[02:07] <adam_> Can anybody help me with "Case Conflict" zip files?
[02:24] <adam_> figured it out
[04:47] <phillw> anyone about who 'likes' :P Broadcom wifi issues for a newcomer, I'm not really familiar with that particular nightmare.
[11:04] <r4y> Ha ha, OK, yes I know I said this before but this time it's true. I fixed my problem with Ubuntu 10.04 where I would have to login several times until evenually it would let me stay logged in
[11:05] <r4y> I went to system, preferences, monitors and changed the refresh rate from 60 Hz to 70Hz the problem I was having for logging in seemed to stop, but I noticed the screen wasn't fully seen until I chose 75 Hz.
[11:06] <r4y> Apparently this flat sceen monitor must be why this was needed
[11:08] <r4y> I could easily log into the graphical failsafe gnome open from the login screen which is what made me think it must have something to do with graphics. And I thought it had something to do with this motherboard having a built in graphics port, but I was wrong
[11:08] <r4y> bye
[11:27] <r4y> Hello, I know I said bye but I have a questions for the heck of it. I am not in need for the answers but I need to learn
[11:27] <r4y> Is anyone here?
[11:27] <r4y> If not I want to go
[11:28] <r4y> I am looking through questions I asked and am hoping to learn certain things if possible
[11:29] <r4y> does sudo touch /forcefsck only check the filesytem, as in not what's stored in the home folder but just the filesystem?
[11:29] <r4y> I mean why does that take less time then say fsck?
[11:32] <r4y> And does smartctl and smartmontools not just test hard drives?, does it fix problems and not just test?
[11:35] <r4y> Should I run check in Disk Utility to fix problem after doing what?
[11:35] <r4y> running tests with disk utility?
[11:35] <r4y> or?
[11:36] <r4y> I know these are simple things, but sometimes it drives me crazy wondering what order I should do things
[11:36] <r4y> I know that when using disk utility it should be done from a live cd
[11:41] <r4y> My assumsion is that fsck takes longer because it scans the whole hard drive where as sudo touch /forcefsck takes less time because I am assuming it just checks the filesystem, but I don't know
[11:41] <r4y> assumption not assumsion, I forgot to spell check that
[11:43] <r4y> Well, bye I guess. TY all for the help you have given me over the years. And sorry for flooding this place
[11:46] <r4y> Here's another question I would like to know the answer to. Is a Sata hard drive the same as a Pata hard drive?, because Disk Utility says Pata and here I asked: How do I know if this HD supports smart?
[11:46] <r4y> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/24/%23ubuntu.html
[11:53] <r4y> OK, never mind: http://superuser.com/questions/201112/how-can-i-use-an-old-pata-hard-disk-drive-on-my-newer-sata-only-computer
[11:54] <r4y> LOL, that's crazy
[11:54] <r4y> well, bye, take care
[18:51] <AJH101> Hi I installed 12.4 and 12.4.1. I would like to install 12.04.2 but I am only offered 12.10 by Update Manager. Am I missing something?
[18:52] <duanedesign> hi AJH101. You might check your settings option.
[18:53] <AJH101> I was on LTS only updates, and then changed it to any release - still no joy...
[18:53] <Unit193> AJH101: Try running  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   in a terminal.  After that, lsb_release -a
[18:57] <AJH101> lots going on...
[19:00] <AJH101> Hmm. The last command said i was running 12.04 but UM is still offering 12.1 only
[19:00] <AJH101> 12.10
[19:00] <AJH101> brb
[19:02] <duanedesign> i would think a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade would take care of that. dot releases are ususaly taken care of as part of your normal package updates. So you wont be offered a new release it will just update the packages as they become available
[19:03] <Unit193> Indeed, that's how it works.
[19:40] <T0077238> Hi - total Ubuntu n00b here.  I am attempting to recover my bricked lenovo with a USB Ubuntu-Desktop and I need to use GPART to check the partitions on my apparently dead LT.  Where on the memory stick can I drop the exe for GPART?
[19:41] <T0077238> Can I create a new folder on the stick or will that kill the bootability?  TIA for any and all assistance.
[19:44] <duanedesign> you ddont want the exe for running on Ubuntu
[19:44] <T0077238> oh right I guess that windows doh
[19:44] <duanedesign> yeah it is habit :)
[19:44] <T0077238> so if I go back and get the linux ver - do I put that in its own folder on the stick?
