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yofelhttps://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/+recipe/kubuntu-kdelibs-stable00:00
yofeland why are those builders running hardy o.O00:02
apacheloggerQuintasan: dunno, any of the berlin folks?00:18
Quintasanapachelogger: You are asking me that?00:22
apacheloggerwell you'd have to ask who has time :P00:23
Quintasanapachelogger: I don't have anyone particular in mind, I've joined this students org because it sounded like a good idea and it turned out those guys are behind one of those yearly Linux Sessions00:23
Quintasanapachelogger: and I kind of got pulled in (same as here if you ask me)00:24
apacheloggerwrite to kde-promo or kde-events or kde-devel00:24
QuintasanMmmkay.00:24
* Quintasan jots this down00:24
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Riddell!testers | new 12.04.2 candidates01:28
ubottunew 12.04.2 candidates: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information.01:28
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smartboyhwshadeslayer, PING02:20
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smartboyhw!testers | Precise 12.04.2 desktop/alternate 20130214 images has arrived and make sure Bug 1123126 doesn't exist anymore03:16
ubottubug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112312603:16
ubottuPrecise 12.04.2 desktop/alternate 20130214 images has arrived and make sure Bug 1123126 doesn't exist anymore: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information.03:16
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smartboyhwHmm can someone help test Wubi?06:16
smartboyhw:P06:16
ScottKNot really06:23
smartboyhwScottK, LOL06:24
* smartboyhw is testing the Kubuntu 12.04.2 desktop image (20130214)06:24
smartboyhwAt least that Bug 1123126 is fixed06:24
ubottubug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112312606:24
smartboyhwAnd I'm not seeing any problems!06:25
lordievaderWill do some testing this afternoon, I hope. Good that bug 1123126 is fixed :D. Have no Windows on my test machine, so I cannot test Wubi :(06:27
ubottubug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112312606:27
smartboyhwlordievader, me too no Windows06:27
smartboyhwI'm doing testing while typing up meeting minutes and doing some homework and such:P06:27
lordievaderUsually the same here, have one machine installing a test image, while I done somethin else :)06:29
ScottKThanks for testing.06:29
ScottKPretty much no one in Kubuntu has Windows they can test with, so don't worry too much about wubi.06:29
lordievaderWasn't 12.04.2 supposed to be released today? Is this the final image before release?06:32
smartboyhwJesus Edubuntu marked their images as ready already06:54
lordievaderThey only have 3 testcases... 2 are live sessions...06:57
smartboyhwlordievader, I want Ubuntu Studio to be marked ready soon also06:58
lordievaderTest it :) Gotta go to college, will be back in the afternoon.06:59
smartboyhwlordievader, :)07:01
smartboyhwAny testers doing Alpha 2 armhf+omap4? 08:18
shadeslayersmartboyhw: do you have hardware to test?08:24
smartboyhwshadeslayer, NO08:24
smartboyhwThat is the problem08:24
smartboyhwshadeslayer, BTW merge in https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/plasmate-copyright/+merge/148361 please08:25
smartboyhwThe copyright file is done08:25
shadeslayeryeah saw the email08:26
shadeslayerwill get to it :)08:26
shadeslayersmartboyhw: Riddell has hardware08:27
smartboyhwshadeslayer, :)08:27
shadeslayerand I think he was trying to test yesterday08:27
smartboyhwshadeslayer, oh great:P08:27
smartboyhwshadeslayer, and then?08:27
shadeslayerbut his computer kept crashing08:27
smartboyhwshadeslayer, !?08:27
shadeslayerdunno :P08:27
shadeslayerRiddell: errr ... plasma-mobile is still stuck in -proposed08:30
smartboyhwshadeslayer, along with cantata:P08:31
smartboyhwActually cantata needs waiting since it's NEW08:31
smartboyhwshadeslayer, but yours' shouldn't08:31
smartboyhwshadeslayer, in the Kubuntu Ninja pad "Plasma Active"section Why is plasma-active-maliit still on TODO?08:32
smartboyhwAnd actually, does that need an upgrade?08:32
smartboyhwHi skaet haven't *seen* you much on IRC since 12.10 release08:33
shadeslayerhmm , probably because thats one of the new packages that we want to do08:33
shadeslayerbut I don't remember the status of maliit08:33
skaethi smartboyhw. 08:33
smartboyhws/upgrade/update/08:33
kubotusmartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"08:33
smartboyhw!?08:33
shadeslayerif maliit is in, we can proceed with updating plasma-active-maliit08:34
smartboyhwshadeslayer, I mean: Does "Plasma Active" section on the pad need an active with latest status?08:34
smartboyhwshadeslayer, maliit is NOT in I think08:35
shadeslayermm08:41
shadeslayersmartboyhw: okay08:41
shadeslayersmartboyhw: leave it as TODO08:41
smartboyhwshadeslayer, OK08:41
shadeslayerI have some partial packaging for bodega-client if you want08:42
smartboyhwshadeslayer, not today....Testing more:P08:42
smartboyhwAnyone doing upgrade testcases? Would be difficult for me to do....08:42
shadeslayerheh okay08:44
shadeslayersmartboyhw: use a VM?08:44
smartboyhwshadeslayer, I know. It would take me ages to do the upgrade. Also we need to do upgrades from Lucid!!!!!!?!?08:45
shadeslayerheh yed08:45
smartboyhwshadeslayer, and I need to help Xubuntu too08:45
shadeslayer*yes08:45
shadeslayeralright, I'll cover those post lunch08:45
smartboyhwshadeslayer, I might do one from Oneiric to help08:45
shadeslayercool08:53
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kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1124972] plasma-desktop reset my session at every boot ! @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1124972 (by Raph)09:28
skaet_Riddell,  for Raring alpha 2 - is there someone lined up to test the armhf+omap4 image for Kubuntu or will it be dropped from the release?09:40
Riddellskaet_: well I tested it and it didn't work09:41
RiddellX didn't show up09:41
smartboyhwRiddell, ooh no09:41
Riddellso I should do some more tests and report a bug09:41
RiddellI suspect it's the same issue I had when I first got a pandaboard, X drivers don't like my DVI monitor09:42
Riddellsmartboyhw: but aye, drop it from release09:42
smartboyhwGrrrr Riddell you tell skaet_ that:P09:42
skaet_Riddell,  smartboyhw - ok.   consider it dropped09:42
Riddelloh yes09:43
Riddellskaet_: also upgrade didn't work09:43
skaet_Riddell,  ... that was going to be my next question.  :)09:43
smartboyhwRiddell, I and shadeslayer were almost going to test that:P09:44
smartboyhwRiddell, wait you mean 13.04 or 12.04.2?09:44
skaet_Riddell,  if there's a bug,  probably best to mention it in the alpha 2 notes then.09:44
Riddellskaet_: question is which do I start on, 12.04.2 or 13.04?09:45
smartboyhwRiddell, you mean BOTH upgrades failed!?09:45
Riddellsmartboyhw: no I mean I've not tested 12.04.209:45
Riddelland it's also due for release today so I should get onto it09:46
smartboyhwRiddell, ah.Try 12.04.2 upgrades. I will help test the alternates and desktops i386 images09:46
smartboyhwOthers are completed (mostly09:46
skaet_Riddell,   slangasek is pushing the bits on 13.04,  so later timezone,   so I'd recommend getting 12.04.2 is known state first, then getting 13.04.   09:49
Riddellwill do09:54
* smartboyhw is a bit dizzy now testing all day09:54
smartboyhwCurrent testing status:09:56
apacheloggerhello kids09:56
smartboyhwHey apachelogger 09:56
smartboyhwKubuntu Alternate amd64: All tests passed09:56
smartboyhwKubuntu Alternate i386 12.04.2 (same as above for 12.04.2): No test results submitted09:57
smartboyhwKubuntu Desktop amd64 12.04.2: 4 testcases passed out of 6 (2 others have not been completed, my fault)09:57
smartboyhwKubuntu Desktop i386 12.04.2: No test results submitted09:57
smartboyhwI now think of this: Maybe I should create a pad09:58
* smartboyhw calls for an etherpad09:58
Riddellsmartboyhw: iso.qa doesn't have enough status?09:58
smartboyhwRiddell, I want to list out both 12.04.2 and 13.04:P09:59
Riddellsmartboyhw: iso.qa has pages for both10:00
Riddellnot sure duplicating that information is a good idea10:00
smartboyhwRiddell, and I want to list out which testcases haven't been tested:P10:00
smartboyhwAnd tracking who's doing what:P10:00
shadeslayerRiddell: I'm testing upgrades from lucid to precise10:01
smartboyhwAnd I'm downloading 12.04.2 alternate i386 12.04.2 to test10:02
smartboyhwshadeslayer, you really are!10:02
smartboyhwYAY!10:02
shadeslayeryeah, going to take a bit of time10:02
Riddellsmartboyhw: iso.qa can also track who's doing what10:04
smartboyhwRiddell, how? I don't normally put "In Progress" test results;p10:04
smartboyhwAnyway, ANY MORE TESTERS!?10:04
shadeslayererrr10:04
shadeslayerwhere are the 10.04 images?10:05
shadeslayerall I see are DVD images10:05
shadeslayerhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04.4/release/10:05
smartboyhwshadeslayer, releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases10:05
shadeslayerhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04/release/10:05
