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Malinussso under session and startup settings. And under application autostart, each time I add a new thing, it just gets deleted when I close the window. Also I'm not abel to locate the .config folder, even though im under home/user...00:14
moetunesMalinuss:  it might be a permissions issue - in a terminal do   ls -lah   and check that your user owns the files00:16
Malinussmoetunes, I see, how would I start the "application autostart" as a command?00:17
moetunesI have no idea - I always use the menu for that00:17
MalinussI only have one user, is it possible to give that user root access, or whatever it is called?00:17
knomeMalinuss, if you only have one user, that user has sudoing rights.00:18
moetunesit should have been set up like that at the install - use sudo <command>00:18
knomeMalinuss, that's not the problem. did you try with moetunes proposed?00:18
Malinussnot yet, I will try in a second00:18
Malinuss(not on the computer)00:18
Malinussapperently the added commands at startup were actually saved, and all reparead at the start of the system... Hmm guess it's a bug? usig ls -lah I can see the .config in blue, what does that mean?00:25
koegsit means that it is a folder00:26
MalinussI see00:27
GridCubehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA01:16
alch3m157anyone here use xubuntu and awesome together? i want to use compiz with awesome wm together01:24
moetunesalch3m157:  compiz and awesomewm are both window managers you can't use them at the same time01:25
CatbuntuThat's what I told him hehe01:25
alch3m157seriously? aw man, that blows! :(01:26
bulletrulzhey is it possible to have aglobal menu in xubuntu 12.1004:39
holsteinbulletrulz: xubuntu is open, so, in theory, anything is possible04:41
holsteinbulletrulz: what are you looking for? what are you considering a "global menu"?04:41
bulletrulzholstein, trying to make my xubuntu install look like ubuntu u know the ubuntu thing like mac has it too04:42
holsteinbulletrulz: acutally, lets pretend i dont, and fill me in on what you are looking for, as far as functionality04:43
holsteinyou mean, you want to hit the super key and have a hud?04:43
holsteinor the apple space search?04:43
bulletrulzumm its hard to explain like the umm u know file blah blah blah lol04:44
holsteinbulletrulz: no, i dont.. but you can take a screen shot, or elaborate on the blah...04:44
holsteinbulletrulz: you want something like gnome-do?04:44
bulletrulzholstein, the thing at the top http://files.myopera.com/mazwarbz/blog/ubuntu%20osx.png04:44
holsteinkupfer, synapse?04:44
holsteinbulletrulz: the panel at the top?04:45
bulletrulzholstein, yeah u see the thiong that says file and all that04:45
holsteinbulletrulz: the way main ubuntu does it is like that.. the panel "eats" the menu items04:46
holsteinbulletrulz: OSX does it that way too04:46
bulletrulzholstein, this http://lh3.ggpht.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/S9cZZRwKCbI/AAAAAAAAA7M/Ki2XhQ1h574/uubuntumac_cropped.jpg04:46
holsteinbulletrulz: i have *not* tested this04:47
holsteinhttp://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=14610204:47
bulletrulzholstein, Currently only Ubuntu Oneiric is supported04:49
holsteinbulletrulz: ?04:51
bulletrulzholstein, yeah i did my research and it says it doesent work with xubutnu 12.10 D:04:51
holsteinbulletrulz: it?04:52
holsteinbulletrulz: i would just grab the .debs and try it.. but im running 12.04 anyways04:52
holsteinbulletrulz: sounds like you'll need to decide04:52
holsteinbulletrulz: you can deal with it "as-is".. install 12.04 and that ppa.. or see what that ppa is doing and try and emulate it04:52
holsteinOR, just try the .deb's in 12.1004:53
holsteinhttp://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=774504:54
holsteinhttps://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/04:55
holsteinhttps://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnome-globalmenu-xfce4/ suggests the same04:55
donnieAnyone know of a good, solid, reliable, and constant free vpn?05:44
