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smartboyhw!testers | new images 20130213 has arrived01:56
smartboyhw!testers01:56
smartboyhwHmm........01:57
smartboyhw!tester01:57
smartboyhwlen-1304, ping02:52
smartboyhwWhat the...How come at the ISO QA Tracker Ubuntu Studio Test pages there is only one bug to look for and it's Bug 1?03:09
smartboyhwBug 103:09
smartboyhwClearly ubottu went haywire03:10
* smartboyhw yawns03:20
len-1304smartboyhw, there should be two bugs to look for I think.03:26
smartboyhwlen-1304, oh?03:26
smartboyhwI reported our old bug which we fixed in Raring (that -icon-theme)03:27
smartboyhwGuys, I set up the release notes of 12.04.2 to go out at 14:00 UTC (around that time anyway) on ubuntustudio.org03:57
smartboyhwzequence, any chance for you to test 12.04.2 i386 images?06:58
zequencesmartboyhw: Maybe. cjwatson was asking about where we publish our release notes. What's the link again?07:02
smartboyhwzequence, I got it now in ubuntustudio.org07:02
zequencesmartboyhw: Yes, but the wiki link07:02
smartboyhwzequence, well either http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/ or wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio07:02
smartboyhwzequence, I set that post to be public 7 hours later07:02
smartboyhwI mean in the website07:03
* smartboyhw is zsyncing the i386 image07:03
smartboyhwamd64 works fine, except the Xubuntu logo is still on (LOL)07:03
zequenceWhere is the logo? In ubiquity?07:04
smartboyhwzequence, yep07:05
smartboyhwzequence, we didn't backport it to Precise07:05
smartboyhwAnd as len-1304 and micahg said: It would require a complete rewrite of quite a number of packages07:06
smartboyhwIt's not critical anyway07:06
zequencecjwatson: there's the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio, and then we're publishing on our website  http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/ (not published yet). smartboyhw is actually doing this work for us atm07:09
zequenceAh, sorry :)07:09
smartboyhwzequence, LOL wrong channel:P07:09
smartboyhwzequence, PING07:37
smartboyhwzequence, is Ubuntu Studio Precise 12.04.2 i386 still using a lowlatency-pae kernel?07:38
smartboyhwzequence, I have tested all the images and they passed. If scott-work doesn't show up before release time, it would be your decision to make the release happen07:41
smartboyhwThe images are ready07:41
zequencesmartboyhw: Ok, I'll do the test then09:34
smartboyhwzequence, what test!?09:34
zequencesmartboyhw: Oh, sorry. I misread. Thought you still needed to have i386 tested09:35
smartboyhwzequence, LOL. Just that lowlatency-pae question needs answering.09:35
smartboyhwzequence, does 12.04.2 i386 still uses lowlatency-pae?09:36
zequencesmartboyhw: I've actually never bothered to look which is installed by default. As a matter of fact, Ubuntu Studio 32 bits seems to install both -generic and -lowlatency-pae by default09:39
zequenceLet me have a look09:40
smartboyhwzequence, :O09:40
zequenceThis is something we need to fix of course09:42
smartboyhwzequence, I think only -lowlatency-pae09:43
smartboyhwhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/precise/dvd/current/precise-dvd-i386.manifest09:43
* smartboyhw goes and changes release notes before it's too late09:43
zequencesmartboyhw: So, that shows we ship -lowlatency-pae, but it's not showing the problem with -generic, which I need to look at further09:45
smartboyhwzequence, good09:45
zequenceAnyway, pae it is09:45
smartboyhwzequence, I don't think we have that problem anymore09:47
smartboyhwI looked at both raring and precise daily's manifests, and they don't include any linux-generic09:47
zequencesmartboyhw: Yet, generic is installed with Ubuntu Studio10:14
smartboyhwzequence, eeh?!10:14
zequenceI'll have a closer look at this later. 10:14
zequenceI had to remove -generic from all the test installs I've done, which I set up for test the lowlatency kernel10:15
zequenceI don't usually dabble with testing ISOs, and I don't have a deep understanding of the whole process of how the ISO is made and installed. At some point, generic is installed10:16
