[00:04] LOL === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === lortech is now known as haryv [00:32] its in the bible..money is the root of all evil. never met a happy millionare/billionare. usally they are not happy..or bussy making others less happy. [00:33] bankers are a good example...greed which is unbelievable! === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [00:33] Did you know the replacment CEO for washington mutual was only in his seat for two weeks before the federal goverment took over the bank? he left with millions in his pocket === jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine_ === jackyalcine_ is now known as zz_jackyalcine [00:34] Washington Mutual was the largest savings bank to ever collapse a few years ago [00:34] anyone played with ubuntu on droid [00:34] haha I know Hary, it was a blessing in disguise [00:35] clipper, droid is a operating system [00:35] I had an overdrafted cpa account with wamu when they folded [00:35] and it disappeared into candy land [00:35] gotta love it [00:35] wow [00:35] i know that, the droid shit is just apps that emulate [00:35] but gives the look and feel, its nice [00:36] crap clipper [00:36] I frown on profaity. very unprofessional in the working world and familly. [00:37] some teens are just horrible and end up in construction. [00:48] hi, is there some one about who could do a 30 min session on kubuntu about a week after 13.04 arrives in #ubuntu-classroom? [00:49] phillw: -> #kubuntu-devel [00:51] yofel: is there some difference between people who are new to kubuntu that needs -devel to explain it? But, I will go ask [00:52] phillw: hm, not really, but not all people in -devel always watch this channel. So it's a question who you plan to reach [00:54] yofel: a 30 minute chat for newcomers to kubuntu, bear in mind that they are n00bs, I always think it is better for a 'user' than a dev to hold that session. There will be later ones on where the devs can scare the life out of a new comer..... [00:55] good point... [00:56] I'm off to bed anyway, good night [01:41] anyone here === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [03:03] Hey guys, I've just installed Kubuntu-desktop as a package and my screen keeps going black after about 5 minutes of no keyboard/mouse activity. I've turned off the screen saver and the settings in the kde power management, but Iit still turnes off after 5 mins. Any help guys? [03:04] sorry I got disconnected. Does anyone know what I can do? [03:06] any help guys? [03:08] My screen goes black after about 5 minutes even though I've turned off the screensaver and power settings [03:23] Come-on open source community, I was told you're better than this [03:25] subtle === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [03:26] do you know anything about this error? [03:26] I just installed kbuntu-desktop and my screen goes black after 5 minutes of inactivity. I've turned off the screen saver and adjusted the power settings but the screen still goes black. Anyone know what to do? [03:33] name of the printer installation tool in kde4 ? [03:36] greetings! When I download something using Firefox, I want to use dolphin to open the folder where it is located. Firefox keeps asking me where the program is located. Were IS dolphin located? thanks! [03:39] ScottyK: /usr/bin/dolphin is what you need I reckon... [03:39] intelikey: you're probably looking for the kcm system-config-printer-kde [03:40] intelikey: you should find it in system settings [03:42] gorgonizer - Sweet, that did it, thanks! [03:42] ScottyK: no probs.. [03:50] thanks torch, had to reinstall cups and now can configure. thanks again. [04:29] hello === skadi is now known as Pantremenos_psol === misterii is now known as chakkimatti === adrian is now known as Guest13735 [09:45] Hello, I have just installed a second video card but cannot get kubuntu to detect it. Any guidance? === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine === arnold is now known as Guest52406 === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === spawn[dead] is now known as spawn57 === spawn57 is now known as spawn[57 === spawn[57 is now known as spawn57 [11:13] Does Kubuntu 12.10 support secure boot, or only Ubuntu 12.10? [11:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#QuantalQuetzal.2BAC8-ReleaseNotes.2BAC8-CommonInfrastructure.Secure_Boot [11:21] PrincessLuna: it'd be nice to find out since no one has tested [11:21] PrincessLuna: It /should/ have the necessary bits [11:22] but I can't say for sure [11:22] so if you have a secure boot laptop