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* cjwatson apologies profusely for kubuntu.precise r1164 and xubuntu.precise r90600:46
cjwatsonGrossly unpleasant hacks that they are - but we should be able to get rid of those for .300:46
cjwatsonOK, respinning Ubuntu alternate (for bug 1122525) and Kubuntu and Xubuntu alternates (for bug 1123379)00:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 1122525 in ltsp (Ubuntu Precise) " ltsp-build-client build ltsp chroot failed : Unable to locate package linux-image-generic" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112252500:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 1123379 in Ubuntu CD Images "Kubuntu alternate install 12.04.2 2013_02_11 AMD 64 bit cannot find/load kernel modules" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112337900:50
cjwatsonHopefully those are the last respins00:51
cjwatsonShould deal with Xubuntu alternate amd64's oversizedness too00:55
cjwatsonI thought cdimage had run out of ways to surprise me02:19
cjwatsonBut now the Kubuntu images (at least) have nic-modules-* and others apparently without a Priority field02:19
* cjwatson fixes, I think02:41
cjwatsonWill need a couple of publication cycles, so I'll probably go for a nap before it's finished02:44
cjwatson(Hence, tangentially, the copy of refit to precise-updates that some may have noticed on -changes.)02:54
cjwatsonRight, repeating all the earlier respins03:53
cjwatson(Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu alternate)03:53
cjwatsonThose dailies are looking more plausible now.  Bed.04:30
plarscjwatson: took a quick look at the new alternate images and on a physical machine, they install and desktop comes up fine, though it's telling me I have incomplete language support.  I've never had a clear answer on whether this is expected to be the case or not, but considering it had full access to download whatever it needed during the install I would think it shouldn't need to get more english language packs after install05:06
plarslet me know what you think on that...05:06
plarsbut under virtualbox it has the same problems I mentioned earlier in bug# 112207205:06
plarsbug #112207205:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 1122072 in libpciaccess (Ubuntu Precise) "[Precise on VirtualBox] "Fatal server error: no screen found" in Xorg.0.log" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112207205:06
skaetslangasek,  have removed Edubuntu from Alpha 2 manifest per email from highvoltage.   Added Ubuntu Cloud images to the manifest per IRC from smoser.05:24
slangasekhuh, ok05:26
slangasekswitching the cron around05:26
slangasekubuntu-server disabled in cron, edubuntu re-enabled05:27
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cjwatsonplars: It's unexpected and rather weird, but not a blocker given the general EOL nature of alternates08:38
cjwatsonplars: (I'll have a look if I have time, though.)08:43
psivaacjwatson: xnox: Are raring server images delayed today? Generally they appear earlier than the desktop ones.10:11
xnoxpsivaa: "<slangasek> [05:27:37] ubuntu-server disabled in cron, edubuntu re-enabled"10:12
xnoxpsivaa: something to do with alpha2 'soft-freeze' / release10:12
* xnox doesn't have access to that machine to actually check what's currently configured to build / is building.10:13
Laneyserver is indeed commented out10:13
psivaaxnox: Laney: ahh ok, thanks10:14
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skaetLaney, psivaa, xnox - hmm...   it was cloud images that are going to be added,  not server.   raring server should be re-enabled for the daily.11:27
cjwatsonI've re-enabled server and kicked off a daily build.11:28
psivaacjwatson: skaet: thanks :)11:29
LaneyWhat's the preferred way of SRUing when there's already a change in proposed? Upload the new change or try to get the old one to updates first?11:44
cjwatsonThe latter if possible - it avoids tangles.  We can accommodate the former though.11:45
cjwatson(If you stack SRUs, and the package in question doesn't already have a version in -updates, remember to use -v<version in release pocket> when upgrading.  Hopefully we'll get this LP bug fixed soonish.)11:46