smartboyhwshadeslayer, don't double post10:05
shadeslayernot double posting ;)10:05
smartboyhwDamn my link is wrong10:06
smartboyhwhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/oneiric/10:06
smartboyhwThis one is correct^10:06
smartboyhwshadeslayer, ^10:06
shadeslayeroneiric?10:06
smartboyhwOh sorry:p10:06
shadeslayeraren't we testing upgrades from LTS to LTS?10:06
shadeslayerhmm10:06
smartboyhwshadeslayer, http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/10:06
smartboyhwSorry:P10:06
shadeslayerright :)10:06
shadeslayerwe need to automate this stuff :P10:07
smartboyhw!testers | Please help test 12.04.2 images and upgrades10:07
ubottuPlease help test 12.04.2 images and upgrades: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information.10:07
smartboyhwTo get everybody testing:P10:07
* shadeslayer christens smartboyhw the QA master10:08
smartboyhwshadeslayer, LOL10:08
smartboyhwI just help whatever flavour they want:P10:09
apacheloggerohlol10:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: What does a deb file contain?10:09
smartboyhwohlol10:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: binary files?10:09
* smartboyhw agrees10:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: and meta stuff for dpkg10:10
apacheloggerjust as inprecise as last time10:10
apacheloggerI like found my questions for your kubuntudev intervu10:10
shadeslayerlol10:10
smartboyhwLOL10:10
shadeslayeriirc it's basically contains 2 tars inside itself10:10
shadeslayerone of them is the control tar and the other one contains the .so's and whatever we built10:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: better?10:12
apacheloggeryeah10:12
shadeslayer:P10:12
shadeslayerdoes anyone remember what that thing was called10:13
shadeslayerthat ubuntu uses for automated testing10:13
shadeslayerUTAH?10:14
smartboyhwshadeslayer, yep10:14
shadeslayercool10:14
smartboyhwUbuntu Automated Testing Harness10:14
smartboyhwIt is originally UATH, somebody changed it to UTAH10:15
shadeslayerI need to figure out their testing mechanisms so I can setup upgrade tests and what not10:15
shadeslayerso we don't do this manually every fricking time10:15
smartboyhwshadeslayer, yeah. Good job :D10:16
shadeslayeryeah, plan, do QA in the cloud10:16
shadeslayerand automate it10:16
shadeslayeralteast for x86 stuff10:17
smartboyhwshadeslayer, LIKE!10:17
shadeslayer:)10:21
shadeslayeroh god, this wallpaper makes me want to kill myself10:21
shadeslayerdoes anyone know if the UTAH team has a irc channel?10:23
shadeslayer#ubuntu-utah is invite only :P10:24
shadeslayerRiddell: I have no idea why plasma-mobile is still stuck10:25
shadeslayerdo you?10:25
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-grey.webm10:26
smartboyhwshadeslayer, try ask in #ubuntu-quality or should I ask it for you>10:26
smartboyhwshadeslayer, I have asked it for you10:27
smartboyhwwaiting for reply10:27
shadeslayerhmm10:35
shadeslayersmartboyhw: ./plasmate/previewer/plasmoid/test/main.cpp: BSD (2 clause)10:35
smartboyhwshadeslayer, damn:P10:35
smartboyhwwait then10:35
shadeslayerand other stuff that is BSD10:35
shadeslayerplease be fixing :)10:35
shadeslayer./engineexplorer/ktreeviewsearchline.cpp: LGPL (v2)10:36
shadeslayer./plasmate/packagemodel.h: GPL < that's GPL only ^_^10:36
shadeslayeractually, nvm10:37
shadeslayerthat's GPL-2+10:37
smartboyhwLOL10:37
Riddellshadeslayer: no neither do I but I'm afraid I need to test the relases today so no time to look at it10:48
shadeslayerRiddell: okay10:48
shadeslayerI'm testing as well today10:48
sheytanapachelogger: so you did it :D10:53
apacheloggeryou know it looks like10:53
apacheloggerit looks like osx10:53
apacheloggerthat's what it looks like10:53
apacheloggersilly grey10:53
sheytanbut this is not wrong.10:54
shadeslayerheh10:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: I hear people say OS X is awesome10:55
sheytani'm still at work, but when i come back home, you will see somethin :D10:55
shadeslayer:P10:55
sheytanshadeslayer: well for the first 10 minutes it is. Then you get bored couse there's nothing to configure :D10:55
shadeslayerhahaha10:55
apacheloggershadeslayer: so are dongs10:55
sheytani mean everything is done :D10:55
shadeslayerapachelogger: rofl10:55
sheytansomeone got nuno's mail?10:56
sheytane-mail address ofcourse10:56
shadeslayerpinheiro AT kde DOT org?10:56
apacheloggeralso a dong would be a very good progressbar10:56
shadeslayerjust guessing10:56
shadeslayerapachelogger: I think Trever would like that10:56
apacheloggereveryone would like that10:56
apacheloggershadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29610010:57
apacheloggeryour software is buggy and I do not know why10:57
ubottuKDE bug 296100 in general "The playback occasionally stops when automatically switching to the next song on the playlist" [Normal,Needsinfo: waitingforinfo]10:57
shadeslayerETOOMANYCOMMENTS10:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: I shall have a look next week, this week I want to finish ubiquity and gst porting10:58
shadeslayeronly have today and tomorrow to do that10:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: unless you want to implement the code for show()10:58
apachelogger2 things in 2 days10:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw10:58
apacheloggerthat's some plan10:58
apacheloggershadeslayer: I cannot for I have not signed the CLA thing10:59
shadeslayerwe have no snapshot API10:59
apacheloggerhm?10:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: you need to sign the CLA thing for contributing to Ubiquity?10:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: yes?10:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: pgst, current release has no snapshot API10:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: oh ... did not know that10:59
apacheloggerdoes not matter ... you can snapshot via qwidget IIRC11:00
apacheloggeror qpainter11:00
shadeslayerah okay11:00
apacheloggerthough11:00
apacheloggerthat may be scaled11:00
apacheloggerso11:00
apachelogger*shrug*11:00
apacheloggerotherwise we need to release stuffz11:00
shadeslayer:(11:00
apacheloggerand I have not removed qml from libphonon and pvlc yet11:00
shadeslayernor from pgst11:01
apacheloggerplus QA is sparse11:01
apacheloggershadeslayer: that's your job :P11:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: automate it! 11:01
shadeslayerheh :P11:01
shadeslayerI have it removed locally11:01
shadeslayerjust dropped the CPP's from CMakeList.txt ;)11:01
apacheloggeryou cannot automate multimedia QA :P11:01
apacheloggerthe tests phonon originally had were autogenerated simply setting all properties on an object, then calling all functions, then changing one property, then calling all functions, then check if properties are the same11:02
apacheloggerthat's how untestable that thing is :P11:02
shadeslayernonsense, you can automate everything, you just need to implement audio/video recognition to record stuff from the mike and compare it to the original audio/video11:02
apacheloggershadeslayer: won't work11:02
shadeslayer:P11:03
apacheloggerthere is an unknown amount of sampling going on11:03
shadeslayerah drat :(11:03
apacheloggerplus that in fact relies on the underlying library doing the right thing11:03
apacheloggerthat's a fallthrough test11:04
apacheloggeryou end up testing gstreamer, not pgst11:04
apacheloggertechnically what you need is a mock backend which actually does nothing to test libphonon, then you need a mock libphonon that does just about nothing but object construction and a mock version of vlc/gstreamer to test whether the backend behaves correctly11:07
apacheloggershadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+recipe/user-manager-daily11:17
apacheloggerowned by u11:17
shadeslayeroh11:18
shadeslayerokay11:18
shadeslayerchanged to kubuntu developers11:18
jussibah, torrents are really slow at the moment..11:35
Riddellsmartboyhw: on trying the i386 alternate Precise image I get no kernal modules found, you didn't get the same on amd64?11:38
smartboyhwRiddell, no....11:38
smartboyhwI did found it for i386 though11:38
smartboyhwRiddell, since you are testing it I'm going back to see if amd64 has that bug too 11:38
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smartboyhwRiddell, NO11:42
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smartboyhwI don't get that one in amd6411:42
smartboyhwchecked11:42
Riddellsmartboyhw: so i386 has it but not amd64?11:42
smartboyhwRiddell, yes11:42
Riddellvery strange11:42
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shadeslayerbah, do-release-upgrade downloading at 30 KBps11:53
apacheloggerspeedy11:55
apacheloggerkubotu: order coffee11:55
* kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.11:55
* apachelogger throws the milk back at kubotu11:56
apacheloggeryofel: is newpackage fixed yet btw?11:56
shadeslayermilk? :O12:00
apacheloggerI know12:01
shadeslayerI got weird looks from people at Akademy when I put milk in my coffee12:02
shadeslayerapparently I was commiting a crime12:02
Riddella crime against flavour12:05
shadeslayerwell ... European coffee is vastly different from what we get here12:08
