[00:00] <bobweaver> Qt Jambi and pyslide ect
[00:02] <comjf> I know python pretty well, I can wrap python in QML?
[00:02] <bobweaver> like in a Mousearea to call it
[00:02] <bobweaver> I am not good at py at all clueless :_)
[00:03] <comjf> haha
[00:05] <bobweaver> comjf,  there is this . http://qt-project.org/wiki/PySide   But like I said I am clueless about py
[00:06] <comjf> i'll stick to C++, that seems the default lang
[00:06] <comjf> and I love to learn
[00:07] <mhall119> comjf: QML is pretty easy
[00:07] <mhall119> if you know python, you shouldn't have any trouble learning it
[00:07] <comjf> mhall119: Awesome. I just wish there was more documentation on the field types
[00:08] <mhall119> comjf: me too, we're working on improving out docs
[00:08] <mhall119> our docs
[00:08] <comjf> mhall119: Like TextField, does it have an 'onhover' or 'onclick' signal
[00:09] <comjf> mhall119: where can I see the source directly (sorry I'm a complete newb when it comes to this process)
[00:09] <bobweaver> hover over item and press f1
[00:09] <bobweaver> hold ctrl then click on things to go to parents
[00:09] <comjf> No documentation available.
[00:09] <comjf> is where it brings me
[00:09] <bobweaver> qtcreator ^^
[00:11] <bobweaver> TextField Must be Ubuntu-SDK ?
[00:13] <comjf> yes
[00:13] <mhall119> comjf: doesn't look like it: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-textfield.html
[00:13] <mhall119> comjf: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit has the code
[00:14] <comjf> mhall119: I was just wondering because the design guidelines talk about using TextFields with the label being inside the field as the initial value.. I just want to clear it upon getting focus
[00:15] <mhall119> comjf: looks like you should use placeholderText: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-textfield.html#placeholderText-prop
[00:15] <mhall119> then the TextField will probably clear it for you
[00:16] <comjf> ah, makes sense
[00:16] <comjf> thanks mate
[00:30] <comjf> so I generated all my wsdl client c++ classes (finally)... now I need to google how to make a QML wrapper class right?
[01:36] <comjf> I'm having difficulty figuring out this wsdl thing with c++, since I ready have the client working in java, is there a way to wrap a javaclass into QML?
[01:37] <comjf> or is java not a supported langauge to use
[02:21] <mhall119> comjf: I don't think so
[02:24] <xsacha> hi, i think the email meeting was in here?
[02:24] <xsacha> i live in a sucky timezone :(
[02:25] <xsacha> it was 3am in the morning at that time
[02:31] <mhall119> xsacha: was it today?
[02:31] <mhall119> xsacha: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/13/%23ubuntu-phone.html is the log
[02:32] <xsacha> i was in chat the whole time, so i can scroll up and find log. thanks
[05:27] <Mirv> bobweaver (and others): Qt4 and Qt5 can fully be co-installed. if you have problems, something has not been properly updated from the qt5-proper - it has a new version of both Qt4 and Qt5
[05:28] <Mirv> (I have Qt4 and Qt5 developmen tools right now here)
[05:29] <Mirv> the selection of which one - 4 or 5 - is available in default path for qmake, uic, rcc, etc. depends on whether qt5-default or qt4-default is installed. alternatively, see man qtchooser for more possibilities of configuring qtchooser.