LaneyI'll give the guy a few days to respond11:46
seb128Laney, you can usually upload, review time makes likely that the previous one will be in -updates before your upload gets accepted (if the previous one seems likely to be validated)11:52
psivaastgraber: cjwatson: bug 1124029 is still occurring but on amd64+mac image. Still trying on amd64 and i386 though.11:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 1124029 in ltsp (Ubuntu) "'ltsp-client-builder' failed with error code 1 during LTSP server installation with 20120213.1 alternate images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112402911:52
Laneyit's not that likely in this case as it's been outstanding since November11:52
cjwatsonpsivaa: sounds like it must be a different cause; the failure is a general one11:53
cjwatsonfrom before, I mean11:54
psivaacjwatson: ok, understand. but i was not sure if this will affect i386 and amd64 too11:55
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cjwatsonpsivaa: from the logs I just quoted in the bug, I suspect that it may be amd64-specific11:56
cjwatsonBut it's not entirely clear11:56
cjwatsonActually, maybe that apt warning is just noise for this purpose11:56
psivaacjwatson: ok thanks, ill confirm in a little while11:56
cjwatsonIt's probably that touch failure that matters; maybe fallout from /run?11:57
seb128Laney, if it's sitting there since november either we need to get it reviewed/in or it's invalid and we need it kicked out, what upload is that?11:57
Laneyseb128: gst-plugins-good0.10. I pinged the guy.11:58
seb128ok, otherwise we can probably do a "it might or might not fix the issue for good but there is no regression and it fixes it for some users so let's mark it verified"11:59
cjwatsonCurious, though, since in-target has bind-mounted /run onto /target/run since oneiric11:59
psivaacjwatson: just added a note saying that this is also a side-by-side installation in the bug.12:02
cjwatson*Probably* doesn't matter12:02
cjwatsonpsivaa: Is this the alternate image?12:05
psivaacjwatson: yes12:07
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cjwatsonI assume this means there are no automatic tests of LTSP12:08
psivaano there are not12:09
cjwatsonSince the dashboard is (effectively) clear12:09
cjwatsonpsivaa: trying to reproduce it now12:29
rtgwhy hasn't Raring linux-firmware been promoted from -proposed ? I thought that was automatic when all build dependencies were satisfied.12:42
jdstrandcjwatson: ping regarding precise security updates (openjdk-6 for me, mdeslaur has others)12:42
psivaacjwatson: ack, sorry had to go out. the installation on i386 on an 8G hard drive dell mini has failed before going to Build LTSP chroot step because no space left on device.12:44
smoserutlemming, when you arive, we need to get ISO tracker populated http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/raring/20130213/ i guess would be our candidate.13:09
Riddellanyone admit to rejecting cantata from New?13:17
cjwatsonjdstrand: I want to finish diagnosing psivaa's LTSP bug first13:27
cjwatsonrtg: It's blocked pending the community-flavour Alpha 213:27
cjwatsonrtg: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html lists that13:27
cjwatson(well, it shows it's a manual block, at least)13:28
rtgcjwatson, ok. thanks13:28
jdstrandcjwatson: ack13:30
stgrabercjwatson: want me to look at LTSP on amd64+mac? (that'd be in a non-mac VM though)14:03
cjwatsonstgraber: Sure14:16
cjwatsonMy install is still running14:16
plarscjwatson: but it's also a problem on desktop, not just alternate14:22
cjwatsonplars: What is?14:23
cjwatsonIncomplete language support?14:23
cjwatsonWell, OK - but even then I think that message is a minor flaw14:24
Riddellwe want to get a SRU in of kde-workspace for bug 1123126 in 12.04.2 kubuntu14:25
ubot2Launchpad bug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112312614:25
Riddellwho's good to look into that?  ScottK? infinity?14:25
* ScottK can look.14:25
ScottKAre we going to respin for this?14:26
ScottKRiddell: ^^^14:27
ScottKRiddell: I don't see it in queue yet.14:27
plarscjohnston: the issue with X not starting under virtualbox - it's the same as I was seeing in the desktop image you built for me yesterday after we got past the libpciaccess bug14:27
