[00:08] <knome> hmm.
[00:12] <knome> pleia2, when you get back from vegas, can we schedule a sprint for the docs and website stuff?
[00:13]  * pleia2 killself
[00:13] <pleia2> I am coming back from vegas friday night, flying to LA on thursday night
[00:13] <pleia2> and giving talks on tuesday and friday of next week
[00:14] <knome> pleia2, things i think we should do in the near future are: see what we need to rewrite for the SRU documentation, update the info for contributing to documentation on our website and create a page for marketing products on www 
[00:14] <knome> meh. do you think you'd have any space you are willing to spare?
[00:14] <pleia2> s/friday/monday
[00:14] <knome> with willing, i mean, really willing to
[00:14] <pleia2> I don't even know what day it is :)
[00:14] <pleia2> ok, let me think
[00:15] <knome> because if not, i'll just drown in my own sweat doing that ;))
[00:15] <pleia2> so global jam is March 1-3
[00:15] <pleia2> my fiance will also be out of town that weekend
[00:15] <knome> aha
[00:15] <pleia2> I'll probably be going to my loco's event for that on the 2nd, if they can pull something together
[00:15]  * knome looks at the release schedule
[00:15] <pleia2> and have a 3 hour class on the 3rd
[00:15] <pleia2> but otherwise I'm ok
[00:16] <pleia2> can probably do sprint later on the 3rd
[00:16] <knome> oh we have until april for the strings
[00:16] <knome> that might work
[00:16] <knome> let me check our calendar quickly
[00:16] <pleia2> I should be home around 1PM my time on the 3rd, that's...
[00:17] <pleia2> 2100 utc
[00:17] <knome> ok, anything on 1-3 is ~bad, but i'll do it
[00:17] <knome> that sounds pretty much perfect
[00:17] <pleia2> ok cool
[00:17] <knome> wife has probably just gone to bed
[00:17] <knome> and it's not too late for me either
[00:17] <pleia2> so sunday night at 2100 on march 3rd
[00:17] <knome> that's it!
[00:18] <pleia2> \o/
[00:18] <knome> i'll send a mail to the ML later to tell others to join us as well
[00:18] <pleia2> perfect
[00:18] <pleia2> and SRU is probably lowest priority
[00:18] <knome> probably yes
[00:18] <knome> i might even create a page on the wiki for organizing
[00:18] <pleia2> do we want to poke at 13.04 docs too?
[00:18] <pleia2> shouldn't take much to clean them up, and we'll have to add gimp and gnumeric back :)
[00:19] <knome> umm, we probably will get some idea what we want to extend when we go through things we should rewrite for the SRU anyway, so yeah
[00:19]  * pleia2 nods
[00:19] <knome> i wasn't thinking we'd actually *rewrite* anything for the SRU stuff in the sprint, just find out what needs changing and then tell others to get working
[00:19] <knome> (and a few weeks later, do it ourself)
[00:20] <pleia2> aside from general "omg wedding next month" stuff, I'm not speaking anywhere or traveling in march, so I'll be in much better shape then
[00:20] <knome> i would like to think that last point is highly optional though!
[00:20]  * pleia2 nods
[00:20] <knome> we have FF coming march 7
[00:20] <knome> i should talk to dev people about making sure they make that
[00:20] <pleia2> good thing I'm not a developer :)
[00:20] <knome> hehe
[00:21] <knome> beta 1 is march 14 though
[00:21] <knome> we need to get testing in shape before that
[00:21] <pleia2> yeah, I'll need to get my lab together by then
[00:21] <knome> but no worries, i'm working on it with bluesabre_1 
[00:21] <pleia2> for testing all the things
[00:21] <knome> and _2 too, if he shows up
[00:21] <knome> even _3, if cloning works perfectly
[00:21] <pleia2> cloning \o/
[00:21] <Unit193> Keeping the orig for more clones?
[00:22] <knome> we should also try to cooperate with the ubuntu docs folks with actually being able to have translations this time around.
[00:22] <knome> otherwise we have no hurry meeting the docstringfreeze.
[00:23] <knome> hooray, my host has fixed the server, my domain is up again
[00:23] <knome> (thank them for breaking it though, otherwise i wouldn't have been this foss-productive)
[00:23] <knome> where would a page about a sprint belong in the xubuntu wiki structure?
[00:24] <knome> under meetings?
[00:24] <pleia2> sure
[00:25] <knome> not under archive though
[00:25] <pleia2> ah, looks like last time we put them under what we were sprinting on
[00:25] <knome> mm-hmm
[00:25] <knome> but this is general sprint
[00:25]  * pleia2 nods
[00:25] <knome> Meetings/Sprints ?
[00:25] <knome> or Sprints/
[00:25] <pleia2> yeah
[00:26] <pleia2> hmm
[00:26] <pleia2> actually Sprints/
[00:26] <knome> ok
[00:27] <knome> the wiki is slooooooow
[00:30] <knome> can't they really fix the performance issues? really?
