[07:32] <knightwise> morning
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> \o knightwise
[07:35] <knightwise> hey MartijnVdS :) how are you dude
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> waiting for the snow
[08:23] <jacobw> morning
[08:23]  * dwatkins looks out across the Pentlands at the blue sky
[08:23] <dwatkins> no snow here, methinks
[08:24] <kvarley> I get 403 forbidden on my new virtual host, I've chowned the directory recursively to kevin:www-data and have run chmod. Any ideas on why it is still complaining
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://buienradar.nl/
[08:24] <neuro> ahhh the evil pentlands
[08:24] <dwatkins> in fact it must be that rare day when the cloud cover is practically non-existant in Edinburgh
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: DirectoryIndex not allowed?
[08:24] <dwatkins> neuro: they're evil? do they eat babies?
[08:24] <neuro> um, yes?
[08:24] <jacobw> kvarley: it's probably the virtual host, as MartijnVdS says
[08:24] <neuro> they also creep around at night
[08:25] <neuro> also, they're east of me, and anything east of me is Bad
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: I've found that (temporarily) enabling debug-level logging in Apache helps debugging things like this
[08:25] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: DIrectoryIndex flag is not in my virtual host file at all heh
[08:25] <neuro> anything west of me is Awesome
[08:25] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: are we gonna need snowtroopers by the end of the day over herre ,
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: it's _verbose_
[08:25] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: ah I see, http://uk.weather.com/weather/today-Edinburgh-UKXX0052 - scroll down for radar and how far I am from the storm ;)
[08:26] <neuro> dwatkins: WHY ARE YOU WARMER THAN ME?
[08:26] <neuro> http://uk.weather.com/weather/today/UKXX0820:1:UK
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> warmer .. or HOTTER
[08:26] <dwatkins> neuro: the Gulf Stream
[08:27] <neuro> bah
[08:27] <dwatkins> given the choice, I'd rather be too cold than too hot - if it's too cold, I can put extra layers on.
[08:27] <neuro> true dat
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: if it's too hot you can take off clothes!
[08:28] <jacobw> i always say that too, but still wish i was too hot when it's -10
[08:28] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I tend to walk around in a t-shirt all year round
[08:28] <dwatkins> I didn't even bother bringing my coat to work today
[08:28] <neuro> nutter
[08:28] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: How do I enable debug mode? :)
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: look for "loglevel" in the docs/config .. I think you can set it per vhost.. but I'm not sure
[08:30] <jacobw> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#loglevel
[08:31] <kvarley> jacobw: Thanks I got it :)
[08:31] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Just says permission denied to /
[08:31] <neuro> kvarley: do you have an index.html file in there?
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: yes. but the error log should have a lot of info
[08:32] <kvarley> neuro: No but Indexes is on
[08:33] <kvarley> I needed to 775 my home dir
[08:34] <kvarley> I had the correct permissions on the root folder itself
[08:34] <kvarley> But it couldn't get down to the web root folder heh
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: 711 on ~ should be enough
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> (rwx--x--x, or even 701 rwx-----x)
[08:36] <neuro> kvarley: so you're sorted now?
[08:37]  * jacobw procrastinates starting work proper
[08:38]  * neuro has no work to start :(
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> neuro: time to flood stackoverflow!
[08:38] <neuro> pff
[08:38] <jacobw> why flood stackoverflow?
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: with good answers
[08:39] <jacobw> oh
[08:39] <kvarley> neuro: Yeah, ty & MartijnVds
[08:39] <neuro> MartijnVdS: serverfault, maybe
[08:39] <neuro> <- != developer
[08:40] <jacobw> !self.developer
[08:40] <jacobw> FTFY
[08:40] <neuro> err, pfff :)
[08:41] <neuro> i presume that's some sort of python
[08:42] <jacobw> ha
[08:42] <jacobw> 08:40:15 lubotu3 | Sorry, I don't know anything about 'self.developer'
[08:50] <popey> Morning
[08:51] <knightwise> hey popey  !
