[00:08] <cjwatson> Respinning alternates/server (except Kubuntu alternate) for libpciaccess and LTSP
[00:08] <cjwatson> $ set -x; DIST=precise for-project ubuntu cron.daily; DIST=precise for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily; DIST=precise for-project xubuntu cron.daily; set +x
[00:08] <cjwatson> To be on the safe side, I'm leaving the Ubuntu and Edubuntu DVDs until kde-workspace has published, since I can't remember and the sequence would take a while to reach them anyway
[00:09] <cjwatson> I should be able to start the last ones in 20 minutes or so, then go to bed
[00:09] <cjwatson> Suppose I should write the announcement first though
[00:43] <cjwatson> stgraber,Riddell,superm1,knome: I'd like advance notice of the URLs you're planning to publish 12.04.2 announcements at, if any
[00:43] <cjwatson> I don't see any Ubuntu Studio contacts here just now ...
[01:08] <cjwatson> Finishing the set now by respinning Kubuntu and the DVDs
[01:26] <Riddell> cjwatson: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04.2-release I'd say
[01:27] <cjwatson> Thanks
[01:51] <stgraber> cjwatson: sure, one sec
[01:51] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://www.edubuntu.org/news/12.04.2-release
[01:52] <cjwatson> stgraber: Thanks
[01:53] <cjwatson> Riddell,ScottK: ^- in case you didn't notice the Kubuntu builds emerging above, BTW
[01:56] <Riddell> cjwatson: I'll get on them first thing tomorrow
[01:56] <Riddell> alpha 2 is all good except for arm
[01:56] <Riddell> oh and upgrade isn't working either
[01:56] <Riddell> need to do bug reports for them
[01:56]  * Riddell snoozes
[01:57] <highvoltage> night Riddell
[02:32] <micahg> cjwatson: zequence is the Studio contact
[02:32] <cjwatson> Thanks
[02:33] <cjwatson> zequence: I'd like advance notice of the URLs you're planning to publish Ubuntu Studio's 12.04.2 announcement at, if any
[02:33] <cjwatson> Sorry, terrible with names sometimes
[02:36]  * cjwatson → bed
[07:09] <zequence> cjwatson: there's the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio, and then we're publishing on our website  http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/ (not published yet). smartboyhw is actually doing this work for us atm
[07:09] <smartboyhw> Actually the release notes are ready in the website
[07:09] <smartboyhw> Just that people won't see it till 6:51 hours later
[10:00] <xnox> cjwatson: website team is thinking to recommend "(windows8 logo) Using recent computer with Windows 8 and/or UEFI? Choose 64-bit image"
[10:01] <xnox> and similar message that "currently Wubi is not compatible with windows 8"
[10:01] <smartboyhw> xnox, agree. So many people are asking about this in Ask Ubuntu
[10:02] <xnox> smartboyhw: website team wanted to find a very good written and complete up-voted question / answer
[10:02] <smartboyhw> xnox, I think there is one
[10:02] <smartboyhw> Wait
[10:03] <xnox> cause this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI can be a little overwhelming
[10:03] <smartboyhw> xnox, http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-uefi-supported-windows-8-system
[10:03] <smartboyhw> Which is also overwhelming:P
[10:09] <cjwatson> zequence: Thanks, it's just for a link in the announcement; I'll use the latter
[10:10] <cjwatson> xnox: That sounds like a sensible approach
[10:10] <cjwatson> I think the reasons we recommend 32-bit where it's usable stand, but that's a simple enough description of the exception
[10:10] <xnox> yeap.
[10:11] <xnox> smartboyhw: edited that answer to include 12.04.2 or 12.10+ 64-bit
[10:11] <smartboyhw> xnox, good
[10:11]  * xnox likes having spare askubuntu karma for such things =))))
[10:11] <smartboyhw> xnox, you = dina?
[10:11] <smartboyhw> weird:P
[10:12] <smartboyhw> xnox, you have so much rep:(
[10:12] <xnox> Дмитрий = Дима
[10:12] <xnox> easy
[10:14] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:18] <cjwatson> That answer has actively untrue information
[10:18] <cjwatson> Such as the claim that Windows 8 introduces UEFI
[10:19] <cjwatson> (I don't have time to edit it right now, but I'd say that question/answer is rather too long and waffly for a website link)
[10:19] <cjwatson> And it has an overblown claim about Secure Boot
[10:50] <xnox> thanks.
[10:52] <cjwatson> I think they're going to use help.u.c/community/UEFI which I agree is also a bit much but at least is intended as documentation
[10:59]  * cjwatson starts pre-publishing
[11:20] <cjwatson> Looking pretty good on testing so far with the exception of the known vbox bug
[11:20] <cjwatson> (For which there's a known fix for 12.04.3)
[11:22] <cjwatson> So either all that work yesterday was justified or testers are burned out :P
[11:25] <knome> cjwatson, xubuntu not doing one.
[11:26] <cjwatson> knome: Thanks
[11:26] <cjwatson> (You still want the release, though, right? :-) )
[11:26] <psivaa> cjwatson: #testing is ongoing and looking good, on hw and kvm. ltsp test is currently running
[11:27] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, that's exactly what I want to ask
[11:27] <smartboyhw> Woohoo thanks cjwatson
[11:27] <smartboyhw> For the bug:P
[11:27] <cjwatson> np, was just going through the tracker
[11:29] <cjwatson> superm1,Daviey: So I think a Mythbuntu 12.04.2 announcement link (if any) is the only one I'm now missing
[11:30] <cjwatson> And I still probably wouldn't object if there were more interesting high-profile features to add to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/Announcement/12.04.2
[11:31] <Daviey> cjwatson: Ah, i think tgm4883 was on the hook for that.  I'll check in with him when he arrives today.