available, please test and let us know :) [11:22] shadeslayer: I attempted to boot and it shows the grub screen, but then stalls at a blank screen ones it gets past grub. [11:23] ah [11:23] can you try by removing "quiet splash" from the boot line? [11:23] so it does load grub, that's a good thing [11:23] shadeslayer: Tried same, thing ... there is no usb activity (I tried liveusb) [11:24] can you take a snapshot so I can read the boot output [11:24] shadeslayer: There is no output, just a black screen and backlight [11:25] oh ... hm [11:25] can you check if it boots with ubuntu? [11:25] Not at present but I could check after some days [11:26] PrincessLuna: okay, it'd be nice to get some feedback on this [11:26] PrincessLuna: please email the kubuntu-devel mailing list with your findings [11:26] Ok [11:27] If Ubuntu doesn't boot, that shouldn't be necessary though as blank screen can also occur due to some UEFI implementations [11:28] It boots in Legacy Mode and UEFI with secure boot off. Using UEFI and secure boot on, it hangs. === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [11:33] shadeslayer: In case touch as well hasn't been tested. Plasma's multi-touch input works really well on win8 hardware in 13.04. === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as zz_zz_jackyalcin === zz_zz_jackyalcin is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine === FReaper is now known as FlameReaper === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [12:16] PrincessLuna: oooohhh [12:17] PrincessLuna: this is with all updates? [12:19] shadeslayer: Yes [12:19] awesome [12:19] PrincessLuna: what hardware do you have? [12:20] shadeslayer: Thinkpad s230u [12:20] It uses an Atmel Maxtouch digitiser; 5 point touch === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [12:21] nice === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [12:33] !away | jackyalcine [12:33] jackyalcine: Please do not use noisy away messages and nicks in Ubuntu channels. It is annoying and unnecessary. Use the command "/away " to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine === FReaper is now known as FlameReaper === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [13:13] hi guys === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [13:15] i just dist-upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04, and am having issues. Somehow, openssh-server didn't install properly, and it won't install properly manually, either [13:16] in the post-install config, I get an 'auto configuration failed' error about a missing equal sign [13:16] during the upgrade, when promted, I had told it not to overwrite my config file (maybe a bad idea in hindsight?) [13:17] I've found a couple of refernces to similar issues, but no solution was noted [13:18] does anyone have any ideas I could try that may this this? Thanks [13:18] ^may fix this === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [13:25] Hey all [13:26] hi [13:26] PrincessLuna: you might want to join #kubuntu-devel since we are looking for secureboot testers [13:27] marktaff: how did you upgrade? [13:27] dist-upgrade from the gui [13:27] the gui? [13:27] shadeslayer: Ok, but I can't use the laptop for some time .. by next week I should be able [13:28] PrincessLuna: sure np :) [13:28] software management --> updates, it offered the option to dist-upgrade to 12.04 [13:31] shadeslayer: kubuntu is looking for people to test secure boot, [13:31] shadeslayer: is kubuntu using a different solution than ubuntu ? [13:32] ikonia: nope, we just don't know if the ISO's are built with the secure boot binaries === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine [13:32] ahhh === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [13:32] or if the final ISO even works [13:33] that makes sense [13:33] I thought there may have been an interesting change / solution [13:33] for the error messages in questsion, see: http://paste.kde.org/670256/ [13:34] marktaff: why su - root ? [13:34] marktaff: you know that the root account should be disabled ? [13:34] last I checked, Ubuntu uses a slightly older version of shim [13:34] and a signed grub I think [13:34] marktaff: also that paste is incomplete, it's not showing half the commands of the errors being displayed [13:35] I prefer to use the root account for root actions [13:35] then you should have a basic grasp of what you are doing [13:35] if you are competant enough to unlock the root account [13:35] what bits are missing? that is all the text in the console [13:36] marktaff: when you so su - where is the grep