[01:26] <penguin42> popey: Straight quantal install includes a Remote Login   login on the desktop by default (as per zleap's query)
[01:32] <ali1234> MC68000P8 sells for $16 "sold as seen - collectors item"
[01:32] <ali1234> waaaaaat
[01:32] <penguin42> there must be zillions out there
[01:36] <ali1234> probably not in PDIP
[01:39] <penguin42> isn't that what was in every ST and early Amiga?
[01:44] <ali1234> yes
[01:48] <penguin42> anyway, bed!
[08:16] <AlanBell> morning
[08:26] <newbie23> hello
[08:27] <newbie23> can i expect some help here?
[08:29] <AlanBell> hi newbie23
[08:29] <AlanBell> newbie23: you will have to ask a question before it can be answered
[08:29] <AlanBell> Ubuntu Phone dev platform announced http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21387371
[08:31] <newbie324> ??
[08:31] <AlanBell> newbie23: do you need some help with something?
[08:32] <newbie324> i am 324 now and yes i still need some help
[08:33] <newbie324> i looked for solutions in askubuntu
[08:33] <newbie324> but they didn't work
[08:34] <AlanBell> link?
[08:35] <newbie324> i am really new to ubuntu so i have been trying to install it from usb
[08:35] <newbie324> but it wouldn't boot
[08:35] <newbie324> :|
[08:35] <newbie324> i tried Lili and all other similar programs
[08:35] <newbie324> i am running it now on virtual box
[08:36] <newbie324> but i want to install a fresh copy of ubuntu
[08:36] <newbie324> downloaded 12.04 lts iso
[08:36] <AlanBell> how did you install it to USB?
[08:36] <AlanBell> with startup disk creator or something else?
[08:37] <newbie324> using this http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[08:37] <newbie324> and running on virtual box using this too
[08:37] <newbie324> my current os is windows 7
[08:38] <AlanBell> is the computer set up to boot from USB?
[08:38] <AlanBell> bios settings boot order or something like that
[08:39] <newbie324> yes i am on hp pavilion g6 notebook. so when i start the laptop i hit f9 to select boot device option.
[08:39] <newbie324> there i get an option to boot EFI
[08:39] <AlanBell> oh, EFI
[08:39] <AlanBell> right, that is going to need the 64 bit version of Ubuntu I think
[08:40] <newbie324> but my OS is 32-bit
[08:40] <AlanBell> http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:41] <AlanBell> your computer is 64 bit capable
[08:41] <newbie324> yes it is
[08:42] <newbie324> so you recommend i download a 64-bit version from ubuntu website?
[08:43] <AlanBell> yes, from the link I just pasted
[08:43] <newbie324> i already downloaded 12.10 32-bit and then someone told me to get 12.04 LTS so downloaded that and now download again T_T
[08:44] <AlanBell> if your computer will boot in not-efi mode then 32 bit should work
[08:44] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[08:44] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1025555
[08:46] <popey> morning all
[08:56] <jacobw> morning popey + all
[08:58] <bigcalm> Hullo peeps :)
[08:58] <popey> pip pip
[08:59] <bigcalm> Shipment has left Poland
[08:59] <bigcalm> Why isn't it at my door step yet?
[08:59] <bigcalm> Hi popey
[09:00] <popey> outrage
[09:02] <czajkowski> lol
[09:03] <bigcalm> UPS from Poland to UK. I wonder if it'll be by air or road
[09:03] <bigcalm> I could just wait until the expected delivery date of Thursday
[09:03] <Myrtti> ooo
[09:03] <bigcalm> Hi Myrtti :)
[09:04] <Myrtti> I forgot I've got stuff coming from Amazon today
[09:04] <Myrtti> Thanks for reminding
[09:04] <bigcalm> Erm, you're welcome :)
[09:04] <bigcalm> I'm still waiting for Tesco to send me vouchers for Cafe Rouge
[09:04]  * bigcalm rubs his tummy
[09:07] <newbie324> thanks for the help hopefully it will work
[09:07] <newbie324> o/
[09:07] <kvarley> Is there an app that will let me run an ARM binary on my regular PC?
[09:12] <dwatkins> kvarley: an Android phone emulator, perhaps?