RiddellScottK: yes it'll need a respin14:28
Riddellare we using an etherpad to keep track of things?14:28
ScottKRiddell: I don't suppose that while we're respinning there's anything we can do to shrink the live images?14:28
cjohnstonI'm guessing ^^ was for cjwatson14:29
RiddellScottK: I can't think of anything immediately14:29
* Laney hugs cjohnston 14:29
cjohnstonLaney: I feel so abused.. lol14:30
plarscjohnston: we really gotta do something about your name14:30
* Laney starts a "one, two, three, tab" campaign14:30
ScottKAt least the alternates fit.14:31
plarshaving to type 3 characters rather than 2 in order to ensure accurate tab completion is far too inconvenient!14:31
cjohnstonLaney: +114:31
cjwatsonRiddell: etherpad> no14:32
cjwatsonRiddell: kde-workspace> OK, get it in the queue and I'll have a look14:32
cjwatsonScottK: You could lose a language pack, but it'd take a live-build SRU :-/14:33
cjohnstonLaney: much more convenient to tab complete someone else, and let everyone figure out what you really meant ;-)14:34
cjwatsonplars: Curious that there are two success reports in the bug ... needs an X developer to unpick14:34
ScottKAh.  A bit late for that now, I'd imagine.14:34
* xnox points people again to the option of "tab completion based on last used order" in most irc clients that gets me cjwatson on cj<tab>14:34
ogra_xnox, ++14:35
plarscjwatson: it works fine on hardware, just not under virtualbox14:35
* xnox ponders if I should upload it enabled by default in irssi & xchat14:35
plarscjwatson: so maybe they aren't going far enough? psivaa: can you try it too?14:35
cjwatsonplars: So that indicates to me that it's a worthwhile improvement14:35
ogra_xnox, would make sense i think ...14:35
cjwatsonplars: Perhaps we need the xorg-server change as well ...14:35
plarscjwatson: it could be that this is just a new bug and unrelated to the previous one14:36
cjwatson(Which isn't in -proposed because I didn't think we needed it yet)14:36
cjwatsonAh, no, xorg-server in the queue is something quite different AFAICS14:36
cjwatsonplars: Could you file a separate bug so that we can split these?14:37
plarscjwatson: I will14:37
cjwatsonSo that means respinning ... uh, everything14:38
Riddellcjwatson, ScottK: kde-workspace 4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.3 (Waiting for approval)   you can fight over it14:38
cjwatsonRiddell: Looking14:38
* ScottK surrenders.14:39
ScottK(wasn't much of a fight)14:39
cjwatsonWell, I don't mind, you probably know the package better14:39
psivaacjwatson: plars i could try another alternate install on vbox once the ltsp installation is over14:40
plarspsivaa: thanks14:41
cjohnstonScottK: since your here, do you have any thoughts on bug #1070772 probably specifically comment #414:42
ubot2Launchpad bug 1070772 in shiboken (Ubuntu) "modelview_test.py segfaults python" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107077214:42
ScottKcjohnston: No opinion.  I don't use it either.14:43
cjohnstonScottK: ok. thanks14:44
ScottKcjohnston: OdYx is really the only one that knows that package AFAIK.14:44
cjohnstonI spoke to him and he didn't have any idea, nor any time to look into it.14:45
cjwatsonplars: Do you have a syslog (or just a bug ref with logs) for any of these incomplete-language-support cases?14:48
plarscjwatson: I can get that in just a bit14:50
cjwatsonMy LTSP test install worked ...14:55
cjwatsonSo I think I'm dependent on stgraber having a look14:55
stgrabercjwatson: mine is still running but it passed the chroot creation step and is compressing now, so it's very unlikely it'll fail14:56
cjwatsonSo current state: most things (except server) need respinning for libpciaccess; LTSP problem apparently unreproducible; kde-workspace building; incomplete language support needs investigation14:57
ScottKcjwatson: If most things need respin, is an SRU for live build to shrink the Kubuntu live images a possibility?15:02
cjwatsonScottK: powerpc would be easy enough to shrink, but I don't see any spare language packs in amd64, and I don't think that removing German from i386 will gain you enough space to be back under whatever the limit is15:05
cjwatsonScottK: So I'm not sure it's worth it?15:05