command that's causing the error [13:36] marktaff: where is the commands trying to update ssh agent [13:36] from my .bashrc [13:37] your enviornment is messed up [13:37] marktaff: right, so again you should know what you are doing [13:39] Riddell: However there is no need to use the Ubuntu secure boot method. I presume all distros including ubuntu will soon move to http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/linux-foundation-releases-secure-boot-loader-212661 [13:41] what makes you think my environment is preventing openssh-server from installing === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [13:45] So, I completely removed my start_agent function from my .bashrc, re-sourced it, then re-installed openssh-server, and I still get the same error, so the issue has nothing to do with my .bashrc [13:45] I didn't say it did [13:45] I said your env is messed up [13:45] if you look at the error you get from your env setup, it's the same as your install for open-sshe [13:45] Do you have any other ideas on things I might check? Thanks [13:46] hello world :D [13:46] I'm not progresing this as you've setup your root account when it should be locked and filled it with rubbish, I don't know what else you've done [13:49] Wouldn't be easier to just say you don't know how to help me? [13:52] marktaff: pretty confident I could work it through [13:52] so saying I don't know how to help you would be wrong [13:55] The why don't we just set aside your opinion on not using the root account, and let's work together to get it fixed? [13:55] for the reason I've just stated [13:56] I don't know what else you've done and I'm not confident you know what you are doing using the root account [13:56] sorry if I didn't make that clear initially [13:56] So, it was woking fine before the upgrade, but some using the gui as a regular user to do the upgrade somehow make the root user's env the problem? [13:57] the fact that you are asking this shows you are not confident with what you are doing, and you shouldn't have been trying to setup the root account [13:57] I have been using a root account to work and develop free software (like KDE) for over 12 years [13:57] then you shouldn't be getting those errors in your .profile [13:57] The errors weren't there before the failed upgrade [13:58] 12 years experience as root suggests that should have been sorted out [13:58] is there a PPA for Firefox-KDE for Firefox 18.02? [13:58] I'll not distract you further, best of luck === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine [13:59] mr0wl current Firefox is 18.0.2 no need for a PPA [14:00] OerHeks: Firefox-KDE is different from Firefox [14:00] the one with the KDE file dialog integration [14:02] i think it has to be updated with each Firefox update [14:02] Kubuntu 12.04 dropped KDE Support For Firefox [14:05] yes, but it was reinstated by another company [14:05] they also fund the kubuntu development [14:06] the PPA i use to use is Blue-Shells https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde [14:33] hi. what ide do you use for web dev(htm/css/javascript)? [14:35] Hello [14:35] Amarilis: Kate [14:36] !ide [14:36] Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, pida, monodevelop, geany - Others: eclipse, netbeans, qtcreator [14:37] he, Umbrello, not really a full IDE :) [14:41] I cannot seem to get everything in Kubuntu to proxy.... [14:41] My work network is very restricted (not my call), but they have proxies set up [14:42] @ovidiu-florin: imi place kate dar trebuie sa invete sa inchida tagurile [14:42] @ovidiu-florin: ceea ce bluefish face standard [14:43] why are we not speaking english? :( [14:44] !ro | Amarilis [14:44] Amarilis: Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro [14:45] @phunyguy: i said that i like kate but it does lack some of the functions that bluefish has [14:46] Amarilis, @ isn't necessary on irc , the nick will work [14:48] Amarilis, this is kubuntu not ubuntu , if you have any kubuntu related questions , feel free to ask [14:49] blueskaj: i know. it's just a habit i guess [14:49] i know [14:50] Hey guys, i have a problem with konsole, it does not open. Wether i launch it from the kickoff or from a launcher or from krunner(that alt+f2 thing) i just get the hopping icon and then nothing appears, tried to read some logs but i'm new to KDE, does anyone now a reason, or how i could narrow the problem down? [14:50] Can anyone tell me, how do I change he appearance of Kubuntu 12.04 LTS to MAC? [14:53] a2r, are you typing konsole or terminal ? [14:54] mahesh, that's not really a