[00:32] <xubuntu564> hello
[00:32] <torax> hey
[00:32] <xubuntu564> im doing a full install right now
[00:32] <xubuntu564> how are the amd drivers?
[00:32] <xubuntu564> any good?
[00:33] <torax> I dont have any AMD hardware myself
[00:38] <xubuntu390> Can Xubuntu be installed from a flash drive? I am installing on my HPmini which has no DVD drive.
[00:38] <torax> xubuntu390: yes
[00:39] <torax> you can create bootable flash drive with dd or unetbootin
[00:39] <xubuntu390> Yay! Have the file downloaded. Gonna give it a shot.
[00:40] <torax> but if you use dd be careful, its called "destroyer of disks" for a reason :D
[00:40] <Unit193> *Disk destroyer.
[00:41] <Unit193> Ubuntu also has that one tool of their own too.
[00:42] <xubuntu390> Is there a step by step for this?
[00:44] <Unit193> !usb | This may cut it
[00:45] <xubuntu390> Cool. I just found that. I'm a real newb on this.
[00:52] <xubuntu390> So, I need to download & install the Linux Live USB Creator to my computer and then that sets up my "stick"?
[00:52] <Unit193> If you are on Windows, pretty much.
[00:53] <xubuntu390> I am on Windows. Really appreciate the help. Need to go back and register "properly".
[01:13] <xubuntu390> On step 3 Persistence mode, I assume I want that slider set to 4090MB since I dont want to boot from the USB stick?
[01:15] <Unit193> xubuntu390: You're just installing, right?  Persistence is just to save files on the flash when you boot off the flash.
[01:16] <xubuntu390> Yes. I am just installing. Using Linux Live USB creator so I can install on my HPmini
[01:21] <Unit193> Then you wouldn't need it.
[01:22] <xubuntu390> Thanks Unit 193. Moving forward.
[01:22] <xubuntu390> Ligten bolt "clicked"  :()!
[02:07] <SudoNhim> Hi! Small catastrophe here, wondering if anybody can tell me what I/Ubuntu did to my HDD setup.
[02:07] <SudoNhim>  I installed Xubuntu 12.10; it gave me the option to dual-boot with Windows 7. I was running windows 8, but assumed it just treated it like 7. After installing I found that it had actually set up dual boot with a retired windows 7 drive that happened to be connected. My Windows 8 drive is now unreadable in the RAW format. Is there an easy way back?
[02:14] <SudoNhim> To clarify - Xubuntu installed itself on the Windows 8 drive - I can only see the Xubuntu files from within Xubuntu, and I can only see a RAW partition from within windows
[02:44] <SudoNhim> Ergh - looks like it reformatted the entire drive as one ext partition. Serves me right for not setting up my install manually.
[03:03] <Hund> Why is the messaging indicator missing in Xubuntu 12.10?
[03:04] <Unit193> Because it was GTK3 while the panel is GTK2.
[03:04] <Hund> Unit193: Oh. Is there any other alternatives?
[03:05] <Unit193> Not that I know of.
[03:06] <Hund> Unit193: That sucks. :( I really want a indicator for Xchat and Thunderbird.
[03:06] <Unit193> You could just install the packages from precise and set a hold on them, but this may cause breakage.
[03:07] <drc> Hund: Try Mail Watcher (add item to panel)for thunderbird
[03:10] <drc> With that, you don't need to have thunderbird open, all the time...and can set it to open thunderbird when you want.
[03:12] <drc> And I thought xchat add an item to the notification area when open.
[03:17] <xubuntu650> Is it still possible to update to a new versions to Xubuntu from Karmic?  My update can't find the repositories.
[03:19] <Unit193> !eol
[03:20] <xubuntu650> Thanks, I'll have a look!
[03:54] <xubuntu525> mmmm
[04:28] <jeffrey1> Hey guys I am trying to add a launcher in my panel for a wine program. It doesn't work to drag the .exe there, and I can't find it in the list of applications to start
[04:29] <Cheri703> I think you would hit the button that looks like a page with a plus, for "add empty item" and then you can run a direct command
[04:30] <Cheri703> so you would add the "launcher" item, then go to the properties of that
[04:32] <jeffrey1> right
[04:32] <jeffrey1> I guess I don't know what command to enter
[04:32] <jeffrey1> just the path of the exe?
[04:33] <Cheri703> I think? try typing in the path in a command line and see if that launches it
[04:33]  * Cheri703 is not the *most* technical person, but can hold her own or play with stuff until she figures it out
[04:33] <Unit193> Normally it is wine /path/to/file.exe
[04:33] <Unit193> Or sometimes you need the wineprefix as well.
[04:33] <Cheri703> Unit193 with the save ;)
[04:33] <jeffrey1> i'll try that
[04:34] <Unit193> wine start /unix /path/to/file.exe is like what you'd see in themenu.
[04:35] <jeffrey1> Nice that works, thanks guys
[04:36] <jeffrey1> I am VERY new to linux but liking it so far
[05:04] <vzion> http://pastebin.com/DBpFfjDA
[09:12] <spinning> xubuntu rules
[09:14] <spinning> i'm so alone
[09:15] <vzion> not that it matters at the moment but #xubuntu-offtopic
[09:44] <ChesterX> hello everybody, for some reason my display settings witched from 16:9 to 4:3. where can i change those settings?
[09:46] <vzion> did you install new drivers? remove them if so. have you tried restarting?
[09:47] <ChesterX> no, i just launched a game which change the settings ?_? and now  can t seem to change it back
[09:47] <vzion> try ARandR (Advanced Resize and Rotate (should be in Launcher menu -> settings  or in the settings manager)
[09:48] <vzion> definately try restarting if you havent
[09:54] <Deepfriedice> ChesterX: try shift+alt+prtsc+k
[09:57] <Hyperiant> Running 12.04 LTS Xubuntu alternate installation; it fails consistently at the "select and install software" stage.  Can I safely skip it?
[09:58] <Hyperiant> It seems pretty vital, especially considering it lets me choose to install updates automatically or decline to do so.
[09:59] <vzion> that can be configured later but to answer your question i dont know. when i tried the alt CD the image was too big to actually fit on a disk
[10:00] <Hyperiant> I used a live USB
[10:01] <Deepfriedice> Hyperiant: what error message dose it give?