cjwatson(I've now looked at it in more detail ...)15:06
stgrabercjwatson: ok, so I identified what line failed for psivaa but it doesn't make any sense...15:06
stgraberin-target /bin/touch /etc/resolv.conf15:06
cjwatsonRemoving German would save about 6.5MB15:06
cjwatsonstgraber: Yeah, I alluded to that above15:06
cjwatson11:57 <cjwatson> It's probably that touch failure that matters; maybe fallout from /run?15:07
cjwatson11:59 <cjwatson> Curious, though, since in-target has bind-mounted /run onto /target/run since oneiric15:07
ScottKcjwatson: OK.  Let's leave it then.  Thanks for checking.15:07
cjwatsonScottK: I think the Kubuntu limit for precise was officially 1GB anyway ...?15:08
cjwatsonThough it's true that earlier releases fit on a CD15:08
ScottKcjwatson: No.  We were still trying to fit on a CD.15:08
cjwatsonAh, well, the cdimage code lies then15:08
ScottKWe didn't switch until quantal.15:08
smartboyhwI heard Xubuntu quit of having CD releases15:08
cjwatsonI suspect somebody changed it without an appropriate release guard15:08
stgrabercjwatson: hmm, right. I suppose the same would happen if /run/resolvconf didn't exist though, but in either case, the apt-get would then fail because DNS resolution would be horribly broken...15:10
cjwatsonRight, you'd think15:10
cjwatsonAnd netcfg doesn't *seem* to have fallen over in a heap earlier15:10
stgraberpsivaa: can you easily reproduce this? if so, can you let me know when you have a machine that just got that problem (and is still in d-i)?15:10
GridCubesmartboyhw, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/11/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t21:4915:10
smartboyhwGridCube, I knew.... I looked at the meeting logs15:10
cjwatsonso ... why did nobody report this to ubuntu-cdimage?15:11
cjwatsonah, only two days ago15:11
cjwatsonGridCube,smartboyhw: Shall I take this as a request to change the limit in our code?15:11
smartboyhwcjwatson, 1. Ask knome for official confirmation please15:12
GridCubecjwatson, please do ask kees15:12
psivaastgraber: i am trying the amd64 image to confirm the issue, and will let you know if it hits the issue15:12
stgraberpsivaa: ok, thanks15:12
GridCubes/ kees / knome15:12
smartboyhwI don't want to get killed for confirming things15:12
cjwatsonknome: ^-15:12
smartboyhwWhile I am not even  a Xubuntu guy15:12
GridCubeits going to happen anyway though, but i can't wear knome's hat15:13
cjwatsonknome: I have the patch for the above once approved15:18
plarscjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1124214 is the latest bug for alternate not working under virtualbox, and I believe it to be similar to the situation I was seeing in the build you made yesterday but we are still at 20120211 for the desktop builds.  Is there going to be a respin for desktop at some point too?15:20
ubot2Ubuntu bug 1124214 in xorg (Ubuntu) "X does not start on alternate after installing in virtualbox" [Undecided,New]15:20
cjwatsonplars: Yes, I will be respinning desktop15:21
cjwatsonBut I would like to understand the incomplete-language-support thing first15:21
plarscjwatson: that's next on my list15:21
cjwatsonI'm trying to reproduce it locally now15:22
plarscjwatson: the bug with syslog attached is bug #112423015:33
ubot2Launchpad bug 1124230 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Language selector comes up after 12.04.2 rc candidate installation in english" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112423015:33
slangasekskaet: the original comment from smoser said "opting in for cloud-images and for server ISOs"; doesn't that imply server image generation should also be paused?15:41
* ScottK would think so.15:41
smoserserver team is not opting-in for server ISO.15:43
skaetslangasek,  my understanding from him was AMI's not ISO's - but its best that smoser comment directly.15:43
smosersorry for confusion there.15:43
skaetthanks smoser15:44
smoserwe were considering ISO, but will instead simply have a call for testing of a daily.15:44
cjwatsonplars: Did you say you saw this on desktop too?  I'm not seeing it15:48
plarscjwatson: not so far, but if its similar to bugs like this we've seen before, it may not happen every time15:49
