| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/18ecca/was_asked_to_slow_down_the_servers_today/ | 00:11 |
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| rick_h_ | party party | 00:46 |
| jjesse | and boom goes twitter with the state of union | 02:16 |
| greg-g | oh right... do I turn the hotel tv back on or not... | 02:17 |
| greg-g | decision: not worth the effort | 02:18 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 13:03 |
| brousch | yes | 13:04 |
| rick_h_ | wheeee | 13:11 |
| snap-l | Y'know, for the amount of people lamenting Opera's engine change, you'd think I'd have more Opera users in my logs. | 13:56 |
| brousch | PEople use Opera? | 14:01 |
| snap-l | You'd think they did from the amount of kvetching | 14:03 |
| brousch | I think jrwren is trolling you | 14:05 |
| snap-l | Wouldn't be the first time. | 14:08 |
| snap-l | But I doubt it. I think jrwren is sincere | 14:09 |
| jcastro | snap-l: btw http://askubuntu.com/questions/3503/best-way-to-cache-apt-downloads-on-a-lan | 14:36 |
| jrwren | i'm only sincere in that I value diversity. | 14:55 |
| jrwren | i strongly dislike the "1 down, 2 to go" sentiment. | 14:55 |
| jrwren | I'd be very disappointed if there was only webkit. | 14:55 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: but what do you prefer to webkit? That's my thing. If a new contender came up I'd be happy, but gecko/etc are just not up to snuff | 14:56 |
| rick_h_ | might as well compete with each other on top of the same kernel imo | 14:56 |
| snap-l | I'm not sure Opera was up to snuff, honestly. | 14:56 |
| rick_h_ | just like RH/Ubuntu/Debian on the same linux kernel | 14:56 |
| snap-l | er, Presto | 14:56 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Thanks! Will check it out. | 14:56 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Does it also cache private repos, or will I have to add those in by hand? | 14:57 |
| jrwren | i disagree with all of that. | 14:57 |
| jrwren | gecko, opera and trident are all "up to snuff" | 14:57 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, hate this title though http://ejohn.org/blog/webkit-is-the-jquery-of-browser-engines/ | 14:59 |
| brousch | hah | 14:59 |
| snap-l | That's what I don't understand: all of the webkit hate. | 14:59 |
| jrwren | i dont' hate it at all. | 15:00 |
| jrwren | its great. | 15:00 |
| jrwren | i strongly dislike the sentiment that there should be only webkit. | 15:00 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I don't buy that either | 15:02 |
| snap-l | Because it won't just be webkit, it'll be IE and webkit and gecko and something else | 15:02 |
| brousch | It's not like MS will ever switch | 15:04 |
| snap-l | I'm not so certain, but if they do, they'll definitely extend it | 15:05 |
| jrwren | i would have agreed with MS never, until I've seen how MS embraced nodejs. | 15:13 |
| jrwren | as of yet, ms hasn't extended nodejs in noncompatible ways. | 15:13 |
| jrwren | i'm still waiting | 15:13 |
| brousch | What are they using node on? | 15:14 |
| rick_h_ | yea, nodejs and jquery have been fairly cleanly integrated | 15:15 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: they support it on azure | 15:15 |
| rick_h_ | it was one of the first non-.net platforms on there | 15:16 |
| brousch | That's all? | 15:16 |
| rick_h_ | they sponsored a ton of work to move to libuv to get it to work on MS platforms | 15:16 |
| rick_h_ | basically node didn't work on MS at all, then they sponsored a ton of good work and now works pretty well from what I hear | 15:16 |
| brousch | That is just them realizing no one wants to run ASP and no one wants to port cool things to Windows | 15:17 |
| jrwren | one of the core node devs works for msft IIRC | 15:17 |
| jrwren | brousch: we are trying to have a serious discussion. hyperbole like no one wants to run asp -- assuming you mean asp.net -- is not true. | 15:18 |
| jrwren | in fact, its not even hyperbole, its flat out false. | 15:18 |
| brousch | Fair enough | 15:19 |
| jrwren | strategically i can't figure out what msft is doing with it other than tooling. but they don't make $$$ on tooling. | 15:20 |
| jrwren | msft is a sinking ship. | 15:20 |
| brousch | They make money because node can be run on Azure. It's a way to bring in "the cool kids" to their cloud platform | 15:20 |
| brousch | Given a choice, most of the developers I've encountered would not use MS. They only do so because they are paid to use it | 15:21 |
| jcastro | snap-l: yeah you need to whitelist some domains on the server piece, it's in the "3rd party" section of my post. | 15:22 |
| jcastro | snap-l: iirc we added some common ones commented out. | 15:22 |
| jcastro | I don't get the webkit or the opera hate either | 15:22 |
| jrwren | my impression from talking to 'azure people' is that there are not a lot of paying customers. | 15:23 |
| jrwren | a couple of big profile ones like nbc for olympics, but its not very wide spread. | 15:23 |