[09:13] <popey> qemu
[09:13] <dwatkins> What kind of ARM binary are we talking?
[09:13] <popey> why would you want to though?
[09:13] <kvarley> The Minecraft-Pi edition
[09:14] <bigcalm> kvarley: buy the game, it's worth the price
[09:14] <kvarley> bigcalm: I already own it :)
[09:14] <bigcalm> kvarley: good :)
[09:15] <kvarley> It was purely to open up a LAN game to more people without Pis
[09:15] <bigcalm> Can the RPi version connect to normal servers?
[09:16] <kvarley> bigcalm: I suspect not since it is forked from the pocket edition
[09:17] <kvarley> bigcalm: Will be interesting to see if it can connect to pocket edition servers tho
[09:17] <bigcalm> I see
[09:20] <popey> MartijnVdS: interesting you get 4.2.2, I'm on 4.2.1 on nexus 4
[09:20] <popey> what's new?
[09:22] <dwatkins> I might give it a go on my Pi when I get home. It's currently a temperature sensor thanks to munin.
[09:27] <kvarley> bigcalm: Running the demo of Pocket Edition on my tablet and Pi Edition on my Pi both can see the server when the other is in a game but it fails to connect.
[09:27] <popey> does pi edition use the same auth stuff?
[09:28] <kvarley> popey: No user accounts are needed for pocket edition
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: I haven't seen anything different yet
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: apparently it fixes bluetooth streaming
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: (I upgraded before I got the notification using adb + http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1337)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: the update is almost 50M though, and from the size of the patch files, it's mostly updates to the pre-installed apps
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/12/android-4-2-2-update-reportedly-arriving-on-galaxy-nexus-phones/
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/android-4-2-2-brings-bluetooth-audio-fixes-to-nexus-phones-and-tablets/
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[10:03] <DJones> Morning all
[10:11] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:11] <BigRedS> I've decided that we need an internal pastebin at work. What should I apt-get install and then see Just Work? :)
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: we use https://github.com/claudehohl/Stikked
[10:14] <AlanBell> pnopaste is in the repos
[10:14] <dwatkins> there's also hastebin: http://hastebin.com/about.md
[10:17] <BigRedS> Oooh, ta!"
[10:21] <AlanBell> pnopaste works, you need to  sudo ln -s /etc/pnopaste/apache2.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/pnopaste.conf
[10:21] <AlanBell> then it is at host/pnopaste
[10:26] <BigRedS> Yeah, pnopaste looks about right since it's all Perl and that's all I've got on the system I plan to use
[10:26] <BigRedS> Just need to translate the apache config into lighty
[10:26] <BigRedS> ta!
[10:30] <bigcalm> Can you specify a pastebin for use with pastebinit?
[10:30] <bigcalm> That would then be a good combination
[10:30] <BigRedS> blimey, it's really short on why I need to do some of these things - seems to reckon I'll want a utility for pasting to this pastebin from the server it's running on...
[10:32] <BigRedS> ah yeah, apt-get. that was the plan...
[10:34] <AlanBell> BigRedS: yes, you can
[10:34] <bigcalm> AlanBell: which big was that meant for?
[10:34] <AlanBell> conf files are in /usr/share/pastebin.d
[10:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:08] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[11:10] <bigcalm> Morning kids
[11:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: you know some of us are older than you don't you :P
[11:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: only by age ;)
[11:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[11:58]  * Laney calls the council tax office to voluntarily pay more
[11:58] <Laney> :S :S :S
[11:58] <Laney> well, not exactly voluntarily
[11:58] <bigcalm> Laney: I know another good home for unwanted money
[11:59]  * davmor2 ups Laney 's air tax
[11:59]  * Laney steals a compulsory piggy back on davmor2 
[11:59] <Laney> TO THE COOKIE STATION
[12:00] <Laney> I just need to tell them that my girlfriend has moved in
[12:00] <Laney> so no more 25% discount
[12:01] <bigcalm> Laney: is she paying her way?