[10:02] <Hyperiant> "Installation step failed / An installation step failed.  You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else.  The failing step is: 'Select and install software'"
[10:03] <Deepfriedice> Well, THATS helpful.
[10:03] <Hyperiant> I wish it was more detailed
[10:03] <Deepfriedice> did you run a intergity check on the Disk?
[10:04] <Hyperiant> I did not, but I can't imagine that it would go well; I installed it to a flash drive instead of a disc
[10:04] <vzion> i was having siliar issues today. disk passed integrity check. redownloaded and used a diff USB, problem solved
[10:05] <Deepfriedice> Hyperiant: It just compares checksums, the media doesn't matter.
[10:05] <Hyperiant> It fails after "running tasksel"
[10:05] <Deepfriedice> hm
[10:07] <Deepfriedice> Try using a dvd?
[10:08] <Deepfriedice> I'd be more helpful, but there's no real information to narrow this down.
[10:09] <Hyperiant> I think I have a CD that'll fit it
[10:09] <Hyperiant> 12.04 is 667MB and I have 700MB discs
[10:10] <Deepfriedice> MB or MiB?
[10:10] <Hyperiant> Not sure
[10:10] <Deepfriedice> hmm
[10:11] <Hyperiant> The discs are marked "700MB/80minutes"
[10:11] <Deepfriedice> well the disks will be 700*10^6 Bytes
[10:11] <Deepfriedice> the ISO is...
[10:12] <Deepfriedice> 729,067,520 Bytes
[10:12] <Hyperiant> ?
[10:12] <Deepfriedice> thats not good
[10:13] <Hyperiant> Mine's 710,193,152 bytes
[10:13] <Hyperiant> Or 677MB
[10:13] <Deepfriedice> probably a different version
[10:13] <Hyperiant> xubuntu-12.04.2-alternate-i386.iso
[10:13] <Deepfriedice> Anyway, got any blank DVDs?
[10:14] <Deepfriedice> i368?
[10:14] <Deepfriedice> whatever
[10:14] <Hyperiant> That's what all of the 32-bit releases are
[10:14] <Deepfriedice> yeah, but there is a trend of people putting 32bit OS's on 64bit computers
[10:14] <vzion> 386
[10:16] <Deepfriedice> anyway, I don't think that image will fit on a CD, if USB flash drives don't work, next to try is a DVD
[10:18] <Hyperiant> hrm
[10:18] <Hyperiant> Well, regardless, it seems to have burned well
[10:19] <Deepfriedice> huh
[10:21] <Deepfriedice> It appears (wikipedia) I was wrong:
[10:21] <Deepfriedice> Capacity 	Typically up to 700 MiB
[10:21] <Deepfriedice> how is the integrity test going?
[10:21] <vzion> they are higher for overburn protection usually but its not reported
[10:23] <Hyperiant> I'm testing the USB integrity right now
[10:23] <Deepfriedice> Okay.
[10:23] <Hyperiant> Apparently one of the ATI video drivers in ./pool/ just failed the integrity test
[10:25] <Deepfriedice> On the Flash drive?
[10:27] <Hyperiant> Yeah
[10:28] <vzion> redownload and start over.
[10:28] <Deepfriedice> uhh
[10:28] <vzion> your torrent app should have a data integrity check option
[10:29] <Deepfriedice> vzion: good point. Hyperiant: I suspect the problem might be the flash drive, but lets see.
[10:32] <xubuntu882> hola
[10:32] <xubuntu882> alguien haba español
[10:32] <Hyperiant> The CD passed integrity, I'll try installing from that
[10:32] <xubuntu882> '?
[10:33] <Deepfriedice> Hyperiant: It'll be slower, but hopefully it will work.
[10:33] <Hyperiant> eh, poquito, pero, que necessitar?
[10:33] <Deepfriedice> Hyperiant: How is the torrent integrity check going?
[10:34] <xubuntu882> SOLO saludar a la comunidad y gracias por estar ahy. Un saludo para todos desde españa
[10:34] <vzion> #Ubuntu-es
[10:34] <Hyperiant> I didn't scan the torrent but the burned CD passed integrity so I'm assuming the torrent isn't at fault
[10:34] <Deepfriedice> Yeah, Ok. I'd bin that flash drive then.
[10:35] <Deepfriedice> Odds are, there is something wrong with it.
[10:35] <Hyperiant> That's possible
[10:47] <hrw> hello
[10:48] <Deepfriedice> Hi
[10:48] <hrw> can someone told me how to edit next/prev tab in xfce-terminal? it is set to ctrl-pgup/down but my laptop lacks them ;D
[10:49] <TheSheep> hrw: right-click, preferences, shortcuts
[10:49] <TheSheep> hrw: on the terminal window, that is
[10:49] <hrw> TheSheep: no such here - xfce4-terminal 0.6.1
[10:50] <TheSheep> hrw: it is there
[10:50] <Deepfriedice> edit>preferences>shortcuts
[10:50] <hrw> I have General, Appearance, Colors, Compatibility, Advanced
[10:51] <vzion> somehow ur missing a tab
[10:51] <TheSheep> hrw: what version of xubuntu is that?
[10:51] <hrw> TheSheep: 13.04
[10:51] <Deepfriedice> I don't have Compatibility
[10:51] <Deepfriedice> Ah
[10:51] <TheSheep> !ubutnu+1
[10:51] <hrw> so -devel?
[10:51] <TheSheep> hrw: no, more like #ubuntu+1, I just can't find the right message
[10:52] <TheSheep> !raring
[10:52] <TheSheep> here :)
[10:55] <hrw> ok, changed
[10:56] <hrw> someone know how to remove key accelerator in gtk menu?
[10:59] <hrw> "you can clear an accelerator from a menu item by hovering over it and hitting the delete key" - too bad that I lack that key as well ;D
[11:03] <Deepfriedice> hrw: What about some kind of onscreen keyboard?
[11:04] <hrw> Deepfriedice: setting to some crazy emacs style combinations works as well
[11:28] <Hyperiant> Successful install!  Now how do I update the OS to the latest version?
[11:28] <Deepfriedice> Uh, what's wrong?