[09:02] <Laney> thee's this glowing orb thing in the sky
[09:02] <Laney> what's going on? i thought it was supposed to be grey!
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> Laney: Lies!
[09:02]  * popey has closed the blind so as not to be affected by the skyball
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Skyballlll
[09:36] <jonsaint> hello all. can anyone recommend a programme for converting films ready to put onto a dvd? i used to use devede but it keeps crashing
[09:41] <jonsaint> i cant get devede to work no more, keeps crashing, can anyone recommend an alternitive
[09:42] <jonsaint> anyone??
[09:45] <popey> jonsaint: be good to get devede fixed..
[09:46] <mungbean_> handbrake?
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: that's the other way around
[09:47] <mungbean_> :S
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: what you're looking for is called "dvd authoring"
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: there are several tools for it available in the software centre
[09:47] <mungbean_> i have 10 apps installed on my pc trying to do something simliar but never remember which one worked OK for me
[09:49] <jacobw> mozilla autoconfig is ridiculously complicated
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: proxy autoconfig?
[09:51] <jacobw> http://mit.edu/~thunderbird/www/maintainers/autoconfig.html
[09:52] <jacobw> it's layers upons layers of half implemented mostly undocumented mechanisms for setting configuration values
[09:56] <jacobw> http://www.coinheist.com/rubik/a_regular_crossword/grid.pdf
[09:56] <jacobw> nice
[09:58] <jonsaint> anyone recommend an alternitive to devede? mine keeps crashing!
[10:00] <popey> jonsaint: what's wrong with devede?
[10:00] <popey> i.e. at what point does it crash?
[10:10] <jonsaint> popey, it just keeps crashing. sometimes it will go so far into it and lock up the pc, but most times it will let me add the film and when i click next it hangs a few seconds, turns grey and then closes
[10:13] <popey> if it completely locks up the PC then that's a worry
[10:13] <popey> does it not offer to send a crash report?
[10:14] <jonsaint> not sure, when it comes up it just asks if i want it left close or relaunch. i think there was a crash report but not sure
[10:15] <jonsaint> popey, so far its 26% done and all is well
[10:15] <popey> ah, good
[10:15] <popey> what version of ubuntu?
[10:15] <jonsaint> latest one
[10:16] <popey> which? 12.10?
[10:16] <jonsaint> yes
[10:16] <popey> when it crashes, do you get an option to see more details?
[10:16] <popey> it might not be devede crashing but something underneath
[10:16] <popey> be good to see what
[10:17] <popey> are there any crash files in /var/crash ?
[10:17] <jonsaint> i got terminal running as its doing it so i can see where it crashes
[10:28] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:50] <cliftonts> Morning all. I've got a bit of a problem I could do with some help with. I need to automate downloading of a file from a website but I need to log in first.
[10:51] <cliftonts> I'm guessing there must be a wget type solution but how do I provide login credentials that way?
[10:53] <SuperMatt> depends how the credentials are dealt with, I guess
[10:53] <cliftonts> Ahh, I figured it out
[10:53] <SuperMatt> well done
[10:54] <cliftonts> I was leafing through the wget man page while waiting.
[10:54] <cliftonts> But knowing the company that runs that website I really didn't expect it to be that simple!
[10:56] <cliftonts> oh... it's not lol. I'm trying to download a csv but the link goes to nameoffile.asp. I've got to figure out the exact link to the csv now.
[10:57] <SuperMatt> tbh, if the website is doing things like that, chances are they *really* don't want you downloading stuff automatically
[11:07] <cliftonts> But this is a CSV provided for the purpose of automatically syncronising your website with theirs
[11:36] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:39] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[11:45] <mungbean_> has nayone else got really small tab/sheet names in libreoffice?
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> I have a very crashy LO
[12:52] <ali1234> !info overlay-scrollbar raring
[13:28] <cliftonts> AlanBell are you about?
[13:38] <penguin42> haha - T-mobile managed to charge me 32p for 43kb of data in the couple of 2nds it took me to turn data off as my phone booted so I could figure out if my internet booster had run out
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: just because they bill per MB, right?