[00:30] <pleia2> they could switch to mediawiki
[00:30] <knome> i wouldn't even care if they moved to mediawiki and broke all of our pages if that made the wiki speed feasible
[00:30] <pleia2> moinmoin is kind of crap at scale
[00:31] <knome> "but we want to fix moinmoin, we've always been able to do that before"
[00:31] <pleia2> knome has been in my head all week, we don't even need to chat anymore
[00:31] <knome> that's the answer i'm getting..
[00:31] <knome> woot
[00:31] <knome> oh head
[00:31] <knome> huhu
[00:31] <pleia2> we keep typing the same things!
[00:31] <knome> i though it was another word, 3 letters and ends with d as well
[00:32] <knome> and rhymes...
[00:32] <pleia2> tsk
[00:32] <knome> heh, yeah
[00:33] <pleia2> ok, I had a list of other xubuntu things I wanted to get finished this week
[00:33] <knome> did you?
[00:33] <pleia2> I need to run out to the store after work, but then I'll try very hard to get a mail out about the potential articles for print
[00:35] <knome> woo!
[00:36] <knome> i'm probably sleeping by then, but if you think you need reviewing, you can post it to the pad and i'll check it when i'm around
[00:36] <pleia2> ok, thanks, I'll see where I end up with it :)
[00:36] <knome> feel free to just send too, if you don't think you need reviews 
[00:45] <knome> pleia2, looks good? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Sprints/2013-03-03-globaljam
[00:45] <knome> not that i had came up with more to do as well...
[00:46] <pleia2> knome: sounds good
[00:47] <knome> good good
[00:58] <knome> sent email
[00:58] <knome> bah, writing takes painfully long
[00:59] <knome> i wanted to work on some blog articles today, but neck is already hurting a bit too much :(
[01:02] <knome> (and i need to get up in less than 7 hours :P)
[01:02] <Unit193> Good night, if that's where you're goin'.
[01:04] <knome> not yet
[01:04] <knome> i'm pushing it
[01:04] <knome> felt really good to crack the back.
[02:17] <smartboyhw> pleia2, PING
[02:32] <knome> smartboyhw, what's the matter?
[02:33] <smartboyhw> knome, just wondering one thing: Don't you guys have release annoucements?
[02:33] <knome> smartboyhw, we didn't do one for .2 since there wasn't much to announce 
[02:33] <smartboyhw> lol
[02:33] <knome> smartboyhw, if you had read the #ubuntu-release backlog, you would have known that
[02:33] <smartboyhw> knome, OK
[02:35] <Unit193> Also, you were told that here too.
[02:37] <knome> smartboyhw, i've told you this before, but i really don't like running like a headless chicken and pinging people without checking the facts first
[02:39] <knome> smartboyhw, it looks like you don't trust that 1) the release team is doing their job  2) the judgement of the xubuntu team to make decisions about release announcements and such themself
[02:42] <micahg> xubuntu said it wasn't participating in the alphas at the beginning of the cycle, so no need to announce anything until we certify an image
[02:43] <knome> micahg, the discussion was re: 12.04.2 announcement
[02:43] <micahg> oh, hrm
[02:44] <micahg> well, all the stuff that changed was core stuff, so it's as knome said
[02:44] <knome> micahg, oh btw, i found one work item that's [x-dev] (micahg), is that intentional or not?
[02:44] <micahg> knome: no, feel free to "fix" it
[02:44] <knome> oki
[02:44] <knome> i'll see if i find it again
[02:45] <knome> eugh, i hate alt+scroll on titlebar changing the opacity
[02:50] <micahg> knome: did you decide on the language list?
[02:50] <knome> for R?
[02:50] <micahg> yeah, I can update the seeds late
[02:51] <micahg> *later
[02:51] <knome> hmm. would march 3 be fine for that?
[02:51] <micahg> sure
[02:51] <knome> we're planning a sprint for that day, and it might make sense to discuss it then
[02:51] <micahg> ok
[02:51] <knome> and it's a low-hanging fruit for somebody to see what the most spoken languages are or so
[02:52] <micahg> it's not just that, it's the languages that we want to feature
[02:52] <knome> sure :)
[02:53] <knome> i think that's a good starting point though
[02:53] <micahg> I can do this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers , but I don't think that's the answer
[02:53] <knome> no, probably not as is
[02:54] <Unit193> popcon?