[11:13] <bobweaver> Mirv,  when I go to install anything qt5 from the proper ppa it removes qt4viewer and also other things making it so when I make the choice of qt4 toolkit It says there is no viewer installed so I have to re0install it. It is something in the packaging of qt-ubuntu-components
[11:22] <bobweaver> I think *
[11:25] <bobweaver> apt-cache show qtchooser
[11:26] <bobweaver> Conflicts:qt4-qmlviewer (<= 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.4~)
[11:28] <bobweaver> man qtchooser
[11:28] <bobweaver> No manual entry for qtchooser
[11:29] <tehcrs> sup
[11:29] <bobweaver> Mirv,  sorry it was not installed
[11:29] <bobweaver> hello tehcrs
[11:30] <tehcrs> i JUST found out about this and i almost came
[11:30] <tehcrs> thank you 4chan
[11:31] <bobweaver> cool tehcrs  welcome to the Ubuntu Phone channel :)
[11:31] <tehcrs> ;>
[11:31] <tehcrs> thanks man
[11:34] <tehcrs> well, im curious.. tehre are actually two different galaxy nexus phones, right?
[11:39] <popey> bobweaver: you running raring?
[11:39] <bobweaver> popey,  nope
[11:40] <bobweaver> 12.04 32bit
[11:40] <bobweaver> unity-qt does not work in >12.04 So I do not use
[11:42] <bobweaver> btw popey  I now have all the data for the weather app just need to design it all now
[11:42] <bobweaver> thanks again for the suggestion for the api. I would have never of know :)
[11:42] <popey> np
[11:43] <bobweaver> that si one powerful api
[11:43] <bobweaver> is *
[11:43] <bobweaver> huge ammount of data
[11:43] <bobweaver> amount *
[11:44] <bobweaver> wikipedia articles  about close towns and history of towns, close populated citys, close street address to query , weather , ect
[11:48] <bobweaver> kinda stuck at a couple of points because I have no clue how the keyboard is going to work and also no idea about how moving things off the screen will work either
[11:50] <Mirv> bobweaver: so, you need to apt-get upgrade before trying to install qt5 stuff, or alternatively install qt4-qmlviewer after installing qt5 - the qt4 version in the PPA does not conflict with Qt5
[11:50] <bobweaver> yeah that is what I did Mirv
[11:51] <bobweaver> I ended up downloading qt5.0.1 1 day before you packaged
[11:51] <Mirv> ok then. and the guides suggest installing ubuntu-sdk, which installs qtchooser which guides qt4 developer tools to be upgraded
[11:51] <bobweaver> so I am using that just compiled the qml plugin
[11:51] <Mirv> ah right, 12.04, that's a different story
[11:52] <bobweaver> yeah but it could not beacause of dependenceys
[11:52] <bobweaver> let me try to find pastie of that
[11:52] <Mirv> like said on the qt5-proper front page, there is not yet qt4/qt5 devtools co-existing there, since there is no Qt4 version yet patched for 12.04 to use qtchooser
[11:52] <Mirv> (the first note under "NOTES")
[11:52] <Mirv> it will come, though
[11:52] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1646048/
[11:53] <Mirv> bobweaver: you don't have the ubuntu-sdk-team ppa, as instructed at http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[11:53] <bobweaver> OH .....sorry I missed that part kinda early here
[11:53] <Mirv> that includes the qt components
[11:53] <bobweaver> what do you mean apt cache says I do
[11:59] <tehcrs> so will this work for both galaxy nexus phones or the g4 only?
[11:59] <tehcrs> n4
[12:01] <bobweaver> tehcrs,  I have no clue But I do know this . qt works on a lot of different devices. What the backend of the phone is using(this is what I have no clue about) could be tailored for a device.  meaning not sure till we get the code
[12:01] <bobweaver> it was demoed on a galaxy nexus  not a g4 though
[12:04] <bobweaver> Mirv,  I would like to thank you though for all the effort and energy that you have been putting into this. You are awesome !!
