[01:28] <hatch> anyone with any experience with Synology NAS's?
[01:28] <hatch> I'm looking at picking one up just looking for experiences
[12:55] <teknico> Interesting context: http://dave.cheney.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/august-go-meetup.pdf
[12:57] <bac> teknico: are you able to get juju-core tests to pass with the current trunk?
[12:58] <teknico> bac, I did not try again yet, an that reminds me that I have to get that mongodb package
[12:58] <teknico> I'll do it after lunch
[12:59] <teknico> s/ an / and /
[12:59] <bac> teknico: i have had one clean test run but cannot duplicate
[12:59] <bac> i'd like to figure out the mechanism for updating those packages it complains about *and* get a clean test run.
[13:16] <gary_poster> bac bcsaller benji Makyo|out we have Monday off unless you swap it
[13:17] <benji> yep
[13:17] <bac> thanks george and abe
[13:18] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:18] <bac> gary_poster: i'll probably work and take off later that week, probably friday.  will put it in c-admin later today
[13:18] <gary_poster> ok cool bac
[13:40] <bac> jujugui: for those of you setting up a juju-core environment, the failures seen here are known problems so don't let them bother you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1650787/
[13:40] <gary_poster> thanks 
[13:40] <bac> (unless you're bothered by trunk being busted)
[13:40] <bac> ((which i am))
[13:41] <gary_poster> :-) yeah, a bit surprising
[13:41] <bac> is it?
[13:41] <bcsaller> *cough* back in my day...
[13:41] <gary_poster> heh
[13:41] <gary_poster> here old fella, lemme get you a chair
[13:42] <bcsaller> heh
[13:42] <hazmat> lol
[14:47] <gary_poster> frankban, port 17070
[14:48] <teknico> bac, out of all tests I get two failures, how many do you get?
[14:49] <bac> teknico: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1650787/ -- known issue and rogpeppe is working on it.
[14:49] <frankban> gary_poster: yes, thanks, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gophers/juju-core/trunk/view/head:/environs/ec2/ec2.go#L24
[14:49] <gary_poster> cool thanks frankban 
[14:50] <bac> teknico: hope i didn't speak too soon for you in juju-dev
[14:50] <teknico> bac, exactly the same as what I get, thanks
[14:51] <teknico> bac, as far as repeatable failures? I'll let you know :-)
[14:51] <bac> ok
[14:51] <benji> something is not right with my go install
[15:01] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban teknico, barring objections, I suggest that frankban and teknico pair on 1123660 -> 1123687 -> 1123688 (the authentication plus "environment_info" story) and benji and bac pair for the "convert a command" exercise.  Both of these should be done no later than the week before the sprint (so, about two weeks of work).  
[15:01] <gary_poster> If you get done sooner +1 :-)
[15:01] <gary_poster> Sound ok?
[15:02] <bac> gary_poster: +1
[15:02] <benji> sounds good
[15:02] <frankban> cool
[15:02] <gary_poster> Cool.  bac and benji, I have some more info/thoughts for you that I'll share later
[15:02] <teknico> gary_poster, ok
[15:02] <benji> anyone seen this one? "import "crypto/rand": import path doesn't contain a hostname"
[15:02] <gary_poster> teknico, joining call...
[15:02] <gary_poster> thanks
[15:02] <benji> plus lots more of that form when doing "go get -v launchpad.net/juju-core/..."
[15:03] <bac> benji: no
[15:03] <gary_poster> I'm not that far yet :-/
[15:03] <hatch-mobile> good morning all
[15:03] <bac> hi hatch-mobile
[15:03] <gary_poster> hatch-mobile, I'm thinking you are not snowboarding this instant
[15:04] <hatch-mobile> Haha we still have a 8h drive to go
[15:05] <gary_poster> heh ok
[15:06] <frankban> anybody had this problem? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1651531/  (env never bootsrapped...)
[15:09] <benji> nope
[15:18] <bac> benji: is your GOPATH setup correctly and being populated?
[15:19] <benji> bac: I think so: 
[15:19] <benji> % echo $GOPATH
[15:19] <benji> /home/benji/workspace/go
[15:19] <bac> benji: and is there a src, bin, .... ?
[15:19] <benji> % ls /home/benji/workspace/go
[15:19] <benji> src
[15:19] <benji> no bin, I can't get that far (apparently)
[15:20] <bac> yep.  ok, just asking as that's the only thing i could think of
[15:20] <benji> bac: when running "go get -v launchpad.net/juju-core/...