[12:03] <Laney> hope so :P
[12:03] <bigcalm> o.O
[12:05] <Laney> it is done
[12:06] <Laney> (95 / 75) * 100 = 126.66666666666667
[12:06]  * Laney weeps
[12:06] <davmor2> Laney: oh but come one what a way to have to pay more money
[12:07] <Laney> haha
[12:07] <Laney> it is for a good reason
[12:10] <davmor2> Laney: ouch where the hell do you live so I know to never move there
[12:10] <Laney> http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1178
[12:11] <Laney> is that higher than average?
[12:12] <davmor2> Laney: http://www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/council/council_tax/council+tax+bands+and+charges.htm
[12:12] <davmor2> and I thought ours was high
[12:12] <Laney> actually I think I'm only band B so I probably got my calculation wrong
[12:13] <Laney> yeah average band D is 1444
[12:13] <bigcalm> http://www.telford.gov.uk/site/scripts/download_info.aspx?fileID=1257&categoryID=200028
[12:13] <bigcalm> I have no idea which band we're in
[12:14] <bigcalm> D for me would be 1,413.56
[12:15] <popey> i have no idea either
[12:15] <Laney> so yeah nottingham is quite high
[12:15] <AlanBell> 192/month for us, but I think it is over 10 or 11 months for some reason
[12:15] <davmor2> popey: yours will be higher you are too close to ye olde ye London towne
[12:16] <kvarley1> Any way for me to change the Skype icon to a higher resolution one? Looks ugly in the beautiful Alt + Tab interface Ubuntu has
[12:16] <Laney> we got a flyer from the council complaining that they are being affected by cuts more then southern councils
[12:17] <Laney> don't know how true that is
[12:17] <davmor2> kvarley1: goto /usr/share/icons and I think it is in there just swap it out for a higher res one ensuring it has the same permissions
[12:17] <kvarley1> davmor2: Ok, thanks
[12:18] <bigcalm> I would be happy for our council tax to go up if it meant that services continued to get funded (hurts more when my Hayley works in the council and feels the pressure of cuts and no support)
[12:18] <davmor2> Laney: yeah it is cause the big girlie southerns can't do 2 peoples jobs like they can up T'north
[12:19] <popey> whippets, flat caps, coal etc
[12:19] <Laney> I was happy when they responded to my fixmystreet request to fix some potholes saying that they would do it :P
[12:19] <czajkowski> Laney: did they actually do it ?
[12:19] <Laney> not yet ...
[12:19] <czajkowski> or jsut respond to you?
[12:19] <czajkowski> :)
[12:20] <Laney> 28 working days from jan 22nd
[12:20] <davmor2> Laney: we've only been waiting 3 years for them to fix our carpark and we still aren't even on the list for alterations yet
[12:20] <Laney> heh
[12:20] <Laney> get your councillors involved
[12:20] <davmor2> Laney: that was with the Councillors involved
[12:21] <czajkowski> back home home I lived ina  small village councillors would often knock on your doors to see how things were going even before elections so you could bend their ears
[12:21] <Laney> cute
[12:21] <davmor2> Laney: they have to get the budget for it as 15 parking spaces for 132 flats is a bit low
[12:22] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's your fault for having a car
[13:22] <AlanBell> any cheap home printer recommendations?
[13:22] <AlanBell> not an inkjet
[13:25] <davmor2> AlanBell: Samsung
[13:25] <davmor2> AlanBell: HP
[13:26] <popey> I would ask tkamppeter__ ☺
[13:26] <AlanBell> who?
[13:26] <popey> the guy who maintains printers for basically all linux distros
[13:26] <popey> (and works for us)
[13:26] <popey> he runs linuxprinting.org
[13:27] <AlanBell> ok, thanks
[13:29] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/397339-dell-1160w-mono-laser-printer-210-40394 given that this one is wireless it should be standard postscript or something right?
