* yofel wonders when the hell we were talking about making stable daily builds of kde00:04
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smartboyhw!testers | new images 20120213 has arrived 01:13
ubottunew images 20120213 has arrived: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information.01:13
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kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1123763] Veromix volume control broken by update. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123763 (by Daniel Clem)05:38
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apachelogger    QStringList scripts = KGlobal::dirs()->findAllResources("data", appName + "/init/*.js");07:48
apachelogger    scripts.sort();07:48
apacheloggerRiddell: that's why the plasma init script is not run07:48
shadeslayerdidn't we fix that already07:50
kubotushadeslayer meant: "didn't I fix that already"07:50
apacheloggernot upstream apparently?07:50
apacheloggerlooking at the sourcery right now07:50
shadeslayerI upstreamed it man07:50
shadeslayerI upstream all the things07:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: not fixed in the 4.8 branch07:51
shadeslayerpatch it patch it patch it07:52
shadeslayer4.8 was EOL07:52
apacheloggerthere also was no patch in 4.8.207:52
* shadeslayer sighs07:54
shadeslayer"I asked that to the kubuntu guys so i could use it myself, but it seems07:55
shadeslayerpackaging is too hard in ubuntu land and they never got back to me."07:55
shadeslayerwhen was this?07:55
shadeslayerfrom kde-packagers07:55
shadeslayersomeone should tell Albert about Project Neon :P07:56
apacheloggersomeone should tell Rohan about quoting of private lists07:57
shadeslayereh .. durrr 07:58
apacheloggerdon't see no such mail07:58
apacheloggerit was07:58
apachelogger    QStringList scripts = KGlobal::dirs()->findAllResources("data", appName + "/init/*.js");07:58
apachelogger    QStringList scriptPaths;07:58
apacheloggerthen it got a sort07:59
apacheloggerboth shit because master looks completely different07:59
shadeslayerwe could actually get rid of all the weird logic07:59
apacheloggerwell, not completely different07:59
apacheloggerjust vastly different07:59
apacheloggerwe should patch master into .508:00
shadeslayerdude, just look at my commit or sth08:00
apacheloggermuch nicer code08:00
shadeslayerthis is in workspace right?08:00
apacheloggerit uses findDirs rather than findAllResources and then builds the script paths manually08:00
apacheloggerlast function08:01
shadeslayeryus, that's me08:01
shadeslayeromg apachelogger said my code is nice08:01
shadeslayermy life is complete08:01
apacheloggerIIRC I came up with the algorithm :P08:02
apacheloggerdid not realize it was such a well thought through one08:02
shadeslayereh, no one here wanted to know that :P08:03
apacheloggershadeslayer: so you did not patch .8 for which you should get a beating really08:03
apacheloggerand that .sort there is what breaks it obviously08:03
shadeslayerno, I was under the assumption that .8 was EOL so it was pointless08:03
apacheloggerwhat with /usr/share/kde4 < /usr/share/kubuntu-*08:03
shadeslayerbut turns out we ship EOL software for precise08:03
apacheloggerversion+2 needs to be released for a release to go EOL upstream08:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: it was not EOL at the time08:04
shadeslayerand we discovered this issue in the first 4.10 release IIRC08:04
apacheloggerit only went EOL like 2 weeks ago :S08:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: nope08:04
apacheloggerthat should have been .908:04
shadeslayerfine, patch it08:05
apacheloggerotherwise they'd not have it backported to .8.508:05
apacheloggershadeslayer: u break it, you fix it :P08:05
shadeslayerI didn't break it08:05
shadeslayerMarco broke it :P08:05
apacheloggerI need to deal with all the other shit that I got told is broken yesterday08:05
shadeslayerwill have a look after lunch08:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: assigned it to you for the time being08:12
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)08:26
apacheloggeryofel_: btw, I have been thinking... since we track all of KDE SC branches under kubuntu-packaging for stable stuff a branch set could be done under a different project (kubuntu-packaging-precise-4.8.5 for example) that would IMO make excessive release branching a lot easier to parse and understand by humans08:35
apacheloggeri.e. instead of having the branches differ by name we make them differ by their containing project08:36
Mamarokapachelogger: and when will we have the new vlc backend packages? I still wait for 0.6.1...08:43
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [973205] nepomukservicestub crashed with SIGSEGV @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/973205 (by Søren Holm)08:44
Mamarokoh come on, we have backports PPAs08:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: bug 112376308:48
ubottubug 1123763 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu) "Veromix volume control broken by update." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112376308:48
shadeslayerapachelogger: sawn08:48
apacheloggerdo somethign with it then plz08:49
shadeslayerI propose you reply to that08:49
apacheloggercertainly not kde-runtime I say08:49
apacheloggershadeslayer: I did not look into it, you did...08:49
shadeslayerNo, I did not look into it either, i merely said that it was broken on raring08:49
shadeslayeryou had some choice words about it though :P08:49
apacheloggerthat will not help the fact that I do not have raring and someone reported a bug against -runtime so someone needs to check and find out whether -runtime is in fact affected, and if not move the bug somewhere else08:50
Mamarokapachelogger: shrug? Hello? Shouldn't you actually want packages to be distributed?08:51
apacheloggeractually no08:51
Mamaroksomebody else: could we have those new backend packages ASAP? We already skipped 0,6.1 that were important bugfixes08:51
Mamarokapachelogger: you suck08:52
apacheloggeryeah, not so much08:52
apacheloggerI have a 2 person QA policy08:52
apacheloggerboth releases were QA'd by one person08:52
apachelogger.1 had a regression08:52
apacheloggerso if that is any indication08:52
apachelogger.2 will have a regression08:52
Mamarokwell, why do you release, then? Don't you tst your stuff?08:52
apacheloggeryeah whatever08:53
yofel__shadeslayer: me, Harald and Albert talked about that a while ago here, I just can't find the discussion08:57
shadeslayeryofel__: oh okay08:58
yofel__(what you quoted was the release-team ML btw.)08:58
shadeslayeryofel__: true, I don't have a kde-packagers label, and since it was originally sent to kde-packagers, gmail applied the kde-packagers label to all the replies 08:58
yofel__apachelogger: would work I guess. It leaves the question what to do with our master branches around ~4.X.0 or even around RC's08:58
* shadeslayer makes a release-team label09:00
yofel__duplicate those and merge on release?09:00
yofel__that sounds like a shitload of work09:00
apacheloggeryofel_: yeah well09:01
apacheloggerwe could also switch to git :P09:01
yofel__still a shitload of work to merge 150 or so branches even with git09:01
apacheloggerwhy would they need merging though?09:02
apacheloggermy raring builder is broken -.-09:03
yofel__let's take the current nepomuk-core 4.10.0 branch09:03
apacheloggertoday is also a very nice day09:03
yofel__that has an upstream patch09:03
yofel__so the master branch can't build git09:03
yofel__one would need a branch with the patch removed to build git, and around 4.10.1 merge that into master09:04
apacheloggerthat's the wrong way09:04
yofel__you apply all changes again09:04
apacheloggermaster would always build git09:05
yofel__and what tracks the archive?09:05
apacheloggeranother branch09:05
yofel__so we have 2 after all09:05
apacheloggeryou don't get around a shitload of branches09:06
apacheloggerit's just a question of whether the branches need manual merging which ought not be the case09:06
yofel__ah hm, yeah. I think I get what you mean09:08
