[00:00] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1052076] Widgets stop responding when enabling gestures on (evdev) multitouch device @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1052076 (by Cédric Dufour)
[00:01] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am not sure what you mean by components
[00:01] <yofel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[00:02] <phoenix_firebrd> ah, that one
[00:03] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: in that case, when i requested you to sponsor , why did you ask me where to put?
[00:04] <yofel> did I? I think I just told you that I can't sponsor that
[00:04] <yofel> and that you should file a sponsorship request instead
[00:05] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am going to file a sponsor request , can you guide me? 
[00:06] <yofel> there's 2 ways as described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess - usually I would go the classic way
[00:07] <yofel> though it seems like things changed a bit since I last filed one o.O
[00:07] <yofel> ah no, I'm thinking about merges, nevermind
[00:08] <yofel> great, thanks to the packaging guide rewrite there's dead links all over the place -.-
[00:09] <phoenix_firebrd> :)
[00:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: procedure seems, little bit tedious, i will  do it later
[00:14] <yofel> really? It's filing a bug, adding some information, uploading a few files and subscribing ubuntu-sponsors
[00:14] <yofel> hm
[00:15] <yofel> reading the page again it doesn't even mention UDD o.O?
[00:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: you forgot the debdiff
[00:15] <yofel> that's running the debdiff command on the old and new dsc file
[00:16] <apachelogger> yofel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth2.mkv :P
[00:16] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/671864/
[00:17] <apachelogger> this would be 900% less fugly if I knew how one could prototype/class in that silly language
[00:17] <yofel> wow
[00:17] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, now that, I like.  Seems less "jerky" than the webm you posted earlier - are you just doing that one in white, or are you putting color into it too?
[00:18] <yofel> BarkingFish: it was planned to be white
[00:18] <BarkingFish> ah, ok
[00:18] <BarkingFish> still very nice though - the smooth glow, to me, makes that quite appealing.
[00:19] <yofel> apachelogger: so if I understand this right. You have 2 images and set the opacity of the fuzzy one depending on the passed time?
[00:19] <apachelogger> aye
[00:19] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: it will for all the 3 segments or just for one?
[00:19] <apachelogger> did I post the positioning code yet
[00:19] <apachelogger> because that is really just mad
[00:19] <yofel> that'll be fun to do for the full sequence...
[00:20] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/671870/
[00:20] <yofel> I think you posted an excerpt earlier
[00:20] <genii-around> apachelogger: Are each of the three segments supposed to glow in turn or just the one?
[00:20] <apachelogger> yofel: well, for full sequence itwill mostly be boilerplate init code as I don't know how to write a function to encapsulate the member init
[00:20] <apachelogger> i.e. the actual sequencing can be nicely abstracted via alist
[00:20] <yofel> hm, ok
[00:21] <yofel> ah ok
[00:21] <apachelogger> so you have [3] of glowup and [3] of glowdown, then iter
[00:21] <apachelogger> and process all animations that have running == 1
[00:21] <apachelogger> (well, technically you can have [] of each)...
[00:22] <yofel> anyway, this is starting to look nice :D
[00:23]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[00:24] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: good night
[00:24] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: where is the code?
[00:26] <apachelogger> on my disk
[00:33] <phoenix_firebrd> going to bed, good night everyone
[00:36] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth3.mkv
[00:39] <phoenix_firebrd> apachelogger: this is awesome
[00:40] <genii-around> That's pretty damn hypnotic!
[00:44] <genii-around> apachelogger: I hope it goes in soon, I like it.
[02:47] <apachelogger> well then
[02:48] <apachelogger> with intel I get a smoothy smooth transition from plymouth to lightdm
[02:48] <apachelogger> excatly how planned ... background stays the same, logo goes away, lightdm ui fades in
[02:48] <apachelogger> however I could not replicate that behavior with vbox nor nvidia
[02:49] <apachelogger> though with latter I have a resolution/signal change that gets in the way
[04:21] <ScottK> I'd call that a win.
