[08:20] <wulan> i love ubuntustudio , a great powerful distro !!!
[08:22] <vzion> ^^
[14:51] <foursquare> hi guys
[14:55] <foursquare> ive installed ubuntu studio 12.04 on an emachines e725, so deal'en with the LCD issue but slaved another view'en source.
[15:10] <foursquare> Im a new Linux user,,,, my best friend owns a recording studio he uses PROTOOLS only.  I'd like to use Ubuntu Studio in his studio side by side. This is not some home studio he runs. His clients are King Diamond, Pantera, Matallica etc etc.
[15:22] <foursquare> did zombies eat everyone? hello....
[15:24] <zequence_> foursquare: Hi. So, did you install it yet?
[15:24] <zequence_> Oh, you said that
[15:24] <zequence_> foursquare: Are you having any problems so far?
[15:24] <foursquare> just the screen
[15:25] <foursquare> hi  zequence
[15:26] <zequence> foursquare: The screen is dark? Did you solve the problem?
[15:28] <foursquare> didnt try to solve the screen thing yet,,,its on the list. I used 12.10 and failed bad so went back to 12.04
[15:30] <zequence> foursquare: I've google about it, and it seems quite fixable. There are different ways to get around it. Let's see
[15:31] <foursquare> thats just a ubuntu issue... but ive got a friend that owns a PROTOOLS studio. I'd like to use/test ubuntu studio at his studio. but i'm new to linux .
[15:32] <zequence> foursquare: So, what would you like to know?
[15:32] <foursquare> Yah a ton of information for my screen issue. X.org was the issue last time.
[15:34] <foursquare> Some of the info for ubuntu studio looked outdated... but i'm new to linux...
[15:34] <zequence> foursquare: I can only help you if I know what it is that you are having problems with
[15:35] <foursquare> learning
[15:35] <zequence> If you're looking for docs, there's some at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[15:36] <foursquare> thank you
[15:36] <zequence> foursquare: Otherwise, I recommend checking out Ardour, as it is the Pro Tools equivalent on Linux machines
[15:36] <foursquare> is there a way to be a user/tester
[15:37] <zequence> Here's a manual for Ardour. You might want to skip ahead beyond any reference to installation, as that is of course already done http://en.flossmanuals.net/ardour/
[15:38] <zequence> foursquare: We have a team for testers, if you'd like to join. There's no specific testing going on right now, but there should be next month, or so
[15:39] <zequence> Check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure
[15:39] <zequence> A new release coming out in April, so before that we will need to do some testing
[15:40] <foursquare> well i though if i could learn it, i could get people to really use it..
[15:41] <foursquare> thank you for your help
[15:41] <holstein> i would say, the overhead of using 2 machines will not be worth it
[15:41] <holstein> plus, its not an issue of if ubuntustudio can do the job, its more like, they are used to other software
[15:42] <holstein> i say this because i have often wanted to do the same
[15:42] <holstein> theres a studio here that runs sonar in XP.. older versions
[15:42] <holstein> they dont want to "upgrade" though
[15:42] <holstein> i could just as easily take protools in there, and they wouldnt want that
[15:43] <holstein> i have another friend running older protools on an old PPC mac that is dying
[15:43] <holstein> but, he wants protools
[15:43] <holstein> he wants to be able to say "we run protools"
[15:43] <foursquare> protools is king... right now,,,,,
[15:43] <holstein> nah
[15:43] <foursquare> hahaha
[15:44] <holstein> its not "king" by any means
[15:44] <holstein> its popular
[15:44] <holstein> and thats fine
[15:44] <holstein> it does what it does, and i am not commenting on quality
[15:44] <holstein> fact is, my friend could sepnd a significant amount of time learning JACK and ardour and new plugins and why?
[15:45] <holstein> at the end of the day, the clients want the buzz word
[15:45] <foursquare> so i guess i just need to learn how to use the programs...