[11:32] <cjwatson> Aha, thanks
[11:33] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Mythbuntu is still headed by a 12.04.1 section; fine if that's what you want
[11:34] <cjwatson> Hm, forgot to post netboot to the tracker
[11:36] <smartboyhw> cjohnston, uh oh
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Oops
[11:36] <smartboyhw> cjwatson: Uh oh
[11:36] <cjwatson> Not the end of the world, it's not like it's possible to not release them
[11:36] <cjwatson> And should be fine, but I ought to do it anyway
[11:38] <Daviey> Also, 2factor can burn in a fire.
[11:39] <ogra_> ++
[11:39] <ogra_> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:39] <ogra_> Daviey, try U1 with an unregistered device :)
[11:39] <ogra_> lots of fun
[11:40] <Riddell> bah I still get no kernel modules found on precise i386 kubuntu i386 image
[11:44] <smartboyhw> Report: The "kernel modules not found" doesn't exist on amd64
[11:50] <cjwatson> Riddell: desktop or alternate?
[11:50] <cjwatson> I guess must be alternate
[11:50] <Riddell> yes alternate
[11:51] <cjwatson> downloading
[11:51] <Riddell> thanks
[11:52] <davmor2> ogra_: what's the issue with u1 on an unregistered device?
[11:52] <ogra_> davmor2, it wants 2Fa auth
[11:53] <davmor2> Daviey: Allow me to stake out 2fa for you to pour on the petrol
[11:53] <ogra_> davmor2, if i dont have my yubikey with me i'm screwed
[11:55] <davmor2> ogra_: you could change 2fa down from always use, to use on sites that demand it and then u1 doesn't.
[11:56] <ogra_> there is an option for that ?!?
[11:56]  * ogra_ will need to read more docs it seems
[11:57] <davmor2> ogra_: https://login.ubuntu.com/ just below personal details
[11:58] <cjwatson> stgraber: Could you copy all the netboot builds from Precise Daily to Precise 12.04.2?
[11:58] <cjwatson> I don't know if that's something I can do, or if so how to do it
[11:59]  * ogra_ hugs davmor2 
[12:01] <davmor2> ogra_: you still get hit on the site just not on the client etc  it'll cut it down by about 30-60% depending on where you go in your work day
[12:05] <ogra_> well, at least i should be able to edit bugs without 2Fa requirement again
[12:05] <ogra_> (public ones)
[12:05] <ogra_> and U1 should work ... thats enough
[12:08] <davmor2> ogra_: you'll still get it on LP if you login, but then it shouldn't require it
[12:36] <Daviey> cjwatson: did you see my comment on bug 1116382 ?
[12:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1116382 in openvswitch (Ubuntu Precise) "openvswitch-datapath-dkms FTBFS with 12.04.2 3.5 kernel" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1116382
[12:43] <cjwatson> No
[12:44] <cjwatson> I was bulk-moving all the milestones
[12:44] <cjwatson> And I did say to jamespage that this had missed the boat and he said that was OK ...
[12:44] <cjwatson> Daviey: If it isn't on the ISO, what does it matter if it lands an hour after the 12.04.2 image release? :)
[12:45] <jamespage> ditto for iscsitarget
[12:45] <jamespage> so long as they land in -updates as soon as possible after 12.04.2 it should be OK
[12:45] <cjwatson> Yes
[12:46] <Daviey> cjwatson / jamespage: Ok, i just didn't want an out-of-gate bad experience.. but hours is surely fine :)
[12:48] <cjwatson> I may flush earlier, but I still need to sort out this Kubuntu thing ...
[12:48] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, testing if Xubuntu has that problem too
[12:48] <cjwatson> (Sorry for delay, my daughter cut her foot and needed immediate attention)
[12:49] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: Thanks; though I suspect that once I've analysed it I'll be able to check centrally
[12:49] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, OK
[12:51] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: what's the status on me releasing qt4-x11 security updates today?
[12:51] <cjwatson> That depends on what this Kubuntu problem is
[12:51] <cjwatson> You'll be able to do so later today for sure
[12:52] <cjwatson> Oh, blast, generic vs. generic-pae
[12:52] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: cool, let me know when I can. Thanks!
[12:52] <cjwatson> Hate everything
[12:52] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, oh
[12:52] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: Won't affect you, I don't think
[12:53] <cjwatson> Since Xubuntu uses generic across the board
[12:53] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, yes but anyway I still needed to test it
[12:53] <cjwatson> Bah, hand-editing strikes again
[12:54]  * smartboyhw gives a punchbag to cjohnston 
[12:54] <smartboyhw> oops
[12:54]  * smartboyhw gives a punchbag to cjwatson 
[12:54] <cjwatson> Seriously.  Three letters then tab. :)
[12:55] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, I'm lazy:P
[12:55] <ogra_> or set up your IRC client properly
[12:55]  * smartboyhw is stupid in IRC
[12:55] <ogra_> there is an option for tab completion that isnt using A-Z
[12:55] <ogra_> but completes based on who spoke last in the channel
[12:56] <Riddell> cjwatson: what is -pae?
[12:56] <cjwatson> The kernel flavour you're meant to be using
[12:56] <cjwatson> I made a seed mistake.  Cleaning up now
[12:57] <cjwatson> And actually Xubuntu is a bit wrong too ...
[12:57] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, damn I am testing it right now............
[12:58] <cjwatson> I *think* in the Xubuntu case this will only cause bloat
[12:59] <knome> why you bloat us :P
[12:59] <smartboyhw> knome, +1
[12:59] <cjwatson> If nobody's tested it yet I could fix and respin
[12:59] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, you mean which image?
