[00:00] <phillw> he he SergioMeneses I've only just had https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Launchpad as being installed fully :)
[00:01]  * SergioMeneses does click
[00:01] <SergioMeneses> phillw, wait me for a while, dinner time here
[00:13] <SergioMeneses> phillw, I'm back
[00:14] <phillw> good, I'm just zsycning up another iso. (I'm on a slow link).
[00:14] <SergioMeneses> phillw, maybe you could add any reference to bazaar-explorer
[00:15] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I'm the guinea pig for balloons to learn this from a standing start :) If I can follow it, anyone can :D
[00:16] <SergioMeneses> phillw, lol
[00:21] <phillw> as long as no one asks me to make a new SSH key, I should be okay :P
[00:25] <SergioMeneses> you can do it by seahorse, it is too easy :)
[00:28] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I have an SSH key and also signed CoC, sort of things you only do once, and mine was a couple of years ago :)
[00:32] <SergioMeneses> jejejeje
[00:32] <SergioMeneses> balloons, around?
[00:39] <SergioMeneses> phillw, balloons https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses/ubuntu-manual-tests/newstep2/+merge/148585
[00:40] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I'm not yet upto speed on approving merges. It is on my task for this weekend now that the classroom sessions are completed.
[00:41] <SergioMeneses> phillw, jejeje ok ok, so I will let for balloons
[00:43] <phillw> SergioMeneses: smartboyhw should be along during the next few hours.
[00:46] <SergioMeneses> you're right phillw , if I still here I'll do it
[00:47] <phillw> SergioMeneses: this is simple bug fix we talked about earlier?
[00:49] <SergioMeneses> phillw, what bug? we talk about a lot of bugs today
[00:50] <phillw> SergioMeneses: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses/ubuntu-manual-tests/newstep2/+merge/148585
[00:51] <SergioMeneses> phillw, it is about testcases
[00:51] <SergioMeneses> you can read my commentary, even I add a picture
[00:51] <phillw> where the $HOME entry simply needed a tweak to wiork?
[00:51] <phillw> *work*
[00:52] <phillw> does it now work?
[00:53] <SergioMeneses> phillw, yes it is... I mean it works but display a warning message about the folder Templates
[00:53] <SergioMeneses> I was using ubuntu-daily-iso
[00:53] <phillw> and before? did it just completely fail?
[00:54] <phillw> what is the improvement in the fix you have proposed?
[00:55] <SergioMeneses> phillw, change: Type touch "$HOME/Templates/Empty Document.txt"
[00:55] <SergioMeneses> to Type touch "$HOME/Document.txt"
[00:58] <phillw> and, what difference does that make?
[01:39] <SergioMenesesAFK> ping
[01:40] <SergioMeneses> SergioMenesesAFK, pong
[01:40] <SergioMeneses> :)
[02:35] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, ping
[02:40] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I've set it back to 'approved', alegedly LP will pick it up and merge it.
[02:41] <SergioMeneses> phillw, perfect! thanks
[02:42] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I was diverted on my travels to ask about getting VBox 4.2 into raring before the deadline goes past :)
[02:43] <phillw> and updating my various ISO's that I 'worry' about :)
[02:46] <SergioMeneses> :O
[02:47] <phillw> I had an issue with the server iso, not many people bother to test these ones, similar to getting the alternate ones tested :)
[03:00] <SergioMeneses> sorry phillw Im attending a meeting of my loco-team maybe I can help you with aternative isos
[03:01] <phillw> is no problem... I'm just off to bed... 0300 UTC here!
[03:03] <SergioMeneses> 22:03 here
[07:02] <pitti> Good morning
[07:43] <jibel> good morning
[08:24] <dholbach> good morning
[08:52] <pitti> jibel: oh joy, colord-gtk checks hang again eternally
[08:52]  * pitti kils
[08:53] <jibel> pitti, I finish something on unity auto uploads and will push my patch to rabisu
[08:53] <pitti> jibel: no worries, just keeping you informed; I'm watching this thing like a hawk these days anyway :)
[09:16] <pitti> jibel: ooh - may it be that until two days ago we didn't have so many test failurse because we weren't running them?