[15:45] <foursquare> yah his clients are big hitters
[15:46] <foursquare> and have home studios also
[15:46] <holstein> doesnt matter
[15:46] <holstein> we all know jack/ardour/foss... ubuntustudio
[15:46] <holstein> its capable
[15:46] <holstein> thats not the issue
[15:46] <holstein> the issue is, the tech is used to it
[15:46] <holstein> the mastering guy is probably running protools
[15:46] <holstein> you finish a protools session and hand it off easliy to the mastering guy
[15:47] <foursquare> yes he masters it in protools
[15:47] <holstein> and does any of that matter?
[15:47] <holstein> no
[15:47] <holstein> but it does to them
[15:47] <holstein> and they dont want a change
[15:47] <holstein> they dont want to "explore" or "learn" or try new FOSS
[15:47] <holstein> they just want to do work.. and thats fine
[15:47] <holstein> these tools are great
[15:48] <holstein> i have friends who do work for "heavy hitters" on everything
[15:48] <holstein> some, without computers at all..
[15:48] <holstein> the issue is not "can ubuntustudio do the job?"
[15:48] <holstein> the issue is, migration and interoperability
[15:49] <holstein> now, when i get a protools session, i just open the data up and make it work
[15:49] <zequence> I think for someone running a pro studio will only use Linux atm, if they are really passionate about it. Especially if they already know how to do stuff in another system. You need quite a lot of time getting into a new system.
[15:49] <holstein> when my friend gets a non protools session, he doesnt take the job
[15:49] <foursquare> you've give me a great view and reminder...
[15:50] <holstein> so, if you send a professional mastering engineer an ardour session, of course thats not going to work
[15:50] <holstein> but, he should be getting a stereo mixdown anyway
[15:50] <foursquare> brb need more coffee
[15:50] <holstein> but, what if you hire a mixing guy?
[15:50] <holstein> that guy might charge more for non-protools sessions
[15:51] <holstein> and, that might not matter, but if you are dealing with lots of mixes per/day, and its a buisness, that all matters
[15:51] <holstein> zequence: did you transition from something else?
[15:52] <holstein> it took me months to move my studio over from cubase/xp
[15:52] <zequence> holstein: Not really, but I wouldn't do it if I didn't really like the idea of using Linux
[15:52] <holstein> when i did, i felt like someone had literally given me a much higher quality studio
[15:52] <holstein> and all i did was change software
[15:52] <holstein> didnt drop a dime
[15:52] <holstein> was it easy? no... was it worth it? sure... but i had the time to spend on it
[15:53] <foursquare> well i've got some time
[15:53] <zequence> It's only worth it, if you're into Linux. There are a range of limitations on software choice if you use Linux.
[15:53] <holstein> foursquare: sure.. and i do too.. but you cant expect anyone else to do it
[15:54] <zequence> All though there of course are stuff you can only do on Linux too
[15:54] <holstein> foursquare: unless someone explicitly says to me "i want linux" i dont do it anymore
[15:54] <holstein> i have had too many issues migrating folks
[15:54] <holstein> and, at the end of the day, its always just work flow change
[15:55] <holstein> i would say, you'll need to do it for yourself, otherwise, you'll expect them to love it, or care.. or notice.. and they might just want to keep what they have, since it works, and they know how to use it
[15:55] <foursquare> very true
[15:55] <zequence> I wouldn't say "just". There are lots of plugins and time saving tools on other platforms that you just can't do on Linux, either not at all, or not as fast
[15:55] <holstein> yeah.. just a matter of cranking out a product.. you might do it quicker with something else
[15:55] <zequence> Which is why you really have to dig Linux, if you're thinking of changing
[15:56] <holstein> "linux" doesnt care, nor get paid to care how productive you are
[15:56] <foursquare> hahaha
[15:56] <holstein> can it do the job? sure.. also, all those time saving tools can be made to run on linux
[15:56] <foursquare> wine?
