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| seb128 | hey | 16:02 |
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| seb128 | ogra_, hey | 16:03 |
| seb128 | sorry I'm a bit late | 16:03 |
| seb128 | did you guys start? | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | nope | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | i totally forgot about it | 16:03 |
| * ogra_ is knee deep in debugging the broken images ... | 16:04 | |
| ogra_ | so thats the first thing i have to report | 16:04 |
| seb128 | ogra_, let's start with that then | 16:04 |
| seb128 | how is the debugging going? | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | all available images are currently broken :( | 16:04 |
| seb128 | do you need help? what did you figure so far? | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | well | 16:05 |
| ogra_ | what i figured is that X doesnt start ... i can hack around it by adding break=top to the kernel cmdline ... then ...' | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | remounting the disk rw and making g-s-d unexecutable | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | so i suspect there are two distinct bugs | 16:06 |
| seb128 | so it's a g-s-d issue? | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | one is surely g-s-d | 16:07 |
| seb128 | in the new rotation code? | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | but the other seems to be filesystem related or mountall or so | 16:07 |
| seb128 | should we drop the feature and see if that makes tomorrow's daily work? | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | not yet | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | i wont stop hitting it until i know whats going on ... probably g-s-d is just fallout of filesystem issues | 16:08 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | could also be mountall (seems /tmp isnt cleaned up) | 16:08 |
| seb128 | desktop is having a sprint next week | 16:08 |
| seb128 | I hope we have a working image monday | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | yeah, i'll have it working one way or the other for you on the weekend | 16:08 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | or latest monday | 16:08 |
| seb128 | let me know if I can help | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | is that a physical sprint (TZ) | 16:09 |
| seb128 | yes, physical in London | 16:09 |
| seb128 | going to see the new Canonical office ;-) | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | bah | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | envy ! | 16:10 |
| seb128 | hehe | 16:10 |
| seb128 | ok, on that note, what else happened this week? | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | so beyond the breakage ... | 16:10 |
| seb128 | we got the rotation feature moved in g-s-d | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | g-s-d grep rotation code :P | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | and i dropped the stuff from the ubuntu=-defaults-nexus7 package | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | s/grep/grew/ | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | well, beyond that not much happened i think | 16:12 |
| * seb128 is looking at raring-changes and his blueprints' email folder | 16:12 | |
| ogra_ | we have a dedicated builder now ... | 16:12 |
| seb128 | upstart session job is getting there | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | for the images | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:12 |
| seb128 | so I hope we can jump on that soon | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | yup, that should save us another lot | 16:12 |
| seb128 | I didn't have time to update the wiki for "how to contribute", still on my list for next week though | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | i cant currently provide any ram measurements or so ... | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | since my device is stuck in the installer :) | 16:13 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:13 |
| seb128 | so it was somewhat of a slow progress week, but that's ok, we had some good action in the previous ones, it can't always be at this level | 16:14 |
| seb128 | some of us as sprinting with a focus on the next next week | 16:14 |
| seb128 | I will try to do daily updates one way or another | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | great | 16:14 |
| seb128 | e.g blog post of email to ubuntu-devel | 16:14 |
| seb128 | or* | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | right, we didnt even announce today | 16:15 |
| seb128 | oh, there was also some activity upstream on the "button get stucked" bug | 16:15 |
| seb128 | but it seems that's not enough to fix the issue yet | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | yeah, didnt go forward | 16:15 |
