=== Lexmazter is now known as Lexmazter|zZzZz [00:01] bobweaver: Heh, that was the game that shipped on the htc dream [00:01] Not bad, but laggy [00:01] and the sound would vibrate its motion detection [00:02] they shipped a lagy default app? [00:02] dmd: Meh, android always felt laggy to me [00:03] dmd: Never was too hot on it using java, bloated piece of rubbish [01:10] What do you think for an isometric type on a phone? [01:10] Staggered, or diamond? [01:11] http://static.allegro.cc/image/cache/e/1/e1569f76e9e145a6033e264bbc1e4cb7.png [01:12] isn't that more the coordantes system? [01:12] i'd use staggered since it looks more grid like [01:14] dmd: I am thinking particularly for making the most out of phone realstate [01:14] I assumed staggered [01:14] then it shouldn't make a difference, you can just have the eccess off screen [01:14] dmd: Well of course [01:14] speaking of which, I heard unity is being ported to linux [01:15] yeah but not the dev tools [01:15] maybe someday [01:15] oh, so you can not develope with it? [01:15] bah [01:15] shucks [01:16] you need a mac or windows [01:17] Bah, I have xp installed on this machine. I love how today, I don't have to convince myself that linux is better to use. I simply can't stand windows anymore [01:18] I'm doing a internship at microsoft in 2 months. I'll be using win8 and supporting vista-8, that will be interesting [01:19] its clear from my resume I am open source, yet they still took me [01:19] poor microsoft [01:20] dmd: what are you working on? Are you working at Opentech? [01:20] dmd: I watched a google tech talk with the opensource guy at microsoft [01:21] I'm in sustained engineering, the team maintains exisitng versions of windows [01:21] dmd: It was weird, and he felt weird about it, but to his credit, he has tried to move the company in the right direction. [01:21] Akiva-Thinkpad: do you know the link? That would be interesting [01:21] dmd: let me try google. Its pretty old by now [01:22] probably 2008 [01:22] or maybe it was an open source conference... [01:23] Akiva-Thinkpad: I was just catching up on the messages for today, and if you're starting a project to learn I'm looking for one to help on [01:23] Akiva-Thinkpad: I know very little QML though [01:24] comjf: Well this is a project that I am doing to help me learn it as well. [01:24] Akiva-Thinkpad: nice, do you use github? [01:24] comjf: If you like my concept though, maybe you'll have as much fun as I am having. No, just launchpad. I'll throw myself on that tonight though [01:26] Akiva-Thinkpad: Ah, well I'm working on something right now to learn how to wrap c++ into QML objects, but once you have things set up and an idea let me know. I'd love to work on a project to learn this stuff more. Best way to learn [01:26] https://launchpad.net/~akiva [01:27] I don't know how launchpad works haha, new to ubuntu, but I have one I think and will figure it out [01:27] can you add someone? [01:27] comjf: No doubt. In short, I could describe my idea as a cross between world of tanks, and front mission 1. With historical models to rely on, the content is already written, and with isometric, it should be a cinche to develope. [01:28] comjf: Arch guy? [01:29] Akiva-Thinkpad: arch yeah, how did you know haha [01:29] man archies are taking over [01:30] That is all linux is now. Pragmatic folks use ubuntu, Enthuthiast geeks use arch, JPEG lovers use Fedora, and the rest tend to be mmmm [01:30] well specialized. [01:30] fair [01:30] dmd: I was ubuntu but left last release with this bug that no one cared about haha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1002641 [01:30] Launchpad bug 1002641 in compiz (Ubuntu) "after upgrade to 12.04 amd64 Gnome Classic not properly draw second screen" [Low,Confirmed] [01:30] like that bitcoin distro [01:31] comjf: Ah, yah [01:31] That would make one leave ~ [01:31] I spend about a month trying to get dual screens to work, and couldn't [01:31] yeah but even gnome fallback was not the same [01:31] I feel that's more then a low priority, but it must be something specific to mysetup or hardware [01:31] I had to move on, unity has gotten nice [01:32] dmd: Yes, unity GROWS on you. [01:32] comjf: to expose C++ functionality to QML objects, simply expose the