[15:56] <holstein> foursquare: no.. by the vendors
[15:56] <holstein> foursquare: they can release the product for this platform
[15:56] <foursquare> how do you  guys tpe so fast
[15:57] <zequence> I'm thinking of plugins mostly. And you can get some of the running on Linux, but not everything.
[15:57] <holstein> foursquare: hehe
[15:57] <holstein> foursquare: for the nicknames.. you can type "hol" and hit tab.. it'll auto complete my nick
[15:57] <foursquare> yes plug-ins
[15:57] <foursquare> thx
[15:57] <holstein> typing "h" and hitting tab repeatedly will "scroll"
[15:58] <holstein> that might make it seem like im typing faster than i am
[15:58] <foursquare> yah man i'm new to linux.... did slackware yrs ago
[15:58] <foursquare> thx for tips
[15:58] <holstein> foursquare: cool!.. welcome to the channel
[15:58] <holstein> also, if you are into audio production, #opensourcemusicians is a great resource
[15:59] <foursquare> thank you,
[15:59] <holstein> lots of slack folk, ubuntu users.. different distros represented
[15:59] <foursquare> so linux can do very well in the music wourld
[16:00] <holstein> foursquare: i use it exclusively
[16:00] <holstein> i have friends who use it exclusively.. i dont miss anything.. but, i didnt use a lot of those high-dollar plugins
[16:00] <foursquare> i'd like to crack that nut
[16:00] <holstein> i have a reverb and a comp that i liked.. other than that, i was happy to let the rest go
[16:01] <holstein> and ive found "replacements"
[16:01] <holstein> im also not that into midi though
[16:01] <foursquare> its all digital now should it really matter
[16:01] <zequence> If you know what you are doing, and use the stuff that comes with Ubuntu Studio, you can make quality products. But, it might not be as convenient to do some of the modern stuff that people do nowadays in studios
[16:01] <holstein> i think the midi instrument area might still be lacking.. the plugins for that.... though, i think its all coming along nicely
[16:02] <zequence> plugins, soft instruments, gui interface, etc
[16:03] <foursquare> so much info where do i start
[16:03] <foursquare> Jack i think you said
[16:04] <holstein> yeah, JACK is key
[16:04] <foursquare> zequence, holstein  thanks guys. how long using linux in the studio?
[16:04] <holstein> its not necessary for everything, and sometimes overkill.. but its what we have that really separates us
[16:04] <zequence> foursquare: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[16:05] <zequence> foursquare: That's a short intro to the sound systems on Ubuntu Studio
[16:05] <holstein> i mean, there are commercial "jack like" things.. but the trick with JACK is, it *reallY* connects everything
[16:05] <holstein> jack is open.. so anyone can (and usually will) write for it
[16:05] <foursquare> i need a map
[16:05] <holstein> i can plug any hardware that JACK can use and connect it with any software jack uses
[16:06] <foursquare> jack is an interface?
[16:06] <holstein> foursquare: jack is like a virtual patchbay.. kind of
[16:06] <foursquare> oooooh
[16:06] <zequence> jack is a pro audio server
[16:06] <holstein> think of it like in the studio.. you bring gear in, and you connect things
[16:07] <holstein> most things are connectable.. nothing in linux cares if you connet it
[16:07] <holstein> no one profits from limiting connectivity
[16:07] <holstein> but, getting the jack audio server started can be tricky, ad different from hardware to hardware
[16:07] <foursquare> so jack plugs into ?
[16:07] <holstein> foursquare: literally everything (in theory)
[16:08] <zequence> jack is a audio server. It allows many programs to use it at once, and connect to each other through it
[16:08] <holstein> yeah, the virtual patchbay is a "feature" of it
[16:09] <holstein> foursquare: JACK is available for osx (and windows, though i never tried in windows)
[16:09] <foursquare> so if i mic a kit i'd nu it through Jack
[16:09] <holstein> foursquare: you could
[16:10] <holstein> foursquare: you could route it through something to trigger midi.. you could route it through effects for monitoring.. route the wet and/or dry signals to tracks to record
[16:10] <holstein> to live streaming apps...