[12:09] <tehcrs> well, i can work with that
[12:09] <tehcrs> thanks ;>
[12:09] <bobweaver> Mirv,  so you know what this mean ?   error: cannot convert 'const char*' to 'const QByteArrayData* {aka const QArrayData*}' in initialization
[12:09] <bobweaver> or anyone ^^
[12:10] <bobweaver> I will ask on qt channel also
[12:21] <bzoltan1> bobweaver:  I have been reading the logs from yesterday. I would suggest to you too that the best results you can get with the Ubuntu Phone SDK and UI Toolkit if you start with a clean system. Remove  all depricated qt5 packages and builds and PPAs, make a full apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade and just follow the instructions  http://askubuntu.com/questions/254800/how-can-i-update-the-ubuntu-sdk-preview-from-the-qt-5-beta-ppa-to-the
[12:24] <bobweaver> Hi bzoltan1  I would but everything seems to be working fine now though after I compiled it all
[12:26] <bzoltan1> bobweaver: Sure, you are free to compile all, but keep in mind that with homebrew Qt libs you are on your own. It is hard if not impossible to support custom built development environment. If I were you I would just install the stock packages from the qt5-proper PPA and purge all other Qt5 stuff. We all use those packages, they are fine.
[12:26] <bobweaver> bzoltan1,  I guess that I am just use to compiling stuff for things to work. Like I had to on qt4 for alot of libs. That said. I love the fact that you all are packing this all up. It is nice
[12:26] <tehcrs> i will probably have to root the phone, right?
[12:27] <bobweaver> bzoltan1,  I can do that with out removing any of my qt4 stuff ?
[12:27] <bobweaver> bzoltan1,  main concerns are well I will post brb
[12:27] <bobweaver> /usr/lib/qt4/imports$ ls
[12:27] <bobweaver> bamf  Box2D  dee  Dee.3  gconf  QConf  Qt  QtDesktop  QtMobility  QtMultimediaKit  QtWebKit  Tiled  Unity2d  uTouch
[12:28] <bzoltan1> bobweaver: I do not know about your Qt4 stuff... if you use packages from Ubuntu archives than you might need to upgrade few of them. But as it was earlier told ... Qt5 can coexist with Qt4
[12:29] <bobweaver> bzoltan1,  you mean like making choice on which toolkit one wants to use correct ?
[12:29] <bobweaver> bzoltan1,  sorry I have only been programming for a little over a year
[12:29] <bzoltan1> bobweaver: Obviously if you alter your Ubuntu and install hombrew stuff to the system instead of keeping them nicely in a sendbox directory (in your home or in the /opt) than the outcome is unpredictable ...
[12:30] <bobweaver> 2 1/2 years ago I did not know what linux was
[12:30] <bobweaver> well maybe 3 years now
[12:31] <bobweaver> well I knew what it was when I used slax like 12 years ago on a friends computer but that was all I knew that there was slax
[12:31] <bobweaver> so I guess what I am saying is I am a n00b :)
[12:31] <bzoltan1> bobweaver: Your milage is not really relevant here. The key is that most of the Ubuntu users, even the experts do not like to alter their system. You want to keep your private stuff away from the  system.
[12:34] <bobweaver> bzoltan1,  yeah I was thinking that but I wanted to make a game (my 1st one) real bad and read up on qml (because that is all I know) and learned about box2d and tiled both of which are not in Ubuntu Repo
[12:34] <bobweaver> in fact I could not find ppa anywhere for it
[12:36] <bobweaver> so I guess that said I would love to upgrade box2d to the qt5 version and also tiled dee Qconf gconf utouch
[12:36] <bobweaver> oh and bamf
[12:37] <bobweaver> Until I can  do that I can not move up past 12.04  because I would love my UI for TV and that would be horrible
[12:37] <bobweaver> I am sure that I will have to hak on NUX and libunity also
[12:39] <bobweaver> Right now my best working qt5 has these plugins and needs more /opt/Qt5.0.1/5.0.1/gcc/qml$ ls
[12:39] <bobweaver> Qt  QtDesktop  QtGraphicalEffects  QtMultimedia  QtQuick  QtQuick.2  QtTest  QtWebKit  Ubu
[12:40] <bobweaver> Ubuntu *
[12:40] <bobweaver> esp Qt.loacation how to make maps with out it ? well fast maps that is
[12:41] <bobweaver> or all these would be awesome http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Add-ons-Modules
[12:50] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  It is up to you. The Qt5 port of the  box2d you better ask from the maintainers. We as Ubuntu will not port it in the near future.