[11:29] <Hyperiant> Nothing's wrong; is it a bad thing to upgrade?
[11:29] <Deepfriedice> Ah, no. Sorry my bad.
[11:30] <Deepfriedice> How much experience do you have with Linux?
[11:30] <Hyperiant> I can use the terminal and Google stuff
[11:30] <Deepfriedice> okay.
[11:31] <Deepfriedice> You're probably going to want to use Synaptic for updates.
[11:31] <Deepfriedice> menu > System > Synaptic Package Manager
[11:34] <Hyperiant> How do I use Synaptic to install latest Xubuntu?
[11:36] <Deepfriedice> Um may I ask why you installed 12.04 if you want 12.10?
[11:39] <Hyperiant> Because Xubuntu 12.10 doesn't have an alternate installation iso
[11:39] <Hyperiant> I tried normal installation but it always hanged for hours unending so I had to use alternate
[11:40] <Deepfriedice> Okay, I've never done a system upgrade. This should be fun
[11:42] <Deepfriedice> http://xubuntu.org/upgrading/
[11:43] <Deepfriedice> Okay so we actually want the update manager
[11:43] <Deepfriedice> menu > System > Update Manager
[11:43] <Deepfriedice> Then hit "Check" to update the package list
[11:45] <Hyperiant> Says I don't need any additional updates
[11:46] <Deepfriedice> good
[11:47] <Deepfriedice> Does it also say a new release is available?
[11:48] <Hyperiant> No, but I found a setting under Settings -> Updates within Update Manager that asks whether I want to search for LTS updates or just any update
[11:49] <Hyperiant> Yup, now it sees the new release.
[11:49] <Deepfriedice> Great
[11:50] <Deepfriedice> Make sure there are no updates available, Hit upgrade, then hope for the best.
[11:54] <Hyperiant> Interesting.  ...I've never done a distro upgrade, either.
[12:03] <Hyperiant> Deepfriedice: Thanks for all of the help (and for being on; you would not believe how empty #xubuntu is at this hour)
[12:05] <Deepfriedice> Hyperiant: No problem. I'm considering spending more time on here, especially if #Xubuntu is short on help.
[12:05] <Hyperiant> It really is.  I've had a lot of run-ins with empty chat here, and Ubuntu chat is less than friendly to outsiders.
[12:06] <Hyperiant> Mostly I get "we don't support that distro, check the other channel" or "I can't help you"
[12:06] <Deepfriedice> Huh, you'd think they would be less willing to drive people off.
[12:07] <Hyperiant> I guess it depends on people's moods.  Each tech is a different person.
[12:08] <Hyperiant> I was actually recommended Xubuntu (along with Lubuntu, which I dropped because Xubuntu was prettier, lighter, and still fits on a CD)
[12:08] <Hyperiant> ...from that channel, I mean.  But anyway, I'm getting a bit off-topic.  This is a support channel.
[12:09] <Deepfriedice> Xubuntu rocks
[12:10] <Deepfriedice> Aparently there is a off-topic channel #xubuntu-offtopic
[12:10] <Hyperiant> My only problem (and this is an Ubuntu error, not Xubuntu-specific) is that for my brand of laptop, you need to add options snd-hda-codec-realtek index=-2 to the alsa-base.conf in order for sound to function properly
[12:11] <Hyperiant> It's not much of a hassle, but it's not apparent, either.  Took me a good few hours of Googling to find that command.
[12:12] <olbi> hello, Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS was relaeased. When will be ready Xubuntu 12.04.2? and there will be Kernel 3.5.0-23.35?
[12:13] <Hyperiant> Xubuntu 12.04.2 LTS already has a release
[12:13] <Hyperiant> I literally just installed it, haha
[12:14] <Hyperiant> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/  Under "Latest Stable Release"
[12:15] <hrw> Hyperiant: report bug to kernel bugzilla about that kernel argument
[12:15] <hrw> Hyperiant: so next versions will get quirk for it so users will not have to set it again
[12:15] <olbi> ok, thx :D there isn't changes at official site, only here: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xubuntu-12-04-2-LTS-Is-Available-for-Download-Supports-UEFI-Secure-Boot-329741.shtml
[12:17] <Hyperiant> hrw: Ubuntu has a bugzilla?  I don't know where it is.
[12:18] <hrw> Hyperiant: better in kernel bugilla not ubuntu bugtracker
[12:18] <Hyperiant> hrw: Also, what about Launchpad?
[12:18] <hrw> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/
[12:18] <hrw> Hyperiant: ou can ask on #ubuntu-kernel which way they prefer
[12:19] <Hyperiant> Ah, k; I need to go sleep but I'll try to get that done
[12:20] <hrw> Hyperiant: thanks
[15:12] <Doctor_Vex> is there a reason why no Flash plays in in FF? the element is just missing despite having installed the Flash plugin and having it listed as active plugin in FF
[15:13] <GridCube> Doctor_Vex, have you installed the xubuntu-restricted extras?
[15:14] <Doctor_Vex> how can i check that?
[15:14] <GridCube> do sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted extras, or check for the restricted-extras on the ubuntu software center
[15:15] <koegs> or just install "flashplugin-installer" instead of all that restricted-extras crap
[15:17] <Doctor_Vex> ill try the installer
[15:18] <Doctor_Vex> "is already newest version"
[15:18] <GridCube> but all the restricted extras make everything media related work
[15:18] <Doctor_Vex> ill try the package next
[15:20] <GridCube> Doctor_Vex, can you open this page please? https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[15:20] <Doctor_Vex> its installing
[15:21] <GridCube> yeah but your flash its already installed
[15:21] <koegs> wait, yo did not have it installed yet? how did you install the flash plugin in the first place?
[15:21] <GridCube> try that page, particularly this box https://www.adobe.com/swf/software/flash/about/flashAbout_info_small.swf
[15:24] <Doctor_Vex> i know that page. the flash item does not show up
[15:25] <Doctor_Vex> and i think i installed the flash plugin via the Software Center when i was browsing for useful stuff
[15:27] <GridCube> if its installed it should just work
[15:27] <Doctor_Vex> it could also be a weird hardware issue, as i cant find drivers for the ATI Mobility Radeon
[15:27] <Doctor_Vex> which brings me back to my problem from yesterday
[15:28] <Doctor_Vex> as this is a older Dell Laptop
[15:28] <GridCube> mmmm ati... bad luck
[15:28] <GridCube> tried chromium?