kubuntu support question is it ? [14:54] @BluesKaj, tried both [14:55] BluesKaj: when i typ terminal it also suggests konsole so i think it doesn't matter [14:56] a2r, is this after an update /upgrade ? [14:59] BluesKaj: didn't quit remember, i installed kubuntu 12.10 with kde4.10 just yesterday on a new partition to test if i can switch from 12.04. I know after all was upgraded the konsole worked. [15:00] a2r, update/upgrade again [15:01] with the package manager [15:01] and make sure the konsole is installed there [15:03] yep just looked through muon konsole ist installed, didn't want to remove it because it would also remove kubuntu-desktop so i did an apt-get install --reinstall konsole didn't help. and no updates available [15:03] at the the tty ? [15:04] BluesKaj: yep [15:04] weird [15:05] BluesKaj: i'm not that familiar with muon, is there a way to downgrade a package? like in synaptic? [15:05] a2r, at the tty , try sudo dbus-launch terminal [15:06] and pastebin the out put if you can [15:07] is there a way to copypaste in tty? [15:07] oops :) [15:08] a tee'd it [15:08] anyway , a2r were any errors? [15:09] there [15:10] BluesKaj: okay that didn't work for error streams for terminal it says no file or directions (obvious) for konsole it says" Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-arthur" is owned bei uid 1000 instead of uid 0 === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [15:13] ikonia, your expertise is needed here , a2r isn't able to launch the terinal ,no matter what he tries to do , appears to be crashing [15:13] err terminal [15:14] BluesKaj: what's up [15:15] ikonia, a2r isn't able to launch the terminal in the usual ways [15:15] sounds interesting [15:15] whats happening, launching and crashing, not starting, etc ? [15:16] ikonia: wehter i start from kickoff or from a launcher or from krunner i just get the hopping icon on the mouse and than nothing happens [15:16] a2r: what graphics card do you have ? [15:16] ikonia: radeon hd5650 [15:17] a2r: this maybe an unusual request, but can you force your xorg to use the vesa driver [15:17] the only time I've seen similar things is the video interaction [15:17] and ati is a good candidate for that [15:18] theres no other way than removing the driver isn't it? is it enough to do that via jockey? and do i have to reinstall some packages for that? [15:18] don't have to remove it [15:18] just force your xorg.conf conf to use vesa [15:18] hi [15:18] no sound from my system [15:19] http://paste.kde.org/670310/ [15:21] a2r: also is it just the terminal that's failing, or any other commands ? [15:22] ikonia: just konsole, all other applications work fine, that a little weird, but shouldn't xorg.conf be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf??? [15:22] turgay, [15:22] in the terminal type ' alsamixer ', make sure the Master, PCM, Line & CD are all unmuted ,by using the "M" key' then turn those controls up to the max. [15:23] a2r: correct [15:23] ikonia: there is none 0o [15:23] a2r: that's odd, as I thought the ati drivers reated one [15:23] turgay, also run this , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel [15:24] a2r: fancy an odd test? [15:24] turgay, if the module loads properly there will be no output from that command [15:24] ikonia: i try a sudo aticonf --initial -f [15:24] a2r: ok - lets park that for a moment [15:25] a2r: can you install "xterm" from the software repo please. [15:25] ikonia: done [15:25] BluesKaj: thanks [15:25] a2r: can you launch it ? [15:25] * BluesKaj facepalms ...why didn't I think of that :) ? [15:25] ikonia: runs like a charm [15:26] a2r: ok, from xterm, try to launch konsole [15:26] lets get some debug [15:27] theres an error how can i copy in xterm? ctrl+shift+c is not doing it [15:27] a2r: just hilight it, then middle mouse (both mouse buttons) into a pastebin [15:28] a2r, just ctrl +c , no shift needed [15:30] ikonia: that runs all hightled commands again BluesKaj: that makes ^C (kill process) [15:30] a2r: no, only hilight the text, the in the pastebin window use the middle mouse button [15:32] Alternately, after the text is highlighted, right-click and choose "Copy" from the popup menu [15:32] in xchat highlighted text is automatically copied to the clipboard [15:32] ikonia: http://paste.kde.org/670328/ [15:33] ikonia, genii-around, mandoguit: thanks :D [15:33] a2r: ok, so dbus is not responding [15:36] ikonia: does it help? [15:36] a2r: well, it shows why it's not working, but why dbus isn't responding...not really [15:36] a2r: if you do a "ps -ef | grep dbus" does it