[12:51] <bobweaver> Yeah that is what I figured. I guess what is the most imporant thing is that I have the things that I need to learn
[12:52] <bobweaver> Like I would like to learn shaders better and also qt3d stuff
[12:53] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  and to learn I would suggest you to use stock packages and focus on the subject... you will waste much less time on building your on development environment and you will get much better support from the community
[12:53] <bobweaver> like the qt3d car demo But I can not even get that to run :(
[12:53] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  that is a good point that I did not think about all that much.
[12:55] <bzoltan>  bobweaver:  Also I would go with the simpler QML demos and examples. Check out the basic animations and simpler UI components. Create simple applications and learn how this whole thing works. Much less frustrating :)
[12:56] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  I know all about states and transtions and behavior on X {NumberAnimation{}}
[12:56] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  you have a virtual machine with 12.04 ?
[12:57] <bobweaver> If you do you can look at my work https://launchpad.net/~u2t/+archive/bleedingedge   that ppa is only for 12.04 though
[12:57] <bobweaver> becuase of libunity and NUX and dee and bamf ect
[12:58] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  No, I am on 12.10 and soon to upgrade to Raring
[12:59] <bobweaver> it is nothing but unity-2d but with a ton of extra stuff like switching formfactors or changing launcher position, or anything in dconf that is that lives on the places that the engine listens
[13:00] <bobweaver> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/u2t/dailybuilds/view/head:/config.h.in
[13:00] <bobweaver> you can see the bus's that it listens to in that file
[13:01] <bobweaver> I am sure that the phone also works kinda like this. Well I am not sure. But can not wait to find out
[13:02] <bobweaver> like     engine->rootContext()->setContextProperty("unity2dConfiguration", &unity2dConfiguration());
[13:02] <bobweaver> exposing Qconf
[13:07] <bobweaver> but things That I did write on top of the TV where re-wote the launcher so that it can read lens(simplelauncher) made it so that there are many different render views or dash , added previews, added tvguide via mythtv, added music hinting, added dconf settings in the dash , re-wrote almost the whole TV interface/formfactor (filters rendering type of text ect)
[13:08] <bobweaver> My idea is once the phone goes public I will take that interface and take everything that I have and tie into one. then take all my qml code and add it to the Ubuntu SDK Kit
[13:08] <bobweaver> so that there will be import Ubuntu.Compents.TV 0.1
[13:13] <Jaffa_> KevinWright: File mgr sync up tomorrow is fine for me.
[13:13] <KevinWright> Jafa_: great!
[13:14] <KevinWright> Jaffa_: great! Talk to you then
[13:18] <bobweaver> Maybe someone would like to help me with this.  I can not get data to pass for some reason. so made a function that says find the search query and look it up in api. After user Picks the Picks that Area it should pass a couple thins off to the next function that calls in the weather but it is not passing the info and I am not sure at all what I am doing wrong
[13:18] <bobweaver> here is branch https://code.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/ubuntu-weather-sdk
[13:19] <bobweaver> So I want to save the stuff from the 1st query (name,lat,lng,west,north,east,south) and pass on to the next XmlListModel Api needs north south east and west
[14:06] <Walther> I remember we had a discussion about this a ~long time ago, but some recent ideas would be nice to hear - any news on the collaboration between ubuntu phone and nexus 7 projects?
[14:07] <Walther> As in, will the ubuntu phone project parts be merged to the nexus 7 project - at least IMHO it would greatly benefit from that, instead of just being a port of the desktop version with custom repositories
[15:43] <lcabreza1> hi guys
[15:44] <lcabreza1> where can i buy an ubuntu phone ? my 9 year phone got busted ..Nokia 5310 XpressMusic
[15:44] <popey> you can't yet
[15:45] <lcabreza1> popey: can't wait ...to have one ..
