[00:03] <yofel> uh... I think Martin said it uses a lot less hacks to make it work and is supposed to be easier to maintain (I'm starting to doube the latter)
[00:03] <yofel> *doubt
[00:05] <penguin42> yeh I wish it would settle out already
[00:35] <SuperLag> When you're running a pre-release version, is it safe to just update and continue using that once the stable packages come out? or is it recommend that you do a clean install from media?
[00:38] <penguin42> normally safe to keep up dating
[00:38] <penguin42> you'll sometimes get a few things that haven't quite sorted themselves out; maybe extra packages that wouldn't have been installed or very occasional cleanups that were only added in later
[00:52] <SuperLag> is that stuff that would be fixed by an autoremove?
[00:52] <genii-around> Your mileage may vary
[00:57] <SuperLag> genii-around: annnnnnd.... what kind of mileage have you gotten with that kind of approach? Do you typically do a clean install on new releases?
[00:58] <penguin42> SuperLag: It's generally OK, but for example I remember a few releases back there was a package that was in by default in early releases, but just wasn't a required later on - I don't think it ever got autoremoved etc
[00:58] <penguin42> (it was also a real pain of a package - hence why it stopped being needed)
[00:58] <penguin42> but it's rare
[01:01] <SuperLag> Okay. Good to know.
[01:02] <SuperLag> I just haven't got situated in a way, yet, to where I've got all of my personalizations easy to redo on a new install.
[01:02] <genii-around> SuperLag: I have a testing partition where when a new release is in development, I copy my current working release and then continuously upgrade that. If I have a horrible fail I fall back to the working release.
[01:02] <genii-around> I did continuous upgrades from 6.06 to 12.04 this way
[01:03] <SuperLag> how many "horrible fail" experiences did you have?
[01:03] <genii-around> 7 or 8
[01:03] <penguin42> nothing that couldn't be fixed by a couple of hours of screaming at it and hitting dpkg hard
[01:04] <SuperLag> genii-around: ouch.
[01:07] <SuperLag> Are the rumors of a rolling release credible?
[01:07] <genii-around> KDE 3.5->4.0 was a terrible time for me...
[01:07] <SuperLag> or should I just put that idea out of my mind now? :)
[01:09] <genii-around> Maybe ask sabdfl when he does his next Q&A
[01:09] <genii-around> I don't think anyone knows for sure right now.
[01:14] <SuperLag> genii-around: do you like the idea?
[01:16] <genii-around> SuperLag: Not particularly. I think it makes it more difficult to troubleshoot when you are trying to assist users.
[01:19] <genii-around> If they are only using some PPA for instance that just installed a new package, that's easier to track down as an issue because you know all the other stuff is stable versions from standard repositories, etc
[01:40] <johnjohn101> libreoffice 4.0 shipping with the next ubuntu?
[01:41] <Pici> !info libreoffice
[01:41] <Pici> hrm
[01:41] <johnjohn101> is it too late to get it in?
[01:41]  * penguin42 would also like to know if that's going to happen; it would be nice - but I can imagine possibly a lot of work/too late - don't know
[01:42] <johnjohn101> crazy, said plenty of unity integration on the comments
[01:44] <penguin42> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases   well looks like someone is working on it
[01:44] <johnjohn101> says there are deb package on the download site
[01:46] <johnjohn101> well says on this site that it will be the default for 13.04 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/libreoffice-hits-4-0-adds-unity-integration-persona-theming
[01:47] <johnjohn101> still a number of weeks till 13.04 is released. i'll look for it then
[04:37] <SuperLag> If you have to reinstall... do you guys have any advice on how to do a faster post-install configuration? (your favorite apps, custom configuration, ssh keys... etc.)
[09:22] <carli2> where is that multitouch support i saw in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vp8_jetKEu8
[09:22] <carli2> I'm using the wetab and ubuntu does not react to my touch gestures
[09:28] <carli2> lol apport crashes when trying to report a crash in apport
[09:49] <rmi> Hi. I'm havin a minor problem with Raring. On my Thinkpad X230, I cannot adjust the brightness using the keyboard-keys. The UI pops up, but I can't get the slider down. Surprisingly, I can change it in the system settings quite well. Any ideas for a fix?
[09:55] <rmi> oh, okay, this seems to be exactly the same bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1121951
[09:56] <rmi> But no solution.
[09:56] <carli2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vp8_jetKEu8 <- this does not work on my ringtail
[09:56] <carli2> is it fake?
[09:57] <carli2> or do i need an extra package?