[08:10] <jussi> good morning ladies and gentlemen
[08:11] <Tm_T> jussi: what about us creatures?
[08:12]  * Tm_T hides
[08:12] <jussi> good morning ladies and gentlemen (and other assorted creatures)
[08:12] <jussi> Tm_T: happy?
[08:19] <Tm_T> jussi ♥ 
[09:18] <afiestas> I added xorg-edgers ppa long ago, then decided to remove it, now when I try to install libgles-dev I get the following error
[09:19] <afiestas> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:19] <afiestas>  libgles2-mesa-dev : Depends: libgles2-mesa (= 9.0-0ubuntu1) but 9.1~git20130104.r1.b8b1d61e-0ubuntu0ricotz~quantal is to be installed
[09:19] <afiestas>                      Depends: libegl1-mesa-dev but it is not going to be installed
[09:19] <afiestas> anyway I can fix this?
[09:26] <Riddell> afiestas: probably the only way is to remove X and reinstall
[09:26] <Riddell> downgrades are not supported and with a cutting edge PPA like that you'll be downgrading
[09:27] <afiestas> that's what I'm doing then
[09:27] <Riddell> afiestas: as an alternative you could try an install of alpha 2 :)
[09:28] <afiestas> already have it in my laptop
[09:28] <afiestas> work station is for work :/
[09:29] <Riddell> afiestas: so you trust xorg-edgers but not kubuntu devs? :)
[09:29] <afiestas> I don't trust either of you, but I was forced to use xorg-edgers
[09:30] <afiestas> because of the wonderful 6month freeze :p
[09:30] <Riddell> aah
[09:30] <afiestas> additionally I have had many issues with Kubuntu alphas in the past... and this is my workstation ._.
[09:40] <Riddell> afiestas: did daily packages for your user tool get sorted?
[09:46] <agateau> Riddell: morning! Installing yesterday raring in a vm, it stops while downloading packages (which I didn't want it to download btw). Any way I can debug that?
[09:48] <afiestas> Riddell: I guess
[10:07] <Riddell> agateau: umm, hmm.  logs are in /var/log/syslog
[10:07] <Riddell> I think starting ubiquity --debug or similar will give you more logs
[10:07] <agateau> Riddell: I am doing the initial install
[10:08] <agateau> Riddell: guess I should go for "try kubuntu" and run ubiquity by hand
[10:08]  * agateau pulls the vm plug
[10:35] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1126052] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1126052 (by tuxmouraille)
[10:43] <agateau> Riddell: now it's stuck at "Saving installed packages" and debug output does not look useful :/
[10:44] <Riddell> agateau: more in /var/log/installer/
[10:45] <Riddell> but this is pretty surprising, we did loads of tests on it yesterday and nobody had any problems
[10:49] <agateau> Riddell: got stuck here: http://paste.kde.org/672170/
[10:49] <Riddell> umm, no immediate ideas
[10:50] <agateau> Riddell: I downloaded the iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ was this the right place to go?
[10:50] <Riddell> xnox: any thoughts? ⇈
[10:50] <Riddell> agateau: that'll be a daily build and I guess something could have broken in the last day
[10:50] <Riddell> the tested ones are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/alpha-2/
[10:51] <agateau> hu
[10:51] <agateau> was afraid of something like that
[10:51]  * agateau downloads alpha-2 iso
[10:51] <xnox> agateau: and you didn't modify the installer. so it's just the official image?!
[10:52] <agateau> xnox: yes
[10:52] <xnox> =(
[10:55] <sheytan> is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1052278 also affecting turned off backlight after wake up?
[10:55] <sheytan> i'm running dell xps 15z
[10:59] <Riddell> sheytan: I guess we don't know, you can comment on the bug to see if someone who knows about linux can confirm
[11:05] <shadeslayer> evening :)
[11:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, aloha
[11:11] <shadeslayer> \o
[11:16] <sheytan> shadeslayer: evening? What your time?