[15:28] <Doctor_Vex> i tried nothing so far as no one had any idea when i asked
[15:28] <Doctor_Vex> and i could not find helpful info on the net
[15:29] <GridCube> well chromium, as chrome, uses other flash engine different from the rest of linux systems
[15:29] <GridCube> try chromium
[15:29] <Doctor_Vex> so no idea on the drivers?
[15:29] <GridCube> if everything fails you can use other engines to emulate flash, like gnash or even the vlc plugin
[15:30] <Doctor_Vex> also well. i dont want to put the burden of a emulated flash on this PIII 1 GHz ;v
[15:30] <GridCube> the vlc plugin works
[15:31] <GridCube> at least for me, it worked on a PII back in the days, and by that i mean a few months ago
[15:32] <Doctor_Vex> VLC plugin for what?
[15:34] <GridCube> firefox
[15:35] <Doctor_Vex> i installed the player but not the plugin
[15:36] <GridCube> mmmhm its not default because it conflicts with the standard flash player
[15:36] <GridCube> you want one, or the other, not both
[15:42] <Doctor_Vex> does that mean i have to uninstall the adobe one or can i disable it in FF?
[15:43] <GridCube> disabling it should suffice
[15:46] <Doctor_Vex> i cant find it
[15:46] <Doctor_Vex> how can i install it
[15:48] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install browser-plugin-vlc
[16:02] <Doctor_Vex> so thank you so far. unfortunately it doesnt work
[16:03] <Doctor_Vex> i even started FF with both active
[16:03] <GridCube> you have some other problem then
[16:05] <Doctor_Vex> its weird
[16:06] <Doctor_Vex> but also not vital. the people who get it wont care much about flash anyway
[16:11] <Doctor_Vex> hahahah wth
[16:11] <GridCube> what
[16:11] <Doctor_Vex> suddenly on the ATI support site a embedded youtube video shows up
[16:11] <Doctor_Vex> and works
[16:12] <GridCube> hahahaha
[16:12] <GridCube> XD
[16:12] <Doctor_Vex> that is somehow ironic
[16:13] <GridCube> i would call it buggy, but ironic works
[16:58] <Doctor_Vex> how can i reduce the color depth to 24 bit?
[17:00] <Doctor_Vex> also how can i best test the 3D acceleration
[17:00] <Doctor_Vex> there is probably a non ATI driver doing a good work
[17:00] <holstein> !ati
[17:01] <holstein> i usually end up with the proprietary drivers...
[17:01] <Doctor_Vex> well its much more complicated with this old laptop
[17:02] <holstein> not really.. either the hardware is supported well, or not
[17:02] <holstein> i usually just try the different drivers.. even the vesa one
[17:02] <GridCube> !info glxgears
[17:02] <GridCube> mmm
[17:02] <holstein> i usually go with whatever suits my needs
[17:02] <Doctor_Vex> i found this here
[17:02] <Doctor_Vex> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=935726
[17:03] <GridCube> !info mesa-utils
[17:03] <GridCube> ^ that helps you test 3d
[17:04] <holstein> yeah, that contains glxgears, correct GridCube ?
[17:04] <GridCube> yes
[17:04] <holstein> Doctor_Vex: you can install mesa-utils and run glxgears and test 3d
[17:04] <Doctor_Vex> installing
[17:10] <Doctor_Vex> and how do i run it?
[17:10] <holstein> Doctor_Vex: i would open a terminal and type "glxgears" and press "enter"
[17:10] <c2tarun> I installed the window manager "awesome", now I am not getting the option of changing the window manager, from settings editor in Windows Manager its not there.
[17:11] <holstein> c2tarun: those are xfce window manager tweaks likely
[17:11] <holstein> c2tarun: what are you trying to end up with?
[17:11] <Doctor_Vex> ok thanks that works. 24 FPS
[17:11] <Doctor_Vex> and that means hardware 3D woks on this machine?
[17:12] <c2tarun> holstein: actually awesome window manager can help me in tiling windows.
[17:12] <c2tarun> holstein: so I was trying to switch from XFCE WM to Awesome WM.
[17:12] <laite> c2tarun: you should be able to launch awesome instead of xfce from login screen
[17:12] <c2tarun> laite: will that launch awesome on XFCE or just awesome?
[17:12] <holstein> yeah.. i would do that at login c2tarun
[17:13] <c2tarun> ok, let me try
[17:13] <holstein> c2tarun: try it and see if it doesn what you want/need
[17:13] <GridCube> Doctor_Vex, if you see the gears, then you are seeing 3D
[17:13] <Doctor_Vex> ok. that is a good thing
[17:14] <Doctor_Vex> however, does that mean it is hardware 3D or emulated CPU 3D?
[17:15] <GridCube> its should have told you what is using on the glxgears dump
[17:25] <c2tarun> holstein: on starting awesome from login screen, its starting kind of awesome desktop :( which is very scary
[17:25] <c2tarun> I just wan't its window manager
[17:27] <holstein> c2tarun: scary?
[17:27] <c2tarun> holstein: yeah, you should check its desktop wallpaper, like some corpse peeping through some wooden box
[17:28] <holstein> c2tarun: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7405
[17:28] <holstein> i think you are assumin you need/want awesome.. if all you want is tiling windows in xfce you might want to try something native
[17:28] <holstein> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=78605
[17:29] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/210231/xubuntu-12-10-window-tiling-shortcuts
[17:30] <timmma> hello Im wondering where I find settings to connect to a projector
[17:31] <torax> timmma: theres a really nice little program called arandr
[17:31] <timmma> okay.
[17:31] <holstein> timmma: i'll be like connecting another monitor
[17:31] <timmma> okay thanks :)
[17:33] <GridCube> c2tarun, doesnt awesome has a --replace option?
[17:33] <c2tarun> GridCube: don't know, but I think I found a solution: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_XFCE   its not awesome but its xmonad a similar WM
[17:36] <timmma> also anyone know a good video player other then VLC
[17:36] <torax> mplayer
[17:36] <GridCube> mplayer trhough smplayer is the best
[17:37] <holstein> timmma: "good" is a matter of opinion.. what are you looking for that VLC is not doing?