yofel__I guess that would need a test run on a couple of packages09:08
apacheloggerright now you'd probably have: master (building git master), 4.10 (building git KDE/4.10), 4.10-raring (branched from 4.10 some time ago carrying raring patches), 4.10-quantal (branched from 4.10 some time ago carrying quantal patches), 4.10-precise (branched from 4.10 some time ago carrying precise patches)09:10
apacheloggeron 4.10.1 release the 4.10 branch is merged into all series branches (which in fact would be a fast-forward merge as there should be no conflicts)09:10
apacheloggeri.e. the tricky part is to ensure that packaging is done in such a way that all supported/targetted series can be supported by the same upstream-tracking branch09:11
yofel__I'm against having the 4.10-quantal and 4.10-precise branches, our backports work well enough there, but otherwise +109:12
apacheloggerif that cannot be the case a major headache appears09:12
apacheloggeryofel_: architecturally it is better to the have the branches anyway, even if they carry no changes09:12
yofel__ok, if you have some use for them09:12
apacheloggerwell, you never know09:12
apacheloggerfor all I care we can also just have 4.10-raring, but the requirement of one packaging to be able to cater all targets remains implicitly there09:14
yofel__which is rather impossible. Sure it works in neon, but even there I have some odd looking dependency workarounds to support multiple releases at once09:15
yofel__for quantal it might work. Precise is just nonsense09:16
apacheloggeryeah, so you'd want branches09:16
apacheloggerwhen a delta needs to be carried there is still a good chance an auto-merge will work09:17
apacheloggerthinkin about it,sort-and-wrap may be a requirement at that point09:19
yofel__it would help at least09:19
apacheloggerAFAIK the chances of auto-merging are way better to succeed on line-based changes09:19
apacheloggerin fact I am reasonable certain git will be able to do that in just about all cases as long as one does not exchange half the deps in one commit ^^09:20
apacheloggeryofel_: what I am unsure in all cases though is the changelog, it causes conflicts all and everywhere09:21
yofel__well. You could simply make it policy to never edit the stable branch changelog and instead fill it later during merge from the bzr diff09:24
yofel__would need changelog conformant log entries09:25
yofel__(which we currently do anyway)09:25
apacheloggeryeah, I guess09:25
shadeslayerstupid ISP, I have 2 seconds of lag09:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: should I also backport the fix to the 4.8 branch09:37
shadeslayeror is it useless09:37
apacheloggertechnically useless but if it's no hassle I'd do it anyway09:37
shadeslayercannot build precise package09:48
shadeslayerpbuilder doesn't have -updates 09:52
Riddellapachelogger: ooh09:52
Riddellapachelogger: got a fix? (again)09:53
shadeslayerRiddell: needs this : http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commitdiff&h=a651fff01cfcef8874c5ddcf7a080467edc49d16&hp=e44b48c6fa1f9875f1189f495b9981ac92a1eb3609:53
shadeslayerbackported to 4.8.509:53
shadeslayerI'm working on it09:53
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shadeslayerthis is going to take some time :|09:59
Riddellthanks shadeslayer 10:00
Riddellyeah I recognise that one10:00
RiddellSteveRiley: ping, fancy doing alpha 2 notes?10:00
shadeslayerI haven't seen SteveRiley in forever10:01
Riddellno, he did e-mail last month but hasn't followed up as far as I can tell :(10:01
shadeslayerand whaaaa : http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2013/02/13/10:07
Riddell"Opera will make a gradual transition to the WebKit engine, as well as Chromium, for most of its upcoming versions of browsers"10:08
Riddellso..what's the point of Opera?10:08
RiddellI must be looking at it from a very technical view, Opera must be doing something significant other than making an html engine10:09
apacheloggeropera makes a browser suite thing10:13
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah, I didn't quite understand that as well10:17
* apachelogger should make nu splash and stuff10:17
shadeslayernu splash! :D10:18
apacheloggerdunno what tho10:18
shadeslayerask nuno10:18
apacheloggerthe new wall is totally not plymouthable10:18
shadeslayernu-no :D10:18
apacheloggerway too much colory10:18
apachelogger  Could not find a configuration file for package "QJSON" that is compatible10:19
apacheloggerafiestas: qjson for libkscreen?10:19
* apachelogger notes that qjson is really really really bad with performance10:19
Riddellwhat you expect monitors to use XML?  they keep with the times for fashionable data exchange.10:20
Riddellwell if you ignore this ugly VGA connector thing10:20
apacheloggerI expect kde software to use sensible libraries :P10:20
apacheloggerand why 0.8 for crying out loud -.-10:21
apacheloggerah well, screw that10:21
apacheloggermy raring vm is broken10:21
apacheloggerno new plymouth theme for 13.0410:21
Riddellaww :(10:21
Riddelljust because you can't get virtualbox to work?10:22
apacheloggeralso because I have no idea what to do anyway10:23
Riddellmake it all purble and blue like the wallpaper?10:24
apacheloggeryeah, but pattern-wise10:24
yofel__honestly, if you can't make a new one, please revert to the pre-grey one and put a neon-shiny gear into it10:24
yofel__as long as it looks plasma-glossy people will be happy10:24
* apachelogger smacks yofel_10:24
RiddellMirv: qtbase and qtdeclarative look good to go, I'll upload them as soon as I get on a connection with decent upload speed (in a cafe now)10:24
apacheloggershadeslayer: you could try to convince nuno to send me the svg of the wallpaper :P10:25
RiddellMirv: however patches with "Forward: no" scare and annoy me, I'd really like a comment somewhere on why they shouldn't be forwarded10:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: isn't that opensource somewhere?10:25
apacheloggerhe refuses to give it away, but if I had the SVG I could perhaps try to replicate the entire thing10:25
RiddellMirv: the patches have comments which is great but I'm still scared of ending up like qt4 with dozens of patches nobody is quite sure what should be done with10:26
apacheloggeri.e. the problem is that while the grey splash thingy could be shipped at 800x* and it would nicely scale up the new one does not10:26
apacheloggerso what can be done is reuse the patterns and manually align them on a fixed color background such that it looks like the wallpaper without really being the wallpaper10:27
apacheloggerall in all still shitty tho10:27
* apachelogger reads plymouth codez again to find new exciting ways to make splashy10:27
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)10:28
yofel__Riddell: in dep3 meaning "no" means: not yet forwarded. Dist-specific patches are "not-needed"10:28
afiestasapachelogger: don't worry an dupdate qjson to 0.8.110:29
apacheloggerquantal has 0.7.110:29
* apachelogger did not realize that json changed the last 6 months.... :P10:29
MirvRiddell: ok, thank you! they are internally being pushed forward, but should have had some more comment like "being evaluated for upstreaming"10:31
MirvRiddell: upstreaming those are also on a To-Do list, I'll continue to make efforts to push people into working on those10:32
* apachelogger falls off chair10:33
RiddellMirv: add a comment saying that at the top of the patch if you can10:33
apacheloggeroh now it is gone10:33
Riddellyofel__: I know but it would be good to know why10:33
apacheloggerthere was the most terrible wikipedia please support us message ever10:33
apacheloggerwas like half my screen in yello and black text, a lot of text10:34
* Riddell out to neuro doctor10:34
MirvRiddell: ok, adding10:34
apacheloggerwhere's sheytan when you need him -.-10:36
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shadeslayerwho has a amd64 precise VM?10:43
apacheloggershadeslayer: what evern happend with the webcam support in ubiquity?10:53
jussiwebcam in ubiquity? why would we need that? o.O10:59
