[01:56] <smartboyhw> !testers | new images 20130213 has arrived
[01:56] <smartboyhw> !testers
[01:57] <smartboyhw> Hmm........
[01:57] <smartboyhw> !tester
[02:52] <smartboyhw> len-1304, ping
[03:09] <smartboyhw> What the...How come at the ISO QA Tracker Ubuntu Studio Test pages there is only one bug to look for and it's Bug 1?
[03:09] <smartboyhw> Bug 1
[03:10] <smartboyhw> Clearly ubottu went haywire
[03:20]  * smartboyhw yawns
[03:26] <len-1304> smartboyhw, there should be two bugs to look for I think.
[03:26] <smartboyhw> len-1304, oh?
[03:27] <smartboyhw> I reported our old bug which we fixed in Raring (that -icon-theme)
[03:57] <smartboyhw> Guys, I set up the release notes of 12.04.2 to go out at 14:00 UTC (around that time anyway) on ubuntustudio.org
[06:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, any chance for you to test 12.04.2 i386 images?
[07:02] <zequence> smartboyhw: Maybe. cjwatson was asking about where we publish our release notes. What's the link again?
[07:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, I got it now in ubuntustudio.org
[07:02] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, but the wiki link
[07:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, well either http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/ or wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[07:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, I set that post to be public 7 hours later
[07:03] <smartboyhw> I mean in the website
[07:03]  * smartboyhw is zsyncing the i386 image
[07:03] <smartboyhw> amd64 works fine, except the Xubuntu logo is still on (LOL)
[07:04] <zequence> Where is the logo? In ubiquity?
[07:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep
[07:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, we didn't backport it to Precise
[07:06] <smartboyhw> And as len-1304 and micahg said: It would require a complete rewrite of quite a number of packages
[07:06] <smartboyhw> It's not critical anyway
[07:09] <zequence> cjwatson: there's the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio, and then we're publishing on our website  http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/ (not published yet). smartboyhw is actually doing this work for us atm
[07:09] <zequence> Ah, sorry :)
[07:09] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL wrong channel:P
[07:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, PING
[07:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, is Ubuntu Studio Precise 12.04.2 i386 still using a lowlatency-pae kernel?
[07:41] <smartboyhw> zequence, I have tested all the images and they passed. If scott-work doesn't show up before release time, it would be your decision to make the release happen
[07:41] <smartboyhw> The images are ready
[09:34] <zequence> smartboyhw: Ok, I'll do the test then
[09:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, what test!?
[09:35] <zequence> smartboyhw: Oh, sorry. I misread. Thought you still needed to have i386 tested
[09:35] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL. Just that lowlatency-pae question needs answering.
[09:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, does 12.04.2 i386 still uses lowlatency-pae?
[09:39] <zequence> smartboyhw: I've actually never bothered to look which is installed by default. As a matter of fact, Ubuntu Studio 32 bits seems to install both -generic and -lowlatency-pae by default
[09:40] <zequence> Let me have a look
[09:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, :O
[09:42] <zequence> This is something we need to fix of course
[09:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think only -lowlatency-pae
[09:43] <smartboyhw> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/precise/dvd/current/precise-dvd-i386.manifest
[09:43]  * smartboyhw goes and changes release notes before it's too late
[09:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: So, that shows we ship -lowlatency-pae, but it's not showing the problem with -generic, which I need to look at further
[09:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, good
[09:45] <zequence> Anyway, pae it is
[09:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, I don't think we have that problem anymore
[09:47] <smartboyhw> I looked at both raring and precise daily's manifests, and they don't include any linux-generic
[10:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yet, generic is installed with Ubuntu Studio
[10:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, eeh?!
[10:14] <zequence> I'll have a closer look at this later. 
