[01:11] <szczur> anyone seen bioterror?
[01:17] <Unit193> szczur: Sadly, not for a while. :/
[01:22] <szczur> Unit193, :)
[01:22] <szczur> i'm here
[01:23] <szczur> what do you want? :P
[01:23] <szczur> kinddna out of #lubuntu craze for a while
[01:29] <wxl> ok check this one out
[01:30] <wxl> 12.10 font weirdness
[01:30] <wxl> here's lxterminal with ubuntu mono: http://imgur.com/tdovfnb,bJbmfUN
[01:31] <wxl> and here's the same terminal with source sans pro (an adobe open source font i not only like but have used in lubuntu before): http://imgur.com/tdovfnb,bJbmfUN
[01:31] <wxl> oh wait, i see there both on that same link
[01:31] <wxl> "first image" is the bad one and "second image" is the good one
[01:31] <wxl> note that the size of the terminal changes, too
[01:31] <wxl> just by changing the font
[01:31] <wxl> wth?
[01:42] <GeorgeIoak2> just did a clean install of lubuntu and am trying to set up iniit scripts but they aren't running at boot. how can i debug ?
[01:43] <GeorgeIoak2> if i /etc/init.d/scriptname.sh start and stop works
[01:44] <GeorgeIoak2> i also ran sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/filename
[01:44] <GeorgeIoak2> and then sudo update-rc.d filename defaults
[01:44] <GeorgeIoak2> the symlinks were created in rc directories
[01:58] <GeorgeIoak2> any hints anyone?
[02:09] <genii-around> GeorgeIoak2: Perhaps look at the update-rc.d manpage
[02:12] <genii-around> GeorgeIoak2: What is the init script supposed to do? Perhaps it is running before some other thing it needs as a prerequisite is not running before
[02:12] <GeorgeIoak2> genii-around: Yes, I've looked and a similar procedure on a Debian system last year worked
[02:13] <genii-around> I'm not sure when upstart makes the call to run all the old sysv stuff
[02:13] <GeorgeIoak2> genii-around: it basically starts chromium-browser with --kiosk switch
[02:14] <GeorgeIoak2> i noticed some references to upstart and haven't used it. was wondering if i needed to but this seemed rather straight forward
[02:14] <genii-around> Wouldn't you need a desktop up and running beforehand?
[02:15] <GeorgeIoak2> yes, it's at rc2, i'll post the script in a second
[02:16] <GeorgeIoak2> http://pastebin.com/guu4hiHn
[02:17] <GeorgeIoak2> hmm, i just noticed that Required Start and Stop are blank. On the debian system i was running a custom video player that wrote directly to the FB so it could launch right away
[02:20] <GeorgeIoak2> maybe i need to add $remote_fs t required start/stop
[02:21] <GeorgeIoak2> would i need another level or something else in there?
[02:22] <genii-around> I'm thinking that maybe you need instead an init.d that just starts X with user onq , then in onq's home directory your .xsession or so on starts the browser
[02:23] <GeorgeIoak2> it's going to be made into a kiosk so i'm looking for just a fast boot and straight into some local HTML pages
[02:24] <genii-around> Or instead of an init.d script an rc.local one, which runs after all the init/upstart is done
[02:25] <GeorgeIoak2> oh crap, i made that change and rebooted and now the system is hung and i don't think ssh is running
[02:26] <GeorgeIoak2> isn't it ctrl-alt-f12 to kill X?
[02:27] <genii-around> I think ctrl-alt-esc
[02:28] <GeorgeIoak2> no dice, big time crap...
[02:30] <genii-around> It used to be ctrl-alt-backspace but i think they did that !dontzap thing
[02:31] <GeorgeIoak2> i haven't found the magic key and it doesn't look like i can ssh in. any other ideas?
[02:33] <genii-around> Try right-hand ALT+PRINT SCREEN+ K
[02:34] <GeorgeIoak2> just booted off of a thumb drive, hopefully i can just rename the script file and reboot. if not i'll try that key combo
[02:35] <genii-around> I have to go, but hopefully someone may take up your issue.
[02:36] <GeorgeIoak2> thanks
[02:40] <GeorgeIoak2> ok, somehow something happened and now i can't boot. looks like it gets to the desktop but then only shows a static cursor in the upper left corner
[02:40] <GeorgeIoak2> can't seem to get to a console or kill X, if that's what's hanging
[02:41] <GeorgeIoak2> looks like it's X related because i can plug in a tumb drive and see the drive light blinking
[02:46] <GeorgeIoak2> what file do i need to edit to stop X from running on boot up so I can debug this? I can boot from the thumb drive and make the edit
[02:47] <GeorgeIoak2> is it in rc.local?
[03:02] <GeorgeIoak2> anyone got an idea on what I can do to get this system back? i think it might be because i used plymouth-manager to change the theme?
[03:15] <GeorgeIoak2> what do i change to boot into console so i can debug this system?
[04:27] <Jian> Hi guys quick (maybe) question about a bug i'm having
[04:28] <wxl> Jian: fire away
[04:29] <phillw> GeorgeIoak2: on boot from grub, you have the option to enter terminal mode (emergency / etc.) it is in amongst the do you want to do a RAM check. I suggest that you use that option.