shadeslayerjussi: because it's fin11:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: didn't get the time to work on that over the last couple of days11:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: plus, needs a new pgst11:10
shadeslayerwith snapshot() support11:10
shadeslayeror we could just patch the current pgst with snapshot support11:12
shadeslayerjussi: http://i.imgur.com/RfPAXZW.png11:15
jussishadeslayer: I suppose...11:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: I still have to fix that show() stuff that you PM'd me11:18
* apachelogger show()s11:18
shadeslayernoo .. not publically :P11:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GF1yMm5Y3BY/URbUZSfDbOI/AAAAAAAACMI/jA2UzYtE4_s/s1600/installer-wifi.png11:19
shadeslayerwait what huh11:19
apacheloggerI totally don't get the choose from file button, but otherwise I think that would be nice11:19
apacheloggerwhy the default is a spooky snake is beyond me tho11:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: where is that from11:19
shadeslayerlooks like a QML port :D11:19
apacheloggerthat polish artist guy :P11:20
apacheloggerwe should get a qml port at some point tho11:20
shadeslayerokay, a) Choose from file is pointless11:20
apacheloggerwe also should get a plymouth qml port ;)11:20
shadeslayerb) take webcam picture should have a live feed from webcam :P11:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: I reckon that button is meant to be ... choose from nice default pictures11:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: well yeah, but you get to the webcam thing via that page11:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: you mean like from the left side bar that I have here : http://i.imgur.com/RfPAXZW.png11:21
apacheloggeri.e. do not make it an own page IMO11:21
apacheloggerIMO the text fields on the user creation page are too wide, and putting the user icon there resolves that nicely plus it really belongs to user creation11:21
shadeslayertrue that11:22
* apachelogger wonders how to get qml into plymouth :D11:22
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yofel__shadeslayer: extra points if you embed the webcam snapshot thing into that picture preview when you click the button11:32
yofel__that way you don't get any new page at all11:32
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apacheloggerI really do not know what to do for the splash11:55
apacheloggernot even sure on the colors to use11:55
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yofel__aubergine background with blue gear?12:06
yofel__that would at least kinda match ubuntu12:06
smartboyhwHi guys12:06
yofel__apachelogger: how flexible are plymouth gradients actually? Is anything more than the previous blue to black gradient even doable?12:07
yofel__hi smartboyhw 12:07
apacheloggeryofel__: one can write a plymouth plugin ;)12:15
apacheloggerthere you can pull all the shit you desire12:15
apacheloggeryofel__: what gradients do you want?12:16
shadeslayeryofel__: that was the plan12:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: I just copied kde-default.png to /lib/plymouth/kubuntu-logo/background.png and I get all the colors12:18
apacheloggeryofel__: that is... a plymouth window supports a top-bottom gradient only, everything else needs to be done from scratch12:18
yofel__apachelogger: not sure yet, I kind of come up blank yet trying to think of something that blends nicely into lightdm :/12:18
shadeslayerno need for gradients or stuff12:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: yes, that's an image, not a gradient :P12:18
yofel__how big was that file again?12:18
shadeslayeryeah, so, why not use that?12:18
apacheloggeralso it fails if the driver only supports 4bpp12:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: it scales12:19
apacheloggerit scales up and it scales down12:19
shadeslayer oh heh12:19
apacheloggerand the more it scales the shittier it looks12:19
apacheloggerwith the previous one it was nto noticable12:19
apacheloggerwell, it was on HD 56inch 12:20
apacheloggerbut still not as if you wanted to throw up because of it12:20
apacheloggerbut that was due to the very nature of the previous pic, so that will not work now12:20
murthy_hello everyone12:20
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yofel__yofel_: go investigate lightdm-kde rendering later12:21
apacheloggerso the intartubes also have no good ideas for splash screens12:22
yofel__not really, this here is webchat from work. The place I'm at right now blocks almost everything12:22
* apachelogger sad :(12:22
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apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9KQyC3Po40 opensuse has a nice one12:24
apacheloggerthough quite frankly it reminds me of the windows7 one12:24
murthysmartboyhw: cantata packaged? 12:24
* yofel__ likes the win7 one12:24
smartboyhwmurthy, shoud have been12:25
murthysmartboyhw: ??12:25
smartboyhwmurthy, not in the archive. Ask Riddell 12:25
murthyRiddell: why bug 1103383 not closed?12:27
ubottubug 1103383 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] cantata" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110338312:27
yofel__it got rejected from NEW twice, Riddell might know more12:27
smartboyhwyofel_, oh no12:27
* smartboyhw goes for a reboot12:27
murthyyofel__: there is a new version of wine available, does it needs packaging or the wine team will take care of it?12:28
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apacheloggeryofel__, shadeslayer: what about something simple like osx?12:29
apacheloggerplane background + logo + indicator12:30
yofel__murthy: they are usually fast on that I believe12:30
yofel__haven't used wine in ages though12:30
murthyyofel__: so we have to just copy from their ppa?12:31
yofel__apachelogger: I don't mind. But can we add a kind of transition animation for lightdm then? A hard change from plain blue or so to the background would be urgh12:31
yofel__murthy: dunno, I never looked at the packaging12:31
apacheloggershadeslayer: does osx have a transition there?12:32
apacheloggeryofel__: no clue12:32
murthywhy do you people take a clue from other OS ?12:32
apacheloggerI really dunno what the animation would do12:32
apacheloggerlike there is nothing that would make the blue go away in any more reasonable fashion12:33
yofel__murthy: we're always open for other suggestions12:33
murthygoverning dynamics gentleman 12:34
* yofel__ actually likes the debian-kde ksplash. That looks like KDE and has simplicity12:34
apacheloggerpics or it didnt happen12:34
apacheloggerI personally would have a black background with with circular progress indicator12:35
yofel__apachelogger: how about going with a black background with some sort of kubuntu logo?12:35
murthyhave you seen a latest animated one, made in theme of a game?12:35
apacheloggeryofel__: <apachelogger> plane background + logo + indicator12:35
apacheloggerI did not say the background should be blue :P12:35
apacheloggerin fact it is hard to find a sensible blue :P12:36
yofel__yeah, that was just stuck in my mind12:36
apacheloggerso it would probably a black with a hint of  blue12:36
apacheloggermurthy: huh?12:36
murthyapachelogger: searching the video12:36
apacheloggerwhat would probably look neat from an artistic POV is some sort of 3dish sin vs. cos thing12:37
murthyapachelogger: we need some more eye candy12:39
* yofel__ wonders why he had to think of those win95 screensaver bezier curves when reading 3dish12:39
apacheloggerthose kinds of thingare reeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyy expensive to create12:39
murthyya, but thats what people demand12:39
apacheloggeractually create + run ... i.e. since plymouth works in two dimensions you'd have loads of sprites moving loads of images in all possible fashions12:40
smartboyhwapachelogger, LOL12:40
apacheloggermurthy: not really12:40
murthygoogle search on planet.kde.org with "site:" doesn't work?12:40
apacheloggerpeople demand stuff that works :P12:40
murthyapachelogger: also shiny stuff too :)12:41
apacheloggerhaving 2 people spend half a year making a splash screen that on a SSD system you see for exactly 1 second seems not worthwhile12:41