| seb128 | it's moving though, so with some luck we will get it fixed soon | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | but there were some test packages | 16:16 |
| ogra_ | yeah, lots better than for the recent weeks | 16:16 |
| seb128 | oh | 16:16 |
| seb128 | I almost forgot | 16:16 |
| seb128 | Qt5 got uploaded and we managed to get most of it through source and binary NEW | 16:16 |
| seb128 | it's in raring-proposed | 16:17 |
| seb128 | qtbase failed to build on powerpc | 16:17 |
| seb128 | so it will not move to raring yet | 16:17 |
| seb128 | but that's getting close | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:17 |
| seb128 | which means the phone sdk will be easy to install in raring soon, without ppa ;-) | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | wohoo | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | well ... is anone else here who wants to speak up ? | 16:19 |
| seb128 | I hope that the news of steam being available in the software-center doesn't ruin productivity around in the next weeks :p | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | haha | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | it surely will | 16:19 |
| vibhav | :D | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | we should talk to valve if they could put something in that only allows you to play after you helped with nx7 work | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | should also raise our awareness | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | :) | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | doesnt look like we have much community coverage today | 16:20 |
| ogra_ | xnox, anything new and exciting about the installer (apart from the fact that it doesnt work) | 16:20 |
| * xnox shakes fist at ogra_ | 16:21 | |
| ogra_ | heh | 16:21 |
| xnox | not much on nexus7 front. upstart-desktop session seems to be almost complete. | 16:21 |
| ogra_ | yeah, seb said so above | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | plars, are there regular test installs happening for the nexus7 ? | 16:22 |
| * ogra_ wonders why nobody noticed the current breakage | 16:23 | |
| plars | ogra_: not automated because we haven't been able to make the preseeding stuff work so far, but manual as time allows. I think psivaa was complaining about something on nexus7 today in fact? | 16:23 |
| plars | ogra_: we do have some automated tests, but they update each day for now | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | well, it would be good to have a test around mid-week regulary | 16:24 |
| plars | ogra_: why mid-week? is there something that happens early-mid week? | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | so we still have old images to compare with that possibly worked (which we dont now since the breakage dates back a week it seems) | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | and still some days to fix it before the weekend | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | plars, we only keep three images | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | and due to the fact that we dont build milestones there is no functional image at all now | 16:25 |
| plars | ogra_: I'll see what we can set up, also mine is still out for repair but I hope to have it back "soon" | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | k | 16:26 |
| seb128 | plars, do you know what's happening also about the daily measures for ram usage? | 16:26 |
| plars | seb128: those are the automated jobs I mentioned, I have those going on desktop as well as nexus7, graphing should land for those in the dashboard sometime next week | 16:27 |
| plars | seb128: eventstat wakeups per second too | 16:27 |
| seb128 | plars, excellent! | 16:27 |
| plars | seb128: those are both currently tested on an idle, freshly booted system at the moment. If there are some other workloads you think would be interesting, we can add them | 16:27 |
| seb128 | looking forward having that | 16:27 |
| plars | seb128: if you just want the raw data for now, I can point you at that | 16:28 |
| seb128 | yes, didrocks had a document with some scenarios | 16:28 |
| seb128 | plars, let's talk next week, I'm interested by not today (friday 5:30pm ;-) | 16:28 |
| plars | seb128: understand | 16:28 |
| seb128 | plars, but we should probably have some scenarios like "use the dash 100 times" | 16:29 |
| plars | for anyone who might be, the jobs are at: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/smem-raring-desktop-amd64-install-idle-vm/ and https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/smem-raring-desktop-armhf-upgrade-idle-nexus702/ | 16:29 |
| plars | (forgive the missing ones in the first link, recently modified the job to make it run 3 times instead of 1 and had some things to fix) | 16:29 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:31 |
| seb128 | plars, thanks | 16:31 |