[09:16] <pitti> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/JHBuild%20Gnome/job/jhbuild-amd64-clutter/72/artifact/clutter.log
[09:16] <pitti> e. g. that was the last known "success" of clutter
[09:17] <pitti> or https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/JHBuild%20Gnome/job/jhbuild-amd64-gtk--2/54/artifact/gtk+-2.log
[09:18] <pitti> same for nautilus
[09:18] <pitti> jibel: sounds related to your recent re-addition of -f ?
[09:24] <jibel> pitti, hm hm
[09:25] <jibel> pitti, so looking at the jobs that passed jhbuild didn't trigger the make check because the build was already successful
[09:25] <jibel> pitti, you're right it's the re-addition of -f that caused this.
[10:48] <pitti> jibel: ok, thanks for confirming
[10:54] <pitti> jibel: I informed desktop-devel@
[11:31] <pitti> jibel: seems quite some crashes are due to missing XRandR in xorg (cheese, clutter)
[11:31] <pitti> and presumably more
[11:32] <pitti> jibel: I'll update my xrandr-enabled xvfb in my PPA and try that, ok?
[11:32] <jibel> pitti, no problem
[11:33] <pitti> seems easier than setting up a full Xorg. with dummy driver, as then we again need the magic to automatically determine $DISPLAY, clean up, etc.
[11:46] <pitti> jibel: hm, doesn't help much; they just fail further on about missing 3D
[12:44] <jibel> pitti, the test should just be skipped if requirements are not met then
[12:44] <pitti> jibel: *nod*
[12:45] <pitti> jibel: there are also some tests which assume a runnign session daemon
[12:45] <pitti> perhaps at some point we should run this under a full X.org with LLVM and system d-bus, that might help in a lot of cases
[12:46] <pitti> jibel: FYI, I did some quick classification of the failures: bhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1657237/
[12:46] <jibel> pitti, in that case we'll need a real desktop machine not a server with a low end graphics card
[12:47] <pitti> jibel: i. e. there are at least 5 which stumble over network restrictions, and about two or probably 3 which need 3D, about two which need dbus, and the rest is just plain broken
[12:48] <pitti> jibel: really? I thought kvm emulated a good enough graphics card for llvmpipe
[12:48] <pitti> oh hang on, it's LXC, not kvm
[12:49] <jibel> right, I can move the whole thing to kvm
[15:03] <SergioMeneses> morning
[15:18] <pitti> jibel: so dvcs_mirror_dir (http://developer.gnome.org/jhbuild/unstable/config-reference.html) was what I was mentioning during our talk
[15:19] <pitti> jibel: but I don't think that this is actually our problem; it's the number of modules which is killing us, not really the time for an individual git pull (which most of the time doesn't pull anything anyway)
[16:27] <balloons> SergioMenesesAFK, phillw ping
[16:33] <SergioMeneses> balloons, pong
[16:33] <balloons> SergioMeneses, saw your change.. wondering why you changed it
[16:33] <balloons> if it doesn't go in the templates folder, it won't make a template
[16:34] <SergioMeneses> balloons, but the Template folder doesnt exit
[16:35] <balloons> are you on a non-english install?
[16:35] <balloons> maybe it's called something.. it should exist
[16:36] <balloons> you won't get a new document submenu otherwise
[16:36] <balloons> or do you?
[16:36] <balloons> I don't if I don't add the file there
[16:37] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I tested with the daily iso... let me check again, did you approve the merge?
[16:37] <SergioMeneses> it was as proposed
[16:41] <balloons> phillw did, but left me a note about it
[16:41] <balloons> seems he was confused or somethng?
[16:41] <balloons> I got really confused by the whole thng
[16:41] <balloons> :-)
[16:42] <SergioMeneses> dont worry
[17:05] <balloons> I'm not sure what the best course of action is for doing things in english
[17:05] <balloons> not every testcase has to be that way
[17:06] <balloons> just the ones with english strings
[17:07] <SergioMeneses> balloons, we add a short note
[17:07] <SergioMeneses> like a recommendation
[17:07] <balloons> well,  mean we could change the testcase to read and have it apply to whatever folder in your locale
[17:07] <balloons> I mean, if your on spanish, what's the string for 'template'?
[17:07] <balloons> you have a template folder
[17:08] <SergioMeneses> balloons, Template -> Plantillas
[17:08] <balloons> ok, so if you do $HOME/plantillas/Empty Document.txt?