lordievaderTime for some precise amd64 testing :D12:08
shadeslayerthe one we get here is supposed to be used with milk12:08
BluesKajHey all12:13
apacheloggerin austria it is also common to have coffee with milk12:14
apacheloggerand loads a sugar12:14
shadeslayer^^12:14
apacheloggerwhich actually makes for an entirely new flavor most of the time12:14
shadeslayerI tried having coffee without milk over here12:14
apacheloggerpersonally I like it raw12:14
shadeslayerit was crap12:14
shadeslayertoo bitter for me12:15
smartboyhwshadeslayer, got your auto-upgrade downloaded?:P12:15
Riddellhmm all this talk makes me want a coffee without milk12:15
shadeslayersmartboyhw: need to set it up, probably later on12:15
shadeslayerI'm still thinking whether to set it up on this Blue Systems server :P12:15
apacheloggerRiddell: better yet, one without and one with ^^12:16
apacheloggershadeslayer: auto-pgrade?12:16
* shadeslayer orders pizza12:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UpgradeTestingSetup12:16
sheytanhey guys. Is someone working on wifi setup in installer?12:17
sheytanand avatar support :D12:17
Riddellnot currently12:17
Riddellshadeslayer was doing avatar12:17
shadeslayersheytan: moi12:17
Riddellbut might have dropped it?12:17
shadeslayereh no12:17
sheytanthis is must have for 13.0412:17
shadeslayersheytan: I have a patch if you want it12:17
shadeslayersheytan: yes12:17
Riddelloh I thought xnox put you off by saying it wasn't going to be in ubuntu desktop12:17
sheytanshadeslayer: can't you apply it ?12:18
shadeslayerRiddell: apply it? it's not finished yet :)12:19
smartboyhwshadeslayer, review merge again. The copyright file is updated now12:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: how would that play with ppas tho?12:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: no idea12:19
sheytanshadeslayer: how can i test this?12:19
shadeslayerwe could set it up so that it plays nicely12:19
shadeslayersheytan: sec12:19
sheytansure12:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: I reckon for us ppa upgrades are the more interesting part12:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: true12:20
shadeslayersheytan:  http://paste.kde.org/671234/12:20
apacheloggerand to that extent we'd need a local ppa mirror12:20
shadeslayersheytan: install ubiquity-frontend-kde and then patch ubi-webcam.py12:20
apacheloggeri.e. there is an insane amount of upgrade paths with our ppa releases12:20
shadeslayersheytan: then run ubiquity from the command line12:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah12:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: your paste is missing ui btw :P12:22
shadeslayeroh true12:22
shadeslayersorry12:22
sheytanshadeslayer: so this is avatar support but what about the wifi?12:22
shadeslayersheytan: http://paste.kde.org/67124612:23
shadeslayersheytan: haven't started on that12:23
sheytanshadeslayer: ok, one more thing. Can you link me to the slideshows?12:23
sheytani will work on that too12:23
sheytancouse they SUCK a bit :)12:23
shadeslayersheytan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/files/head:/slideshows/kubuntu/slides/12:24
smartboyhwRiddell, did Bug 1125111 failed your install? Because I didn't12:24
ubottubug 1125111 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "no kernel modules found" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112511112:24
Riddellsmartboyhw: dunno I gave up when I saw it12:25
smartboyhwRiddell, it didn't fail for me12:25
Riddellit also didn't pass :)12:25
smartboyhwRiddell, so what is it!?12:26
smartboyhwLOL12:26
* sheytan is happy to have stuff to work on today evening12:26
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HaSzD17HULE/URbUZVcnrAI/AAAAAAAACMM/0YE9x5_-qnM/s1600/installer-prepare.png12:26
shadeslayerruh roh12:27
shadeslayerTMI12:27
shadeslayeratleast IMHO12:27
shadeslayerclubbing WiFi and codecs does not make sense12:27
shadeslayerplus, codecs should come after network selection12:27
shadeslayerand should only be activated if a active network connection was found12:28
shadeslayerI'm off for a bit12:29
shadeslayercya12:29
apacheloggerstop bickering about ubiquity12:29
apacheloggerI need a boot splash12:29
apacheloggerway more important12:29
shadeslayerlul12:29
apachelogger... I need to change the splash, grub, the text splash and the CD menu12:29
apacheloggerall with some sort of coherent coloring and shit12:30
apacheloggerso I'd rather have a splash than wifi selection in ubiquity12:30
smartboyhwRiddell, looking at the code (ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.precise), it just doesn't make sense it doesn't work12:31
Riddellsmartboyhw: no it's not fair, hoping cjwatson will find the reason12:32
davmor2shadeslayer, apachelogger: the codecs aren't just codecs it is also the installer for the proprietary wifi drivers so need to go before the wifi section12:32
smartboyhwRiddell, yeah12:32
sheytanapachelogger: wait till evening12:34
davmor2shadeslayer, apachelogger: I've asked about it several time on the Ubuntu ubiquity version12:35
apacheloggerin that case it needs to look different12:35
apacheloggershould be a button "install me drivers, yo!"12:35
apacheloggeranything other than that is simply silly12:36
smartboyhwSo Riddell will we be able to release alternates at all?12:36
smartboyhwI mean i38612:36
Riddellsmartboyhw: I don't want to release it with this bug12:36
smartboyhwRiddell, hmm. How about amd64?12:37
RiddellI guess that's fine12:37
yofelapachelogger: I'm good at not finding time for a "proper" fix. But I guess I can make it "repr(version) > '1.9'" for now12:39
yofelwhich should(?) work12:39
RiddellI wonder if we should add this patch https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdepimlibs/repository/revisions/2239fb22ea1bb59fced36f2807ec257cd29c7fa912:42
RiddellFix kde Bug 315115 - Akonadi Firstrun doesn't work12:42
ubottuKDE bug 315115 in kpimutils "Akonadi Firstrun doesn't work" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31511512:42
smartboyhwRiddell, why not?12:42
Riddellsmartboyhw: cos it's effort and the fix will come with 4.10.112:43
smartboyhwRiddell, how many Ubuntu users are affected?12:44
Riddellsmartboyhw: by the pim bug?12:44
smartboyhwRiddell, yep12:44
RiddellI've no idea, I haven't investigated at all12:45
* smartboyhw is trying to see if Xubuntu has that module thing too...12:45
yofelapachelogger: "fixed"12:47
yofelat least the check now is confirmed to work in python2.6 in lucid12:47
shadeslayerRiddell: will 4.10.1 be before our final release?12:51
Riddellshadeslayer: I think so, it's .2 we'll be missing isn't it?12:51
shadeslayerI /think/ so too12:51
shadeslayerjust wanted to confirm12:51
shadeslayerdoesn't really make sense then12:52
Riddellwell it's easy to look up the schedule pages, I'm just too lazy to do so :)12:52
shadeslayer^_^12:52
ovidiu-florinhello world :D12:52
Riddellhi ovidiu-florin 12:52
ovidiu-florinRiddell: are you also envolved in KDE development?12:53
Riddellovidiu-florin: a wee bit yes12:53
smartboyhwRiddell, cjwatson suggested it was because -generic vs. -generic-pae12:53
smartboyhwGrrrr12:53
* smartboyhw goes to the piano to practise (don't worry, my computer is next to it)12:53
ovidiu-florinRiddell: Can you give me some advice, as to what I have to study to become eligible to this Google Summer of code KDE projects?12:54
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, include me in:P12:54
Riddellovidiu-florin: what do you want to know?12:56
ovidiu-florinI haven't developed any KDE apps Yet, But I have some experience in Qt12:57
Riddella good start12:57
ovidiu-florinI'll go ove the KDE techbase, and experiment with it a little12:57
ovidiu-florinwhat else do I have to do?12:57
Riddellshow you can code :)12:57
Riddellfind a bug and fix it12:58
smartboyhwI really like packaging and QA more than dev....:P12:58
ovidiu-florinI don't understand how an application is structured,or how to make a structure to conform the KDE guidelines12:58
ovidiu-florinhow/where can I learn this?12:59
Riddellovidiu-florin: each application will be different12:59
ovidiu-florinby structured I mean how to organize it and it's files12:59
Riddellbut start off by picking a simple one12:59
Riddellmaybe a game 12:59
Riddelland check it out from git and compile it12:59
ovidiu-florinI want to build something that uses plugins, I've started the research for it13:00
ovidiu-florinIt's a CRM, that can be extended for any domain13:00
Riddellplugins have their uses but don't over-use them, I had to remove a load of plugin cruft from umbrello because it was just getting in the way13:00
ovidiu-florinI don't have that much experience in that area...13:01
ovidiu-florinI know how to do simple applications but not more...13:01
Riddellright, uni and books will give you the simple applications13:02
Riddellanything complex needs experience13:02
ovidiu-florinMaybe I could make a minesweeper  replica, but  I'll get lost in the GUI..13:02
Riddellit's how I got into Umbrello.  "oh so how do you actually code an undo feature?"...13:02
ovidiu-florinand it will take me a lot of time...13:03