[16:10] <holstein> to literally anything else JACK sees
[16:10] <holstein> with no restrictions other than hardware/software limitations... and your imagination
[16:11] <foursquare> oh wow yah live sound? i'd love to learn
[16:11] <foursquare> so you can use this stuff for live?
[16:12] <holstein> foursquare: well, you can do whatever you want.. as long as its JACK supported
[16:12] <foursquare> can Jack help me play counter strike better?
[16:12] <holstein> no one cares, or is paid to care if you have JACK support.. but jack is open, and folks usually try and support it
[16:12] <foursquare> joking
[16:12] <holstein> foursquare: lol
[16:13] <foursquare> so i really need to put some good time into learning the programs...
[16:14] <foursquare> start with Jack and Adour(?)
[16:15] <holstein> i would try and start with something you do, and replace that work flow
[16:15] <holstein> what did i do? i had a laptop.. i move that to linux only.. i did *everything* daily one that machine
[16:16] <holstein> i did that for a year or so while still using xp/cubase for audio
[16:16] <holstein> i would rtfm and ask questions.. and try hardware with live CD's and test...
[16:17] <holstein> i wanted the transition to go smoothly.. i do get paid for some audio production work, and i didnt want there to be any downtime
[16:17] <foursquare> been usen ubuntu for a year now only, but nothing like this
[16:17] <holstein> when i went, i had already used ardour a little, and JACK with my hardware.. so i could get to my basic work flow pretty easily
[16:18] <foursquare> i  have nothing to mix or master
[16:19] <foursquare> thats easy
[16:19] <foursquare> to fix
[16:20] <foursquare> i have so many questions but just face time with the programs is what i'll nee
[16:20] <foursquare> d
[16:21] <foursquare> holstein, zequence  how long in the music side
[16:23] <zequence> foursquare: I've been using Linux for music the laste 5 years or so, but I haven't been doing any studio recording on Linux. Only live stuff.
[16:23] <zequence> I still use Cubase from time to time, on Windows, but that's because it's no my computer
[16:23] <foursquare> so you could be my guy for live information?
[16:24] <zequence> If you're thinking about using puredata, yes. Other than that, it's about setting your system up to cope with really low latencies
[16:25] <foursquare> i've got a buddy that only does live sound, maybe i'll tag along with him
[16:25] <foursquare> puredata?
[16:25] <holstein> eh... that'll be more about putting out fires
[16:25] <holstein> live sound is an art though
[16:26] <holstein> you might get to place some mics, or learn about compression
[16:26] <foursquare> yah it is but most have no clue
[16:26] <holstein> realtime audio in the studio is different.. and not necessary for some things
[16:26] <foursquare> i have studio time just no live time
[16:27] <holstein> in the studio, you are dealing with clients.. your clients.. you want them to be "happy" and come back
[16:27] <holstein> live sound is usually more about making some band sound louder... some band you may or may not see again.. a band that is not paying you
[16:27] <holstein> just that attitude shift can change a lot of the perspective
[16:28] <holstein> still, live sound is an art.. one most folks dont bother with these days
[16:28] <foursquare> ok i know you know your stuff
[16:29] <holstein> i dont think you'll leanr much relevant to using computers in the studio doing live sound.. but it wont hurt
[16:29] <foursquare> so do you work as a house sound guy?