[11:16] <sheytan> :D
[11:16] <shadeslayer> UTC +5.30
[11:18] <Riddell> our CD music ripping experience is rubbish
[11:18] <Riddell> k3b hard to use and then it asks you to kill kio_audiocd
[11:23] <davmor2> Riddell: can you not do it from within Amarok?
[11:24] <Riddell> maybe I've not tried that
[11:25] <Riddell> but the user gets presented with k3b first
[11:25] <Riddell> twice infact
[11:25] <Riddell> I wonder what the difference between "extract digial music" and "copy CD" is
[11:25] <Riddell> ripping against burning another CD I guess
[11:25] <davmor2> Riddell: Can you not change the default for music cds to be Amarok then?
[11:26] <Riddell> I just tried Amarok, it doesn't seem to do anything when I chose it in new device popup
[11:26] <Riddell> yep, precisely nothing
[11:27] <davmor2> Riddell: that's pretty bad, the bulk of the other players do a really nice job of ripping music into your library
[11:28] <davmor2> Riddell: is there maybe a plugin for amarok that is missing that will make it awesome?
[11:29] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth3.mkv
[11:31] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you share the files?
[11:31] <sheytan> i would like to test this
[11:33] <apachelogger> nope
[11:33] <apachelogger> not home right now
[11:33] <sheytan_> maile me please
[11:34] <sheytan_> but it looks good
[11:35] <Riddell> davmor2: yes, it's installed and enabled but when I click on info it freezes amarok, doh
[11:35] <davmor2> Riddell: so it would be awesome if it worked then :)
[11:37] <Riddell> ooh there is works
[11:37] <Riddell> now why did it take two minutes just to load up the about dialogue
[11:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you wanna remove xrandr from seeds?
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Or did I get the package wrong?:P
[11:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it's part of the kde-workspace packages I thin
[11:41] <Riddell> so it needs separated into a new package (which will be unseeded)
[11:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, a new metapackage?
[11:42] <Riddell> no, a new actual package
[11:42] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/672212/  all this
[11:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah I got it
[11:43] <smartboyhw> Can't do this now anyway
[11:43]  * smartboyhw is upgrading to 13.04
[11:44] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm guessing here, it's not quite right?
[11:59] <Mirv> Riddell: hi. would your magic crystal ball have an idea on the powerpc build failure? mine doesn't yet at least. filed a bug in LP and upstream meanwhile.
[11:59] <Mirv> (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/131243410/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-powerpc.qtbase-opensource-src_5.0.1%2Bdfsg-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)
[12:00] <Mirv> bug #1125949
[12:01] <Mirv> or anyone else for that matter..
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hi alj
[12:11] <Mirv> the file in question in the first error is http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/stable/src/gui/painting/qpagedpaintdevice.h .
[12:11] <Mirv> hi BluesKaj 
[12:13] <BluesKaj> hi Mirv
[12:15] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[12:27] <agateau> apachelogger: love this bootsplash! at least we get rid of those stupid dots
[12:29] <BluesKaj> agateau, really. and the ugly grey colours as well ?
[12:29] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[12:30] <agateau> BluesKaj: have you seen apachelogger work?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> agateau, no I haven't
[12:30] <agateau> BluesKaj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth3.mkv
[12:32] <BluesKaj> I'd like to know who approved the existing boot splash ...were they colour blind with no sense of beauty ?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> hmm
[12:34]  * BluesKaj shakes his head ...nevermind
[12:35] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: well
[12:35] <Quintasan> Plymouth looks like utter shit here
[12:35] <Quintasan> but I blame the nvidia driver
[12:36] <Quintasan> since it looked decently with nouveau
[12:37] <BluesKaj> yeah, but the colour is what i don't understand 
[12:38] <murthy> Riddell: what was the device that you were trying to use with amarok?
[12:39] <BluesKaj>  blue was a basic kde colour .,..why not blue
[12:40] <murthy> apachelogger: ^
[12:42] <BluesKaj> it's not  a real big deal since it only lasts for some seconds 
[12:43] <sheytan> BluesKaj: ppl are tired of blue. 
