:26
bigcalmCan you specify a pastebin for use with pastebinit?10:30
bigcalmThat would then be a good combination10:30
BigRedSblimey, it's really short on why I need to do some of these things - seems to reckon I'll want a utility for pasting to this pastebin from the server it's running on...10:30
BigRedSah yeah, apt-get. that was the plan...10:32
AlanBellBigRedS: yes, you can10:34
bigcalmAlanBell: which big was that meant for?10:34
AlanBellconf files are in /usr/share/pastebin.d10:34
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brobostigongood morning everyone,10:43
davmor2Morning all11:07
brobostigonmorning davmor211:08
bigcalmMorning kids11:10
davmor2bigcalm: you know some of us are older than you don't you :P11:11
bigcalmdavmor2: only by age ;)11:14
davmor2bigcalm: hahaha11:17
* Laney calls the council tax office to voluntarily pay more11:58
Laney:S :S :S11:58
Laneywell, not exactly voluntarily11:58
bigcalmLaney: I know another good home for unwanted money11:58
* davmor2 ups Laney 's air tax11:59
* Laney steals a compulsory piggy back on davmor2 11:59
LaneyTO THE COOKIE STATION11:59
LaneyI just need to tell them that my girlfriend has moved in12:00
Laneyso no more 25% discount12:00
bigcalmLaney: is she paying her way?12:01
Laneyhope so :P12:03
bigcalmo.O12:03
Laneyit is done12:05
Laney(95 / 75) * 100 = 126.6666666666666712:06
* Laney weeps12:06
davmor2Laney: oh but come one what a way to have to pay more money12:06
Laneyhaha12:07
Laneyit is for a good reason12:07
davmor2Laney: ouch where the hell do you live so I know to never move there12:10
Laneyhttp://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=117812:10
Laneyis that higher than average?12:11
davmor2Laney: http://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/council/council_tax/council+tax+bands+and+charges.htm12:12
davmor2and I thought ours was high12:12
Laneyactually I think I'm only band B so I probably got my calculation wrong12:12
Laneyyeah average band D is 144412:13
bigcalmhttp://www.telford.gov.uk/site/scripts/download_info.aspx?fileID=1257&categoryID=20002812:13
bigcalmI have no idea which band we're in12:13
bigcalmD for me would be 1,413.5612:14
popeyi have no idea either12:15
Laneyso yeah nottingham is quite high12:15
AlanBell192/month for us, but I think it is over 10 or 11 months for some reason12:15
davmor2popey: yours will be higher you are too close to ye olde ye London towne12:15
kvarley1Any way for me to change the Skype icon to a higher resolution one? Looks ugly in the beautiful Alt + Tab interface Ubuntu has12:16
Laneywe got a flyer from the council complaining that they are being affected by cuts more then southern councils12:16
Laneydon't know how true that is12:17
davmor2kvarley1: goto /usr/share/icons and I think it is in there just swap it out for a higher res one ensuring it has the same permissions12:17
kvarley1davmor2: Ok, thanks12:17
bigcalmI would be happy for our council tax to go up if it meant that services continued to get funded (hurts more when my Hayley works in the council and feels the pressure of cuts and no support)12:18
davmor2Laney: yeah it is cause the big girlie southerns can't do 2 peoples jobs like they can up T'north12:18
popeywhippets, flat caps, coal etc12:19
LaneyI was happy when they responded to my fixmystreet request to fix some potholes saying that they would do it :P12:19
czajkowskiLaney: did they actually do it ?12:19
Laneynot yet ...12:19
czajkowskior jsut respond to you?12:19
czajkowski:)12:19
Laney28 working days from jan 22nd12:20
davmor2Laney: we've only been waiting 3 years for them to fix our carpark and we still aren't even on the list for alterations yet12:20
Laneyheh12:20
Laneyget your councillors involved12:20
davmor2Laney: that was with the Councillors involved12:20
czajkowskiback home home I lived ina  small village councillors would often knock on your doors to see how things were going even before elections so you could bend their ears12:21
Laneycute12:21
davmor2Laney: they have to get the budget for it as 15 parking spaces for 132 flats is a bit low12:21
bigcalmdavmor2: that's your fault for having a car12:22
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AlanBellany cheap home printer recommendations?13:22