[04:29] <Jian> every time i leave my computer alone and the screen turns off (when i move the mouse to bring it back i have to type in my password) when i return i am greeted by seemingly endless windows asking me to put in my wifi password that it should already know
[04:29] <Jian> and i'm asked to put it in every time my wifi disconnects (doesnt seem like much of an issue to me but might be related)
[04:29] <wxl> which lubnutu?
[04:30] <Jian> pretty sure its the newest one whats the quickest way to check?
[04:30] <wxl> lsb_release -a
[04:31] <Jian> ok i actually just had to reboot it cause of all the windows so hold on a few seconds
[04:31] <wxl> you should make sure that the connection is available to all users Jian
[04:31] <wxl> that's in the "edit connections" dialog
[04:31] <phillw> !grub2 | GeorgeIoak2
[04:32] <Jian> Yes it is available to all users and my version is 12.10 quantal
[04:32] <Jian> 32-bit
[04:33] <Jian> I also noticed that my settings in skype change when I reboot, maybe related?
[04:33] <wxl> possibly
[04:34] <wxl> here's a random thought-- what are the permissions and owner/group on your home folder? you can "ls -al /home | grep <your username here>" to figure it out
[04:35] <Jian> drwxr-xr-x 26 whatever that means lol
[04:35] <wxl> keep on going
[04:35] <Jian> rest of it is "josh josh 4096 feb 13 00:31 josh"
[04:35] <wxl> ok so
[04:36] <wxl> my perms are slightly different
[04:36] <wxl> more restrictive
[04:37] <Jian> so wouldn't that rule out permissions?
[04:37] <wxl> well makes me wonder
[04:37] <wxl> i would expect them to be pretty restrictive
[04:37] <wxl> it's good that you own your own folder :)
[04:38] <Jian> yeah idk i didnt modify anything that i know of :P
[04:38] <wxl> and they're not LESS restrictive which would certainly be bad
[04:38] <wxl> i'm on 12.04.2
[04:38] <wxl> phillw: you got a 12.10 around?
[04:39] <wxl> hm
[04:39] <wxl> there's this bug which may be related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/955463
[04:40] <Jian> ah that seems about right
[04:40] <Jian> any workarounds there?
[04:40] <phillw> wxl: yup, what do you need it for?
[04:40] <wxl> phillw: what are the perms on your home folder?
[04:41] <Unit193> drwxr-xr-x
[04:41] <wxl> ok well nevermind htat
[04:42] <phillw> wxl drwxr-xr-x 44 phillw phillw  4096 Feb 12 23:47 phillw
[04:42] <wxl> i'm drwx------ for some reason :)
[04:42] <phillw> yup, i concur
[04:42] <phillw> that could cause fun,... especially the last, extra x
[04:42] <wxl> uh, yep
[04:43] <Jian> on an unrelated note whats the difference between XTerm and UXTerm
[04:43] <wxl> unicode
[04:43] <Jian> which one should i normally use?
[04:43] <wxl> lxterminal XD
[04:44] <phillw> Jian: they are versions on term and the bug has been risen to remove them from options to save confusion :)
[04:44] <phillw> Ill go and remind the boss :D
[04:44] <wxl> so Jian if you look at (you'll need to sudo it) /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/<your SSID here> does everything look right?
[04:45] <Jian> what do you mean by 'look at' ?    "sudo /etc/..." is clearly not what im supposed to do :P
[04:46] <wxl> sudo cat or sudo more or sudo less or …
[04:46] <Jian> yes it looks fine the passkey is in there.
[04:47] <Jian> should i hibernate my computer and see if it forgets it again?
[04:47] <wxl> probably not
[04:47] <wxl> we haven't done anything
[04:47] <Jian> oh
[04:47] <Jian> ok
[04:48] <wxl> i'd probably remove it and start over
[04:48] <Jian> yeah but i mean to see if it changes the info from that command
[04:48] <Jian> you mean just like delete the connection?
[04:50] <GeorgeIoak2> i'm seeing some WARNING: gnome-keyring couldn't connect to: /run/user/onq/keyring.... no such file or directory when i start some apps from the command line
[04:51] <wxl> GeorgeIoak2: don't we all
[04:51] <GeorgeIoak2> wxl: you too
[04:52] <Hyuristyle> hey, i just installed Skype 4.1.0.20 on lubuntu 12.10 but the calls are mute and after i receive an incoming call it breaks. anyone know how to fix that?
[04:52] <wxl> GeorgeIoak2: ALL of us :)
[04:52] <Hyuristyle> (note: the call breaks, not the skype)
[04:53] <Jian> wxl removing the connection seems to have worked thanks
[04:54] <GeorgeIoak2> i was trying to run a script using init.d and it wasn't firing on startup. is update-rd not the way to do this anymore?
[04:54] <wxl> Jian: cool. if that pops up again for some reason, you might want to file a bug
[04:54] <Jian> okay
[04:55] <Hyuristyle> i can use ScreenShare normally, but not listen to incoming calls =/
[04:55] <wxl> Hyuristyle: sorry to be unhelpful but have you checked the skype wiki?