[12:44] <sheytan> the screencast you see is just a demo of the logo glowing. With the full background it looks way better. Let me show you
[12:45] <murthy> sheytan: webm please
[12:45] <sheytan> murthy: got just an image
[12:45] <sheytan> http://imageshack.us/a/img546/3311/bg2test.png
[12:45] <sheytan> apachelogger: did all the demos ;)
[12:46] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[12:46] <shadeslayer> that does indeedly look awesome
[12:46] <murthy> BluesKaj: what happened to the outer circle glow?
[12:46] <sheytan> murthy: it's not added
[12:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: used logo without it
[12:48] <yofel_> BluesKaj: it was turned grey to match the default KDE 4.9 experience
[12:48] <yofel_> which... nobody really liked I guess
[12:48] <yofel_> good that they're back to a blue-ish background
[12:51] <Riddell> murthy: an audio CD
[12:53] <murthy> Riddell:  ok. i thought it was a mtp device, my nokia 5800  takes a long time to get detected
[12:54] <yofel> I know that we had some bug filed about audiocd-kio not working right, but that was months ago
[12:54] <Riddell> Mirv: hum, that's not some endian or linker issue I'd normally expect on powerpc but just a syntax error which is weird since it's perfectly good syntax
[12:54] <Riddell> Mirv: good news is we don't have to care about powerpc and I can just put in an override to ignore the issue
[12:56] <Riddell> agateau: how's the install?
[12:57] <agateau> Riddell: left my daily live run during lunch, it actually finished with some weird error. But the system boots, so I can work on Ubiquity with it
[12:57] <yofel> ah, that was bug 1073293
[12:57] <Riddell> yofel: you have a good memory for bugs!
[12:58] <yofel> well, thunderbird help to find the # :P
[12:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you on webkit today?
[12:58] <Mirv> Riddell: ok then
[12:58] <yofel> *helps
[13:02] <BluesKaj> However , i do like the default "Air and Elarun Splash Screen" on 13.04 , even tho plymouth is still plain vanilla
[13:04] <BluesKaj> oh btw sheytan,  do you speak for " people "? :)
[13:05] <sheytan> BluesKaj: yes. There's too much of blue everywhere
[13:05] <BluesKaj> too bad for you :)
[13:06] <yofel> actually no, there's too much grey everywhere
[13:06] <yofel> though it reached a tolerable level again
[13:07] <sheytan> to clarify, i;m not tired of blue that much, but i'm tired of color stuff everywhere. We need to go elegant and thank Nuno we have monochromatic icons in tray and plasma overlays etc
[13:07] <sheytan> to much colored stuff is not good too. It doesn't look professional then
[13:07] <murthy> yofel: you have a supporter 
[13:08] <yofel> sheytan: I guess you have good eyes then. Mine aren't that good even with glasses, and making everything grey reduces usability
[13:08] <yofel> as it makes me slower in keeping the icons apart 
[13:09] <BluesKaj> elegant is grey and mono colours ?... feels like a bait  for a debate 
[13:09] <sheytan> yofel: i didn't tell you that everything should be gray. Only some parts of the desktop
[13:09] <sheytan> BluesKaj: don't get me wrong
[13:09] <sheytan> not all should be
[13:09] <yofel> sure, we were talking about the plasma icons, right?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not today I'm afraid
[13:10] <sheytan> we were talking about desktop in general
[13:10] <sheytan> plasma tray icons was my example
[13:10] <yofel> sheytan: the desktop in general as it is right now is ok I believe
[13:10] <sheytan> yofel: that's it!
