[00:00] <yofel> https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/+recipe/kubuntu-kdelibs-stable
[00:02] <yofel> and why are those builders running hardy o.O
[00:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: dunno, any of the berlin folks?
[00:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You are asking me that?
[00:23] <apachelogger> well you'd have to ask who has time :P
[00:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I don't have anyone particular in mind, I've joined this students org because it sounded like a good idea and it turned out those guys are behind one of those yearly Linux Sessions
[00:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: and I kind of got pulled in (same as here if you ask me)
[00:24] <apachelogger> write to kde-promo or kde-events or kde-devel
[00:24] <Quintasan> Mmmkay.
[00:24]  * Quintasan jots this down
[01:28] <Riddell> !testers | new 12.04.2 candidates
[02:20] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, PING
[03:16] <smartboyhw> !testers | Precise 12.04.2 desktop/alternate 20130214 images has arrived and make sure Bug 1123126 doesn't exist anymore
[06:16] <smartboyhw> Hmm can someone help test Wubi?
[06:16] <smartboyhw> :P
[06:23] <ScottK> Not really
[06:24] <smartboyhw> ScottK, LOL
[06:24]  * smartboyhw is testing the Kubuntu 12.04.2 desktop image (20130214)
[06:24] <smartboyhw> At least that Bug 1123126 is fixed
[06:25] <smartboyhw> And I'm not seeing any problems!
[06:27] <lordievader> Will do some testing this afternoon, I hope. Good that bug 1123126 is fixed :D. Have no Windows on my test machine, so I cannot test Wubi :(
[06:27] <smartboyhw> lordievader, me too no Windows
[06:27] <smartboyhw> I'm doing testing while typing up meeting minutes and doing some homework and such:P
[06:29] <lordievader> Usually the same here, have one machine installing a test image, while I done somethin else :)
[06:29] <ScottK> Thanks for testing.
[06:29] <ScottK> Pretty much no one in Kubuntu has Windows they can test with, so don't worry too much about wubi.
[06:32] <lordievader> Wasn't 12.04.2 supposed to be released today? Is this the final image before release?
[06:54] <smartboyhw> Jesus Edubuntu marked their images as ready already
[06:57] <lordievader> They only have 3 testcases... 2 are live sessions...
[06:58] <smartboyhw> lordievader, I want Ubuntu Studio to be marked ready soon also
[06:59] <lordievader> Test it :) Gotta go to college, will be back in the afternoon.
[07:01] <smartboyhw> lordievader, :)
[08:18] <smartboyhw> Any testers doing Alpha 2 armhf+omap4? 
[08:24] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: do you have hardware to test?
[08:24] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, NO
[08:24] <smartboyhw> That is the problem
[08:25] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, BTW merge in https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/plasmate-copyright/+merge/148361 please
[08:25] <smartboyhw> The copyright file is done
[08:26] <shadeslayer> yeah saw the email
[08:26] <shadeslayer> will get to it :)
[08:27] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: Riddell has hardware
[08:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :)
[08:27] <shadeslayer> and I think he was trying to test yesterday
[08:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh great:P
[08:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, and then?
[08:27] <shadeslayer> but his computer kept crashing
[08:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !?
[08:27] <shadeslayer> dunno :P
[08:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: errr ... plasma-mobile is still stuck in -proposed
[08:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, along with cantata:P
[08:31] <smartboyhw> Actually cantata needs waiting since it's NEW
[08:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, but yours' shouldn't
[08:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, in the Kubuntu Ninja pad "Plasma Active"section Why is plasma-active-maliit still on TODO?
[08:32] <smartboyhw> And actually, does that need an upgrade?
[08:33] <smartboyhw> Hi skaet haven't *seen* you much on IRC since 12.10 release
[08:33] <shadeslayer> hmm , probably because thats one of the new packages that we want to do
[08:33] <shadeslayer> but I don't remember the status of maliit
[08:33] <skaet> hi smartboyhw. 
[08:33] <smartboyhw> s/upgrade/update/
[08:33] <kubotu> smartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[08:33] <smartboyhw> !?
[08:34] <shadeslayer> if maliit is in, we can proceed with updating plasma-active-maliit
[08:34] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I mean: Does "Plasma Active" section on the pad need an active with latest status?
[08:35] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, maliit is NOT in I think
[08:41] <shadeslayer> mm
[08:41] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: okay
[08:41] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: leave it as TODO
[08:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK
[08:42] <shadeslayer> I have some partial packaging for bodega-client if you want
[08:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, not today....Testing more:P
[08:42] <smartboyhw> Anyone doing upgrade testcases? Would be difficult for me to do....
[08:44] <shadeslayer> heh okay
[08:44] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: use a VM?
[08:45] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I know. It would take me ages to do the upgrade. Also we need to do upgrades from Lucid!!!!!!?!?
[08:45] <shadeslayer> heh yed
[08:45] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, and I need to help Xubuntu too
[08:45] <shadeslayer> *yes
[08:45] <shadeslayer> alright, I'll cover those post lunch
[08:45] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I might do one from Oneiric to help
[08:53] <shadeslayer> cool
[09:28] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1124972] plasma-desktop reset my session at every boot ! @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1124972 (by Raph)
[09:40] <skaet_> Riddell,  for Raring alpha 2 - is there someone lined up to test the armhf+omap4 image for Kubuntu or will it be dropped from the release?
[09:41] <Riddell> skaet_: well I tested it and it didn't work
[09:41] <Riddell> X didn't show up
[09:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ooh no
[09:41] <Riddell> so I should do some more tests and report a bug
[09:42] <Riddell> I suspect it's the same issue I had when I first got a pandaboard, X drivers don't like my DVI monitor
[09:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but aye, drop it from release
[09:42] <smartboyhw> Grrrr Riddell you tell skaet_ that:P
[09:42] <skaet_> Riddell,  smartboyhw - ok.   consider it dropped
[09:43] <Riddell> oh yes
[09:43] <Riddell> skaet_: also upgrade didn't work
[09:43] <skaet_> Riddell,  ... that was going to be my next question.  :)
[09:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I and shadeslayer were almost going to test that:P
[09:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, wait you mean 13.04 or 12.04.2?
[09:44] <skaet_> Riddell,  if there's a bug,  probably best to mention it in the alpha 2 notes then.
[09:45] <Riddell> skaet_: question is which do I start on, 12.04.2 or 13.04?
[09:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you mean BOTH upgrades failed!?
[09:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no I mean I've not tested 12.04.2
[09:46] <Riddell> and it's also due for release today so I should get onto it
[09:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah.Try 12.04.2 upgrades. I will help test the alternates and desktops i386 images
[09:46] <smartboyhw> Others are completed (mostly
[09:49] <skaet_> Riddell,   slangasek is pushing the bits on 13.04,  so later timezone,   so I'd recommend getting 12.04.2 is known state first, then getting 13.04.   
[09:54] <Riddell> will do
[09:54]  * smartboyhw is a bit dizzy now testing all day
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Current testing status:
[09:56] <apachelogger> hello kids
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Hey apachelogger 
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu Alternate amd64: All tests passed
[09:57] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu Alternate i386 12.04.2 (same as above for 12.04.2): No test results submitted
[09:57] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu Desktop amd64 12.04.2: 4 testcases passed out of 6 (2 others have not been completed, my fault)
[09:57] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu Desktop i386 12.04.2: No test results submitted
[09:58] <smartboyhw> I now think of this: Maybe I should create a pad
[09:58]  * smartboyhw calls for an etherpad
[09:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: iso.qa doesn't have enough status?
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I want to list out both 12.04.2 and 13.04:P
[10:00] <Riddell> smartboyhw: iso.qa has pages for both
[10:00] <Riddell> not sure duplicating that information is a good idea
[10:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and I want to list out which testcases haven't been tested:P
[10:00] <smartboyhw> And tracking who's doing what:P
[10:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm testing upgrades from lucid to precise
[10:02] <smartboyhw> And I'm downloading 12.04.2 alternate i386 12.04.2 to test
[10:02] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you really are!
[10:02] <smartboyhw> YAY!
[10:02] <shadeslayer> yeah, going to take a bit of time
[10:04] <Riddell> smartboyhw: iso.qa can also track who's doing what
[10:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how? I don't normally put "In Progress" test results;p
[10:04] <smartboyhw> Anyway, ANY MORE TESTERS!?
[10:04] <shadeslayer> errr
[10:05] <shadeslayer> where are the 10.04 images?
[10:05] <shadeslayer> all I see are DVD images
[10:05] <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04.4/release/
[10:05] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases
[10:05] <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04/release/
[10:05] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, don't double post
[10:05] <shadeslayer> not double posting ;)
[10:06] <smartboyhw> Damn my link is wrong
[10:06] <smartboyhw> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/oneiric/
[10:06] <smartboyhw> This one is correct^
[10:06] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ^
[10:06] <shadeslayer> oneiric?