[16:29] <holstein> i wouldnt run out and do an "unpaid internship" with a live sound guy in hopes of learning much in this regard
[16:30] <holstein> i would try for a studio
[16:30] <foursquare> controlled
[16:30] <holstein> foursquare: i have before.. nothing too big or serious
[16:30] <holstein> mostly just covering my friend when he as double booked
[16:31] <foursquare> i got my buddy that has a studio
[16:31] <holstein> he would always help me set things up properley as well, and talk me through the routing
[16:31] <holstein> foursquare: its good to see studios.. even just taking tours.. see what they have.. how its routed, and why
[16:32] <foursquare> Nomad Studio, dallas texas is where i'm going to use this
[16:33] <foursquare> routed?
[16:34] <holstein> foursquare: like, wheres the patchbay, and why? and what is available to it? and how
[16:34] <holstein> who set it up.. when, and what works and what do they wish they had done differently
[16:34] <foursquare> okay
[16:35] <holstein> i mean, there are simple basic rules that work, no matter what you are doing
[16:35] <holstein> gold in, gold out for example
[16:35] <holstein> you get a nice sound going in, and a nice sound comes out.. thats pretty simple
[16:36] <holstein> but, "nice" is a matter of opinion.. and getting a "nicer" sound can cost $$
[16:36] <holstein> so, whats the nicest you can sound for the budget you have?
[16:36] <holstein> for you, since its someone else's gear, you can really get a nice sond
[16:37] <holstein> but, you likely wont get access to any audio interface that works well in linux, if you get access at all
[16:37] <holstein> best thing you'd get there is maybe a stereo submix from the board
[16:39] <foursquare> okay i last used session 8 and adat stuff,,, things have changed
[16:39] <holstein> sure, but you are taking a linux box in separate
[16:39] <holstein> you cant slave off of whatever device they are using
[16:40] <holstein> whatever interface.. and, does the interface work with linux?.. who knows.. its probably some digi gear that wont work at all
[16:40] <holstein> you can always take the ubutustuduio live CD in and try it on that hardware
[16:41] <holstein> i wouldnt... last thing i would want is anyone thinking they have an 8000 dollar computer thinking i broke that 8000 computer
[16:41] <foursquare> i'll just use the laptop i have now.
[16:41] <holstein> but then, you are daling with maybe taking the outputs and going to your interface
[16:41] <holstein> foursquare: sure.. with what interfac?
[16:41] <holstein> interface*
[16:41] <foursquare> thats new to me... interface?
[16:42] <holstein> you cant use theres with 2 machines at the same time.. and if you can have access to it, it might not work
[16:42] <holstein> foursquare: how are you going to get audio into the laptop
[16:42] <foursquare> idk
[16:42] <holstein> you dont hav adat in on the machine
[16:42] <foursquare> nope
[16:42] <holstein> and i dont know if they have an adat out you can use/borrow in the studio if you did
[16:43] <holstein> they likely have a digi expensive interface that wont work with linux
[16:43] <holstein> so, you'll need to go from the analog source.. maybe a bus from the main board
[16:43] <foursquare> he moved everything to only using protools
[16:43] <holstein> i dont know that that means
[16:43] <foursquare> okay what about this.....
[16:43] <holstein> there should be mics.. and preamps
[16:44] <holstein> and someway to get analog information into protools
[16:44] <holstein> usually, big studios just keep the consoles they have, and go right out to interfaces
[16:44] <holstein> with expensive D/A converters
[16:44] <foursquare> if you  go look at his webpage and look over what he uses, could you give me some idea of what to do
[16:45] <holstein> A/D D/A converters
[16:46] <holstein> 64 Input Otari Concept One is the console
[16:46] <holstein> you can track to hard disk or tape
[16:47] <foursquare> http://www.nomadrecording.com/
[16:47] <holstein> foursquare: right, thats where im reading
[16:48] <holstein> the interface is not listed
[16:48] <holstein> but, no matter what it is, its connected to 2 things
[16:48] <foursquare> he list all equipment and software... oh are you there?