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nikolamok, I have a problem.08:43
nikolamI have 32-bit install of xubuntu 12.04 LTS08:43
amiuk08:44
nikolamAnd since day 1 of installation, it is popping up bug reports08:44
nikolamand it is doing that every single day08:44
amiuthe bug reporting feature became more aggressive as of version 1208:44
nikolamlsb_release and apport themselves are popping up reports08:44
nikolambut I think that it is not doing reporting actually08:45
nikolamthat reporting itself is crashing08:45
nikolamhere it is. apport-gtk has closed unexpectedly08:45
nikolam"try restarting computer"08:46
nikolam"internal error"08:46
amiuyikes.08:46
nikolamis there a way for me to report them manually to those things I suffer from get finally reported with full log?08:47
amiuyes let me pull up a link for you08:47
nikolamI used to do manual reports on LP long ago, but I suppose there are some logs to pick up to report, too.08:48
amiuhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Reporting_a_Bug08:48
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Waynezccit works!!!10:59
baizonit always works! :>11:00
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snowrichardhello12:51
snowrichardi got dual monitor set up hdmi and vga.12:52
snowrichardradeon video12:52
snowrichardjust set up my canon wireless printer that was easy12:55
ZelouilleHi. On a Xubuntu 12.10 (virtualized), I can't install graphically a (previously downloaded) .deb while being offline. The software-center (which is the default program for .deb files) need a connection to install it. While Gdebi don't. Is it a bug or a feature ?13:28
Zelouille("dpkg -i" works great in console. Gdebi too, if I install it.)13:29
Unit193It requires a connection?  Is there some sort of "Work Offline" mode?13:35
ZelouilleUnit193: it seams that it requires a connection yes. The "install" button is disabled when I'm not connected. I don't find a "work offline" mode.14:01
Pretenderhi14:09
Unit193Zelouille: And you have all the dependencies already installed?14:20
ZelouilleUnit193: yes, as I said, it works great with "dpkg -i" or Gdebi.14:26
Unit193dpkg -i wouldn't check, gdebi does though.  I would report a bug with USC in that case.14:33
GermainZCould somebody tell me what's the command to open the applications' menu? I accidentally removed the alt+f1 shortcut.15:21
ochosiGermainZ: you can either right-click the desktop15:22
ochosior you can add the plugin to the panel (right-click panel > add new items > application menu)15:23
GermainZThanks, but not what I asked for. :)15:23
GermainZFound it: xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu15:26
K1rkHas anyone ever seen this issue with a WINE program, where you can not actually click anything even though the mouse movement and mouseover works?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=211378715:49
holsteinK1rk: you mean, a windows program running in wine?15:51
K1rkholstein, yes.15:52
holsteini would say, you can see *anything* with a windows application running where its not designed or supported to run15:52
K1rkI agree.15:52
K1rkBut that doesn't change the fact that I've been asked to make this software work.  So, just seeing if anyone has any ideas of anything I haven't tried.15:52
holsteinthe issue is, what can you do about it?.. i mean, there is nothing preventing linux/ubuntu from being supported natively15:52
holsteinK1rk: you've been asked?15:53
K1rkholstein, yep.15:53
K1rkholstein, I have no desire to use "Online Coach" lol15:53
holsteinif this were missions critical, or "paid" work.. i wouldnt use wine15:53
K1rkholstein, I work in educational IT, and we are a Linux school now.15:54
K1rkWe have a lot of legacy software we're doing in WINE in production.15:54
K1rkI agree it's ill advised, but we're trying to phase out software as best we can and push for web tools.15:54
holsteinK1rk: i would consider using linux software15:54
K1rkholstein, yep, me too, but it was purchased without them consulting us.15:54
K1rkHappens a lot.15:55
K1rkUsually we get it working.15:55
holsteinK1rk: sure.. but an update can break it.. anytime15:55