AlanBellnot an inkjet13:22
davmor2AlanBell: Samsung13:25
davmor2AlanBell: HP13:25
popeyI would ask tkamppeter__ ☺13:26
AlanBellwho?13:26
popeythe guy who maintains printers for basically all linux distros13:26
popey(and works for us)13:26
popeyhe runs linuxprinting.org13:26
AlanBellok, thanks13:27
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AlanBellhttp://www.ebuyer.com/397339-dell-1160w-mono-laser-printer-210-40394 given that this one is wireless it should be standard postscript or something right?13:29
davmor2AlanBell: I have the Samsung clp-300 sits here quite happily, you have to add the splix and foo2zjs but then cups handles it fine I think the newer version is the 310  you can get non-branded toner from amazon and ebay for about £20 for the set13:29
davmor2AlanBell: I had a dell you had to goto their website and grab a driver but only the print part work the scanner never did :(  However the hp I got next did :)13:30
Azelphurlooks like bitcoin is booming again13:30
* Azelphur called this ~8 months ago xD13:30
* AlanBell ordered the Dell13:39
popeyAlanBell: be interested to know how it goes, I'm after a laser13:40
AlanBellI was tempted to get one of these http://www.ebuyer.com/386208-ricoh-sp100-laser-printer-ricohsp100?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products and make it work somehow13:41
AlanBellbut as it is for the kids I figured that the instant gratification of a printer that is likely to work was better than the fun of beating sense into one that won't13:41
DJonesIn byobu, what does a red "1#" stand for on the bottom line, I thought it was to do with updates, but I've just run update & upgrade with no change to "1#"13:43
AlanBell£20 for a printer including cartridge, and when that runs out a refil cartridge is £59.9913:43
AlanBellDJones: I have 2#13:43
amayer_AlanBell: thats how the market for printers is13:44
DJonesI wondered whether it could be the number of users logged in13:44
AlanBellusers13:45
AlanBellalan alan alan alan alan alan alan13:45
DJonesYeah, just found it on the man page13:45
DJonesThanks anyway13:46
AlanBellwonder why mine says 2# and not 1 or 713:47
popeyits the window number13:47
popeyif you open some and close 0 then you'll still have 113:47
popeythey don't re-number as you close windows13:47
DJonesGrr, why don't hospitals have video camera's in the theatre's so you know were abouts surgery is up to13:53
popeymaybe the machines should tweet13:55
popey*beep*13:55
popey*beep*13:55
popey*beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*13:55
popeyj/k - *beep*13:55
popeyetc13:55
mgdm"@ECGMachine: OMG! @CrashTeam get here now!"13:56
DJonesThat could be interesting13:56
popeyAlanBell: http://www.ebuyer.com/321919-samsung-ml-2160-mono-laser-printer-ml-2160-xeu14:01
popeylooks suspiciously like your dell14:01
BigRedSDells always used to be lexmarks14:02
AlanBellthe dell has wifi14:02
popeyso does the samsung14:04
popeywell, the 2165W variant does ☺14:04
popeyso does the 2160 allegedly14:05
popeyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spt3c6TYtxo this Korean video explains it clearly ☺14:05
knightwisehey everyone14:13
popeyhello14:13
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B006LFQU9S/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=114:15
popeynot good reviews14:15
AlanBellwell as long as it means I don't get woken up early to drive a small person to the office to print out their homework that they should have done the day before then I am cool14:16
popeyhah14:17
AlanBell"Samsung customer service is to customer satisfaction what King Herod is to playgroups." yeah, that isn't a great review is it14:17
popeyhttp://www.amazon.com/Dell-1160w-Wireless-Monochrome-Printer/product-reviews/B008HZFB3G14:17
popeythis guy seems to think it's not wireless, how odd14:17
popeymaybe he bought a diff one and reviewed that one instead14:17
knightwiseany idea when the first developement releases will be out of the ubuntu phone os ?14:18
penguin42my ml1640 isn't as reliable as my previous sammy printer; it tends to take a couple of goes to get it to pick up paper14:18
popey"soon"14:18
knightwisethanx popey :)14:19
popeysorry I can't be more specific14:24
bigcalmBefore the October date that Mark said we would have Ubuntu phones? ;)14:43
