[00:00] https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/+recipe/kubuntu-kdelibs-stable [00:02] and why are those builders running hardy o.O [00:18] Quintasan: dunno, any of the berlin folks? [00:22] apachelogger: You are asking me that? [00:23] well you'd have to ask who has time :P [00:23] apachelogger: I don't have anyone particular in mind, I've joined this students org because it sounded like a good idea and it turned out those guys are behind one of those yearly Linux Sessions [00:24] apachelogger: and I kind of got pulled in (same as here if you ask me) [00:24] write to kde-promo or kde-events or kde-devel [00:24] Mmmkay. [00:24] * Quintasan jots this down === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [01:28] !testers | new 12.04.2 candidates [01:28] new 12.04.2 candidates: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === micahg_ is now known as micahg === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [02:20] shadeslayer, PING === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine [03:16] !testers | Precise 12.04.2 desktop/alternate 20130214 images has arrived and make sure Bug 1123126 doesn't exist anymore [03:16] bug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 [03:16] Precise 12.04.2 desktop/alternate 20130214 images has arrived and make sure Bug 1123126 doesn't exist anymore: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. === emma_ is now known as em === emma_ is now known as em === em is now known as emma [06:16] Hmm can someone help test Wubi? [06:16] :P [06:23] Not really [06:24] ScottK, LOL [06:24] * smartboyhw is testing the Kubuntu 12.04.2 desktop image (20130214) [06:24] At least that Bug 1123126 is fixed [06:24] bug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 [06:25] And I'm not seeing any problems! [06:27] Will do some testing this afternoon, I hope. Good that bug 1123126 is fixed :D. Have no Windows on my test machine, so I cannot test Wubi :( [06:27] bug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 [06:27] lordievader, me too no Windows [06:27] I'm doing testing while typing up meeting minutes and doing some homework and such:P [06:29] Usually the same here, have one machine installing a test image, while I done somethin else :) [06:29] Thanks for testing. [06:29] Pretty much no one in Kubuntu has Windows they can test with, so don't worry too much about wubi. [06:32] Wasn't 12.04.2 supposed to be released today? Is this the final image before release? [06:54] Jesus Edubuntu marked their images as ready already [06:57] They only have 3 testcases... 2 are live sessions... [06:58] lordievader, I want Ubuntu Studio to be marked ready soon also [06:59] Test it :) Gotta go to college, will be back in the afternoon. [07:01] lordievader, :) [08:18] Any testers doing Alpha 2 armhf+omap4? [08:24] smartboyhw: do you have hardware to test? [08:24] shadeslayer, NO [08:24] That is the problem [08:25] shadeslayer, BTW merge in https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/plasmate-copyright/+merge/148361 please [08:25] The copyright file is done [08:26] yeah saw the email [08:26] will get to it :) [08:27] smartboyhw: Riddell has hardware [08:27] shadeslayer, :) [08:27] and I think he was trying to test yesterday [08:27] shadeslayer, oh great:P [08:27] shadeslayer, and then? [08:27] but his computer kept crashing [08:27] shadeslayer, !? [08:27] dunno :P [08:30] Riddell: errr ... plasma-mobile is still stuck in -proposed [08:31] shadeslayer, along with cantata:P [08:31] Actually cantata needs waiting since it's NEW [08:31] shadeslayer, but yours' shouldn't [08:32] shadeslayer, in the Kubuntu Ninja pad "Plasma Active"section Why is plasma-active-maliit still on TODO? [08:32] And actually, does that need an upgrade? [08:33] Hi skaet haven't *seen* you much on IRC since 12.10 release [08:33] hmm , probably because thats one of the new packages that we want to do [08:33] but I don't remember the status of maliit [08:33] hi smartboyhw. [08:33] s/upgrade/update/ [08:33] smartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [08:33] !? [08:34] if maliit is in, we can proceed with updating plasma-active-maliit [08:34] shadeslayer, I mean: Does "Plasma Active" section on the pad need an active with latest status? [08:35] shadeslayer, maliit is NOT in I think [08:41] mm [08:41] smartboyhw: okay [08:41] smartboyhw: leave it as TODO [08:41] shadeslayer, OK [08:42] I have some partial packaging for bodega-client if you want [08:42] shadeslayer, not today....Testing more:P [08:42] Anyone doing upgrade testcases? Would be difficult for me to do.... [08:44] heh okay [08:44] smartboyhw: use a VM? [08:45] shadeslayer, I know. It would take me ages to do the upgrade. Also we need to do upgrades from Lucid!!!!!!?!? [08:45] heh yed [08:45] shadeslayer, and I need to help Xubuntu too [08:45] *yes [08:45] alright, I'll cover those post lunch [08:45] shadeslayer, I might do one from Oneiric to help [08:53] cool === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:28] ::workspace-bugs:: [1124972] plasma-desktop reset my session at every boot ! @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1124972 (by Raph) [09:40] Riddell, for Raring alpha 2 - is there someone lined up to test the armhf+omap4 image for Kubuntu or will it be dropped from the release? [09:41] skaet_: well I tested it and it didn't work [09:41] X didn't show up [09:41] Riddell, ooh no [09:41] so I should do some more tests and report a bug [09:42] I suspect it's the same issue I had when I first got a pandaboard, X drivers don't like my DVI monitor [09:42] smartboyhw: but aye, drop it from release [09:42] Grrrr Riddell you tell skaet_ that:P [09:42] Riddell, smartboyhw - ok. consider it dropped [09:43] oh yes [09:43] skaet_: also upgrade didn't work [09:43] Riddell, ... that was going to be my next question. :) [09:44] Riddell, I and shadeslayer were almost going to test that:P [09:44] Riddell, wait you mean 13.04 or 12.04.2? [09:44] Riddell, if there's a bug, probably best to mention it in the alpha 2 notes then. [09:45] skaet_: question is which do I start on, 12.04.2 or 13.04? [09:45] Riddell, you mean BOTH upgrades failed!? [09:45] smartboyhw: no I mean I've not tested 12.04.2 [09:46] and it's also due for release today so I should get onto it [09:46] Riddell, ah.Try 12.04.2 upgrades. I will help test the alternates and desktops i386 images [09:46] Others are completed (mostly [09:49] Riddell, slangasek is pushing the bits on 13.04, so later timezone, so I'd recommend getting 12.04.2 is known state first, then getting 13.04. [09:54] will do [09:54] * smartboyhw is a bit dizzy now testing all day [09:56] Current testing status: [09:56] hello kids [09:56] Hey apachelogger [09:56] Kubuntu Alternate amd64: All tests passed [09:57] Kubuntu Alternate i386 12.04.2 (same as above for 12.04.2): No test results submitted [09:57] Kubuntu Desktop amd64 12.04.2: 4 testcases passed out of 6 (2 others have not been completed, my fault) [09:57] Kubuntu Desktop i386 12.04.2: No test results submitted [09:58] I now think of this: Maybe I should create a pad [09:58] * smartboyhw calls for an etherpad [09:58] smartboyhw: iso.qa doesn't have enough status? [09:59] Riddell, I want to list out both 12.04.2 and 13.04:P [10:00] smartboyhw: iso.qa has pages for both [10:00] not sure duplicating that information is a good idea [10:00] Riddell, and I want to list out which testcases haven't been tested:P [10:00] And tracking who's doing what:P [10:01] Riddell: I'm testing upgrades from lucid to precise [10:02] And I'm downloading 12.04.2 alternate i386 12.04.2 to test [10:02] shadeslayer, you really are! [10:02] YAY! [10:02] yeah, going to take a bit of time [10:04] smartboyhw: iso.qa can also track who's doing what [10:04] Riddell, how? I don't normally put "In Progress" test results;p [10:04] Anyway, ANY MORE TESTERS!? [10:04] errr [10:05] where are the 10.04 images? [10:05] all I see are DVD images [10:05] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04.4/release/ [10:05] shadeslayer, releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases [10:05] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04/release/ [10:05] shadeslayer, don't double post [10:05] not double posting ;) [10:06] Damn my link is wrong [10:06] http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/oneiric/ [10:06] This one is correct^ [10:06] shadeslayer, ^ [10:06] oneiric? [10:06] Oh sorry:p [10:06] aren't we testing upgrades from LTS to LTS? [10:06] hmm [10:06] shadeslayer, http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/ [10:06] Sorry:P [10:06] right :) [10:07] we need to automate this stuff :P [10:07] !testers | Please help test 12.04.2 images and upgrades [10:07] Please help test 12.04.2 images and upgrades: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. [10:07] To get everybody testing:P [10:08] * shadeslayer christens smartboyhw the QA master [10:08] shadeslayer, LOL [10:09] I just help whatever flavour they want:P [10:09] ohlol [10:09] shadeslayer: What does a deb file contain? [10:09] ohlol [10:09] apachelogger: binary files? [10:09] * smartboyhw agrees [10:10] apachelogger: and meta stuff for dpkg [10:10] just as inprecise as last time [10:10] I like found my questions for your kubuntudev intervu [10:10] lol [10:10] LOL [10:10] iirc it's basically contains 2 tars inside itself [10:11] one of them is the control tar and the other one contains the .so's and whatever we built [10:12] apachelogger: better? [10:12] yeah [10:12] :P [10:13] does anyone remember what that thing was called [10:13] that ubuntu uses for automated testing [10:14] UTAH? [10:14] shadeslayer, yep [10:14] cool [10:14] Ubuntu Automated Testing Harness [10:15] It is originally UATH, somebody changed it to UTAH [10:15] I need to figure out their testing mechanisms so I can setup upgrade tests and what not [10:15] so we don't do this manually every fricking time [10:16] shadeslayer, yeah. Good job :D [10:16] yeah, plan, do QA in the cloud [10:16] and automate it [10:17] alteast for x86 stuff [10:17] shadeslayer, LIKE! [10:21] :) [10:21] oh god, this wallpaper makes me want to kill myself [10:23] does anyone know if the UTAH team has a irc channel? [10:24] #ubuntu-utah is invite only :P [10:25] Riddell: I have no idea why plasma-mobile is still stuck [10:25] do you? [10:26] http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-grey.webm [10:26] shadeslayer, try ask in #ubuntu-quality or should I ask it for you> [10:27] shadeslayer, I have asked it for you [10:27] waiting for reply [10:35] hmm [10:35] smartboyhw: ./plasmate/previewer/plasmoid/test/main.cpp: BSD (2 clause) [10:35] shadeslayer, damn:P [10:35] wait then [10:35] and other stuff that is BSD [10:35] please be fixing :) [10:36] ./engineexplorer/ktreeviewsearchline.cpp: LGPL (v2) [10:36] ./plasmate/packagemodel.h: GPL < that's GPL only ^_^ [10:37] actually, nvm [10:37] that's GPL-2+ [10:37] LOL [10:48] shadeslayer: no neither do I but I'm afraid I need to test the relases today so no time to look at it [10:48] Riddell: okay [10:48] I'm testing as well today [10:53] apachelogger: so you did it :D [10:53] you know it looks like [10:53] it looks like osx [10:53] that's what it looks like [10:53] silly grey [10:54] but this is not wrong. [10:54] heh [10:55] apachelogger: I hear people say OS X is awesome [10:55] i'm still at work, but when i come back home, you will see somethin :D [10:55] :P [10:55] shadeslayer: well for the first 10 minutes it is. Then you get bored couse there's nothing to configure :D [10:55] hahaha [10:55] shadeslayer: so are dongs [10:55] i mean everything is done :D [10:55] apachelogger: rofl [10:56] someone got nuno's mail? [10:56] e-mail address ofcourse [10:56] pinheiro AT kde DOT org? [10:56] also a dong would be a very good progressbar [10:56] just guessing [10:56] apachelogger: I think Trever would like that [10:56] everyone would like that [10:57] shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296100 [10:57] your software is buggy and I do not know why [10:57] KDE bug 296100 in general "The playback occasionally stops when automatically switching to the next song on the playlist" [Normal,Needsinfo: waitingforinfo] [10:57] ETOOMANYCOMMENTS [10:58] apachelogger: I shall have a look next week, this week I want to finish ubiquity and gst porting [10:58] only have today and tomorrow to do that [10:58] apachelogger: unless you want to implement the code for show() [10:58] 2 things in 2 days [10:58] apachelogger: btw [10:58] that's some plan [10:59] shadeslayer: I cannot for I have not signed