[17:37] <timmma> just somthing that will play videos fast and easy
[17:37] <GridCube> timmma, do you have an nvidia gpu?
[17:38] <timmma> nope, its an intel intagrated video card
[17:38] <timmma> GridCube:
[17:39] <holstein> timmma: i find VLC both fast and easy.. what is it not doing?
[17:39] <GridCube> yep, mplayer, using any of its front ends, should be fast
[17:39] <c2tarun> sometimes vlc takes too much time to start
[17:40] <c2tarun> smplayer is pretty fast though
[17:40] <timmma> holstein: VLC  just doesn't get along with my netbook
[17:40] <GridCube> indeed :)
[17:40] <GridCube> timmma, try smplayer, sudo apt-get install smplayer --no-install-recommends
[17:40] <GridCube> because smplayer uses qt :P
[17:41] <timmma> whats "QT"?
[17:41] <holstein> !qt
[17:41] <torax> it will install half of kde for you without --no-install-recommends right ? :D
[17:42] <GridCube> right
[17:42] <GridCube> well im not sure, i just do that for any qt stuff, just to be sure
[17:48] <xubuntu699> Hello! I there going to be Xubuntu R Alpha 2 release?
[17:49] <xubuntu699> *Is
[17:53] <GridCube> dont think so, no
[17:54] <GridCube> just dailies
[17:54] <holstein> you can always just upgrade and get the current packages.. i would check at #ubuntu+1 do make sure there are no "deal breakers"
[18:29] <bullgard4> [Xubuntu 10.04] How to increase the number of workspaces from 2 to 4 in the Workspace Switcher?
[18:30] <timmma> bullgard4: right click on it then go to settings
[18:32] <bullgard4> timmma: There  appears a context menu. This context menu does not show any menu item "settings".
[18:33] <xubuntu699> thank you for answers, I went for dailies and then remembered Testdrive :)
[18:33] <timmma> bullgard4: what about right clicking on the workspace switcher
[18:34] <xubuntu699> pre 4.10 I think didnt have Workspace Settings item (?) what version of Xubuntu do you use, bullgard?
[18:35] <timmma> xubuntu699: 10.04
[18:36] <xubuntu699> Yes, I think it has Xfce 4.6 or 4.8. You have to go through Settings in main menu
[18:36] <xubuntu699> then Workspaces or something lie that
[18:37] <xubuntu699> *like
[18:37] <bullgard4> xubuntu699: If I press Applications > Accesssories > About Ubuntu, it tells me "You are using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS."
[18:39] <pepperbird> heyo, anyone got any general tips for uefi systems? i have windows 7 on one drive, and I have an empty sata-drive that I want to install xubuntu on
[18:39] <pepperbird> will this be a problem? it didn't work with wubi
[18:42] <bullgard4> [solved] Applications > Settings > Xfce4 Settings Manager > Workspaces > Number of workspaces=4 did the trick.
[18:43] <xubuntu699> Cool :)
[18:44] <bullgard4> pepperbird: Please read the articles in http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Wiki/Tags?tag=UEFI. But they are still under construction.
[18:44] <pepperbird> thanks
[18:45] <pepperbird> this is in german though, i guess i could google translate it
[18:45] <bazhang> !uefi
[18:45] <bazhang> pepperbird, ^
[18:45] <bullgard4> pepperbird: I am sorry for this inconvenience.
[18:46] <pepperbird> thanks
[18:47] <bazhang> np
[18:48] <bullgard4> Where can I find an Update Manager in Xubuntu 10.04?
[18:49] <bullgard4> [solved]
[18:51] <bullgard4> If I upgrade from Xubuntu 10.04 to Xubuntu 12.04.2 using Update manager, will keyboard shortcuts be retained?
[18:53] <xubuntu699> I always do fresh install :)
[18:53] <xubuntu699> and, of course, I have /ho on separate partition
[18:54] <xubuntu699> */home
[18:56] <bullgard4> xubuntu699: I have done 4 years successfully without a separate home partion. So let's see if I will do likewise the next 4 years.
[19:02] <pepperbird> bazhang do you think doing this via wubi will work? i currently don't have any dvd/cd-rom or any usb-stick
[19:02] <bazhang> pepperbird, wubi? thats more of a "test drive"
[19:03] <pepperbird> oh
[19:03] <pepperbird> i thought it was an installation method
[19:03] <pepperbird> so there's no way to install it from windows?
[19:04] <holstein> !wubi
[19:05] <pepperbird> "like" a windows application could mean either "in the same way you would" or actually "in the form of"
[19:06] <holstein> pepperbird: you go to the same place to remove it
[19:06] <holstein> pepperbird: in "add remove" applications, or however you remove applications in windows.. "like" a  windows application
[19:06] <pepperbird> i see
[19:06] <pepperbird> so it's in the form of
[19:06] <pepperbird> dang :(
[19:07] <holstein> pepperbird: whats the issue?
[19:07] <pepperbird> i have no installation media available
[19:07] <holstein> if you have no other way of doing it, wubi is what you are doing
[19:07] <pepperbird> well it sounds sketchy
[19:07] <pepperbird> to install it as a windows app
[19:07] <pepperbird> i want it indepentent from windows on a separate sata-drive
[19:07] <holstein> sketchy?
[19:08] <holstein> when/if it becomes "sketchy", you can easily remove it
[19:08] <pepperbird> like, "not as good"
[19:08] <holstein> pepperbird: what are the differences? the main one is the file system
[19:08] <holstein> pepperbird: if you have no other option, then you have no other option
[19:08] <Doctor_Vex> what is the best lightweight PDF and EPUB viewer for ubuntu?
[19:08] <holstein> pepperbird: i think we would all agree an install would be arguably "better", but if you can only do wubu, you can only do wubi
[19:09] <pepperbird> well i could go and buy a usb stick
[19:09] <pepperbird> if wubi is notably worse
[19:09] <pepperbird> hmm
[19:10] <pepperbird> maybe i have one, i'll go have a look
[19:10] <holstein> its arguably "worse".. its different
[19:16] <bullgard4> Doctor_Vex: Document viewer Evince
[19:18] <Doctor_Vex> ah its already installed. thanks
[20:06] <drc> Just noticed that 12.04.2 Ubuntu went to a 3.5 kernel, with the spins/flavours going to it in .3.  Is Xubuntu planning this also?