| seb128 | anything else? | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | nope | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | so lets shut down then | 16:32 |
| seb128 | right | 16:33 |
| seb128 | have a good w.e everyone! | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | going once ... | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | twice ... | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | adjouorned | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | enjoy your weekends | 16:33 |
| seb128 | ogra_, let me know if I can help debugging the installer issues | 16:33 |
| seb128 | I'm just going to reboot | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | seb128, well, probably g-s-d stuff later | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | i'm still poking on the filesystem | 16:33 |
| seb128 | my video driver is out of order | 16:33 |
| seb128 | I can't restart unity, I get intel flush locking errors | 16:34 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:34 |
| seb128 | brb | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | bye | 16:34 |
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| tgm4883 | meeting time? | 18:03 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, I just got here myself | 18:04 |
| tgm4883 | is there an agenda? | 18:04 |
| * bobweaver needs to ake coffee he was up all night last night hacking a new webbrowser for TV | 18:05 | |
| * bobweaver will be back in 5 min | 18:05 | |
| CrestedNewt | hiya guys | 18:05 |
| tgm4883 | Doesn't look like there is much agenda | 18:07 |
| tgm4883 | #startmeeting | 18:07 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Fri Feb 15 18:07:30 2013 UTC. The chair is tgm4883. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:07 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 18:07 |
| CrestedNewt | I don't have anything really | 18:07 |
| tgm4883 | #chair CrestedNewt tgm4883 | 18:07 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: CrestedNewt tgm4883 | 18:07 |
| tgm4883 | I'll let CrestedNewt lead this meeting | 18:08 |
| CrestedNewt | OK, I had a Google hangout with bobweaver last sunday which was great | 18:08 |
| CrestedNewt | 'after' he had his coffee - so hopefully he will be back in a minute | 18:08 |
| bobweaver | 3 min | 18:09 |
| bobweaver | OK | 18:09 |
| bobweaver | #Topic arm port | 18:09 |
| bobweaver | we are ready and have a img | 18:10 |
| tgm4883 | #chair CrestedNewt tgm4883 bobweaver | 18:10 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: CrestedNewt bobweaver tgm4883 | 18:10 |
| tgm4883 | #Topic arm port | 18:10 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: arm port | ||
| bobweaver | thing is I am trying to get virtual arm set up | 18:10 |
| bobweaver | I got a letter from canonical saying that there going to get me some hardware to test on | 18:10 |
| bobweaver | (will ) | 18:10 |
| bobweaver | we will see how that works out | 18:11 |
| CrestedNewt | OK, Bobweaver, I have contacted ARM in the UK looking for a good match for you in the USA to get you a board. I have had no response as yet so I am planning on talking to them on Monday. | 18:11 |
| bobweaver | cool CrestedNewt | 18:11 |
| bobweaver | any more questions about arm? | 18:11 |
| CrestedNewt | #action CrestedNewt - chase up ARM re supplier of ARM boards in USA | 18:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: CrestedNewt - chase up ARM re supplier of ARM boards in USA | 18:12 |
| bobweaver | #action bobweaver needs to stay in touch with canonical | 18:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bobweaver needs to stay in touch with canonical | 18:12 |
| bobweaver | #topic Qt5/qml2 | 18:12 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Qt5/qml2 | ||
| bobweaver | so I am porting weverything over to qt5/qml2 | 18:13 |
| bobweaver | this is a big thing and is going to take me some time | 18:13 |
| bobweaver | good news about this is though I almost have all the tools that are needed for unity 2d to be running on qt5/qml2 | 18:13 |
| bobweaver | then on the 21 (if I get done by then) I will be porting it all to the Phone | 18:14 |
| * tgm4883 tries to not make a comment about duke nukem | 18:14 | |
| bobweaver | #action keep on working on porting dconf-qt to qt5 | 18:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: keep on working on porting dconf-qt to qt5 | 18:14 |
| bobweaver | #action keep on working on porting libbamf and launcher lib to qt5 | 18:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: keep on working on porting libbamf and launcher lib to qt5 | 18:15 |
| CrestedNewt | Is the phone OS still due out the end of this month or has that date lapsed doe we know? | 18:15 |
| bobweaver | feb 21 | 18:15 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, you're suppose to put your nick in there as well | 18:15 |
| bobweaver | woops | 18:16 |
| bobweaver | there is 3 of us lol | 18:16 |
| bobweaver | any more questions about qt5/qml2 ? | 18:16 |