return anything ? [15:36] I wonder if libqt4-dbus is installed [15:37] (not really a big kde user) [15:37] genii-around: educate me, what is that ? [15:37] ikonia: a lot http://paste.kde.org/670334/ [15:38] ikonia: The main Qt interface to dbus [15:38] ok, so other things are responding to dbus [15:38] or dbus is responding to them I should say [15:38] so what would stop it responding to konsole.... [15:39] genii-around: I'm assuming if other QT apps are working with dbus, it is installed, is that logical ? [15:39] genii-around: yep apt-cache policy says 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3 [15:40] ikonia: Yes, if xapian and NM are there then the issue is elsewhere [15:42] a2r: Is qdbus installed? [15:43] 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3 [15:43] there is a dbus test script on the net, let me see if I can find it [15:45] genii-around, i don't see Xapian listed in the output [15:46] BluesKaj: Line 9 of his paste http://paste.kde.org/670334/ [15:48] ok genii-around , my apologies , these old eyes have difficulty sometimes [15:48] * genii-around loans BluesKaj his bi-focals [15:49] no bifocals needed , just better concentration :) [15:50] Heh [15:50] interesting project for once [15:50] a2r: Did you just do an update/upgrade and not reboot yet? [15:51] genii-around: nope [15:51] reboot would be interesting [15:51] genii-around: problem exists till yesterday evening hat a few reboots since then [15:52] -till +since [15:52] a2r: What PPA if any are you using? [15:54] genii-around: the standard once from the kubuntu 12.10 install + the kubuntu-ppa/backports [15:54] konsole is installed from the backports ppa [15:56] * genii-around makes more coffee and contemplates [15:57] Hmmmm [15:57] I wonder if that's the issue [15:58] is there a way to force an older version of konsole, i know synaptic can do that but i don't know how muon does it, and if it would help [16:00] you can install synaptic a2r , I still use it [16:01] BluesKaj: really, you use it on kde ? [16:02] a2r: In apt get, you specify the version like: sudo apt-get install package=versionnumber [16:02] genii-around: thanks, just figured out how to do it in muon [16:02] a2r, why did you install konsole from the backports , it should be default with kubuntu [16:03] BluesKaj: i upgraded to KDE 4.10 [16:04] okay i downgraded konsole to 4.9.4 problems still the same i try a reboot [16:05] a2r: What does some command like: kate -version show for KDE version? I get for instance KDE Development Platform: 4.10.00 here [16:05] Bleh [16:15] there i am again, problem is still the same [16:17] a2r, genii-around , suggested run , kate -version in xterm [16:18] Qt: 4.8.3 [16:18] KDE: 4.10.00 [16:18] Kate: 3.10.0 [16:18] ok [16:18] OK, so 4.10.00 and Qt 4.8.3 [16:20] hello have a problem with my wifes kubuntu, she cant shutdown via gui the only way is reboot and shutdown commands, short about what happens befor: we got new hd and i copied root via partition copy but the home partition i had to copy manualy (via rsync with a lot of options like --permission --users -groups ) since then reboot via gui doesnt work, i looked through some logs (kdm,dmsg,auth) without finding anytrhing can i run the functio === pixarras is now known as Gil === Gil is now known as Guest14727 === Guest14727 is now known as don_tonio === don_tonio is now known as Aldo === Aldo is now known as Gil_ [16:28] well i guess the problems not gonna be solved, i just stick with xterm, maybe in a futer update it will be fixed :P [16:30] a2r, why not try renaming /var/temp/kdecache-arthur to something else (while KDE isn't running) to ensure it isn't the cache itself that is corrupted? [16:31] marktaff: i try, wait [16:35] marktaff: nope [16:35] MySystem, http://askubuntu.com/questions/30012/can-i-backup-my-entire-ubuntu-installation-to-iso-dvd [16:35] a2r: bummer [16:37] thanks blueskaj but hopefully i dont have do make all again because linux runs and home is there and so but for next time i try this way [16:39] MySystem, I think the iso to dvd install method is best , simpler at least === avihay_ is now known as avihay [16:42] i thinks so hopefully this works also with nearly 200gb sys+home but thats not the point for now i hope [16:42] i want be able to shut kde+linux down or reboot without having to type shutdown/reboot and kill the kdm with this, i just want to klick in the fine kde gui shutdown and confirm [16:42] a2r: Well, I'm out of immediate ideas right now [16:43] but dont know where to search for the errror or errorlog [16:46] a2r: I'm just a bit stumped