holsteinK1rk: and no one is responsible15:55
holsteinif it were me, for mission critical software, i would do i natively15:55
K1rkPreaching to the choir holstein.15:55
holsteinotherwise, this is literally going to be an ongoing process of trial and error and fixing.. assuming you can "fix" it15:56
K1rkYep... hence why if you read my thread I'm using PlayOnLinux.  That will keep the WINE version constant.15:56
K1rkSo far we have been running a lot of production software (exam generators, etc) under WINE and have not had any compatibility problems with updates yet.15:56
holsteinK1rk: what would i do? make friends with someone in the wine team.. xubuntu doesnt do anything with playonlinux or wine15:56
holsteinK1rk: yeah?15:57
holsteinK1rk: i thought you were here due to a compaitiblit issue?15:57
K1rkThis is new software... our software we got working before has not randomly broken.15:57
holsteinK1rk: but, again.. im not trying to be combative, just realistic.. you *will* have issues.. and i wish you lick15:57
K1rkI agree that it could. In principle.15:57
holsteinluck*15:57
holsteinK1rk: i would get *very* envolved with the wine team15:57
K1rkAnd yes I know it's not an xubuntu issue, but we are running xubuntu, and I've gotten a lot of good answers from this channel before about WINE stuff, etc.15:59
K1rk#wine on freenode is invite-only unfortunately15:59
knome#winehq15:59
holsteinyeah, #winehq seems like the place to be16:00
K1rkOh, favorited, thank you.16:00
holsteinK1rk: you can also try the main #ubuntu channels.. no need to narrow your queries to xfce, or xubuntu16:01
K1rkYeah I asked there also.  I like this channel better, it's less crowded.16:01
holsteinK1rk: sure. with less volunteers... less wine users/supporters... a narrower search16:02
K1rkholstein, yeah true enough.16:02
holsteinK1rk: i would also consider the pay-for wine16:03
holsteinhttp://www.codeweavers.com/support/ ...you would actually have a support option16:04
Tr0zk0hi there! I need some help with wicd configuration in xfce16:15
Tr0zk0someone?16:16
Tr0zk0I want to setup wireless ad hoc networks, but I just can't seem to access wicd...16:17
holsteinTr0zk0: just ask.. wicd is also not only in XFCE, so the config will be similar no matter what you are using16:17
holsteinTr0zk0: are you wanting to do adhoc? or use wcid? or both?16:19
Tr0zk0both16:19
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc16:19
holsteinTr0zk0: is your hardware supported?16:20
Tr0zk0my hardware supports wireless, I used to do that on windows...16:20
holsteinTr0zk0: windows support is not the same as what you will get in linux16:21
holsteinTr0zk0: not always16:21
holsteini would check out that adhoc document i linked, and make sure you have supported hardware, and you realize the limitations.. try it the way the doc suggests.. then you can try using wicd16:22
Tr0zk0doing it, thx16:22
GridCubeok, i want to do a do-release-upgrade16:39
GridCubebut it says there is no new version available, and thats not true16:40
GridCubeoh... it might want to do a lts upgrade and thats why it fails16:40
holsteinGridCube: you can try that checkbox in the GUI... but i wouldnt think that should keep it from happening16:40
GridCubecheckbox?16:41
holsteinGridCube: like, if you install in LTS, the dropdown menu is set to "only LTS releases"16:41
holsteinGridCube: though, like i said, i cant imagine that being related...16:41
GridCubeoh i had to use the -d flag16:42
GridCube:D16:42
GridCube\o/ yay!16:42
NewbSo, I'm experiencing the 'can't load plug-in' glitch in chrome. I found A workaround is to remove  ~/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash17:01
NewbBut I don't know how to do that. *_*17:01
NewbCan anyone walk me through it?17:01
NewbPretend I'm your grandma.17:02
Unit193So it's not this http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=173790 right?17:04
NewbOkay, can you hear me now?17:07
NewbI think that -is- the problem.17:08
NewbIssue 173790, I mean.17:09
Unit193It is fixed now, so if you remove that folder (maybe need to update chrome too?) it should be fixed I'd think.17:09