| CrestedNewt | #action bobweaver keep on working on porting dconf-qt to qt5 | 18:16 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bobweaver keep on working on porting dconf-qt to qt5 | 18:16 |
| CrestedNewt | #action bobweaver keep on working on porting libbamf and launcher lib to qt5 | 18:17 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bobweaver keep on working on porting libbamf and launcher lib to qt5 | 18:17 |
| CrestedNewt | I have none | 18:17 |
| bobweaver | tgm4883, ? | 18:17 |
| tgm4883 | I have no questions | 18:17 |
| bobweaver | #topic wayland | 18:17 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: wayland | ||
| bobweaver | one can run wayland (if they have the hardware) and qt5 lets us do this | 18:17 |
| CrestedNewt | OK, apologies for being a bit backward here - what is wayland? | 18:18 |
| bobweaver | I will be pushing a example of this after porting of qt5 is done | 18:18 |
| bobweaver | !wayland | 18:18 |
| bobweaver | stupid bot | 18:18 |
| bobweaver | !X | 18:18 |
| ubottu | The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution | 18:18 |
| * tgm4883 wonders why were worrying about wayland | 18:18 | |
| bobweaver | because it is cool | 18:19 |
| bobweaver | and I like the idea | 18:19 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, ah, so Ubuntu TV is going to be the new Duke Nukem Forever? | 18:19 |
| bobweaver | CrestedNewt, if wayland is a servre just like X | 18:19 |
| CrestedNewt | I've just looked it up :D | 18:20 |
| bobweaver | But that said I want 3 different ports | 18:20 |
| bobweaver | 1) wayland 2) X ok only 2 at the moment | 18:20 |
| bobweaver | tgm4883, it is not that I am going to target wayland it is more that it works so why not show it off :) | 18:21 |
| mhall119 | I don't see why it should matter, as long as the toolkit supports the underlying display server (which Qt does) | 18:21 |
| bobweaver | and (I dont know what Duke Nukem is | 18:21 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: it's a game that's been in development for like 20 years | 18:21 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, I would like to have a downloadable, supported ISO at some point | 18:21 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, it was released after 15 years of development | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: they released it? | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | when did that happen? | 18:22 |
| bobweaver | then make it what does that have to do with wayland or display server ? | 18:22 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, mhall119 and the reason it was in development for 15 years, was because they'd get close to releasing it then see a new cool technology that was out that they had to use | 18:22 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, yes, it got pretty bad reviews | 18:22 |
| bobweaver | ahh I see | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: it's usually a reference made when software is in a constant state of "almost ready to release" and they goes back for more changes | 18:23 |
| bobweaver | #action tell people that make thoughts to stop thinking | 18:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tell people that make thoughts to stop thinking | 18:23 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, mhall119 the length of time something is in development is directly proportional to what the community expects from it | 18:23 |
| CrestedNewt | Basically what tgm4883 is saying is that we need to concentrate on getting an image out that works currently. Am I correct? | 18:23 |
| bobweaver | there is one image out there that works | 18:23 |
| tgm4883 | so the longer it takes to make something, the more perfect it better be | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | the good news is that bobweaver will soon have all the Phone code available | 18:23 |
| tgm4883 | I don't know of a single supported ISO for Ubuntu TV | 18:24 |
| tgm4883 | Yea I don't see Ubuntu TV listed at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ | 18:24 |
| bobweaver | only on 12.04 but it is something. Or people can use 11.10 and the crazy old one | 18:24 |
| bobweaver | tgm4883, want to be incharge of that ? | 18:24 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: it's not an official release so it won't be hosted there | 18:24 |
| bobweaver | #topic ISO | 18:24 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ISO | ||
| bobweaver | See | 18:24 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, why not | 18:24 |
| bobweaver | everything that I do gets roadblocked | 18:25 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: technical and legal reasons, really | 18:25 |
| bobweaver | or "Duke Nukemed " | 18:25 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, Mythbuntu is listed there | 18:25 |
| mhall119 | isn't mythbuntu a supported flavor? | 18:25 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, define supported | 18:25 |