by your paste--it looks like konsole never even started, let alone crashed [16:46] a2r, are you on 12.10 ? [16:47] after doing some updates to ubuntu 12.04 I now am no longer able to log into my kde4 session. I can only start an xfce session. gnome does not work either. any ideas where I can look to fix this? [16:48] I tried restarting kdm and reinstalling kdm. Now KDM doesn't even give me an option to start kde. Only gnome and xfce are left. [16:50] FlyingFoX: Does apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop show it as installed? [16:50] FlyingFoX: I have been having the same issues, but I've been assured that my environment is messed up (not that I think that is actually the problem, though) [16:51] genii-around: nope it doesn't. ty! gonna fix that now. [16:52] upgrading to 12.10 fixed the issue with the bad install/configuration of openssh-server [16:52] and it works again :) === murthy is now known as murthy_ [16:58] ok got an idea but without sucess found "qdbus org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer org.kde.KSMServerInterface.logout -1 -1 -1" and added --literal and if i send it with different int params at end link noconfirm also nothing happens and the only output is [] [16:59] FlyingFoX: I had the opposite issue lately with lightdm-kde-greeter where it de-installed xubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop and left me only kubuntu .... [16:59] BluesKaj: yes on 12.10 with kde 4.10 [17:00] ...and my system now works as well! :-) That you *very* much genii-around and FlyingFoX [17:01] marktaff: lol [17:02] for some reason, kubuntu-desktop didn't get updated. And the issue with the open ssh was me not accpeting the new config file during the initial install. I'm a happy camper now. :-) [17:02] BBL, stuff to do [17:05] sry marktaff my english is not the best you mean the gdbus line works as well and the second part (after smilie)of your sentence i dont get [17:07] MySystem: I wasn't talking about your issue, I meant that Thank them for their help, but I mis-typed [17:07] oh ok thx for explaination [17:08] nobody an idea for this issue [17:08] a2r: any different output if you run konsole as `konsole --nocrashhandler' [17:09] nope [17:09] MySystem: sorry, I wasn't even paying attention to your issue, I was trying to fix my own and help a2r. Give me a few minutes to look at your issue [17:10] would be nice and of course i give you a few minutes [17:13] a2r: my next step would be to try running konsole under gdb, but if you aren't familiar with C++ programming, that may be a bridge too far. Other than that, I'm at a loss to know what to try next [17:13] marktaff: well i know the basics of C++ :P but i don't know what gdb ist [17:15] a2r: gdb is the gnu debugger [17:16] MySystem: please try making a new kde user, then log into kde as that new user, then try to reboot or shutdown. This will help us eliminate some possibilities [17:18] nice idea will do [17:18] a2r: If you have gdb and konsole-dbg package installed, then you can: gdb konsole and it should give more informative output about the fail [17:21] logout also doesnt work [17:22] so it still doesn't work, even with a new user? [17:25] no cant perform test [17:26] user creation works but logout doesn't work and a new problem i cant change autologin main user so i cant switch user in kde === spawn57 is now known as spawn[dead] [17:27] Hmm, k, wait a min [17:28] instead of logging out, can you just start a new kde session as the new user (switch user) [17:29] i just ran konsole just normally through gdb http://paste.kde.org/670682/ don't think it helps :P and because i never used such tools i think the search for a solution is now dead :P [17:32] a2r: OK.. you can type quit to get out of the gdb shell [17:32] genii-around: :D was able to figure that out [17:33] marktaff nice idea worked and sucessfully rebooted [17:33] MySystem: Excellent! [17:33] a2r, I have to say this is the first time I've seen this problem with the terminal/konsole, very unusual [17:33] a2r: Yeah, nothing useful there [17:33] i saw another thing the lightdm manager requires password but the dialog doesnt appear thats why i cant set autologin off [17:35] and the shutdown confirm dialog alos doesnt appear and update manager also didnt get it managed to ask for password [17:35] MySystem: That means the issue is with the kde settings for you and your wife's users [17:35] well the weirdest thing is that this is the only app that doesn't launch, all other kde apps like dolphin dragon rekonq etc run perfectly, but its not that bad, i can