[17:09] <SergioMeneses> but we can add a note like:  we should use the English language
[17:10] <balloons> SergioMeneses, well, I was saying we could also simply say or provide translated strings
[17:10] <SergioMeneses> $HOME/Plantillas/Empty Document.txt
[17:10] <balloons> in general I try and avoid forcing language
[17:10] <SergioMeneses> balloons, kk
[17:10] <balloons> or we could come up with a different way to do that part
[17:10] <balloons> you get the point
[17:10] <balloons> :-)
[17:12] <SergioMeneses> sure... I think my solution is better, because the file will be in our home directly
[17:34] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I have to go out but you can let me a message by SergioMenesesAFK
[17:34] <balloons> SergioMeneses, yep
[17:34] <SergioMeneses> see you later guys!
[17:34] <balloons> dl'ing the daily
[17:34] <balloons> it's taking forever to zsync oddly
[17:34] <SergioMeneses> balloons, jajajaja
[18:43] <balloons> cprofitt, ping
[18:58] <balloons> SergioMeneses, aha
[18:59] <balloons> XDG_TEMPLATE_DIR variable
[18:59] <balloons> that's what the test should use
[19:00] <SergioMeneses> balloons, \o
[19:00] <balloons> I was trying to find which one  it was for a bit
[19:01] <SergioMeneses> sounds pretty well... so how is the final direction?
[19:03] <balloons> well
[19:06] <phillw> balloons: thanks for the bug and reply to email
[19:06] <balloons> yw
[19:06] <balloons> SergioMeneses, not sure.. doesn't look like it's actually set sadly
[19:07] <balloons> cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[19:07] <SergioMeneses> o0
[19:08] <SergioMeneses> balloons, nice!
[19:08] <balloons> but what's it say for you?
[19:09] <SergioMeneses> balloons, in Spanish language?
[19:09] <balloons> your template dir is different I'd guess
[19:09] <SergioMeneses> XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="$HOME/Plantillas"
[19:09] <balloons> yep
[19:09] <SergioMeneses> i think it would be $HOME/Templates for you
[19:10] <SergioMeneses> right?
[19:10] <balloons> is the variable still called ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[19:10] <balloons> sorry
[19:10] <balloons> called XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR?
[19:10] <balloons> t should be
[19:10] <SergioMeneses> yes! it is the same: same@quantal:~$ cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[19:11] <SergioMeneses> it is from my laptop
[19:11] <balloons> yep.. said thing is, it's not an env variable seemingly, like I thought
[19:11] <balloons> it's not set
[19:12] <balloons> that said, we could make a crazy command line that would parse it out automatically
[19:12] <balloons> but that's hacky
[19:12] <balloons> I'm missing something
[19:17] <SergioMeneses> balloons, is there not a global reference to that directory? and why we have to create the file into that directory
[19:17] <balloons> we have to create a file in there because otherwise the template doesn't exist
[19:17] <balloons> it used to exist by default
[19:17] <balloons> anyways, we'll just be hacky I guess
[19:18] <balloons> someone else has to know the slck way to do this
[19:22] <SergioMeneses> balloons, let me see what I can do to fix it
[19:29] <balloons> i suck today
[19:29] <balloons> cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | grep XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR |sed -n '/XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="/,/"/p'
[19:35] <balloons> cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | grep XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR |sed 's/XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR=\"\(.*\)\"/\1/'
[19:37] <SergioMeneses> second works
[20:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hi
[20:51] <balloons> hello
[20:51] <balloons> how are you Letozaf_ ?
[20:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, fine and you ?
[20:51] <balloons> good good
[20:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, for bug 1124523 it happened again only once the first time I booted my PC and tried the amd64 ISO
[20:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, couldn't reproduce it
[20:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's a very strange bug
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, I tried rebooting my PC, closing and re-opening Virtualbox but I cannot
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, find out what triggers it
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, but it happened twice
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, yesterday and today
[20:55] <phillw> Letozaf_: ubiquity on 13.04? I can try to replicate with KVM / virt-manager
[20:55] <phillw> I'm just re-syncing my isos
[20:56] <Letozaf_> phillw, ok thanks, but its a weird bug :D
[20:56] <phillw> I'll pull up the desktop one next
[20:57] <Letozaf_> phillw, the strange thing is that both yesterday and today the bug occurred the first time I tried the ISO on Virtualbox as was unable to reproduce it afterwards
[20:58] <phillw> Letozaf_: I have VBox (4.2) and virt-manager on my system. I'll use the KVM one 1st as I'm more familiar with it.