[10:15] <zequence> I had to remove -generic from all the test installs I've done, which I set up for test the lowlatency kernel
[10:16] <zequence> I don't usually dabble with testing ISOs, and I don't have a deep understanding of the whole process of how the ISO is made and installed. At some point, generic is installed
[10:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think it's the recommends or that sort of thing
[10:17] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you want to find out why, be my guest. We should change it for raring
[10:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, I want to. But make it tomorrow. I'm busy doing tests:P
[10:18] <zequence> Sure. I'm preparing to do raring kernel testing myself, and will want to try make it perform better
[10:37] <zequence> Just realized I have a small firewire 400 connector on my laptop. Should be possible to run my focusrite on that :P
[10:37] <zequence> Texas Instruments, even
[10:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, :!
[11:06] <astraljava> smartboyhw: You should quit smoking. It's bad for you. *groan* On another note, were you intending to debug the precise kernel issue in time for .2? When is it due?
[11:13] <smartboyhw> astraljava, what!?
[11:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, is astraljava's IRC account hacked or what!?
[11:17] <smartboyhw> Does anyone know what astraljava is saying!?
[11:22] <zequence> smartboyhw: I think he was referring to :!, on the first two sentences (at least I think so), and on the other, he was probably referring to the issue with generic being installed on Studio
[11:22] <zequence> astraljava: The kernel issue will have to wait, but I do agree, smartboyhw should definately quit smoking!
[11:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, astraljava: 1. I mean I am surprised , not smoking
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Next time: !:O
[11:23] <smartboyhw> astraljava, zequence 2. 12.04.2 is releasing TODAY and it's zequence who's the kernel lead:P
[11:23] <smartboyhw> You all mistaken me:(
[11:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, astraljava I want an official apology:(
[11:25] <smartboyhw> zequence, time for a new linux-lowlatency in precis
[11:25] <smartboyhw> *precise
[11:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: I've already updated, yesterday
[11:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, good. Let me wait for it
[11:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, why does it show "In Progree" for Bug 1124517?:P
[11:29] <smartboyhw> For prepare-package
[11:29] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[11:29] <zequence> smartboyhw: A lot of those things are done automatically, by a bot
[11:30] <zequence> I don't have access to the information around that, so I don't know all the details
[11:30] <zequence> The procedure for doing the bug is not yet finished
[11:30] <zequence> I only got my gpg key signed recently, so that makes me now a trusted source
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Oh
[11:32] <zequence> Next I will start doing more on the packaging bit. As of yet, I only update my own git tree. apw pulls from it.
[11:34] <zequence> I'm also editing the bug report manually, but again, the procedure is not finished yet, so it changes from time to time
[11:34] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Well, if you're offended by the remarks of your typos, then I'll humbly apologize. And yes, I was referring to the -generic issue.
[11:34] <astraljava> s/typos/smileys/
[11:34] <kubotu> astraljava meant: "smartboyhw: Well, if you're offended by the remarks of your smileys, then I'll humbly apologize. And yes, I was referring to the -generic issue."
[11:35] <astraljava> Sorry, my brain is not functioning today.
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Wow kubotu is still here!
[11:37] <smartboyhw> astraljava, um no:P
[11:37] <smartboyhw> astraljava, make it for 12.04.3
[11:38] <astraljava> Oh ok.
[11:38] <astraljava> Then I can do it, too, assuming it's fairly far into the future.
[11:39] <smartboyhw> astraljava, yep
[11:44] <smartboyhw> astraljava, you are one of the kernel guys
[11:44] <smartboyhw> I'm not:P
[11:44] <zequence> This is not really related to the kernel itself, but the ISO
[11:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, the seeds
[11:47] <zequence> smartboyhw: the kernels don't show in seeds. As I haven't been working with that much, I don't know how some of the stuff not showing up in seeds are included
[11:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, the recommends/
[11:47] <smartboyhw> Probably
[11:48] <zequence> smartboyhw: What recommends?
[11:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, some packages may recommend installing other packages
[11:50]  * smartboyhw -> dinner
[12:57]  * smartboyhw hopes scott-work will turn up today
[14:19]  * smartboyhw waits for scott-work to get to work, as in his email
[14:21] <zequence> smartboyhw: Basically, you're wanting to ask him if it's ok to publish the iso?