[16:48] <holstein> an analog source, and an interface to the computer
[16:49] <holstein> you will not be allowed to just unplug that interface and plug it in to your laptop.. assuming that is even possible
[16:49] <foursquare> ok got that
[16:49] <holstein> it could be adat
[16:49] <holstein> could be a proprietary pci card
[16:49] <holstein> could be firewire
[16:49] <holstein> not likely usb, nor that newer network interface equipment
[16:49] <holstein> most of which, will not work with linux
[16:50] <holstein> RME supports linux well, but its *very* high dollar
[16:50] <foursquare> REM is the interface?
[16:50] <holstein> RME is a companty that makes interfaces
[16:51] <foursquare> be right back need more coffee
[16:51] <holstein> http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products.php some of the nicer gear around.. and with linux support
[16:51] <holstein> so, you have your laptop there
[16:52] <holstein> there is an interface that may or may not support linux... that you cant in any way share between the 2 machines, that you will likely not be allowed to unhook from the main machine
[16:52] <foursquare> yes
[16:53] <holstein> so, for multiple reasons, id say, that is out
[16:53] <holstein> you are welcome to research that for yourself.. and you should
[16:53] <holstein> but, then, you are back at the analog
[16:53] <holstein> a submix, or aux send
[16:53] <holstein> what would that go to?
[16:54] <holstein> xrl or balanced 1/4" inputs to your laptop.. how would you do that?
[16:54] <holstein> now you gotta get the wallet out..
[16:54] <foursquare> hahaha
[16:54] <holstein> or, you just pull mixes in and mess around with them
[16:54] <holstein> im just pointing out what will be issues.. so you can deal with them
[16:55] <foursquare> he uses a mac laptop for everything, thought i'd just use what he used
[16:55] <holstein> the apple machine is just that.. a computer... but there will be probably 4 grand worth of stuff connected to that computer
[16:55] <holstein> foursquare: you cant share them
[16:55] <holstein> foursquare: imagine this..
[16:56] <holstein> you have a usb stick.. i want to share the usb stick with your computer
[16:56] <holstein> foursquare: can we just split that USB stick's output to our 2 machines?
[16:56] <holstein> no
[16:56] <holstein> you cant do that with most computer gear like that
[16:56] <holstein> you wont be able to share the interface assuming it was supported by linux
[16:57] <holstein> so, you likely wont have any option to just use what he uses
[16:57] <foursquare> ok what if i just stick to mastering
[16:57] <holstein> foursquare: sure.. just pull the file in, and import export...
[16:58] <holstein> then, you'll just be working on the files with your crap internal card
[16:58] <holstein> thats do-able
[16:58] <holstein> not that your card is crap.. its just inappropriate
[16:58] <foursquare> yep crap card
[16:58] <holstein> you can see, in the above scenario.. we are comparing not the 2 machine.. the linux and apple machines
[16:58] <foursquare> i like inapproriate
[16:59] <holstein> we are comparing your internal sound card with the 4 grand worth of external gear the apple has
[16:59] <foursquare> ok
[16:59] <holstein> i think lots of folks do this, and assume its a limitation of the platform
[17:00] <holstein> if you want to go spend the same with RME gear... or do tests with the apple machine and the linux machine using the same interface, then the comparison will be more level
[17:01] <foursquare> thats it, what i'm going for
[17:02] <foursquare> i want to see how far i can take ubuntu studio, can i get it on that CDcover as equipment used to master
[17:03] <holstein> cd cover?
[17:03] <foursquare> but thats up to me to learn the programs
[17:03] <holstein> foursquare: its on all my cd covers
[17:03] <holstein> its not an issue of "can it"
[17:04] <foursquare> hahaha can i do it for some of his clients,,,, king diamond, etc etc
[17:04] <holstein> foursquare: again, its not an issue of can
[17:05] <holstein> the issue is, do they want you to? and can you do it?