functionality via QObject Q_PROPERTYs and Q_INVOKABLE functions. See http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qtqml/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html for more information. [01:32] comjf: dual screens? Use disper. [01:32] I no longer resent my useless super button [01:33] and for that matter, my capslock neither. Colemak has liberated me! [01:33] chriadam: thanks, I need to figure it out, just started playing with QML yesterday haha. Trying to get my c++ up to snuff first [01:33] multiple windows of the same app open is still painful though [01:33] chriadam: I actually haven't tried dual monitors on 12.10 yet, as this is my laptop not primary machine [01:33] that is one thing I have to say that linux does better than anyone else, is, it lets me set my keyboard layout without a headache. [01:34] my desktop is multimon 12.10 [01:34] no complaints [01:34] dmd: That is good to here [01:34] hear [01:35] anyone have an opinion of system76 products? [01:35] My laptop is a convertible touch tablet, you know, those thinkpads. It really put into perspective allot of the design choices for ubuntu [01:36] for example, the reason why when you scroll windows, a small little side bar pops up wherever your mouse goes. [01:36] comjf: I owned one [01:36] comjf, I have a little sys76 I like it [01:37] comjf: My lappy, as I found out, was basically a refurbished chinese mobo [01:37] which is fine, I don't expect them to make their own hardware [01:37] haha yeah... thinking about getting one. Anyone have a recommended system? [01:37] and it is practical for them to just slap a shell on one of their machines [01:38] my friend just got a thinkpad carbon and he loves it [01:38] comjf: Frankly, I would suggest the thinkpad [01:38] he is using 12.10 with it [01:38] dmd: Really, the carbon?? [01:38] yup [01:38] I was looking at that, seemed interesting. didnt look as durable though [01:38] razer thin thing [01:38] perhaps I am wrong though [01:39] my t510 is way too heavy [01:39] Carbon is lousy on the battery I think though [01:39] if i were to upgrade it would be a carbon or the carbon's successor [01:39] maybe [01:39] the thinkpad x series still steals the show [01:39] aren't they pretty bulky [01:39] what is it, like 18 hour battery lifes [01:40] comjf: They are boxy, but durable. [01:40] yeah [01:40] and the tablet pc is bulkier [01:40] honestly I really would like something with a decent touchpad [01:41] where as the regular x is like 66 percent the size, and 66 percent the weight. [01:41] I have to give credit to apple, they have a great touchpad and OS support for it [01:41] I havent found anyhting even close [01:41] thinkpads have the trackpoint, 10x better than any trackpad [01:41] comjf: Well the lenovos have the best keyboards in the market. :P [01:41] dmd: trackpoint? [01:41] dmd: The little red nub? [01:42] yup [01:42] I bought an x60 tablet for 120 a month ago for my main pc, it has no trackpad, just that nub [01:42] its alright, given the age though, mine sometimes gets stuck on wandering [01:42] a while back my trackpad was deactivating on its own. It took ages for me to notice since I was using the trackpoint without thinking about it [01:43] thinkpads also are spill proof [01:43] Akiva-Thinkpad: ah I know what you mean [01:43] ha ha [01:43] you can fix that by tapping the trackpad [01:43] I don't have a trackpad [01:43] x60 is 2006 [01:43] that might be an issue [01:43] core 2 duo though, and battery is a good 4 hours. [01:43] yah [01:44] lol, for 120 off craigslist, it was a pretty good deal [01:44] fyi, you will usually hook anything you want for 1/4th the asking price on craigslist; you just have to be patient enough [01:45] although, offer too little, and some people will send you fake addresses to go to [01:45] that would be a pain [01:47] thinkpads look pretty good now that I look at them, though, I was interested in system76 simply because it supports linux so much and it's good for the ecology as a whole [01:48] all the thinkpads are sent to canonical to get certified [01:48] comjf: well, they do support the linux action show [01:48] I was just mad that they sold out of their cute 13 inch laptops way back [01:48] yeah and the W530 does look tempting haha [01:48] I