[20:06] <knome> xubuntu is a flavor
[20:07] <Unit193> Basically, same repos, so same versions unless you hold or pin something.
[20:07] <drc> I'm sorry...the exact quote is "We expect to convert other flavours in 12.04.3" (the key word is "expect")  That's why I was asking..
[20:08] <knome> i'm sure the expecting refers more to the fact that the kernel team expects to be able to do it before .3, not xubuntu being willing or not
[20:09] <drc> ah...BDFL strikes again :)
[20:10] <drc> Thanks
[20:10] <knome> i'm sure we can opt-out too, but i don't see a reason why we should.
[20:10] <knome> we've been given much more control over our own things lately
[20:13] <drc> The real reason I was asking was, if my math is correct, with the End of UKT support being March of 2014, there will be another major kernel update before the Xubuntu 12.04 LTS expires.
[20:33] <pepperbird> hello again
[20:34] <pepperbird> i'm in the live cd, trying to set up my secondary hdd as the guide says
[20:34] <pepperbird> via gparted
[20:34] <pepperbird> i can't set any mount point though and i can't install to it :/
[20:35] <well_laid_lawn> open a terminal and run the   mount  command
[20:35] <well_laid_lawn> check for the hdd there
[20:35] <xubuntu955> hello there. can anyone help me out on firmware raid and grub?
[20:36] <xubuntu955> I've just installed xubuntu, but fails when installing grub
[20:36] <well_laid_lawn> how does it fail?
[20:36] <xubuntu955> Executing 'grub-install /dev/mapper/isw_xxxx_VOL0' failed
[20:37] <xubuntu955> both VOL0 and BOL0p1 fail
[20:37] <xubuntu955> *VOL0p1
[20:37] <well_laid_lawn> see if the wiki helps
[20:37] <well_laid_lawn> !raid
[20:38] <xubuntu955> I'll check. thanks.
[20:38] <pepperbird> if i understood the guide right, i should create a 200 MiB fat32 partition with a boot flag on a gpt partition table
[20:39] <pepperbird> should i use the rest of the hdd space for, say ext3 then?
[20:39] <well_laid_lawn> I'd use ext4
[20:39] <well_laid_lawn> there might be tips here
[20:40] <well_laid_lawn> !install
[20:40] <pepperbird> i'm reading the efi install guide
[20:40] <pepperbird> but it's not very clear
[20:41] <well_laid_lawn> I haven't used efi yet - someone else might know something
[20:41] <well_laid_lawn> if no one here does you could try #ubuntu
[20:43] <pepperbird> alright
[20:43] <pepperbird> you would know about boot loaders though right?
[20:43] <pepperbird> does it matter where i install the boot loader?
[20:44] <pepperbird> contrary to, what seems like, every other person i'm installing linux on a separate hard drive rather than splitting one
[20:45] <GridCube> pepperbird, what seems to be the problem?
[20:45] <pepperbird> actually nvm i think i figured it out
[20:45] <pepperbird> naturally i should install the boot loader onto the efi partition i just created, right GridCube?
[20:47] <GridCube> pepperbird, oh, uefi... that things is going to kill me one of this days
[20:47] <GridCube> yes pepperbird you "should" install to the efi partition
[20:47] <pepperbird> haha
[20:47] <GridCube> but yous the bootmbr
[20:47] <Unit193> !uefi
[20:47] <GridCube> s/yous/just/
[20:48] <GridCube> yes, please read that link pepperbird and if things go wrong boot-repair is your best bestest friend in the world
[20:48] <pepperbird> that link is what i'm referring to
[20:48] <pepperbird> it's what i'm reading already :/
[20:48] <pepperbird> but it's not very clear
[20:48] <Unit193> Ah, alrighty.  Very useful, I've used it once.
[20:48] <pepperbird> plus it says that the xubuntu installation will detect the mount point automatically
[20:48] <pepperbird> but it doesn't
[20:51] <pepperbird> so how would I go about creating a /boot/efi mountpoint on the partition i just made?
[20:55] <g16> pepperbird: create the partition, then mkdir /boot/efi, finally mount the partition as /boot/efi
[20:56] <xubuntu955> ah! chroot solved
[20:56] <xubuntu955> thanks
[20:56] <g16> directory /boot/efi is not on thbe partition, it /is/ the partition mountpoint.
[20:58] <pepperbird> g16: where do i navigate before i do the 'mkdir' ?
[20:58] <pepperbird> im assuming i have to navigate to that specific hard drive first somehow
[20:58] <GridCube> no need to
[20:59] <GridCube> you are giving it an absolute location
[21:00] <pepperbird> okay so i did mkdir /boot/efi in a fresh terminal window
[21:00] <pepperbird> then what?
[21:01] <pepperbird> where would i go to mount?
[21:01] <pepperbird> can't do it in gparted
[21:01] <pepperbird> it's outgrayed
[21:01] <g16> Do not go anywhere, just do: mount /dev/sdXY /boot/efi          where sdXY is the partition on the hard drive
[21:02] <g16> You can close gparted once you've created the partition.
[21:02] <pepperbird> alright, giving it a shot
[21:06] <pepperbird> alright, when i try to install it says no root file system defined
[21:06] <pepperbird> assuming i have to mount /home or something to the ext4 partition?
[21:07] <holstein> pepperbird: you just have to define a root partition
[21:07] <holstein> you have no root file system defined.. so you define one
[21:08] <holstein> tell the installer to use whatever partition you want as /
[21:08] <pepperbird> how would i tell it though?
[21:11] <holstein> pepperbird: id have to refer to the scroll back to see why you are not letting the installer automatcially do it, but in gparted, if thats where you are, you can set mountpoint.. set it to /
[21:13] <holstein> probably something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkXATVq75IQ
[21:22] <ianharper> Hey, why am i getting tar (child): jre-7u13-linux-i586.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory?   From "sudo tar -zxvf jre-7u13-linux-i586.tar.gz -C /usr/lib/jvm"
[21:23] <ianharper> Trying to install Oracle Java on Chromium
[21:23] <holstein> ianharper: on chromium?