[12:59] <cjwatson> Xubuntu alternate i386
[13:00] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, thank you I'm testing it RIGHT NOW in Testdrive
[13:00] <smartboyhw> :(
[13:00] <cjwatson> Hm, perhaps not
[13:00] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, is it a big problem?
[13:00] <cjwatson> It doesn't actually appear to have the generic-pae kernel on it
[13:00] <cjwatson> So it should be fine
[13:00] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, no
[13:01] <cjwatson> OK, so it's just Kubuntu alternate i386
[13:01] <smartboyhw> respin and I will test it immediately:P
[13:01] <cjwatson> Respin what?
[13:02] <cjwatson> Didn't realise you tested Kubuntu
[13:02] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, yep. I and Riddell were testing it at the same time when Riddell told me of the bug
[13:03] <cjwatson> Respinning
[13:03] <Riddell> we kidnapped smartboyhw for kubuntu :)
[13:03] <cjwatson> Heh
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no I volunteered:P (I always like helping flavors do their tests0
[13:04] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, nobody doing Mythbuntu?
[13:04] <cjwatson> Don't know
[13:05] <smartboyhw> I asked in #ubuntu-mythtv-dev and nobody replied
[13:06] <Daviey> smartboyhw: replied :)
[13:11] <cjwatson> Riddell,smartboyhw: ^- respin
[13:12] <cjwatson> Looks more sensible from a file listing
[13:12] <smartboyhw> cjohnston, Ok
[13:13] <Riddell> awooga, thanks cjwatson
[13:13]  * smartboyhw really needs to set up his IRC client properly
[13:13] <smartboyhw> cjwatson thx
[13:13] <cjohnston> smartboyhw: 1 + 2 + 3 + tab
[13:14] <cjohnston> We will call it the Laney meathod
[13:14] <Laney> I got some t-shirts made
[13:15] <smartboyhw> cjohnston, got it
[13:16] <cjohnston> Laney: awesome
[13:16] <ogra_> smartboyhw, what client do you use ?
[13:16] <smartboyhw> ogra_, XChat
[13:17] <ogra_> smartboyhw, so go to settings ... in the input field (or however it is called) settings there is a dropdown menu
[13:17] <ogra_> switch it from A-Z to the other option
[13:17] <smartboyhw> ogra_, OK
[13:19] <ogra_> now your tab completion of "cj+tab" should completre to the last cj* who spoke in the channel automatically
[13:19] <ogra_> *complete
[13:19]  * cjohnston makes a note to never talk in a channel cjwatson is in again..
[13:19] <cjohnston> crap.. I already failed
[13:19] <smartboyhw> cjohnston, LOL:P
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Sorry
[13:20] <ogra_> cjohnston, well, indeed it only helps if not both of you babble in the same channel all the time :P
[13:20] <ogra_> but often enough you are quiet while colin owns a channel conversation
[13:21] <smartboyhw> ogra_, more LOL
[13:23] <cjohnston> ogra_: very true, in most channels
[13:26] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, actually all of Ubuntu Studio images are tested and OK (That small bug will have to wait till 12.04.3 as you marked) so we are now waiting for scott-work (again)
[13:42] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: That's fine, thanks
[13:42] <smartboyhw> cjwatson :)
[13:45] <seb128> ogra_, there is also a mode where it doesn't autocomplete if there is a completion conflict, e.g my xchat-gnome lists the choices if I do cj<tab> but doesn't complete
[13:45] <cjwatson> Ubuntu DVD testing is rather lacking, if anyone has time for that
[13:46] <ogra_> seb128, hmm, cant see it in plain xchat
[13:46] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, I would love to but no:P
[13:53]  * cjwatson goes for power-nap before he falls over
[13:53] <cjwatson> Aiming to release in two or three hours from now, I expect
[14:01] <stgraber> cjwatson: yep, will do
[14:05] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, that bug was completely fixed thank you
[14:06] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, can we actually skip the Wubi testcases for Kubuntu? No testers AT ALL.....
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Please forgive us...
[14:10] <ScottK> smartboyhw: It's up to the product manager (Riddell) to decide if it's acceptable to skip a test or not.  No need to bug other people about it.
[14:11] <smartboyhw> ScottK, sorry (I think he will ask for it anyway:P)
[14:11]  * Riddell feels empowered
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you always are:P
[14:31] <scott-work> good morning cjwatson, smartboyhw reports that the ubuntu studio 12.04.02 ISO have tested well and therefore i want to approve the issue
[14:32] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'm going to do a selective copy of just amd64, i386 and armhf+* (looking at what we released for 12.04.1)
[14:54] <Riddell> skaet, cjwatson: 12.04.2 kubuntu images are good to go
[14:55]  * smartboyhw applauds loudly
[14:59] <stgraber> Riddell: do you have a team on Launchpad I could delegate the kubuntu products to (that way you can mark them as ready yourself ;))?
[14:59] <cjwatson> scott-work,Riddell: thanks
[15:00] <cjwatson> scott-work: (marked)
[15:00] <cjwatson> stgraber: thanks
[15:00] <Riddell> stgraber: hmm lots, kubuntu-members, kubuntu-council, kubuntu-packagers.  what do others use?
[15:00] <ScottK> stgraber: They are marked ready in the tracker.
[15:00] <ScottK> (I have access to do this, so I assume Riddell does too)
[15:01] <Riddell> I probably do
[15:01] <ScottK> I went ahead an marked the Alpha 2 images as ready too.
[15:01] <stgraber> right, you do because you both happen to be in ~ubuntu-release
[15:02] <ScottK> So is Riddell.
[15:02] <ScottK> That's also the set of people we want to be able to mark ready, so it's fine.