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> and this is just the "1MB" price?
[13:44] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Not sure; it's a pain - they don't tell you when the booster finishes, so the only way to know for sure is to text AL to 150; so I switched on, turned off data, sent the text
[13:44] <kvarley> Any ideas why I can only select a maximum resolution of 1600x900 on my laptop? I've disabled my laptop screen and have enabled an external monitor that is capable of 1080p resolution. I'm running proprietary AMD drivers
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they don't tell you? is that even allowed?
[13:45] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I doubt it
[13:45] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It's '6 months' so it does seem to be 6 calendar months
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> to the day?
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> I have odafone
[13:45] <penguin42> looks like it - 2nd time I've done it, so wasn't sure when exactly the 1st one would finish
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> Vodafone(NL)
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> and I can see when every bit of my plan ends in their "My Vodafone" pages
[13:46] <penguin42> yeh the T-mobile one is crap
[13:47] <penguin42> but for £20 for 6 months of OKish data on my phone it's cheap
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> agreed
[13:50]  * MartijnVdS has to not-yet-activated pay-as-you-go SIMs, though I doubt there's much 3G near Land's End
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> to? two!
[13:50] <Laney> twit twoo
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> only 12 weeks before I go :)
[13:54] <penguin42> just to lang's end?
[13:54] <penguin42> d
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no, that's just the middle bit
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I'll be driving around for a week :)
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> First day will be from the ferry (Harwich) to somewhere around Exmoor
[13:59] <penguin42> ooh the Moors.....
[14:00] <penguin42> best to make sure you're up on all appropriate moor horror films; start with Hound of the Baskervilles and American Werefolf in London
[14:00] <penguin42> w
[14:00] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: If you see a pub called the Slaughtered Lamb RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:02] <AlanBell> davmor2: the Slaughtered Lamb (may contain 40% horse)
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: +up to
[14:14] <mungbean_> "you made me miss"
[14:14] <davmor2> MartijnVdS, penguin42: you want basil rathbones and jeremy brett hound of the baskervilles
[14:16] <penguin42> davmor2: Hell yes; personally I prefer Jeremy Brett of the two
[14:16]  * penguin42 has the full set of Jeremy Brett's Holmes DVDs
[14:18] <davmor2> penguin42: Jeremy Brett is by far the best Holmes in older years, but I'm liking RDjnr for the young holmes
[14:18]  * penguin42 hasn't watched that
[14:19] <penguin42> davmor2: I must admit to liking the 1st few Cumberbach Holmes episodes; he got the character right
[16:47] <diplo_> Anyone know a way of checking out with python with something like chkconfig
[16:47] <diplo_> Basically writing a script that checks all our stuff is setup correctly if not either fixing it in the script or pointing to a how to if not
[16:47] <mgdm> Puppet? Chef? One of those
[16:47] <diplo_> So basically I want to check chkconfig to make sure the programs are listed there that i need
[16:48] <diplo_> Hmm, checking lot's of other stuff, but that could be an idea, rather than re-writing everything
[16:48] <diplo_> Not used either yet, so guess it would be a good experiment :)
[16:49] <mgdm> it's probably overkill for just checking services are running, but it's good for other things too
[16:51] <diplo_> Lot's of other checks tbh, I've just wrote a nice little script that checks yum repos etc
[16:51] <diplo_> Puppet would probably be better, but maybe a learning curve
[16:55] <mgdm> it's a learning curve I've gone through recently
[16:55] <mgdm> moving all my dev stuff to Vagrant VMs built by Puppet
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> Vagrant VMs?
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> A person without a settled home or regular work who wanders from place to place and lives by begging.
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> ??
[16:56] <penguin42>   'Anyone got a spare CPU cycle and a stale few GB of ram?'
[16:56] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: you've not heard of Vagrant before? http://www.vagrantup.com/
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: "only a few kbit/second will do sir!"