[10:06] <smartboyhw> Oh sorry:p
[10:06] <shadeslayer> aren't we testing upgrades from LTS to LTS?
[10:06] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:06] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/
[10:06] <smartboyhw> Sorry:P
[10:06] <shadeslayer> right :)
[10:07] <shadeslayer> we need to automate this stuff :P
[10:07] <smartboyhw> !testers | Please help test 12.04.2 images and upgrades
[10:07] <smartboyhw> To get everybody testing:P
[10:08]  * shadeslayer christens smartboyhw the QA master
[10:08] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[10:09] <smartboyhw> I just help whatever flavour they want:P
[10:09] <apachelogger> ohlol
[10:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: What does a deb file contain?
[10:09] <smartboyhw> ohlol
[10:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: binary files?
[10:09]  * smartboyhw agrees
[10:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and meta stuff for dpkg
[10:10] <apachelogger> just as inprecise as last time
[10:10] <apachelogger> I like found my questions for your kubuntudev intervu
[10:10] <shadeslayer> lol
[10:10] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:10] <shadeslayer> iirc it's basically contains 2 tars inside itself
[10:11] <shadeslayer> one of them is the control tar and the other one contains the .so's and whatever we built
[10:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: better?
[10:12] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:12] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:13] <shadeslayer> does anyone remember what that thing was called
[10:13] <shadeslayer> that ubuntu uses for automated testing
[10:14] <shadeslayer> UTAH?
[10:14] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yep
[10:14] <shadeslayer> cool
[10:14] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Automated Testing Harness
[10:15] <smartboyhw> It is originally UATH, somebody changed it to UTAH
[10:15] <shadeslayer> I need to figure out their testing mechanisms so I can setup upgrade tests and what not
[10:15] <shadeslayer> so we don't do this manually every fricking time
[10:16] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yeah. Good job :D
[10:16] <shadeslayer> yeah, plan, do QA in the cloud
[10:16] <shadeslayer> and automate it
[10:17] <shadeslayer> alteast for x86 stuff
[10:17] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LIKE!
[10:21] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:21] <shadeslayer> oh god, this wallpaper makes me want to kill myself
[10:23] <shadeslayer> does anyone know if the UTAH team has a irc channel?
[10:24] <shadeslayer> #ubuntu-utah is invite only :P
[10:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have no idea why plasma-mobile is still stuck
[10:25] <shadeslayer> do you?
[10:26] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-grey.webm
[10:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, try ask in #ubuntu-quality or should I ask it for you>
[10:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I have asked it for you
[10:27] <smartboyhw> waiting for reply
[10:35] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:35] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: ./plasmate/previewer/plasmoid/test/main.cpp: BSD (2 clause)
[10:35] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, damn:P
[10:35] <smartboyhw> wait then
[10:35] <shadeslayer> and other stuff that is BSD
[10:35] <shadeslayer> please be fixing :)
[10:36] <shadeslayer> ./engineexplorer/ktreeviewsearchline.cpp: LGPL (v2)
[10:36] <shadeslayer> ./plasmate/packagemodel.h: GPL < that's GPL only ^_^
[10:37] <shadeslayer> actually, nvm
[10:37] <shadeslayer> that's GPL-2+
[10:37] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no neither do I but I'm afraid I need to test the relases today so no time to look at it
[10:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay
[10:48] <shadeslayer> I'm testing as well today
[10:53] <sheytan> apachelogger: so you did it :D
[10:53] <apachelogger> you know it looks like
[10:53] <apachelogger> it looks like osx
[10:53] <apachelogger> that's what it looks like
[10:53] <apachelogger> silly grey
[10:54] <sheytan> but this is not wrong.
[10:54] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I hear people say OS X is awesome
[10:55] <sheytan> i'm still at work, but when i come back home, you will see somethin :D
[10:55] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:55] <sheytan> shadeslayer: well for the first 10 minutes it is. Then you get bored couse there's nothing to configure :D
[10:55] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[10:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so are dongs
[10:55] <sheytan> i mean everything is done :D
[10:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rofl
[10:56] <sheytan> someone got nuno's mail?
[10:56] <sheytan> e-mail address ofcourse
[10:56] <shadeslayer> pinheiro AT kde DOT org?
[10:56] <apachelogger> also a dong would be a very good progressbar
[10:56] <shadeslayer> just guessing
[10:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think Trever would like that
[10:56] <apachelogger> everyone would like that
[10:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296100
[10:57] <apachelogger> your software is buggy and I do not know why
[10:57] <shadeslayer> ETOOMANYCOMMENTS
[10:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I shall have a look next week, this week I want to finish ubiquity and gst porting
[10:58] <shadeslayer> only have today and tomorrow to do that
[10:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: unless you want to implement the code for show()
[10:58] <apachelogger> 2 things in 2 days
[10:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw
[10:58] <apachelogger> that's some plan
[10:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I cannot for I have not signed the CLA thing
[10:59] <shadeslayer> we have no snapshot API
[10:59] <apachelogger> hm?
[10:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you need to sign the CLA thing for contributing to Ubiquity?
[10:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes?
[10:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pgst, current release has no snapshot API
[10:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ... did not know that
[11:00] <apachelogger> does not matter ... you can snapshot via qwidget IIRC
[11:00] <apachelogger> or qpainter
[11:00] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[11:00] <apachelogger> though
[11:00] <apachelogger> that may be scaled
[11:00] <apachelogger> so
[11:00] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:00] <apachelogger> otherwise we need to release stuffz
[11:00] <shadeslayer> :(
[11:00] <apachelogger> and I have not removed qml from libphonon and pvlc yet
[11:01] <shadeslayer> nor from pgst
[11:01] <apachelogger> plus QA is sparse
[11:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's your job :P
[11:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: automate it! 
[11:01] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[11:01] <shadeslayer> I have it removed locally
[11:01] <shadeslayer> just dropped the CPP's from CMakeList.txt ;)
[11:01] <apachelogger> you cannot automate multimedia QA :P
[11:02] <apachelogger> the tests phonon originally had were autogenerated simply setting all properties on an object, then calling all functions, then changing one property, then calling all functions, then check if properties are the same
[11:02] <apachelogger> that's how untestable that thing is :P
[11:02] <shadeslayer> nonsense, you can automate everything, you just need to implement audio/video recognition to record stuff from the mike and compare it to the original audio/video
[11:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: won't work
[11:03] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:03] <apachelogger> there is an unknown amount of sampling going on
[11:03] <shadeslayer> ah drat :(
[11:03] <apachelogger> plus that in fact relies on the underlying library doing the right thing
[11:04] <apachelogger> that's a fallthrough test
[11:04] <apachelogger> you end up testing gstreamer, not pgst
[11:07] <apachelogger> technically what you need is a mock backend which actually does nothing to test libphonon, then you need a mock libphonon that does just about nothing but object construction and a mock version of vlc/gstreamer to test whether the backend behaves correctly
[11:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+recipe/user-manager-daily
[11:17] <apachelogger> owned by u
[11:18] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:18] <shadeslayer> okay
[11:18] <shadeslayer> changed to kubuntu developers
[11:35] <jussi> bah, torrents are really slow at the moment..
[11:38] <Riddell> smartboyhw: on trying the i386 alternate Precise image I get no kernal modules found, you didn't get the same on amd64?
[11:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no....
[11:38] <smartboyhw> I did found it for i386 though
[11:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, since you are testing it I'm going back to see if amd64 has that bug too 
[11:41] <Guest48069> fail
[11:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, NO
[11:42] <smartboyhw> I don't get that one in amd64
[11:42] <smartboyhw> checked
[11:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: so i386 has it but not amd64?
[11:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes
[11:42] <Riddell> very strange
[11:53] <shadeslayer> bah, do-release-upgrade downloading at 30 KBps
[11:55] <apachelogger> speedy
[11:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[11:55]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.
[11:56]  * apachelogger throws the milk back at kubotu
[11:56] <apachelogger> yofel: is newpackage fixed yet btw?
[12:00] <shadeslayer> milk? :O
[12:01] <apachelogger> I know
[12:02] <shadeslayer> I got weird looks from people at Akademy when I put milk in my coffee
[12:02] <shadeslayer> apparently I was commiting a crime
[12:05] <Riddell> a crime against flavour
[12:08] <shadeslayer> well ... European coffee is vastly different from what we get here
[12:08] <lordievader> Time for some precise amd64 testing :D
[12:08] <shadeslayer> the one we get here is supposed to be used with milk
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:14] <apachelogger> in austria it is also common to have coffee with milk
[12:14] <apachelogger> and loads a sugar
[12:14] <shadeslayer> ^^
[12:14] <apachelogger> which actually makes for an entirely new flavor most of the time
[12:14] <shadeslayer> I tried having coffee without milk over here
[12:14] <apachelogger> personally I like it raw
[12:14] <shadeslayer> it was crap
[12:15] <shadeslayer> too bitter for me
[12:15] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, got your auto-upgrade downloaded?:P
[12:15] <Riddell> hmm all this talk makes me want a coffee without milk
[12:15] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: need to set it up, probably later on
[12:15] <shadeslayer> I'm still thinking whether to set it up on this Blue Systems server :P
[12:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: better yet, one without and one with ^^
[12:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: auto-pgrade?