[15:03] <stgraber> ok, if you ever want someone else to be able to do so, create a kubuntu-release team or similar on LP and let me know (currently only Edubuntu is setup that way with ~edubuntu-release)
[15:06] <ScottK> OK.  I think we can wait until we need it to spend the time for all of us to get it set up.  Thanks.
[15:06] <stgraber> sure
[15:12] <cjwatson> Daviey,jamespage: OK, openvswitch and iscsitarget released
[15:16] <cjwatson> Daviey: I don't remember - did you confirm or deny whether there's anything that should be added to the announcement as a high-profile server/cloud change for .2?
[15:16] <cjwatson> It's OK if not but I wanted to explicitly check
[15:18] <ScottK> cjwatson: Should I go ahead and drop my block on proposed migration (from Alpha 2)?  I'm about to disappear for several hours so it's ~now or in 7 hours.
[15:20] <cjwatson> ScottK: Well, anyone in ~ubuntu-release can do it if you've said it's OK ...
[15:21] <cjwatson> ScottK: I don't know the state of alpha 2, head full with 12.04.2
[15:21] <ScottK> OK.
[15:21] <ScottK> Kubuntu images are all done.
[15:21] <ScottK> I don't know the state for cloud.
[15:22] <ScottK> skaet_: In case I'm not around, feel free to drop my transition block when Alpha 2 is released.
[15:22] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.  That makes sense.  I hadn't thought it through.
[15:28] <plars> cjwatson: is there a netboot release for 12.04.2? the urls pointed to in the iso tracker don't seem to be valid
[15:29] <cjwatson> s/precise/precise-updates/
[15:29] <cjwatson> It's not really a release as such - it's in the archive like it or not
[15:29] <cjwatson> Would be nice if it were tested though
[15:30] <bjf> infinity, i have a precise kernel that would like to go to -proposed
[15:30] <plars> cjwatson: we're doing that now
[15:31] <cjwatson> plars: Unfortunately I can't fix the download links because they just say /dists/SERIES/... which is substituted, and SERIES-updates wouldn't work for raring
[15:31] <cjwatson> Can you cope with just manually substituting for the moment?
[15:31] <plars> cjwatson: oh, certainly
[15:31] <cjwatson> bjf: please wait until after .2
[15:31] <cjwatson> Oh, -proposed, not -updates
[15:31] <plars> cjwatson: just wanted tomake sure we're getting the right one
[15:31] <cjwatson> Sorry, yeah, that's not a problem (not that I can deal with it right now)
[15:32] <cjwatson> plars: Yeah, the version numbers are unique
[15:32] <jamespage> cjwatson, thanks
[15:33] <cjwatson> plars: The Ubuntu DVD is probably more urgent FWIW
[15:33] <cjwatson> That's the only thing that will actually be meaningfully released that's mostly untested right no
[15:33] <cjwatson> w
[15:37] <plars> cjwatson: yes, we're looking at that too
[15:43] <stgraber> cjwatson: actually, we can override per-series. Let me do that for precise.
[15:43] <cjwatson> stgraber: Aha, thanks
[15:43] <cjwatson> I got lost in the web UI
[15:44] <cjwatson> It has the same problem as Launchpad that you need to understand the taxonomy before you can find your way around :)
[15:45] <smartboyhw> GN
[15:46] <stgraber> plars: links should have been fixed for those that had links (apparently a few products don't...)
[15:47] <ogra_> cjwatson, do you happen to know what infinity was fiddling with the last days ?  the nexus7 images behave weird and it seems someone did a manual build on the 12th (which i assume was him)
[15:47] <stgraber> (armel, armhf+armadaxp and armhf+highbank don't have any download links)
[15:48] <ogra_> cjwatson, and funnily 20130212 as well as 20130213 dont work, but 20120212.1 (the apparent manual build) works fine
[15:49] <ogra_> i know he was on something with the builders, but dont know what
[15:55] <cjwatson> ogra_: I don't, sorry
[15:55] <ogra_> thx
[16:01] <cjwatson> stgraber: What's the difference between red and blue in test counts on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds (e.g. look at netboot amd64 mandatory vs. i386)?
[16:03] <smartboyhw> cjwatson that is orange not red
[16:03] <smartboyhw> It means a test is in progress
[16:04] <smartboyhw> Blue means no testcases are reported as passed, failed or in progress
[16:06] <stgraber> cjwatson: blue is that nothing was done and nobody is working on it. Orange is for at least one of the testcases is being done by someone (in-progress)
[16:08] <jdstrand> cjwatson: am I ok to push universe security updates to precise? (I saw the note earlier about other ones, so I will wait on openjdk-6 til you say so)
[16:09] <infinity> bjf: 38.60?  Already copied it yesterday, and just didn't twiddle the bug yet.
[16:10] <bjf> infinity, yup, that'd be the one
[16:11] <infinity> bjf: I must have gotten distracted between the copy and the bug.  Workflow (and you) reminded me this morning. :)
[16:14] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: Yeah, I guess
[16:14] <cjwatson> Thanks
[16:14] <henrix> infinity: while you're around... did you managed to get some time to verify the 2 bugs pending? :p
[16:14] <cjwatson> jdstrand,mdeslaur: Go for it
[16:15] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: thanks!
[16:15] <jdstrand> cjwatson: ah, for everything?
[16:15] <cjwatson> Yeah
[16:15] <jdstrand> \o/
[16:15] <jdstrand> cjwatson: thanks :)
[16:16] <cjwatson> Anything showstoppily broken now is just not getting released
[16:16] <infinity> henrix: Not yet, I'll try to corner a GSA to test today.