[02:54] <micahg> no connection between xfce and languages AFAIK
[02:54] <micahg> if we do the split, we'd gain that metric as well
[02:54] <knome> i don't think that's good as it is either, but might be something else to look at for sure
[02:55] <knome> i think the problem is the asian languages
[02:55] <knome> i don't think many of us know much about them or how much sense it would make to include those
[02:57] <knome> anyway, i need to get up in less than 5 hours... so heading for bed
[02:57] <knome> thanks for taking care for the languages
[02:57] <knome> have a nice day/evening and see you later
[02:58] <micahg> ok, I'll just add back gimp/gnumeric and the current languages across the board
[03:02] <micahg> ok, tomorrow morning we'll have gimp, gnumeric, and de fr bn hi ja on the images
[04:11] <pleia2> micahg: hooray!
[04:16] <pleia2> knome: I just realized the date on that last email from Sonny, did a quick nudge email to confirm we're all good before I mail the list
[06:30] <ochosi> knome: yeah, we could consider to change alt-scroll for something you hit less by accident, i agree
[10:51] <hrw> hello
[10:51] <hrw> can someone told me how to edit next/prev tab in xfce-terminal? it is set to ctrl-pgup/down but my laptop lacks them ;D
[10:51] <hrw> I have General, Appearance, Colors, Compatibility, Advanced in terminal preferences
[14:30] <pjotr> Hello, I have a feature request for Xubuntu. 
[14:30] <pjotr> Now and then on the Dutch Ubuntu forum, we see people having problems because they inadvertently checked the "Save session for future logins" option in the Log Out window.
[14:30] <pjotr> Can this option be removed from that window? It seems to be more often problematic than useful.
[14:31] <ochosi> well, first you need to ask how many people are _not_ complaining because they use this function as intended...
[14:31] <ochosi> (i guess removing a feature like this would cause some whining)
[14:31] <maddernick> isnt the config reset thing in the FAQ?
[14:32] <ochosi> also i'm not sure whether we should start removing checkboxes because people don't notice that they're clicking them :}
[14:33] <astraljava> "Are you sure you want to..." pop-ups FTW!
[14:33] <GridCube> i second ochosi 
[14:34] <GridCube> and check box to "not show this popup again" 
[14:34] <astraljava> And before anyone flips out, no, not really.
[14:34] <GridCube> and a popup asking you if you are sure you want to not show popups anymore
[14:34] <astraljava> maddernick: If it isn't, I suppose that'd be a handy way to inform users about it.
[14:35] <pjotr> A popup might be a useful compromise in this matter.... 
[14:35] <pjotr> most people don't understand "session" in the first place
[14:36] <astraljava> I really don't think not-understanding is a strong argument for clicking on unknown things. But yeah, I'm with Simon here; find out how big a portion of users suffer from this, and how many actually use it the correct way.
[14:37] <pjotr> astraljava: how to organize that? Shall I post a poll on the Dutch forum?
[14:38] <pjotr> Apart from the feature request: can one hack some config file to make it disappear?
[14:38] <astraljava> GNOME got a lot of excrement in a cooling device due to "dumbing down" their UIs. I'd have to say they deserved most of it.
[14:40] <astraljava> pjotr: Config option is a much better way. Is that only happening on the dutch forum? Is this perhaps due to the way the translation is worded? Or does it also occur with users having English UI?
[14:40] <ochosi> pjotr: the problem with stuff like this that users for whom it works fine don't really get in touch before you break things for them
[14:41] <maddernick> http://xkcd.com/1172/
[14:41] <ochosi> so it's a lot harder to get those ppl who use a function to say they do, because probably they're not even on your forum
[14:41] <ochosi> or even clicking a thread entitled "problems with saving session" because they don't have that problem
[14:41] <pjotr> There's something in that, yes....
[14:42] <ochosi> having an faq is more valuable
[14:42] <ochosi> maybe translating it to dutch would be more of a gain than dropping that option
[14:43] <pjotr> Anyway, I have to go now. If someone knows how to hack a config file to make it disappear, please share it. I'll read the logs tomorrow.... TIA.
[14:44] <ochosi> i'm pretty sure this has to be changed in the xfsm-logout code, not a config file
[14:45] <astraljava> Yes, unless it's in any config options already. They don't just magically help by themselves. :)
[14:46] <ochosi> (at least not that i'm aware of it)
[14:46] <maddernick> acctually
[14:46] <maddernick> Right click "Action Buttons" (that menu), click on "Log out", and you can choose not to show that dialog
[14:47] <maddernick> There is also "Log out..." and "Log out" where I suspect dont give you any options even with that confirm thing
[14:47] <bluesabre_1> len-1304: Yup, bug 1093015 should be fixed and all is right in the world.  :-)
[14:48] <len-1304> bluesabre_1, Great!, I will add it to UbutuStudio seeds
[14:53] <bluesabre_1> oh, I haven't fixed in the what is currently in raring, but rather, what I hope to release sometime this weekend (0.6.0)
[14:53] <len-1304>   I'll wait
[14:53] <len-1304> What I have seen has worked really well though.
[15:01] <bluesabre> thanks!
[15:01] <bluesabre> knome: I'll help as much as possible
[15:02] <bluesabre> and try to get everything released before FF