Riddelllearning to code is not a quick thing13:03
ovidiu-florinI understand that13:03
ovidiu-florin(am I spamming the channel?)13:03
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, it's alright13:04
ovidiu-florinis this considered off topic?13:04
lordievaderovidiu-florin: I don't think you are spamming, it's a nice conversation, quite interesting.13:04
Riddellwe're here to help new developers 13:04
ovidiu-florinI got kicked out from CentOS for asking how to build RPM packages (needed for work). That/'s why I'm asking13:05
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, how come!?!?!?!13:05
smartboyhwridiculous13:05
smartboyhwThey can't do that13:05
ovidiu-florinnevermind that.. not important...13:05
lordievaderNice community over there... pffft13:05
Riddellyou'd get kicked out if you asked that here, but .deb packages we'd happily help you with :)13:05
ovidiu-florinI believe I've asked that here, haven't I?13:06
ovidiu-florinif not, then that means I only asked in Kubuntu and ubuntu-ro13:06
ovidiu-florinok, so back to what Riddell sayd, fix a bug?13:07
ovidiu-florinthere's a problem in dolphin I'd love to fix13:07
ovidiu-florinit freezes when I right click on any file..13:08
ovidiu-florinon Kubntu 12.04 with backports, so KDE 4.1013:08
ovidiu-florinI think there's a bug report on that13:08
Riddellovidiu-florin: I confirm13:09
Riddellthat'll be it looking up what actions can be done on that file13:09
Riddellwhich is probably code somewhere in kdelibs13:10
ovidiu-florinhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305206 this is similar, but only dolphin freezes, not plasma13:10
ubottuKDE bug 305206 in general "right-clicking a file/folder in dolpin causes kactivitiesmanagerd to get stuck and plasma to freeze" [Normal,Confirmed]13:10
Riddellsplitting up that sort of code or adding a cache is probably tricky13:10
Riddellnew 12.04.2 i386 | testers13:10
Riddellno13:11
Riddell!testers | new 12.04.2 i38613:11
ubottunew 12.04.2 i386: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information.13:11
smartboyhwRiddell, OK13:12
smartboyhwI need to end the Xubuntu installation. Shouldn't take 3 minutes to restart a Kubuntu one13:12
lordievaderRiddell: Downloading now :)13:12
smartboyhwlordievader, you zsyncing or downloading the whole file?13:13
ovidiu-florinI have to go to work, I'l come back online from there13:13
ovidiu-florinbe right back13:13
ovidiu-florin;)13:13
ovidiu-florinthanks13:13
lordievadersmartboyhw: Zsyncing but I did not already have an older image, so it is downloading the whole file for now.13:14
smartboyhwzsyncing13:16
smartboyhwRiddell, testing13:17
smartboyhwRiddell, I don't think I saw the error again13:20
sheytanapachelogger: can you fade-in a background image from black solid color in lightdm?13:23
Riddellsmartboyhw: lovely13:25
smartboyhwRiddell, :)13:25
lordievaderMy live-usb of alternate i386 fails at the detect cdrom step... gonna see if re-making it will fix this problem.13:29
apacheloggersheytan: yeah13:29
apacheloggerin lightdm we can do almost anything13:29
sheytanapachelogger: so imagine...13:30
apacheloggerin plymouth we have a whole bunch of limitations13:30
MirvRiddell: can you push the release commits of qtbase/qtdeclarative/qtwebkit to bzr?13:30
sheytanwe have a black screen with a glowing logo like you just did. Then we disappear the logo, fade-in the background and other ldm stuff13:30
apacheloggerthat could work13:31
sheytanyeah13:31
sheytanand this won't be disturbing couse the background is really dark13:31
sheytanit will look like we fade in only the noise effect from the background13:32
sheytancan you make a demo?13:32
sheytanand please, glow the logo with white, not blue :)13:32
apacheloggerhave you heared back from nuno on the background yet?13:32
sheytannope13:32
apachelogger:S13:33
sheytanwrote him an email13:33
apacheloggerdemo will take a while13:33
sheytanok13:33
RiddellMirv: oh sure sorry13:35
Riddellovidiu-florin: tried searching for junior jobs?13:40
Riddellsome projects mark bugs as junior jobs for people getting into contributing13:41
ovidiu-florinon kde bugs?13:41
ovidiu-florinRiddell: ^13:41
smartboyhwovidiu-florin, think so13:42
Riddellovidiu-florin: yes13:42
smartboyhwRiddell, phew must all testcases be pased!?13:42
Riddellsmartboyhw: yep13:42
smartboyhwRiddell, god. OK13:42
Riddella release is no small task13:43
ovidiu-florinRiddell: thank's13:43
ovidiu-florinI'm at work right now, so I'll look over some as soon as I get some time13:43
agateauRiddell: hi, I'd like to do some work on ubiquity tomorrow, is the bug regarding partition names not being shown still valid?13:43
smartboyhwshadeslayer, you said you are doing the lucid -> precise upgrades how's it going!?13:43
shadeslayerslow13:44
smartboyhwGrrr13:44
Riddellagateau: oh cool, yes it is13:44
agateauRiddell: ok. Any hint on how to set things up to work on ubiquity?13:44
shadeslayeragateau: install ubiquity-frontend-kde and modify the files?13:45
Riddellagateau: there's a bunch of work items we also had for ubiquity13:45
shadeslayerit's all python13:45
shadeslayersmartboyhw: http://i.imgur.com/K4PeYJs.png13:45
agateaushadeslayer: I mean: how do you test it?13:45
smartboyhwshadeslayer, oh no. 26 min 27 s Hmmm.....13:45
Riddellagateau: if it's before the install step you can just do it locally but after you need to work on a virtual machine or a live system you don't care about doing the install on13:45
shadeslayeragateau: just run ubiquity from the terminal :)13:45
shadeslayerRiddell: you could also adjust the weighting so it appears before the install step13:46
shadeslayersee http://paste.kde.org/671246 for an example on how to do that13:46
Riddellaye13:46
shadeslayerer13:46
shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/671234/13:46
agateauRiddell: I take it partitioning is before the install step13:46
shadeslayeragateau: yeah, though if you're hacking on the partition steps, a VM would be better13:47
Riddellagateau: well it is the install step so be careful :)13:47
agateauyeah, and I need a windows partition to reproduce it13:47
agateau"it" being the bug I am after13:48
shadeslayersmartboyhw: 26 mins when I get a good download speed :P13:48
smartboyhwshadeslayer, I saw it from imgur:P13:48
shadeslayer^_^13:48
RiddellMirv: qtwebkit committed, qtbase and qtdeclarative seem to already be there13:49
smartboyhwDamn real tired from at least 9 hours of testing13:55
MirvRiddell: I think those are the rejected ones13:55
Riddellsmartboyhw: don't burn out!13:56
smartboyhwRiddell, interesting look at the "Precise 12.04.2" section of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers13:56
Mirvand then had the copyright fixes added before reuploading13:56
ovidiu-florinMy computer is frozen, reooting13:56
* shadeslayer hides14:00
smartboyhwshadeslayer, why? (yawns)14:00
* yofel is invisible since long ago14:01
shadeslayersmartboyhw: I'm not on that link :P14:01
shadeslayerhehe14:01
smartboyhwshadeslayer, ?14:01
shadeslayersmartboyhw: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers14:01
smartboyhwshadeslayer, ah:P14:01
smartboyhwRiddell, is it that we can skip Wubi?14:03
ovidiu-florinwhat is virtuoso-t ? (a process in System Activity hogging the CPU)14:04
Riddellsmartboyhw: mm well I can't test it at least14:04
Riddellovidiu-florin: ooh that waskely nepomuk14:04
agateauRiddell: do you have the url for ubiquity work items?14:04
ovidiu-florincan I kill it?14:04
smartboyhwRiddell, I think we need to skip it. NO testers at all14:04
Riddellagateau: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-ubiquity-other14:05
Riddellovidiu-florin: yes14:05
Riddellsmartboyhw: yeah likely, we'll need to beg skaet_ for forgiveness14:05
ovidiu-florinit came back14:05
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: yeah, don't kill it, nepomuk will start it automagically14:05
smartboyhwRiddell, I think she will14:06
shadeslayerjust let it do it's thing, it'll consume some CPU cycles for 20-30 minutes14:06
shadeslayerand then quiet down14:06
ovidiu-florinah....14:06
shadeslayerif you want to completely kill it, you'll have to stop nepomuk, log out and login14:07
ovidiu-florinno, it's just that I can barely work....14:08
ovidiu-florinmy CPU is always at 80% or more14:08
shadeslayeroh14:08
smartboyhwI really can't understand why a 14-year-old can survive through that many long hours of testing...I need to re-study Physics or Biology14:08
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: can you run nepomukcleaner if you're on 4.10 once virtuoso-t dies down14:09
agateauRiddell: thanks14:09
ovidiu-florinshadeslayer: it calmed down now...14:09
Riddellsmartboyhw: bah, it'll look much better on your CV being an elite kubuntu dev rather than getting an A in biology :)14:09
ovidiu-florinit's at ~5%14:09
smartboyhwRiddell, LOL14:09
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: ah, okay, try and run nepomukcleaner14:09
smartboyhwRiddell, I think I am elite Kubuntu dev and elite (really) Kubuntu tester:P14:10
smartboyhwRiddell, I am actually elite Kubuntu packager14:10
smartboyhwI know nothing about dev14:10