[15:20] <benji> "  did you use sudo?
[15:22] <hatch-mobile> hey can someone invite me to the hangout once its started?
[15:22] <bac> benji: no, no need as it puts it in your GOPATH
[15:24] <hatch-mobile> I think it has to be someone who I have in my circles. for it to open on my phone 
[15:26] <bac> gary_poster: swap day submitted for approval
[15:26] <gary_poster> hatch-mobile, will do
[15:26] <gary_poster> bac, thanks
[15:28] <gary_poster> bac, approved, and lol on special attention to Wash. b'day
[15:28] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 2 on jujugui
[15:31] <hatch-mobile> well looks like it won't stay connected :) 
[15:32] <gary_poster> goodspud, on call
[15:36] <hatch-mobile> ya, doesn't look like its gona work. I'll try again tomorrow 
[15:45] <bac> gary_poster: we're still waiting on sprint officialness, right?
[15:45] <gary_poster> bac, yes.
[15:46] <bac> if the flights all sell out i can always hop a cruise ship
[15:48] <Makyo> Just so long as the engines don't catch fire.
[15:48] <teknico> uhm, now I'm worried about USA customs paperwork
[15:49] <teknico> can we temporarily move the city of Atlanta to Mexico?
[15:49] <teknico> or even better, to New Zealand!
[15:49] <Makyo> NZ seconded!
[15:51] <benji> I feel so lucky that I can drive to Atlanta instead of fly.  I am going to be very dissapointed if TSA agents erect a full-body scanner at the end of my driveway.
[16:04] <benji> bac: can you show me the results of "ll /usr/lib/go/pkg/linux_386" on your box?
[16:06] <teknico> benji, if it helps, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1652071/
[16:06] <benji> thanks teknico; that matches mine
[16:06] <benji> teknico: did you use sudo on any of the "go get" steps?
[16:07] <teknico> benji, I did not, and would have resisted doing so :-)
[16:08] <teknico> (would have resisted instructions of doing so, or something)
[16:18] <gary_poster> benji how long is drive?
[16:18] <benji> google says 3.5 hours, I suspect it is a tad longer than that
[16:23] <gary_poster> 6:14 for me...
[16:25] <benji> If it took that long for me I would still be tempted.  I don't hate flying, but I hate everything that happens before and after the flying. 
[16:27] <teknico> are trains so totally out of the question?
[16:28] <teknico> or out of the country
[16:28] <gary_poster> teknico, they are pretty bad south of Washington DC.  There's federal money to make them better through NC in the next few years.
[16:28] <gary_poster> But that still won't make them reasonable to Atalanta afaik
[16:28] <gary_poster> Atlanta
[16:29] <benji> yeah, few train routes around here
[16:30] <bac> benji: was that command 'll'?  what package provides it?
[16:30]  * gary_poster bets ls -l alias
[16:30] <benji> bac: alias for "ls -l"
[16:30] <bac> doh
[16:30]  * gary_poster wins bet with self
[16:30]  * gary_poster pays out
[16:30] <bac> i thought it was some linker resolver
[16:30] <benji> yep, I forget that it's not universal
[16:30]  * gary_poster goes to spend winnings
[16:31] <benji> heh
[16:31] <bac> benji: do you still need it?
[16:31] <benji> Welcome to PosVegas!
[16:31] <benji> bac: nope, Nicola gave me a listing
[16:31] <benji> I still don't know what is up with my go install though
[16:35] <benji> I wonder if population density is the main reason trains don't seem to work in the US.  Tennessee has a population density of 60 people/sq. km; Italy: 203 people/sq. km.
[16:49] <hazmat> have we tested the gui with local/lxc provider?
[16:53] <gary_poster> hazmat probably not.  We generally have found it to be flaky, I'm afraid, so we don't mess with it often.  I to think Thomas had some success with GUI + local though.  If you want more explicit local testing lemme know and I'll think about it.
[16:59] <frankban> gary_poster: success connecting to the gojuju ws (from python). however, "admin" does not seem to work: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1652391/
[17:00] <gary_poster> frankban, ack.  rogpeppe, ^^ ?
[17:00] <rogpeppe> frankban: you want "user-admin"
[17:01] <rogpeppe> frankban: nice to see BTW!