[13:29] <davmor2> AlanBell: I have the Samsung clp-300 sits here quite happily, you have to add the splix and foo2zjs but then cups handles it fine I think the newer version is the 310  you can get non-branded toner from amazon and ebay for about £20 for the set
[13:30] <davmor2> AlanBell: I had a dell you had to goto their website and grab a driver but only the print part work the scanner never did :(  However the hp I got next did :)
[13:30] <Azelphur> looks like bitcoin is booming again
[13:30]  * Azelphur called this ~8 months ago xD
[13:39]  * AlanBell ordered the Dell
[13:40] <popey> AlanBell: be interested to know how it goes, I'm after a laser
[13:41] <AlanBell> I was tempted to get one of these http://www.ebuyer.com/386208-ricoh-sp100-laser-printer-ricohsp100?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products and make it work somehow
[13:41] <AlanBell> but as it is for the kids I figured that the instant gratification of a printer that is likely to work was better than the fun of beating sense into one that won't
[13:43] <DJones> In byobu, what does a red "1#" stand for on the bottom line, I thought it was to do with updates, but I've just run update & upgrade with no change to "1#"
[13:43] <AlanBell> £20 for a printer including cartridge, and when that runs out a refil cartridge is £59.99
[13:43] <AlanBell> DJones: I have 2#
[13:44] <amayer_> AlanBell: thats how the market for printers is
[13:44] <DJones> I wondered whether it could be the number of users logged in
[13:45] <AlanBell> users
[13:45] <AlanBell> alan alan alan alan alan alan alan
[13:45] <DJones> Yeah, just found it on the man page
[13:46] <DJones> Thanks anyway
[13:47] <AlanBell> wonder why mine says 2# and not 1 or 7
[13:47] <popey> its the window number
[13:47] <popey> if you open some and close 0 then you'll still have 1
[13:47] <popey> they don't re-number as you close windows
[13:53] <DJones> Grr, why don't hospitals have video camera's in the theatre's so you know were abouts surgery is up to
[13:55] <popey> maybe the machines should tweet
[13:55] <popey> *beep*
[13:55] <popey> *beep*
[13:55] <popey> *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*
[13:55] <popey> j/k - *beep*
[13:55] <popey> etc
[13:56] <mgdm> "@ECGMachine: OMG! @CrashTeam get here now!"
[13:56] <DJones> That could be interesting
[14:01] <popey> AlanBell: http://www.ebuyer.com/321919-samsung-ml-2160-mono-laser-printer-ml-2160-xeu
[14:01] <popey> looks suspiciously like your dell
[14:02] <BigRedS> Dells always used to be lexmarks
[14:02] <AlanBell> the dell has wifi
[14:04] <popey> so does the samsung
[14:04] <popey> well, the 2165W variant does ☺
[14:05] <popey> so does the 2160 allegedly
[14:05] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spt3c6TYtxo this Korean video explains it clearly ☺
[14:13] <knightwise> hey everyone
[14:13] <popey> hello
[14:15] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B006LFQU9S/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
[14:15] <popey> not good reviews
[14:16] <AlanBell> well as long as it means I don't get woken up early to drive a small person to the office to print out their homework that they should have done the day before then I am cool
[14:17] <popey> hah
[14:17] <AlanBell> "Samsung customer service is to customer satisfaction what King Herod is to playgroups." yeah, that isn't a great review is it
[14:17] <popey> http://www.amazon.com/Dell-1160w-Wireless-Monochrome-Printer/product-reviews/B008HZFB3G
[14:17] <popey> this guy seems to think it's not wireless, how odd
[14:17] <popey> maybe he bought a diff one and reviewed that one instead
[14:18] <knightwise> any idea when the first developement releases will be out of the ubuntu phone os ?
[14:18] <penguin42> my ml1640 isn't as reliable as my previous sammy printer; it tends to take a couple of goes to get it to pick up paper
[14:18] <popey> "soon"
[14:19] <knightwise> thanx popey :)
[14:24] <popey> sorry I can't be more specific
[14:43] <bigcalm> Before the October date that Mark said we would have Ubuntu phones? ;)
[14:43] <bigcalm> (I think it was October?)
[14:57] <popey> yes
[14:57] <popey> we will release the source and some sample developer images for a couple of popular devices
[15:01] <AlanBell> what was the October quote in relation to?
[15:02] <amayer_> knightwise: im just as eager as you to play with one
[15:02] <AlanBell> "two large geographical markets" in October
[15:02] <AlanBell> antarctica, and one other
[15:03] <amayer_> AlanBell: haha
[15:03] <penguin42> AlanBell: Mars
[15:05] <popey> ☺
[15:05] <popey> Mars and Venus
[15:05] <penguin42> popey: It's good of you to volunteer to be the onsite support
[15:05] <popey> I can't say. But there's a lot of wild speculation, and most of it is wrong.