| pleia2 | it is | 18:25 |
| bobweaver | so lets just tell people to install that for now | 18:25 |
| pleia2 | and "recognised flavor" is the term | 18:26 |
| bobweaver | I could make a iso or see if orga will elp me | 18:26 |
| mhall119 | definition: what pleia2 says :) | 18:26 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, I mean, if our aim isn't to become a recognised flavor, then what is the point of this project? | 18:26 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: the aim is to be fully integrated into Unity itself | 18:26 |
| bobweaver | +1 | 18:26 |
| bobweaver | then hire unity developers | 18:26 |
| bobweaver | I am sick and tired of all this talk | 18:27 |
| mhall119 | we're working on that | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | port to this No port to tha t | 18:27 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, I mean, at one point there were even paid developers for Ubuntu TV, which is far more than Mythbuntu has | 18:27 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: I understand the frustration | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | All I want is a working TV and I have that | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | I dont care if it is part of Ubuntu | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | But it does say things about Ubuntu | 18:27 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: Ubuntu TV wasn't every supposed to be a separate installation though, it was just supposed to be "Ubuntu" with a TV-friendly configuration of Unity | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | I am so confued | 18:27 |
| bobweaver | I get emails from canonical people telling me that qml2 is the future | 18:28 |
| bobweaver | then I hear that Nux is the future | 18:28 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, what you just said is far more information that was said to the public | 18:28 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: it is? I thought we were clear on that from the get-go | 18:28 |
| mhall119 | if not, I apologize, we should have been | 18:28 |
| bobweaver | again lets see how the phone is tied in | 18:28 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, my understanding is that it was going to be preloaded on TV's | 18:29 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, which is one of the reasons I'm here, to prevent that from being the only option | 18:29 |
| mhall119 | the intent is to eventually have just one "Unity" codebase that can change between desktop, mobile and TV layouts | 18:29 |
| tgm4883 | I'm getting a bit pessimistic about this project :/ | 18:29 |
| bobweaver | what ever it does not matter that I code 100's of hours | 18:29 |
| bobweaver | and port all this stuff | 18:29 |
| CrestedNewt | OK, I have come to the game late in the day... I need to pull together everything that I can so that we can have a 'route plan' to get this working AND to keep everyone happy. | 18:29 |
| bobweaver | all I care about is a working tv at my house | 18:29 |
| bobweaver | you all can use it if you like | 18:29 |
| tgm4883 | This has all the markings of a Canonical project, without any of the canonical backing it seems | 18:30 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: pre-loading on TVs was the distribution plan, since providing installers for TVs wasn't a very attractive option | 18:30 |
| bobweaver | Until canonical makes up there mind I am not doing anyuthing more for TV | 18:30 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, personally, IMO it was a bad plan | 18:30 |
| CrestedNewt | OK, bobweaver, send me the names of people I can meet face to face in London | 18:30 |
| bobweaver | #action make iso and | 18:30 |
| meetingology | ACTION: make iso and | 18:30 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, should have targeted a arm chip that you could plug into an HDMI port | 18:31 |
| bobweaver | LOL | 18:31 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: the target was any hardware that could run Ubuntu | 18:31 |
| mhall119 | which included a variety of ARM devices with HDMI out | 18:31 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, all that aside, it doesn't help that "canonical" says "unity unity unity", then bobweaver does all the work | 18:31 |
| bobweaver | and CANONICAL IS NOT SAYING UNITY UNITY UNTIY | 18:32 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: I agree, and bobweaver knows I've been doing everything in my power to get more resources available | 18:32 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, I mean, I like unity, but at this point i'd rather ask bobweaver to work on mythfrontend since it doesn't change so much | 18:32 |