[17:01] <gary_poster> ah right!  you mentioned those prefixes, sorry rogpeppe .  thanks
[17:02] <benji> goodspud: take a look at https://ec2-54-234-178-140.compute-1.amazonaws.com/
[17:02] <frankban> rogpeppe: "user-admin" works, thank you
[17:02] <benji> firefox is acting wierd (it won't get past trying to connect to the environment; that might be a known bug with certs, but I am not sure)
[17:02] <goodspud> Thanks benji
[17:02] <rogpeppe> frankban: yay! you're in!
[17:03] <frankban> rogpeppe: so, an empty response means the login was ok
[17:03] <rogpeppe> frankban: yup
[17:03] <benji> teknico: you have a working go environment, right?  what is the output of "go env" on your machine?
[17:03] <rogpeppe> frankban: Error=="" => success
[17:04] <frankban> rogpeppe: cool
[17:04] <teknico> benji, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1652426/
[17:05] <rogpeppe> frankban: it's my plan to elide blank fields for brevity, so if Error isn't there, that should be taken as success too
[17:05] <gary_poster> benji, I get the same error in chrome and ff: the login fails
[17:05] <gary_poster> oh
[17:05] <gary_poster> yeah, uh, this is improv benji?
[17:05] <benji> gary_poster: I hacked it so there is a new password (which I forgot to mention) which is "xxx"  <-- goodspud 
[17:06] <benji> gary_poster: yep (a hacked one with a different password so we can demonstrate the full login process with waiting messages and all)
[17:06] <benji> thanks teknico 
[17:06] <gary_poster> benji, wfm on ff and chrome, though the process isn't quite the same as a real log in.  suggest hacking the config file for gui to remove password
[17:07] <benji> gary_poster: ah, that sounds better
[17:08] <benji> gary_poster: where is that config file (in a charm deployment)?
[17:08] <gary_poster> looking.
[17:13] <gary_poster> benji my guess from code: /var/lib/juju/units/juju-gui/juju-gui/build-prod/juju-ui/assets/config.js
[17:13]  * benji looks
[17:13] <frankban> gary_poster: do you have a minute for a quick hangout?
[17:13] <gary_poster> sure frankban 
[17:13] <gary_poster> juju gui
[17:15] <benji> gary_poster: close: /var/lib/juju//units/juju-gui-0/charm/juju-gui/build-prod/juju-ui/assets/config.js
[17:26] <gary_poster> benji cool
[17:27] <benji> goodspud: ok, I think that charm is working right now; you may need to clear your cache to get the up-to-date experience
[17:27] <gary_poster> hazmat https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charm.html#hooks does not list an upgrade hook.  Is there one in pyjuju?
[17:29] <hazmat> gary_poster, absolutely
[17:29] <hazmat> gary_poster, doc'd here .. https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charm-upgrades.html
[17:29] <goodspud> Roger benji. Just putting together a few notes which I'll email to you. Nothing major just some colour and positioning changes
[17:30] <benji> cool
[17:30] <hazmat> gary_poster, ugh.. sigh.. the docs have bit-rotted so badly..
[17:30] <hazmat> the futures bit there is done
[17:30] <gary_poster> awesome hazmat. thanks
[17:31] <gary_poster> hazmat will the upgrade-charm hook be called even if there is not a new version to which it should upgrade?
[17:31] <gary_poster> a new charm version
[17:31] <hazmat> gary_poster, no
[17:31] <gary_poster> dran
[17:31] <gary_poster> darn
[17:31] <gary_poster> ok thanks
[17:31] <hazmat> gary_poster, unless there is a new version number, new contents won't be put updated on disk
[17:32] <therve> hazmat, I'm testing the API using lxc, but I don't fire up the UI often
[17:39] <benji> goodspud: I take it that you are done looking.  If so I can kill the instance.
[17:40] <goodspud> benji
[17:40] <goodspud> Yes!
[17:40] <goodspud> sorry
[17:40] <benji> no worries
[18:38] <hazmat> bcsaller, for review.. small .. https://codereview.appspot.com/7341044
[20:48] <Makyo> Worst. Paired programming.  Ever.  http://ubuntuone.com/7lO0aUCl6cpkqDs4Grfe6o
[21:23]  * Makyo dogwalk.
[22:20] <gary_poster> Makyo, lol