[14:21] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep. If scott-work doesn't appear in 1-2 hours, zequence you would have to do it
[14:21] <smartboyhw> If not, problem
[14:23] <zequence> I'll be away for a little while. bb in about half an hour
[14:23] <smartboyhw> zequence, no worries
[14:29] <len-1304> There you go smartboyhw 
[14:29] <smartboyhw> len-1304, yay
[14:29] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yay!!!!!
[15:01] <smartboyhw> OK the images are now marked ready!!!!!!
[15:04] <smartboyhw> scott-work, zequence do you guys want ~ubuntustudio-core to be setup to have privileges to mark releases ready?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> That makes sense eh?
[15:09] <zequence> scott-work: What do you think? That would let anyone of us do it manually. No need to do it by IRC
[15:09] <zequence> Kubuntu is apparently doing it this way
[15:09] <smartboyhw> zequence, they are planning to:P It would make sense for you guys to do it
[15:12] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ^
[15:18] <zequence> smartboyhw: I think poking him once is enough ;). 
[15:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, ;)
[15:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, when you guys made the decision to do so tell stgraber on #ubuntu-release
[15:21] <zequence> edubuntu apparently has a ~edubuntu-release team, but I wonder if we really need another team :P
[15:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, just use ubuntustudio-core
[15:45] <smartboyhw> See ya all
[15:54] <smartboyhw> jussi or holstein: Please help change channel topics on both #ubuntustudio and #ubuntustudio-devel
[15:54] <holstein> smartboyhw: i can.. whats up?
[15:57] <smartboyhw> holstein: In user channel add Ubuntu Studio 12.04.2 LTS released and point to the release notes on ubuntustudio.org
[15:59] <holstein> do we do that?
[15:59] <holstein> shoule i add it on?
[15:59] <holstein> should*
[15:59] <holstein> scott-work: what do you think?
[16:00] <smartboyhw> I think we should. But at least: Remove the testing bits on the topic here
[16:01] <smartboyhw> holstein:^
[16:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work: Don't forget to send out an announcement after the images get loaded into cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases
[16:09] <scott-work> holstein: if you think it's a good idea, then i'd say do it :)
[16:09] <scott-work> zequence: i think using hte -core team for releases is good
[16:10] <smartboyhw> scott-work :-D
[16:35] <smartboyhw> scott-work, zequence so tell stgraber if you guys want control of marking releases ready
[16:40] <scott-work> smartboyhw: do you have a link to the 12.04.02 release notes on ubuntustudio.org? if so i'll see if i can change the topic now
[16:41] <smartboyhw> scott-work http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/02/ubuntu-studio-12-04-2-lts-precise-pangolin-release-notes/
[16:43] <scott-work> smartboyhw: is that okay with you? let me know if you want a change
[16:43] <smartboyhw> scott-work… two 12.04 in the topic??
[16:44] <scott-work> oops, my bad. trying to do too many things as once
[16:45] <smartboyhw> no worries
[16:48] <smartboyhw> Thanks scott-wok
[16:48] <smartboyhw> *scott-work
[16:48] <scott-work> of course this is presuming that the link for the ISO will be correct when the image is pushed ;)
[16:48] <smartboyhw> lol
[16:50] <holstein> scott-work: cheers
[16:50] <holstein> lets go with that, and see what needs to be changed
[16:50] <smartboyhw> cheers
[18:23] <zequence> scott-work: I passed on the request to have the LP team handle accepting a release ready
[18:23] <zequence> scott-work: So, is there anything else that you think we should add to the Mission Statement, as far as ideas go?
[18:24] <zequence> I think I'd like to go ahead and start drafting some concrete text for it. I'm thinking a short version, and a long version, where the long version can be a bit more thorough and informative, while the short version is just very clear about what Ubuntu Studio is about
[18:46] <scott-work> zequence: i think drafting something is good. i was also going to suggest we ask for some input from others as well
[19:06] <zequence> scott-work: yeah, I guess it would be good. Post on the devel list?
[19:07] <zequence> Or, even a less formal discussion on user, to see what our users think?
