[00:17] <xnox> mpt: surely the toolbar doesn't hide instantly upon clicking back but stay around for a little while for rapid back tapping
[11:12] <mpt> xnox, good point, maybe it does.
[11:12] <mpt> xnox, but it would be odd if it was there initially on going back, but not initially on going in.
[11:16] <xnox> mpt: if one had proximity sensors toolbar could be revealed upon finger hovering over the bottom edge.
[11:19] <mpt> Yes, we are living through a brief but glorious window of hover-effect-free computing
[11:27] <xnox> mpt: have you seen microsoft big table (the surface table) ? =)))))
[17:08] <czajkowski> ckpringle: ping
[17:08] <czajkowski> ckpringle: something is wrong with the links in the blog post that go to G+
[17:09] <czajkowski> ckpringle: http://design.canonical.com/2013/02/app-patterns-applied-core-utilities-for-ubuntu-on-phones/  as an example when I click on the G+  just makes my address bar go odd with a long url but never posts
[17:13]  * mpt ponders labelling a button "Remove & Install", and wonders whether that would seem vaguely contradictory
[17:13] <czajkowski> just a tad
[17:14] <czajkowski> and very confusing
[17:14] <snwh> mpt, why not 'or'?
[17:15] <mpt> snwh, because it's doing both
[17:15] <mpt> Removing item B that conflicts with about-to-be-installed item A.
[17:16] <snwh> Oh, I see. What is this for?
[17:22] <mpt> snwh, bug 704155
[17:24] <ckpringle> czajkowski: oh, strange?
[17:24] <czajkowski> ckpringle: happens on all of them
[17:24] <czajkowski> let me pm you the url
[17:24] <ckpringle> czajkowski: I've never tried to G+ them!!!
[17:24] <czajkowski> :(
[17:26] <thorwil> mpt: "Remove Conflicting Package and Install" ... long, but "Resolve Conflict ..." is vague and "Remove Conflict" doesn't say how
[17:26] <czajkowski> not sure why it doesn't post like the others though
[17:28] <mpt> thorwil, indeed
[17:28] <thorwil> though i guess you are trying to keep "package" out of user-facing language
[17:31] <thorwil> if the dialog is very clear about what is going to happen, you might get away with an "Apply", which avoids the remove-> what?, install -> what? problem
[17:35] <snwh> mpt, there's always "Supplant" ;)
[17:35] <mpt> haha
[17:38] <mpt> snwh, thorwil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwarePackageOperations?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=install-conflict.png
[17:41] <czajkowski> hmm any idea why there isnt any sharing feature available on http://www.canonical.com/content/touch-developer-preview-ubuntu-be-published-21-february-2013
[17:41] <snwh> mpt, what is the current behaviour?
[17:41] <mpt> snwh, "Install" is just insensitive
[17:43] <thorwil> mpt: at that point, the user already stated intention to install, right? so that dialog is a detour and can simply say "Remove items" (vs "Cancel installation")
[17:46] <mpt> There's a fine line between making the affirmative button contain a warning that continuing will do something unexpected, and making it say the complete opposite of what you're expecting. :-)
[17:48] <snwh> mpt, what if it were "Continue Installing" as the removal is implied in the 'warning'
[17:48] <mpt> snwh, so what I mean by "making the affirmative button contain a warning" is, containing a hint for the sake of people who wouldn't otherwise read the primary text
[17:49] <mpt> Most often, this hint is the word "Anyway"
[17:49] <snwh> oh. those people.
[17:49] <thorwil> i think warning about removal trumps reassurance that this is the way to continue
[17:49] <mpt> heh, yes, thooose people
[17:49] <mpt> E.g. if you read the button "Install Anyway", you'd think "whoa, anyway despite what?", and might read the primary text when you wouldn't have otherwise.
[17:50] <mpt> But I think this case deserve something a bit stronger than "Anyway"
[17:50] <mpt> +s
[17:53] <snwh> i thought of 'replace', but that wouldnt always be the case
[17:56] <snwh> mpt, but of course package A could remove B & C
[17:57] <mpt> yep
[18:00] <snwh> mpt, do you have a dot grid that you start all of those mockups with?
[18:00] <mpt> snwh, yes, http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/squaredots/
[18:01] <snwh> mpt, thanks! I was looking for something like that the other day
[18:44]  * snwh thinks he should probably finish that apport icon for mpt.
[19:00] <mpt> yay :-)