smartboyhwI do know a bit C++, C, VB and Java14:10
smartboyhwBut I'm CRAP in programming:P14:10
shadeslayerhuzzah 95% complete14:16
Riddellsmartboyhw: that's about 4 more programming languages than I knew when I was 14 :)14:17
Riddellassuming you don't count GWBasic as a programming language14:17
smartboyhwRiddell, LOL14:17
smartboyhwI don't know GWBasic though14:17
smartboyhwshadeslayer, huzzah14:17
Riddellshadeslayer: what's that?14:18
shadeslayerRiddell: upgrade from Lucid -> Precise14:18
shadeslayeri38614:18
smartboyhwYepee14:18
smartboyhwBut we still got oneiric -> Precise14:18
smartboyhwAnd I don't have time for that....14:18
shadeslayerjust taking an insane amount of time because the server doesn't have enough bandwidth I guess14:18
shadeslayeror the archive is just under alot of load14:19
Riddellshadeslayer: you doing a local upgrade?14:20
shadeslayerRiddell: hah no, it's in a KVM on a server in the UK :P14:20
smartboyhwshadeslayer, !14:22
Riddellshadeslayer: using vnc or console?14:22
smartboyhwRiddell, I will make i386 alternate ready before 14:22 GMT I think14:22
smartboyhw(i.e. all testcases are completed)14:23
smartboyhwIt's working great now14:23
smartboyhwNo that such big bugs happening14:23
shadeslayerVNC :)14:24
smartboyhw:)14:24
smartboyhwDamn it it should be 14:52 GMT14:24
smartboyhwRiddell, sorry wrong time:P14:24
shadeslayerRunning lucid seems like such a blast from the past14:35
smartboyhwshadeslayer, LOL14:35
smartboyhwRiddell, i386 alternates all done:)14:42
smartboyhwRiddell, I think from the ISO QA Tracker except Wubi everything is alright!!!!14:42
Riddellsmartboyhw: great, thanks so much for testing those14:47
smartboyhwRiddell, :)14:47
Riddelloh and 13.04 is all good too http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/255/builds14:50
Riddellmaybe I will get to go on this valentines date after all :)14:50
smartboyhwRiddell, see ya?:P14:51
genii-aroundRiddell: You work hard, I hope your Valentines date works out, you deserve it.14:52
* smartboyhw +1's genii-around's message14:52
Riddellhttps://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/12.04.2-release is ready to be published when it gets released14:58
Riddelllots of updated needed on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download-lts14:58
smartboyhwRiddell, /me can't read it:P14:58
lordievaderYayy \o/15:03
shadeslayer:)15:05
smartboyhwYay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay \o/\o/\o/\o/15:06
Riddelllordievader: all because of you!15:06
shadeslayerfun, Qt Contributor summit to be hosted along with Akademy15:06
Riddellthat out yet?15:06
shadeslayerIt was on facebook15:07
smartboyhwshadeslayer, still doing the upgrades?:P15:07
shadeslayerso I guess yes?15:07
shadeslayersmartboyhw: heh yes :P15:07
shadeslayerRiddell: http://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt-contributor-summit-join-forces15:07
smartboyhwshadeslayer, you said it was 95 percent15:07
shadeslayersmartboyhw: 95% downloaded15:07
shadeslayerit's unpacking stuff now15:07
smartboyhwshadeslayer, OK15:07
smartboyhwThat should be faster15:07
Riddellshadeslayer: go seaLne 15:07
lordievaderRiddell: Hehe, thanks. But smartboyhw deserver more praise. As do you!15:08
shadeslayer:D15:08
smartboyhw:D15:08
lordievaderdeserve*15:08
shadeslayerRiddell: indeed :)15:08
smartboyhw:)15:08
* Riddell out for a bit15:15
smartboyhwRiddell, for your Valentine date?15:15
smartboyhw(LOL)15:15
Riddellsmartboyhw: not yet, some hours to go for that15:16
lordievaderHehe :)15:16
smartboyhwRiddell, LOL15:16
smartboyhwThank you Riddell ScottK shadeslayer lordievader apachelogger and anyone would made Raring Alpha 2 and 12.04.2 possible15:17
shadeslayersleeeeeepppyyyyy :(15:18
smartboyhwextremely tired15:18
lordievadersmartboyhw: You forgot to add yourself to the list ;) It's awesome to be part of the Kubuntu Tester Team, I should have joined earlier!15:18
smartboyhwlordievader, no no no it's just service. I do it for 3 flavours:P15:19
ScottKlordievader: Thanks' for showing up now.  It really is a big help for the development process to have people helping out with the testing.15:19
lordievadersmartboyhw: Nice :)15:19
smartboyhwlordievader, I just love ISO testing15:20
lordievaderScottK: No problem, as I said, it's awesome :)15:20
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
shadeslayerupgrade pretty much done btw15:33
shadeslayerhuzzah15:35
shadeslayerI have a desktop after upgrade15:35
smartboyhwshadeslayer, that's great!:P15:36
smartboyhwBye guys15:45
lordievaderSleep well, smarter 15:45
lordievadersmartboyhw ^15:45
lordievaderThat was too late...15:45
yofel__smartboyhw: that was a short break :P15:55
smartboyhwI should be asleep. Using mobilr15:55
yofel__thanks to all the testers from my side too (as I didn't get to do much :/)15:56
smartboyhws/mobilr/mobile/15:56
kubotusmartboyhw meant: "I should be asleep. Using mobile"15:56
yofel__hehe15:56
murthyhello everyone16:14
lordievaderHey murthy How are you?16:14
murthylordievader: fine, you?16:14
smartboyhwhi murthy16:15
lordievaderYeah doing good :) 12.04.2 and raring alpha 2 are ready for release :D16:15
smartboyhwyay16:16
murthykubotu: cool16:16
murthysmartboyhw: hi16:16
murthysmartboyhw: cantata?16:17
murthyshadeslayer: hi16:17
murthyshadeslayer: ati driver issue fixed?16:17
smartboyhwHaven't checked yet,I just went through 10 hours of testing 16:17
murthysmartboyhw: nice16:18
murthysmartboyhw: how is the quality?16:18
smartboyhwGreat!16:18
murthylordievader: when will raring alpa 2 be released?16:19
lordievadermurthy: Today :D16:20
smartboyhwlol16:20
murthysmartboyhw: I feel day by the quality is getting and one day even the beta will have no bugs16:20
murthysmartboyhw: I feel day by the quality is getting good and one day even the beta will have no bugs16:20
murthylordievader: today , when/16:20
murthylordievader: today , when?16:20
smartboyhwmurthy: yay16:20
lordievadermurthy: Phew that is something I do not know... I've only been a tester for a week ;)16:21
murthylordievader: thats ok, I am very eager :)16:21
sheytandid somebody removed the sharing KCM already?16:29
smartboyhw?16:29
sheytanand btw there was someone working on this16:29
sheytanto improve it16:29
sheytanshadeslayer: wasn't this you ^ ?16:30
skaet_Riddell, just to confirm,  you're good with publishing the alpha 2 images?    I'm noticing them marked as ready now.  :)16:53
Riddellskaet_: yep i386, amd64 and active i386 good to go16:53
Riddellhowever I need to do the release pages16:54
Riddellskaet_: where's your release notes?16:54
smartboyhwRiddell: You stillhaven16:55
smartboyhw't written the post?16:55
smartboyhwThat's a surprise16:55
shadeslayersheytan: nope16:55
skaet_Riddell,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/Alpha2/Kubuntu is what's been pulled together so far.   Feel free to add more Kubuntu specific.16:58
Riddellskaet_: ooh you have done that, lovely :)16:58
skaet_Riddell,  after its published,  you'll be sending out the email is my assumption.16:58
skaet_s/its/the images/16:58
kubotuskaet_ meant: "Riddell,  after the images published,  you'll be sending out the email is my assumption."16:58
skaet_:)  /me likes kubotu16:59
* smartboyhw too16:59
Riddellskaet_: "Kubuntu should now be able to support UEFI Secure Boot" hmm I don't think anyone has tested that17:05
skaet_Riddell,  strike it then17:07
skaet_:)17:07
Riddellskaet_: well shouldn't doesn't mean it does17:07
skaet_(or rather,  not really happy we haven't tested it, but let doc reflect what's known)17:08
smartboyhwit should17:08
Riddells/shouldn't/should/17:08
kubotuRiddell meant: "skaet_: well should doesn't mean it does"17:08
skaet_Riddell,  indeed.   17:09
=== smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw
agateauRiddell: I am going to install raring in a vm to work on ubiquity. If I create a second hard drive for this vm, I should be able to tell ubiquity to install on the 2nd drive, right?17:32
Riddellagateau: using the manual installer yes17:32
agateauRiddell: ok17:33
* Riddell makes https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/13.04-alpha2 ready for when it appears17:42
smartboyhwYay17:43
shadeslayerRiddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kubuntu_12.jpg needs fixing some time17:50
Riddellshadeslayer: why? that's our released version17:52
shadeslayerno compositing :P17:52
Riddellhow can you tell?17:52
Riddelloh the panel17:52
shadeslayerright :)17:53
afiestasI have been thinking that KScreen is showing to be quite stable18:04
smartboyhwgood18:04
afiestasFedora will have it... which let me to the question: should we put it as well?18:04
smartboyhwafiestas: We already HAVE kscreen in Ubuntu18:05
afiestassmartboyhw: by default I mean18:05
smartboyhwafistas: That's one of the suggestion in the Etherpad18:06
shadeslayeruh18:07
shadeslayerafiestas: kscreen is already seeded18:07
shadeslayerby default18:07
smartboyhwlol18:07
Riddellwe already have it on the CD18:07
Riddellinfact it should be added to the alpha 2 wiki page18:07
Riddellbut what still needs done is removing xrandr18:07
shadeslayerheh18:08
shadeslayerafiestas: http://paste.kde.org/671558/18:08