bigcalm(I think it was October?)14:43
popeyyes14:57
popeywe will release the source and some sample developer images for a couple of popular devices14:57
AlanBellwhat was the October quote in relation to?15:01
amayer_knightwise: im just as eager as you to play with one15:02
AlanBell"two large geographical markets" in October15:02
AlanBellantarctica, and one other15:02
amayer_AlanBell: haha15:03
penguin42AlanBell: Mars15:03
popey15:05
popeyMars and Venus15:05
penguin42popey: It's good of you to volunteer to be the onsite support15:05
popeyI can't say. But there's a lot of wild speculation, and most of it is wrong.15:05
popeyI wish!15:05
mungbean_india15:05
mungbean_china15:05
penguin42popey: I'm sure Mark knows someone with a rocket to get you there....15:06
mungbean_south africa15:06
popeyYes, keep all these expectations in mind. They can only either be met or exceeded.15:06
AlanBellmungbean_: I don't know if they can translate and design applications for RTL and so on to go to those markets in that timescale15:06
AlanBellI think it has to be an English language market15:06
penguin42AlanBell: Ubuntu has pretty good translations for a vast range of languages and there are devs working everywhere, so I doubt it would be too hard15:07
AlanBellpenguin42: RTL isn't just a translation issue15:07
penguin42AlanBell: Yeh but it's already handled in most libraries isn't it?15:08
AlanBellI am sure QML has reasonable support for it, yes15:09
AlanBellbut that isn't the same as saying all the core applications are going to be written by the community https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/grid where they are all in english so far15:10
AlanBelland they are going to just look awesome when you just translate the strings to chinese?15:10
AlanBellwe don't have ubuntu font coverage for chinese or korean15:11
AlanBellwe do have the new rupee sign though15:11
penguin42yeh font coverage I guess takes a lot of work15:15
mungbean_ubuntu should release a phone in countries shackled by carrier contracts15:21
mungbean_australians and USians have that trouble don't they?15:21
AlanBellthey should do something disruptive and unique15:24
AlanBellcompeting directly with iPhone and Android on level terms would be a brave strategy15:24
AlanBellpossibly even courageous15:24
penguin42I guess in some ways it's not that hard to do; you can ask one of the hardware OEMs to install this image rather than that presumably fairly simply15:31
penguin42getting people to buy it, or carriers to support it may be somewhat harder15:32
popeynot necessarily15:32
popeywe've been talking to handset manufacturers and carriers15:32
popeynot just handset manufacturers15:32
penguin42what's the attraction to the carriers?15:32
popeywell, look at android15:33
* penguin42 looks at his android15:33
popeyodm designs hardware with a platform in mind15:33
popeyoem takes hardware, puts that software on it, sells it15:34
popeycarrier takes that handset and sells to consumers in stores15:34
popeycustomer takes the device home, buys stuff from google play..15:34
popeyneither the carrier nor oem nor odm see any of that revenue15:34
popeyGo to Google, do not collect £200.15:35
penguin42hmm true; the carriers do tend to add their own apps, but yeh that's true15:35
popeyalso, in order to put GoogleOS on your handset you have to agree to somewhat onerous contracts.15:36
popey"Don't be evil" though, so that's all okay.15:36
penguin42popey: Working with carriers must be interesting, you get into all the stuff of how to push updates over their network etc15:37
popeyindeed. that'll be fun15:37
kvarleyDoes anybody know if there is a plugin for pidgin which will add the game I'm currently playing on steam to my status?15:43
mungbean_carrier software on phones is the worst kind of bloatware15:43
BigRedSyeah, it's like buying a Windows PC15:55
BigRedSYou need to decide whether to reinstall just the OS you want and risk not being able to reinstall any handy bundled utils, or to just leave it be and tolerate it15:55
penguin42which reminds me, I must upgrade my cyanogen install15:57
BigRedShaha, I think I'm still on an RC15:57
penguin42yeh me to, I'm on a 7RC I think, I think there's a 10 out for it now15:58