also complained yesterday to a lenovo consultant that I could not ship my damn new lenovo if I were to buy one, without windows [01:49] he said they used to do that, but took it away because of the imbeciles calling in and wondering why their computer wasn't working. [01:49] makes sense [01:49] comjf: I'd say get the x series. The battery is bloody unbeatable [01:50] like, were talking 15 hours + [01:50] Akiva-Thinkpad: W has More than 20 hours with a 9-cell slice battery [01:50] the w series is a desktop replacement, I'd skip that [01:50] you'll adjust to a regular laptop screen without issue [01:50] comjf: any interest in touch capability? [01:50] I would like a good graphics card is the only thing [01:50] also skip that [01:50] for games? [01:50] no, dont like touch [01:51] intel's are the best on linux [01:51] I went for a nvidia dedicated on my t510 [01:51] Yah, I really have to hand it to intel [01:51] yes, games (dual boot) and GPU programming [01:51] regret that, all it does is consume for battery [01:51] they are the first chips that don't lag compiz for me [01:51] and that really ticked me off with nvidia and its post throttling [01:52] dmd: the battery life on the newer i7's have been getting progressively worse too [01:53] especially considering they are not adding cores, and they are only improving performance by like 10 percent per year [01:53] why did amd have to drop the ball so hard? [01:53] amd is dead, they never stood a chance [01:53] intel has the fab tech and volume [01:54] interesting to see what the console business does to amd [01:54] dmd: They were better for awhile [01:54] but ati did not pan out [01:54] yup [01:54] AMD licensed ARM I heard [01:54] so [01:54] :P [01:54] arm does not need amd [01:54] arm is only even more compettive [01:54] Arm could replace x86 [01:54] then perfect [01:55] but amd is only of use thanks to their access to x86 patents [01:55] dmd: i am not tremendously familiar with the platform, but I understand it is much leaner [01:55] right, they got some 4000 patents I think [01:55] the key to arm's success is the licensing model [01:56] any one can fab them [01:56] dmd: how is that? [01:56] right [01:56] I am kicking myself now [01:56] I looked into them some time ago [01:56] arm is pulling the same tactic that won the PC for microsoft [01:56] and thought that it would never happen [01:56] and is winning mobile for google [01:57] Google has its own problems, specifically, pissing me off with its ads and search results [01:57] and for not porting sketchup [01:57] about ads, how do I get them off the dash [01:57] I uninstalled amazon but they are still there [01:58] comjf: I forgot about them to be honest [01:58] comjf: in the next release, they are revamping it [01:58] 12.10 is a "Come along for the ride" release, so I'd just say, wait till april [02:00] I don't know, am I being to harsh in saying that system76 laptop models are bland and boring? [02:01] haha possibly [02:01] oh no you didn't! [02:01] I didnt mind my machine, but it didnt take to falling very well [02:01] screen cracked, and yah [02:01] comjf: I was able to get hackintosh running fairly well on it though [02:01] not much innovation, but its more money to the linux ecosystem [02:02] comjf: Thats how I felt [02:02] comjf: just complain to lenovo about their linux offerings [02:02] comjf: Or what about dell? [02:02] not a fan of del [02:02] They have cleaned up their reputation in manny ways [02:03] they screwed my years ago [02:03] yah, years ago they were terrible [02:04] avoid samsung btw, their efi may brick your system if you install ubuntu [02:06] haha ok [02:07] dell to me though is also bland and boring, although those super thin laptops were certainly interesting [02:07] dell needs more time to prove themselves [02:09] dmd: Or a makeover [02:09] Lenovo thinkpads still steal the show for me. BLAND ON PURPOSE, and thus awesome. [02:10] they are not bland they are timeless [02:10] timeless tanks [02:10] yep [02:10] Sad that IBM does not head them anymore [02:10] lenovo has done a fine job [02:10] They have [02:11] except, no linux. And if something goes wrong with my machine, they would reinstall windows. [02:11] And drivers for linux can sometimes be a pain [02:27] mmmm what do you