[15:45] <popey> Me too!
[15:47] <lcabreza1> popey: i'm watching mark's video ..very interesting ..soon laptops will release pre-installed ubuntu's
[15:49] <lcabreza1> popey: i don't want to buy another nokia phone ...
[15:49] <popey> lcabreza1: they already are available in some territories
[15:49] <popey> (laptops running ubuntu)
[15:50] <lcabreza1> popey: Me too .....
[15:53] <lcabreza1> i wonder who's that graphic vendor that Mark's mention ..
[16:13] <bobweaver> In case anyone is looking at the question that I asked before. I just figured it out W()()T W()()T!
[16:15] <DanielDressler> nick dmd
[19:17] <dmd> hello people reading logs
[19:23] <bobweaver> hey dmd
[19:23] <dmd> hey bobweaver
[19:24] <bobweaver> dmd,  I just finshed up the data for the weather app
[19:24] <bobweaver> now just need a designer
[19:24] <dmd> who are you pulling from?
[19:24] <bobweaver> I will make a video and post
[19:24] <bobweaver> http://api.geonames.org/search?q=Rochester%20NY&maxRows=10&username=bobweaver12345&style=FULL
[19:24] <bobweaver> which also has a ton of usefull data
[19:25] <bobweaver> so I query that give the options to the users in boxs then when they click
[19:25] <dmd> nice
[19:25] <bobweaver> we get this http://api.geonames.org/weatherXML?north=43.26905&south=43.10332&east=-77.53116&west=-77.70164&username=bobweaver12345
[19:25] <bobweaver> needs alot of javascript and stuff like changing from c to f  ect
[19:25] <bobweaver> I will make a video
[19:26] <wastrel> are there other videos already?
[19:29] <bobweaver> we should make a ton of apis and push them into the phones kit
[19:30] <bobweaver> so that way users can be like     import Ubuntu.Compents.API.LastFM 1.0
[19:30] <bobweaver> ect
[19:30] <bobweaver> not sure how that would work
[19:32] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXuakr87oA
[19:46] <bobweaver> I wish that these where gimp and someone used qt-exporter :/
[19:46] <bobweaver> https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/Clock+and+Weather+App
[22:48] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I am thinking of writing a game for ubuntu-phone, will python be alright to use?
[22:48] <Akiva-Thinkpad> or should I use c++?
[22:49] <bobweaver> depends Akiva-Thinkpad  what kinda game ?
[22:50] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: Isometric Tactical game
[22:50] <bobweaver> what is that ?
[22:50] <bobweaver> example ?
[22:50] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: Think transit tycoon
[22:50] <bobweaver> angry birds ?
[22:51] <Akiva-Thinkpad> but tactical like front mission, or final fantasy tactics
[22:51] <bobweaver> that is 2d or 3d ?
[22:51] <bobweaver> ahh
[22:51] <bobweaver> 2d or 2d ?
[22:51] <Akiva-Thinkpad> actually, I'll give you a youtube of what I have in mind
[22:51] <bobweaver> opps
[22:51] <bobweaver> Great
[22:51] <bobweaver> thanks
[22:52] <Akiva-Thinkpad> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGDwJ1nH7HQ
[22:52] <bobweaver> sweet thanks
[22:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Its my favourite genre, and I imagine, easy to scale the difficulty, create multiplayer, add rpg elements, etc
[22:53] <bobweaver> Ok there is 2 things that I think that you should look at (I am n00b though only made one buggy game )
[22:53] <bobweaver> so just to be clear you want it to be 2d
[22:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I figure this is most pragmatic
[22:54] <bobweaver> If that is the case there is engine already out there that is c++. the phone is based off qml. Hows your qml/qt ?
[22:54] <dmd> Akiva-Thinkpad said it was isometric so you'd have a fun time making it 3d
[22:54] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd: HA HA!