[12:16]  * shadeslayer orders pizza
[12:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UpgradeTestingSetup
[12:17] <sheytan> hey guys. Is someone working on wifi setup in installer?
[12:17] <sheytan> and avatar support :D
[12:17] <Riddell> not currently
[12:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer was doing avatar
[12:17] <shadeslayer> sheytan: moi
[12:17] <Riddell> but might have dropped it?
[12:17] <shadeslayer> eh no
[12:17] <sheytan> this is must have for 13.04
[12:17] <shadeslayer> sheytan: I have a patch if you want it
[12:17] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yes
[12:17] <Riddell> oh I thought xnox put you off by saying it wasn't going to be in ubuntu desktop
[12:18] <sheytan> shadeslayer: can't you apply it ?
[12:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apply it? it's not finished yet :)
[12:19] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, review merge again. The copyright file is updated now
[12:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how would that play with ppas tho?
[12:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no idea
[12:19] <sheytan> shadeslayer: how can i test this?
[12:19] <shadeslayer> we could set it up so that it plays nicely
[12:19] <shadeslayer> sheytan: sec
[12:19] <sheytan> sure
[12:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I reckon for us ppa upgrades are the more interesting part
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: true
[12:20] <shadeslayer> sheytan:  http://paste.kde.org/671234/
[12:20] <apachelogger> and to that extent we'd need a local ppa mirror
[12:20] <shadeslayer> sheytan: install ubiquity-frontend-kde and then patch ubi-webcam.py
[12:20] <apachelogger> i.e. there is an insane amount of upgrade paths with our ppa releases
[12:20] <shadeslayer> sheytan: then run ubiquity from the command line
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah
[12:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: your paste is missing ui btw :P
[12:22] <shadeslayer> oh true
[12:22] <shadeslayer> sorry
[12:22] <sheytan> shadeslayer: so this is avatar support but what about the wifi?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://paste.kde.org/671246
[12:23] <shadeslayer> sheytan: haven't started on that
[12:23] <sheytan> shadeslayer: ok, one more thing. Can you link me to the slideshows?
[12:23] <sheytan> i will work on that too
[12:23] <sheytan> couse they SUCK a bit :)
[12:24] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/files/head:/slideshows/kubuntu/slides/
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, did Bug 1125111 failed your install? Because I didn't
[12:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: dunno I gave up when I saw it
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it didn't fail for me
[12:25] <Riddell> it also didn't pass :)
[12:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so what is it!?
[12:26] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:26]  * sheytan is happy to have stuff to work on today evening
[12:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HaSzD17HULE/URbUZVcnrAI/AAAAAAAACMM/0YE9x5_-qnM/s1600/installer-prepare.png
[12:27] <shadeslayer> ruh roh
[12:27] <shadeslayer> TMI
[12:27] <shadeslayer> atleast IMHO
[12:27] <shadeslayer> clubbing WiFi and codecs does not make sense
[12:27] <shadeslayer> plus, codecs should come after network selection
[12:28] <shadeslayer> and should only be activated if a active network connection was found
[12:29] <shadeslayer> I'm off for a bit
[12:29] <shadeslayer> cya
[12:29] <apachelogger> stop bickering about ubiquity
[12:29] <apachelogger> I need a boot splash
[12:29] <apachelogger> way more important
[12:29] <shadeslayer> lul
[12:29] <apachelogger> ... I need to change the splash, grub, the text splash and the CD menu
[12:30] <apachelogger> all with some sort of coherent coloring and shit
[12:30] <apachelogger> so I'd rather have a splash than wifi selection in ubiquity
[12:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, looking at the code (ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.precise), it just doesn't make sense it doesn't work
[12:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no it's not fair, hoping cjwatson will find the reason
[12:32] <davmor2> shadeslayer, apachelogger: the codecs aren't just codecs it is also the installer for the proprietary wifi drivers so need to go before the wifi section
[12:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[12:34] <sheytan> apachelogger: wait till evening
[12:35] <davmor2> shadeslayer, apachelogger: I've asked about it several time on the Ubuntu ubiquity version
[12:35] <apachelogger> in that case it needs to look different
[12:35] <apachelogger> should be a button "install me drivers, yo!"
[12:36] <apachelogger> anything other than that is simply silly
[12:36] <smartboyhw> So Riddell will we be able to release alternates at all?
[12:36] <smartboyhw> I mean i386
[12:36] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I don't want to release it with this bug
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm. How about amd64?
[12:37] <Riddell> I guess that's fine
[12:39] <yofel> apachelogger: I'm good at not finding time for a "proper" fix. But I guess I can make it "repr(version) > '1.9'" for now
[12:39] <yofel> which should(?) work
[12:42] <Riddell> I wonder if we should add this patch https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdepimlibs/repository/revisions/2239fb22ea1bb59fced36f2807ec257cd29c7fa9
[12:42] <Riddell> Fix kde Bug 315115 - Akonadi Firstrun doesn't work
[12:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, why not?
[12:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: cos it's effort and the fix will come with 4.10.1
[12:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how many Ubuntu users are affected?
[12:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: by the pim bug?
[12:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep
[12:45] <Riddell> I've no idea, I haven't investigated at all
[12:45]  * smartboyhw is trying to see if Xubuntu has that module thing too...
[12:47] <yofel> apachelogger: "fixed"
[12:47] <yofel> at least the check now is confirmed to work in python2.6 in lucid
[12:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will 4.10.1 be before our final release?
[12:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think so, it's .2 we'll be missing isn't it?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> I /think/ so too
[12:51] <shadeslayer> just wanted to confirm
[12:52] <shadeslayer> doesn't really make sense then
[12:52] <Riddell> well it's easy to look up the schedule pages, I'm just too lazy to do so :)
[12:52] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[12:52] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[12:52] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin 
[12:53] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you also envolved in KDE development?
[12:53] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: a wee bit yes
[12:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, cjwatson suggested it was because -generic vs. -generic-pae
[12:53] <smartboyhw> Grrrr
[12:53]  * smartboyhw goes to the piano to practise (don't worry, my computer is next to it)
[12:54] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Can you give me some advice, as to what I have to study to become eligible to this Google Summer of code KDE projects?
[12:54] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, include me in:P
[12:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what do you want to know?
[12:57] <ovidiu-florin> I haven't developed any KDE apps Yet, But I have some experience in Qt
[12:57] <Riddell> a good start
[12:57] <ovidiu-florin> I'll go ove the KDE techbase, and experiment with it a little
[12:57] <ovidiu-florin> what else do I have to do?
[12:57] <Riddell> show you can code :)
[12:58] <Riddell> find a bug and fix it
[12:58] <smartboyhw> I really like packaging and QA more than dev....:P
[12:58] <ovidiu-florin> I don't understand how an application is structured,or how to make a structure to conform the KDE guidelines
[12:59] <ovidiu-florin> how/where can I learn this?
[12:59] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: each application will be different
[12:59] <ovidiu-florin> by structured I mean how to organize it and it's files
[12:59] <Riddell> but start off by picking a simple one
[12:59] <Riddell> maybe a game 
[12:59] <Riddell> and check it out from git and compile it
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> I want to build something that uses plugins, I've started the research for it
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> It's a CRM, that can be extended for any domain
[13:00] <Riddell> plugins have their uses but don't over-use them, I had to remove a load of plugin cruft from umbrello because it was just getting in the way
[13:01] <ovidiu-florin> I don't have that much experience in that area...
[13:01] <ovidiu-florin> I know how to do simple applications but not more...
[13:02] <Riddell> right, uni and books will give you the simple applications
[13:02] <Riddell> anything complex needs experience
[13:02] <ovidiu-florin> Maybe I could make a minesweeper  replica, but  I'll get lost in the GUI..
[13:02] <Riddell> it's how I got into Umbrello.  "oh so how do you actually code an undo feature?"...
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> and it will take me a lot of time...
[13:03] <Riddell> learning to code is not a quick thing
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> I understand that
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> (am I spamming the channel?)
[13:04] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, it's alright
[13:04] <ovidiu-florin> is this considered off topic?
[13:04] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: I don't think you are spamming, it's a nice conversation, quite interesting.
[13:04] <Riddell> we're here to help new developers 
[13:05] <ovidiu-florin> I got kicked out from CentOS for asking how to build RPM packages (needed for work). That/'s why I'm asking
[13:05] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, how come!?!?!?!
[13:05] <smartboyhw> ridiculous
[13:05] <smartboyhw> They can't do that
[13:05] <ovidiu-florin> nevermind that.. not important...