apacheloggerlike, absolutely not worthwhile12:41
murthyapachelogger: you should think different12:41
murthythis is why mint scores12:42
murthyshadeslayer: reminder: ktp-desktop-applets debian/copyright needs verification12:43
apacheloggeryofel__: http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5425492224/ that looks nice12:43
apacheloggermurthy: perhaps I should join mint12:44
murthyapachelogger: no what i mean is ubuntu+gift warpping=mint12:44
apacheloggeryofel__: though I'd have dropped the dots and instead had the bubbles animate12:44
apacheloggerwhich is actually pretty easy12:45
apacheloggermurthy: don't get your point12:45
yofel__well, the dots are classic, which does have it's style12:45
apacheloggerso I should not go to mint, but mint does what the people want, so why would I not go to mint?12:45
apacheloggeryofel__: nah12:45
apacheloggerbubbles > dots12:45
apacheloggerway more organic12:45
murthyapachelogger: we need girl models for promoting high tech cars :)12:45
apacheloggeri.e. you see something goes on12:45
smartboyhwmurthy, srsly?:P12:46
yofel__apachelogger: like what? "Only for testing - the OS is still cooking"?12:46
apacheloggerbut since the dots likely don't represent discrete process, but like ours go round and round the bubbles would be better12:46
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apacheloggeryofel__: well that's what it is saying anyway :P12:46
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murthysmartboyhw: so you like the ceo to do that ? ha  ha ha12:46
apacheloggerbut that is their proper logo I think12:46
smartboyhwmurthy, who's the CEO?12:46
apacheloggerso I'd have it actually spew bubbles12:46
* smartboyhw clearly misses the conversation and he needs to tell the channel ops to move these logs to #kubuntu-offtopic :P12:47
murthyapachelogger: why can't we use qml and simple animation?12:47
apacheloggeryofel__: btw, I am a fan of subtle animations ^^12:47
murthythats nice12:47
apacheloggermurthy: who said you need qml for simple animations and who said we cannot have simple animations?12:47
yofel__apachelogger: the last few mintues I kinda feel we strayed off that path12:48
apacheloggeryofel__: of subtle animations?12:48
yofel__what we have is a black background and the logo. How about making the logo larger and putting some kind of animation INTO it?12:48
murthyapachelogger: no i mean that to have an interactive one 12:48
apacheloggeryofel__: I tried logo animation it looks weird12:48
apacheloggerdid not try it on black, but animating the logo actually looks weird12:49
yofel__I didn't mean animate the gears itself. But we have space inside the gear circle12:49
yofel__making the gear parts glow would look nice, but that's probably rather hard to do12:50
apacheloggeryofel__: dunno, "making them glow" can mean any number of things :P12:53
murthyapachelogger: looks traditional12:53
apacheloggergenerally not though, the glowery would be a different sprite12:53
apacheloggerso for example they glowery can have different opacity and whatnot12:53
apacheloggershould not be hard, depending on what you mean by glow exactly :P12:53
murthyapachelogger: something like the nokia breather led?12:54
apacheloggerwhat's that?12:54
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murthyapachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4KTo-EHQsc12:55
murthyapachelogger: somthing like the heart beat12:55
murthyapachelogger: with less delay between off12:55
apacheloggeryeah so what'd that look like in a glowy context? :P12:55
yofel__hm, we could show only the gear borders, then make one glow by filling it up and adding a bit of light shadow on the edges. Alternate that between the gears12:58
murthyapachelogger: like a halo effect12:58
murthyoh wow12:59
murthyi got something12:59
apacheloggeryofel__: hm, I think the other way around would be better12:59
murthycan it be made something like tony stark's arc reactor?12:59
yofel__darken one down? On black that might look nice indeed12:59
apacheloggerwhat does that have to do with the kubuntu logo? Oo13:00
murthyapachelogger: the halo effect with the glow13:00
apacheloggeruhm, we did still not talk about colors :P13:01
apacheloggeras far as i am concerned we are talking about black and white and variations thereof :P13:01
yofel__so far yes, we can argue about colors later13:01
smartboyhwGo to #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat to learn more about ISO testing! (LOL)13:01
smartboyhwMy session:)13:01
murthyyofel__: single color or textured?13:02
yofel__murthy: I don't think we should use more than black/white + one color13:03
murthyyofel__:  gradient allowed ?13:03
yofel__Mabe just pure black/white would be nice for a change. Even if that so doesn't fit with the wallpaper13:03
apacheloggerif we go minimalistic 3 colors and opacity level combos of those should be the max13:04
murthycarbon fibre texture?13:04
apacheloggeryofel__: nuno said he's working on a splash-lightdm-wallpaper thing for .1113:04
apacheloggeryofel__: how about something air-plasma like?13:06
shadeslayersorry, I'm completely engrossed with getting my ATi card working13:11
apacheloggeryou and your weird hardware13:11
shadeslayer :P13:11
shadeslayerapparently it's possible to hide the intel card completely with setpci calls13:12
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murthyshadeslayer: laptop ?13:15
shadeslayermurthy: yep13:15
shadeslayermurthy: some blocking stuff has come up for 12.04.213:16
shadeslayerso ktp will have to wait13:16
Riddellmurthy, smartboyhw: I've no idea where cantata went13:16
Riddellit was in New queue13:16
smartboyhwRiddell, uh?13:16
Riddellbut someone must have rejected it without saying why13:16
Riddellmaybe they e-mailed vassie and not the ubuntu-archive list13:17
* shadeslayer nudges Riddell to look at https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages for fixed kde-workspace packages13:17
shadeslayercurrently has i386 packages only13:17
murthyshadeslayer: ubuntu 13.04 doesnot login with the greeter or xserver crashing because if the notification changes13:17
murthyshadeslayer: *of13:17
murthyshadeslayer: some third party app must be the problem13:18
murthyRiddell: cantata build problem or something else?13:20
smartboyhwEven Riddell doesn't  know (hmm)13:20
Riddellmurthy: no it must have been rejected from New13:21
Riddellbut they should e-mail the ubuntu-arhicve list to say why and haven't13:21
murthyRiddell: so what will our next step?13:21
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Riddellmurthy: I'm asking in #ubuntu-archive but I'll just upload again if I don't get a reply13:23
murthyRiddell: ok13:24
smartboyhwRiddell, thx13:25
BluesKajHey all13:25
smartboyhwBluesKaj, hey13:25
BluesKajhi smartboyhw13:25
shadeslayerRiddell: can you also check why plasma-mobile wasn't moved to -release?13:25
shadeslayerRiddell: oh and PrincessLuna in #kubuntu has UEFI + Secureboot hardware13:26
murthyBluesKaj: hi13:26
BluesKajhi murthy13:26
Riddellhi PrincessLuna 13:27
PrincessLunaRiddell: Hi13:28
RiddellPrincessLuna: want to be an elite kubuntu tester?13:28
PrincessLunaRiddell: Sure, but not until the end of this year.13:30
Riddellhah, a year's a long time in computing :)13:31
RiddellPrincessLuna: to answer your question on #kubuntu secureboot isn't supported in 12.1013:32
Riddellthat's only ubuntu13:32
PrincessLunaAs I have a rather large amount of pending work on Windows development work etc13:32
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PrincessLunaRiddell: That makes sense then13:32
RiddellI'm looking at ways to test it so it can be added to 13.0413:32
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RiddellPrincessLuna: do you know what happens when you turn off secureboot?13:32
murthyPrincessLuna:  depreciate windows13:33
PrincessLunaRiddell: It boots13:33
RiddellPrincessLuna: that seems not much security then if you can just tell the firmware to turn it off13:33
shadeslayerRiddell: I think we need to poke cjwatson about whether the secure boot stuff is only built for windows13:34