[04:56] <Hyuristyle> oh, sorry, i missed this!
[04:56] <Hyuristyle> will check now
[04:56] <wxl> !skype | Hyuristyle
[04:56] <wxl> well the first one should be useful :)
[04:56] <Hyuristyle> hoho, a bot, good
[04:56] <wxl> you can also try !ekiga to verify if you have a general voip issue or if your issue is with skype itself
[04:56] <Hyuristyle> thanks =D
[04:56] <wxl> !ekiga | Hyuristyle
[04:57] <wxl> hope it helps!
[04:57] <Jian> the second link mentions recording skype audio but what if i wanted to record video ;)
[04:57]  * wxl shrugs :)
[04:57] <Jian> nah jk i have a program for that already ;)
[04:58] <Hyuristyle> "...in Ubuntu until 9.10, Karmic Koala, when it was replaced by Empathy..."
[04:58] <Jian> ekiga is included you say?
[04:58] <Jian> ah
[04:58] <wxl> the bot is sort of ubuntu-neutral if you will :)
[04:58] <Jian> okay i dont have either of those things
[04:59] <wxl> like i'm sure it will say we have remina if i do this:
[04:59] <wxl> !vnc
[04:59] <wxl> oh surprise surprise it doesn't :)
[05:02] <Jian> !FreeNX
[05:03] <Jian> interesting
[05:03] <wxl> you can learn a lot from a bot
[05:04] <Jian> hahah indeed
[05:09] <Hyuristyle> wxl: do you know if Ekiga hahe some kind of "test call" function
[05:09] <Hyuristyle> have*
[05:09] <Hyuristyle> ?
[05:09] <hpuser4466> Lubuntu 12.04 full install.  How do I reboot into grub console?
[05:09] <wxl> well ekiga isn't a network like skype, Hyuristyle
[05:09] <wxl> i don't have my headset otherwise i'd offer
[05:09] <wxl> maybe tomorrow?
[05:10] <Hyuristyle> =)
[05:10] <hpuser4466> How do i interrupt lubuntu boot to access grub cmd line?
[05:10] <wxl> hpuser4466: one sec i'm trying to remembe the key
[05:11] <wxl> shift!
[05:11] <wxl> that's right
[05:11] <hpuser4466> uh huh.. thanks..updating bios
[05:13] <Hyuristyle> ooo, good... so, pressing shift on GRUB goes to cmd line?
[05:14] <wxl> nope pressing shift on start goes to grub menu
[05:14] <Hyuristyle> hum
[05:17] <hpuser4466> Cool. I successfully updated BIOS from grub menu with a little trickery.
[05:17] <wxl> do i read you right? you updated bios from grub? tell me more
[05:18] <hpuser4466> i used syslinux + Dell's biosdisk + grub
[05:19] <hpuser4466> setup a virtual floppy drive and installed the bios .exe file
[05:19] <hpuser4466> this is for dell. Don't know if it works on other pcs.
[05:20] <wxl> prolly not
[05:20] <hpuser4466> I had screen flicker.  Waiting to see if bios update fixed it.
[05:21] <hpuser4466> Good so far. No flicker.
[05:21] <hpuser4466> hmm and better framerate with GL
[05:22] <Unit193> I didn't even need syslinux, did it from the OS then rebooted. :D
[05:22] <hpuser4466> Unit193..ok..well if it works ;- )
[05:23] <hpuser4466> if i boot with kernel option "nomodeset" what happens?
[05:25] <hpuser4466> i don't notice any difference using nomodeset or not.
[05:25] <hpuser4466> bios update worked. Problem solved (it seems.)
[05:28] <Jian> whats a good resource for lubuntu themes
[05:28] <wxl> Jian: box look
[05:31] <Jian> what do i do if its not .obt but a folder instead?
[05:32] <wxl> Jian: put it in ~/.themes
[05:35] <hpuser4466> Tested again. Kernel options nomodeset and acpi=force give way better framerate with my radeon chipset
[05:35] <hpuser4466> approx 3x better
[05:36] <hpuser4466> I can say that's a success :- )
[05:40] <Jian> wxl what does the tilde represent
[05:42] <wxl> Jian: /home/josh = ~ for you
[05:42] <Jian> oh ok
[05:45] <Jian> all folders with a period as the first character of the filename are hidden aren't they?
[05:45] <wxl> yep
[05:45] <Jian> so i have to use terminal to copy my themes into there or is there a way to show them
[05:46] <wxl> there's a way
[05:47] <wxl> you just have to look carefully :)
[05:47] <wxl> click view in the pcmanfm menu
[05:47] <Jian> hahahaha oh i should probably look at these kinds of things :P
[05:52] <Jian> bye wxl nice meeting you thanks for the help
[05:52] <wxl> np be well Jian
[06:03] <Captain> Hi guys !
[06:03] <Captain> Need some help about Lubuntu settings...
[06:04] <Captain> I would like to change the color of the menu (popup, main menu) but I really don't see how to do this...
[06:04] <Captain> Any idea ?
[06:05] <Captain> I set up compiz as my windows manager and I have emerald installed...