[16:16] <henrix> infinity: sweet! thanks
[16:18] <cjwatson> slangasek: Can I sign off on Ubuntu Core?
[16:24] <cjohnston> Laney: since your not in the other channel, we need to branch out with 1 2 3 tab ;-)
[16:24] <Laney> haha
[16:26] <smartboyhw> cjwatson: we have one test left for Xubuntu 12.04.2: Desktop i386 live environment
[16:26] <smartboyhw> And I can't find testers
[16:27] <cjwatson> Has it been tested recently on previous spins?
[16:27] <smartboyhw> Not sure
[16:29] <cjwatson> stgraber: ^- is there any way to tell that?
[16:30] <cjwatson> TBH I don't see a high probability of this being a problem given the other passes
[16:30] <smartboyhw> yes
[16:31] <cjwatson> slangasek: I've signed off Ubuntu Core on the forgiveness-rather-than-permission model :)
[16:31] <slangasek> cjwatson: heh, +1
[16:31] <cjwatson> Do you know if Jason is around to sign off desktop, or if somebody else should?
[16:31] <cjwatson> Or I could just do it - it's looking good, we just need some DVD tests finished
[16:32] <smartboyhw> cjwatson someone is doing the remaining Xubuntu test
[16:32] <cjwatson> Great, thanks
[16:33] <cjwatson> Daviey: How does server look for 12.04.2, in your opinion?
[16:34] <cjwatson> utlemming: Are you able to sort out 12.04.2 cloud release soon?
[16:35] <stgraber> cjwatson: checking the history, one sec
[16:36] <stgraber> cjwatson: last passed in 20130210
[16:36] <scott-work> stgraber: smartboyhw was saying that there might be a more "automated" way to mark releases by team instead of relying on IRC?
[16:36] <ogra_> infinity, did you see my above question ?
[16:36] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/builds/37363/testcases
[16:36] <scott-work> stgraber: if so, and especially if it makes it easier for you, i would love to assist setting this up
[16:36] <cjwatson> stgraber: Thanks
[16:37] <infinity> ogra_: I didn't change anything that should affect the images themselves, just where they were built (celbalrai instead of cadejo).
[16:37] <cjwatson> stgraber: How do I navigate to that?
[16:37] <infinity> ogra_: What's the expanded definition of "behaving weird"?
[16:37] <stgraber> scott-work: yes, if you can give me a Launchpad team, I can grant it admin rights for your products, that way you can manage some of your testcases, mark images as rebuilding/ready, ...
[16:37] <ogra_> infinity, X doesnt start
[16:37] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/254/history shows you the milestone history
[16:38] <stgraber> cjwatson: there's sadly no magic way of checking by testcase yet though, so in this case I manually checked for the same product and looked for builds with results
[16:38] <ogra_> infinity, the weird bit is that there were 0212 and 0212.1 images with 60sec mtime difference and while 12 was dead 21.1 worked fine .... and 13 is dead again
[16:38] <ogra_> *12.1
[16:38] <cjwatson> stgraber: Gotcha, thanks
[16:39] <infinity> ogra_: And 14?
[16:39] <ogra_> just untarring here
[16:40] <ogra_> but 12.1 vs 12 is very weird
[16:40] <ogra_> could it be that it got built on both builders that day ?
[16:40] <infinity> ogra_: Two different hosts, and one may have actually been pulling a stale livefs?
[16:40] <infinity> ogra_: It definitely built on both hosts one day, yes, when IS was fiddling with fixing celbalrai.
[16:40] <ogra_> well, but then i would have expected 13 to be fine again
[16:41] <infinity> ogra_: No, I mean 12.1 may have been a stale livefs, and 12-> could be broken because of, well, a bug in the software. :P
[16:41] <ogra_> hmm, right
[16:41] <ogra_> the .1 confused me
[16:41] <ogra_> indeed it doesnt matter what has the newer name
[16:41] <cjwatson> I'm going to sign off Ubuntu desktop and alternate - the one red bug there is one that I've discussed and know about, and that's in the release notes
[16:43] <ogra_> sigh, no X on 0214 it seems :(
[16:43] <ogra_> depressing
[16:43]  * cjwatson hopes that going for coffee will shake out the remaining signoffs
[16:44] <skaet_> utlemming, smoser - there are some alpha 2 cloud images not marked as tested,  anything ETA on when it will be done?   who's marking the images as ready for publishing,  smoser?
[16:45] <infinity> If you still have all the images, unpack them, chroot in, and do a quick dpkg -l manifest and compare versions?
[16:46] <smoser> utlemming, ^
[16:47] <utlemming> skaet_: doing that now
[16:49] <infinity> cjwatson: #-devel just reminded me, we had planned to continue offering old media for people who didn't want the HWE stack by default, right?
[16:49] <infinity> cjwatson: Which is a departure from the usual 12.04 == 12.04.2 thing we do.
[16:50]  * cjwatson signs off Mythbuntu on behalf of tgm4883
[16:50] <cjwatson> infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack says we'll offer them from old-releases
[16:52] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, fair enough.  I'm wondering if that should be publicised a tiny bit, or if we just assume the "I need the old media" usecase is small enough that people will find it themselves?
[16:52] <cjwatson> I've just let Peter Mahnke know, rather belatedly, for the web team
[16:52] <cjwatson> Since the plan is to link them from the website
[16:52] <infinity> Check.
[16:53] <cjwatson> skaet_,slangasek: When are you planning to kick out the alpha?  I'd like to freeze nusakan's sync-mirrors soon to prepare the 12.04.2 tree, and don't want to clash with you
[16:54] <smartboyhw> cjwatson:  All xubuntu tests completed
[16:54] <skaet_> cjwatson, Kubuntu's ready now.   just waiting for utlemming/smoser to weigh in.