[19:45] <T0077238> does ubuntu use folders?  ;-D
[19:45] <duanedesign> I dont have a lot of experience running ubuntu on a usb stick. However you should be able to open the Software Center and install gparted
[19:46] <T0077238> hmmm I don't know that term SW Centre.  Is that like ctrl panel on win?
[19:46] <duanedesign> or open a terminal and run the command - sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gparted
[19:47] <duanedesign> T0077238: the software center should be in the launcher on the left hand side of the screen
[19:47] <T0077238> I haven't booted into Ubuntu yet, just making the bootable stick at the mo'
[19:47] <duanedesign> or you can click the ubuntu logo in the upper left and when the Dash opens search for Software Center
[19:48] <T0077238> ok then I can collect the gparted file and use it on another machine?
[19:49] <duanedesign> I did read this "If you have created the usb using the live usb creator or a similar tool no, they provide a semi-peristent option which allows to change /home contents but not the root filesystem."
[19:50] <duanedesign> so...if that is the case
[19:53] <duanedesign> you will want to install the application in your Home directory
[19:53] <duanedesign> i need to boot into ubuntu, ill be right back
[19:59] <duanedesign> ok
[19:59] <duanedesign> <.<  >.>
[21:31] <T0077238> I'm back!  So I found that the gparted iso can be made into a bootable USB and it comes with testdisk (TM) onboard!  Sweeeet!  So now I'm waiting more or less patiently while Testdisk tries to recover or make available the files off my dead LT
[21:32] <T0077238> What I'm wondering instead is whether Ubuntu can be installed in place of Win7 but still preserve all my files (family pics, movies etc)?
[21:33] <holstein> photorec from testdisk will get them, if they can be gotten.. wont be labeled though
[21:33] <holstein> and it can take a while
[21:33] <holstein> T0077238: depends
[21:33] <holstein> T0077238: if you have a seperate data partition, then you can just keep that in place and the data will be in place
[21:34] <T0077238> oh that's too bad and yes I see it's taking quite awhile - only 80/60800 done in 10 min
[21:34] <holstein> if you are asking "i have a windows partition, and id like to replace that with linux, reformatting to a linux partition and would like for my data to live through that formatting" then no
[21:34] <holstein> but, thats ok
[21:35] <holstein> you should *always* have backups *before* doing anything like that anyway
[21:35] <holstein> you should have backups since *all* hard drives *will* fail
[21:35] <holstein> T0077238: it can take a long time
[21:35] <holstein> i have let photorec run for days
[21:35] <T0077238> I do have b/u but they're on my horrid Seagate(?) NAS with that mimeo software
[21:36] <T0077238> I think I'm only in Testdisk - still just searching
[21:36] <holstein> then, thats not a backup
[21:36] <holstein> thats a proprietary backup
[21:36] <holstein> you might wnat to consider how you are able to access "your" data
[21:36] <holstein> usually there are ways to connect via ftp
[21:37] <T0077238>  what I'm hoping is that Ubuntu will magically install itself without touching my data files - they're not on a sep part tho
[21:38] <T0077238> my original problem is that my dear husband got impatient and shut down the LT during a Win7 update and now it won't reboot
[21:38] <T0077238> and to make matters worse, the recovery disks I paid someone else to make are frikn corrupted
[21:39] <holstein> hoping?
[21:39] <holstein> its a machine.. hoping wont do anything
[21:39] <holstein> if you format, you lose data
[21:39] <T0077238> and just to make me pull out my hair - the failure of those corrupted disks, killed the lenovo one key recovery that should have been able to restore factory defauts
[21:39] <holstein> has nothing to do with ubuntu or windows...
[21:39] <holstein> you cant partition and format without losing that data
[21:39] <holstein> you *will* also lose that data when that hard drive fails, so having a backup that you can get to is a good use of time
[21:40] <holstein> T0077238: you can use a live CD to mount and recover the data, as it seems you are
[21:40] <holstein> but, you likely can just go in and get them.. not needing to use testdisk
[21:40] <T0077238> I didn't receive a Win CD
[21:40] <holstein> T0077238: you didnt buy it
[21:41] <holstein> T0077238: you bought a machine with windows on it
[21:41] <T0077238> those corrupted recovery disks were supposed to be both
[21:41] <holstein> T0077238: i would ask the person that created them
[21:41] <T0077238> right
[21:41] <T0077238> future shop imbeciles
[21:42] <holstein> yeah?