[15:05] <popey> I wish!
[15:05] <mungbean_> india
[15:05] <mungbean_> china
[15:06] <penguin42> popey: I'm sure Mark knows someone with a rocket to get you there....
[15:06] <mungbean_> south africa
[15:06] <popey> Yes, keep all these expectations in mind. They can only either be met or exceeded.
[15:06] <AlanBell> mungbean_: I don't know if they can translate and design applications for RTL and so on to go to those markets in that timescale
[15:06] <AlanBell> I think it has to be an English language market
[15:07] <penguin42> AlanBell: Ubuntu has pretty good translations for a vast range of languages and there are devs working everywhere, so I doubt it would be too hard
[15:07] <AlanBell> penguin42: RTL isn't just a translation issue
[15:08] <penguin42> AlanBell: Yeh but it's already handled in most libraries isn't it?
[15:09] <AlanBell> I am sure QML has reasonable support for it, yes
[15:10] <AlanBell> but that isn't the same as saying all the core applications are going to be written by the community https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/grid where they are all in english so far
[15:10] <AlanBell> and they are going to just look awesome when you just translate the strings to chinese?
[15:11] <AlanBell> we don't have ubuntu font coverage for chinese or korean
[15:11] <AlanBell> we do have the new rupee sign though
[15:15] <penguin42> yeh font coverage I guess takes a lot of work
[15:21] <mungbean_> ubuntu should release a phone in countries shackled by carrier contracts
[15:21] <mungbean_> australians and USians have that trouble don't they?
[15:24] <AlanBell> they should do something disruptive and unique
[15:24] <AlanBell> competing directly with iPhone and Android on level terms would be a brave strategy
[15:24] <AlanBell> possibly even courageous
[15:31] <penguin42> I guess in some ways it's not that hard to do; you can ask one of the hardware OEMs to install this image rather than that presumably fairly simply
[15:32] <penguin42> getting people to buy it, or carriers to support it may be somewhat harder
[15:32] <popey> not necessarily
[15:32] <popey> we've been talking to handset manufacturers and carriers
[15:32] <popey> not just handset manufacturers
[15:32] <penguin42> what's the attraction to the carriers?
[15:33] <popey> well, look at android
[15:33]  * penguin42 looks at his android
[15:33] <popey> odm designs hardware with a platform in mind
[15:34] <popey> oem takes hardware, puts that software on it, sells it
[15:34] <popey> carrier takes that handset and sells to consumers in stores
[15:34] <popey> customer takes the device home, buys stuff from google play..
[15:34] <popey> neither the carrier nor oem nor odm see any of that revenue
[15:35] <popey> Go to Google, do not collect £200.
[15:35] <penguin42> hmm true; the carriers do tend to add their own apps, but yeh that's true
[15:36] <popey> also, in order to put GoogleOS on your handset you have to agree to somewhat onerous contracts.
[15:36] <popey> "Don't be evil" though, so that's all okay.
[15:37] <penguin42> popey: Working with carriers must be interesting, you get into all the stuff of how to push updates over their network etc
[15:37] <popey> indeed. that'll be fun
[15:43] <kvarley> Does anybody know if there is a plugin for pidgin which will add the game I'm currently playing on steam to my status?
[15:43] <mungbean_> carrier software on phones is the worst kind of bloatware
[15:55] <BigRedS> yeah, it's like buying a Windows PC
[15:55] <BigRedS> You need to decide whether to reinstall just the OS you want and risk not being able to reinstall any handy bundled utils, or to just leave it be and tolerate it
[15:57] <penguin42> which reminds me, I must upgrade my cyanogen install
[15:57] <BigRedS> haha, I think I'm still on an RC
[15:58] <penguin42> yeh me to, I'm on a 7RC I think, I think there's a 10 out for it now
[15:59] <BigRedS> I've no idea what number I'm on :) I think it's the current stable for everything else but the S2 took ages to stabilise
[15:59] <BigRedS> and it's old now
[15:59] <penguin42> mines a couple of years old
[16:04] <penguin42> hmm the 10.x isn't an official cyanogen build
[16:05] <mungbean_> they never are
[16:05] <mungbean_> 10.x on my touchpad doing fine
[16:06] <mungbean_> my htc desire never got higher than cm7x
[16:06] <penguin42> yeh this is a zte blade, someone seems to have done the 10.x stuff separtely
[16:08] <mungbean_> no major gains on the phone OS for me, but tablet form factor is improved in cm10
[16:58] <andylockran> hi
[17:23] <davmor2> hmmmmmmm I wonder whats for tea....... Oh Yeah PANCAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:54] <kvarley1> I suspect that my router is causing me to disconnect from games on Wii U. I want to setup my laptop as a wireless access point that defers DHCP to my router, is that possible? How would I go about this?