| jcastro | it's not in GA yet that's why | 15:24 |
| jrwren | azure? | 15:24 |
| jcastro | yeah | 15:24 |
| jrwren | most azure servies are GA w/ production support | 15:24 |
| jrwren | oh, you mean node specifically? | 15:24 |
| brousch | jrwren: It's for the same reason. given a choice, most developers I know would not use Azure | 15:24 |
| jrwren | brousch: I would have agreed and been one until I first deployed to it. its pretty much just like heroku now. git push to deploy the node app. | 15:25 |
| jrwren | the only thing I have against it is cost - its pretty expensive. | 15:25 |
| brousch | Azure is windows, right? | 15:26 |
| jcastro | jrwren: the compute thing isn't GA, the IAAS compete-with-amazon part. | 15:26 |
| jrwren | i see. | 15:27 |
| jcastro | soon though | 15:27 |
| jcastro | the tools are all node, it's pretty nice | 15:27 |
| jrwren | brousch: its called "Windows Azure" so yes :) | 15:28 |
| brousch | So to ensure your stuff will run properly on it, you should be developing on Windows | 15:28 |
| jcastro | nope, Linux is 100% supported | 15:28 |
| brousch | So you can run a Linux server on Azure? | 15:29 |
| jrwren | brousch: i really don't understand. you write nodejs. | 15:29 |
| jrwren | or yes, for IAAS stuff you can run Linux on Azure. | 15:29 |
| jcastro | brousch: yep, full support from MS and Canonical too: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/canonical-partners-with-microsoft-to-support-ubuntu-on-azure/ | 15:29 |
| jcastro | dun dun dun! | 15:29 |
| brousch | Fascinating | 15:29 |
| jrwren | the part where it will really suck is if you use SQL... its gonna be MSSQL and not Postgresql :( | 15:29 |
| jjesse | brousch, if i remember correctly the Hypervisor is MS Hypervisor | 15:30 |
| jrwren | well, unless you run and install postgresql on an IAAS | 15:30 |
| jrwren | but I was refering to paas | 15:30 |
| jrwren | yes, its HyperV. | 15:30 |
| jjesse | so whatever is supported on Hyper-V should run on Azure | 15:30 |
| jrwren | remember when MS sent the huge patch to linux kernel? | 15:30 |
| jjesse | yup | 15:30 |
| jcastro | I don't care about paas, there's plenty of choice in paas, what's needed is more iaas competition, IMO of course | 15:30 |
| jcastro | _someone_ needs to compete with amazon | 15:31 |
| brousch | Doesn't rackspace? | 15:31 |
| jcastro | their new cloud is still beta | 15:33 |
| jcastro | HPs is still beta | 15:33 |
| jcastro | Google's is still beta | 15:33 |
| jcastro | Azure's is still beta | 15:33 |
| jrwren | jcastro: seriously? | 15:34 |
| jrwren | i feel exactly the oposite. | 15:34 |
| jcastro | meanwhile Amazon is printing money. | 15:34 |
| brousch | Google is doing IAAS? | 15:34 |
| jcastro | yep | 15:34 |
| rick_h_ | yep | 15:34 |
| rick_h_ | google compute | 15:34 |
| jrwren | plenty of choice in Iaas, and very little in paas :) | 15:34 |
| brousch | Oh right | 15:34 |
| jcastro | jrwren: most of the "iaas" I see is just some resold VPS garbage with "Cloud" stuck on the front. | 15:34 |
| rick_h_ | how so in paas? There seems to be a ton of them | 15:34 |
| jcastro | I mean real scalable IAAS, like, Netflix scale | 15:34 |
| jjesse | i don't see anything about Azure being a beta product | 15:34 |
| jcastro | if you want IAAS and you need to scale AWS is your only real choice | 15:35 |
| jrwren | jcastro: there are half a dozen vendors selling openstack clouds. | 15:35 |
| jcastro | brousch: https://cloud.google.com/products/compute-engine | 15:35 |
| jcastro | jrwren: and they will be awesome, just not right now. | 15:35 |
| jrwren | so not VPS garbage with cloud on the front, but openstack with cloud on the front. | 15:35 |
| jrwren | AWS's IAAS is NOT waht makes netflix be netflix scale. | 15:35 |
| jrwren | netflix programers design decision is what makes netflix be that scale. | 15:36 |
| jcastro | don't get me wrong, openstack clouds are the future, but there's no killer customer at scale on openstack clouds yet | 15:36 |
| rick_h_ | yea, really hoping dreamhost/rackspace/hp can get up and running 100% and complete against AWS. Google would be nice but they just seem to care about BIG deploys right now | 15:36 |
| jrwren | a vast majority of systems running on aws iaas use it just like hosted servers and when there is an infra outage, htey go down. | 15:36 |
| jcastro | jrwren: netflix is very much scalable in large part to aws, I was at the session where they talked about it | 15:36 |
| jcastro | I mean, their architecture is also very smart | 15:37 |
| jrwren | jcastro: i strongly disagree. I too was at the session where they talked about it, and had some beer with Carl Quinn taht weekend. | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: just because a tool has options doesn't make people use it. | 15:37 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: exactly. | 15:37 |
| jcastro | jrwren: we should drink beer and argue again like old times | 15:37 |