[21:42] <holstein> could just be a bad burn.. or the way you stored them
[21:42] <holstein> i mean, you can hate them if you need.. but again.. its just a machine
[21:42] <holstein> if you paid for disks, and they are bad, you should be able to get another copy easy enough
[21:42] <T0077238> probably cheap DVDs - they've been inside a plastic bag in their dust jackets in a closet for almost 1 yr
[21:43] <holstein> T0077238: i have disk that are years old that work.. and others that are bad right off the bat
[21:43] <T0077238> yes, I just dread having to talk to those ppl - personality free shut-ins
[21:43] <holstein> also, you dont know that the optical drive is not the issue
[21:44] <T0077238> unlikely b/c it boots and reads/runs for awhile then fails
[21:44] <T0077238> anyway
[21:45] <holstein> T0077238: it?
[21:45] <holstein> the machine?
[21:45] <T0077238> just wondering if I install ubuntu in the small (30GB) unalloc space - can it see the ntfs folders that remain on the big partition?
[21:45] <holstein> the optical drive.. gotcha.. sounds like it could be either
[21:45] <T0077238> right
[21:45] <holstein> you cant rule out bad hardare til you rule it out
[21:46] <holstein> T0077238: you can do that without installing
[21:46] <holstein> T0077238: you can see the "ntfs folders" from the live CD
[21:46] <T0077238> oh - would we have to boot using the usb every time tho?
[21:47] <holstein> T0077238: i would boot the live CD, get the data backedup, and reinstall whatever OS's i want
[21:47] <T0077238> i have to get the live CD from future shop first and i don't expect them to just hand it over - I seem to recall some blather about the recovery disks being given in place
[21:48] <holstein> T0077238: the ubntu installer disc is the live CD im talking about
[21:48] <T0077238> oh sorry
[21:48] <holstein> T0077238: the install cd that you are talkig about using to install to that 30gb partition
[21:48] <holstein> you just dont install there
[21:48] <T0077238> does ubuntu have a speedy app for massive file transfer?
[21:48] <holstein> you just boot live
[21:49] <holstein> T0077238: it has a file manager.. the data moves and the speed it ca
[21:49] <T0077238> oh like in the try before you buy example
[21:49] <holstein> the app is what it is
[21:49] <holstein> the s
[21:49] <holstein> the speediness will be from the drive and the protoco
[21:49] <holstein> protocol*
[21:49] <T0077238> ack
[21:49] <holstein> like, USB has a limit... firewire
[21:49] <holstein> etc
[21:49] <holstein> T0077238: ack?
[21:50] <T0077238> sorry habit    ack = acknowledge
[21:50] <T0077238> as in I understand
[21:50] <holstein> coo
[21:50] <holstein> l
[21:51] <holstein> T0077238: you should be able to do it from whatever live CD you are in now
[21:51] <T0077238> do you know if could I ftp from my LT to my GOFLEX NAS?
[21:51] <holstein> T0077238: i know you can.. the question is, does the goflex support ftp?
[21:51] <T0077238> hmmm not sure even how to check
[21:52] <holstein> T0077238: i usually just google.. just look in the admin page and see for myself
[21:52] <T0077238> Yes - google will know.  Google always knows.  :-D
[21:53] <holstein> Look at chapter 5, section about accessing your GoFlex using FTP
[21:53] <holstein> ^^ that is from the first page that popped up for me
[21:53] <T0077238> do you know if I can interrupt the Testdisk at the search phase without killing everything?
[21:53] <holstein> what would i do? get a usb drive
[21:53] <holstein> T0077238: wont hurt to do both
[21:54] <holstein> T0077238: what is photorec saving to?