[13:05] <lordievader> Nice community over there... pffft
[13:05] <Riddell> you'd get kicked out if you asked that here, but .deb packages we'd happily help you with :)
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> I believe I've asked that here, haven't I?
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> if not, then that means I only asked in Kubuntu and ubuntu-ro
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> ok, so back to what Riddell sayd, fix a bug?
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> there's a problem in dolphin I'd love to fix
[13:08] <ovidiu-florin> it freezes when I right click on any file..
[13:08] <ovidiu-florin> on Kubntu 12.04 with backports, so KDE 4.10
[13:08] <ovidiu-florin> I think there's a bug report on that
[13:09] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I confirm
[13:09] <Riddell> that'll be it looking up what actions can be done on that file
[13:10] <Riddell> which is probably code somewhere in kdelibs
[13:10] <ovidiu-florin> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305206 this is similar, but only dolphin freezes, not plasma
[13:10] <Riddell> splitting up that sort of code or adding a cache is probably tricky
[13:10] <Riddell> new 12.04.2 i386 | testers
[13:11] <Riddell> no
[13:11] <Riddell> !testers | new 12.04.2 i386
[13:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[13:12] <smartboyhw> I need to end the Xubuntu installation. Shouldn't take 3 minutes to restart a Kubuntu one
[13:12] <lordievader> Riddell: Downloading now :)
[13:13] <smartboyhw> lordievader, you zsyncing or downloading the whole file?
[13:13] <ovidiu-florin> I have to go to work, I'l come back online from there
[13:13] <ovidiu-florin> be right back
[13:13] <ovidiu-florin> ;)
[13:13] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[13:14] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Zsyncing but I did not already have an older image, so it is downloading the whole file for now.
[13:16] <smartboyhw> zsyncing
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, testing
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't think I saw the error again
[13:23] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you fade-in a background image from black solid color in lightdm?
[13:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: lovely
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[13:29] <lordievader> My live-usb of alternate i386 fails at the detect cdrom step... gonna see if re-making it will fix this problem.
[13:29] <apachelogger> sheytan: yeah
[13:29] <apachelogger> in lightdm we can do almost anything
[13:30] <sheytan> apachelogger: so imagine...
[13:30] <apachelogger> in plymouth we have a whole bunch of limitations
[13:30] <Mirv> Riddell: can you push the release commits of qtbase/qtdeclarative/qtwebkit to bzr?
[13:30] <sheytan> we have a black screen with a glowing logo like you just did. Then we disappear the logo, fade-in the background and other ldm stuff
[13:31] <apachelogger> that could work
[13:31] <sheytan> yeah
[13:31] <sheytan> and this won't be disturbing couse the background is really dark
[13:32] <sheytan> it will look like we fade in only the noise effect from the background
[13:32] <sheytan> can you make a demo?
[13:32] <sheytan> and please, glow the logo with white, not blue :)
[13:32] <apachelogger> have you heared back from nuno on the background yet?
[13:32] <sheytan> nope
[13:33] <apachelogger> :S
[13:33] <sheytan> wrote him an email
[13:33] <apachelogger> demo will take a while
[13:33] <sheytan> ok
[13:35] <Riddell> Mirv: oh sure sorry
[13:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: tried searching for junior jobs?
[13:41] <Riddell> some projects mark bugs as junior jobs for people getting into contributing
[13:41] <ovidiu-florin> on kde bugs?
[13:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[13:42] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, think so
[13:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, phew must all testcases be pased!?
[13:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yep
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, god. OK
[13:43] <Riddell> a release is no small task
[13:43] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thank's
[13:43] <ovidiu-florin> I'm at work right now, so I'll look over some as soon as I get some time
[13:43] <agateau> Riddell: hi, I'd like to do some work on ubiquity tomorrow, is the bug regarding partition names not being shown still valid?
[13:43] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you said you are doing the lucid -> precise upgrades how's it going!?
[13:44] <shadeslayer> slow
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Grrr
[13:44] <Riddell> agateau: oh cool, yes it is
[13:44] <agateau> Riddell: ok. Any hint on how to set things up to work on ubiquity?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> agateau: install ubiquity-frontend-kde and modify the files?
[13:45] <Riddell> agateau: there's a bunch of work items we also had for ubiquity
[13:45] <shadeslayer> it's all python
[13:45] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: http://i.imgur.com/K4PeYJs.png
[13:45] <agateau> shadeslayer: I mean: how do you test it?
[13:45] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh no. 26 min 27 s Hmmm.....
[13:45] <Riddell> agateau: if it's before the install step you can just do it locally but after you need to work on a virtual machine or a live system you don't care about doing the install on
[13:45] <shadeslayer> agateau: just run ubiquity from the terminal :)
[13:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you could also adjust the weighting so it appears before the install step
[13:46] <shadeslayer> see http://paste.kde.org/671246 for an example on how to do that
[13:46] <Riddell> aye
[13:46] <shadeslayer> er
[13:46] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/671234/
[13:46] <agateau> Riddell: I take it partitioning is before the install step
[13:47] <shadeslayer> agateau: yeah, though if you're hacking on the partition steps, a VM would be better
[13:47] <Riddell> agateau: well it is the install step so be careful :)
[13:47] <agateau> yeah, and I need a windows partition to reproduce it
[13:48] <agateau> "it" being the bug I am after
[13:48] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: 26 mins when I get a good download speed :P
[13:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I saw it from imgur:P
[13:48] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[13:49] <Riddell> Mirv: qtwebkit committed, qtbase and qtdeclarative seem to already be there
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Damn real tired from at least 9 hours of testing
[13:55] <Mirv> Riddell: I think those are the rejected ones
[13:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: don't burn out!
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, interesting look at the "Precise 12.04.2" section of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers
[13:56] <Mirv> and then had the copyright fixes added before reuploading
[13:56] <ovidiu-florin> My computer is frozen, reooting
[14:00]  * shadeslayer hides
[14:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, why? (yawns)
[14:01]  * yofel is invisible since long ago
[14:01] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I'm not on that link :P
[14:01] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers
[14:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ah:P
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, is it that we can skip Wubi?
[14:04] <ovidiu-florin> what is virtuoso-t ? (a process in System Activity hogging the CPU)
[14:04] <Riddell> smartboyhw: mm well I can't test it at least
[14:04] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ooh that waskely nepomuk
[14:04] <agateau> Riddell: do you have the url for ubiquity work items?
[14:04] <ovidiu-florin> can I kill it?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think we need to skip it. NO testers at all
[14:05] <Riddell> agateau: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-ubiquity-other
[14:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes
[14:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah likely, we'll need to beg skaet_ for forgiveness
[14:05] <ovidiu-florin> it came back
[14:05] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: yeah, don't kill it, nepomuk will start it automagically
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think she will
[14:06] <shadeslayer> just let it do it's thing, it'll consume some CPU cycles for 20-30 minutes
[14:06] <shadeslayer> and then quiet down
[14:06] <ovidiu-florin> ah....
[14:07] <shadeslayer> if you want to completely kill it, you'll have to stop nepomuk, log out and login
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> no, it's just that I can barely work....
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> my CPU is always at 80% or more
[14:08] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:08] <smartboyhw> I really can't understand why a 14-year-old can survive through that many long hours of testing...I need to re-study Physics or Biology
[14:09] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: can you run nepomukcleaner if you're on 4.10 once virtuoso-t dies down
[14:09] <agateau> Riddell: thanks
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: it calmed down now...
[14:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: bah, it'll look much better on your CV being an elite kubuntu dev rather than getting an A in biology :)
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> it's at ~5%
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:09] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: ah, okay, try and run nepomukcleaner
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think I am elite Kubuntu dev and elite (really) Kubuntu tester:P
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I am actually elite Kubuntu packager
[14:10] <smartboyhw> I know nothing about dev
[14:10] <smartboyhw> I do know a bit C++, C, VB and Java
[14:10] <smartboyhw> But I'm CRAP in programming:P
[14:16] <shadeslayer> huzzah 95% complete
[14:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that's about 4 more programming languages than I knew when I was 14 :)
[14:17] <Riddell> assuming you don't count GWBasic as a programming language
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:17] <smartboyhw> I don't know GWBasic though
[14:17] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, huzzah
[14:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's that?
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: upgrade from Lucid -> Precise
[14:18] <shadeslayer> i386
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Yepee
[14:18] <smartboyhw> But we still got oneiric -> Precise
[14:18] <smartboyhw> And I don't have time for that....
[14:18] <shadeslayer> just taking an insane amount of time because the server doesn't have enough bandwidth I guess
[14:19] <shadeslayer> or the archive is just under alot of load
[14:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you doing a local upgrade?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hah no, it's in a KVM on a server in the UK :P
[14:22] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !
[14:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: using vnc or console?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will make i386 alternate ready before 14:22 GMT I think
[14:23] <smartboyhw> (i.e. all testcases are completed)
[14:23] <smartboyhw> It's working great now
[14:23] <smartboyhw> No that such big bugs happening
[14:24] <shadeslayer> VNC :)
[14:24] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Damn it it should be 14:52 GMT
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sorry wrong time:P
[14:35] <shadeslayer> Running lucid seems like such a blast from the past
[14:35] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, i386 alternates all done:)
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think from the ISO QA Tracker except Wubi everything is alright!!!!
[14:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: great, thanks so much for testing those
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[14:50] <Riddell> oh and 13.04 is all good too http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/255/builds
[14:50] <Riddell> maybe I will get to go on this valentines date after all :)
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, see ya?:P
[14:52] <genii-around> Riddell: You work hard, I hope your Valentines date works out, you deserve it.
[14:52]  * smartboyhw +1's genii-around's message
[14:58] <Riddell> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/12.04.2-release is ready to be published when it gets released
[14:58] <Riddell> lots of updated needed on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download-lts
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, /me can't read it:P
[15:03] <lordievader> Yayy \o/
[15:05] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay \o/\o/\o/\o/
[15:06] <Riddell> lordievader: all because of you!
[15:06] <shadeslayer> fun, Qt Contributor summit to be hosted along with Akademy
[15:06] <Riddell> that out yet?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> It was on facebook
[15:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, still doing the upgrades?:P
[15:07] <shadeslayer> so I guess yes?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: heh yes :P
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://dot.kde.org/2013/02/14/akademy-and-qt-contributor-summit-join-forces
[15:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you said it was 95 percent
[15:07] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: 95% downloaded
[15:07] <shadeslayer> it's unpacking stuff now
[15:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK
[15:07] <smartboyhw> That should be faster
[15:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go seaLne 
[15:08] <lordievader> Riddell: Hehe, thanks. But smartboyhw deserver more praise. As do you!
[15:08] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:08] <smartboyhw> :D
[15:08] <lordievader> deserve*
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: indeed :)
[15:08] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:15]  * Riddell out for a bit
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, for your Valentine date?
[15:15] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[15:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: not yet, some hours to go for that
[15:16] <lordievader> Hehe :)
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Thank you Riddell ScottK shadeslayer lordievader apachelogger and anyone would made Raring Alpha 2 and 12.04.2 possible
[15:18] <shadeslayer> sleeeeeepppyyyyy :(
[15:18] <smartboyhw> extremely tired
[15:18] <lordievader> smartboyhw: You forgot to add yourself to the list ;) It's awesome to be part of the Kubuntu Tester Team, I should have joined earlier!
[15:19] <smartboyhw> lordievader, no no no it's just service. I do it for 3 flavours:P
[15:19] <ScottK> lordievader: Thanks' for showing up now.  It really is a big help for the development process to have people helping out with the testing.
[15:19] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Nice :)
[15:20] <smartboyhw> lordievader, I just love ISO testing
[15:20] <lordievader> ScottK: No problem, as I said, it's awesome :)
[15:33] <shadeslayer> upgrade pretty much done btw
[15:35] <shadeslayer> huzzah
[15:35] <shadeslayer> I have a desktop after upgrade
[15:36] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, that's great!:P
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Bye guys
[15:45] <lordievader> Sleep well, smarter 
[15:45] <lordievader> smartboyhw ^
[15:45] <lordievader> That was too late...
[15:55] <yofel__> smartboyhw: that was a short break :P
[15:55] <smartboyhw> I should be asleep. Using mobilr
[15:56] <yofel__> thanks to all the testers from my side too (as I didn't get to do much :/)
[15:56] <smartboyhw> s/mobilr/mobile/
[15:56] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "I should be asleep. Using mobile"
[15:56] <yofel__> hehe
[16:14] <murthy> hello everyone
[16:14] <lordievader> Hey murthy How are you?
[16:14] <murthy> lordievader: fine, you?
[16:15] <smartboyhw> hi murthy
[16:15] <lordievader> Yeah doing good :) 12.04.2 and raring alpha 2 are ready for release :D
[16:16] <smartboyhw> yay
[16:16] <murthy> kubotu: cool
[16:16] <murthy> smartboyhw: hi
[16:17] <murthy> smartboyhw: cantata?
[16:17] <murthy> shadeslayer: hi
[16:17] <murthy> shadeslayer: ati driver issue fixed?
[16:17] <smartboyhw> Haven't checked yet,I just went through 10 hours of testing 
[16:18] <murthy> smartboyhw: nice
[16:18] <murthy> smartboyhw: how is the quality?
[16:18] <smartboyhw> Great!
[16:19] <murthy> lordievader: when will raring alpa 2 be released?
[16:20] <lordievader> murthy: Today :D
[16:20] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:20] <murthy> smartboyhw: I feel day by the quality is getting and one day even the beta will have no bugs
[16:20] <murthy> smartboyhw: I feel day by the quality is getting good and one day even the beta will have no bugs
[16:20] <murthy> lordievader: today , when/
[16:20] <murthy> lordievader: today , when?
[16:20] <smartboyhw> murthy: yay
[16:21] <lordievader> murthy: Phew that is something I do not know... I've only been a tester for a week ;)
[16:21] <murthy> lordievader: thats ok, I am very eager :)
[16:29] <sheytan> did somebody removed the sharing KCM already?
[16:29] <smartboyhw> ?
[16:29] <sheytan> and btw there was someone working on this
[16:29] <sheytan> to improve it
[16:30] <sheytan> shadeslayer: wasn't this you ^ ?
[16:53] <skaet_> Riddell, just to confirm,  you're good with publishing the alpha 2 images?    I'm noticing them marked as ready now.  :)
[16:53] <Riddell> skaet_: yep i386, amd64 and active i386 good to go
[16:54] <Riddell> however I need to do the release pages
[16:54] <Riddell> skaet_: where's your release notes?
[16:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell: You stillhaven
[16:55] <smartboyhw> 't written the post?
[16:55] <smartboyhw> That's a surprise
[16:55] <shadeslayer> sheytan: nope
[16:58] <skaet_> Riddell,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/Alpha2/Kubuntu is what's been pulled together so far.   Feel free to add more Kubuntu specific.
[16:58] <Riddell> skaet_: ooh you have done that, lovely :)
[16:58] <skaet_> Riddell,  after its published,  you'll be sending out the email is my assumption.
[16:58] <skaet_> s/its/the images/
[16:58] <kubotu> skaet_ meant: "Riddell,  after the images published,  you'll be sending out the email is my assumption."
[16:59] <skaet_> :)  /me likes kubotu
[16:59]  * smartboyhw too
[17:05] <Riddell> skaet_: "Kubuntu should now be able to support UEFI Secure Boot" hmm I don't think anyone has tested that
[17:07] <skaet_> Riddell,  strike it then
[17:07] <skaet_> :)
[17:07] <Riddell> skaet_: well shouldn't doesn't mean it does
[17:08] <skaet_> (or rather,  not really happy we haven't tested it, but let doc reflect what's known)
[17:08] <smartboyhw> it should
[17:08] <Riddell> s/shouldn't/should/
[17:08] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "skaet_: well should doesn't mean it does"
[17:09] <skaet_> Riddell,  indeed.   
[17:32] <agateau> Riddell: I am going to install raring in a vm to work on ubiquity. If I create a second hard drive for this vm, I should be able to tell ubiquity to install on the 2nd drive, right?
[17:32] <Riddell> agateau: using the manual installer yes
[17:33] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[17:42]  * Riddell makes https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/13.04-alpha2  ready for when it appears
[17:43] <smartboyhw> Yay
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kubuntu_12.jpg needs fixing some time
[17:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why? that's our released version
[17:52] <shadeslayer> no compositing :P
[17:52] <Riddell> how can you tell?
[17:52] <Riddell> oh the panel
[17:53] <shadeslayer> right :)
[18:04] <afiestas> I have been thinking that KScreen is showing to be quite stable
[18:04] <smartboyhw> good
[18:04] <afiestas> Fedora will have it... which let me to the question: should we put it as well?
[18:05] <smartboyhw> afiestas: We already HAVE kscreen in Ubuntu
[18:05] <afiestas> smartboyhw: by default I mean
[18:06] <smartboyhw> afistas: That's one of the suggestion in the Etherpad
[18:07] <shadeslayer> uh
[18:07] <shadeslayer> afiestas: kscreen is already seeded
[18:07] <shadeslayer> by default
[18:07] <smartboyhw> lol
[18:07] <Riddell> we already have it on the CD
[18:07] <Riddell> infact it should be added to the alpha 2 wiki page
[18:07] <Riddell> but what still needs done is removing xrandr
[18:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:08] <shadeslayer> afiestas: http://paste.kde.org/671558/
[18:08] <smartboyhw> Shouldn't be difficult...
[18:08] <Riddell> well if you're looking for something to do smartboyhw.. :)
[18:08] <afiestas> ok, it is on then !