think of this isometric style? http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/games/openttd_ss_3_large.jpg [02:27] simcity 2000! [02:28] dmd: its openttd [02:28] which btw, is so much fun playing online [02:28] its like starcraft, except business oriented [02:28] yeah I've played openttd, bit too complex for me [02:29] but that isometric really reminded me of sim city 200 [02:29] 0 [02:29] dmd: learning curve is tough. After reading tutorials though [02:29] it becomes obsessive [02:29] dmd: One thing I am wondering with this style, is can drop off cliffs be implimented [02:29] wait [02:30] yes yes they can, [02:30] rollercoaster tycoon tells me so [03:33] wow, gimp is impossible with a stylus [03:34] and frustrating with its window scheme [03:34] I have never liked that about gimp [03:34] floating windows always get in my way, and then they get lost [03:46] Akiva-Thinkpad: I think its under the windows menu, you can set it to single-window mode.. as of v 2.8 [03:47] also, I agree.. the floating windows = pain in the butt [03:49] I'm getting my fingers wet with C++ in order to eventually bind it with QML, but strange issue: my program runs, then gives a seg fault. The funny thing is, if I put a print statement as the line right before return 0, it works, so what;s causing the seg fault? === lpotter-bris is now known as lpotter === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ [06:46] help, please. I just bought my Nexus 7 just so I could get Ubuntu on it. It goes black after showing the Ubuntu booting up [06:47] I've tried the Installer, and even a manual install using an older version. [07:01] isaias, what img was that that you tried to install ? [07:01] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/ [07:03] huh kinda late you have tried talking in #ubuntu-arm ? [07:03] they gave me that one [07:04] I think that there is a nexus 7 room [07:06] I am not sure isaias I am sure that someone will come along that has one of them [07:07] i hope they come on soon, lol. i wanted to take it to work xD [10:21] Is there going to be any merges between Ubuntu Phone and Ubuntu for Nexus 7? [10:21] At least in my opinion, even if Nexus 7 has a 1280x800 resolution, it could benefit from a more phone-y / tablet-y UI [10:21] (Oh, and I would be glad to help testing that) === Lexmazter|zZzZz is now known as Lexmazter [10:50] Anyone familiar with installing Ubuntu on Nexus 7? [10:51] I cant seem to get mine working === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [10:55] isaias: probably best asking in #ubuntu-arm [10:57] i did. just hoping someone here could answer since no one there is avaible, and its somewhat the same technology :P [10:57] thank you though :) [10:58] im confused [10:58] is it tehre already? [10:58] :o [10:59] why i get here? [11:07] lecrs: Do a barrel roll === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [12:53] anyone here know how to deal with problems when installing ubuntu on a Nexus 7? My screen goes black after the boot logo [12:57] #ubuntu-arm would be your place [12:57] how long have you left it [12:58] first boot takes a little time [13:07] overnight [13:08] 08:55 there is a bug in the images atm .... being worked on [13:08] 08:55 try again on the weekend [13:08] :( [13:09] thats from #ubuntu-arm [13:42] would anyone be interested in the email client supporting the exchange / activesync protocol? === hema is now known as Guest83027 [14:03] darthmuffins: i think many people would be interested === hema is now known as Guest48764 [14:04] I definitely was hoping so. I love the ubuntu phone platform, and I really would like to see it widely adopted. I think given the slow decline of RIM, some market share is becoming available... maybe [14:04] and if we could get a good exchange client developed, it would help the platform's acceptance a lot [14:06] hi iam hema , i just love this ubuntu phone , and concept behind this [14:07] I just had a nice chat at -arm with a dev about the fate of Nexus7. I was given the impression that the "nexus7 ubuntu" project is actually not intended for end users but as a unity developing tool, so I'm kinda starting to hope that the actual Ubuntu Phone... [14:07] ...OS would support the Nexus 7 as well [14:07] as in, to get the same