[16:54] <smartboyhw> Waiting knome
[16:54] <skaet_> for alpha 2 images.
[16:54] <cjwatson> smoser: Do you have any information on the remaining 12.04.2 server testing, and whether it should be signed off despite the handful of missing tests?  Daviey didn't answer me earlier
[16:54] <utlemming> skaet_: eta 10 minutes
[16:55] <skaet_> slangasek, ^   you able to start the publishing as soon as utlemming finishes?  (/me assuming no issues, its just book keeping now)
[16:56] <cjwatson> Perhaps if .2 could go first - I'm a bit time-constrained due to web team interaction
[16:56] <smoser> cjwatson, i'll dig on that.
[16:56] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: I expect I will timeout and sign it off anyway in the next ten minutes or so - don't have a lot of time
[16:56] <infinity> Doing .2 first was what we discussed on Monday, I thought?
[16:57] <smartboyhw> uh oh
[16:58] <cjwatson> Or rather, I'll probably just go ahead without signoff - testing is such that I'm not particularly worried at this point
[16:58] <cjwatson> infinity: I wasn't there
[16:58] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, right.  You had the day off and skipped the call.  Smart man.
[16:59] <cjwatson> In fact, I'm going to start publishing now, and just leave the unsignedoff images till last
[16:59] <smartboyhw> cjwatson: ok
[16:59] <infinity> cjwatson: Anyhow, we'd pretty much decided on .2 taking the lead, since if there was a screw-up/clash, accidentally half-publishing Alpha-2 with the 12.04.2 mirror pulse wouldn't be a big deal, but the inverse could suck.
[17:00] <skaet_> infinity,  where was it documented.  Had been wondering....
[17:01] <slangasek> skaet_, cjwatson: yes, I presume we should let .2 go first
[17:01] <cjwatson> Starting publication now
[17:01] <smartboyhw> :-D
[17:02] <infinity> skaet_: Not sure that needed to be documented, per se, though clearly Colin needed to be told.
[17:02] <skaet_> utlemming - can you mark your images as ready so cjwatson picks them up.  I'm not seeing them marked and the tools will need it.
[17:03] <skaet_> infinity,  I would have liked to know as well.
[17:04] <cjwatson> Heh, the tools are fungible, as it happens ;-)
[17:04] <cjwatson> But I'd like the signoff anyway
[17:04] <cjwatson> I use the tools as a guide, I don't necessarily let them rule me
[17:04] <skaet_> cjwatson,  fair 'nuf.  :)
[17:05] <infinity> skaet_: Sure, but the only two people who generally need to know who goes first down a ladder are the two people about to climb on.
[17:06] <skaet_> infinity, aspect for me was that i gave guidance earlier to test 12.04.2 before 13.04 alpha 2 upgrades - if I'd known about this ordering decision,  I'd have provided different guidance.
[17:06] <utlemming> skaet_: afaik, I don't have rights to mark something as ready.
[17:06] <cjwatson> utlemming: Tell me and I can
[17:07] <utlemming> cjwatson: they're ready
[17:07] <cjwatson> skaet_: That sounds like correct guidance, with 12.04.2 releasing first ...
[17:07] <skaet_> :)
[17:07] <cjwatson> utlemming: Thanks
[17:07] <cjwatson> utlemming: You ready to deal with releasing cloud images shortly too?
[17:08] <utlemming> cjwatson: the pre-publishing is taking longer than usual. I started the job two hours ago, and its only about 60% done
[17:08] <stgraber> utlemming: that can be arranged if you can give me a LP team to mark as owner for the cloud images
[17:08]  * cjwatson races utlemming
[17:08] <cjwatson> stgraber: this is for server I think
[17:08] <cjwatson> we don't appear to have cloud on the tracker
[17:09] <infinity> skaet_: Yeah, I'm confused as to why that would have been wrong.
[17:09] <stgraber> cjwatson: ah, sorry got confused between server for 12.04.2 and cloud for alpha2...
[17:09] <cjwatson> (no doubt the same applies to both, really)
[17:09] <stgraber> utlemming: anyway, we can delegate stuff, so feel free to provide me with team names and product lists and I'll set it up for you (those teams should be fairly restricted for obvious reasons)
[17:10] <utlemming> stgraber: sure, I'll get that over to you
[17:10] <cjwatson> plars: Do you think we're mostly OK on the Ubuntu DVD now?
[17:11] <cjwatson> plars: I'm inclined to go ahead ...
[17:11] <plars> cjwatson: yes, we logged results on 64 and 32 bit, only thing I think is odd is that it goes to the text selector for install vs. live, but that's not new
[17:11] <cjwatson> OK, can check that out at some later point I guess ...
[17:12] <plars> cjwatson: things are looking good from our end, but continuing to test... only new thing we're seeing is that the language selector seems to come up still for netboot installs of desktop, but nothing serious
[17:12] <cjwatson> plars: I think that's known - that's the other half of the bug I duped your earlier bug against, and I targeted it to 12.04.3
[17:12] <plars> cjwatson: ack
[17:13] <cjwatson> plars: bug 1056689, the pkgsel half
[17:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056689 in pkgsel (Ubuntu Precise) ""Incomplete language support" for english after netboot installation" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056689
[17:14] <skaet_> utlemming, cjwatson - have gone and marked the 13.04 alpha 2 cloud images as ready.
[17:14] <cjwatson> ah, wondered what that was
[17:15] <cjwatson> knome,smartboyhw: I'm timing out now and marking Xubuntu as ready, since I really need to get on with the tail-end of this and the testing looks fine.  Thanks!