| jrwren | jcastro: indeed we should. and you are closer than ever! | 15:38 |
| rick_h_ | and EBS has gotten a few different updates to make cross region deploys easier as part of those downtimes | 15:38 |
| jrwren | jcastro: want to come to Learn something @ fanzoo Feb 27th? | 15:38 |
| jcastro | what is fanzoo? | 15:38 |
| jrwren | IIRC netflix doesn't use ebs at all. | 15:38 |
| jcastro | no one uses EBS, not even amazon. :) | 15:38 |
| jrwren | jcastro: a tiny consulting company in AA | 15:38 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: right, because they know better but it's a big reason other people go down | 15:39 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: yes, I see your point. that is what I was saying too. | 15:39 |
| jcastro | anyway, tldr, linux on azure works just fine | 15:39 |
| jrwren | jcastro: 4th wednesdays they host a code jam style get together were you really just hang out drink beer, work on software or wahtever and talk about it with other people | 15:39 |
| jcastro | jrwren: where do they meet? | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: CHC! | 15:40 |
| jrwren | jcastro: at fanzoo technologies in AA - its at Ann and Ashley right downtown | 15:40 |
| jcastro | oh rock and roll | 15:40 |
| jcastro | I can probably do that, I have a car now | 15:40 |
| jrwren | YAY for cars! | 15:40 |
| jrwren | tldr: linux on azure works just fine. building your own cloud with a 12.10 iso and the maas boot option - not so much :p | 15:41 |
| jcastro | hey man, sign up for a jumpstart and pay me and I'll be more than happy, lol | 15:41 |
| jcastro | <--- can't set it up either. | 15:42 |
| jrwren | we've had a couple guys trying it and both failed independantly. | 15:42 |
| jrwren | it works if you do things EXACTLY right, but as soon as ANYTHING is different - fail. | 15:42 |
| jrwren | like we have multi nics so spearate mgmt network and cloud network and NOPE | 15:42 |
| jrwren | all fail | 15:42 |
| jcastro | send me your problems, I can have people look at them | 15:43 |
| jcastro | very quickly too | 15:43 |
| jrwren | that is what I keep telling the guys here - i'm tell 'em, talk to jcastro, he is local - but they never do. | 15:44 |
| jcastro | anything openstack or maas related I can get looked at | 15:44 |
| jcastro | or hell, file a bug | 15:44 |
| jrwren | I've not had to do it myself, so I've not directly experienced the pain or success, but I'll let them know. | 15:45 |
| jcastro | DO NOT SUFFER IN SILENCE | 15:45 |
| UnFixed | not sure who it was that mentioned the MUG meeting last night, but thanks. | 15:47 |
| snap-l | But suffering in silence is webscale. | 15:47 |
| UnFixed | i saw it beofre leaving work | 15:47 |
| UnFixed | decided to head over, enjoyed it | 15:48 |
| snap-l | UnFixed: I think that was me. :) | 15:48 |
| snap-l | Welcome. :) | 15:48 |
| UnFixed | :D | 15:48 |
| snap-l | Hope you can make it back to the upcoming meetings | 15:48 |
| snap-l | should be some good ones coming up | 15:48 |
| UnFixed | farmington is a little out of my way, but i do plan to try to make it to some | 15:48 |
| snap-l | (note: I'm on the board, so take that with the appropriate disclaimers) | 15:48 |
| UnFixed | any idea on what the topics for the following meetings are? | 15:49 |
| UnFixed | someone skimmed through them at the meeting, but i can't recall them | 15:50 |
| rick_h_ | http://blog.ziade.org/2013/02/13/fun-with-angularjs-amp-cornice/ for some pyramid/cornice/app love | 15:51 |
| snap-l | UnFixed: We have a calendar of upcoming events under mug.org/meetings | 15:54 |
| UnFixed | found it just a moment ago | 15:55 |
| snap-l | http://www.mug.org/?page=CiviCRM&q=civicrm/event/ical&reset=1&list=1&html=1 | 15:55 |
| UnFixed | i didnt see the link at the bottom of the page | 15:55 |
| UnFixed | thanks | 15:55 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it doesn't jump out unfortunately | 15:55 |
| jrwren | jcastro: sellers just said we should take you to lunch sometime to talk openstack and maas | 16:09 |
| jcastro | awww yeah | 16:10 |
| jrwren | im gonna see if he wants to today. you up for lunch today? | 16:13 |
| snap-l | Must be nice. :) | 16:14 |
| jrwren | which part? | 16:18 |
| snap-l | The going to lunch part. :) | 16:19 |
| jrwren | ah, nope, people are all busy here. another time and SOON | 16:19 |
| jrwren | whoa, cool https://launchpad.net/~zfs-native/+archive/stable | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | upvites | 22:22 |
| rick_h_ | bah | 22:22 |
| rick_h_ | upvotes appreciated: http://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/18h0vg/a_pebble_users_first_impressions_and_feedback/ | 22:22 |
| greg-g | I just got this email from Carrie: "Rowan just peed on the back deck, came inside to get a rag, and is now wiping it up." | 22:32 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 22:33 |
| greg-g | he's 14 months, effing crazy | 22:33 |
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