| bobweaver | or at least that is the emails that I get | 18:32 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, when this project started, that is exactly what was being said | 18:32 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: I do share your frustrations, I really do | 18:32 |
| CrestedNewt | I can get to the Canonical London offices easy enough. Who do I need to meet up with? | 18:32 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: for what? | 18:32 |
| tgm4883 | bobweaver, I know, because a few of us asked why we aren't using projects that are already existing | 18:33 |
| CrestedNewt | to get some backing or whatever you guys NEED from them | 18:33 |
| bobweaver | #aaction bobweaver introduce CrestedNewt to key people | 18:33 |
| bobweaver | #action bobweaver introduce CrestedNewt to key people | 18:33 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bobweaver introduce CrestedNewt to key people | 18:33 |
| IdleOne | CrestedNewt: What you going to do when you get to the office? | 18:33 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, I just wish this wasn't a project that canonical was half into | 18:33 |
| bobweaver | I like how CrestedNewt is busness minded somethin g that I am not | 18:34 |
| tgm4883 | either be in or get out | 18:34 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: it wouldn't be someone in London | 18:34 |
| bobweaver | ok no more Unity fights please | 18:34 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: we all wish that | 18:34 |
| bobweaver | If they want to use unity then that is up to them | 18:34 |
| bobweaver | bottom line ! | 18:34 |
| CrestedNewt | I need to talk to tgm4883, bobweave and mhall119 offline to pull together an agenda. If the problems are 'blockages' let me see if I can unblock these | 18:34 |
| * tgm4883 is unsure who CrestedNewt represents | 18:34 | |
| CrestedNewt | the TEAM | 18:35 |
| bobweaver | #action bobweaver set up google hangout with CrestedNewt and tgm4883 and anyone else that wants to work on this team | 18:35 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bobweaver set up google hangout with CrestedNewt and tgm4883 and anyone else that wants to work on this team | 18:35 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: the main problem is resources, or rather the finite nature of them | 18:35 |
| tgm4883 | CrestedNewt, bobweaver and I are community. mhall119 is canonical. I'm unsure which you are | 18:35 |
| bobweaver | Any more questions about ISO ? | 18:35 |
| bobweaver | !topic | 18:35 |
| ubottu | Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic | 18:35 |
| CrestedNewt | I am community | 18:35 |
| tgm4883 | CrestedNewt, ok | 18:35 |
| mhall119 | I can help manually roll an ISO if need be, but that's about all the experience I have | 18:35 |
| bobweaver | well that did not work out like I liked | 18:36 |
| bobweaver | #topic | 18:36 |
| === Topic unset by meetingology on #ubuntu-meeting | ||
| bobweaver | ERGHHH | 18:36 |
| bobweaver | sorry | 18:36 |
| bobweaver | Ok if no one else has questions about ISO lets move on | 18:36 |
| bobweaver | #topic remote | 18:36 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: remote | ||
| bobweaver | I have made a qml2 remote that controls mythfront ends from other devices | 18:37 |
| bobweaver | so that remote can be phone or tablet | 18:37 |
| bobweaver | it uses mythtv services api | 18:37 |
| bobweaver | quesstions comments ? | 18:37 |
| CrestedNewt | I want to make a youtube vid for you on something that someone else uses | 18:38 |
| CrestedNewt | it won't be today but hopeully over the weekend | 18:38 |
| bobweaver | cool | 18:38 |
| bobweaver | tgm4883, is there anything in the remote that the services dont offerer that you think it should ? | 18:38 |
| bobweaver | ssh | 18:38 |
| bobweaver | ect | 18:38 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 18:38 |
| CrestedNewt | #action CrestedNewt - make youtube video of 'other' PVR system | 18:39 |
| meetingology | ACTION: CrestedNewt - make youtube video of 'other' PVR system | 18:39 |
| tgm4883 | I'd have to look at the services APi for the frontend | 18:39 |
| bobweaver | #action tgm4883 look at services for front end and find more cool stuf | 18:39 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tgm4883 look at services for front end and find more cool stuf | 18:39 |
| bobweaver | any more questions about the remotes ? | 18:40 |
| tgm4883 | I mean, I don't exactly know what we're using the mythfrontend for, but we'll need some sort of interface anyway for remotes | 18:40 |
| bobweaver | because this is not Ubuntu TV anymore | 18:40 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, can you say anything about what saviq was working on with remotes? | 18:40 |
| bobweaver | that is what people say | 18:41 |
| bobweaver | see that is the shit that I am talking about ^^^^ | 18:41 |
| bobweaver | #topic Name and keeping bob from ripping his hair out | 18:41 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Name and keeping bob from ripping his hair out | ||