BigRedSI've no idea what number I'm on :) I think it's the current stable for everything else but the S2 took ages to stabilise15:59
BigRedSand it's old now15:59
penguin42mines a couple of years old15:59
penguin42hmm the 10.x isn't an official cyanogen build16:04
mungbean_they never are16:05
mungbean_10.x on my touchpad doing fine16:05
mungbean_my htc desire never got higher than cm7x16:06
penguin42yeh this is a zte blade, someone seems to have done the 10.x stuff separtely16:06
mungbean_no major gains on the phone OS for me, but tablet form factor is improved in cm1016:08
andylockranhi16:58
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davmor2hmmmmmmm I wonder whats for tea....... Oh Yeah PANCAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!17:23
MartijnVdS\o/17:25
kvarley1I suspect that my router is causing me to disconnect from games on Wii U. I want to setup my laptop as a wireless access point that defers DHCP to my router, is that possible? How would I go about this?17:54
dwatkinsah it's *that* Tuesday17:54
davmor2dwatkins: Oh yeah baby!17:56
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DJonesHmmh, does this count as "extreme camping"? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BC7Xvo0CAAAO7iz.jpg:large20:37
dwatkinsDJones: super duper extreme camping, most definitely20:38
penguin42I guess that's for climbers who can't complete a face in ne day?20:39
DJonesNever having climbed anything like that, I won't call them wimps for giving up half way :)20:42
penguin42me neither20:43
dwatkinsI imagine it's a matter of the time to climb, yeah.20:45
amayer_that would be awesome!!!20:45
* penguin42 guesses it gets even more 'interesting' if it gets windy20:51
dwatkinsDon't forget Extreme Ironing... http://i.imgur.com/bFT1y.jpg20:54
amayer_o.O20:55
dwatkinshaha, there's even a calendar: http://imgur.com/a/YC9Od20:55
DJonesMaybe popey could do the ironing while in that campsite :)20:56
ali1234(15:36:25) popey: neither the carrier nor oem nor odm see any of that revenue21:20
ali1234not strictly true since samsung devices have a samsung branded app store21:20
ali1234and then you have operator billing too21:20
ali1234ODM and carrier see plenty of post sale revenue from android devices21:21
penguin42ali1234: Your roundtrip time is incredible :-)21:23
popeyali1234: I specifically said google play store ☺21:31
ali1234google play store supports operator billing21:31
popeythat was in refernce to your samsung store comment21:31
Myrttipopey: are you getting the N4 fixed then? I suppose it's cheaper than buying a new one22:11
popeyMyrtti: will phone LG tomorrow and find out, their website claims 130 quid for all repairs22:30
popeyAzelphur: what was the bug you had where the cursor disappeared? I have had it in gedit22:30
Azelphurpopey: minimise gedit -> cursor disappears22:32
Azelphurseems to have gone away now that I stopped using Ubuntu's compiz, though.22:33
* directhex moos22:36
popeyAzelphur: did you file or find a bug?23:01
AzelphurI think I found a bug, it was on the debian list iirc23:01
* penguin42 has seen a bunch of disappearing cursor problems for a couple of years23:15
penguin42hmm can't find the bug number23:18
popeyI'll have a look in the morning23:20
Azelphurhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=66209923:21
lubotu3Debian bug 662099 in gedit "Blinking text cursor sometimes disappear" [Important,Open]23:21
ali1234xorg:fglrx - ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (Proprietary, Disabled, In use)23:45
ali1234wat23:45
penguin42interesting combination23:51
penguin42ali1234: Does that mean was installed, you've disabled it but haven't quite X since asking for that?23:51
ali1234no, it means i had a working setup and then did sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates23:52
ali1234which removes fglrx, and makes fglrx-updates "in use" and "disabled" at the same time, so it does not work23:53
ali1234then i did sudo apt-get install fglrx23:53
ali1234which does the same thing but with fglrx23:53
penguin42curious23:53
ali1234then i punched jockey until it worked23:53
penguin42yes, you do have to remind it whose side it's supposed to be on every so often23:56

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