[18:09] <afiestas> package snapshot for alpha2 if possible
[18:09] <afiestas> we fixed almost all reproted bug
[18:09] <afiestas> *reported
[18:09] <smartboyhw> Tmr. It's 2:09 AM now
[18:09] <Riddell> time to sleep smartboyhw!
[18:10] <smartboyhw> yep
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how about adding that users should hold off reporting bugs against kscreen for a bit
[18:12] <shadeslayer> like a week, which would give us enough time to update it and push it out
[18:12] <afiestas> Any concrete issue in Kubuntu alpha1/2 I should look at?
[18:12] <Riddell> well it's not on the wiki page at all for now
[18:12] <shadeslayer> none that I know of
[18:15] <Riddell> I'm going out in about 15 minutes, anyone around to publish the website articles and send out the email?
[18:16] <Riddell> skaet_: can you send out the alpha 2 e-mail?
[18:17] <skaet_> Riddell,  I'm heading out as well (in Cambridge UK)
[18:18] <skaet_> sorry.   :(   
[18:21] <dantti> rbelem: around?
[18:21] <rbelem> dantti, yup :-)
[18:22] <dantti> can you join kde-brasil and tell Freax how to setup the samba share thing?
[18:22] <dantti> rbelem: is it upstream already no?
[18:22] <dantti> #kde-brasil
[18:23] <rbelem> dantti, yup :-)
[18:35] <Riddell> I'm off out, please shadeslayer or ScottK or someone with the password update URLs and publish stories when announce goes out
[18:36] <Riddell> also I sent an e-mail to u-d-a list for slangasek to approve
[18:36] <shadeslayer> uhh .... what time are they suppossed to go out?
[18:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: whenever the e-mails appear on ubuntu-devel-announce
[18:36] <Riddell> it's all syncing now
[18:36] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[18:36] <shadeslayer> I'm probably up for another hour
[18:37] <Riddell> you might catch it then
[18:37] <Riddell> I think 12.04.2 will be first
[18:37] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:37]  * shadeslayer will keep an eye out
[19:24] <shadeslayer> is 12.04.2 out?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> Mythbuntu published their story
[19:33] <yofel_> shadeslayer: any idea what's wrong here? http://paste.kde.org/671594
[19:33] <yofel_> bzr-builder on launchpad crashes
[19:33] <yofel_> and running the raring one locally ends with
[19:33] <yofel_> bzr: ERROR: Invalid deb-version: {debupstream}+git20130214~d76da76-0~483~raring1: Invalid version string '{debupstream}+git20130214~d76da76-0~483~raring1'
[19:33] <yofel_> as debupstream isn't replaced
[19:33] <shadeslayer> hm
[19:33] <shadeslayer> possibly etooold bzr-builder?
[19:34] <yofel_> well, for launchpad I blame the hardy xen image that runs python2.5
[19:34] <yofel_> but here I have bzr-builder 0.7.3-0ubuntu1
[19:34] <yofel_> and debupstream is supported since ages
[19:35] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:35] <shadeslayer> boog? but really, I have no idea
[19:35] <shadeslayer> why it would fail
[19:35]  * yofel_ runs apt-get source bzr-builder
[19:47] <yofel_> {debupstream:packaging} works, so bug in either bzr-builder or docs
[19:47] <yofel_> that strips the epoch though
[19:48] <yofel_> shadeslayer: having bzr-builder fall apart on me because of kdelibs feels like neon all over again :D
[19:48] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:53] <shadeslayer> yofel_: do you have admin access to release stories and what not?
[19:53] <yofel_> release stories? If you mean www-admin, I do
[19:53] <shadeslayer> yeah, awesome
[19:53] <shadeslayer> I'm probably going to head off to bed in 10-15 minutes
[19:54] <yofel> I'm not exaclty sure what to do there either. The images are in place, but I see no official announcement so far
[19:54] <yofel> maybe we should just go ahead?
[19:55] <yofel> the 12.04 download page needs editing after that
[19:56] <shadeslayer> hmm, true
[19:56] <yofel> errrr
[19:56] <yofel> it needs editing *now*
[19:56] <yofel> as the images were already replaced
[19:56] <yofel> I'll do it
[19:56] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:56] <shadeslayer> okay
[19:57] <shadeslayer> I thought the old images are kept
[19:57] <yofel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[19:57] <yofel> -> 404
[19:57] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:57] <shadeslayer> btw
[19:57] <shadeslayer> Download the Kubuntu installer to create your own installation CD. The download process can take a while, depending on your connection speed. 
[19:57] <shadeslayer> can you also fix that while you're at it
[19:57] <shadeslayer> people are downloading the ISO, not a "Kubuntu installer"
[19:57] <yofel> "Download the Kubuntu installer to create your own installation CD." er, what?
[19:58] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[19:58] <yofel> ah ok
[19:58] <yofel> yeah, *that* makes sense
[20:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://store.steampowered.com/sale/linux_release
[20:00] <shadeslayer> incase you missed it
[20:01] <yofel> I did, niiiice :D
[20:02] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:02] <shadeslayer> just noticed in #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:02] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ^
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> niceee
[20:09] <yofel> ok, image links fixed
[20:10] <yofel> "Wubi is an officially supported Kubuntu installer for Windows users ..."
[20:10] <yofel> uhm
[20:10] <yofel> well, whatever
[20:11] <lordievader> No one tested that on the 12.04.2 image :P
[20:12] <yofel> I guess I could use my windows VM to give it a try. It "worked" in quantal. worked in large quotes
[20:12] <lordievader> Hehehe ;)
[20:15] <shadeslayer> stuff released
[20:15] <shadeslayer> go go go go
[20:20] <yofel> done
[20:20] <snele> guys does 12.04.2 have kernel and mesa from quantal?
[20:20] <yofel> nope
[20:20] <snele> ok thanks
[20:21] <yofel> (nobody really notified us about that and we noticed too late that this was planned
[20:21] <yofel> )
[20:21] <yofel> snele: that counts only for the image though, you can still download those from the archive
[20:22] <shadeslayer> actually, it was on ubuntu-devel , we just didn't realize that it won't be updated automagically
[20:22] <shadeslayer> search for "LTS Enablement Stack"
[20:23] <snele> yofel: shadeslayer: and how is that meta package called (which pulls kernel mesa etc from quantal) ?
[20:23] <snele> I read somewhere that this kind of meta package should exist but I cannot find it in muon
[20:23] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:23] <snele> lts-quantal something I think
[20:23] <shadeslayer> something something lts something
[20:23] <shadeslayer> I don' remember 
[20:23] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:23] <snele> :)
[20:23] <shadeslayer> something like that :P
[20:25] <yofel> snele: that's what you can choose from: http://paste.kde.org/671666
[20:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: ah, but that's like september. No wonder everyone forgot
[20:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah :)
[20:26] <apachelogger> sheytan: ping
[20:26] <shadeslayer> should have been sent again atleast 2-3 weeks before release
[20:26] <sheytan> apachelogger: pong
[20:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: how to do a white glow?
[20:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, cj said that he forgot to do that, so nvm I guess
[20:27] <apachelogger> like I suppose the gear parts need some sort of border or something
[20:27] <apachelogger> otherwise white gears + white glow would look like blurry white gears, no?
[20:27] <sheytan> apachelogger: they don't just try as you already done but with white color
[20:30] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/14/plasma-desktopTP2166.png
[20:30] <sheytan> if you don't put much glow
[20:30] <sheytan> it won't
[20:30] <sheytan> this could be good ;)
[20:30] <apachelogger> mhh
[20:30] <apachelogger> looks a bit weird just now
[20:30] <apachelogger> with all three glowy
[20:30] <sheytan> please try a white logo with white glow without borders
[20:30] <sheytan> but don't put much glow
[20:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try glowing one of the gear thingy at a time?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> and make them glow clockwise or sth?
[20:45] <afiestas> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287513#c9
[20:51] <yofel> is jockey broken? -> #kubuntu
[20:51] <yofel> not sure what AppIndicator3 would have to do with jockey-text
[20:56] <lordievader> yofel: It allways claims that, however appart from the error it works fine.
[20:57] <yofel> hm, ok then
[20:57] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-transit.webm
[20:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's how it works
[20:57] <shadeslayer> awesome :D
[20:58] <apachelogger> sheytan: note that I dunno if the transition will be as smooth.. that video is entirely qml
[20:58] <sheytan> apachelogger: that's not a big issue even if it's not ;)
[20:58] <sheytan> looks good
[20:58] <shadeslayer> indeedly
[20:58]  * apachelogger still does not like the glow
[20:58] <sheytan> but you did not make the background black :D
[20:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: because the nuno background is also not black
[20:59] <sheytan> you came out with the glow dude :D
[20:59] <yofel> hm...
[21:00] <yofel> the glow isn't bad, but why does the 1st stop glowing while the 3rd part is still glowing up?