PrincessLunaRiddell: With UEFI on but secure boot off, you see the grub prompt, again a black screen on booting but in a couple of seconds the splash screen is visible13:34
Riddellshadeslayer: how do you mean?  it's built for ubuntu13:35
PrincessLunaBut the firmware secure boot implementation is different for windows and linux. On Windows 8 when secure boot is on, rather than seeing a normal win8 logo splash screen, you see the oem logo splash screen13:35
murthyRiddell: we wont use fsf's solution?13:40
Riddellmurthy: what's that?13:40
yofel__Riddell: fun part: the microsoft specification requires it to be disableable on x86 and x86_6413:40
yofel__murthy: I'm pretty certain that we use shim or how that was called13:40
murthyRiddell: http://www.linuxnewshere.com/index.php/linux-foundation-secure-boot-system-released13:41
Riddellyofel__: but does that mean there's no security at all or does it do something nasty like wipe your hard disk same as the Nexus does?13:41
Riddellmurthy, PrincessLuna: we'll do what ubuntu desktop does, that way it'll work the same, I just need a way to test it13:41
RiddellI've found a laptop for sale for about #38013:42
Riddellhmm US keyboard layout fail13:42
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yofel__Riddell: it's supposed to prevent malicious software from cracking windows, if you have access to the hardware it provides no security at all13:42
Riddellyofel__: oh I see13:42
yofel__murthy: ok, I haven't read that yet. Haven't followed SB related news too closely the last ~month13:44
murthyyofel__: ok13:45
PrincessLunaRiddell: Well technically, Ms claims its to prevent malicious stuff from booting. But actually Vista and 7 were pirated using a modified grub loader that emulates an OEM bios such that windows believes it is activated using an OEM pre-install key.13:45
ovidiu-florinhello world :D13:46
murthyovidiu-florin: hello13:48
Riddellshadeslayer: that kde-workspace update looks good13:54
Riddellshadeslayer: needs a bug number in the changelog13:54
Riddellshadeslayer: and it would be good to say that the patch is from upstream13:54
Riddellthen just upload and we'll do the SRU thing13:54
Riddellshadeslayer: able to do that now or shall I?13:54
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apacheloggeryofel__: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot.avi13:59
apacheloggerI really think we'll end up getting a black on white splash13:59
yofel__"Beim Wiedergeben der Datei ist in Windows Media Player ein Problem aufgetreten." Oh how I hate this Company PC14:01
MirvRiddell: when you're done with the uploads, you are now free to check  lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtwebkit-opensource-src ...14:01
murthyapachelogger: this is awesome14:06
murthyapachelogger: is ok if we dont use the blue tint?14:06
murthyapachelogger: is it ok if we dont use the blue tint?14:07
RiddellMirv: ooh the fun one :)14:12
RiddellMirv: how come qt3d in queue is from git instead of 5.0.1 release?14:16
MirvRiddell: qt3d hasn't had a release, similar to qtsensors and qtlocation. ie. is not yet an official module.14:16
Mirvand qtpim, qtfeedback, qtconnectivity, qtsystems which will come at some point14:17
Riddellqtpim?  that sounds scary14:17
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah, I was planning on updating the changelog when I uploaded14:18
MirvRiddell: one more oneliner to the qtwebkit pushed14:18
shadeslayerplus, It's pretty clear if you read the patch that its from upstream14:18
shadeslayerit has a commit id and what not14:18
Mirvqtpim is not nearly as scary as when it depended on libkcal some year back14:19
shadeslayerRiddell:   * Add fix_plasma_init_order.diff to fix plasma init order [LP: 1123126]14:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112312614:20
shadeslayerlook good?14:20
Riddellshadeslayer: yep14:21
Riddellshadeslayer: I added the diff to the bug already14:21
shadeslayerI'll just go ahead and upload14:21
shadeslayerRiddell: did you upload14:21
Riddellshadeslayer: no go ahead14:22
shadeslayerah okay14:22
smartboyhwRiddell, found the rejection problem of cantata yet?14:22
Riddellsmartboyhw: nope, I'll just upload again and see what happens14:22
yofel__Feature request: modification logs for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=cantata -.-14:27
smartboyhwRiddell, it made sense it got rejected14:28
Riddellshadeslayer: did you upload?  ScottK is around to review14:28
smartboyhwIt is proposed on 30 Jan14:28
smartboyhwI remember fixing the copyright file two days ago (11th Feb)14:28
shadeslayerneed a couple of minutes, pull-lp-source is being slow14:29
Riddellshadeslayer: oh I'll just do it then14:30
shadeslayerfine with me :)14:30
apacheloggermurthy: I find it rather terrible actually14:33
apacheloggeralso it does not scale14:33
apacheloggeryofel__: you can install vlc dont you know :P14:33
murthyapachelogger: the background or the breathing glow effect?14:33
apacheloggerthe entire thing14:33
* shadeslayer is sad14:34
Riddellshadeslayer: aww why so sad?14:36
apacheloggeryofel__: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/13/plasma-desktopLe2114.png14:36
smartboyhwshadeslayer, LOL14:37
murthyapachelogger: firefly highlight effect?14:37
yofel__that's not too bad (and yeah, thanks for reminding me about vlc portable -.-)14:39
shadeslayerstupid fglrx14:40
murthyshadeslayer: are you aware of the recent dropped ati drivers?14:43
shadeslayerrecently dropped?14:44
murthyshadeslayer: some of the drivers are moved to legacy14:44
MirvRiddell: for tomorrow btw, I'd like to hear your wishlist for lp:~timo-jyrinki/+junk/qtcreator (Qt Creator 2.7 beta) - would you want to have the debian/copyright made into DEP-5 from what's currently in Ubuntu, or would you only want me to get that branch properly on top of lp:ubuntu/qtcreator? I forked it since I wanted to work on packaging only14:44
shadeslayerI don't think this a legacy card ;)14:44
shadeslayerit's barely an year old14:44
shadeslayerprobably some weird way the firmware is accessed or sth14:45
RiddellMirv: I don't mind if it's dep-5 or not14:45
RiddellI don't think ubuntu or debian archive admins care much one way or the other14:46
Mirvyeah, it's certainly out of date though, not touched in 1.5 years14:47
murthyshadeslayer: "SetVBEMode failed" ?14:47
shadeslayermurthy: ?14:47
shadeslayerwhat about it14:47
murthyshadeslayer: why does it fail?14:47
shadeslayerread the lines before it?14:48
shadeslayerand I don't know why those fail14:48
RiddellMirv: so if it ends up in new we'll pull you up on that, but if it doesn't probably nobody will notice14:48
shadeslayerif I knew, I'd be able to use my ATi card :P14:48
murthyshadeslayer: if you don't mind can you paste your kernel log?14:48
shadeslayercan't? that's an old Xorg log that I saved14:49
shadeslayerI'll have to install fglrx again :P14:49
murthyshadeslayer: whats the ccard model?14:50
shadeslayerthe paste has it14:50
MirvRiddell: ok14:51
murthyshadeslayer: raring?14:55
RiddellMirv: qtbase and qtdeclarative approved!14:56
shadeslayermurthy: yeah14:56
Riddellthanks for keeping with those14:56
murthyshadeslayer: have you tried the experimental/beta drivers?14:56
shadeslayerwhich ones are those?14:57
* shadeslayer is waiting for someone on #ubuntu-x to respond14:57
MirvRiddell: thanks a bunch!14:57
murthyshadeslayer: ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa 14:57
shadeslayerhmm ... nope, from what I can see I need to dump the vbios14:58
shadeslayerwhen booting in bios mode14:58
smartboyhwshadeslayer, one strange thing: I'm actually in the xorg-edgers team:P14:58
shadeslayersmartboyhw: heh?14:58
smartboyhwshadeslayer, yep:P14:58
shadeslayersmartboyhw: are you an elite X developer14:58
RiddellMirv: mm that qtwebkit copyright is a beast14:58
smartboyhwshadeslayer, no I'm elite X bug  triager:P14:59
shadeslayerah :D14:59
RiddellMirv: you can have one block per licence, file with different copyright holders can go in the same block (as far as I'm concerned)14:59
murthyshadeslayer: but isn't using vbios safe?15:00
MirvRiddell: yeah, it's a beast like no other. the existing 500k of it already had repetition, but one choice indeed would be to have all copyright holders for all files having eg. BSD-3-clause in a same section15:01