the CLA thing [10:59] we have no snapshot API [10:59] hm? [10:59] apachelogger: you need to sign the CLA thing for contributing to Ubiquity? [10:59] shadeslayer: yes? [10:59] apachelogger: pgst, current release has no snapshot API [10:59] apachelogger: oh ... did not know that [11:00] does not matter ... you can snapshot via qwidget IIRC [11:00] or qpainter [11:00] ah okay [11:00] though [11:00] that may be scaled [11:00] so [11:00] *shrug* [11:00] otherwise we need to release stuffz [11:00] :( [11:00] and I have not removed qml from libphonon and pvlc yet [11:01] nor from pgst [11:01] plus QA is sparse [11:01] shadeslayer: that's your job :P [11:01] apachelogger: automate it! [11:01] heh :P [11:01] I have it removed locally [11:01] just dropped the CPP's from CMakeList.txt ;) [11:01] you cannot automate multimedia QA :P [11:02] the tests phonon originally had were autogenerated simply setting all properties on an object, then calling all functions, then changing one property, then calling all functions, then check if properties are the same [11:02] that's how untestable that thing is :P [11:02] nonsense, you can automate everything, you just need to implement audio/video recognition to record stuff from the mike and compare it to the original audio/video [11:02] shadeslayer: won't work [11:03] :P [11:03] there is an unknown amount of sampling going on [11:03] ah drat :( [11:03] plus that in fact relies on the underlying library doing the right thing [11:04] that's a fallthrough test [11:04] you end up testing gstreamer, not pgst [11:07] technically what you need is a mock backend which actually does nothing to test libphonon, then you need a mock libphonon that does just about nothing but object construction and a mock version of vlc/gstreamer to test whether the backend behaves correctly [11:17] shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+recipe/user-manager-daily [11:17] owned by u [11:18] oh [11:18] okay [11:18] changed to kubuntu developers [11:35] bah, torrents are really slow at the moment.. [11:38] smartboyhw: on trying the i386 alternate Precise image I get no kernal modules found, you didn't get the same on amd64? [11:38] Riddell, no.... [11:38] I did found it for i386 though [11:38] Riddell, since you are testing it I'm going back to see if amd64 has that bug too === yofel__ is now known as Guest48069 [11:41] fail [11:42] Riddell, NO === Guest48069 is now known as yofel [11:42] I don't get that one in amd64 [11:42] checked [11:42] smartboyhw: so i386 has it but not amd64? [11:42] Riddell, yes [11:42] very strange === emma is now known as em [11:53] bah, do-release-upgrade downloading at 30 KBps [11:55] speedy [11:55] kubotu: order coffee [11:55] * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger. [11:56] * apachelogger throws the milk back at kubotu [11:56] yofel: is newpackage fixed yet btw? [12:00] milk? :O [12:01] I know [12:02] I got weird looks from people at Akademy when I put milk in my coffee [12:02] apparently I was commiting a crime [12:05] a crime against flavour [12:08] well ... European coffee is vastly different from what we get here [12:08] Time for some precise amd64 testing :D [12:08] the one we get here is supposed to be used with milk [12:13] Hey all [12:14] in austria it is also common to have coffee with milk [12:14] and loads a sugar [12:14] ^^ [12:14] which actually makes for an entirely new flavor most of the time [12:14] I tried having coffee without milk over here [12:14] personally I like it raw [12:14] it was crap [12:15] too bitter for me [12:15] shadeslayer, got your auto-upgrade downloaded?:P [12:15] hmm all this talk makes me want a coffee without milk [12:15] smartboyhw: need to set it up, probably later on [12:15] I'm still thinking whether to set it up on this Blue Systems server :P [12:16] Riddell: better yet, one without and one with ^^ [12:16] shadeslayer: auto-pgrade? [12:16] * shadeslayer orders pizza [12:16] apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UpgradeTestingSetup [12:17] hey guys. Is someone working on wifi setup in installer? [12:17] and avatar support :D [12:17] not currently [12:17] shadeslayer was doing avatar [12:17] sheytan: moi [12:17] but might have dropped it? [12:17] eh no [12:17] this is must have for 13.04 [12:17] sheytan: I have a patch if you want it [12:17] sheytan: yes [12:17] oh I thought xnox put you off by saying it wasn't going to be in ubuntu desktop [12:18] shadeslayer: can't you apply it ? [12:19] Riddell: apply it? it's not finished yet :) [12:19] shadeslayer, review merge again. The copyright file is updated now [12:19] shadeslayer: how would that play with ppas tho? [12:19] apachelogger: no idea [12:19] shadeslayer: how can i test this? [12:19] we could set it up so that it plays nicely [12:19] sheytan: sec [12:19] sure [12:20] shadeslayer: I reckon for us ppa upgrades are the more interesting part [12:20] apachelogger: true [12:20] sheytan: http://paste.kde.org/671234/ [12:20] and to that extent we'd need a local ppa mirror [12:20] sheytan: install ubiquity-frontend-kde and then patch ubi-webcam.py [12:20] i.e. there is an insane amount of upgrade paths with our ppa releases [12:20] sheytan: then run ubiquity from the command line [12:20] apachelogger: yeah [12:22] shadeslayer: your paste is missing ui btw :P [12:22] oh true [12:22] sorry [12:22] shadeslayer: so this is avatar support but what about the wifi? [12:23] sheytan: http://paste.kde.org/671246 [12:23] sheytan: haven't started on that [12:23] shadeslayer: ok, one more thing. Can you link me to the slideshows? [12:23] i will work on that too [12:23] couse they SUCK a bit :) [12:24] sheytan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/files/head:/slideshows/kubuntu/slides/ [12:24] Riddell, did Bug 1125111 failed your install? Because I didn't [12:24] bug 1125111 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "no kernel modules found" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1125111 [12:25] smartboyhw: dunno I gave up when I saw it [12:25] Riddell, it didn't fail for me [12:25] it also didn't pass :) [12:26] Riddell, so what is it!? [12:26] LOL [12:26] * sheytan is happy to have stuff to work on today evening [12:26] shadeslayer: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HaSzD17HULE/URbUZVcnrAI/AAAAAAAACMM/0YE9x5_-qnM/s1600/installer-prepare.png [12:27] ruh roh [12:27] TMI [12:27] atleast IMHO [12:27] clubbing WiFi and codecs does not make sense [12:27] plus, codecs should come after network selection [12:28] and should only be activated if a active network connection was found [12:29] I'm off for a bit [12:29] cya [12:29] stop bickering about ubiquity [12:29] I need a boot splash [12:29] way more important [12:29] lul [12:29] ... I need to change the splash, grub, the text splash and the CD menu [12:30] all with some sort of coherent coloring and shit [12:30] so I'd rather have a splash than wifi selection in ubiquity [12:31] Riddell, looking at the code (ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.precise), it just doesn't make sense it doesn't work [12:32] smartboyhw: no it's not fair, hoping cjwatson will find the reason [12:32] shadeslayer, apachelogger: the codecs aren't just codecs it is also the installer for the proprietary wifi drivers so need to go before the wifi section [12:32] Riddell, yeah [12:34] apachelogger: wait till evening [12:35] shadeslayer, apachelogger: I've asked about it several time on the Ubuntu ubiquity version [12:35] in that case it needs to look different [12:35] should be a button "install me drivers, yo!" [12:36] anything other than that is simply silly [12:36] So Riddell will we be able to release alternates at all? [12:36] I mean i386 [12:36] smartboyhw: I don't want to release it with this bug [12:37] Riddell, hmm. How about amd64? [12:37] I guess that's fine [12:39] apachelogger: I'm good at not finding time for a "proper" fix. But I guess I can make it "repr(version) > '1.9'" for now [12:39] which should(?) work [12:42] I wonder if we should add this patch https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdepimlibs/repository/revisions/2239fb22ea1bb59fced36f2807ec257cd29c7fa9 [12:42] Fix kde Bug 315115 - Akonadi Firstrun doesn't work [12:42] KDE bug 315115 in kpimutils "Akonadi Firstrun doesn't work" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315115 [12:42] Riddell, why not? [12:43]