[21:23] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[21:24] <ianharper> *for in Voyager 12.10 :\
[21:24] <holstein> or http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-in-ubuntu-12-04.html
[21:24] <ianharper> For Chromium (derp)
[21:24] <holstein> ianharper: voyager is not xubuntu or ubuntu... and java will be installed system wide
[21:24] <ianharper> cool i'll check it out
[21:24] <holstein> i would follow those docs and try asking in a voyager support channel if you think it might break something
[21:25] <ianharper> ty
[21:30] <pepperbird> holstein : creating a / mountpoint doesn't seem to affect the installer
[21:30] <pepperbird> still the same error
[21:30] <pepperbird> the reason i'm doing it manually is because i have no clue which disk it will "erase" if i go by the automatic install
[21:31] <GridCube> pepperbird, i still dont understand your problem, you should simply install using the 64bit desktop installer, say its uefi and done
[21:31] <GridCube> i dont see why you would need to do all of this
[21:31] <pepperbird> how would i know that it installs on the right hard drive?
[21:31] <holstein> pepperbird: i would want to have a clue, and good backups
[21:31] <GridCube> if it doesnt boot just use boot-repair and let it fix the boot properly
[21:32] <holstein> pepperbird: you can direct the installer to free space
[21:32] <holstein> pepperbird: you can also just set the mountpoints in the intaller manually
[21:32] <pepperbird> well there sure isn't a button for it
[21:33] <pepperbird> there's a "Change..." button
[21:33] <pepperbird> which lets me pick from a dropdown list of various types
[21:33] <g16> You did the partition in gparted. On the top right, there's a menu, saying /dev/sdX. Tell the installer to use that same sdX.
[21:33] <pepperbird> yes, i am
[21:37] <pepperbird> i would love to provide a printscreen but the networking seems to have died
[21:37] <holstein> seems?
[21:37] <pepperbird> well it died
[21:37] <pepperbird> it says it's connected
[21:37] <pepperbird> but i can't go out on the internet
[22:05] <Karsto> Hello there,  somebody around to help me test an xfce issue?
[22:06] <holstein> Karsto: ask and we'll see
[22:06] <Karsto> i experienced some possibly unwanted behaviour
[22:07] <holstein> Karsto: did you want it?
[22:07] <Karsto> if i drag a window to the upper edge of the screen it usually docks there occupying the upper half
[22:07] <Unit193> That's normal, it's the tiling feature of Xfce.
[22:08] <Karsto> if i then maximize said window (either clicking on the plus or double clicking the window frame)
[22:09] <Karsto> the window gets stuck under the taskbar
[22:09] <holstein> Karsto: id look for a bug, and if not, make one.. see if you can get someone to confirm it
[22:10] <Karsto> thats what i'm here for
[22:10] <Karsto> to find somebody to confirm this :)
[22:10] <holstein> Karsto: someone running stock xubuntu... i could do that later if you link the bug #,.. if ou cant find someone else
[22:10] <Karsto> maybe it is just a fluke on my system
[22:10] <ianharper> Hi, Anyone know how to figure this out? "update-alternatives: error: alternative path /opt/jdk1.6.0_14_x64/bin/java doesn't exist" (noob alert!!)
[22:10] <holstein> ianharper: i would not do it that way
[22:11] <Unit193> Karsto: What version of Xubuntu??
[22:11] <holstein> ianharper: i used the ppa, but im not sure how voyager expects you do install java. i would ask
[22:11] <g16> I can confirm on 12.10.
[22:11] <ianharper> Only french speakers :(
[22:11] <g16> The window is not maximised, and the title bar is put a bit over the upper screen edge.
[22:11] <Karsto> nice :)
[22:12] <Karsto> just what i see
[22:12] <Unit193> I can't on a fully updated version of 12.10.
[22:12] <ianharper> ah i'll figure it out
[22:12] <Karsto> i'm on 12.04 lts
[22:12] <holstein> ianharper: i would just see if you have java installed.. you dont need that command
[22:13] <Unit193> When I "push" it to the top of the screen to fill the upper half, it then gives the option to "Restore" the half-maximized window, and double clicking does nothing on the title.
[22:13] <Karsto> it's not all windows, xchat does not do it, firefox does, thunar does
[22:14] <g16> Transmission does.
[22:15] <holstein> well, thats enough for a bug report.. i would run them from the terminal and see if you see any error output
[22:16] <Karsto> i'll file a bug report, maybe link to a screenshot
[22:16] <holstein> Karsto: that would be helpful, i think
[22:22] <Unit193> Ah, when I "Restore" thunar it does, just didn't on the other couple I did.
[22:29] <Karsto> H
[22:30] <Karsto> I mean, I searched the bugs, to see if something similar already exists for xubuntu,
[22:31] <Karsto> does not seem so.
[22:32] <Unit193> Launchpad is kind of the place, but I'd check the xfce bugzilla as well.
[22:32] <Karsto> Only looked in lauchpad so far
[22:34] <ianharper> @holstein got it workin for firefox not Chrome but that not a problom. Ty dude!
[22:35] <holstein> ianharper: cheers.. im sure you'll get it, since its installed system wide now, or should be
[22:35] <holstein> running java in browsers is a bad idea anyways.. unlesss you just must
[22:35] <holstein> ianharper: could be chome has disabled it for security reasone by default
[22:36] <ianharper> :) hard to know, but ya know when somthin annoys ya IT must be fixed hahaha
[22:37] <holstein> i supppose.. you can always just check chrome and see if its disabled
[22:38] <Karsto> What do you think of this: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8766
[22:38] <Karsto> :)
[22:38] <Karsto> timing
[22:39] <holstein> ianharper: chrome://plugins/
[22:40] <Karsto> so somehow un-/maximizing of tiled widows is buggy
[22:40] <Karsto> +n
[22:41] <Karsto> ill add to the bug above, but not now, have to be somewhere, cu all.
[22:41] <ianharper> Woot! was disabled, its always the simple fix derp :)
[22:42] <holstein> ianharper: well, not always, but when i can remember, i like to try the simple stuff first :)
[22:42] <holstein> also, keep in mind why its disabled, and consider leaving it that way til you need it
[22:42] <ianharper> :) Legend!