[06:19] <hpuser4466> My LCD screen dims briefly every so often.  Not so bad after a bios update.  Any ideas?
[06:20] <hpuser4466> Screen dims for a split second then back normal again.
[06:21] <hpuser4466> Dell Inspiron D600
[06:33] <hpuser4466> Also screen resolution setting isn't staying persistant after a reboot with nomodeset in grub.
[07:27] <agura> I am new to lubuntu having problems with prelude-manager.  When I shut the computer down it tells me that prelude-manager is disabled, and I should adjust config. However when in put in the command 'config' I get a suggestion of several different commands: fconfig, zconfig, vconfig and mconfig and none seems connocted to prelude-manager.  My overall goal is to get snort working and all my problems seem related to that.
[11:03] <Buzzby> Can anyone help me get sound workin in Lubuntu, please?  Profiler says my sound is  ICH - SiS SI7012
[11:12] <Buzzby> Is anyone here?
[11:13] <Buzzby> brb I wanna reboot.
[13:41] <redtape-renegade> Hi there .. there is meeting tonight at 8pm to 9pm UTC on #ubuntu-meeting although the last *agenda* was set on July 12th 2012 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/cyberdruifATgmail.com.png
[13:43] <redtape-renegade> Unit 193, Is anyone going to be present for this ??
[13:43] <redtape-renegade> Thought I'd ask as you are a moderator on the channel.
[15:09] <pPillow> Bonjour tut le monde
[15:09] <pPillow> Y a-t-il quelqu'un ici parlant français et pouvant m'aider car je ne peux dépasser la version 12.04de Lubuntu (ni en mise à niveauni en installation CD)
[15:11] <pPillow> à chaque fois je termine par un écran noir au démarrage,la touche maj m'affihe le grub mais je ne peux aller plus loin ((sauf chosir une version plus ancienne)
[15:13] <pPillow> Personne ? dommage et merci.
[15:16] <hateball> !fr | pPillow
[15:35] <pPillow> Merci Bye
[16:40] <Josssse> Hello guys. Is there a way I can gvfs-open article.pdf such that it doesn't come back to the front? I looked unsuccesfully for options in the gvfs-open manpage.
[17:07] <michel__> what does chmod do?
[17:20] <genii-around> micahg_: chmod is the command which lets you alter the read/write/execute permissions of a file or directory
[17:22]  * genii-around sips more coffee and makes a note to always doublecheck the tab-complete
[17:53] <mateobur> Hello
[18:05] <GeorgeIoak2> i've written my own udev rule for when a usb drive get's plugged in but lubuntu is still mounting the drive even though all the options in pcmanfm->preferences->volume management are not checked
[18:05] <GeorgeIoak2> i don't see any other udev rules so where else could it be that is mounting the usb drive?
[18:35] <GeorgeIoak2> anyone know what's being called when the system is auto mounting usb drives?
[18:35] <bennypr0fane> hello, I was trying to activate an Nvidia graphics driver from Jockey, but I get an error saying: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid" See my xorg.conf here: http://pastie.org/6155231 I can't tell what the problem is, looks ok to me
[18:36] <bennypr0fane> GeorgeIoak2 maybe mount?
[18:36] <bennypr0fane> it'd have to be a service, right?
[18:37] <GeorgeIoak2>  but i'm trying to find what is causing the system to automount drives so i can run my own udev rule
[18:38] <bennypr0fane> fstab is where stuff is mounted permanently
[18:38] <bennypr0fane> /etc/fstab
[18:39] <GeorgeIoak2> it's jst that in pcmanfm there's settings to tell it not to mount drives but now that i write this i guess that's not for the system
[18:39] <bennypr0fane> you done some googling? fstab, mount, media, are the keywords come to my mind
[18:40] <bennypr0fane> so you want them to NOT automount?
[18:40] <GeorgeIoak2> correct, i don't want the usb drive to auto mount so my udev runs which mounts it, copies some files and then amounts the drive
[18:41] <bennypr0fane> try take a look https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[18:42] <bennypr0fane> (dude why are those httpS ?)
[18:42] <GeorgeIoak2> bennypr0fane: thanks, i'll look at fstab
[18:43] <bennypr0fane> would you wnat that udev rule to be permament? i.e. persistent across reboots?
[18:44] <bennypr0fane> I don't suppose you speak/read German? http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/udev
[18:44] <GeorgeIoak2> any chance anyone knows how to get the midori browser to run in fullscreen? my script launches it with "midori -e Fullscreen &" but it seems like that switch is a toggle so 1 time it's FS, the next time it's window
[18:44] <bennypr0fane> F11?
[18:45] <GeorgeIoak2> bennypr0fane: yes, permanent, i placed my UDEV rule in /etc/udev/rules.d
[18:45] <GeorgeIoak2> but it needs to always automatically go FS, it's for a kiosk
[18:46] <bennypr0fane> this looks interesting too: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1644/mounting-a-usb-disk-in-a-permanent-location
[18:46] <GeorgeIoak2> i tried chromium-browser with --kiosk but it had some odd errors that i saw others had so i switched to midori
[18:47] <bennypr0fane> what's a kiosk?