[13:10] <yofel> :)
[13:11] <sheytan> and the same, i was tired of having kde default wallpaper everywhere in kubuntu. Installer, login, splash, wallpaper, even that central box in each kde app has it as background
[13:11] <sheytan> that was making me sick somehow :D
[13:12] <BluesKaj> system tray icons aren't merant to be fancy , they're just utilitarian indicators anyway 
[13:12] <yofel> uhm, that's called consistency you know ^^
[13:12] <sheytan> that's why i'm trying to make kubuntu that way: a separate background for installer, login and splash and onther image for wallpaper. This will give us more elegant and simple look
[13:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: send me some other tile or whatever and I can make some more demos
[13:13] <shadeslayer> idk, having different backgrounds everywhere is inconsistent IMHO
[13:13] <sheytan> apachelogger: i will send you the logo with that circle around when i get home
[13:13] <sheytan> shadeslayer: not everywhere
[13:13] <sheytan> read what i wrote :)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I was just complainiung about the bootsplash /plymouth colours , not a debate about desktop or panel colours
[13:13] <sheytan> there's only two of them
[13:13] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ah, I read that as separate background for all the things
[13:13] <shadeslayer> mmmm .. idk
[13:13] <murthy> Riddell: what happened to cantata?
[13:14] <sheytan> BluesKaj: well, we want to make a smooth switch from plymouth to lightdm. That's why we're trying to create new to fit with ldm.
[13:15] <sheytan> but it's hard cause we don't know what ldm will look like in upstream
[13:15] <sheytan> nuno is planning to release a new theme for kde 4.11 and for this time, i guess, we need our own ldm theme too
[13:16] <murthy> sheytan: you mean the greeter ?
[13:16] <sheytan> murthy: yes
[13:16] <sheytan> the login screen
[13:16] <Riddell> murthy: it's still in New, I might get to it today
[13:16] <Riddell> or I might not, going over e-mails, 1451 to go
[13:17] <murthy> sheytan: but the default one is good and we need to kde the default kde stuff as much as possible
[13:17] <murthy> Riddell: can you give me the cantata changelog?
[13:18] <murthy> Riddell: I am going to file a bug report for a sponsor, i need it for reference
[13:18] <Riddell> murthy: you can get the package from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue
[13:18] <sheytan> murthy: it is, with some correction i already made. 
[13:19] <yofel> murthy: sponsor for cantata? that's already uploaded (or am I missing something)
[13:19] <murthy> yofel: ni, libdlna
[13:19] <apachelogger> sheytan: note that I need all 3 gear parts as separate images
[13:19] <yofel> ah
[13:20] <apachelogger> same for the glow
[13:20] <murthy> Riddell: the bug number is not mentioned in the changelog
[13:21] <sheytan> apachelogger: sure
[13:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: care to sponsor libechonest once it's done building?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> it's in here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages
[13:21] <apachelogger> still not home
[13:21] <apachelogger> sheytan: oh and I'll need to know the part's coordinates
[13:22] <sheytan> apachelogger: what do you mean?
[13:22] <Riddell> murthy: the new package bug?  that'll be a bug :)
[13:23] <apachelogger> i.e. in inkscape left part would be x=0; y=12 or something, top would be x=50; y=128, bottom would be x=50; y=12
[13:23] <murthy> Riddell: so it will get rejected?
[13:23] <apachelogger> sheytan: simply make an inscape doc the size of the parts without glow
[13:23] <apachelogger> then tell me x and y of the parts
[13:24] <murthy> apachelogger: is the locations hardcoded?
[13:24] <apachelogger> of course
[13:24] <sheytan> apachelogger: ok, i'll do it
[13:24] <apachelogger> well
[13:24] <apachelogger> the relativity is hardcoded
[13:25] <apachelogger> i.e. the space between left and top and bottom
[13:25] <murthy> apachelogger: the bg image is not svg?
[13:25] <apachelogger> and to get that we need to hardcode their relative x/y
[13:25] <apachelogger> murthy: plymouth does nto do svg
[13:25] <murthy> apachelogger: oh
[13:26] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you mail me the images you have when you get home?
[13:27] <murthy> apachelogger: is there any chance this will work with the nvidia's propitiatory driver? 
[13:30] <Riddell> murthy: no that's not grounds for rejection
[13:30] <murthy> Riddell: so its optional?