[17:15] <smartboyhw> cjwatson:ok. Hope knome doesn't kill me or you for that
[17:17] <ogra_> GRRR !!!!!!!!
[17:17] <ogra_> so how come there is a /tmp/,X0-lock file in my tarballs !
[17:27] <cjwatson> Dealing with old-releases at the moment
[17:27] <infinity> henrix: So, we'll get to those SRU verifications tomorrow.  Looks like someone busted the serial console server's setup, which makes it sort of hard to test if the serial console works.
[17:28] <henrix> infinity: ok, thanks. i'll remind you again tomorrow about it :)
[17:49] <cjwatson> bdmurray: Could you please update changelogs.u.c/meta-release* to say 12.04.2?
[17:56] <plars> cjwatson: jamespage and I have been discussing minimal virtual server installs oversized due to pulling in 150M of modules - see bug #1125408
[17:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1125408 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04.2 minimal virtual install is oversized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1125408
[17:57] <cjwatson> Mm, it's too late now whatever it is ...
[17:57] <cjwatson> I've already done the publishing, waiting for mirrors
[17:57] <plars> otherwise server has been ok so far
[17:57] <cjwatson> But that's a matter of going over our own definition of limits, not anything external
[17:57] <cjwatson> So I don't think it'd be a blocker anyway ...
[18:01] <jamespage> cjwatson, well I agree its a limits failure; and not a blocker
[18:02] <jamespage> but we are doing something different for 12.04.2
[18:02] <jamespage> in that we no longer offer a 'minimal virtual' install of the kernel
[18:03] <cjwatson> OK; but it is now too late to fix for .2 I'm afraid
[18:03] <cjwatson> If it's a serious concern you can certainly add a release note and we can try to figure out what's going on for .3
[18:03] <plars> jamespage, cjwatson: as near as we can tell, it's due to the move to 3.5 kernel and there's no linux-virtual for it
[18:03] <cjwatson> Ah, heh
[18:03] <cjwatson> -> kernel team :)
[18:04] <plars> I'm do recall some discussion from the past about the fact that linux-virtual was not going to exist for 3.5, but I don't know the motivation behind it
[18:12] <skaet_> cjwatson, slangasek - could you please flag it to Riddell, utlemming when they can send out the announce for the 13.04 alpha 2 images?
[18:13] <bdmurray> cjwatson: done
[18:14] <cjwatson> As far as I'm concerned slangasek can go ahead with publishing, but I wouldn't recommend running sync-mirrors yet because cdimage.u.c is still syncing 12.04.2
[18:14] <cjwatson> And I don't mind when the announcement happens
[18:14]  * cjwatson stops auto-syncs for Debian import freeze
[18:15] <skaet_> thanks cjwatson.
[18:16] <skaet_> slangasek,  could you please let Riddell know an ETA so he can check that the bits are in place before his announce goes out?
[18:17] <cjwatson> Announcement queued up in my mailer; if anyone edits it in the wiki now, best to let me know
[18:18] <cjwatson> I think I've run out of things to do other than waiting for mirrors to sync
[18:18] <ogra_> *you* have run out of things to do ?!?
[18:18] <stgraber> cjwatson: tried bittorrent yet? :)
[18:19] <cjwatson> ogra_: for today ...
[18:19] <ogra_> heh
[18:19] <cjwatson> stgraber: Doesn't usually tend to work for me due to NAT madness, and I think magellanic is still syncing anyway
[18:19] <cjwatson> Checking that is certainly on my list for when it gets a bit further along
[18:19] <stgraber> cjwatson: ok. Yeah, the sync takes ages, the checksumming takes even longer and after that it usually needs a kick to actually start seeding
[18:21] <zequence> stgraber: Hi. We discussed the possibility of using a Ubuntu Studio LP team for accepting a release ready for publishing. So, we agreed that ~ubuntustudio-core would be a good team for that.
[18:21] <cjwatson> stgraber: Indeed
[18:21] <stgraber> zequence: ok
[18:23] <infinity> cjwatson: Still no new magellanic?  Sadness.
[18:23] <cjwatson> infinity: Yeah, we're still running off my old ZX Spectrum
[18:24] <cjwatson> Maybe if I buy magellanic a new keyboard membrane it will be happier
[18:24] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm sure it's at least an Amiga A2000
[18:28] <Riddell> here's an e-mail for alpha 2 http://pad.ubuntu.com/alpha-2
[18:28] <Riddell> can I just send that to the ubuntu-devel-announce list now and it'll be approved at an appropriate time?
[18:29] <cjwatson> s/Alpha-1/Alpha 2/
[18:29] <cjwatson> and downcase "The" a bit before that
[18:29] <cjwatson> Actually I'll just copy-edit in the pad, one moment
[18:31] <cjwatson> OK, done.  But yeah, if that's easiest for you then go ahead.  slangasek has the moderator password so can deal with accepting it
[18:36] <Riddell> ok in the queue for slangasek to approve at a good time
[18:36] <Riddell> I'm out, text me if I'm needed, jriddell.org/contact.html
[18:37]  * skaet_ heading out as well for a bit.    online again later.
[18:40] <cjwatson> torrent.u.c rsync up to Ubuntu desktop
[19:06] <utlemming> cjwatson, skaet_: cloud images are ready for final promotion
[19:14] <ogra_> infinity, so if one of the images had a stale filesystem it must have been one of the two sitting on cadejo, right (likely the last one)
[19:14]  * ogra_ tries to find out what was the last good image, i seem to get nowhere tring to debug the current one 
[19:14] <infinity> ogra_: Seems likely that 12.1 was from cadejo, yeah, and the others were from celbalrai
[19:15] <ogra_> ok
[19:15] <ogra_> that should at least give me something to compare
[19:17] <slangasek> utlemming: "final promotion" - are you handling that part, or is there anything you need me to do for the a2 publishing of them?