[20:58] <Letozaf_> phillw, ok
[20:58] <phillw> I'll be usinng the lubuntu desktop system, as that is what I test. Ubiquity is the same across all.
[21:00] <Letozaf_> phillw, fine
[21:00]  * xnox couldn't reproduce with ubuntu cd today
[21:01] <xnox> phillw: note that while ubiquity is the same the desktop session & window manager and spawned processes are different on lubuntu
[21:01] <balloons> oh rght
[21:01] <balloons> my iso is finally synced
[21:01] <balloons> i have to test this
[21:02] <Letozaf_> xnox, :( I cannot understand what triggers this bug I've tried quite everything until now, If you guys have any ideas I'm ready to try them
[21:02] <balloons> i usually manually boot it
[21:02] <balloons> ok, yes I got the load screen
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes when it happened to me I pressed F12 and selected "C" to make the VM start from the ISO
[21:04] <balloons> ok look
[21:04] <balloons> that time it went straght in
[21:04] <balloons> lol
[21:05] <phillw> Letozaf_: is that choosing install from the 1st boot?
[21:05] <Noskcaj> Letozaf_, every time it happens, does the ubiquity-dm crash appear too
[21:05] <phillw> as opposed to 'try' and then install
[21:06] <balloons> yea
[21:06] <balloons> so if I reset the vm, it will load without the "install" or "try" screen each time
[21:07] <Noskcaj> phillw, it happens in lubuntu as well
[21:07] <phillw> Letozaf_: balloons I got the standard boot screen asking if I wanted to try or install.
[21:07] <Noskcaj> and the -dm crash appears
[21:07] <balloons> i get that screen on first boot
[21:07] <phillw> Noskcaj:  ^^
[21:08] <balloons> if I then reset the machine it won't appear
[21:08] <balloons> on any subsequent reboot
[21:09] <phillw> Let me try with VBox 4.2 and see what it does. KVM / virt-manager does load, but if I choose 'install' it launches it in live (try) mode. Is this the issue that you see?
[21:09] <balloons> yep.. tried t several times
[21:09] <Letozaf_> phillw, Noskcaj balloons yes I get the ubiquity-dm crash every time
[21:09] <balloons> let's try kvm or something now
[21:10] <balloons> no crash here
[21:10] <Noskcaj> Letozaf_, is it a duplicate then, our are they just related?
[21:10] <phillw> balloons: I'm on KVM, when I select 'install' I actually get the live version launched.
[21:10] <balloons> lol
[21:10] <balloons> will testdrve not launch lvm?
[21:11] <phillw> that is with a completely new machine (so new, that the disk area I just created is called Letozaf)
[21:11] <Noskcaj> balloons, it launches kvm, Vbox or parralells
[21:11] <balloons> phillw, original
[21:11] <Letozaf_> phillw, :D
[21:12] <phillw> Letozaf_: I already have a l-raring VM, so needed a new name :)
[21:12] <Letozaf_> phillw, lol
[21:13] <balloons> hmm
[21:13] <balloons> qemu hates me I guess
[21:13] <balloons> Noskcaj, lvm=kvm.. typing=!balloons
[21:14] <phillw> right, so where are we up to? I select 'install' and get the live boot
[21:15] <Letozaf_> phillw, when it happened to me the welcome window where you are asked to install or try Ubuntu was skipped and I booted directly into live
[21:15] <phillw> Letozaf_: I do get the option, but if I choose install, I get the live version with kvm
[21:15] <Letozaf_> phillw, I will try again
[21:16] <balloons> ohh.. more fine stuff
[21:20] <Letozaf_> phillw, with Ubuntu Desktop amd64 ISO on a new VM it just booted fine this time and selecting "Install Ubuntu" took me to the "preparing to install Ubuntu" window :(
[21:22] <phillw> Letozaf_: balloons I get the option to choose install or try on the boot screen with VBox 4.2, but it boots into live mode.
[21:23] <Letozaf_> phillw, balloons Noskcaj it happened !!!!