[22:55] <bobweaver> Akiva-Thinkpad,  becuase the Phone is using QML I bring this up .  there is something called Box2d and tiles
[22:55] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: my qml qt is looking for a prodject like this to learn from
[22:55] <bobweaver> there is a playground that you can look at to get started
[22:56] <bobweaver> you can use tiled to make map then just javascript to make the coloisions
[22:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Wow, oodles of info.
[22:56] <bobweaver> http://box2d.org/
[22:56] <bobweaver> https://launchpad.net/~mapeditor.org/+archive/tiled
[22:57] <dmd> those are good resources
[22:57] <bobweaver> http://gitorious.org/qml-box2d
[22:57] <Akiva-Thinkpad> box2d poses an interesting fork in the road
[22:57] <ajalkane> That game doesn't seem anything that couldn't be handled by Python + QML... that said I don't know what's the status of Python integration in Ubuntu phone
[22:57] <Akiva-Thinkpad> whether to make it turn based or more or less, real time.
[22:57] <bobweaver> http://gitorious.org/qt-qml-demo-playground
[22:58] <bobweaver> And if you like  I  made a mario also ?
[22:58] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Ha
[22:58] <Akiva-Thinkpad> for mario, I'd probably just hide snes9x in there, and edit a rom :P
[22:58] <bobweaver> https://code.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/mario_mockup
[22:59] <bobweaver> sorry thought that you could use that to gather Ideads
[22:59] <bobweaver> ideas*
[22:59] <dmd> Akiva-Thinkpad: yeah... I don't think that would quite work with the legal issues
[22:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I am really excited for the phone. I hope I can get one in Canada.
[22:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd: If you own mario, it should be fine
[22:59] <dmd> we never get anything in canada
[22:59] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I still own my snes, somewhere
[22:59] <bobweaver> You can also use pyslide and what not and java if you like
[23:00] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd: We got wind :)
[23:00] <Akiva-Thinkpad> that was a big improvement
[23:00] <dmd> Akiva-Thinkpad: If I was nintendo I would be very fine
[23:00] <dmd> yeah wind / mobilicity is awesome
[23:00] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I dropped rogers quite quickly
[23:00] <bobweaver> Akiva-Thinkpad,  what about moment of your Hero ?
[23:01] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: Sorry, I was lamenting all the years I wasted with rogers as a phone provider.
[23:01] <bobweaver> rogers ?
[23:01] <bobweaver> <<n00b
[23:02] <dmd> rogers is a mobile provider in canada
[23:02] <bobweaver> :>)
[23:02] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Canadian phone provider.
[23:02] <bobweaver> ahh I see
[23:02] <dmd> one of the big three providers
[23:02] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and they make sugar.
[23:02] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I never got that
[23:02] <dmd> different company
[23:02] <dmd> trademarks only apply within a sector
[23:02] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd: They both are red and white
[23:02] <bobweaver> in canada make sugar ?  must not be cane or must be exported IDK I am sugar n00b
[23:02] <dmd> http://www.lantic.ca/
[23:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: We just legalized vcr's a year ago.
[23:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I picked one up a week ago, its sweet
[23:03] <dmd> vcr?
[23:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Watched "You got mail"
[23:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd: Oh you must not have one yet. Its the latest thing.
[23:04] <Akiva-Thinkpad> They take cassete video tapes
[23:04] <bobweaver> whts a VCR ? lol
[23:04] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and you can record on them easily.
[23:04] <dmd> and we legalized them?
[23:04] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Yah
[23:04] <bobweaver> that is something that I am not a noob at
[23:04] <dmd> you're joke fell flat a bit
[23:04]  * bobweaver is making remote for TV for Ubuntu Phone as we talk 
[23:04] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd: Blame rick mercer
[23:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: Wow!