[17:54] <dwatkins> ah it's *that* Tuesday
[17:56] <davmor2> dwatkins: Oh yeah baby!
[20:37] <DJones> Hmmh, does this count as "extreme camping"? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BC7Xvo0CAAAO7iz.jpg:large
[20:38] <dwatkins> DJones: super duper extreme camping, most definitely
[20:39] <penguin42> I guess that's for climbers who can't complete a face in ne day?
[20:42] <DJones> Never having climbed anything like that, I won't call them wimps for giving up half way :)
[20:43] <penguin42> me neither
[20:45] <dwatkins> I imagine it's a matter of the time to climb, yeah.
[20:45] <amayer_> that would be awesome!!!
[20:51]  * penguin42 guesses it gets even more 'interesting' if it gets windy
[20:54] <dwatkins> Don't forget Extreme Ironing... http://i.imgur.com/bFT1y.jpg
[20:55] <amayer_> o.O
[20:55] <dwatkins> haha, there's even a calendar: http://imgur.com/a/YC9Od
[20:56] <DJones> Maybe popey could do the ironing while in that campsite :)
[21:20] <ali1234> (15:36:25) popey: neither the carrier nor oem nor odm see any of that revenue
[21:20] <ali1234> not strictly true since samsung devices have a samsung branded app store
[21:20] <ali1234> and then you have operator billing too
[21:21] <ali1234> ODM and carrier see plenty of post sale revenue from android devices
[21:23] <penguin42> ali1234: Your roundtrip time is incredible :-)
[21:31] <popey> ali1234: I specifically said google play store ☺
[21:31] <ali1234> google play store supports operator billing
[21:31] <popey> that was in refernce to your samsung store comment
[22:11] <Myrtti> popey: are you getting the N4 fixed then? I suppose it's cheaper than buying a new one
[22:30] <popey> Myrtti: will phone LG tomorrow and find out, their website claims 130 quid for all repairs
[22:30] <popey> Azelphur: what was the bug you had where the cursor disappeared? I have had it in gedit
[22:32] <Azelphur> popey: minimise gedit -> cursor disappears
[22:33] <Azelphur> seems to have gone away now that I stopped using Ubuntu's compiz, though.
[22:36]  * directhex moos
[23:01] <popey> Azelphur: did you file or find a bug?
[23:01] <Azelphur> I think I found a bug, it was on the debian list iirc
[23:15]  * penguin42 has seen a bunch of disappearing cursor problems for a couple of years
[23:18] <penguin42> hmm can't find the bug number
[23:20] <popey> I'll have a look in the morning
[23:21] <Azelphur> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662099
[23:45] <ali1234> xorg:fglrx - ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (Proprietary, Disabled, In use)
[23:45] <ali1234> wat
[23:51] <penguin42> interesting combination
[23:51] <penguin42> ali1234: Does that mean was installed, you've disabled it but haven't quite X since asking for that?
[23:52] <ali1234> no, it means i had a working setup and then did sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates
[23:53] <ali1234> which removes fglrx, and makes fglrx-updates "in use" and "disabled" at the same time, so it does not work
[23:53] <ali1234> then i did sudo apt-get install fglrx
[23:53] <ali1234> which does the same thing but with fglrx
[23:53] <penguin42> curious
[23:53] <ali1234> then i punched jockey until it worked
[23:56] <penguin42> yes, you do have to remind it whose side it's supposed to be on every so often