smartboyhwShouldn't be difficult...18:08
Riddellwell if you're looking for something to do smartboyhw.. :)18:08
afiestasok, it is on then !18:08
afiestaspackage snapshot for alpha2 if possible18:09
afiestaswe fixed almost all reproted bug18:09
afiestas*reported18:09
smartboyhwTmr. It's 2:09 AM now18:09
Riddelltime to sleep smartboyhw!18:09
smartboyhwyep18:10
shadeslayerRiddell: how about adding that users should hold off reporting bugs against kscreen for a bit18:12
shadeslayerlike a week, which would give us enough time to update it and push it out18:12
afiestasAny concrete issue in Kubuntu alpha1/2 I should look at?18:12
Riddellwell it's not on the wiki page at all for now18:12
shadeslayernone that I know of18:12
RiddellI'm going out in about 15 minutes, anyone around to publish the website articles and send out the email?18:15
Riddellskaet_: can you send out the alpha 2 e-mail?18:16
skaet_Riddell,  I'm heading out as well (in Cambridge UK)18:17
skaet_sorry.   :(   18:18
=== murthy is now known as murthy_
danttirbelem: around?18:21
rbelemdantti, yup :-)18:21
danttican you join kde-brasil and tell Freax how to setup the samba share thing?18:22
danttirbelem: is it upstream already no?18:22
dantti#kde-brasil18:22
rbelemdantti, yup :-)18:23
RiddellI'm off out, please shadeslayer or ScottK or someone with the password update URLs and publish stories when announce goes out18:35
Riddellalso I sent an e-mail to u-d-a list for slangasek to approve18:36
shadeslayeruhh .... what time are they suppossed to go out?18:36
Riddellshadeslayer: whenever the e-mails appear on ubuntu-devel-announce18:36
Riddellit's all syncing now18:36
shadeslayeroh ok18:36
shadeslayerI'm probably up for another hour18:36
Riddellyou might catch it then18:37
RiddellI think 12.04.2 will be first18:37
shadeslayerokay18:37
* shadeslayer will keep an eye out18:37
=== jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine
shadeslayeris 12.04.2 out?19:24
shadeslayerMythbuntu published their story19:25
yofel_shadeslayer: any idea what's wrong here? http://paste.kde.org/67159419:33
yofel_bzr-builder on launchpad crashes19:33
yofel_and running the raring one locally ends with19:33
yofel_bzr: ERROR: Invalid deb-version: {debupstream}+git20130214~d76da76-0~483~raring1: Invalid version string '{debupstream}+git20130214~d76da76-0~483~raring1'19:33
yofel_as debupstream isn't replaced19:33
shadeslayerhm19:33
shadeslayerpossibly etooold bzr-builder?19:33
yofel_well, for launchpad I blame the hardy xen image that runs python2.519:34
yofel_but here I have bzr-builder 0.7.3-0ubuntu119:34
yofel_and debupstream is supported since ages19:34
shadeslayerhmm19:35
shadeslayerboog? but really, I have no idea19:35
shadeslayerwhy it would fail19:35
* yofel_ runs apt-get source bzr-builder19:35
yofel_{debupstream:packaging} works, so bug in either bzr-builder or docs19:47
yofel_that strips the epoch though19:47
yofel_shadeslayer: having bzr-builder fall apart on me because of kdelibs feels like neon all over again :D19:48
shadeslayerheh19:48
shadeslayeryofel_: do you have admin access to release stories and what not?19:53
yofel_release stories? If you mean www-admin, I do19:53
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
shadeslayeryeah, awesome19:53
shadeslayerI'm probably going to head off to bed in 10-15 minutes19:53
yofelI'm not exaclty sure what to do there either. The images are in place, but I see no official announcement so far19:54
yofelmaybe we should just go ahead?19:54
yofelthe 12.04 download page needs editing after that19:55
shadeslayerhmm, true19:56
yofelerrrr19:56
yofelit needs editing *now*19:56
yofelas the images were already replaced19:56
yofelI'll do it19:56
shadeslayeroh19:56
shadeslayerokay19:56
shadeslayerI thought the old images are kept19:57
yofelhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent19:57
yofel-> 40419:57
shadeslayeroh19:57
shadeslayerbtw19:57
shadeslayerDownload the Kubuntu installer to create your own installation CD. The download process can take a while, depending on your connection speed. 19:57
shadeslayercan you also fix that while you're at it19:57
shadeslayerpeople are downloading the ISO, not a "Kubuntu installer"19:57
yofel"Download the Kubuntu installer to create your own installation CD." er, what?19:57
shadeslayeryeah :P19:58
yofelah ok19:58
yofelyeah, *that* makes sense19:58
shadeslayeryofel: http://store.steampowered.com/sale/linux_release20:00
shadeslayerincase you missed it20:00
yofelI did, niiiice :D20:01
shadeslayer:)20:02
shadeslayerjust noticed in #kubuntu-offtopic20:02
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ^20:02
JontheEchidnaniceee20:02
yofelok, image links fixed20:09
yofel"Wubi is an officially supported Kubuntu installer for Windows users ..."20:10
yofeluhm20:10
yofelwell, whatever20:10
lordievaderNo one tested that on the 12.04.2 image :P20:11
yofelI guess I could use my windows VM to give it a try. It "worked" in quantal. worked in large quotes20:12
lordievaderHehehe ;)20:12
shadeslayerstuff released20:15
shadeslayergo go go go20:15
yofeldone20:20
sneleguys does 12.04.2 have kernel and mesa from quantal?20:20
yofelnope20:20
sneleok thanks20:20
yofel(nobody really notified us about that and we noticed too late that this was planned20:21
yofel)20:21
yofelsnele: that counts only for the image though, you can still download those from the archive20:21
shadeslayeractually, it was on ubuntu-devel , we just didn't realize that it won't be updated automagically20:22
shadeslayersearch for "LTS Enablement Stack"20:22
sneleyofel: shadeslayer: and how is that meta package called (which pulls kernel mesa etc from quantal) ?20:23
sneleI read somewhere that this kind of meta package should exist but I cannot find it in muon20:23
shadeslayeryeah20:23
snelelts-quantal something I think20:23
shadeslayersomething something lts something20:23
shadeslayerI don' remember 20:23
shadeslayeryeah20:23
snele:)20:23
shadeslayersomething like that :P20:23
yofelsnele: that's what you can choose from: http://paste.kde.org/67166620:25
yofelshadeslayer: ah, but that's like september. No wonder everyone forgot20:25
shadeslayeryofel: yeah :)20:26
apacheloggersheytan: ping20:26
shadeslayershould have been sent again atleast 2-3 weeks before release20:26
sheytanapachelogger: pong20:26
apacheloggersheytan: how to do a white glow?20:27
yofelshadeslayer: well, cj said that he forgot to do that, so nvm I guess20:27
apacheloggerlike I suppose the gear parts need some sort of border or something20:27
apacheloggerotherwise white gears + white glow would look like blurry white gears, no?20:27
sheytanapachelogger: they don't just try as you already done but with white color20:27
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/14/plasma-desktopTP2166.png20:30
sheytanif you don't put much glow20:30
sheytanit won't20:30
sheytanthis could be good ;)20:30
apacheloggermhh20:30
apacheloggerlooks a bit weird just now20:30
apacheloggerwith all three glowy20:30
sheytanplease try a white logo with white glow without borders20:30
sheytanbut don't put much glow20:30
shadeslayerapachelogger: try glowing one of the gear thingy at a time?20:37
shadeslayerand make them glow clockwise or sth?20:37
afiestashttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287513#c920:45
ubottuKDE bug 287513 in general "Plasma crashes soon after login" [Crash,Unconfirmed]20:45
yofelis jockey broken? -> #kubuntu20:51
yofelnot sure what AppIndicator3 would have to do with jockey-text20:51
lordievaderyofel: It allways claims that, however appart from the error it works fine.20:56
yofelhm, ok then20:57
apacheloggersheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-transit.webm20:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: that's how it works20:57
shadeslayerawesome :D20:57
apacheloggersheytan: note that I dunno if the transition will be as smooth.. that video is entirely qml20:58
sheytanapachelogger: that's not a big issue even if it's not ;)20:58
sheytanlooks good20:58
shadeslayerindeedly20:58
* apachelogger still does not like the glow20:58
sheytanbut you did not make the background black :D20:58
apacheloggersheytan: because the nuno background is also not black20:59
sheytanyou came out with the glow dude :D20:59
yofelhm...20:59
yofelthe glow isn't bad, but why does the 1st stop glowing while the 3rd part is still glowing up?21:00
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/14/plasma-desktopyJ2166.png21:01
apacheloggersheytan: why not background in plymouth?21:01
apacheloggeryofel: because?21:02
sheytanapachelogger: i thought about it, but you propably will use the 800x600 res which will break the experience :)21:02
apacheloggernah21:02
apacheloggerthe background is a tile21:02
sheytanthis will look good if you use the background in hi-res in plymouth21:03
apacheloggerthere is no high-res21:03
sheytanyet21:03
apachelogger        source: "lightdm/images/tilebg.png"21:03
apachelogger        fillMode: Image.Tile21:03
apacheloggerno21:03
apacheloggerthere is litterally no high res because it is a tiling image21:03
yofelhow large is that tile?21:03
apachelogger200x20021:03