smartboyhwzequence, I think it's the recommends or that sort of thing10:16
zequencesmartboyhw: If you want to find out why, be my guest. We should change it for raring10:17
smartboyhwzequence, I want to. But make it tomorrow. I'm busy doing tests:P10:17
zequenceSure. I'm preparing to do raring kernel testing myself, and will want to try make it perform better10:18
zequenceJust realized I have a small firewire 400 connector on my laptop. Should be possible to run my focusrite on that :P10:37
zequenceTexas Instruments, even10:37
smartboyhwzequence, :!10:38
astraljavasmartboyhw: You should quit smoking. It's bad for you. *groan* On another note, were you intending to debug the precise kernel issue in time for .2? When is it due?11:06
smartboyhwastraljava, what!?11:13
smartboyhwzequence, is astraljava's IRC account hacked or what!?11:16
smartboyhwDoes anyone know what astraljava is saying!?11:17
zequencesmartboyhw: I think he was referring to :!, on the first two sentences (at least I think so), and on the other, he was probably referring to the issue with generic being installed on Studio11:22
zequenceastraljava: The kernel issue will have to wait, but I do agree, smartboyhw should definately quit smoking!11:22
smartboyhwzequence, astraljava: 1. I mean I am surprised , not smoking11:22
smartboyhwNext time: !:O11:23
smartboyhwastraljava, zequence 2. 12.04.2 is releasing TODAY and it's zequence who's the kernel lead:P11:23
smartboyhwYou all mistaken me:(11:23
smartboyhwzequence, astraljava I want an official apology:(11:24
smartboyhwzequence, time for a new linux-lowlatency in precis11:25
smartboyhw*precise11:25
zequencesmartboyhw: I've already updated, yesterday11:28
smartboyhwzequence, good. Let me wait for it11:28
smartboyhwzequence, why does it show "In Progree" for Bug 1124517?:P11:29
ubottubug 1124517 in Kernel SRU Workflow upload-to-ppa "linux-lowlatency: 3.2.0-38.39 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112451711:29
smartboyhwFor prepare-package11:29
smartboyhwHmm11:29
zequencesmartboyhw: A lot of those things are done automatically, by a bot11:29
zequenceI don't have access to the information around that, so I don't know all the details11:30
zequenceThe procedure for doing the bug is not yet finished11:30
zequenceI only got my gpg key signed recently, so that makes me now a trusted source11:30
smartboyhwOh11:32
zequenceNext I will start doing more on the packaging bit. As of yet, I only update my own git tree. apw pulls from it.11:32
zequenceI'm also editing the bug report manually, but again, the procedure is not finished yet, so it changes from time to time11:34
astraljavasmartboyhw: Well, if you're offended by the remarks of your typos, then I'll humbly apologize. And yes, I was referring to the -generic issue.11:34
astraljavas/typos/smileys/11:34
kubotuastraljava meant: "smartboyhw: Well, if you're offended by the remarks of your smileys, then I'll humbly apologize. And yes, I was referring to the -generic issue."11:34
astraljavaSorry, my brain is not functioning today.11:35
smartboyhwWow kubotu is still here!11:36
smartboyhwastraljava, um no:P11:37
smartboyhwastraljava, make it for 12.04.311:37
astraljavaOh ok.11:38
astraljavaThen I can do it, too, assuming it's fairly far into the future.11:38
smartboyhwastraljava, yep11:39
smartboyhwastraljava, you are one of the kernel guys11:44
smartboyhwI'm not:P11:44
zequenceThis is not really related to the kernel itself, but the ISO11:44
smartboyhwzequence, the seeds11:45
zequencesmartboyhw: the kernels don't show in seeds. As I haven't been working with that much, I don't know how some of the stuff not showing up in seeds are included11:47
smartboyhwzequence, the recommends/11:47
smartboyhwProbably11:47
zequencesmartboyhw: What recommends?11:48
smartboyhwzequence, some packages may recommend installing other packages11:49
* smartboyhw -> dinner11:50
* smartboyhw hopes scott-work will turn up today12:57
* smartboyhw waits for scott-work to get to work, as in his email14:19