[21:01] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/14/plasma-desktopyJ2166.png
[21:01] <apachelogger> sheytan: why not background in plymouth?
[21:02] <apachelogger> yofel: because?
[21:02] <sheytan> apachelogger: i thought about it, but you propably will use the 800x600 res which will break the experience :)
[21:02] <apachelogger> nah
[21:02] <apachelogger> the background is a tile
[21:03] <sheytan> this will look good if you use the background in hi-res in plymouth
[21:03] <apachelogger> there is no high-res
[21:03] <sheytan> yet
[21:03] <apachelogger>         source: "lightdm/images/tilebg.png"
[21:03] <apachelogger>         fillMode: Image.Tile
[21:03] <apachelogger> no
[21:03] <apachelogger> there is litterally no high res because it is a tiling image
[21:03] <yofel> how large is that tile?
[21:03] <apachelogger> 200x200
[21:04] <sheytan> i cannot be, couse it has some lighter shadow inside of it
[21:04] <yofel> ok, that'll work as long as it crops instead of resizing
[21:04] <apachelogger> that's an overlay
[21:04] <sheytan> so having one tile won't do this effect
[21:04] <apachelogger> yofel: I doubt very much plymouth cares whether a sprite goes off-window ^^
[21:05] <sheytan> apachelogger: do you have that image somwhere?
[21:05] <sheytan> the tile
[21:05] <yofel> good then
[21:05] <apachelogger> that being said... it could still have performance implications
[21:05] <apachelogger> as plymouth has no native tiling
[21:06] <apachelogger> sheytan: yes?
[21:06] <sheytan> apachelogger: i've done some magic on my pc and puted 1080p background in /lib/plymouth as far as i remember right. It worked fine :)
[21:06] <snele> guys I think you should add "kubuntu" to the logo. I installed kubuntu 12.04 to a lot of people and they don't know what (distribution) they are using.
[21:06] <apachelogger> sheytan: of course it works
[21:06] <apachelogger> I even have code for native resolution lookup
[21:06] <sheytan> good
[21:06] <sheytan> we still wait for nuno ;.
[21:06] <sheytan> ;/
[21:06] <apachelogger> the problem is that the entire theme is put into one binary that is loaded before the kernel is loaded
[21:07] <genii-around> snele: I'm still getting a Debian logo :(
[21:07] <apachelogger> so it goes grub -> loads file -> file is some 100 mb big -> can take a while
[21:07] <apachelogger> which is why we used the 800x600 version of the aryia thingy
[21:07] <sheytan> 800x600 is maybe few kb less then 1080p
[21:07] <sheytan> in jpg
[21:07] <sheytan> is plymouth 100mb heavy?
[21:08] <apachelogger> no
[21:08] <apachelogger> native resolutions of a wallpaper are
[21:08] <apachelogger> that being said
[21:08] <apachelogger> if you put a bigger image in it will have to be scaled down
[21:08] <apachelogger> which then again slows down the boot
[21:09] <sheytan> but comeon. ppl don't that old machines anymore
[21:09] <sheytan> and if they do, they've got slack or gentoo on it without x
[21:09] <apachelogger> I did not talk about old machines
[21:13] <sheytan> so we don't have to care about boot time that much. If we have 2-3 sec diffrence, noboy will even notice tha.
[21:13] <sheytan> imho if we put background to plymouth it has to be atleast 1080p
[21:13] <sheytan> else it's a bad idea, couse it will look bad
[21:14] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you soruce me to that tile imge?
[21:15] <apachelogger> nope
[21:16] <sheytan> apachelogger: so how do  you know it's 200x200?
[21:16] <apachelogger> caused I looked at it
[21:17] <yofel> genii-around: for ksplash? if you still get 'joy' you'll have to change that in the config
[21:17] <sheytan> apachelogger: ok. lets wait till nuno will share the background with me.
[21:17] <sheytan> or i will do one by myself
[21:21] <genii-around> yofel: I changed to air now
[21:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: yeah, you could just cut a tile out of a screenshot :P
[21:22] <apachelogger> or something
[21:22] <sheytan> working on it ;)
[21:24] <genii-around> yofel: Sorry, "Default", my desktop theme is Air
[21:34] <phoenix_firebrd> Do i have to mention adding the missing files to the .install file in tghe changelog?
[21:36] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ^
[21:39] <apachelogger>             background.sprite[wSprites][hSprites] = SpriteNew();
[21:39] <apachelogger>             background.sprite[wSprites][hSprites].SetImage(background.tile);
[21:39] <apachelogger>             background.sprite[wSprites][hSprites].SetPosition(wSprites * background.tile.GetWidth(), hSprites * background.tile.GetHeight(), 0);
[21:39] <apachelogger> really somewhat mad if you think about it
[21:40] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: game?
[21:40] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:40] <apachelogger> plymouth2k
[21:40] <phoenix_firebrd> omg
[21:41] <phoenix_firebrd> you were serious
[21:41] <apachelogger> course
[21:41] <apachelogger> oh
[21:41] <apachelogger> lol
[21:41] <apachelogger> the logo will be fun
[21:41] <phoenix_firebrd> do you have a cast?
[21:41] <apachelogger> like in qml it's place that $root in center of center; place gears relative to the $root's x/y
[21:42] <apachelogger> fortunately in plymouth there is neither a center nor a relative x/y 
[21:42] <apachelogger> phoenix_firebrd: what cast?
[21:42] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: video
[21:42] <apachelogger> does not compute
[21:42] <phoenix_firebrd> ok
[21:42] <apachelogger> ah
[21:42] <apachelogger> posted it ealier somewhere
[21:43] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-transit.webm
[21:43] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: you should at least mention that you edited it, somehow
[21:43] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: this is nice, simple and elegant 
[21:43] <apachelogger> hm
[21:44] <apachelogger> anyone got a dualscreen setup with working plymouth?
[21:44] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[21:44] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: the black background is ok?
[21:44] <yofel> apachelogger: I think the last time I had 2 monitors attached it duplicated the splash
[21:44] <yofel> I think...
[21:45] <apachelogger> wondering right now...
[21:45] <apachelogger> oh
[21:45] <apachelogger> actually
[21:45] <apachelogger> this is fun
[21:45] <apachelogger> plymouth can have n windows
[21:45] <apachelogger> each with different dimension
[21:46] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: the effects timing has to be tweaked 
[21:47] <apachelogger> and apparently pos(0,0) is in fact window[0]'s 0,0, whereas window[1] would perhaps be pos(800,0) 
[21:47] <apachelogger> it's somewhat weird really
[21:47] <apachelogger> phoenix_firebrd: yeah, talk with yofel about that
[21:47] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ^
[21:48] <yofel> huh, I told you my opinion on the timing
[21:48] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what did you tell him?
 the glow isn't bad, but why does the 1st stop glowing while the 3rd part is still glowing up?
[21:49] <yofel> but thinking about it, that actually has some logic
[21:49] <yofel> we just only have 3 pieces
[21:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i see something different, the time of 2nd gear glow start is faster than the 3rd's
[21:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i should be equal to look like a chain reactiojn
[21:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: *reaction
[21:51] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ati issue solved?
[21:51]  * yofel watches again
[21:51] <shadeslayer> nope, I gave up
[21:51] <shadeslayer> anyway
[21:52] <shadeslayer> off to sleep I am
[21:52] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: good night, i am awake till 5 am :)
[21:52] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: in the 2nd animation run?
[21:52] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: can you paste the timings?
[21:52] <apachelogger> ..................
[21:52] <apachelogger> see
[21:53] <apachelogger> while you are wondering about how to make the timing not suck, I am wondering how to make the timing happen in plymouth
[21:53] <apachelogger> perspective people, perspective
[21:53] <yofel> good pint
[21:53] <yofel> *point even
[21:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel:  thats right
[21:54] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: forgot that\
[21:54] <apachelogger> even more important... how to make the logo happen ^^
[21:54] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[21:55] <yofel> *BLINK*
[21:55] <yofel> the ubuntu-logo theme is a plymouth patch o.O
[21:55] <phoenix_firebrd> are we shifting from our blue theme?
[21:56] <yofel> apachelogger: does plymouth have some kind of API docs or are you reading the source?
[21:57] <apachelogger> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth/Scripts
[21:57] <apachelogger> reading the source is actually more useful than that ^^
[21:57] <yofel> fun
[21:58] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: this thing is old right?
[21:58] <yofel> wth is "progress" in plymouth context
[21:58] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: the ubuntu people have new direction for using qml in plymouth?
[21:59] <phoenix_firebrd>  I came across something about this , that were discussed in uds
[21:59] <apachelogger> hm?
[22:00] <apachelogger> using actual qml in plymouth ought to be somewhat ... difficult
[22:00] <apachelogger> perhaps redo plymouth using qml or something
[22:00] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: searching for the post, may in omgubuntu
[22:01] <doctorpepper> hi guys!