slangasekskaet, smoser: ok, all clear now, thanks15:49
cjwatsonplars: Well, the proximate cause here is in pkgsel, which isn't code that's directly in the desktop image15:51
psivaastgraber: i did not see the ltsp issue on the next amd64+mac installation16:28
psivaathe amd64 installation did not complain but i can not restart the VM (using vbox) most probably due to the bug plars posted above16:29
cjwatsonplars: aha, got it16:43
cjwatsonKnew it looked vaguely familiar somehow :)16:44
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plarscjwatson: oh?16:45
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cjwatsonFix on its way16:48
cjwatsonslangasek,stgraber: ^- could I have urgent review of that for 12.04.2?16:51
cjwatsonRiddell,ScottK: How goes verification of kde-workspace?16:51
* ScottK looks at Riddell16:52
cjwatson(I know it hasn't built on ARM/powerpc yet)16:52
* ScottK is tied up with $WORK ATM.16:52
Riddellsorry got distracted by raring alpha 216:52
RiddellI'll get back to 12.04.2 now16:52
cjwatsonLet me know if you need a custom image build with -proposed16:53
stgrabercjwatson: I'm happy to review but can't accept myself (not SRU team)16:53
Riddellshould be fine just installing on a live image and log in with a new user16:54
stgrabercjwatson: is the fact that the variable type will change from a list to set cause a problem later on?16:55
stgrabercjwatson: as in, should it be list(set( instead of just set( ?16:55
cjwatsonAddressed in the regression potential section of the bug :)16:56
cjwatsonAnd no - the only way that variable is used is by feeding it straight to sorted()16:56
cjwatsonWhich takes any iterable16:56
stgraberhehe, hadn't looked at the bug yet, sorry16:56
cjwatsonSorry, forgot (again) you weren't SRU team16:56
stgraberso yeah, perfectly safe if it's just sent through sorted()16:56
cjwatsonIt's a straight cherry-pick from quantal and I double-checked the context16:57
ScottKcjwatson: We should fix stgraber not being on the SRU team.16:57
cjwatsonWe should16:57
cjwatsonbdmurray: Might you be around to review language-selector/precise for me?  (See above)17:03
cjwatsonOnce kde-workspace is verified and copied, and language-selector is reviewed, verified, and copied, we can start respins17:05
Riddellcjwatson: kde-workspace verified!17:10
Riddellbug 112312617:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112312617:10
plarscjwatson: on the X problem I'm getting after intsalling alternate, I didn't realize, but Sarvatt pointed out that the 20120213.1 respin of alternate didn't have the libpciaccess0 fix in it. So when that respins it *should* work, but I'm still a bit leery on desktop because of the image I tested for you yesterday which had other problems.17:18
plarsas soon as we get the official respins of both, I'll take another look of course17:19
bdmurraycjwatson: looking at it now17:20
bdmurraycjwatson: accepted17:24
psivaastgraber: i have a machine with ltsp install failure with amd64+mac image, if you'd like  me to try anything with it17:25
stgraberpsivaa: ok, from a shell, can you do "ls -l /target/etc/resolv.conf" and "ls -l /run/resolvconf/"?17:26
smoserutlemming, can you please provide slangasek with list of amis to populate tracker with ?17:27
smoserand then have test done on those ? if you think we're ready for that.17:27
psivaastgraber: "wxrwxrwx 1 root root  29 Feb13 16.41 /target/etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf" for the first one but "/run/resolvconf/: No such file or directory" for the second17:32
stgraberok, the latter is the problem, though it's not an actual LTSP problem17:33
stgraber(and as mentioned earlier, may cause a lot more problems as it essentially means you don't have DNS resolution in there...)17:33
stgraberpsivaa: can you pastebin: "ls -l /target/run" and "ls -l /run" (oh, and "ls -l /run/resolvconf" if it exists)?17:34
utlemmingsmoser: yes, I'll populate the tracker now17:35
utlemmingslangasek, smoser: I have the ability to populate the tracker17:35
utlemmingsmoser, slangasek: populated17:37
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psivaastgraber: ok, in a minute, have to find a way to get those information from the console17:39