zequencesmartboyhw: Basically, you're wanting to ask him if it's ok to publish the iso?14:21
smartboyhwzequence, yep. If scott-work doesn't appear in 1-2 hours, zequence you would have to do it14:21
smartboyhwIf not, problem14:21
zequenceI'll be away for a little while. bb in about half an hour14:23
smartboyhwzequence, no worries14:23
len-1304There you go smartboyhw 14:29
smartboyhwlen-1304, yay14:29
smartboyhwscott-work, yay!!!!!14:29
smartboyhwOK the images are now marked ready!!!!!!15:01
smartboyhwscott-work, zequence do you guys want ~ubuntustudio-core to be setup to have privileges to mark releases ready?15:04
smartboyhwThat makes sense eh?15:05
zequencescott-work: What do you think? That would let anyone of us do it manually. No need to do it by IRC15:09
zequenceKubuntu is apparently doing it this way15:09
smartboyhwzequence, they are planning to:P It would make sense for you guys to do it15:09
smartboyhwscott-work, ^15:12
zequencesmartboyhw: I think poking him once is enough ;). 15:18
smartboyhwzequence, ;)15:18
smartboyhwzequence, when you guys made the decision to do so tell stgraber on #ubuntu-release15:19
zequenceedubuntu apparently has a ~edubuntu-release team, but I wonder if we really need another team :P15:21
smartboyhwzequence, just use ubuntustudio-core15:24
smartboyhwSee ya all15:45
smartboyhwjussi or holstein: Please help change channel topics on both #ubuntustudio and #ubuntustudio-devel15:54
holsteinsmartboyhw: i can.. whats up?15:54
smartboyhwholstein: In user channel add Ubuntu Studio 12.04.2 LTS released and point to the release notes on ubuntustudio.org15:57
holsteindo we do that?15:59
holsteinshoule i add it on?15:59
holsteinshould*15:59
holsteinscott-work: what do you think?15:59
smartboyhwI think we should. But at least: Remove the testing bits on the topic here16:00
smartboyhwholstein:^16:01
smartboyhwscott-work: Don't forget to send out an announcement after the images get loaded into cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases16:02
scott-workholstein: if you think it's a good idea, then i'd say do it :)16:09
scott-workzequence: i think using hte -core team for releases is good16:09
smartboyhwscott-work :-D16:10
smartboyhwscott-work, zequence so tell stgraber if you guys want control of marking releases ready16:35
scott-worksmartboyhw: do you have a link to the 12.04.02 release notes on ubuntustudio.org? if so i'll see if i can change the topic now16:40
smartboyhwscott-work http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/16:41
=== scott-work changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: [Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS is released: http://goo.gl/FEAxP | Ubuntu Studio 12.10 is released http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/release/ | Ubuntu Studio 12.04.2 is released http://goo.gl/29QaS
scott-worksmartboyhw: is that okay with you? let me know if you want a change16:43
smartboyhwscott-work… two 12.04 in the topic??16:43
scott-workoops, my bad. trying to do too many things as once16:44
smartboyhwno worries16:45
=== scott-work changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: [Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | Ubuntu Studio 12.04.02 LTS is released: ISO- http://goo.gl/FEAxP Notes-http://goo.gl/29QaS | Ubuntu Studio 12.10 is released http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/release/
smartboyhwThanks scott-wok16:48
smartboyhw*scott-work16:48
scott-workof course this is presuming that the link for the ISO will be correct when the image is pushed ;)16:48
smartboyhwlol16:48
holsteinscott-work: cheers16:50
holsteinlets go with that, and see what needs to be changed16:50
smartboyhwcheers16:50
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zequencescott-work: I passed on the request to have the LP team handle accepting a release ready18:23
zequencescott-work: So, is there anything else that you think we should add to the Mission Statement, as far as ideas go?18:23