[17:05] <holstein> foursquare: my friend ricardus in #opensourcemusicians is an engineer.. he does mastering on ubuntu profesionally
[17:05] <foursquare> yse
[17:05] <foursquare> oops yes
[17:06] <foursquare> so he could be of some help?
[17:06] <holstein> foursquare: all im saying is, if you are wanting to do professional level mastering in linux, he is doing that
[17:06] <foursquare> oh ok
[17:07] <holstein> you are welcome to ask him about that.. and im sure he would share
[17:07] <holstein> i know he uses the linux dsp plugs
[17:07] <holstein> he tests them.. and tests mixbus that harrison consoles produces
[17:08] <foursquare> ok above my head now
[17:08] <holstein> http://www.harrisonconsoles.com/mixbus/website/ is an interesting project to note
[17:08] <foursquare> ahhhh more information,,,, me like
[17:08] <holstein> when harrison consoles wanted to release a digital version of what their analog board do, they didnt release it as a plugin
[17:08] <holstein> they could hae
[17:08] <holstein> have*
[17:09] <holstein> they released an entire DAW.. one that they can control.. and make it look and feel like their consoles
[17:09] <holstein> they built it on top of ardour
[17:09] <foursquare> wow
[17:09] <foursquare> free
[17:10] <holstein> well, ardour is free
[17:10] <holstein> but mixbus is neither free nor opensource
[17:11] <foursquare> any information on ubuntu studio being used at a pro level?
[17:11] <holstein> foursquare: i use it
[17:11] <foursquare> hahah i know tht
[17:11] <holstein> foursquare: lots of folks use it
[17:11] <holstein> my fiend ricardus.. most everyone in that channel i linked
[17:11] <holstein> friend*
[17:12] <foursquare> but lots of folks run home studios and have no clue how to do
[17:13] <foursquare> i dont want to know about them
[17:13] <holstein> ?
[17:13] <holstein> foursquare: what are you talking about?
[17:13] <holstein> foursquare: a studio is a studio
[17:13] <foursquare> idk i'm lost
[17:14] <holstein> foursquare: lots of *very* well known professional mastering studios are just in homes
[17:14] <holstein> or apartments in NYC
[17:14] <holstein> foursquare: i think you are mistaken about what makes a "professional" studio
[17:14] <foursquare> my buddy Koll lives in NYC doing the same thing
[17:14] <holstein> foursquare: i know lots of folks with very slick spaces that have nice looking studios, but dont know anything about recording
[17:15] <holstein> foursquare: i know really good enginers who live in their cars
[17:15] <holstein> you cant ever equate quality that way
[17:15] <holstein> with what "looks" or "seems" professional
[17:15] <foursquare> ok thats not cool,,, we need to get them a home
[17:15] <holstein> if you search google you'll find pro studios using linux
[17:15] <holstein> http://www.sonicstudio.it/
[17:15] <holstein> lots like that^
[17:16] <foursquare> well put buddy
[17:16] <holstein> lots of *very* large production studios use mixbus
[17:16] <holstein> lots of nashiville studios
[17:16] <holstein> ots of studios where folks dont know/care that they are running linux or not
[17:16] <holstein> lots*
[17:17] <holstein> all i can say is, linux is capable.. the only question is if it meets your needs or not
[17:17] <holstein> you can try it, and see
[17:17] <holstein> will it do professional level audio? sure
[17:18] <holstein> audio is nothing.. its not that big, or challenging for most all operating systems
[17:18] <holstein> will it work for you? thats for you to decide.. but it certainly can work
[17:19] <foursquare> thank you for all your insider information
[17:20] <holstein> http://www.sae.edu/en-gb/content/80/ardour_-_sae_edition
[17:20] <holstein> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may10/articles/mixbus.htm
[17:20] <holstein> http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=10937
[17:21] <foursquare> wow booked marked
[17:21] <holstein> http://www.tapeop.com/ is a free mag that anyone can get.. handy stuff.. non-linux related
[17:22] <foursquare> ok got it
[17:22] <holstein> i should note.. its free to recieve the mag.. but costs to post in it
[17:23] <foursquare> srry looken at the links you sent
[17:24] <foursquare> i'll try an get into the studio an see what we can do this weekend
[17:26] <foursquare> thank you for all the help and direction
[17:26] <holstein> you dont have to be "in the studio" to do what you need to do either
[17:26] <holstein> theres likely nothing there you can easily connect to anyways
[17:26] <holstein> i would just grab a file and start playing around..