sheytani cannot be, couse it has some lighter shadow inside of it21:04
yofelok, that'll work as long as it crops instead of resizing21:04
apacheloggerthat's an overlay21:04
sheytanso having one tile won't do this effect21:04
apacheloggeryofel: I doubt very much plymouth cares whether a sprite goes off-window ^^21:04
sheytanapachelogger: do you have that image somwhere?21:05
sheytanthe tile21:05
yofelgood then21:05
apacheloggerthat being said... it could still have performance implications21:05
apacheloggeras plymouth has no native tiling21:05
apacheloggersheytan: yes?21:06
sheytanapachelogger: i've done some magic on my pc and puted 1080p background in /lib/plymouth as far as i remember right. It worked fine :)21:06
sneleguys I think you should add "kubuntu" to the logo. I installed kubuntu 12.04 to a lot of people and they don't know what (distribution) they are using.21:06
apacheloggersheytan: of course it works21:06
apacheloggerI even have code for native resolution lookup21:06
sheytangood21:06
sheytanwe still wait for nuno ;.21:06
sheytan;/21:06
apacheloggerthe problem is that the entire theme is put into one binary that is loaded before the kernel is loaded21:06
genii-aroundsnele: I'm still getting a Debian logo :(21:07
apacheloggerso it goes grub -> loads file -> file is some 100 mb big -> can take a while21:07
apacheloggerwhich is why we used the 800x600 version of the aryia thingy21:07
sheytan800x600 is maybe few kb less then 1080p21:07
sheytanin jpg21:07
sheytanis plymouth 100mb heavy?21:07
apacheloggerno21:08
apacheloggernative resolutions of a wallpaper are21:08
apacheloggerthat being said21:08
apacheloggerif you put a bigger image in it will have to be scaled down21:08
apacheloggerwhich then again slows down the boot21:08
sheytanbut comeon. ppl don't that old machines anymore21:09
sheytanand if they do, they've got slack or gentoo on it without x21:09
apacheloggerI did not talk about old machines21:09
sheytanso we don't have to care about boot time that much. If we have 2-3 sec diffrence, noboy will even notice tha.21:13
sheytanimho if we put background to plymouth it has to be atleast 1080p21:13
sheytanelse it's a bad idea, couse it will look bad21:13
sheytanapachelogger: can you soruce me to that tile imge?21:14
apacheloggernope21:15
sheytanapachelogger: so how do  you know it's 200x200?21:16
apacheloggercaused I looked at it21:16
yofelgenii-around: for ksplash? if you still get 'joy' you'll have to change that in the config21:17
sheytanapachelogger: ok. lets wait till nuno will share the background with me.21:17
sheytanor i will do one by myself21:17
genii-aroundyofel: I changed to air now21:21
apacheloggersheytan: yeah, you could just cut a tile out of a screenshot :P21:22
apacheloggeror something21:22
sheytanworking on it ;)21:22
genii-aroundyofel: Sorry, "Default", my desktop theme is Air21:24
phoenix_firebrdDo i have to mention adding the missing files to the .install file in tghe changelog?21:34
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ^21:36
apachelogger            background.sprite[wSprites][hSprites] = SpriteNew();21:39
apachelogger            background.sprite[wSprites][hSprites].SetImage(background.tile);21:39
apachelogger            background.sprite[wSprites][hSprites].SetPosition(wSprites * background.tile.GetWidth(), hSprites * background.tile.GetHeight(), 0);21:39
apacheloggerreally somewhat mad if you think about it21:39
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: game?21:40
apacheloggeryeah21:40
apacheloggerplymouth2k21:40
phoenix_firebrdomg21:40
phoenix_firebrdyou were serious21:41
apacheloggercourse21:41
apacheloggeroh21:41
apacheloggerlol21:41
apacheloggerthe logo will be fun21:41
phoenix_firebrddo you have a cast?21:41
apacheloggerlike in qml it's place that $root in center of center; place gears relative to the $root's x/y21:41
apacheloggerfortunately in plymouth there is neither a center nor a relative x/y 21:42
apacheloggerphoenix_firebrd: what cast?21:42
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: video21:42
apacheloggerdoes not compute21:42
phoenix_firebrdok21:42
apacheloggerah21:42
apacheloggerposted it ealier somewhere21:42
shadeslayerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-transit.webm21:43
yofelphoenix_firebrd: you should at least mention that you edited it, somehow21:43
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: this is nice, simple and elegant 21:43
apacheloggerhm21:43
apacheloggeranyone got a dualscreen setup with working plymouth?21:44
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok21:44
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: the black background is ok?21:44
yofelapachelogger: I think the last time I had 2 monitors attached it duplicated the splash21:44
yofelI think...21:44
apacheloggerwondering right now...21:45
apacheloggeroh21:45
apacheloggeractually21:45
apacheloggerthis is fun21:45
apacheloggerplymouth can have n windows21:45
apacheloggereach with different dimension21:45
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: the effects timing has to be tweaked 21:46
apacheloggerand apparently pos(0,0) is in fact window[0]'s 0,0, whereas window[1] would perhaps be pos(800,0) 21:47
apacheloggerit's somewhat weird really21:47
apacheloggerphoenix_firebrd: yeah, talk with yofel about that21:47
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ^21:47
yofelhuh, I told you my opinion on the timing21:48
phoenix_firebrdyofel: what did you tell him?21:48
yofel<yofel> the glow isn't bad, but why does the 1st stop glowing while the 3rd part is still glowing up?21:48
yofelbut thinking about it, that actually has some logic21:49
yofelwe just only have 3 pieces21:49
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i see something different, the time of 2nd gear glow start is faster than the 3rd's21:50
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i should be equal to look like a chain reactiojn21:50
phoenix_firebrdyofel: *reaction21:50
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: ati issue solved?21:51
* yofel watches again21:51
shadeslayernope, I gave up21:51
shadeslayeranyway21:51
shadeslayeroff to sleep I am21:52
phoenix_firebrdshadeslayer: good night, i am awake till 5 am :)21:52
yofelphoenix_firebrd: in the 2nd animation run?21:52
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: can you paste the timings?21:52
apachelogger..................21:52
apacheloggersee21:52
apacheloggerwhile you are wondering about how to make the timing not suck, I am wondering how to make the timing happen in plymouth21:53
apacheloggerperspective people, perspective21:53
yofelgood pint21:53
yofel*point even21:53
phoenix_firebrdyofel:  thats right21:53
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: forgot that\21:54
apacheloggereven more important... how to make the logo happen ^^21:54
phoenix_firebrdya21:54
yofel*BLINK*21:55
yofelthe ubuntu-logo theme is a plymouth patch o.O21:55
phoenix_firebrdare we shifting from our blue theme?21:55
yofelapachelogger: does plymouth have some kind of API docs or are you reading the source?21:56
apacheloggerhttp://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth/Scripts21:57
apacheloggerreading the source is actually more useful than that ^^21:57
yofelfun21:57
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: this thing is old right?21:58
yofelwth is "progress" in plymouth context21:58
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: the ubuntu people have new direction for using qml in plymouth?21:58
phoenix_firebrd I came across something about this , that were discussed in uds21:59
apacheloggerhm?21:59
apacheloggerusing actual qml in plymouth ought to be somewhat ... difficult22:00
apacheloggerperhaps redo plymouth using qml or something22:00
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: searching for the post, may in omgubuntu22:00
doctorpepperhi guys!22:01
phoenix_firebrdnm22:01
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: hi22:01
doctorpepperis there any way to get detailed informations  about  plasma-desktop  memory  usage ?22:03
sheytanapachelogger: here i come22:03
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: in system activity22:03
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: right click plasma-desktop process and select "detailed memory informatiom"22:04
doctorpepperphoenix_firebrd: looked there but i dont get the detail i need  , i am looking to know why  plasma-desktop is  using a lot  of memory 22:05
doctorpepperabout 200M 22:06
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: for programming purpose?22:06
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: i mean for debugging?22:06
doctorpepperkind of ,  i am trying to reduce  my kde memory  to a bare minimum 22:07
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: use valgrind22:08
sheytanapachelogger: http://imageshack.us/a/img15/1741/bg1lo.png  http://imageshack.us/a/img577/9308/bg2ft.png22:08
apacheloggerwhat's that?22:08
sheytanbackgrounds22:09