[18:47] <GeorgeIoak2> a system in a store for customers to watch demos
[18:48] <bennypr0fane> I don't use Midori anymore, used to keep crashing for no reason
[18:49] <bennypr0fane> tried anything else, or you definitely settled on midori?
[18:50] <GeorgeIoak2> no, don't really care, as long as it can play html5 videos and always go fs and somewhat lock the user out
[18:50] <bennypr0fane> SRware Iron is a de-googlified version of Chromium - nice and light, but might have the same bugs
[18:50] <bennypr0fane> I believe Opera should a great choice for that, as long as you make sure your desired website likes it
[18:51] <GeorgeIoak2> haven't tried opera on lubuntu but was going to be my 3rd choice
[18:52] <bennypr0fane> it's more stable than Midori and html5 support is definitely given, can't say anything about its *quality* though
[18:52] <bennypr0fane> Fullscreen launch should be a breeze
[18:53] <GeorgeIoak2> that's what i thought but nothing but troubles on such assummed to be simple stuff
[18:53] <bennypr0fane> and they have been pointing to the fact of focussing on html5 support in past releases, like advertising pure-html5 games that run smoothly in Opera and such
[18:54] <bennypr0fane> hahha
[18:54] <bennypr0fane> you're right
[18:55] <bennypr0fane> you can tell I'm kindof a fan of Opera, but it doesn't play nice with some sites, and it sorta stronlgy dislikes flash video
[18:56] <GeorgeIoak2> seems stupid but if i just go into the menus of midori and turn menus and stuff off, go full screen, then close it the next time it opens like that. if you give the "-e Fullscreen" it definitely toggles FS mode and doesn't accept a 0/1 option
[18:56] <GeorgeIoak2> yeah, opera on my phone seemed nice
[18:57] <bennypr0fane> android?
[18:57] <GeorgeIoak2> yep
[18:57] <bennypr0fane> I believe that would be Java then
[19:07] <GeorgeIoak2> how about a way to turn off the mouse pointer? the system has a touch screen so I don't want a pointer on the screen
[19:09] <bennypr0fane> there's an IRC channel on opera.net #opera
[19:09] <Burnsworthy> Hi #lubuntu, I'm having some installation problems with 12.04 on an older machine. Is there anyone around who wouldn't mind lending a hand?
[19:10] <bennypr0fane> they should be able to tell you more
[19:10] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy be more specific, then you'll see ;-)
[19:10] <krilkov> Help? I lost my task bar thing in lubuntu, how can I get it back?
[19:11] <GeorgeIoak2> yeah, i'm on midori now and asked the question there. seems like the config file for midori tackles things a little differently so that might work
[19:12] <susr_> sorry. Lost my task bar at the bottom of Lubuntu. Was there a reply to that answer?
[19:14] <Burnsworthy> Ok, to specify - I'm installing the iso onto a flash drive with linuxlive, and attempting to boot from it. However, when I do this, immediately after the various BIOS screens, at the point where the installation menu should be appearing, I'm instead getting a 'line' of moving underscores travelling across the bottom of my screen, occassionally interspered with fast moving 'smiley faces' travelling up the way. (At least, that's w
[19:14] <Burnsworthy> these continues indefinately.
[19:14] <Burnsworthy> *these continue indefinately, as far as I can tell.
[19:15] <Burnsworthy> I've installed ubuntu 10.04 on my netbook before with no problems, and I'm following the same process for this install.
[19:17] <bennypr0fane> krilkov are you susr_ or you just happen to have the exact same question?
[19:18] <bennypr0fane> I believ LXpanel is the name of what you're looking for
[19:19] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy that sounds really weird
[19:19] <Burnsworthy> Just what I didn't want to hear... Haha.
[19:19] <bennypr0fane> maybe you used a diffrerent version of Linuxlive to mount the image last time
[19:20] <bennypr0fane> ?
[19:20] <GeorgeIoak2> freenode hung up on me
[19:20] <bennypr0fane> wow, never happened to me before
[19:20] <wxl> susr_: did you get an answer?
[19:21] <Burnsworthy> All that updated this time I used it was the compatability list, and that didn't contain any of the distro's I've been trying to install.
[19:22] <bennypr0fane> that's in Windows, right? You on Windows right now?
[19:23] <GeorgeIoak2> no, this is on a mac (my irc)
[19:23] <GeorgeIoak2> just using web chat.freenode.net
[19:24] <bennypr0fane> No, I was asking Burnsworthy: (1. are you on windows and 2.) did you use the newest version of LiLi, or the same one as before with Ubuntu 10.04?
[19:24] <GeorgeIoak2> looking at this page, https://github.com/MobilityLab/TransitScreen/wiki/Raspberry-Pi (not running a RPi but it's interesting for what I want to do
[19:25] <bennypr0fane> ...except the RPi takes roughly half a year to ship
[19:25] <Burnsworthy> I'm currently on the pc I'm trying to update to ubuntu, running XP. The pc I'm using for LiLi is Vista. I also have a netbook running Ubuntu 10.04 however, should I try making a boot drive from there?
[19:25] <Burnsworthy> And yes, I believe so. I'll check, one moment.