[21:23] <balloons> phillw, hit host+r
[21:23] <phillw> even if I select 'try'
[21:23]  * balloons digs out usb key
[21:23] <balloons> let's try this on a real box
[21:23] <balloons> see what fun can be had
[21:23] <Letozaf_> guys it happened again this is the third time
[21:24] <Letozaf_> but don't ask me what triggered it  I booted the VM like I did another 10 times now
[21:24] <Letozaf_> and I've got the crash too
[21:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe I can attach some log files to the bug report
[21:26] <phillw> I do not see a crash, just that it ignores my choosing 'install' and goes instead into 'try'.
[21:26] <phillw> now I know why I prefer alternate :D
[21:26]  * balloons doesn't get a crash
[21:26] <balloons> :-(
[21:26] <Letozaf_> phillw, I got /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm
[21:28] <Noskcaj> Letozaf_, already a bug
[21:29] <balloons> ok, so it's copying to the usb.. I can't find the fast drive :-(
[21:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, phillw can this help http://paste.ubuntu.com/1659776/
[21:31] <Letozaf_> I copied the /var/crash file and pasted it in pastebin
[21:34] <phillw> Letozaf_: I've asked on -release to see if there is ubiquity person about.
[21:34] <Letozaf_> phillw, did you see the pastebin ?
[21:34] <balloons> xnox is probably out for the week.. I think he mentioned he couldn't make it happen.. aka reproduce
[21:34] <balloons> we should carry it as far a possible before bugging him
[21:34] <phillw> *ubiquity*,
[21:34] <balloons> try and get it down to a science on reproducing.. if we can
[21:35] <balloons> wow
[21:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, today I rebooted the VM like 10 before it occured again and I still do not understan what triggered it
[21:35] <phillw> balloons: I do not see it in KVM or VBox 4.2
[21:35] <balloons> this drive is SO slow.. it's STILL copyng
[21:35] <balloons> 8 mins and counting
[21:35] <phillw> I can keep trying with them until I get a crash
[21:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, the pastebin link I think there is something in there that can help
[21:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, could you read it ?
[21:37] <balloons> I saw the link
[21:38] <balloons> that happened on load?
[21:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[21:38] <balloons> can you file a ubuntu-bug after the crash?
[21:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will copy it again from the VM to my PC and file a bug
[21:39] <balloons> I think Noskcaj_AFK filed one? not sure.. we can dupe it if so. but yea, getting the crash in there would be good
[21:39] <balloons> 12 mins and counting copying this image
[21:40] <balloons> I think I'm going to just buy a new flash drive.. sad I lose things :-)
[21:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, I've got a little problem the If I click on the crash file to report a bug I do not have permissions
[21:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, as I am ubuntu user
[21:45] <Letozaf_> balloons, yesss got it I-m reporting a bug
[21:45] <phillw> balloons: Letozaf_ : (21:41:57) phillw: slangasek: we're trying to get it able to be reproducable, but there is a crash report. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1659776/ Nicholas is trying it on real machine, as it is only seen intermitantly on VM's.
[21:45] <phillw> (21:43:16) slangasek: phillw: where is the crash report?
[21:45] <phillw> (21:43:38) phillw: slangasek: on that link?
[21:45] <phillw> (21:43:40) slangasek: rather: why is this crash report in a pastebin, rather than submitted to errors.ubuntu.com / launchpad?
[21:45] <phillw> (21:44:28) phillw: slangasek: we're still trying to get a reproducable crash, as a bug that happens something like 1 in 10, is going to be really hard on the devs.
[21:45] <phillw> (21:44:43) slangasek: phillw: having this in a pastebin instead of in launchpad is worse
[21:45] <phillw> (21:45:04) slangasek: step 1) submit the crash report, step 2) figure out how to reproduce it :)
[21:46] <phillw> get the bug filed.
[21:46] <Letozaf_> phillw, I'm reporting the bug now
[21:48] <balloons> almost 20 mins.. it's still copying
[21:48] <balloons> rofl
[21:48] <Letozaf_> phillw, the bug is 1126671
[21:49] <balloons> bug 1126671
[21:49] <balloons> ^^ ?
[21:49] <phillw> ??