[10:12] <carli2> btw https://plus.google.com/109111823024526116254/posts/AdfinBEPwPt
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:25] <PrincessLuna> Hi  Intel Centrino 2230 Wifi, isn't working in Kubuntu 13.04
[13:44] <ikonia> PrincessLuna: what have you dont to debug it ?
[13:46] <PrincessLuna> ikonia: Nothing much, I only used the liveusb for a couple of minutes. I tried iwlist scan
[13:47] <ikonia> ok....so why are you using a development release and complaining it's not working without any debugging
[13:48] <ikonia> the point of using it is to find problems, get info and get any genuine problems logged with valid ingo
[13:48] <ikonia> ifo
[13:48] <ikonia> oops, info
[13:50] <PrincessLuna> ikonia: I have the intention of debugging it in the future. Its a new laptop I was testing. I don't have time for debugging it just right now. I am not complaining and I regularly test Kubuntu development releases for bug triage
[13:50] <ikonia> ok, so why are you saying it doesn't work
[13:50] <ikonia> debug it, find if it's a genuine issue, report the problem
[13:51] <PrincessLuna> ikonia: Because the system detects no wireless card
[13:51] <ikonia> so ?
[13:51] <ikonia> you've not debugged it
[13:52] <PrincessLuna> So I was saying it doesn't work. In case someone on the channel experienced a similar issue or knew of a workaround, or has already debugged it, they could provide some insight. That is the only reason I asked
[18:40] <smallfoot-> I do; gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences mouse-button-modifier '<Super>'
[18:40] <smallfoot-> then when I restart, it forgot that, and it still use Alt to move windows
[18:51] <jbicha> smallfoot-: what distro?
[19:05] <smallfoot-> 13.04 raring ringtail
[19:05] <smallfoot-> with gnome-session-fallback as desktop
[19:05] <smallfoot-> jbicha, which uses compiz as wm
[19:13] <jbicha> smallfoot-: ok Ubuntu ships a gsettings override to use Alt by default since that's what Linux users are used to
[19:14] <jbicha> I think there is a compiz bug where gsettings changes aren't "sticking", I don't know if that's been fixed yet and I don't remember the bug # offhand
[19:15] <smallfoot-> jbicha, the problem with using Alt is that it collides with many applications and games which renders them unable to be used, example Blender, Tibia, etc
[21:27] <smallfoot-> why isnt qt5 in ubuntu?
[21:28] <genii-around> I would suspect probably because the Qt and *buntu release schedules don't mesh well
[21:29] <smallfoot-> i suppose they could just package it and ship qt5 alongside qt4
[21:29] <smallfoot-> just package it and put it in repo now
[21:29] <IdleOne> go ahead
[21:43] <penguin42> smallfoot-: You mean like https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/raring-changes/2013-February/006042.html?
[21:44] <smallfoot-> yeah
[21:44] <smallfoot-> but whole qt5-* not just webkit
[21:44] <penguin42> yeh, I don't know where it's actually up to, but I guess it means it's getting somewhere
[21:45] <penguin42> also qtbase and qtdelcarative in that list
[21:46] <penguin42> and that was today, so it looks promising
[22:04] <smallfoot-> com.ubuntu.geoip geoip-url 'http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup'
[22:04] <smallfoot-> from gsetting
[22:04] <smallfoot-> please fetch that over https
[22:20] <ironhalik> my synaptics palmdetection sucks
[23:25] <penguin42> smallfoot-: You'll need to put a bug into launchpad to get it changed; but I'd have to ask why; are you worried about the information going out or coming back?
[23:26] <penguin42> smallfoot-: The geoip information is available to anyone who had your IP address and your IP address is there even if ssl is used, so what advantage is there of using https?
[23:27] <smallfoot-> penguin42, idk
[23:27] <smallfoot-> penguin42, idk even what package to file against
[23:27] <penguin42> smallfoot-: Where did you find that line?
[23:28] <smallfoot-> in gsettings
[23:28] <smallfoot-> but gsettings just store configs
[23:28] <penguin42> geoclue-ubuntu-geoip  perhaps?
[23:29] <penguin42> smallfoot-: But I think if you file it people would ask the same question as I did; why use https?
[23:31] <smallfoot-> idk, i just think everything should go over https
[23:31] <smallfoot-> prevents someone from returning a false value, which would mess up my geo data
[23:31] <smallfoot-> if im from germany and they return turkey
[23:32] <penguin42> smallfoot-: true; although the geoip things are only hints, they're quite frequently completely wrong
[23:34] <penguin42> it's about 70miles out for me here, and at work it's normally the wrong country
[23:38] <smallfoot-> console.log(a[b]['c']); // ['c'] is better written in dot notation.
[23:38] <smallfoot-> how would I write that in dot notation?
[23:40] <smallfoot-> oops, ww