[19:27] <Burnsworthy> LiLi updated to 2.8 when I opened it today. The last time I used it was the latest release at that time, which was a few months ago.
[19:27] <bennypr0fane> I trust Linux more for this kind of task (like creating a boot medium), it just seems to screw up less. LiLi is only for Win I believe. In Ubuntu, you could use Unetbootin
[19:28] <Burnsworthy> Yeah, I'm fairly sure I've got that on there. I'll give it a go.
[19:30] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy my checklist would be: 1.) is the downloaded iso ok? (md5sum it or such) 2.) after creating the boot medium, check its integrity - all Ubuntu installers should have an option for that on the first screen 3.) you never get to that screen, make sure you booted from that flash drive and not sth else
[19:32] <Burnsworthy> LiLi tells me it's ok when I attempt to load it for creating a boot drive. 2: N/A. 3. I'm definately booting from the flash - I've gone via BIOS boot order, and using wubi.exe on the drive itself.
[19:32] <bennypr0fane> 4.) maybe the iso you used is hybrid and already contained a bootloader. then I don't know if LiLi or Unetbootin handle it correctly because they would add the bootloader to the drive by default
[19:32] <Burnsworthy> Could LiLi be giving a false positive then?
[19:33] <bennypr0fane> oops, wubi.exe could be not the best way to go
[19:34] <Burnsworthy> 4. Possibly. It's the iso directly from the lubuntu site, if that makes any difference.
[19:35] <Burnsworthy> No? What should I be doing instead? Not including changing the boot order, of course.
[19:36] <bennypr0fane> ad 4.) if the Lubuntu installation instruction tell you to use a program like LiLi or Unetbootin for mounting the iso, then it's not bootable (not hybrid) and you should be fine.
[19:37] <bennypr0fane> iirc, wubi.exe is for installing Ubuntu straight out of windows, right? without the need to create a separate installation medium/boot from it
[19:37] <bennypr0fane> but last/first time I tried using it is loooong ago
[19:38] <bennypr0fane> it failed and I was discouraged from using it
[19:39] <Burnsworthy> Yeah, that's correct. I booted straight from bios last time, so I never had to deal with it.
[19:39] <bennypr0fane> so what, you tried to mount the wubi.exe to the flash drive and tried to boot that?
[19:39] <bennypr0fane> bcs I think it's not meant for that. Wouldn't surprise me if it gives you a funny result
[19:42] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy are you trying to install Lubuntu or Ubuntu?
[19:43] <Burnsworthy> No, definately not. I used LiLi to extract the downloaded iso onto the drive, which included wubi.exe. I'm just reformatting the flash in preparation for using my netbook. I'm trying to install Lubuntu.
[19:44] <Burnsworthy> When I tried to install Ubuntu 12.10 previously, I got the same error. I assumed it was due to this pc only having 256mb of RAM. Evidently not...
[19:44] <Burnsworthy> Hence the attempt to use Lubuntu, since it seems to have been built for that sort of thing.
[19:46] <bennypr0fane> where'd you download that iso? what's the filename?
[19:49] <Burnsworthy> Straight from the lubuntu section of the Ubuntu main site. The filename is lubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386
[19:49] <Burnsworthy> .iso
[19:51] <bennypr0fane> something's messed up here. 1.) wubi is not for Lubuntu and 2.) that file is not wubi
[19:51] <bennypr0fane> post the link where you downloaded it?
[19:52] <Burnsworthy> Will do. one second.
[19:53] <Burnsworthy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.10/release/lubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso
[19:53] <Burnsworthy> that link's straight from lubuntu.net
[19:54] <Burnsworthy> Could it be LiLi thats adding in wubi in some way?
[19:55] <bennypr0fane> What makes you think Wubi is anywhere in the process?
[19:55] <bennypr0fane> you downloaded from this site? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[19:58] <bennypr0fane> If you did (and also if you didn't), read from top to bottom. it also includes the information that 256 ram is probably too little and you should download the alternate installer instead of the desktop one
[19:59] <Burnsworthy> Because it appears on the boot usb. Not from that, from lubuntu.net, which has the link I posted on the front page. However, I assumed that that meant simply that I should boot from BIOS. I'll look into that though.#
[20:02] <Burnsworthy> Hm. Yeah, I see now. That was a daft mistake...
[20:02] <Burnsworthy> Thanks for all your help. I'll be back if I have any more problems.
[20:02] <bennypr0fane> good luck
[20:03] <Burnsworthy> Thanks again.
[20:03] <bennypr0fane> no problem
[20:05] <redtape-renegade> bennypr0fane:  Hi there .. there is meeting tonight at 8pm to 9pm UTC on #ubuntu-meeting although the last *agenda* was set on July 12th 2012 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/cyberdruifATgmail.com.png
[20:06] <redtape-renegade> Is anyone going to be present for this ??
[20:06] <bennypr0fane> redtape-renegade what kind of a meeting is that?
[20:07] <redtape-renegade> I think it's just a Lubuntu -general update-meetiing
[20:07] <bennypr0fane> looks like "Lubuntu-team"meeting
[20:07] <bennypr0fane> not me...
[20:08] <redtape-renegade> oh Ok .. Thanx .. I'll be sure to let others know.