[23:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I am not ashamed to call myself an ubuntu zealot
[23:05] <bobweaver> controls myth tv that is all
[23:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah
[23:06] <bobweaver> nothing  crazy but it will work for me
[23:06] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Wow, tiles is exactly what I need
[23:06] <bobweaver> but one can control any mythfront end via phone
[23:06] <Akiva-Thinkpad> written in qt no less :P
[23:06] <bobweaver> yeah play in the playground
[23:07] <bobweaver> Akiva-Thinkpad,  you can make a "MAP" in tiled then there is a QML plugin that you can use that reads TMX files
[23:08] <bobweaver> adds all colistions at points that you add in tiled
[23:08] <bobweaver> it is called tiles it uses Box2d (more QML) as the Physics Engine
[23:09] <bobweaver> so you can make your tiles say 48 X 48  then use java script to cut them up
[23:09] <bobweaver> and when tiles (QML plugin) sees it it tells Box2d to add collision points and what not walls and stuff you know
[23:10] <bobweaver> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/mario_mockup/view/head:/platform.js
[23:10] <bobweaver> check out lines 17 -- 92
[23:10] <bobweaver> I disabled most of it
[23:11] <bobweaver> You can also use many differnt layers for it But that is all I know about for making games hope that it helps
[23:12] <bobweaver> This dudes playground is also fun I would say http://gitorious.org/tan-qml-playground
[23:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: Well, its all a matter of getting things started
[23:13] <bobweaver> Akiva-Thinkpad, you have made games before ?
[23:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: Do you think this should be easy enough to keep ported to Ubuntu Phone and Regular Ubuntu?
[23:13] <bobweaver> depends there are some things in the way
[23:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: Not at this level. I am looking for an interesting project that will force me to learn.
[23:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: Do I have to worry about ARM vs X86?
[23:14] <bobweaver> No
[23:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Okay, thank g-d
[23:14] <bobweaver> it will run on wayland if you have the hardware
[23:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ... I thought wayland was not neccessarily going to happen for ubuntu
[23:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> they were thinking of scrapping it so they could have an inhouse server
[23:15] <bobweaver> anything that qt/qml can run on it can too. I would say that you can also package the whole libs in your game if you need to
[23:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ie, one developed by ubuntu, therefore, controlling it better to suit their needs
[23:15] <bobweaver> I was just saying that you can if need be
[23:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> okay
[23:16]  * bobweaver has no clue what canonical is doing with server 
[23:17] <dmd> ubuntu phone is not using wayland but that is different from scrapping it
[23:18] <dmd> my guess is ubuntu phone reuses nokia's server
[23:18] <dmd> reusing*
[23:19] <bobweaver> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Category:Devices
[23:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd: Could be using x too
[23:22] <dmd> no chance
[23:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> who knows~
[23:22] <dmd> 0 chance
[23:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd: Well, thats what the linux action show said :P
[23:22] <dmd> do they have source?
[23:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> okay, brian and matt arent exactly programmers
[23:23] <ajalkane> Umm... Nokia's N9 used X.
[23:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Ohhhh, didnt know that
[23:23] <dmd> nokia's n9 also shipped with meamo v6
[23:23] <bobweaver> yeah and Qx11ExtraInfo is coming back
[23:24] <dmd> well bobweaver does know more than me.
[23:24] <bobweaver> which is great news for me at least.  On A side not page One is Done For Weather App
[23:24] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/246751
[23:24] <dmd> nice
[23:24] <dmd> too nice
[23:25] <dmd> I need to get me stuff done and do something
[23:25] <dmd> my*
[23:25] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: Very nice
[23:25] <dmd> bobweaver: you should post it to the google+ group
[23:26] <bobweaver> when you press on time it changs from 24 hor to 12 and same with temp but C and F
[23:26] <dmd> nice
[23:27] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Ubuntu should come out with an official flashlight app, and forbid their market from producing any more :P
[23:27] <bobweaver> lol
[23:27] <dmd> oh yeah, no one has made one of those yet
[23:27] <ajalkane> Agreed there. I'm always for forbidding stuff
[23:27] <dmd> does qml have an audio api?