[17:26] <holstein> im sure you'll sort it out!
[17:26] <holstein> good luck and welcome!
[17:26] <foursquare> use a hammer
[17:28] <foursquare> well i think i'll fix my scree issue now and see if i can play counter strike...
[17:28] <foursquare> thx again holstein
[17:29] <foursquare> am i able to add you as a friend? and how to do that?
[17:29] <holstein> foursquare: here you mean? im not sure...
[17:29] <holstein> im always on though
[17:29] <holstein> http://www.mikeholstein.info/ is me
[17:30] <holstein> you are welcome to friend me anywhere you can find me :)
[17:30] <foursquare> hahaha
[17:30] <foursquare> yah i dont do the facebook thing an stuff like that
[17:31] <foursquare> i'm not 12
[17:32] <foursquare> i cant wait to see some of the issues that come up and how i fixed them
[17:32] <holstein> i try.. i get a lot of work through FB
[17:33] <foursquare> if it works use it... good job man,,, didnt think FB worked that well
[17:33] <holstein> well, i dont like it.. but i need it
[17:34] <foursquare> linkedin?
[17:34] <holstein> i havent done linkedin, but i should
[17:34] <holstein> i have a hard enough time with FB
[17:35] <foursquare> i use that and get some very good hit and leads... i'm part of a start-up airplane company and use it alot
[17:36] <foursquare> lots of music people use linkedin
[17:37] <holstein> i get invites.. but FB takes so much energy... and i dont even do much on there.. i try and "farm it out"
[17:39] <foursquare> farm it out?
[17:39] <foursquare> sound like something fun
[17:40] <holstein> like, volunteers maintaing pages and whatnot
[17:40] <foursquare> if you do linkedin  send me an invite www.linkedin.com/in/aumnamaste/
[17:40] <holstein> doing "invites".. i hate those
[17:40] <foursquare> it an invite to naked girls,,,, joking
[17:41] <holstein> lol
[17:41] <foursquare> i've got a few buddys that use linked only that are pro music guys
[17:43] <foursquare> i want volunteers for stuff
[17:47] <foursquare> learning Ardour is the key though....
[17:47] <holstein> well, ardour is not unlike other DAWs.. so its not a waste of time
[17:50] <foursquare> so you learn one and you should be fine in others
[17:52] <holstein> well, in a larger "computer science" way, you learn what is happening, and how to find what you need, and you'll be able to work in any DAW
[17:54] <foursquare> look man i took programming  not computer science
[17:54] <foursquare> hahaha
[17:54] <holstein> hehe
[17:55] <foursquare> i guess i'll go read up on Ardour.... thx again holstein !
[17:57] <holstein> yeah, or just load it up.. even from the live CD
[17:57] <foursquare> you found me
[17:58] <holstein> yeah.. i made one :/
[17:58] <holstein> ive been meaning to for years.. so im there now
[18:00] <foursquare> hahaha good deal.... use me contact list if you want to link to others
[18:01] <holstein> i just added the folks that have been nagging me for years, and a few others
[18:01] <foursquare> love the stand-up bass,,,, always wanted to lean that one
[18:01] <foursquare> learn*
[18:02] <foursquare> what no long hair ,,,,
[18:05] <foursquare> kidding... my long hair's gone .... look like you
[21:37] <jojo_> hi pple... unbutunstudio is curently installing :D
[21:41] <sSs> enjoy