[20:09] <Burnsworthy> Hm. Now I'm having trouble with the boot usb. Trying to access it gets me a lovely error...
[20:10] <bennypr0fane> big one? paste to pastebin.com small one? post it here
[20:11] <Burnsworthy> How big is big? It's a couple of lines.
[20:12] <bennypr0fane> 2-3 is ok for in-chat. more should go pastebin
[20:12] <bennypr0fane> btw here's a more detailed set of instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStickQuick
[20:14] <Burnsworthy> Just to be sure: http://pastebin.com/AiWCifJD
[20:14] <bennypr0fane> I've had faulty boot drives resulting from directly overwriting a ready one, so now I always completley reformat the flash drive before mounting the iso
[20:15] <bennypr0fane> sorry I don't know what that means. at what point do you get the error? which application gives it?
[20:16] <Burnsworthy> Yeah, I've been doing that as well. The only time I didn't was on the first try, where I had a lot of data on the drive already. I transferred it all to an external before the second go though.
[20:16] <Burnsworthy> Whenever I try to open the disk or do anything to it (inc format) when using ubuntu 10.04. It seems to be working fine on vista.
[20:17] <Burnsworthy> Then again, I need to use linux in order to install the iso...
[20:18] <bennypr0fane> so, what, the file manager gives you this error when you try to open the flash drive?
[20:19] <bennypr0fane> It's not said that you *need* to use Linux for it. I only meant I've been finding it more reliable
[20:19] <Burnsworthy> Yep. Nothing happens if I try to open from the home screen, anything else: that.
[20:19] <bennypr0fane> ah, now I remmebered no5 on my personal checklist: try a different flash drive. maybe this one's just broken
[20:20] <Burnsworthy> That's true enough. And we've established I've been using the wrong iso anyway, so I'll give it another go with LiLi.
[20:20] <bennypr0fane> (btw checklist not necessarily in that order)
[20:20] <bennypr0fane> LiLi, and the alternate iso, and another flash drive if you have one
[20:21] <bennypr0fane> or any combination of these alternatives :-D
[20:21] <Burnsworthy> My other flashes are either broken, too small, or inaccessible due to distance right now...
[20:21] <bennypr0fane> trial and error is tough on the nerves, but we have nothing better...
[20:22] <bennypr0fane> ah, and another one for the list: are you sure your PC supports booting from USB?
[20:23] <Burnsworthy> Yep. I'm kept going by the fact I haven't been forced back to dvds yet. They're either scratched or contain useless backup files that I shouldn't get rid of.
[20:23] <Burnsworthy> Yes, as it appears as an option in the BIOS
[20:23] <bennypr0fane> well then try LiLi, new iso, this flash drive
[20:23] <bennypr0fane> don't forget to reformat
[20:24] <Burnsworthy> I mean, how scratched can a bunch of disks get - I haven't moved them for 6 years...
[20:24] <bennypr0fane> all else fails, you may just have to resort to a cd
[20:24] <bennypr0fane> maybe they were broken from the start
[20:24] <Burnsworthy> I dread to think...
[20:24] <Burnsworthy> Possibly, aye
[20:30] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy your 10.04 is still working normally? Internet is up and everything? If so, consider this: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-12-04-from-ubuntu-10-04-via-the-terminal/
[20:31] <bennypr0fane> official instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades
[20:40] <bennypr0fane> hello, I was trying to activate an Nvidia graphics driver from Jockey, but I get an error saying: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid" See my xorg.conf here: http://pastie.org/6155231 I can't tell what the problem is, looks ok to me
[20:41] <Burnsworthy> Yep, 10.04 is still working fine - I'm using it right now. I'd upgrade, but 10.04 works fine, and I'm fairly sure 12.04 will be incompatible until I upgrade the hardware. It's XP I'm looking to install lubuntu on however, otherwise I likely wouldn't be here, haha.
[20:47] <bennypr0fane> your 10.04 is Ubuntu, and you want 12.04 to be Lubuntu, yes?
[20:47] <Burnsworthy> Yep. 2 different pcs.
[20:49] <bennypr0fane> oh, your leaving the 10.04 alone, and 12.04 goes on the other machine
[20:49] <bennypr0fane> yes?
[20:49] <Burnsworthy> Correct
[20:51] <bennypr0fane> btw even for Lubuntu 256mb seems very little to me
[20:52] <bennypr0fane> Bodhi linux is pretty much the lightest distro I know with a full desktop environment (E17), but that takes a little getting used to. It's Ubuntu based though
[20:55] <Burnsworthy> Yeah, it's certainly at the lower end. I've heard it will run alright however - I might have a look at Bohdi though, thanks for the tip.
[20:55] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i have a question any ideas
[20:57] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i need to get adobe after effects or an equivalent program on lubuntu
[20:58] <Burnsworthy> Trying to use the alternate iso with LiLi - it's not on the compatibility list, it's going to try and use the same install parameters as for 'Regular Linux'
[20:59] <Burnsworthy> Do you think that will be acceptable? I'll give it a go anyway, see what happens.