Unit193PepperFlash .139 is out, so that could be part of the fix.17:10
ZelouilleUnit193: Oh, thanks, I didn't know that dpkg wouldn't check the dependencies. So, how do you install a .deb with his dependencies by a command line ? apt-get can do that ?17:10
NewbOkay, where do I find that folder?17:11
Unit193Zelouille: I still use dpkg -i then sudo apt-get install -f to get the rest.  As you already know, you can also use gdebi (gdebi-gtk being the GUI.)  As for USC?  I don't use it and it's not been on my system for a long time now, but I'd think that's not expected that it fails if you aren't connected.17:13
NewbI wish I could understand any of that~*_*17:13
Unit193Newb: The folder you listed, ~/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash, open a terminal and paste (very carefully!!)  rm -Iv ~/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash17:14
Unit193Newb: That message before wasn't to you, it was to the other person.17:14
NewbThat doesn't change my wish~ ^///^17:15
NewbOkay, I'll see... If I can do what you say.17:15
moetunedNewb: open the file manager and  hit the Ctrl+h keys and you'll see the .config folder17:15
NewbOh gosh... Um... How do I get to the file manager?17:15
Unit193-Ivr, rather (I prompts you to confirm, -v lists what's been removed, and -r will remove the folders contents)17:16
NewbIs that the 'File System' icon on my desktop?17:17
Unit193Newb: The one that says "Home"17:17
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NewbOkay, I found Home17:18
NewbThere's one folder in there, with my name on it17:18
NewbPressing Ctrl+h opens home on my browser, nothing in the file17:19
NewbHello? Shall I try again later?17:23
Unit193Newb: You could try removing it however you like, but ~/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash should be the thing to remove.17:24
NewbI just don't know how to find it~ V_V;17:25
Unit193rm -Irv ~/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash  in a terminal window is the easier way, as all you have to do is paste it and answer the question it gives, just make sure it's correct.17:25
Newbokay, I managed to open a terminal window17:26
Newbbut it won't let me type in it or paste in it17:27
NewbOh, I found the paste button17:27
Newband pasted what you put17:27
xubuntu876hi all .. does someone know how to change the xubuntu username in the live-cd -- the usual way to change /etc/casper.conf doesnt work because the file gets somewhere modified17:27
Newbbut it isn't asking me anything17:27
MalinussIf I want to go into a directory that has space in it, I always get a error17:32
Unit193xubuntu876: That's what I did and it worked.17:34
Unit193Malinuss: Via thunar or terminal+cd ?  You need to either quote it, or escape it  eg cd My\ Files17:35
MalinussUnit193, just via terminal cd17:35
Malinussterminal, using the cd command that is17:35
MalinussUnit193, okay quotes worked, thanks17:36
ZelouilleUnit193: ok, I see. Installing the .deb first, then his dependencies, it makes sens. And I thought Gdebi was only a GUI, nice to hear it has a command line too. Thank you Unit193, you were a great help.17:36
Unit193xubuntu876: Sorry, I changed something else too, this works though: http://0bin.net/paste/16cc78c6a893b271d30de10c23303d1dad256e92#m1KaYUEs3Zyij/YCvMWH5RDTBg2G4vmRwNt98IQJMrQ=17:37
Unit193Zelouille: Glad I could help!  I thought the same about gdebi too, until someone else told me.  Only issue with dpkg -i is when you half-install something that you can't fill the depends of.17:38
Newb_Thanks Unit! I finally figured it out, and now everythings working fine. <317:44
Newb_I named my flash aquarium spikey fish after you~ XD17:46
ZelouilleUnit193: yes, I understand. That's why I will use Gdebi instead. I'm quite surprised Gdebi is not installed by default for that reason. Thanks again.17:46
Unit193Newb_: Heh, glad it works now!17:47
Unit193Zelouille: Sure thing!17:47
KuzorraHello everyone & Guten Abend!18:02
ZelouilleUnit193: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/926763 I've just found this bug of USC is already known.18:04