use xterm for a while and maybe the thing patches itself away sometime, i think i will put kde4.10 on my 12.04 install maybe the problem is not present there [17:36] MySystem: give me a minute to poke around === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:40] a2r: OK, I guess then try just: gdb then at it's prompt: set verbose on then: file konsole if it gets past that try: run [17:41] yofel: a2r has a stumper, konsole won't run. [17:41] o.O [17:42] genii-around: it loads a lot of files and then the same [17:42] a2r: is konsole working now ? [17:43] drkonqi doesn't run when it crashes? [17:43] http://paste.kde.org/670718/ here is the output [17:47] yofel: It doesn't seem to get to the actual loading state === laplj003 is now known as jeff_laplante [17:47] yeah, which is... weird [17:50] I find it hard to believe the actual problem is in konsole itself [17:50] a2r: does gdb do something more useful if you run 'export KDE_DEBUG=1' before trying to run gdb? [17:52] Hm. [17:52] a2r: What says result of: file /usr/bin/konsole [17:53] yofel: this is the same with that export before [17:53] http://paste.kde.org/670760/ [17:53] genii-around: with or without that export stuff? [17:53] grrr, how does one prevent it from forking [17:53] I am suddenly thinking it is maybe 32 bit konsole or something else odd [17:54] genii-around: good idea [17:54] 32bit konsole should use 32 libs, but with KDE that might indeed do something weird [17:55] wait, that doesn't work [17:55] our lib packages don't support multiarch [17:55] genii-around: this is /usr/bin/konsole http://paste.kde.org/670772/ [17:56] a2r: no, just run 'file /usr/bin/konsole' in xterm [17:57] http://paste.kde.org/670778/ [17:58] Hm, my sha1 is different [17:58] MySystem: Since we know it works with a new user, you could try renaming /home/[user]/.kde folder to /home/[user]/.kde.old You will lose all of your KDE config settings (KDE in general, and also KDE Apps), so make sure you just rename it instead of deleting it, so you still have the copy. The .kde folder will recreate itself [17:59] MySystem: Note that .kde also contains some of your *user data* , so be sure not to delete it [17:59] genii-around: the sha is correct, you need to have the exact same binary for it to match [18:00] MySystem: If you can reboot after kde has created the new .kde folder, you can either manually reconfigure all your settings, or copy the rc files over one at a time. It is a pain, but it will work ok [18:01] yofel: So it seems good there. Which makes it even more puzzling to me. [18:02] I'm trying to remember how kde starts it, "konsole" is really a window with the konsole kpart embedded [18:06] ok marktaff thats a bit of work but you are right it could work i will try it if i have a bit of time with the pc thanks for all the good ideas if i see you next days i will report have a nice day [18:06] MySystem: Best of luck to you [18:07] MySystem: I finally found it! [18:08] a2r: I know you already reinstalled konsole a few times, but maybe check for any inconsistent package by installing debsums and running 'debsums -s' [18:09] MySystem: /home/[user]/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc trying renaming that file to something else, then rebooting/shutting down any way possible, the login in a try the shutdown command. That file controls the KDE Session Manager Server [18:11] yofel: it's running [18:11] I think it is high time I started using a larger font on my laptop. :-) [18:11] wao if this works my you decreased my work from over 1000files to 1 [18:11] yep, fingers crossed === omen is now known as Guest79700 [18:16] yofel: http://paste.kde.org/670814/ ("keine berechtigung" is german for no authorization) [18:18] you are my hero and thefrom my wife [18:18] lots of thx also from my wife [18:19] MySystem: Woohoo! [18:19] *cheers*to marktaff [18:20] but kde didnt find it nice that i first renamed and then reboot (lots of errors) [18:20] MySystem: working on the ksmserver issue has brought back memories of GRUB NextBoot (http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12140) from before my days as a KDE developer. :-) [18:21] MySystem: You are quite welcome, I'm glad I was able to help you solve your problem [18:25] wtf the link about grub next boot is one thing i searched for [18:25] a2r: if it's just that then that's fine :/ [18:26] I doubt it even works, I haven't maintained it in many years [18:26] a2r: one thing worth to try would be yakuake. That's a drop-down terminal that uses konsole as it's core [18:26] I'm curious if that fails too [18:26]