[17:02] <Laney> 5pm and still light :D
[17:02]  * Laney hasn't even had to turn his lamp on yet
[17:03] <diplo_> Will look at those tomorrow, thanks mgdm
[17:03] <diplo_> Looks worthwhile trying though
[17:05] <Laney> also
[17:05] <Laney> TEA RULES OK
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> Laney: real proper tea?
[17:07] <Laney> ceylon ceylon ceylon celyon
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> cylon tea?
[17:09] <ali1234> ok this is bad
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> ?
[17:09] <ali1234> ubuntu mobile qt5 messes with the $PATH and so qt5 qmake comes before the distro qt4 qmake
[17:09] <ali1234> this breaks compiling just about any qt app in ubuntu
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> But it's a FEATURE
[17:10] <ali1234> or maybe i did that
[17:21] <luisms> Does anybody know if Ubuntu runs slower if  it's on the "try Ubuntu" mode booted from a USB pendrive?
[17:22] <luisms> I refer to the 12.04 LTS version of it.
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> Well, USB drives are slower than hard disks
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> so that might slow it down
[17:22] <Azelphur> It'll be slower opening programs in general, but once things are up and running it should be about the same.
[17:23] <luisms> They fade black very often (the programs)
[17:23] <luisms> I believe it's Compiz way of telling that the program is not responding, right?
[17:23] <Azelphur> correct
[17:23] <Azelphur> luisms: are they trying to read/write from the disk?
[17:24] <luisms> I only open Firefox and Software Center
[17:24] <luisms> and they take a long time to load and stop responding frequently
[17:24] <luisms> I'm not sure what that means
[17:25] <penguin42> luisms: Firefox has a nasty habit of doing slow writes
[17:25] <penguin42> luisms: It especially affects slow USB sticks
[17:26] <luisms> Will that vanish once I install it on my HDD and install drivers, etc.?
[17:26] <penguin42> yes
[17:26] <penguin42> (We really should turn off the fsync's in the 'try')
[17:27] <luisms> Sorry, fsync?
[17:27] <penguin42> luisms: Ignore me - it's just what's making firefox slow
[17:27] <luisms> Oh, ok...
[17:28] <luisms> I think I'm going to install it on the HDD, if all that issues are likely to disappear
[17:28] <penguin42> yeh shoul do
[17:29] <luisms> Unity's effects and all that fancy graphics work ok... I believe is just the slow data transfer from the USB port, right?
[17:30] <penguin42> luisms: Probably - what's the spec of the machine; RAM, CPU, case colour...
[17:32] <luisms> It has 3592MB od RAM
[17:32] <penguin42> yeh that's fine
[17:32] <luisms> The CPU is a  4x AMD A8-3870 APU with Radeon Hd GRaphics
[17:33] <luisms> And I'm currently running Linux Mint 14 Nadia on it
[17:33] <penguin42> oh yeh that should be fine
[17:33] <luisms> Ok, thanks, I'll install it then.
[17:34] <luisms> And thanks again. (:
[17:40] <davmor2> popey: you got these yet https://twitter.com/GadgetPolly/status/302108199031554048/photo/1
[17:56] <popey> davmor2: no, bet son would love one
[18:10] <directhex> WHOA NELLY
[18:11] <directhex> front page steam sale right now is 50-75% off all linux games
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> *fires up steam*
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> or would that be "fires up boilers"
[18:31] <Klettbar> woul dyou buy a rugged lapto
[18:31] <Klettbar> which one
[18:32] <Klettbar> i mena from a point of view install linux on it etc
[18:32] <Klettbar> would you buy a rugged laptop
[18:35] <popey> Klettbar: the only rugged laptop I know of is the panasonic toughbooks
[18:35] <directhex> generally speaking i wouldn't buy a rugged laptop as i don't like the form factor
[18:35] <directhex> i know dell do a ruggedized model, but the toughbook is the standard bearer
[18:35] <popey> directhex: OMG! buying lots of games!
[18:35] <directhex> popey, i just bought 8!
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> The only time I've seen a "rugged" laptop, was the guy who came to fix the microwave (he did inventory stuff on it)
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> and it had a cute little printer in the same flight case as well :)
[18:37] <popey> i have 7 in my basket!