[19:17] <slangasek> working on publishing kubuntu alpha2 now
[19:17] <infinity> -gnome-settings-daemon  3.6.4-0ubuntu3
[19:17] <infinity> +gnome-settings-daemon  3.6.4-0ubuntu5
[19:17] <infinity> ogra_: At least that could be suspect.
[19:17] <ogra_> yeah, well, i get it to work at times and dont know why yet
[19:18] <infinity> ogra_: gvfs and gnome-keyring too.
[19:18] <ogra_> we also fiddled with the unpacking of the tarball
[19:18] <infinity> ogra_: That was long ago, you claimed it only just broke.
[19:19] <ogra_> no, i had to revert it
[19:19] <infinity> You did?
[19:19] <ogra_> on tuesday
[19:19] <ogra_> ah, no, wrong package
[19:19] <ogra_> on friday
[19:20] <ogra_> so that cant be it if the image from the 11th worked
[19:20] <infinity> ogra_: Why did we roll back those bits?
[19:21] <stgraber> zequence: done. You'll need to logout for it to take effect
[19:21] <ogra_> tar did exit nonzero, remember we talked about introducing something like fixrtc later to fix it once and for all
[19:21] <ogra_> i didnt get to that yet, but the rollback shouldnt do any harm (and the 0211 image seemingly works)
[19:22] <infinity> Fair enough.
[19:22] <utlemming> slangasek: I just need the okay to pull the trigger.
[19:23] <utlemming> slangasek: by final promotion, it just means making the images public, and I do handle that bit
[19:23] <stgraber> utlemming: done for cloud images too
[19:24] <stgraber> (setting the ACLs that's)
[19:26] <slangasek> utlemming: I think you're good to publish
[19:26]  * utlemming makes cloud images public
[19:27] <zequence> stgraber: Ok, so we'll get automatically assigned to a bug, when a new release is to be accepted (just being thorough)?
[19:28] <stgraber> zequence: nope, what that gives you is simply more rights on iso.qa.ubuntu.com. Members of that team can now mark images as Ready (instead of asking a release manager to do so), you can also edit the results for your products and change the testsuites.
[19:29] <zequence> stgraber: Ah, ok. That clears it up. Thanks
[19:39] <utlemming> Okay, cloud images are published and public
[19:43] <cjwatson> Can anyone check whether 12.04.2 torrents are working, please?
[19:43] <slangasek> cjwatson: do you know what the size limit is on cdimage.u.c nowadays?
[19:44] <cjwatson> website looks up to date
[19:44] <cjwatson> slangasek: individual images or the whole thing?
[19:44] <slangasek> the whole thing
[19:45] <slangasek> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/alpha-2/ doesn't seem to be updating with content
[19:45] <cjwatson> 400+ G
[19:45] <slangasek> well
[19:45] <slangasek> we're at 459G used
[19:45] <cjwatson> according to lamont a bit earlier
[19:45] <cjwatson> no, I mean 400+ GB free now
[19:46] <slangasek> oh, ok
[19:46] <cjwatson> we don't have a space problem right now :)
[19:46] <slangasek> ah, and indeed the files are trickling in now
[19:46] <slangasek> very slow sync though, wonder what's up with that
[19:46] <slangasek> torrents seem to check out (spot check only)
[19:47] <cjwatson> promising
[19:48] <antarus> is it time for booze yet?
[20:03]  * cjwatson hits send
[20:04]  * ogra_ gives up trying to fix the nx7 images today ... cant really find the cause for teh breakage :(
[20:11] <davmor2> ogra_: have you tried looking down the back of the sofa, I find that's where most things you can't find seem to wind up ;)
[20:12] <slangasek> ok, kubuntu a2 images published; moderating the announcement
[20:12] <ogra_> well, there is a wall but yeah, i should look between the pillows
[20:12] <ogra_> :)
[20:13] <ogra_> i'll find the issue tomorrow, i'm sure, its just that after hours of hacking on a portrait mode nx7 inside an initrd with a really bad tiny kbd i feel exhausted ...
[20:15] <ogra_> and i'm through all the usual suspects now
[20:16] <davmor2> ogra_: I empathise have you not got the Nexus 7 keyboard dock/case ?   I suspect if it was working with Ubuntu it might make your life a hell of a lot easier
[20:17] <ogra_> i have a nice little keyboard for it ... which is fine for travelling and even occasional IRC ... but really painful if you need non std chars that are in non std places due to the reduced siye
[20:17] <ogra_> *size
[20:17] <ogra_> i.e. / right of backspace and such fun
[20:18] <davmor2> ogra_: ah yeah muscle memory can bite you sometimes
[20:19] <ogra_> well, not only that ... bad labeling (dark grey on black) too :)
[20:19] <ogra_> and indeed, the keys are really tiny
[20:19] <ogra_> (so are the labels)
[20:31] <GridCube> p
[20:32] <slangasek> ogra_: I have my n7 wired to my kvm ;P
[20:32] <ogra_> heh
[20:34] <slangasek> ScottK: can you clear your britney block?
[21:14] <jdstrand> cjwatson: hey, did you turn copy-report back on?
[21:38] <cjwatson> jdstrand: oh no, sorry.  done now
[21:57] <knome> cjwatson, that's fine. thanks!
[22:03] <jdstrand> cjwatson: thanks! :)
[22:03] <jdstrand> wanted to make sure those qt4 and openjdks got mirrored
[22:20] <ScottK> slangasek: Done.
[22:20] <slangasek> ScottK: ta