[02:37] <phillw> cjwatson: or anyone from Ubuntu Developers, any idea how I go about getting the 4.2 into raring? the link on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/4.1.22-dfsg-0ubuntu2 does not exist.
[08:27] <didrocks> infinity: we have a tentative fix for the hanging (using the same groupid for all things that are launched by dbus-test-runner) so that nothing stall once killed. Just published to the distro (in 3 minutes)
[08:27] <didrocks> infinity: keep us posted if you see more hanging
[11:49] <davmor2> Hey guys quick question about the final release will we be promoting the 64bit version over the 32bit version this time?  Being as it contains the secure boot stuff.
[11:50] <xnox> davmor2: we are releasing both images and both are in the same location.
[11:50] <xnox> davmor2: w.r.t. which one should be the default download button on the www.ubuntu.com website, this can be discussed on ubuntu-devel mailing list.
[11:51] <xnox> (there was a big thread around 12.04 release and there was one recent one)
[11:51] <xnox> davmor2: uefi/secureboot is not the default across many machines, and practically all of them either use bios by default or can toggle to use bios.
[11:52] <davmor2> xnox: okay I was just wondering I can see people grabbing the recommended version and then not being able to install it due to secureboot was all :)
[11:52] <xnox> we are pushing warnings to the website indicating that UEFI/SecureBoot machines should choose 64-bit edition
[11:53] <davmor2> xnox: ah right that is pretty cool then
[11:53] <cjwatson> they're already there
[11:54] <cjwatson> as of yesterday
[14:37] <infinity> didrocks: Danke.
[15:09] <ev> I don't suppose anyone has the power to unblock me from #ubuntu-devel
[15:11] <xnox> !ircops ^
[15:11] <ubot2> Factoid 'ircops ^' not found
[15:11] <xnox> !ircops
[15:11] <ubot2> Factoid 'ircops' not found
[15:12]  * xnox can't remember the right command
[15:12] <xnox> ev: ping folks on #ubuntu-irc channel
[15:12] <xnox> they have magic powers
[15:13] <cjwatson> I should have
[15:13] <ev> but they're unclean
[15:13] <cjwatson> Let me just try to remember how
[15:13] <ev> cheers
[15:13] <ev> is this going to be a bedknobs and broomsticks moment?
[15:14] <cjwatson> ?
[15:15] <ev> oh, I had assumed this was a staple of the standard british upbringing
[15:15] <ev> trying to remember the correct spell
[15:15] <ev> I guess it was a poor joke at best :)
[15:16] <cjwatson> ev: try now?
[15:17] <cjwatson> ev: I'm not actually sure you weren't already unbanned
[15:24] <davmor2> ev: I'm not sure it was a good metaphor without a scene notation, you americans so much to learn still :)
[15:24] <ev> :)
[15:25] <davmor2> ev: I'd forgiven you if you had gone for, cjwatson so unblocking me will be like Mary Poppins Carpet Bag, all magic and unexplainable ;)
[15:34] <xnox> davmor2: why like yoda, you speak? (RE: you americans so much to learn still)
[15:35] <davmor2> xnox: Yoda is the master the Americans are the pupils, much to learn they have still hmmmmmmm :)
[21:33] <phillw> hi good people, is there a ubiquity person about to have a quick look at an 'odd' bug, there is crash report but getting it to reproduce reliably is a problem
[21:39] <slangasek> phillw: I can maybe have a look
[21:39] <slangasek> phillw: what's the bug #?
[21:41] <phillw> slangasek: we're trying to get it able to be reproducable, but there is a crash report. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1659776/ Nicholas is trying it on real machine, as it is only seen intermitantly on VM's.
[21:43] <slangasek> phillw: where is the crash report?
[21:43] <phillw> slangasek: on that link?
[21:43] <slangasek> rather: why is this crash report in a pastebin, rather than submitted to errors.ubuntu.com / launchpad?
[21:44] <phillw> slangasek: we're still trying to get a reproducable crash, as a bug that happens something like 1 in 10, is going to be really hard on the devs.
[21:44] <slangasek> phillw: having this in a pastebin instead of in launchpad is worse
[21:45] <slangasek> step 1) submit the crash report, step 2) figure out how to reproduce it :)
[21:45] <phillw> okies.
[21:48] <phillw> slangasek: bug 1126671
[21:55] <phillw> slangasek: turns out it is dupe of https://launchpad.net/bugs/1123798
[21:55] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1123798 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-dm crashed with dbus.exceptions.DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out" [High,Confirmed]
[21:55] <phillw> not sure why I didn't get that one as it lubuntu named.
[21:55] <slangasek> phillw: yep - one of the advantages of getting the crash report filed is that the dupe checker gets a crack at it ;)
[21:56] <phillw> slangasek: thanks boss :)
[21:56] <slangasek> phillw: so AIUI the problem is that lubuntu doesn't ship consolekit, and something is causing ubiquity-dm to now require it
[21:56] <slangasek> the simplest solution, on the lubuntu side, would seem to be including consolekit
[21:56] <slangasek> (I'm surprised it's not already there, TBH)
[22:00] <phillw> slangasek: read the bug.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1123798/comments/5
[22:00] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1123798 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-dm crashed with dbus.exceptions.DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out" [High,Confirmed]
[22:01] <phillw> Noskaj will be along later, He's on AUS time.
[22:02] <slangasek> phillw: well, I discounted that comment because it's a low-content followup and nobody reported this bug against Ubuntu; I can kick off a test here though
[22:03] <phillw> slangasek: balloons is trying on real kit, but is waiting for the iso to copy over.
[22:03]  * slangasek nods
[22:04] <phillw> slangasek: if you would /j #ubuntu-quality that is where the discussion is. I do think that is the better channel to discuss on?