stgraberpsivaa: are you using libvirt?17:39
psivaastgraber: no this is on a real hardware17:39
stgraberpsivaa: ah, ok, you can go with something similar though.17:40
stgraberpsivaa: on your machine, do: nc -l 123417:40
stgraberpsivaa: on the test machine do: <command> | nc <ip of your machine> 123417:40
stgraberthat'll simply redirect the command's output over the network, you can then copy/paste it or even pipe it straight to pastebinit17:41
psivaastgraber: thanks for that, https://pastebin.canonical.com/84560/17:48
knomecjwatson, yes, xubuntu wishes to switch to a 1GB image starting from Raring.17:59
knomecjwatson, tell me if you need something else from me (please include nick so i'll notice). i thought infinity did something already, but not sure what exactly.17:59
cjwatsonknome: Not that I can see.  I've made that size limit change for you.18:00
cjwatsonOh, BAH18:00
cjwatsoninfinity: Please don't make that kind of change only on the deployment branch18:00
knomecjwatson, ok, cheers! :)18:00
skaetslangasek,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/Alpha2/CommonInfrastructure - can you please review and update as needed any changes for the foundations portion.   It will get pulled into Kubuntu and Ubuntu Cloud release notes for Alpha 2.18:01
* cjwatson resolves the slightly different approaches infinity and he had taken18:02
stgrabercjwatson: ok, so it looks like the problem is that in some cases we get /target/etc/resolv.conf as the usual symlink, pointing to /run/resolvconf which apparently exists! in /target but doesn't in /run, so the bind-mount of /run essentially hides it18:04
cjwatsonPerhaps the cheapest fix for now is a mkdir -p /run/resolvconf just before that in-target?18:04
cjwatsonIt's a bit of a hack, but ...18:05
stgrabercjwatson: yeah, I guess that'd work, assuming nothing tries to use the network from within the target after that18:06
stgraber(I don't think we do in LTSP, but something else might)18:06
cjwatsonI don't think it can make the situation worse?18:07
stgrabernope, won't make it any worse :)18:07
stgraberI'll upload that hack now18:07
stgrabercjwatson: uploaded and paperwork done18:14
stgraberpsivaa: oh, were all the failing installs happening when you had no network?18:15
stgraberpsivaa: (just went through the initial syslog and noticed DHCP timing out)18:15
slangasekskaet: we agreed at UDS that we weren't going to do "common" release notes via includes anymore except for documenting bugs18:16
slangasekskaet: Secure Boot is certainly not relevant on cloud images, and is not a new feature in raring at all18:17
cjwatsonstgraber: Ah, heh, I'd been envisioning just mkdir -p without in-target, but as it happens since there's a bind-mount this should work too ...18:22
cjwatsonstgraber: please fix in raring too?18:23
stgrabercjwatson: yeah, I figured that doing it through in-target would guarantee that it always get created at the right place (whether the bind-mount works or not)18:23
stgrabercjwatson: I'd rather fix the actual bug in raring than upload the workaround and increase our delta with Debian18:24
cjwatsonFair enough18:24
cjwatsonAccepted for precise, thanks18:24
stgrabercjwatson: (not to mention we don't actually use that code path as we don't have alternate, only some weird people using netboot can still use those bits)18:25
* cjwatson gets https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-12.04.2 into sync with reality18:25
cjwatsonplars: Curious, I could have sworn I'd included the new libpciaccess, but you're right18:27
* cjwatson → dinner18:28
cjwatsonI'll verify language-selector after dinner18:29
jdstrandINFO lxsession-edit_0.2.0-3ubuntu1_i386.deb: Version older than that in the archive. 0.2.0-3ubuntu1 <=
jdstrandbut I can't find anywhere18:34
skaetslangasek,  common before was one page (Technical Overview) that had all the flavors on it ie;  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha3.   This is just a common section that can be embedded in each flavor announce page - so they get the common facts accurate, and all don't have to figure out the kernel version, etc.18:40
slangasekskaet: and the decision at UDS was to not do this include because the content is not actually common18:41