| CrestedNewt | OK bobweaver, let's keep frustration low atm please. We will get there. | 18:41 |
| bobweaver | I am done dealing with do this no do that I am just going to do what I love | 18:42 |
| bobweaver | I am no longer part of the Ubuntu TV priject | 18:42 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: sorry, I don't know anything about remote work | 18:42 |
| bobweaver | as they (canonical ) has all the people they need for this | 18:42 |
| mhall119 | we reallydon't | 18:43 |
| bobweaver | and they do not talk to me about remotes and stuff like that so I waste my time over and over again | 18:43 |
| CrestedNewt | OK, change of tack then.... how about a web front end built into the TV which can be controlled from any device? | 18:43 |
| bobweaver | If They do not like what I am doing then they can use the many people that are developing this in house | 18:43 |
| bobweaver | #action bobweaver make a choice if he is part of this team with canonical or if he is just getting run a-stray | 18:44 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bobweaver make a choice if he is part of this team with canonical or if he is just getting run a-stray | 18:44 |
| bobweaver | that is up to canonical and not me | 18:44 |
| bobweaver | untill they make that choice and until they can make a choice on how they are going to do things I am out | 18:45 |
| * tgm4883 wonders where this meeting went off track | 18:45 | |
| CrestedNewt | me too! | 18:45 |
| bobweaver | I am done developing things for hours to be told what I am doing isnot some "designers" Idea | 18:45 |
| bobweaver | sorry guys but this is huge | 18:46 |
| bobweaver | either this is part of Ubuntu TV or it is not | 18:46 |
| bobweaver | this needs to be talked about | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: I made clear from the outset that things had to follow the design spec in order to be accepted for inclusion | 18:46 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, who is the PM of Ubuntu TV | 18:46 |
| bobweaver | we as a community can not be working at this with no idea of what some "designer is going to do " | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | that's what the "product" was supposed to be | 18:46 |
| CrestedNewt | bobweaver - I think that this is destined to be integrated fully into Ubuntu | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: Will Cooke is the development manager | 18:47 |
| bobweaver | Ok so let me tell you all this | 18:47 |
| bobweaver | 1) ubuntu tv has been in unity 3d fro 2 cycles now | 18:47 |
| mhall119 | there isn't a separate "PM" necessarily, that I know of anywya | 18:47 |
| bobweaver | sence 11.10 | 18:47 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, nothing against will cooke, but I haven't seen him at any of these meetings. Indicating to me that what we are doing is pointless | 18:47 |
| CrestedNewt | +1 | 18:47 |
| bobweaver | tgm4883, I talk to will all the time | 18:47 |
| bobweaver | well not all the time | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: Will and his team were tasked with getting the multi-media bits of the Phone done | 18:48 |
| bobweaver | 1 or twice a week | 18:48 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, if he's the development manager, he should be managing the developers of Ubuntu TV at some point. AFAIK, that is bobweaver | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | which is why they haven't been actively engaged with the TV work | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: well, yes and no | 18:48 |
| bobweaver | So back to unity go ahead and open up dconf editor and use Unity 3d TV that is ubuntu TV | 18:48 |
| bobweaver | LOL | 18:48 |
| mhall119 | to a large extent that's my job, as a community manager, to work between Canonical and Community | 18:49 |
| bobweaver | Ubuntu TV is for now that and that is what it will stay until I get something in writing | 18:49 |
| mhall119 | Will is responsible for his direct reports and his official tasks from Canonical | 18:49 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, unless there are developers at canonical working on this, then IMO it's a community project | 18:49 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: at the moment that is the case, yes | 18:50 |
| bobweaver | Will and jhodpp are awesome and willing to take and anwser emails | 18:50 |
| bobweaver | So again I am going to change all the wiki to tell people to use 11.10 or Ubuntu TV via Unity 3d | 18:50 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, then at some point, the community is going to get tired of Canonical being half in this and either take over the project or dump it | 18:50 |
| bobweaver | #action bobweaver change all the wiki stuff | 18:50 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bobweaver change all the wiki stuff | 18:50 |