[22:43] <xubuntu105> ciao
[22:44] <xubuntu105> c'è qualcuno?
[22:44] <xubuntu105> eiiii
[22:44] <knome> !it | xubuntu105
[22:46] <pepperbird> hello again
[22:46] <pepperbird> i took a picture of the setup & error with my camera
[22:46] <pepperbird> http://bit.ly/XU5Nof
[22:47] <pepperbird> oh ofc its tilted
[22:47] <holstein> let me save it locally so i can rotate it and make it smaller
[22:47] <Cheri703> in the "mount point" section, you need to have one mounted as /
[22:47] <Cheri703> that's why there's no root file system as far as I can tell
[22:48] <pepperbird> yes, but look above
[22:48] <pepperbird> in the gparted
[22:48] <pepperbird> it says there is a mount point
[22:48] <g16> click the "Change" button, then select / in the dropdown list "use as"
[22:48] <g16> You do not do that in gparted, once you've applied the changes to partitions you close gparted
[22:48] <pepperbird> yea, i didn't do it in gparted, i did it from the terminal
[22:48] <pepperbird> but alright
[22:49] <pepperbird> clicked change
[22:49] <pepperbird> there's no "/" to pick
[22:49] <g16> see a dropdown list?
[22:49] <pepperbird> yes, there are a bunch of file systems in it
[22:49] <Cheri703> not file systems
[22:49] <Cheri703> mount point
[22:50] <Cheri703> or "use as" or something like that
[22:50] <pepperbird> yea "use as:" and i can pick "ext4 journaling file system, ext3 journaling file system, ext2 file system, reiserfs file system" etc
[22:50] <holstein> pepperbird: under the "mout point" section of gparted's GUI
[22:51] <holstein> you are in the wrong place
[22:51] <pepperbird> sorry i don't really understand
[22:51] <pepperbird> should i go back to gparted?
[22:52] <Cheri703> not gparted. in the "something else" what options do you have when you click "change"?
[22:52] <holstein> pepperbird: just wait and i'll do it and tell you *exactly*
[22:52] <pepperbird> cheri703, i have options of different file systems
[22:52] <pepperbird> okay holstein
[22:52] <Cheri703> anything else?
[22:53] <holstein> pepperbird: i ccant do it from here.. without being in the installer
[22:53] <holstein> pepperbird: its under the mountpoint section
[22:54] <pepperbird> holstein: as you can see from my photo the mount points are already set when viewing the drive in gparted
[22:55] <pepperbird> but in the installer they don't show up
[22:55] <Cheri703> ignore gparted
[22:55] <Cheri703> only look at the installer
[22:55] <holstein> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=189&p=481430
[22:55] <holstein> pepperbird: correct, the mount points are set incorrectly
[22:56] <holstein> pepperbird: you can set one as root, then the installer will not complain about not having a root partition
[22:56] <pepperbird> so 'root' instead of '/'
[22:56] <pepperbird> ?
[22:56] <pepperbird> Cheri703: i only used gparted to view my disk
[22:56] <pepperbird> i mounted via terminal
[22:57] <holstein> pepperbird: dont... just use the installer.. use the installer to set the mountpoints in the partitions you created with gparted
[22:57] <pepperbird> there is no option to set mount points in the installer
[22:58] <pepperbird> the only button is "change..."
[22:58] <holstein> pepperbird: there is
[22:58] <g16> The mountpoints in gparted are of no use in the installer. They are about the current session of the system that you have booted. They are not necessarily those of the system you're going to install.
[22:58] <holstein> change would be a good start..
[22:58] <Cheri703> it is under the change dialog
[22:58] <holstein> yeah, its gotta be done by the installer
[22:58] <Cheri703> give me a sec and I can bring up the installer and get screenshots, hang on
[22:58] <pepperbird> in change i have various file systems to choose from, + swap area, reserved bios boot area, efi boot partition, physical volume for encryption, do not use the partition.
[22:59] <Cheri703> under do not use
[22:59] <Cheri703> click that
[22:59] <g16> Select ext4 in "use as", this will turn "Mount point" from grey to white (editable).
[22:59] <Cheri703> you should have / or other things
[22:59] <pepperbird> ty g16
[22:59] <g16> Then, click on the arrow in the white "Mount point" box, you'll see / and a few other mountpoints, and you'll click /
[23:01] <pepperbird> yea that solved it
[23:01] <pepperbird> thanks guys
[23:03] <Cuberspace> hello
[23:04] <Cuberspace> i have a question i have windows and xubuntu i can access websites on my windows that i can't access on my xubuntu any ideas ?
[23:04] <holstein> Cuberspace: sites? or content, like flash?
[23:05] <Cuberspace> sites such as hotmail for example
[23:05] <Cuberspace> i don't need to set a proxy on my windows to access it
[23:05] <Cuberspace> however it says connection timeout when i do that with xubuntu
[23:10] <Cuberspace> Holstein: any clues on thi ?
[23:11] <holstein> Cuberspace: no.. i would try as a different user to remove my user config from the equation. i would look at DNS..
[23:12] <Cuberspace> its same taken automaticly from my router, plus not all websites wont open some does such as youtube google i just have problems with hotmail and facebook
[23:14] <Cuberspace> i tried to install ubuntu instead of Xubuntu, it installed and all when i load it it get to select user screen i put my password all i can see is a desktop background with no icons no nothing, so perhaps you can help me with that ?
[23:14] <Unit193> What happens if you type  dig facebook.com   in a terminal?  Can you ping it?  (ping facebook.com)
[23:14] <Cuberspace> lemme checlk
[23:15] <Cuberspace> it pinged it
[23:18] <Unit193> So if you change your DNS settings to 8.8.8.8 does that help at all?
[23:21] <Cuberspace> when i changed the dns it simply lost connection to the internet
[23:21] <g16> I'm clueless, but I'd look at the error message of wget http://facebook.com
[23:22] <pepperbird> one last question, "Device for boot loader installation" should i pick '/dev/sdc' which is the actual hdd, or the '/dev/sdc1' which is the partition for the efi boot?
[23:24] <Cuberspace> even wine web-browser is not working on loading anything
[23:26] <Cuberspace> The connection to mail.live.com was interrupted. this is the error message i'm getting