slangasekthe commonality between edubuntu and ubuntu is completely different from the commonality between ubuntu and kubuntu, or ubuntu and ubuntu-server18:42
jdstrandok, corresponds to lxsession afaict, and it ships an lxsession-edit18:52
jdstrandso I'll follow up with the uploader18:52
skaetslangasek, same kernel and foundation projects.   Agree secure boot is not relevant on cloud images.   Left it there, since it wasn't working for Kubuntu for 12.10,  so its new to them.  But agree it probably shouldn't be in common, since it isn't relevant to the cloud ones.18:55
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psivaastgraber: I am sure the failure on the second attempt was when there was no network ( comment #7) in the bug, but i am not really sure if that's the same case in the first attempt which i used to report the bug20:26
stgraberpsivaa: you didn't have network in the first one (or so says the log)20:26
psivaastgraber: ahh ok :)20:27
plarsstgraber: so on ltsp, I'm able to get the server side fully installed now, but the client is only getting as far as plymouth.  I've not tried on hardware yet, only in kvm and virtualbox with networking setup as recommended in the test case.  That should work though right?20:30
stgraberplars: it worked in kvm here yesterday20:30
stgraber(with server and client being both in kvm, two interfaces on the server, one to the internet, one to an isolated network with the other vm)20:31
plarsstgraber: that's what I'm doing, are you calling kvm directly or using something like virt-manager?20:32
stgraberplars: through libvirt20:32
stgraberplars: both VMs used cirrus graphic if that somehow matters20:32
plarsstgraber: that was for an older bug that doesn't seem to be affecting me here20:33
plarsstgraber: I'll try it again when we get the respins I suppose, I've not done much with libvirt and I'm not sure I trust vbox until the libpciaccess fix is included20:35
* cjwatson is back (subject to filial whims) and attempting to verify language-selector20:36
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antaruscjwatson: so when is ubuntu switching to systemd?21:17
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cjwatsonAre you trying to distract me from 12.04.2? :)21:19
infinityantarus: I'm going to assume that was trolling? :P21:19
mdeslaurantarus: right after RHEL switches to Unity :P21:20
* mdeslaur can troll too21:20
cjwatsonstgraber: So LTSP is the last thing outstanding - how are things looking?21:21
stgrabermdeslaur: well, they already use upstart ;)21:21
stgrabercjwatson: well, the only easy way to test it is to spin images, so I'm inclined on marking verification-done and doing real testing once we get medias that psivaa can test21:22
stgrabermy standard way of patching those things during install relies on me having network and it looks like this bug happens only in networkless environment making things much trickier than usual21:23
stgrabercjwatson: I can run a sanity check of the standard install path though if that makes you feel better :)21:25
antarusmdeslaur: I'm not really trolling, is there a handy FAQ about it?21:26
antaruscjwatson: I dunno, are you looking for a distraction? ;p21:26
slangasekantarus: we have no plans to switch to systemd. Getting too much Lennart kool-aid? :)21:27
antarusslangasek: I think we had bad experiences with hardy / lucid upstart, and now that we know it better..we are looking for more bad experiences?21:29
antarusslangasek: its simply a common question that we get asked from our engineers ;)21:29
psivaastgraber: will adding apt-setup/proposed=true help verify from proposed?21:29
antarusI am actually going to start an unofficial internal faq that might hold this answer (and other, google-specific answers)21:29
mdeslaurantarus: here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/112121:29
slangasekantarus: shall I draft you an answer about plymouth for the faq? :)21:30
slangasekor has Marc Merlin stopped asking about that? ;)21:30
stgraberpsivaa: hmm, I may be wrong but I think this flag will only change the system's sources, it won't tell d-i to use -proposed as the udeb source21:31
antarusslangasek: hahaaha hahahah haha haa....21:31
cjwatsonstgraber: You're wrong :)21:31