[13:37] <apachelogger> murthy: it will work with free software
[13:37] <yofel> murthy: it's useful to have a reference, but it's not strictly required
[13:37] <Riddell> murthy: it's nice to have but not a killer feature
[13:39] <murthy> ok
[13:39] <murthy> yofel: is your server on full load?
[13:39] <murthy> yofel: i am getting delayed sync
[13:39] <murthy> yofel: 3 min approx
[13:39] <yofel> o.O
[13:40] <yofel> it's not
[13:40] <yofel> murthy: you mean you have ~180s lag? It's ~1s here
[13:40] <murthy> yofel: not that one
[13:40] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kubuntu-logo.tar.xz
[13:40] <apachelogger> tile goes into images/tile.png
[13:40] <murthy> yofel:  i will check with my local client
[13:41] <yofel> murthy: what do you mean with delayed sync then?
[13:41] <murthy> yofel: i have a bust of comments after 7 mins
[13:42] <yofel> oh, that happened here too, considering that they don't all happen in the same second I believe we just typed at the same time
[13:43] <murthy> yofel: ok
[13:43] <yofel> would need to look at the channel log later to verify that
[13:43] <sheytan> apachelogger: thanks. i will be home in like 3-4h 
[13:46] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-plymouth3-transit.mp4
[13:50] <yofel> apachelogger: what's up with those dots that appear for a moment?
[13:50] <apachelogger> again
[13:50] <apachelogger> ...
[13:50] <apachelogger> perspective
[13:51] <sheytan> just wanted to ask the same question
[13:53] <sheytan> apachelogger: but, the light dm theme. Mine is improved a bit. maybe we put that one? :D
[13:54] <murthy> sheytan: using a new kdm theme will make us deter from our moto
[13:54] <murthy> sheytan: i mean the greeter theme
[13:55] <sheytan> murthy: it's almost the same. I just moved the buttons in the middle
[13:55] <murthy> sheytan: so you will merge that with the upstream?
[13:56] <sheytan> maybe
[13:56] <sheytan> murthy: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2013/01/motyw-lightdm-dla-kde-i-ksplash.html
[13:56] <sheytan> watch the screencast in 1080p
[13:57] <sheytan> btw, the splash screen i modified too. And it is simply cool
[13:58] <murthy> sheytan: this looks cool
[13:58] <murthy> sheytan: have to consulted with the policy makers?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> sheytan: oh
[14:01] <shadeslayer> sheytan: do you have a patch for the QML to display the dates at the top in lightdm?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> like in your blog
[14:06] <sheytan> shadeslayer: i don't and you don't need one. you just edit the main.qml file and add few lines to import the clock. Ofrouce you need in the source dir the clock.qml too. 
[14:06] <sheytan> i made even one with analog clock
[14:06] <sheytan> and now i'm trying to put the battery monitor to it :)
[14:06] <shadeslayer> sheytan: that's what I was asking ;)
[14:06] <shadeslayer> a patch for the QML file
[14:07] <shadeslayer> I am a QML noob
[14:07] <sheytan> shadeslayer: i will upload the theme later and look you to it
[14:07] <sheytan> me to :D
[14:07] <shadeslayer> and I don't particularly like it myself
[14:07] <sheytan> i made only changes while looking at the code and googling for apis etc ;D
[14:08] <shadeslayer> which is what I do
[14:09] <sheytan> and it works just fine ;)
[14:09] <sheytan> the clock is from QT examples page
[14:10] <sheytan> i just downloaded it and put into my theme ;)
[14:25] <phoenix_firebrd> bbl
[14:30] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:13] <Riddell> do left handed people really swap button order on their mouse? http://s9.postimage.org/6s4hbpqcv/snapshot2.png
[15:14] <BluesKaj> I do swap sometimes to give my right hand a rest , it's seems natural to do so
[15:16] <BluesKaj> I used work on lab instruments that use application software and one of the users was left handed , I got used to using the mouse left handed, was that difficult.