[21:49] <balloons> bug 1126671
[21:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's a private bug # 1126671
[21:49] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh
[21:50] <balloons> you can make unprivate yourself if you wish
[21:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, :-P
[21:50] <balloons> assuming you don't care about user/pass
[21:50] <balloons> and other data
[21:50] <balloons> I assumenot
[21:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, of course not :D
[21:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, now its public
[21:51] <Letozaf_> bug # 1126671
[21:51] <phillw> bug 1126671
[21:51] <phillw> ??
[21:51] <SergioMeneses> hey hey
[21:52] <balloons> ah-hah
[21:52] <balloons> that's the bug report
[21:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's a duplicate
[21:52] <balloons> so Noskcaj_AFK didn't file.. no wonder I couldn't find
[21:53] <phillw> I've put affects me to bug 1123798 as I also see it.
[21:54] <phillw> not sure why I was not notified, I am supposed to get all bugs for lubuntu.
[21:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, can I turn the VM off or do you think you need some more info from it
[21:55] <Letozaf_> ?
[21:55] <phillw> Letozaf_: are you using VBox or KVM?
[21:56] <Letozaf_> phillw, Virtualbox
[21:56] <balloons> just copy out /var/log and /var/crash
[21:56] <phillw> Letozaf_: balloons : (21:55:23) phillw: not sure why I didn't get that one as it lubuntu named.
[21:56] <phillw> (21:55:44) slangasek: phillw: yep - one of the advantages of getting the crash report filed is that the dupe checker gets a crack at it ;)
[21:56] <phillw> (21:56:12) phillw: slangasek: thanks boss :)
[21:56] <balloons> but I think your ok Letozaf_
[21:57] <balloons> safe to just shut it off
[21:57] <phillw> I guess steve is re-telling us to 'file the bug!!!!'
[21:57] <balloons>  give on this drive
[21:57] <balloons> 30 mins and still copying
[21:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok so I will just shut it off
[21:59] <Letozaf_> ok guys going to bed, it's late here :D thanks for the fun :D
[21:59] <phillw> I'll re-try with kvm an see if i can catch a crash report.
[21:59] <phillw> Letozaf_: quiet dreams, take care.
[21:59] <balloons> night Letozaf_ !
[22:00] <Letozaf_> phillw, balloons thanks 'night
[22:00] <balloons> 811597824 bytes (812 MB) copied, 1830.05 s, 443 kB/s
[22:00] <balloons> 30.5 mins
[22:00] <balloons> :-p
[22:00] <balloons> pretty sure it's a usb 1.1 drive :-)
[22:05] <phillw> balloons: slangasek is also going to try to reproduce using ubuntu, the 1st thought was that it was just lubuntu, but Noskcaj_AFK says it also affects ubuntu.
[22:07] <balloons> i'm using ubuntu.. it's going to be SLOW booting too
[22:07] <balloons> I shoulda just burned a cd
[22:10] <phillw> I'll start a new kvm on my system with lubuntu and then stop it. I can look to see if there is anything in /var.
[22:11] <balloons> k, booted on real kite to the screne
[22:11] <balloons> no crash
[22:11] <balloons> click try or install?
[22:11] <phillw> i will click try, but it still takes me to try.
[22:11] <balloons> ?
[22:12] <phillw> so, that is being ignored.
[22:20] <slangasek> phillw: so, trying to boot the lubuntu daily, I never get to an X screen at all
[22:21] <slangasek> phillw: and I do see noise in logs about org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit; it seems that dbus is trying to activate consolekit and can't, because there's already an instance running
[22:24] <phillw> slangasek: hmm, I do see a pause when selecting 'install' but it does drop me into 'try'. I'm trying to see if I can get any logs. I can only use KVM on my dedi server so that I can pull in the ubuntu-dekstop image... it would take several hours for me to try here as the link is slow.
[22:25]  * balloons is booting again
[22:25] <phillw> shutdown signal from the VM is not working.
[22:27] <slangasek> hmm, whatever problem I'm having with X is a VM video problem
[22:29] <balloons> i tried several times
[22:29] <balloons> everything works for me
[22:33] <slangasek> I just switched from cirrus to vga video, now I get X with the 'System program problem detected' prompt
[22:34] <slangasek> however, console isn't working and I see nothing on the desktop that lets me launch a terminal
[22:36] <phillw> slangasek: once I go into the live session, it is asking me the usual questions of an install. Albeit slowly as i only allocated it 512Mb RAM.