[21:54] <T0077238> yes, I think I will attach to it with usb and then boot into the live ubuntu and move everything across to the NAS and then I'll get new recovery disks from FS
[21:54] <holstein> T0077238: sounds like a plan
[21:55] <holstein> you can get your data off, and install ubuntu while you wait
[21:55] <holstein> see if you prefer it
[21:55] <T0077238> I think at the moment it's just searching - I followed this guy's steps:  http://geexhq.com/recover-partition-table/
[21:55] <holstein> i dont think you have a bad partition table
[21:55] <T0077238> on step 8 -
[21:56] <T0077238> no it seemed to read it ok
[21:56] <T0077238> but when i looked in gparted the main part showed UNKNOWN for the file system
[21:56] <T0077238> which is where all the data is, of course
[21:57] <holstein> that doesnt mean you have a bad patition table
[21:57] <holstein> that means, that version of linux doesnt know what partition type that is
[21:57] <holstein> thats all you can assume from that
[21:57] <holstein> the software you are using doesnt know what file system that is
[21:57] <holstein> not.. the file system is corrupt.. or broken
[21:58] <T0077238> I got hopeful that Testdisk might be able to restore access to the files rather than having to do a system restore and lose them all
[21:58] <holstein> you could probbaly instigate a chkdsk or whatever fsck is from windows safe mode and "fix" it
[21:58] <T0077238> unfortunately the LT no longer boots so I cannot get to a dos prompt
[21:58] <holstein> T0077238: thats hardware then
[21:59] <holstein> that has nothing to do with the hard drive.. unless it does
[21:59] <T0077238> lol
[21:59] <holstein> you'd have to elaborate as to "no longer boots"
[21:59] <holstein> that means, "i his the power button, and it dosent boot"
[21:59] <T0077238> i think that b/c my hub restarted the machine mid-update
[21:59] <holstein> T0077238: sure.. but how does it not boot?
[22:00] <T0077238> yesterday a win7 update started and seemed to get stuck at 30% so he used the power button to shut it down
[22:00] <holstein> T0077238: i get that.. but after that. how does it not boot?
[22:00] <T0077238> when he tried to turn it back on and get black scrn with disk read error
[22:00] <holstein> what do you mean by "doesnt boot"? and how? and when?
[22:00] <holstein> T0077238: what error?
[22:01] <T0077238> top right hand corner - something like:  no disk - Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart
[22:01] <T0077238> correction top left
[22:01] <holstein> T0077238: thats different too
[22:01] <holstein> T0077238: that means the machine is not finding a disk that'll boot
[22:02] <holstein> T0077238: that doesnt necessarily mean the hard drive is bad either
[22:02] <holstein> T0077238: you are assuming, and spending time based on that assumption
[22:02] <T0077238> yes but in the multiboot menu hdd is in the list but goes round in a circle
[22:02] <holstein> which is fine, and might be correct
[22:02] <T0077238> no i think this is all b/c of that update not completing
[22:02] <holstein> right
[22:02] <holstein> you think
[22:02] <holstein> thats what im saying
[22:02] <holstein> you think
[22:02] <T0077238> followed by the failure of those corrupted recovery disks
[22:03] <holstein> i know its because of the hard reboot, but what you dont know is what broke and how
[22:03] <holstein> or, if anything is broken
[22:03] <T0077238> maybe so but how to diagnose?
[22:03] <holstein> the hard drive could have been ruined.. and no amount of work you are going to do will fix it
[22:03] <holstein> i dont think that is true.. but its an option
[22:03] <T0077238> you are full of good news
[22:03] <T0077238> sigh
[22:03] <holstein> T0077238: i test
[22:03] <holstein> T0077238: i get a live CD.. i mount the disk i move the data
[22:04] <holstein> if no, i get photorec and restore as much as posssible
[22:04] <T0077238> yes I think that is my only
[22:04] <T0077238> C
[22:04] <holstein> then, i run test.. test that take hours
[22:04] <T0077238> COA (course of action)
[22:04] <holstein> i see that the drive is good, then i rebuild it
[22:04] <T0077238> is Seagate a good name in HDDs?  I always thought so
[22:05] <holstein> T0077238: dosnt matter.. *all* hard drives fail
[22:05] <T0077238> true enough
[22:05] <holstein> new ones. old ones.. all brands.. doesnt matter
[22:06] <T0077238> ok i think i'll stop the quick search of Testdisk and go with the plan
[22:06] <T0077238> to move the data off the drive
[22:07] <T0077238> holstein you've been very helpful  Thanks!
[22:07] <holstein> T0077238: cheers