doctorpepperby the way  i found  a bug ,  but  i cant  figure out  if its a kubuntu specefic bug.  the bug is related nemopuk  in the kcm u can set memory limit for the virtuoso-t process  i put it  to 75m but  still this process  use  up to 230M of memory 22:10
yofelare you kidding me? http://paste.kde.org/67172622:11
apacheloggerhttp://paste.kde.org/671732/22:11
apacheloggerit's very lol22:11
apacheloggerlololo22:11
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/14/plasma-desktopoz2166.png22:13
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: you can file a bug report or you can ask the guys in the #nepomuk-kde channel about this22:13
apacheloggercompletely done in plymouth tho22:13
apacheloggerdoctorpepper: where's the mem usage number from?22:14
doctorpepperksysguard22:15
apacheloggermay be a memleak then22:15
yofeldoctorpepper, phoenix_firebrd: for plasma, rather try #plasma - if they're in a good mood22:15
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ya22:15
yofelmemleak in some widget probably22:16
apacheloggerhow would that leak into virtuoso?22:16
sheytan_apachelogger: http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/3311/bg2test.png22:16
yofelah, I missed virtuoso22:16
yofelme should be sleeping22:16
apacheloggersheytan_: I am not sure what you want me to do with those?22:16
phoenix_firebrdvirtuoso?22:17
sheytan_that's just my demo right now22:17
phoenix_firebrdisn't it got replaced?22:17
apacheloggerk22:17
yofelphoenix_firebrd: not that I know of, you probably mean strigi22:17
phoenix_firebrdah , sorry22:18
phoenix_firebrdin that case no such process running in my system22:18
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: have you installed nepomuk-webminer?22:19
phoenix_firebrdsheytan_: does that outer right have a final glow?22:20
phoenix_firebrdsheytan_: after the 3 gear segment ?22:20
phoenix_firebrdsheytan_: *ring22:20
sheytan_it could ;)22:20
sheytan_it's just a demo22:20
phoenix_firebrdsheytan_: in that case , can you try that and show?22:21
sheytan_i'm not doing code. Just artwork. ask apachelogger for that ;)22:21
doctorpepperphoenix_firebrd: i dont think. it doesnt exist in the repo 22:21
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: ya, its not yet available there22:22
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: ya, have you tried in the nepomuk-kde, the guys there could help you22:22
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: ah i see , you there22:23
doctorpepperi asked  my  question  but for the moment no  answer22:23
phoenix_firebrddoctorpepper: can you come to #kubuntu ?22:24
doctorpepperwhat nepomuk-webminer is used for ? 22:24
sheytan_apachelogger: what about a light version. simple and nice http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9670/test1ax.png22:26
sheytan_ofcourse we would use the same background for ldm22:26
apacheloggersheytan_: ask the people22:27
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i added the missing files to the .install file, after that rebuilding gives me an error "cp: cannot stat './usr/include/modem-glib/modem/call.h': No such file or directory"22:36
phoenix_firebrdyofel: partial log http://paste.kde.org/671756/22:37
sheytan_apachelogger: the big problem here is that we want to have upstream default settings22:37
sheytan_so we always do default login and splash22:38
sheytan_and if i don;t know what it will look like, i cannot create plymouth to fit with it22:38
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sheytanand imho kde's default splash take too long time, new users don't know what few fading in icons mean, and it's not really needed22:40
sheytanbtw splash and login stuff are those thing no one cares about22:40
sheytanand they're important too22:40
apachelogger*shrug*22:41
yofelphoenix_firebrd: a) you probably wrote it as "./usr", the ./ breaks it. b) that's a header, please add a -dev package for it and the corresponding .so22:44
phoenix_firebrdyofel: thats the .install file http://paste.kde.org/671762/22:45
yofelyou should be able to drop debian/tmp/ from there22:46
phoenix_firebrdyofel: i will paste the full log22:46
yofelplease paste the control file while you're at it22:46
phoenix_firebrdyofel: full log http://paste.kde.org/671768/22:47
phoenix_firebrdyofel: the control file http://paste.kde.org/671774/22:47
phoenix_firebrdyofel: do you want the log with the missing list?22:49
yofelnah, that should be enough22:50
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth.webm22:50
apacheloggerdoing an animation will be fun22:51
phoenix_firebrdyofel: this is the old log with the missing list http://paste.kde.org/671780/22:51
phoenix_firebrdyofel: the -./ is present in that 22:51
yofelI'm wondering if the debian/tmp/ at the top is confusing dh_install22:52
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: bad22:52
apacheloggerhm?22:52
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ya22:52
yofelphoenix_firebrd: note that line 4-12 in http://paste.kde.org/671762/ belong into a -dev package, not the main one22:52
phoenix_firebrdyofel: the build system is migrated to autobuild22:52
yofelphoenix_firebrd: those are still development header, a libtool file and a static library22:53
yofelthat's not needed to *run* the program22:53
BarkingFishapachelogger, what players on kubuntu would open webm files? My system doesn't seem to have anything suitable.  I have xine, vlc, dragon and helix22:53
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: its like the old 8 bit video game22:53
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: we need something like ps522:53
apacheloggerBarkingFish: vlc and dragon22:53
apacheloggeractually a sane browser will play webm just like that22:53
apacheloggerphoenix_firebrd: ?22:53
phoenix_firebrdyofel: checking22:54
phoenix_firebrdapachelogger: the new animation that you posted looks bad22:54
* apachelogger throws keyboard after phoenix_firebrd22:54
phoenix_firebrdoops22:54
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kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1030022] Port from legacy Xlib to to modern XCB @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1030022 (by Fred)22:58
phoenix_firebrdyofel: the new control file http://paste.kde.org/671798/23:11
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phoenix_firebrdbrb23:19
Riddellevening23:22
Riddellwhat did I miss?23:22
yofelthe releases mostly23:23
Riddellooh stories on http://www.kubuntu.org/23:24
Riddellexcellent well done23:24
yofelphoenix_firebrd: hm, I only just noticed that we already had telepathy-ring in the archive. Are you sure you need the development files?23:25
=== zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine
yofelphoenix_firebrd: or are they also missing in the archive package?23:26
yofelphoenix_firebrd: maybe those are just files from an embedded library, in that case don't ship them23:26
phoenix_firebrdyofel: checking23:31
phoenix_firebrdRiddell: good evening23:31
phoenix_firebrdyofel: should i check this by building the one in the archive?23:34
yofelI can't think of any other way23:34
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok23:34
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phoenix_firebrdyofel: those missing files were not added, ignoring them23:43
yofelphoenix_firebrd: there are times when upstream embeds sources for 3rd party libraries and installs their development files by mistake, something you need to watch out for23:45
yofelinstalling versioned .so.X files of those is ok, as it's needed. But the development files shouldn't be there23:45
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok23:45
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yofelactually, without headers even unversioned .so's are fine, even if that's bad library management by upstream23:49
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phoenix_firebrdyofel: after packaging, where do these packages should be in ? http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html23:51
yofelthe archive?23:51
phoenix_firebrdyofel: the ubuntu packages? main?23:52
yofelok, wait a moment23:52
yofelThe uehs page shows outdated packages in general23:52
yofelthere's generally 3 cagegories there23:53
yofel1.0-X, are packages synced from debian, we usually don't update those in ubuntu unless there's a reason23:53
yofel1.0-XubuntuX, those are debian packages with ubuntu changes. Same as previous case but we don't automatically get an updated debian package23:54
yofel1.0-0ubuntuX, ubuntu-only package, so we need to take care about the updating23:54
yofelif you touch any of the first 2 cases and update it only in ubuntu, you are then also expected to take care about getting the package in sync with debian later on23:55
phoenix_firebrdyofel: ok23:56
yofelas for the components23:56
yofelI don't think the uehs page makes a difference there23:56
yofelyou just need to find the appropriate sponsor23:57
yofelfiling a sponsorship request is the easiest way for that23:57
phoenix_firebrdyofel: for example "0.9.1-1ubuntu1" this version no. belongs to the second category? 23:58
yofelyep, that'll be debian 0.9.1-1 with ubuntu changes23:58

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