shadeslayerthe question is, what exactly is vbios15:01
MirvRiddell: the addition is my best effort to make sure all ~significant copyright holders are listed, with a lot of grepping magic. I did not try to do a proper review on the existing 500k - there has been a lot of effort on that on Debian side last Autumn15:02
murthyshadeslayer: wait, i paste the reason15:02
MirvI did check not to add any files that were already covered, so the additions are true additions. I started with the 2300 different copyright lines I got with some grepping, got first down to 1100 and then with comparing to which parties have already been covered to finally about 300 and then to 100 certain ones missing, of which I added those that seemed somehow significant15:05
Mirvor something like that, it's been a blur doing that ;)15:05
murthyshadeslayer: read the comment on the top http://paste.kde.org/670298/15:05
shadeslayeronce I can figure out how to get my ATI card working, I can play Shank \o/15:05
shadeslayermurthy: huh?15:06
shadeslayerthat's just framebuffer stuff15:06
shadeslayerhow does that concern fglrx15:06
shadeslayerand the vbios error ( whatever the hell that is )15:07
Riddellthat sqlite licence makes me laugh every time I see it15:07
apacheloggeryofel__: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-rotate.webm15:07
apacheloggercolors not quite intense enough, but gives the general idea15:07
RiddellMirv: yep passes all my spot check, I'll get it uploaded15:07
murthyshadeslayer: some framebuffer drivers wont work well with graphics drivers , nvidia recomments to not use some of these drivers15:08
MirvRiddell: great15:11
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murthyapachelogger: looks very simple, something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOSrXSIIlB815:13
murthyapachelogger: its like the ubuntu's welcome screen for phone15:14
murthyapachelogger: http://youtu.be/YzbTfC0tyxg?t=1m41s15:16
murthyapachelogger: with everyglow a shockwave15:17
shadeslayerRiddell: isn't precise oversized?15:20
Riddellshadeslayer: yeah, but I fear we'll have to live with that now15:22
Riddelland point people to 12.04.1 if they need a CD sized one15:22
shadeslayerI wanted to dump the bios15:22
shadeslayerbut now I have to download the alternate ISO15:22
Riddellpopey, Mirv: qtwebkit approved!15:23
Riddellshadeslayer: dump the bios?15:23
smartboyhwshadeslayer, ?15:23
shadeslayerRiddell: some firmware thingy15:23
shadeslayerthat is required by my ATI card15:23
popey\o/ Riddell thank you!15:23
Riddellooh but qtbase-opensource-src failed on powerpc15:24
Riddellpopey: oh don't worry I'm sure we'll find something to fault in binary New :)15:24
popeyOf course.15:25
DavieyRiddell: you should reject it for debian/copyright being too verbose. :)15:27
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yofel__Riddell: 12.04.0 rather as I believe one 12.04.1 image is oversized too15:30
Riddellyofel__: oh ok, not even a regression then15:31
apacheloggerit was a regression for .1 :P15:33
apacheloggerso unless regressions degrade it's still a regression of sorts ^^15:33
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)15:38
afiestasapachelogger: is it packaged yet?15:44
apacheloggershadeslayer: is it packaged yet?15:44
shadeslayerwhat's packaged where15:44
yofel__that user thingy15:44
afiestasapachelogger: shadeslayer told me it was you doing it15:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: you were doing it!15:45
shadeslayeryou said it was done15:45
apacheloggerI pushed the packaging ages ago and shadeslayer said he had a recipe :P15:45
* apachelogger throws keyboard through channel15:45
shadeslayernever said that15:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: do we at least a master import?15:45
* shadeslayer throws his mouse through the channel15:46
shadeslayerapachelogger: I think so15:46
shadeslayerthough I can't find it15:46
apachelogger<apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have a recipe?15:46
apachelogger<shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes15:46
apacheloggerthat's scratch-master15:47
shadeslayerruh roh, you're just putting words in my mouth now15:47
shadeslayerafiestas: it's in kde:user-manager now?15:47
afiestasshadeslayer: yes15:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: I have no officially lost track of things I was supposed to do today :|15:47
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/670364/15:47
apacheloggerI lost track one month ago15:48
apacheloggerTOO MUCH BROKEN STUFF :@15:48
shadeslayerapachelogger: I'm deleting your scratch branch15:48
apacheloggerafiestas: can you also do an ascii tux or something15:48
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afiestas|__        |--""___|      ,-'15:49
afiestas   `"--...,+""""   `._,.-' 15:49
apoli broke the tux :(15:49
apacheloggerapol: I just hope you did not make afiestas cry15:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: there's nothing imported yet15:50
shadeslayeryeah, because I just requested it15:51
apacheloggerI'll have starved by the time this is imported15:51
apacheloggerapol: oh, that stress episode was awesome15:51
afiestasapachelogger: shadeslayer you both make me cry taking more time to package than time I have used for developing15:52
afiestasI have had to ping you 3 times to get shit going15:52
* afiestas get depressed15:52
apacheloggereven more fun considering it was done like last wed or whenver you asked for it15:52
Riddellgosh my computer crashes and all breaks loose in here15:53
* apachelogger giggles15:53
smartboyhwRiddell, what!?15:53
smartboyhwapachelogger, grrr15:53
shadeslayerclearly we make awesome software15:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: what's the versioning you want15:53
apacheloggerI forgot15:54
apacheloggersteal from print-manager or something15:54
apacheloggeror whatever we packaged recently15:54
apacheloggerno, that's a bad example15:54
apacheloggerjust copy from somewhere and make it get a version <0.015:54
apacheloggeras long as it is 0.0 we can always fiddle with it15:55
smartboyhwshadeslayer, you want me to fix plasmate's copyright tmr?15:55
shadeslayersmartboyhw: yeah, would be awesome15:55
shadeslayeranother thing I forgot about today15:55
shadeslayerit's like today is "Forget about everything day"15:55
shadeslayersmartboyhw: once that's done, Riddell can upload15:56
smartboyhwshadeslayer, :)15:56
yofel__see, ATi doesn't just break your system, it even breaks your memory16:01
shadeslayerit's a conspiracy!16:02
apacheloggershadeslayer: do we have a recipe yet?16:03
shadeslayernope, I was dinnering16:03
apacheloggerI'd really like to go have dinner16:03
shadeslayergive me a minute16:03
apacheloggerwe have an attitude problem good sir :P16:04
shadeslayerhttps://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/user-manager/master is not a branch on Launchpad.16:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+recipe/user-manager-daily16:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: waiting for code import to be done16:08
shadeslayeranother thing I forgot, check for UDS registrations and sponsorships16:09
shadeslayernope, still not open16:09
Riddellshadeslayer: once what's done?16:11
shadeslayerRiddell: plasmate16:12
shadeslayerneeds copyright stuff that smartboyhw volunteered to do16:12
Riddelloh cool16:13
Riddellmy raring alpha 2 install keeps crashing when I try to cat the arm image to an SD memory card :(16:13
shadeslayerRiddell: that's your laptop telling you it's too old :P16:14
Riddellyeah?  and I should get a shiny new uefi one?16:14
shadeslayerafiestas: code import is done, builds triggered16:15
shadeslayerwill take 39 minutes according to lunchpad16:15
afiestasshadeslayer: thanks16:15
yofel__and another X minutes after that16:15
afiestasI only have to implement "change password" and user-manager should be feature completed16:15
shadeslayertrue :)16:15
afiestasaah, that and changing the "face" (avatar)16:15
shadeslayerafiestas: that's trivial code16:16
shadeslayerthe face changing16:16