[15:16] <apachelogger> grub2 cannot tile backgrounds
[15:16] <BluesKaj> wasn't
[15:16] <apachelogger> what a disappointment
[15:41] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/672356/
[15:41] <apachelogger> :P
[15:41] <yofel> rofl
[15:53] <BluesKaj> , time to push some snow ...BBL
[15:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 15:55 < carewolf> Riddell: https://gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit-23/trees/qtwebkit-2.3-beta2b there you go. 49.2 MByte, new release for tar-balling.
[15:56] <Riddell> a nice one
[15:57] <shadeslayer> where did you get that from?
[15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from asking him on #qtwebkit
[15:57] <shadeslayer> I'll have a look right after dinner :)
[16:01] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings/revision/517
[16:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: elite grub hackage!
[16:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:09] <apachelogger> now if only we could make grub look nice ^^
[16:09] <apachelogger> sheytan: we need to make grub look nice
[16:09] <apachelogger> it would of course help a bunch if grub could actually tile -.-
[16:10] <sheytan> grub? is there a need?
[16:11] <apachelogger> you keep telling me how important that stuff is
[16:12] <sheytan> ok, ok :D
[16:12] <sheytan> i get it :D
[16:12] <apachelogger> yet I almost never ever see anything up to lightdm, and lightdm I even only see for like 5 seconds
[16:12] <apachelogger> on that note
[16:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: the clock in your lightdm theme is too aggressive IMO
[16:12] <apachelogger> way too big an animation
[16:12] <sheytan> you can modify it
[16:26]  * sheytan test
[16:26]  * sheytan odl toshibas are the worst notebooks to disasable :/
[16:26]  * sheytan is tired of
[16:33]  * shadeslayer rages at ssh
[16:38] <agateau> Riddell: I have some patches for ubiquity, I am going to file a merge request for them. Should I add you as a reviewer?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> :|
[16:41] <shadeslayer> WARNING: /tmp/buildd/qtwebkit-source-2.3-beta2/Source/api.pri:112: Unable to find file for inclusion /include/QtWebKit/headers.pri
[16:41] <shadeslayer> and then : Project ERROR: Failed to resolve install headers
[16:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you can have qtwebkit
[16:43] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:43] <shadeslayer> this is ETOOSHITTY
[16:48] <Riddell> agateau: sure
[16:49] <Riddell> agateau: and thanks :)
[16:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh you're too kind </sarcasm>
[16:50] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:02] <agateau> Riddell: request filed
[17:03] <agateau> Riddell: Ubiquity window is too small for french strings, I am considering removing some of the fancy borders and turn it into a classic window. Any objection?
[17:09]  * apachelogger found out how to do inheritance in plymouth \\o/
[17:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: inheritance?
[17:16] <Riddell> agateau: ooh that bling is really nice
[17:16] <agateau> Riddell: I am not talking about removing all the bling, but rather turning it into resizable bling
[17:16] <Riddell> agateau: the fixed size is not ideal for sure, but it should also fit on a netbook sized monitor and this one only just fits
[17:16] <agateau> Riddell: not in french
[17:17] <Riddell> resizable bling sounds good
[17:17] <agateau> :)
[17:17] <Riddell> the step names on the left don't have enough space in lots of languages
[17:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: foo = [] | "Foo"; makes foo a hash and a string
[17:18] <shadeslayer> wait what
[17:18] <shadeslayer> I do not understand that one bit :P
[17:19] <apachelogger> u silly
[17:19] <apachelogger> actually hash+string is silly too
[17:19] <apachelogger> foo = 3 | "Foo";
[17:19] <apachelogger> bar = foo + 3;
[17:19] <apachelogger> / bar = 6
[17:20] <apachelogger> foobar = foo.CharAt(0);
[17:20] <apachelogger>  //foobar = "F"
[17:21] <shadeslayer> I have no idea what you're talking about
[17:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:22] <apachelogger> inheritance in plymouth!