[22:01] <phoenix_firebrd> nm
[22:01] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: hi
[22:03] <doctorpepper> is there any way to get detailed informations  about  plasma-desktop  memory  usage ?
[22:03] <sheytan> apachelogger: here i come
[22:03] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: in system activity
[22:04] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: right click plasma-desktop process and select "detailed memory informatiom"
[22:05] <doctorpepper> phoenix_firebrd: looked there but i dont get the detail i need  , i am looking to know why  plasma-desktop is  using a lot  of memory 
[22:06] <doctorpepper> about 200M 
[22:06] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: for programming purpose?
[22:06] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: i mean for debugging?
[22:07] <doctorpepper> kind of ,  i am trying to reduce  my kde memory  to a bare minimum 
[22:08] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: use valgrind
[22:08] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://imageshack.us/a/img15/1741/bg1lo.png  http://imageshack.us/a/img577/9308/bg2ft.png
[22:08] <apachelogger> what's that?
[22:09] <sheytan> backgrounds
[22:10] <doctorpepper> by the way  i found  a bug ,  but  i cant  figure out  if its a kubuntu specefic bug.  the bug is related nemopuk  in the kcm u can set memory limit for the virtuoso-t process  i put it  to 75m but  still this process  use  up to 230M of memory 
[22:11] <yofel> are you kidding me? http://paste.kde.org/671726
[22:11] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/671732/
[22:11] <apachelogger> it's very lol
[22:11] <apachelogger> lololo
[22:13] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/14/plasma-desktopoz2166.png
[22:13] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: you can file a bug report or you can ask the guys in the #nepomuk-kde channel about this
[22:13] <apachelogger> completely done in plymouth tho
[22:14] <apachelogger> doctorpepper: where's the mem usage number from?
[22:15] <doctorpepper> ksysguard
[22:15] <apachelogger> may be a memleak then
[22:15] <yofel> doctorpepper, phoenix_firebrd: for plasma, rather try #plasma - if they're in a good mood
[22:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya
[22:16] <yofel> memleak in some widget probably
[22:16] <apachelogger> how would that leak into virtuoso?
[22:16] <sheytan_> apachelogger: http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/3311/bg2test.png
[22:16] <yofel> ah, I missed virtuoso
[22:16] <yofel> me should be sleeping
[22:16] <apachelogger> sheytan_: I am not sure what you want me to do with those?
[22:17] <phoenix_firebrd> virtuoso?
[22:17] <sheytan_> that's just my demo right now
[22:17] <phoenix_firebrd> isn't it got replaced?
[22:17] <apachelogger> k
[22:17] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: not that I know of, you probably mean strigi
[22:18] <phoenix_firebrd> ah , sorry
[22:18] <phoenix_firebrd> in that case no such process running in my system
[22:19] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: have you installed nepomuk-webminer?
[22:20] <phoenix_firebrd> sheytan_: does that outer right have a final glow?
[22:20] <phoenix_firebrd> sheytan_: after the 3 gear segment ?
[22:20] <phoenix_firebrd> sheytan_: *ring
[22:20] <sheytan_> it could ;)
[22:20] <sheytan_> it's just a demo
[22:21] <phoenix_firebrd> sheytan_: in that case , can you try that and show?
[22:21] <sheytan_> i'm not doing code. Just artwork. ask apachelogger for that ;)
[22:21] <doctorpepper> phoenix_firebrd: i dont think. it doesnt exist in the repo 
[22:22] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: ya, its not yet available there
[22:22] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: ya, have you tried in the nepomuk-kde, the guys there could help you
[22:23] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: ah i see , you there
[22:23] <doctorpepper> i asked  my  question  but for the moment no  answer
[22:24] <phoenix_firebrd> doctorpepper: can you come to #kubuntu ?
[22:24] <doctorpepper> what nepomuk-webminer is used for ? 
[22:26] <sheytan_> apachelogger: what about a light version. simple and nice http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9670/test1ax.png
[22:26] <sheytan_> ofcourse we would use the same background for ldm
[22:27] <apachelogger> sheytan_: ask the people
[22:36] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i added the missing files to the .install file, after that rebuilding gives me an error "cp: cannot stat './usr/include/modem-glib/modem/call.h': No such file or directory"
[22:37] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: partial log http://paste.kde.org/671756/
[22:37] <sheytan_> apachelogger: the big problem here is that we want to have upstream default settings
[22:38] <sheytan_> so we always do default login and splash
[22:38] <sheytan_> and if i don;t know what it will look like, i cannot create plymouth to fit with it
[22:40] <sheytan> and imho kde's default splash take too long time, new users don't know what few fading in icons mean, and it's not really needed
[22:40] <sheytan> btw splash and login stuff are those thing no one cares about
[22:40] <sheytan> and they're important too
[22:41] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[22:44] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: a) you probably wrote it as "./usr", the ./ breaks it. b) that's a header, please add a -dev package for it and the corresponding .so
[22:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats the .install file http://paste.kde.org/671762/
[22:46] <yofel> you should be able to drop debian/tmp/ from there
[22:46] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i will paste the full log
[22:46] <yofel> please paste the control file while you're at it
[22:47] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: full log http://paste.kde.org/671768/
[22:47] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the control file http://paste.kde.org/671774/
[22:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: do you want the log with the missing list?
[22:50] <yofel> nah, that should be enough
[22:50] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth.webm
[22:51] <apachelogger> doing an animation will be fun
[22:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: this is the old log with the missing list http://paste.kde.org/671780/
[22:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the -./ is present in that 
[22:52] <yofel> I'm wondering if the debian/tmp/ at the top is confusing dh_install
[22:52] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: bad
[22:52] <apachelogger> hm?
[22:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya
[22:52] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: note that line 4-12 in http://paste.kde.org/671762/ belong into a -dev package, not the main one
[22:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the build system is migrated to autobuild
[22:53] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: those are still development header, a libtool file and a static library
[22:53] <yofel> that's not needed to *run* the program
[22:53] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, what players on kubuntu would open webm files? My system doesn't seem to have anything suitable.  I have xine, vlc, dragon and helix
[22:53] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: its like the old 8 bit video game
[22:53] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: we need something like ps5
[22:53] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: vlc and dragon
[22:53] <apachelogger> actually a sane browser will play webm just like that
[22:53] <apachelogger> phoenix_firebrd: ?
[22:54] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: checking
[22:54] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: the new animation that you posted looks bad
[22:54]  * apachelogger throws keyboard after phoenix_firebrd
[22:54] <phoenix_firebrd> oops
[22:58] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1030022] Port from legacy Xlib to to modern XCB @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1030022 (by Fred)
[23:11] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the new control file http://paste.kde.org/671798/
[23:19] <phoenix_firebrd> brb
[23:22] <Riddell> evening
[23:22] <Riddell> what did I miss?
[23:23] <yofel> the releases mostly
[23:24] <Riddell> ooh stories on http://www.kubuntu.org/
[23:24] <Riddell> excellent well done
[23:25] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: hm, I only just noticed that we already had telepathy-ring in the archive. Are you sure you need the development files?
[23:26] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: or are they also missing in the archive package?
[23:26] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: maybe those are just files from an embedded library, in that case don't ship them
[23:31] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: checking
[23:31] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: good evening
[23:34] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: should i check this by building the one in the archive?
[23:34] <yofel> I can't think of any other way
[23:34] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[23:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: those missing files were not added, ignoring them
[23:45] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: there are times when upstream embeds sources for 3rd party libraries and installs their development files by mistake, something you need to watch out for
[23:45] <yofel> installing versioned .so.X files of those is ok, as it's needed. But the development files shouldn't be there
[23:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[23:49] <yofel> actually, without headers even unversioned .so's are fine, even if that's bad library management by upstream
[23:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: after packaging, where do these packages should be in ? http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html
[23:51] <yofel> the archive?
[23:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the ubuntu packages? main?
[23:52] <yofel> ok, wait a moment
[23:52] <yofel> The uehs page shows outdated packages in general
[23:53] <yofel> there's generally 3 cagegories there
[23:53] <yofel> 1.0-X, are packages synced from debian, we usually don't update those in ubuntu unless there's a reason
[23:54] <yofel> 1.0-XubuntuX, those are debian packages with ubuntu changes. Same as previous case but we don't automatically get an updated debian package
[23:54] <yofel> 1.0-0ubuntuX, ubuntu-only package, so we need to take care about the updating
[23:55] <yofel> if you touch any of the first 2 cases and update it only in ubuntu, you are then also expected to take care about getting the package in sync with debian later on
[23:56] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[23:56] <yofel> as for the components
[23:56] <yofel> I don't think the uehs page makes a difference there
[23:57] <yofel> you just need to find the appropriate sponsor
[23:57] <yofel> filing a sponsorship request is the easiest way for that
[23:58] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: for example "0.9.1-1ubuntu1" this version no. belongs to the second category? 
[23:58] <yofel> yep, that'll be debian 0.9.1-1 with ubuntu changes