[21:00] <Ez0v3rR1d3> how can i get adobe after effects to work or what is a good choice
[21:05] <Burnsworthy> I haven't used adobe AE before, but looking at a summary of it, I'm concerned that if you're having to run lubuntu, then your hardware won't be cut out for adobe after effects. However I'm neither a lubuntu expert, nor an AE user, so apply salt as nescessary.
[21:05] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy LiLi should have an option to make it use an iso of your choice. Just point it to your iso and the correct location of your flash drive and you shuold be fine
[21:05] <bennypr0fane> Ez0v3rR1d3 what is adobe AE for?
[21:06] <Burnsworthy> That's what I did. The iso isn't in the compatibility list within LiLi, so it's mounting it as if it were standard linux.
[21:06] <Ez0v3rR1d3> i make movies and had ae for my video editing and stuff but when i switched with linux i lost everything and just now starting over
[21:06] <bennypr0fane> sounds alright
[21:07] <bennypr0fane> ...@Burnsworthy
[21:08] <Burnsworthy> @bennypr0fane Oops, sorry. Thanks for the tip.
[21:08] <Burnsworthy> Oh. Well, that was embarrassing. Let me just go and test my boot usb.
[21:08] <bennypr0fane> Ez0v3rR1d3 don't really know about video editing. maybe you should find a more specialised channel
[21:08] <bennypr0fane> Burnsworthy what tip?
[21:09] <Ez0v3rR1d3> any idea on better channel #lubuntu not sure #ubuntu the same response
[21:23] <Kuroda_Shun> whats the best way to join windows shares to grep log files
[21:35] <GeorgeIoak2> can't find where the system has set to auto mount usb thumb drives, it isn't in fstab
[21:39] <wxl> GeorgeIoak2: yeah that's kind of funky unfortunately
[21:40] <wxl> GeorgeIoak2: try looking in ~/.gvfs or /media
[21:45] <Burnsworthy> Great success. I burned the iso direct to a dvd with an external dvd drive. It's now merrily checking memory pre-install. Thanks for all your help
[21:48] <wxl> Kuroda_Shun: you want to do what now?
[21:52] <Kuroda_Shun> i want to grep log files from several different servers throughout my day... but dont know how to get to the window shares
[21:54] <Kuroda_Shun> i just changed my work laptop to lubunti. I use to be able to rdesktop to a server and map a tsclient when i did,,, now it doesn't work.. what am I missing
[21:54] <Kuroda_Shun> *lubuntu
[21:55] <Unit193> Kuroda_Shun: I recommend you use xfreerdp, works better than rdesktop.  Can also use remmina for a gui frontend to it.  I don't know what your problem may be, but's the output if you run rdesktop from the terminal?
[22:00] <wxl> you could mount the shares on samba too but that may be more work than what you want to do
[22:00] <Kuroda_Shun> i have like 30 rdesktop scripts. i like working in a shell all day so I dont want a gui to poke through. I liked remmina but too much setup,,
[22:00] <Unit193> Ah, understandable.
[22:01] <Kuroda_Shun> i have my main log server mapped.. but i would like to be able to his a share without editing a file
[22:01] <Kuroda_Shun> and adding a name/ip
[22:01] <wxl> i'm having trouble grokking what you're saying
[22:02] <Kuroda_Shun> i would prefer having my tsclient working again more than hitting shares,, I also work from a windows machine so i can wait to grep logs from these servers
[22:03] <wxl> wll i geuss that's an rdesktop question; wish i could be of more help
[22:03] <Kuroda_Shun> no worries.. im missing something simple im sure
[22:03] <Kuroda_Shun> just a new setup... taking time to work out exactly what I want...
[22:33] <jusr> where can I find a good command line resource, one that would be useful for begginers?
[22:34] <wxl> oh hm
[22:34] <genii-around> !cli
[22:34] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandLineResources
[22:36] <jusr> in lubuntu, how can I put the command line terminal on the panel?
[22:37] <wxl> jusr: right click on the part of the panel that has all the apps and click application launch bar. then under accessories, select lxterminal and click add and close and you're good
[22:40] <jusr> Thank you!
[22:40] <wxl> np
[22:40] <wxl> let me know if you need further help
[22:41] <wxl> or more specific issues with bash
[22:41] <jusr> Trying to hold back on this untill the kids are gone so I can focus. Thanks again
[22:41] <wxl> np
[22:53] <redtape-renegade> !shutter
[22:54] <redtape-renegade> !Shutter
[22:54] <redtape-renegade> !vlc
[22:55] <redtape-renegade> !codecs
[23:10] <bulletrulz> hey guys i have a problem with plank
[23:11] <wxl> bulletrulz: considering this is not part of lubuntu have you thoguht of asking #plank ?
[23:12] <bulletrulz> wxl, yeah i have but they didnt awnser
[23:13] <wxl> bulletrulz: well i don't use it and it's a crap shoot as to whether or not anyone else here does. you may have better luck on #ubuntu. the general rule on irc though is to be patient and your answer will come.
[23:13] <wxl> bulletrulz: …especially if you ask the right people (like the channel that specifically deals with that thing)
[23:14] <wxl> bulletrulz: that being said you're welcome to ask
[23:39] <Inferis> Power manager reccomendation for lxde?