[17:22] <shadeslayer> errrrr .. I thought you were talking about class inheritance
[17:22] <apachelogger> plymouth has no classes
[17:22]  * apachelogger throws keyboard
[17:23] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's why I was confused
[17:23] <apachelogger> well
[17:23] <apachelogger> technically it does
[17:23] <apachelogger> though not really
[17:23] <shadeslayer> so whats this new inheritance thing you're talking about
[17:23] <apachelogger> aka [] and String would be native classes
[17:24] <apachelogger> tho since those are implemented in C that statement is also not really true
[17:24] <apachelogger> anywho
[17:24] <apachelogger> so in plymouth you inherit by using the | operator
[17:24] <apachelogger> and then comes more undocumented madness
[17:24] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:25] <apachelogger> there's a local and global variable which in fact does nothing more than provide the respective scope from what I understand
[17:25] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[17:25] <apachelogger> so a toplevel var foo would also be accessible via global.foo
[17:25] <apachelogger> (which IMO makes that a bit of an implementation leakage, but oh well...)
[17:26] <apachelogger> declaring a function Foo is also accessible via global.Foo
[17:26] <apachelogger> so you now have javascript-like prototype crap
[17:27] <apachelogger> Foo = fun() { return [] | global.Foo; } | []; 
[17:27] <apachelogger> Foo is now a hashable Foo
[17:31] <apachelogger> ah in case it's not obvious why one inherits from global.Foo ... global.Foo is technically an object of its own, having functions as properties (e.g. Foo.Bar = fun() {}; is global.Foo.bar), as such inheriting from global.Foo allows one to use Bar as a function on an instance of Foo ... i.e. foo.Bar() works because foo is an instance of [] | global.Foo and global.Foo.Bar is fun() {};
[17:32] <apachelogger> considering the amount of code in the script plugin that is really nice
[17:47] <apachelogger> bug 285626
[17:48] <xnox> sounds like a very old bug...
[18:02] <shadeslayer> oh fun
[18:03] <shadeslayer> someone abstracted over various packaging formats
[18:03] <shadeslayer> https://github.com/lubosz/cerbero
[18:15] <agateau> pfff, ubiquity is slooooow
[18:17] <shadeslayer> pythorn!!!
[18:24] <agateau> shadeslayer: debconf!
[18:24] <agateau> Riddell: taking advantage of maximized ubiquity to list all my (virtual) disks: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/15/ubiquity-maximized.png
[18:25] <agateau> also note how it says "Ubuntu 12.10" in the partition list
[18:26] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:27] <Riddell> agateau: ooh la la
[18:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: more d-i's and debconf's fault than python's
[18:28]  * agateau wonders if "ooh la la" is good or bad
[18:28] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:28] <Riddell> agateau: terrible!
[18:28] <Riddell> yes, I agree it's nice :)
[18:29] <agateau> great :)
[18:30] <agateau> time to go, will continue next week
[18:56] <xnox> is 12.10 there because this is photoshop or because os-release mis-detected stuff?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> ..BBL
[19:31] <blaze> so, how's going qtwebkit-23 packaging?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> xnox: or possibly hard coded string?
[19:52] <shadeslayer> blaze: it's going nowhere :P
[19:53] <blaze> why?
[19:55] <blaze> i know it builds only with some perl-script, and qmake files should be fixed a lot :)
[19:55] <shadeslayer> shitty build systems :P
[19:58] <shadeslayer> blaze: in any case, we will try and package it, but it's going to take time
[20:12] <apachelogger> mh
[20:12] <apachelogger> talking about slow ubiquity
[20:12] <apachelogger> someone should look into that
[20:12] <apachelogger> in fact
[20:12] <apachelogger> perhaps we should make the next dev series about making stuff faster
[20:27] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coke
[20:27]  * kubotu slides a cold can of tasty Coca Cola(r) down the bar to apachelogger.
[20:36] <yofel> the one thing I usually notice about ubiquity is that it tends to run at 100% CPU most of the time for some reason
[20:41] <apachelogger> well, it's doing stuff most of the time :P
[22:23] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1126052] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1126052 (by tuxmouraille)