ubottuUbuntu bug 926763 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Cannot install local packages (.deb files) without network connection (offline)" [Medium,Triaged]18:04
KuzorraI need help with a UEFI installation, anybody willing to explain the necessary steps for me?18:04
Kuzorra....Win7 on disk already, wanted to add xubuntu 12.04 for dual boot.18:05
Unit193Zelouille: Last comment looks good, hopefully it'll be fixed before release.18:06
Unit193!uefi | This has pretty much all you should need18:06
ubottuThis has pretty much all you should need: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI18:06
KuzorraI've read lots of stuff by now, but I'm not sure what to do:18:07
KuzorraI installed from USB, bootet in UEFI Mode and tried "automatic" alongside win718:07
Unit193Kuzorra: Download 64bit version, 32 won't cut it for one.18:08
Kuzorra(I mean I booted USB in UEFI mode, then installed)18:08
KuzorraIt's 64bit18:08
KuzorraXubuntu 12.04 64bit, I thought it would create all the partitions needed automatically !18:10
Kuzorrabut only windows boots, no grub, and in live mode there is no such thing as "boot repair"18:11
Kuzorraboot repair is recommended in Ubuntus help, but it's not included in Xubuntu 12.0418:13
KuzorraAnybody ?18:13
GridCubeyou need to create a dedicated partition at the begining of the disk for uefi18:14
GridCubedont ask me why i never did it, but from people who have done it thats what they said18:15
ZelouilleKuzorra: I've heard 12.04 don't works with the "Secure boot". So you may need to install 12.10 64 bit instead. Also, sometimes your Windows is installed in Bios (Legacy) mode, while you're USB keys boot in UEFI by default. You need to know in what mode your Windows is installed.18:15
Zelouilleyour* USB keys, sorry.18:16
KuzorraThanks gridcube, but would it also be possible to create a live-cd with ubuntu to boot & repair my xubuntu installation?18:16
GridCubeKuzorra, yes, bootrepair should know what to do18:17
GridCube!bootrepair18:17
GridCubemen ubottu18:17
GridCube!info boot-repair18:17
ubottuPackage boot-repair does not exist in quantal18:17
GridCubeGGGGGGGGGGGGOOD GODS18:17
KuzorraWin7 should boot in Uefi, that's why I choose Uefi for Linux live-usb too! But I get no grub.18:17
GridCubehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair18:18
GridCubeKuzorra, ^^^^^^^^18:18
KuzorraI'll check ^^^18:18
KuzorraIt doesn't say which versions it works with18:19
GridCubeversion of what?18:19
KuzorraVersion of (X)ubuntu18:20
GridCubeall of the latests ones18:20
KuzorraI'm currently running windows, Xubuntu is only accessible via live-usb, so I'd have to leave the chat and reboot to try any of those suggestions18:21
GridCubeyes18:21
GridCubeyou should18:21
Kuzorrais it possible to convert my installation in an EASY way?18:21
GridCubeboot-repair its the best of all aproachs18:21
GridCubeits by far, and i mean by farest far, the easiest way18:22
Kuzorraso you're saying it should be possible to install it in my live system?18:22
GridCubeKuzorra, have you read the page?18:22
GridCubeits what you have to do, it works18:22
KuzorraThe page is talking about an ubuntu that comes with boot repair included, nothing about install18:23
KuzorraSORRY18:23
drcidiots18:23
GridCube?18:23
Kuzorrajust read it again, of course it should be possible......I hope it does!18:24
KuzorraThanks a lot for your help, I'll try it immediately!18:24
GridCube:) good luck18:24
xubuntu876hi all .. does someone know how to change the xubuntu username in the live-cd -- the usual way to change /etc/casper.conf doesnt work because the file gets somewhere modified18:29
Unit193xubuntu876: Please see what I said above.18:29
xubuntu876@unit193 ... username and host gets always changed back to xubuntu in the file18:35
Unit193xubuntu876: See the example config http://0bin.net/paste/16cc78c6a893b271d30de10c23303d1dad256e92#m1KaYUEs3Zyij/YCvMWH5RDTBg2G4vmRwNt98IQJMrQ= note the bottom part, very important!18:35
nicofsI need help booting xubuntu from usb key... after choosing "try out without installing" it stalls... why could that be?18:36