[23:27] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ajalkane: ha ha
[23:27] <bobweaver> yeah
[23:27] <bobweaver> QtMultimedia 5.0 in qt5
[23:28] <dmd> bobweaver: you should make the first flash light and fart apps
[23:28] <bobweaver> lol
[23:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I forbid the ubuntu phone from using APK's
[23:28] <dmd> otherwise the apple fanboys will never take ubuntu phone seriously
[23:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Rubbish
[23:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd:  ha
[23:28] <Akiva-Thinkpad> What we need, is to copy apple, and make legions of useless trial ware
[23:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> that is specifically designed to be annoying.
[23:29]  * bobweaver needs to make app to sell so that he can by his *** a panda board for my TV 
[23:29] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I actually really admire the idea that anyone can pay any price, as long as it is above 0
[23:30] <dmd> I imagine the most profitable plan would be to do some on contract app dev
[23:30] <bobweaver> +1
[23:30] <dmd> and nothing says expert like "
[23:31] <dmd> "first flashlight app maker"
[23:31] <dmd> "
[23:31] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Ha ha
[23:31] <dmd> sorry for the excessive qoutes, hit enter early
[23:31] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I still have my g1 android
[23:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> one thing I wonder
[23:32] <bobweaver> what do you think would have to turn on camara half way ?
[23:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> is if we are using docking
[23:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> will our apps have to scale?
[23:32] <dmd> qml should handle most of that
[23:32] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Can I run my flashlight app when I dock it to the pc?
[23:33] <bobweaver> Akiva-Thinkpad,  yeah that is why you make sure that when coding you do math ;)
[23:33] <bobweaver> like parent.width / 12.2341
[23:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmd: bobweaver: Well they have already seemed to set standards with pixel density
[23:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I was thinking perhaps it is a binary switch
[23:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Obviously freeciv mobile should be different than freeciv docked
[23:34] <bobweaver> that was a HUGE mistake that I made when I first started hacking at Ubuntu TV I did not do that and had to re-write a bunch of stuff
[23:34] <Akiva-Thinkpad> bobweaver: So the tip is... to do what?
[23:34] <bobweaver> use math
[23:35] <bobweaver> or make app then make a simple page that scales things.
[23:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I was thinking of spitting on it, but okay
[23:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> or shouting at it
[23:35] <bobweaver> lol
[23:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Do you think Scale and Expo plugins would do well on ubuntu phone?
[23:37] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Expo I could imagine
[23:39] <bobweaver> I dont know what that is sorry
[23:45] <bobweaver> dmd,  I have a question that you might be able to give me good feed back on also maybe mhall119  If you look atthis video you can see how things it is kinda going to look. I am at the part where I am "hanging the Icons"  do you think that that the pictures should go left and right based on how strong the wind is blowing for query Item ?
[23:45] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfrm117Ukr0        TIME:  23:00  give or take a minute
[23:46]  * dmd watching
[23:48] <dmd> that could be a cool effect. I think it would match the existing theme
[23:51] <bobweaver> I wish I knew how the phone handles movement then I could do some damage like games and stuff
[23:51] <bobweaver> like paddle ball
[23:53] <bobweaver> or like that game where you have tomove the ball in the maze but can not let it drop in holes
[23:53] <dmd> those are horible
[23:53] <dmd> but
[23:54] <dmd> if you look at some of the puzzle games on android like 7x7 those are fun and addicting
[23:55] <bobweaver> I was thinking like this game http://recollectionsofplay.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/labyrinth-game1.jpg
[23:55] <dmd> oh I hate those even more
[23:55] <dmd> so imporssible
[23:55] <bobweaver> lol
[23:56] <bobweaver> or what is that game with the string attached to a tenis ball  and you toss the ball up to try to land in cup
[23:57] <bobweaver> also bowling would be cool to make when we all get to see the stuff that we will have. It is going to be fun. Turn the ting into a wii like remote
[23:58]  * bobweaver shuts up and goes back to qmling