| xnox | mpt: surely the toolbar doesn't hide instantly upon clicking back but stay around for a little while for rapid back tapping | 00:17 |
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| mpt | xnox, good point, maybe it does. | 11:12 |
| mpt | xnox, but it would be odd if it was there initially on going back, but not initially on going in. | 11:12 |
| xnox | mpt: if one had proximity sensors toolbar could be revealed upon finger hovering over the bottom edge. | 11:16 |
| mpt | Yes, we are living through a brief but glorious window of hover-effect-free computing | 11:19 |
| xnox | mpt: have you seen microsoft big table (the surface table) ? =))))) | 11:27 |
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| czajkowski | ckpringle: ping | 17:08 |
| czajkowski | ckpringle: something is wrong with the links in the blog post that go to G+ | 17:08 |
| czajkowski | ckpringle: http://design.canonical.com/2013/02/app-patterns-applied-core-utilities-for-ubuntu-on-phones/ as an example when I click on the G+ just makes my address bar go odd with a long url but never posts | 17:09 |
| * mpt ponders labelling a button "Remove & Install", and wonders whether that would seem vaguely contradictory | 17:13 | |
| czajkowski | just a tad | 17:13 |
| czajkowski | and very confusing | 17:14 |
| snwh | mpt, why not 'or'? | 17:14 |
| mpt | snwh, because it's doing both | 17:15 |
| mpt | Removing item B that conflicts with about-to-be-installed item A. | 17:15 |
| snwh | Oh, I see. What is this for? | 17:16 |
| mpt | snwh, bug 704155 | 17:22 |
| ubot5 | bug 704155 in software-center (Ubuntu) "No easy way to resolve conflicts" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704155 | 17:22 |
| ckpringle | czajkowski: oh, strange? | 17:24 |
| czajkowski | ckpringle: happens on all of them | 17:24 |
| czajkowski | let me pm you the url | 17:24 |
| ckpringle | czajkowski: I've never tried to G+ them!!! | 17:24 |
| czajkowski | :( | 17:24 |
| thorwil | mpt: "Remove Conflicting Package and Install" ... long, but "Resolve Conflict ..." is vague and "Remove Conflict" doesn't say how | 17:26 |
| czajkowski | not sure why it doesn't post like the others though | 17:26 |
| mpt | thorwil, indeed | 17:28 |
| thorwil | though i guess you are trying to keep "package" out of user-facing language | 17:28 |
| thorwil | if the dialog is very clear about what is going to happen, you might get away with an "Apply", which avoids the remove-> what?, install -> what? problem | 17:31 |
| snwh | mpt, there's always "Supplant" ;) | 17:35 |
| mpt | haha | 17:35 |
| mpt | snwh, thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwarePackageOperations?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=install-conflict.png | 17:38 |
| czajkowski | hmm any idea why there isnt any sharing feature available on http://www.canonical.com/content/touch-developer-preview-ubuntu-be-published-21-february-2013 | 17:41 |
| snwh | mpt, what is the current behaviour? | 17:41 |
| mpt | snwh, "Install" is just insensitive | 17:41 |
| thorwil | mpt: at that point, the user already stated intention to install, right? so that dialog is a detour and can simply say "Remove items" (vs "Cancel installation") | 17:43 |
| mpt | There's a fine line between making the affirmative button contain a warning that continuing will do something unexpected, and making it say the complete opposite of what you're expecting. :-) | 17:46 |
| snwh | mpt, what if it were "Continue Installing" as the removal is implied in the 'warning' | 17:48 |
| mpt | snwh, so what I mean by "making the affirmative button contain a warning" is, containing a hint for the sake of people who wouldn't otherwise read the primary text | 17:48 |
| mpt | Most often, this hint is the word "Anyway" | 17:49 |
| snwh | oh. those people. | 17:49 |
| thorwil | i think warning about removal trumps reassurance that this is the way to continue | 17:49 |
| mpt | heh, yes, thooose people | 17:49 |
| mpt | E.g. if you read the button "Install Anyway", you'd think "whoa, anyway despite what?", and might read the primary text when you wouldn't have otherwise. | 17:49 |
| mpt | But I think this case deserve something a bit stronger than "Anyway" | 17:50 |
| mpt | +s | 17:50 |
| snwh | i thought of 'replace', but that wouldnt always be the case | 17:53 |
| snwh | mpt, but of course package A could remove B & C | 17:56 |
| mpt | yep | 17:57 |
| snwh | mpt, do you have a dot grid that you start all of those mockups with? | 18:00 |
| mpt | snwh, yes, http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/squaredots/ | 18:00 |
| snwh | mpt, thanks! I was looking for something like that the other day | 18:01 |
| * snwh thinks he should probably finish that apport icon for mpt. | 18:44 | |
| mpt | yay :-) | 19:00 |
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