zequenceI think I'd like to go ahead and start drafting some concrete text for it. I'm thinking a short version, and a long version, where the long version can be a bit more thorough and informative, while the short version is just very clear about what Ubuntu Studio is about18:24
scott-workzequence: i think drafting something is good. i was also going to suggest we ask for some input from others as well18:46
zequencescott-work: yeah, I guess it would be good. Post on the devel list?19:06
zequenceOr, even a less formal discussion on user, to see what our users think?19:07
scott-workhmmmm, we might start with -dev and then once it's a little more solidified we can ask on -users? bah, i'm good whichever way we do it19:10
zequencescott-work: On LAU there was just a discussion on what sucks and what rules about Linux audio. Ubuntu Studio is not only audio, which many people will easily forget, but that is probably a good resource for info19:15
zequenceI think we could have a similar discussion on the topic of Ubuntu Studio19:18
zequenceI guess we could throw out the question on all our channels and mail lists19:18
zequenceThough, I feel we already know what people will say. What kind of opinsions there will be19:19
zequenceAnother way would be: we make a draft of something, and publish it. Ask for feedback. Then do changes19:21
zequencescott-work: I was just notified about ~ubuntustudio-core getting the privileges to change more stuff over at iso.qa.ubuntu.com, so we can accept the releases ourselves19:30
zequencescott-work: You need to logout and in again to see the difference19:30
zequenceWe can mark them for rebuild, testing, done or even remove as it seems19:32
zequencettoine: How did the interview go?19:33
scott-workzequence: good idea about discussion of ubuntu studio. really good idea19:35
scott-workzequence: oh, and that is super sweet about the -core team and release :)19:35
scott-workttoine_: hello!19:36
ttoine_hello !19:38
ttoine_?19:39
zequencettoine_: Seems like you just quit. We're dying to hear the results about the interview :)19:40
ttoine_zequence, i am here21:15
ttoine_yes, the interview was very interesting21:15
ttoine_stephane is a nice guy21:15
ttoine_mr21:15
ttoine_more a scientiest than a geek, actually21:15
zequencettoine_: Sounds interesting21:16
zequenceSteam is having a Linux sale. Steam appeared in Ubuntu's software Center today21:17
zequenceStill weird using it21:17
ttoine_yep21:20
ttoine_zequence, so official release for ubuntu ?21:20
ttoine_I will have to write the interview in french21:20
ttoine_then, translate it in english21:20
ttoine_and then, ask scott-work for proof read21:21
zequencettoine_: Yeah. The fun part of it is, I'm using the free drivers playing the games. I've only tried one so far. 21:22
zequenceThe free drivers don't perform as well, AFAIK, but they seem to have more or less full functionality21:22
zequenceBoth AMD and NVIDIA21:22
zequenceThis is on Raring, so probably a bit more up to date than Precise on that21:23
ttoine_zequence, I guess21:25
ttoine_there is PPA with the latest free drivers21:26
ttoine_and x-edgers, too21:26
ttoine_yes, steam in in 12.04 too21:27
zequenceI'm getting a bit more cumfy with maintaining -lowlatency, so I will soon put up a PPA for testing kernels21:28
zequenceThere are a bunch of configs that are interesting to find out more about21:29
ttoine_great21:29
ttoine_zequence, monday, I begin my new job...21:29
ttoine_a dream job21:29
zequencettoine_: :)21:29
ttoine_for some weeks, I will only have internet at work21:29
ttoine_I will live in an old mountain house a friend of my mother let me use21:30
ttoine_but no internet available21:30
zequencettoine_: Send us postcards (jk)21:37
zequenceJust tried CS Source. 1080p, on a NVIDIA 210. It doesn't work well on proprietary drivers either, but a bit worse on the free ones. Still, pretty impressive. All, until the game just crashed suddenly :(21:38
ttoine_too bad21:47
ttoine_but it is quite cool to have an official port !21:47
ttoine_well, time to sleep21:48
zequencettoine_: GN21:48
ttoine_good st valentin everyone21:48
ttoine_I mean, if you are not single, of course21:48

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