[22:42] <phillw> slangasek: with kvm in 12.10, it is a known issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1080674
[22:43] <phillw> I do shrug as to when it will get fixed?
[22:45] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I'm still working with the line code :S
[22:47] <balloons> :-)
[22:51] <balloons> howdy ssbob
[22:56] <ssbob> hey
[22:56] <ssbob> anyone know of a reason why edubuntu won't allow me to login after install. Error on the screen but flashes so fast I can't see it.
[22:58] <phillw> ssbob: I do not, but /j #edubuntu
[22:58] <phillw> they will be able to answer questions.
[22:58] <balloons> ^^
[22:58] <ssbob> alright I will give it a shot
[22:59] <ssbob> trying to test 13.04 but can't get back in after the install ... thanks I will let you know
[22:59] <phillw> ssbob: I've also joined that channel, so will listen to what they say.
[23:00] <ssbob> ok cool
[23:01] <balloons> awesome
[23:02] <ssbob> the edubuntu installer asks a few more questions than the test case indicates ... is that something that needs a bug? questions were straight forward but not mentioned.
[23:02] <ssbob> I assumed it is ok and did not file a bug, but wanted to ask (being the testing noob)
[23:05] <phillw> ssbob: please file a bug.
[23:06] <phillw> ah, I see one of the guys on edubuntu is chatting with you now :)
[23:07] <ssbob> interestingly enough when I fired up the vbox session for edubuntu it defaulted to gnome fallback and that was the one that was kicking me back to the login screen.
[23:08] <ssbob> when I selected ubuntu then it worked
[23:08] <phillw> ssbob: the guy who answered you is very knowlegeable :)
[23:09] <ssbob> hmm so of the 3 options (GNOME Fallback, GNOME Fallback (No effects), and Ubuntu), the last 2 works fine but the first does not.
[23:09] <phillw> ssbob: I'd still suggest filing a bug with that information, so that others will be aware of it.
[23:10] <ssbob> yeah phillw, on it.
[23:10] <phillw> post the bug number up on #edubuntu so that the guys can track it.
[23:11] <ssbob> roger that
[23:13] <ssbob> balloons, what is the best way to find the correct location for filing bugs against edubuntu. There was not a link to it on the testcase page. I am sure there is a nifty trick for it :)
[23:14] <phillw> ssbob: it is after install but before you choose the system to use?
[23:15] <ssbob> after install, yes
[23:15] <ssbob> would that be edubuntu-meta on launchpad?
[23:17] <phillw> ssbob: have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/Install_Bugs That gives a good guide
[23:18] <phillw> ssbob: I think it would be xorg if the other Desktop systems work okay.
[23:19] <ssbob> based on the page you sent, I would agree.
[23:19] <phillw> ssbob: I'm just asking :)
[23:20] <ssbob> oh I thought it was a statement, yes. The installer finished fine, the os boots, seems to me to be related to xorg.
[23:21] <phillw> well, the guy who replied is very experienced. When in doubt... ASK :D
[23:22] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ssbob balloons Does this command work on your system?
[23:22] <SergioMeneses> touch `cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | grep XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR |sed 's/XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR=\"\(.*\)\"/\1/'`/Document.txt
[23:23] <ssbob> touch: cannot touch ‘$HOME/Templates/Document.txt’: No such file or directory
[23:23] <ssbob> I don't have a templates directory under $HOME
[23:24] <phillw> ssbob: did you get the message from edubuntu?
[23:24] <SergioMeneses> ssbob, and:
[23:24] <SergioMeneses> echo `cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | grep XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR |sed 's/XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR=\"\(.*\)\"/\1/'`
[23:24] <ssbob> $HOME/Templates
[23:24] <SergioMeneses> mmmm
[23:25] <SergioMeneses> I'm getting crazy /o\
[23:27] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I'm going to suggest a channel for coding... it gives me a headache :(
[23:28] <SergioMeneses> phillw, neh
[23:28] <SergioMeneses> phillw, it is not too large
[23:28] <SergioMeneses> me hides
[23:29] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I'm okay with cat, and grep, but sed gives me a headache :)
[23:29] <phillw> which is even worse, as about 25 years ago, i used it!