| CrestedNewt | OK.... Let us take a step backwards and let's get all our ducks in a row so to speak. | 18:50 |
| mhall119 | tgm4883: I would encourage the community to take the initiative on development, but to try and follow the provided design spec | 18:51 |
| CrestedNewt | mhall119 - could you send me the original remit please? | 18:51 |
| mhall119 | remit? | 18:51 |
| bobweaver | community does not want to develop in NUX | 18:52 |
| CrestedNewt | what was expected from this project, the framework it has to adhere to, etc etc | 18:52 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, basically, from a comunity POV, canonical said "here is the design spec, make it happen" | 18:52 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: undestood | 18:52 |
| bobweaver | community does not want to do alot of things that "Designers" are talking about | 18:52 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: programmers rarely do ;) | 18:52 |
| bobweaver | community does not want to be told one thing then 2 weeks later something else | 18:52 |
| tgm4883 | mhall119, my understanding is that things keep changing too much | 18:52 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: if it's any comfort, community are not the only ones suffering that | 18:53 |
| bobweaver | community does not want to be told that qml2 is the future then they come to meetings and hear different | 18:53 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: there are many voices with many opinions in Canonical | 18:53 |
| bobweaver | #action bobweaver get a hold of will and Jim and saviq and see if they will do a hang out to get this out in the open | 18:53 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bobweaver get a hold of will and Jim and saviq and see if they will do a hang out to get this out in the open | 18:53 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: the most official answer I have for you on that is that Qt5/QML2 is the future for our app development SDK | 18:54 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, you know that this is killing the TV today right ? | 18:54 |
| mhall119 | but that doesn't necessarily many anything for the future of Unity's foundations | 18:54 |
| CrestedNewt | mhall119, but if bobweaver & tgm4883 have been working on something, according to original remit, and the goal posts change.... there is a problem that needs to be sorted | 18:54 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: I will try and find the design spec that was provided | 18:55 |
| CrestedNewt | mhall119, thanks :D | 18:55 |
| mhall119 | CrestedNewt: but for the technology, the direction was to use Unity3d and Nux | 18:55 |
| bobweaver | oh designers | 18:55 |
| bobweaver | :) | 18:55 |
| mhall119 | which has not been easy | 18:55 |
| mhall119 | I understand | 18:55 |
| bobweaver | #action get mark to talk to me about future of TV and ho it is going to run on Phone also talk about the future of the dash | 18:56 |
| meetingology | ACTION: get mark to talk to me about future of TV and ho it is going to run on Phone also talk about the future of the dash | 18:56 |
| bobweaver | er I forgot my name again sorry | 18:56 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, then find a community that wants to do that | 18:56 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: I've tried :) | 18:57 |
| bobweaver | as I have said like a broken record TV mode is on unity 3d | 18:57 |
| bobweaver | tell people to use it | 18:57 |
| bobweaver | see what they thing :D | 18:57 |
| mhall119 | TV mode is available on Unity 3d? | 18:57 |
| bobweaver | YEAH @ cycles NOW | 18:57 |
| bobweaver | 2 * | 18:57 |
| mhall119 | does it look different from desktop Unity? | 18:58 |
| bobweaver | try it | 18:58 |
| mhall119 | how? | 18:58 |
| bobweaver | change the dconf formfactor | 18:58 |
| CrestedNewt | ok ladies and gents, time is short.I think that certain frustrations have come to light today, which although not great, means that we have a reference point with which to work from and move forwards. | 18:58 |
| mhall119 | my understanding was that your work was all being done on Unity 2d | 18:58 |
| bobweaver | no it has not mhall119 | 18:58 |
| bobweaver | I have been told 4 different tthings at 4 different points | 18:59 |
| bobweaver | mhall119, let me try to explain something that happened at UDS | 18:59 |
| CrestedNewt | we are about to over-run | 19:00 |
| CrestedNewt | lets take this to the TV channel | 19:00 |
| CrestedNewt | agreed? | 19:00 |
| bobweaver | so I went to will and Jim and said hey I know that you all can not talk to me about things that are happening in the uture but if you see soething just email me saying "that is not a good idea " | 19:00 |
| mhall119 | bobweaver: we can talk in #ubuntu-tv so as not to take up this channel | 19:00 |
| bobweaver | agreeded | 19:00 |
| bobweaver | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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