Unit193nicofs: How long have you waited?18:42
nicofsUnit193, more than acceptable... from minutes to letting it try for an hour...18:43
nicofsi386, amd64, xubuntu and ubuntu#18:43
xubuntu876@unit193 .. will check it .. i didnt comment out FLAVOUR .. but in the original file is written ubuntu not xubuntu .. so that is changed somewhere ..btw using 12.04 lts18:44
Unit193Indeed.  I'd recommend you hitting the "Check disk for defects", and remove the "quiet splash" options during boot.  You can also hit Esc when the Xubuntu throbber pulls up to show you what's going on more.18:44
xubuntu876ok .. im going to check18:46
nicofsCould not booting be a driver issue?18:47
KuzorraHey ho, it worked!18:47
KuzorraThanks again GridCube!18:47
GridCube:D18:48
GridCubewooooo :D18:48
KuzorraI tried boot-repair via apt-get before, but I forgot to add the repo.......noooob!18:48
KuzorraNow all you have to do is tell me how I can make the "Canoscan 3000" work :D18:49
KuzorraIt's my dad's machine and his old scanner won't work with win7, but it seems to be unsupported in xubuntu as well :-(18:50
Kuzorra.....neither SANE nor anything else seems to work with it, crappy Canon!18:51
Kuzorra....maybe I'll add XP as a third OS on a separate harddisk just for those rare scanning events.18:52
GridCubeKuzorra, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsane/+question/7726219:00
xubuntu876@unit193 i changed caspar.conf  .. now name changed but i end on the loginbox without a password knowing19:02
KuzorraHmmmm, seems tricky. I'll give it a shot later, right now I'm working on my machine19:15
Kuzorra....but the hint given is related to a devie named "N650U", maybe the 3000 will work with xsane anyway (although loads of other sites say it won't)19:18
Kuzorraafk, I'll check19:20
GridCubeGet:1936 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/main xfonts-mathml all 6ubuntu1 [42.5 kB] Fetched 1330 MB in 6s (61.6 kB/s)19:24
nicofsCan someone help me booting from usb? it just won't work and i don't know why...19:24
GridCubeP:19:24
GridCubenicofs, how are you making the usb boot?19:24
nicofsGridCube, startup disk creator and unetbootin19:25
nicofsnot at the same time, obviously19:25
GridCubeok19:25
GridCubedo your bios is set up to boot from usb? or can you press f11 or f12 to choose boot media?19:26
nicofsGridCube, i even get to either grub or the select menu - but after choosing any option (i.e. "try without installing") the process stalls.19:27
GridCubeok19:27
nicofsGridCube, i tried "nomodeset" - no change19:27
GridCubewhat computer do you have?19:27
nicofsGridCube, self-built... ASRock B75 Pro3-M Intel B75 board, Intel i5 and Geforce GTX 66019:29
GridCube!uefi | nicofs19:30
ubottunicofs: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI19:30
GridCubenicofs, please do, please, read that help page throughfully19:31
nicofsGridCube, so basically i need a different image...19:31
GridCubeno19:31
GridCubeno19:31
GridCubejust read19:31
nicofsGridCube, but why do they suggest the secure remix as step one?19:34
GridCubebecause they do, i cant avoid that19:34
nicofsGridCube, so i don't need that? otherwise i can start the download while i read through the rest...19:35
GridCubeyou dont need it, you can install the xubuntu iso19:35
GridCubeit has to be the 64bit one though19:35
nicofsGridCube, I did try to start in UEFI mode - and i get to the "try without..." bit. but after that installation stalls...19:38
GridCubei wouldnt happen to know how to help there nicofs19:38
GridCubeKuzorra, you there?19:39
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nicofsWhere would I set nomodeset in grub?19:49
nicofs'e' to edit options, obviously - but where do i add it?19:50
genii-aroundnicofs: Right after where you might see: quiet splash19:52
nicofsdamn... did that, doesn't solve the issue...19:53
nicofsAnyone expert on boot issues?19:54
genii-aroundIf it wasn't UEFI maybe :(19:58
nicofswhat really annoys me is that windows booted without issues...19:59
genii-aroundAs I gather that's sort of the reasoning behind it...20:04
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