[19:10] <scott-work> hmmmm, we might start with -dev and then once it's a little more solidified we can ask on -users? bah, i'm good whichever way we do it
[19:15] <zequence> scott-work: On LAU there was just a discussion on what sucks and what rules about Linux audio. Ubuntu Studio is not only audio, which many people will easily forget, but that is probably a good resource for info
[19:18] <zequence> I think we could have a similar discussion on the topic of Ubuntu Studio
[19:18] <zequence> I guess we could throw out the question on all our channels and mail lists
[19:19] <zequence> Though, I feel we already know what people will say. What kind of opinsions there will be
[19:21] <zequence> Another way would be: we make a draft of something, and publish it. Ask for feedback. Then do changes
[19:30] <zequence> scott-work: I was just notified about ~ubuntustudio-core getting the privileges to change more stuff over at iso.qa.ubuntu.com, so we can accept the releases ourselves
[19:30] <zequence> scott-work: You need to logout and in again to see the difference
[19:32] <zequence> We can mark them for rebuild, testing, done or even remove as it seems
[19:33] <zequence> ttoine: How did the interview go?
[19:35] <scott-work> zequence: good idea about discussion of ubuntu studio. really good idea
[19:35] <scott-work> zequence: oh, and that is super sweet about the -core team and release :)
[19:36] <scott-work> ttoine_: hello!
[19:38] <ttoine_> hello !
[19:39] <ttoine_> ?
[19:40] <zequence> ttoine_: Seems like you just quit. We're dying to hear the results about the interview :)
[21:15] <ttoine_> zequence, i am here
[21:15] <ttoine_> yes, the interview was very interesting
[21:15] <ttoine_> stephane is a nice guy
[21:15] <ttoine_> mr
[21:15] <ttoine_> more a scientiest than a geek, actually
[21:16] <zequence> ttoine_: Sounds interesting
[21:17] <zequence> Steam is having a Linux sale. Steam appeared in Ubuntu's software Center today
[21:17] <zequence> Still weird using it
[21:20] <ttoine_> yep
[21:20] <ttoine_> zequence, so official release for ubuntu ?
[21:20] <ttoine_> I will have to write the interview in french
[21:20] <ttoine_> then, translate it in english
[21:21] <ttoine_> and then, ask scott-work for proof read
[21:22] <zequence> ttoine_: Yeah. The fun part of it is, I'm using the free drivers playing the games. I've only tried one so far. 
[21:22] <zequence> The free drivers don't perform as well, AFAIK, but they seem to have more or less full functionality
[21:22] <zequence> Both AMD and NVIDIA
[21:23] <zequence> This is on Raring, so probably a bit more up to date than Precise on that
[21:25] <ttoine_> zequence, I guess
[21:26] <ttoine_> there is PPA with the latest free drivers
[21:26] <ttoine_> and x-edgers, too
[21:27] <ttoine_> yes, steam in in 12.04 too
[21:28] <zequence> I'm getting a bit more cumfy with maintaining -lowlatency, so I will soon put up a PPA for testing kernels
[21:29] <zequence> There are a bunch of configs that are interesting to find out more about
[21:29] <ttoine_> great
[21:29] <ttoine_> zequence, monday, I begin my new job...
[21:29] <ttoine_> a dream job
[21:29] <zequence> ttoine_: :)
[21:29] <ttoine_> for some weeks, I will only have internet at work
[21:30] <ttoine_> I will live in an old mountain house a friend of my mother let me use
[21:30] <ttoine_> but no internet available
[21:37] <zequence> ttoine_: Send us postcards (jk)
[21:38] <zequence> Just tried CS Source. 1080p, on a NVIDIA 210. It doesn't work well on proprietary drivers either, but a bit worse on the free ones. Still, pretty impressive. All, until the game just crashed suddenly :(
[21:47] <ttoine_> too bad
[21:47] <ttoine_> but it is quite cool to have an official port !
[21:48] <ttoine_> well, time to sleep
[21:48] <zequence> ttoine_: GN
[21:48] <ttoine_> good st valentin everyone
[21:48] <ttoine_> I mean, if you are not single, of course