antarusmdeslaur: helpful, thanks21:31
cjwatsonI hacked it up to work for udebs too21:31
antarusslangasek: Marc still hates plymouth21:31
antarusslangasek: I think even Gentoo is switching to Plymouth though21:31
stgrabercjwatson: oh nice21:31
antaruswe are using bootsplash right now, which is unmaintained, there is a thread on gentoo-dev about it21:31
stgraberthough in this case, there'd be little point setting this key as the bug appears only on internetless installs and so d-i wouldn't be able to pull the new udeb from the internet21:32
stgrabercjwatson: anyway, I'm running a standard LTSP install now, should have the result in a bit less than an hour (sorry, very slow core2duo instead as my nice i7 is a useless brick at the moment...)21:33
stgraberah no, s/instead // :)21:34
cjwatsonstgraber: OK.  I'll wander off for a while then and be back in a bit.21:38
cjwatsonActually.  I could probably start some images building21:38
cjwatsonRight, respinning all precise images that contain X (for the libpciaccess fix) and that aren't Kubuntu (still waiting for kde-workspace to build everywhere) and that don't contain LTSP (so no alternates or DVDs, except Ubuntu Studio)22:06
cjwatson$ set -x; buildlive ubuntu daily-live precise && DIST=precise for-project ubuntu cron.daily-live; buildlive ubuntu-core daily precise && DIST=precise build-livecd-base ubuntu-core daily; DIST=precise SUBPROJECT=wubi buildlive ubuntu && DIST=precise for-project ubuntu cron.wubi; buildlive mythbuntu daily-live precise && DIST=precise for-project mythbuntu cron.daily-live; buildlive ubuntustudio-dvd dvd precise && ...22:06
cjwatson... DIST=precise for-project ubuntustudio cron.dvd; buildlive xubuntu daily-live precise && DIST=precise for-project xubuntu cron.daily-live; UBUNTU_DEFAULTS_LOCALE=zh_CN buildlive ubuntu daily-live precise && DIST=precise build-chinese-edition; set +x22:06
stgrabercjwatson: LTSP is good to go, just had a working install here (so at least it's not regression the d-i code)22:21
stgraberI'll mark the bug verification-done in a sec22:22
cjwatsonAh, brilliant, thanks22:22
cjwatsonNo reproduction of the client problem plars reported?22:23
stgrabernope, client worked fine here, got a working unity session on it22:23
stgraberthe server never started X though, but I'm blaming libpciaccess22:24
cjwatsonstgraber: The libpciaccess fix I know about is in precise-updates ...22:24
cjwatsonWell, I guess not if you were basing on the last alternate, though22:24
cjwatsonAnd kde-workspace is very close to done22:26
stgrabercjwatson: right, I was installing from the latest alternate22:26
cjwatsonstgraber: copied to -updates22:41
Logan_jdstrand: I think that the lxsession-edit migration issue makes sense, as it wouldn't want to copy it to raring from raring-proposed if it had a binary with a lower version than one provided by another source package.22:44
Logan_But I think a bug should be filed against lxsession to remove the lxsession-edit binary from that package, as it should be provided by the lxsession-edit source package, as it is in Debian.22:44
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* cjwatson releases kde-workspace23:35
cjwatsonI really hope that's the last one23:36
plarscjwatson: desktop on i386 still having some issues getting into live session that I'm not able to reproduce on amd64: bug #112466023:54
ubot2Launchpad bug 1124660 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Precise 20120213 i386 live session fails in virtualbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112466023:54
plarsSarvatt: ^23:54
cjwatsonOK, I think we knew virtualbox was likely to still be broken23:55
cjwatsonAs long as it's virtualbox-specific I'm not going to consider it a blocker at this point; the last fix got in because it affected i915 too23:55
cjwatsonJust not enough time ...23:55
plarscjwatson: yeah, I haven't had a chance to try it on hardware yet, but I'll be doing that this evening23:56
cjwatsonSarvatt: I'd appreciate a release note written by one of the X cabal about this23:57
cjwatsonIn /CommonInfrastructure I guess23:57
* plars -> supper, then back for more iso testing23:58

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