UI and UX running on n7 as well [14:08] i like to work it on my galaxy ace plus , is there any way to run it , or idea for running it virtually [14:14] I concur about nexus 7 support [14:14] It really has more value if it supports a few form factors, and the flagship google products are a great start [14:14] is there any way running running ubuntu phone os virtually [14:14] The apps i've started for uphone i've made sure they can handle responsive layout changes, like from a phone to a tablet [14:15] there is not so far - its marked 'development' currently, but as I understand it, will be released when its ready [14:16] is there a follow on tutorial once i've completed the currency converter tutorial [14:16] okay how to contribute in development team [14:16] or is it just, here's the api docs have fun [14:17] Guest48764: you can install the sdk [14:17] @wastrel: thats how I understand it. Although the ubuntu SDK just provides some custom QML classes, I'd recommend the QML tutorials if you want more info: [14:17] darthmuffins: Error: "wastrel:" is not a valid command. [14:17] http://doc.qt.digia.com/stable/qml-tutorial.html [14:17] thanks [14:18] guest# - the official dev teams are closed, you can make patches and submit branches though [14:18] wastrel: also, I'd highly recommend learning how to make your own QML classes inside of C++ (using Qt) if you're doing performance intensive applications [14:21] @darthmuffins : thanks , since iam new to this , where i can see the bug list , and how to start?? [14:21] Guest48764: Error: "darthmuffins" is not a valid command. [14:23] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone [14:23] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps [14:23] darthmuffins: i would have to learn C++ first [14:23] those are great places to get started but be warned: the main source for uPhone has not been released yet [14:23] most of the bzr repos are just placeholders, and there are no bugs reported that mean anything yet [14:24] wastrel: lol no worries, just a suggestion, since QML is powerful, but limited [14:24] i've got some C background but never used C++ [14:25] well in 5 seconds: [14:25] - Its easy to make syntactically valid C++ if you know C [14:25] - Designing good C++ code will take you a while [14:25] - The Qt tutorials are excellent if you just want to hack away underneath QML [14:27] suite [14:27] tyvm you're my new favourite [14:28] haha np [14:28] i'm now going to be on here a lot, always as 'darthmuffins' [14:29] hey. any way I can look at the code for anything? xD I just want to see how things are put together. (teaching myself programming) [14:30] isaias: anything specific? === ckpringle__ is now known as ckpringle [14:32] not really. I just want to see how its all put together, even though I wont understand much of it, lol [14:32] isaias: did you do the currency converter tutorial? [14:33] understandable. be aware the source code has not been released by the canonical 'skunkworks' team yet [14:33] wastrel: never heard of it [14:33] http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [14:33] learn QML as well for that [14:34] and javascript [14:35] so Ubuntu phone uses QML and Javascript? [14:36] yeah [14:36] its mainly Qt based [14:36] (obviously there is a native renderer, but they haven't released details about it yet) [14:37] hi all, Ubuntu for phone will have the same security than Ubuntu for PCs ??? [14:38] darthmuffins: hehehe, thanks. [14:39] darthmuffins: what exactly can you provide for extended email support? do you have library/app/ideas? [14:40] rusian: I can provide a github account where I will be doing development (its quite barren at the moment) [14:41] my company intends to provide an exchange client for ubuntu phone. whether we provide it as a standalone application, integrate it with the existing email client, etc has not been decided yet. [14:42] https://github.com/veridianenterprises [14:42] activesync is what mobile devices typically support afaik [14:42] versus mapi, correct? [14:42] correct [14:42] ja [14:42] i use davmail on my linux to get my exchange mail [14:42] it is not bad [14:43] java iirc [14:43] cool, thanks for the reference [14:43] I'll take a look at it [14:43] yw [14:43] any reference about ubuntu_phone