afiestasthe whole user-manager is, thign is somebody have to do it :p16:16
shadeslayerafiestas: what does the ui communicate with?16:16
shadeslayeris there a daemon or some sort of API?16:16
afiestasfreedesktop thingy kinda works16:17
shadeslayerah okay16:17
shadeslayernow why is zsync downloading so slowly :|16:18
murthyyofel__: can you push libdlna in my ppa?16:23
yofel__murthy: where to?16:30
murthyyofel__: raring updates?16:30
murthyyofel__: or an appropriate place place you think16:31
yofel__murthy: that's not part of the kubuntu packageset so you'll have to find a MOTU or core-dev (or file a sponsorhip request)16:35
murthyyofel__: do you know anyone?16:36
yofel__we have a few here in case they decide not to hide ;P16:37
yofel__otherwise -> #ubuntu-motu has plenty16:37
murthyyofel__: ok16:37
yofel__and there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess16:38
* yofel__ makes his way home, bbl16:40
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skaetRiddell, ScottK, and others interested ;)   Draft Release notes to be added to for Kubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/Alpha2/Kubuntu.   Can you please add some of the Kubuntu specific features to it?   Feel free to correct anything that looks wrong as well.  :)17:09
Riddellthanks skaet 17:10
shadeslayerpossibly indent that image so that it appears in the middle?17:11
Riddellshadeslayer: it's a wiki, edit :)17:11
shadeslayerI have no idea how to to make it appear in the middle :)17:11
* shadeslayer looks at help17:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 1124310 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Rekonq 2.1 Spell Check in Kubuntu 13.04 broken pending qtwebkit 2.3 beta1" [Undecided,New]17:12
shadeslayerwe should update to 2.3 beta117:12
shadeslayerokay, I will seriously look at it this tomorrow17:13
shadeslayerhmm ... don't see anything on moin moin help that tells me how to do indent it so that it always appears in the middle on all screen sizes17:14
Riddellshadeslayer: now that qtwebkit 5 packaging is in you could just see if that back be backported to 2.3?17:19
shadeslayerwill do17:20
* shadeslayer checks right now17:20
shadeslayerheh, they tagged beta 217:22
shadeslayerRiddell: is qtwebkit 5 in the archive17:25
Riddellshadeslayer: uh my computer crashed copying the arm image to SD when running 12.04 too, maybe it is the hardware17:30
Riddellshadeslayer: qtwebkit5 just passed New17:30
Riddellso source should be in there17:30
RiddellI think17:30
yofel_Riddell: is the sd drive something like mmcblk0 ?17:31
yofel_I had problems with my controller and usb-creator17:31
shadeslayerhttp://i.imgur.com/aZogAyH.png : Funky google chrome17:31
shadeslayeryofel_: heh, I have problems with my inbuilt sdcard reader as well17:31
Riddellyofel_: yes17:31
shadeslayersomething about not being able to read the memory card one moment, and then becoming fine the next moment17:32
yofel_it fails on my t510, but works on the tp edge from work which has a different controller17:32
Riddellit's always worked fine before17:32
shadeslayerfun, qtwebkit-opensource-src is 30 MB's,  https://gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit-23/archive-tarball/qtwebkit-2.3-beta2 is 1.2 GB's17:36
shadeslayerwtf? 17:36
Riddellthere might be some cruft they left in there :)17:37
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shadeslayerthere used to be a script that generated a tar17:39
shadeslayerbut that doesn't work anymore17:39
Riddell10:36 < apachelogger> where's sheytan when you need him -.-17:53
shadeslayerMirv: how did you generate the qtwebkit 5 tar?17:55
sheytanRiddell: there he is17:57
sheytanapachelogger: ping pong pingy17:57
Riddellshadeslayer: there's loads of stuff in the gitorious one you pointed me at which isn't in the qt5 one17:58
Riddelle.g.  2.2G    LayoutTests/17:58
Riddellshadeslayer: Mirv will get it from http://releases.qt-project.org/qt5/5.0.1/submodules_tar/17:59
RiddellManualTests PerformanceTests Websites all gone18:00
shadeslayerwell ... I can't just randomly drop folders18:00
Riddellprobably stuff in subdirectories too that aren't used by qtwebkit but are used by some other webkits18:00
shadeslayerthere has to be some sense to this madness18:00
Riddellit's not random, do it to match the qt5 tar18:00
Riddellok out for a few hours to techmeetup. new 12.04.2 candidate images expected sometime, alpha 2 testing to be done18:01
lordievaderRiddell: I don't think there is any need to verify the bug fix for bug 1123126 a second time?18:04
skaetRiddell,  ok.  Alpha 2 publishing will likely trigger on your testing finishing off.   Let slangasek know when you're comfortable publishing starting off.18:04
ubottubug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112312618:04
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kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1124149] Kubuntu 13.04 power button always turn off system @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1124149 (by Turbo)19:47
genii-aroundNot here it doesn't19:48
yofelBarkingFish reported that, let's see if he turns up19:52
yofelI remeber such and issue ages ago because the kded4 check in /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh leaves room for improvement19:52
genii-aroundMaybe he has nsome setting like acpi=off or so on19:56
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yofelI just noticed that when filing a bug on bugs.kde.org, out packages are being marked as being from "Other" distribution20:24
yofelprobably because bugzilla says "Ubuntu packages", and our kdelibs specifies "Kubuntu packages"20:24
yofelwhat do we want to adjust?20:24
lordievaderIn 13.04 the screensaver does not return focus to the application that had focus before the screensaver activated, to what package do I address this bug?21:13
yofelkwin would be responsible for that I believe21:17
lordievaderyofel: Thank you ;)21:20
lordievaderHmm ubuntu-bug claim kwin doesn't exist, must it be some plasma-something?21:20
lordievaderOr kde-window-manager?21:22
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yofellordievader: rather report that to bugs.kde.org21:28
yofellordievader: tip about apport though: ubuntu-bug /usr/bin/kwin work ;)21:29
lordievaderHey thanks :) On bugs.kde report it to kwin?21:30
yofelI would say21:30
yofelor the locker, but window focus is usually the responsibility of the window manager21:30
lordievaderOke :)21:30
Quintasanapachelogger: ping21:31
* yofel wonders if he's just making kde bug 315086 more confusing21:38
ubottuKDE bug 315086 in kpart "konsole hangs on launch with attached config" [Normal,Confirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31508621:38
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1030022] Port from legacy Xlib to to modern XCB @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1030022 (by Fred)21:46
* apachelogger cannot sleep :(22:12
apacheloggerQuintasan: pong22:12
QuintasanRiddell: \o22:12
apacheloggersheytan: good morning22:12
QuintasanIt's evening here duh22:12
apacheloggersheytan_: we needs a bootscreen good sir ^^22:12
Quintasanapachelogger: GJ!22:12
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Quintasanapachelogger: Say, you don't happen to know any KDE developers that would like to give a talk at 10th Linux Session in Poland?22:13
sheytanapachelogger: ofcourse we do. So we do some few things ;)22:13
sheytandid you see my blog post about ubiquity?22:13
apacheloggershadeslayer needs to implement tho ^^22:14
sheytanapachelogger: the logo looks better with the circle around it ;)22:15
apacheloggerwe wanted to go super minimalistic22:16
sheytanplus i think it would be better to blink each piece of the gear only once 22:16
sheytansuper minimalistic is to minimalistic in this case :)22:16
apacheloggernot sure22:16
apacheloggermy pov: SSD setups ought to be the point of reference and there you don't really see the splash anyway22:17
sheytanand i aked  you if you see my blog spot, couse i want kinda background for the splash, installer and ldm, but i have to create it :D22:17