[18:37]  * MartijnVdS bought uplink+darwinia
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> for.. €2,49
[18:38] <popey> nice to see companies like chillingo porting their stuff over
[18:43] <popey> directhex: bought 9 ☺
[18:43] <popey> My Thursday night is now set. Chinese food. Wine. Games. Win!
[18:43] <directhex> THE SALE IS A LIE!
[18:44] <directhex> "save 50-75%" they say
[18:44] <directhex> serious sam 3, 80% off!
[18:44] <popey> Bastards!
[18:46] <davmor2> popey: Language
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> Illegitimate children!
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: better?
[18:50] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: much
[18:51] <Azelphur> bitcoin tried to give me a heat attack yesterday http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxGBP#rg2ztgTzm1g10zm2g25 xD
[18:51] <davmor2> one must not forget ones diction on this channel
[18:51] <davmor2> Azelphur: a heat attack it tried burning you?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: massive coin dumpage?
[18:52] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: dunno, something caused it haha, just after I stocked up too
[18:54] <Azelphur> davmor2: lol, heart attack* :P
[19:42] <penguin42> Azelphur: That'll have been the vast number of people converting them to pizzas
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: not roses? or chocolate?
[19:43] <Azelphur> penguin42: indeed, that's one theory
[19:43] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: No, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21427505
[19:45] <davmor2> Azelphur: starts to gain weight as his millions of bitcoins are spent on pizza
[19:45] <Azelphur> funny enough, I have a pizza on the way ;)
[19:49] <davmor2> Azelphur: the first lorry load is that :D
[19:49] <Azelphur> yea :P
[20:14] <directhex> there's a bitcoin store selling... ahem... adult novelties
[20:14] <Azelphur> there's a bitcoin store for everything now days ;)
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hitmen?
[20:22] <Azelphur> in all honesty, yes.
[20:26]  * penguin42 gulps
[20:26] <penguin42> Azelphur: Oh that's where those bungling ones that got the wrong guy were booked....
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: just don't forget to buy him milk.
[20:26] <Azelphur> penguin42: probably ;)
[20:45] <John______> Hi, I just noticed that 12.04.2 is available now to upgrade. Is there anyway I can upgrade from 12.04 using the terminal or the software updater, dont want to upgrade to 12.10 though
[20:46] <John______> I dont have enough confidence to upgrade using by using the dvd
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> if you have 12.04 and install all the updates, you should get 12.04.2 automatically
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> The upgrade to 12.10 should not be showing up in your update manager screen, unless you explicitly enabled it
[20:47] <John______> how do I find out if I have updated
[20:47] <penguin42> Although the new hardware enablement gets a bit different; a fresh 12.04.2 install gets different kernel/x than an install from 12.04.1 and upgrade
[20:48] <popey> as MartijnVdS says, if you installed 12.04 and updated it, congratulations, you're on 12.04.2
[20:48] <John______> ok thanks
[20:50] <penguin42> it'll be interesting to see how the hardware enablement stuff works out
[22:17] <Azelphur> popey: don't suppose you happen to have any Valve employees you can poke regarding steam for Linux bugs?
[22:17] <Azelphur> I have a pretty bad one here
[22:18] <popey> have you filed the bug on github?
[22:18] <Azelphur> someone else already did, 2 months old doesn't seem to getting much luck
[22:19] <Azelphur> it basically surmounts to "voice chat doesn't work on a large percentage of TF2 servers"
[22:19] <Azelphur> (any of them that opt out of steam voice = no mic input for Linux users at all)
[22:20] <Azelphur> which is quite a lot of servers, because steam voice breaks a lot of things xD
[22:20] <Azelphur> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/261
[22:22] <Azelphur> thought perhaps you might be able to prod someone on it, being unable to use mic on TF2 for Linux seems like a bad bug :(
[22:26] <popey> not really, they internally manage that list
[22:27] <Azelphur> aww :p
[23:22] <penguin42> Does 12.04.2 have the llvm gl set, or only the rest of the quantal X stack?