security ?? [14:44] NickCell: it's early days, i don't know that there's much info about anything yet [14:44] nick: more specifically... what? [14:44] much less specifics about specific [14:44] i've read there's nothing like android intents currently but maybe in the future [14:45] it depends on what you mean by 'security' [14:45] So, the security will be the same than Ubuntu for PCs, for example, with root account ?? [14:46] yep, based on a very similar kernel to the upstream android one [14:47] ok. [14:54] Hi guys, more core apps mockups have posted, this time from Canonical's Design Team: http://design.canonical.com/2013/02/app-patterns-applied-core-utilities-for-ubuntu-on-phones/ [15:00] thanks! [15:06] any official release date for the phone? [15:12] Mark Shuttleworth has said a few times he's planning on Oct '13 [15:12] (for a finished product) [15:24] Heh, I am having a great time planning this game [15:25] I think it will be a great hit, and pretty straightforward to program assuming I can get a decent isometric engine [15:27] I am thinking I will call it "World of Tactics" [15:30] are there no iso engines for linux? (idk much about the game industry) [15:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible_Isometric_Free_Engine [15:31] (warning: might be off topic for this, sorry) [15:33] is it called "grumpy avians" [15:33] darthmuffins: All I want is the capabilities of the Rollercoaster tycoon terrain, ie, slopes and drop off cliffs. The source code for one of these should not be too hard to find. Openttd after all is all scratch [15:33] oh nvm [15:34] darthmuffins: I was looking at that, I havn't decided what I want to go with yet [15:34] i got you. I think games will be very important for the success of the uphone, so I'm glad we've got some devs [15:34] I am just right now trying to define the rules of the game [15:35] darthmuffins: Uphone [15:35] heh [15:35] Umake that up? [15:35] very encouraging. I really think a successful app marketplace with premium games will help vault it into mainstream, hopefully more sales numbers than the USC [15:35] uPhone... lol [15:36] yeah, not like someone else probably hasn't called it that tho [15:36] darthmuffins: Well it might be good branding [15:36] better than calling it an iphone or android "Killer" [15:36] yeah, I'm going to keep calling it the uPhone [15:37] Calling something "Killer" is usually indicative of wishful thinking [15:37] darthmuffins: What about, "The Shuttleworth" [15:37] lol [15:37] Hey, let me grab my shuttleworth, and dock on to your computer [15:38] while pretty awesome sounding, i feel like that wouldn't help the platform [15:39] anyways, my game is going to be a cross between World of tanks and Front Mission. I think I will make it partly turn based in order to compensate for the phone. [15:39] darthmuffins: Ubuntu is really strange branding. Its memorable, but it doesnt roll off the tongue. [15:39] cool. QML and js? [15:40] avkiva: I sort of agree. I like the name, but it does have drawbacks to the masses, imo [15:40] Mmmm, I'll probably put it in python first, and then convert it appropriately. [15:40] uPhone is cool though [15:41] you'll have to look into how, the ubuntu sdk only provides easy rendering using their QML classes, but we really just need to have a look at the full source before getting a good idea [15:41] uphone is though, unoriginal. The letter has been done to death. First the e's, then the i's, and now the u's? [15:42] haha i know, but its also: [15:42] clear [15:42] concise [15:42] simple [15:42] True, [15:42] idk, its just what i've been calling it to type less lol [15:42] Linux was a good choice for the os name [15:43] affirmative [15:43] I forget what Linus wanted to call it, but I remember it being really dumb [15:43] Slackware I think remains the coolest distro name. Too bad ubuntu isnt using that as its platform [15:43] Let me grab my slacks [15:44] Slackphone [15:44] slackware is cool [15:45] if up to me, i'd keep it branded ubuntu something though, since the whole point is to provide a desktop OS in the mobile device, and ubuntu has a very strong desktop OS following already [15:45] The animals were a cool idea [15:46] they rejected my idea for J though, "Jumping J. Edgar Hoover" [15:46]