sheytanapachelogger: have an ssd too this times, and i know what you talk about22:17
sheytanbut atleast don't make it black :)22:17
sheytando it gray22:17
sheytanplus that circle i mention above. 22:18
apacheloggerpeople don't like grey22:18
sheytanyou can do a demo atleast :D22:18
sheytanthey do22:18
sheytani do :D22:18
apacheloggerthat is to say I thought about making it an oxygen-style of grey22:18
Quintasan>oxygen style of grey22:18
* Quintasan hides22:18
apacheloggerblue looks weird22:18
sheytanapachelogger: can you show me the oxygen-gray one?22:19
sheytanblue not22:19
apacheloggernot in kubuntu right now22:19
sheytanmail me please :)22:19
sheytanbut what you generally think about havin one background for installer, ldm and ksplash and other for the wallpaper (which in this case we already have)?22:20
sheytanthis will look more elegant22:20
sheytani'm really tired looking on the same image everywhere. Same thing in the KDE apps. They use default wallpaper for each app main view.22:21
apacheloggeryeah I noticed that in kmail today22:21
apacheloggermade me almost throw up22:21
apacheloggerlooks terrible22:21
sheytanthat's waht i'm talking about22:22
apacheloggersheytan: apparently nuno has some great unified vision for plymouth-lightdm-ksplash for 4.1122:22
sheytanthey suppose to use one standard backgrohnd22:22
apacheloggerso personally I'd not invest too much into unification for kubuntu 13.0422:22
sheytandid you see it?22:22
apacheloggerI saw the lightdm thing22:22
sheytanwhich has the 4.10 wallpaper as background22:22
apachelogger(mind the encoding is a bit broken so I'd download the file)22:23
sheytani did22:24
sheytanit's not bad22:24
sheytanone thing22:25
sheytanplymouth must have a logo in the middle of the screen. Not in the corner. I didn't see it in the first 5 sec22:25
sheytanwe can use the Nuno's background22:25
sheytanbut with the anim. you just made22:26
sheytancan you combine this?22:26
apacheloggerplease talk to nuno about that first though22:26
sheytanplus i don't like the user list. It's too minimalistic22:26
apacheloggerI think some framey thing is missing22:27
apacheloggersurrounding the current entry22:27
sheytanplus the clock i used in my ldm theme22:27
sheytangenerally a clock and date is missing here22:27
sheytanand session switch22:28
apacheloggerdate I think we do not need, clock is useful tho22:28
apacheloggersheytan: yeah, since it is essentially a clone of the ubuntu theme, we should simply drag in their remaining design ... i.e. a frame around the current entry + some tiny icon to switch the session22:28
sheytanbut it's cool to have such: Monday, 15th february | 11:2322:28
apacheloggerin some languages that can easily be twice as long22:29
sheytanppl use big screens these days :D22:29
apacheloggerthing is... I often am at the login screen and wonder what time it is22:29
apacheloggerI do not particularly wonder what date it is22:29
apacheloggerlet alone the weekday22:29
sheytananyway, i belive Nuno will comeout with something for the session22:29
apacheloggerlike if I did not know the weekday I'd be worried ^^22:30
sheytanhappens to me too22:30
apacheloggeryou should see a doctor :P22:30
sheytandoesn't happen that often :D22:30
apacheloggerah well, we can't use being hung over as a use case after which our software should be designed :P22:31
apacheloggerah yes22:31
sheytanNuno wants to have the theme for 4.11 and we release 13.04 in april which is going to be first22:31
apacheloggersheytan: reason why I did not put a logo in with the nuno background22:31
apacheloggerwe cannot really nicely animate from plymouth to lightdm22:32
apacheloggerso iff we want to go for the smoothest possible transition the elements found in plymouth ought to be present in lightdm22:32
apacheloggerhence why I made the shutdown button breath, rather than slap a logo in the middle of the screen that then magically disappears22:33
sheytani think that's the way it should be that a thing disappears. Why? Couse you're not in plymouth anymore22:34
sheytanthat's not a big problem i guess22:34
apacheloggerScottK, Riddell: get the point of bug 103002222:35
ubottubug 1030022 in spectrwm (Ubuntu) "Port from legacy Xlib to to modern XCB" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103002222:35
apacheloggersheytan: that is inconsistent arguing, if we expect the user to know/care that there is a different piece of software that presents the bootscreen vs. the login manager then we can simply have different themes alltogether22:36
apacheloggerotherwise we'd have to change amarok to not use a non-standard toolbar22:36
sheytanbut till now we did it that yway22:37
sheytanwe had a kubuntu logo and that dots lighting22:38
sheytanthen they did disappear and kdm showed up22:38
apacheloggerand it was inconsistent22:38
sheytana little bit22:38
sheytanwindows has it that way, os x, and we did and nobody cares22:39
sheytanso maybe the disappearing logo will be not a bad idea :)22:39
genii-aroundIs this what causes the boot to just go grey with Kubuntu 13.04  and the progress dots in black each first boot after an update? The subsequent boots show the gears and correct background.22:40
apacheloggerboth also have insanenly minimalistic splashes, so we should go with that :P22:40
apacheloggergenii-around: sounds more like something is wrong with your initramfs and/or upstart and/or plymouth22:41
sheytanyeah, welcome  back to the past ;D22:41
Quintasanisn't investing time in that kind of pointless?22:41
genii-aroundapachelogger: Hm, OK. I did have to make a custom initrd22:41
sheytanit's not22:41
Quintasanmost users install closed source drviers22:41
xnox"<sheytan> did you see my blog post about ubiquity?" link? =)22:41
Quintasanand that breaks plymouth22:41
Quintasanat least nvidia does22:41
sheytanQuintasan: doesn't break here22:42
apacheloggernvidia doesnt22:42
Quintasanwhy does my plymouth looks like crap?22:42
apacheloggerintel doesn't22:42
apacheloggerati perhaps does22:42
apacheloggercan't remember22:42
apacheloggershadeslayer would know muhahaha22:42
Quintasanapachelogger: you sure?22:42
apacheloggerQuintasan: kinda22:43
sheytani'm running on optimus right now and nvidia and intel work both great22:43
Quintasanthis retarded closed source driver doesn't even support proper framebuffer here22:43
apacheloggerI don't really see my splashes a lot22:43
Quintasanit's another problem only I have22:43
apacheloggerget an SSD22:43
sheytanon my PC with nvidia closed source works fine too22:43
Quintasanthe driver says there is no 1920x1080 framebuffer22:43
sheytanbut as apachelogger just said, SSD is to quick for this :)22:43
Quintasanand it uses some crap resolution22:43
apacheloggerfortunately it is not too quick for kde login22:44
sheytanxnox: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2013/02/poszukiwanie-nowych-rozwiazan.html22:44
apacheloggerwhich is somewhat disturbing22:44
sheytanit's not apachelogger22:44
apacheloggerlike it takes longer to login than it takes to start the OS22:44
sheytanyeah :D22:44
sheytanand you already throwed up some things that were starting with kde ;d22:45
apacheloggerit's plasma's fault22:45
sheytanmaybe libplasma2 and qml will change the thing a bit22:46
sheytanapachelogger: ok, i just asked nuno for the backgroun so i will take some time tomorrow on mockups ;)22:47
Riddellnuno is stuck in glasgow22:50
sheytanok guys22:56
sheytantalk to ya tomorrow22:56
sheytantake care ;)22:56
Riddellshadeslayer: hey plasma active is working lovely, well done on that23:05
Riddellwhee phonon vlc!23:21
Riddellcongratulations apachelogger 23:21
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)23:55
Quintasanapachelogger: so23:55
Quintasanapachelogger: what about my question?23:55
QuintasanRiddell: Did you get it running on a tablet or PC?23:56
Quintasanmfw shadeslayer did plasma active23:56
RiddellQuintasan: on my lapop23:57
Quintasangotta give it a spin23:57
yofelhm, launchpad is kidding me23:58
yofelwas trying to make a daily build of proper kdelibs, which turned out like this: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131187602/buildlog.txt.gz23:59

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