[00:04] I would just like to ask for my own curiosity... I just found out what the "+dfsg" part of a packagename is about. I was wondering, is there some opposite naming convention for a package, to show that the proprietary parts were left in? [00:05] genii-around: well, if it has proprietary parts it'll be in restricted/multiverse [00:06] genii-around: but no, there isn't, as +dfsg1 means that the tarball was repackaged [00:07] yofel: OK, thanks! [02:07] Does anyone know anything about a current adobe-flash bug. It just happened after my last updates. I can't watch videos. === fenris is now known as Guest68519 [09:57] happy weekend [09:58] not so happy actually :( [09:58] aww, what's up? === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [11:23] Howdy all [13:28] Hey yo shadeslayer Riddell [13:28] hi smartboyhw [13:28] shadeslayer, seeming Kubuntu 13.04 breaks my computer graphics:*( [13:28] oh [13:29] what hardware? [13:29] The login screen [13:29] shadeslayer, Notebook ATI Mobility 4350 [13:29] hmm [13:29] whats the issue? [13:29] After the Kubuntu boot screen my screen went snowy at the bottom, black on the top [13:30] 0.o [13:30] 0.o [13:30] Anyway I will using Ubuntu Studio (my another contributing OS):P [13:31] heh [13:31] smartboyhw: proprietary drivers? [13:31] or the opensource ones [13:32] shadeslayer, I think the opensource ones [13:32] * smartboyhw doesn't know much about graphics [13:32] try the proprietary ones? and report a bug against the radeon driver? [13:33] shadeslayer, OK [13:33] smartboyhw, which graphics card , lspci | grep VGA , should tell us [13:33] BluesKaj: shadeslayer, Notebook ATI Mobility 4350 [13:33] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV710 [Mobility Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series] [13:34] BluesKaj, ^ [13:34] shadeslayer, that's nor a graphics card [13:34] it isn't? [13:34] As I said: I know nothing about graphics [13:34] Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series, ok [13:35] BluesKaj: if you something about the 6700/7000 series, let me know as well :P [13:35] shadeslayer, don't tell me you have issues [13:36] smartboyhw: not exactly, I don't think the drivers support my card yet [13:36] but I could be wrong [13:36] shadeslayer, too new?:P [13:36] yeah [13:36] well ,usually the additional drivers are sufficient [13:36] apparently bought in 2011 is too new [13:36] shadeslayer, not good then [13:36] I thought using a 2012 4th quarter one is new [13:37] yeah well, I get some weird error about how the V_BIOS signature doesn't match [13:37] shadeslayer, that's a BIOS problem then [13:37] Or is it not? [13:37] 2011 is not too new [13:38] smartboyhw: BIOS? lol [13:38] Macbook Pro, all I have is EFI [13:38] shadeslayer, grrr Macintosh computers are a problem to Ubuntu. Not the Macbooks, powerpc [13:38] * BluesKaj stays away from macs and linux ...too many issues' [13:38] smartboyhw: actually the 2011 model now boots fine [13:38] as long as you have some outb commands in grub [13:39] powerpc builds are getting headaches for Lubuntu [13:39] but yeah, not going to get any more computers from Apple [13:40] shadeslayer, I predict Apple's doom in 3 years:P [13:40] SAMSUNG WILL RULE [13:40] LOL [13:40] heh [13:40] I bet rbelem is pretty happy to hear that [13:41] shadeslayer, who's rbelem? Samsung kernel developer?:P [13:41] he works at Samsung, does Android stuff I think :) [13:41] shadeslayer, ah === Topic unset by smartboyhw on #kubuntu-devel [14:20] shadeslayer, are you going to merge my copyright fix for Plasmate in!? [14:22] smartboyhw: did you fix it? [14:23] shadeslayer, I did..... Look at https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/plasmate-copyright/+merge/148361 [14:23] I updated the branch [14:24] ah okay [14:24] will have a look [14:25] shadeslayer, :)\ [15:06] shadeslayer, BTW any upcoming KDE software releases? [15:07] heh no [15:07] shadeslayer, heh:P I heard that KDE 4.10.1 is coming soon though [15:08] yeah [15:08] heh , 4.10 isn't stable yet on some systems [15:08] BluesKaj, heh [15:09] some ppl seem to a some audio problems after upgrading to 4.10 [15:09] have === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [15:53] uh [15:53] * smartboyhw has changed topic for #kubuntu-devel to: "" [15:54] yofel_, whoa? How come!?!?!?!? === yofel_ changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: "Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Raring Alpha 1 Released | Packaging TODO: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas [15:54] * smartboyhw shouldn't have privileges... [15:54] smartboyhw: we don't have a locked topic [15:54] anyone can change it === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:54] yofel_, ah dang you should lock it [15:54] please no [15:54] we put notes in there [15:55] yofel, uh sorry for that [15:55] smartboyhw: well, anyone wipes it at least once, so don't worry ;P [15:55] yofel, LOL [15:55] * smartboyhw makes mental note of it [15:56] BluesKaj: it should mostly work, the worst bug I know of is kde bug 311751 [15:56] KDE bug 311751 in widget-systemtray "QML system tray crashes plasma-desktop on startup" [Crash,Resolved: upstream] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311751 [15:57] * yofel doesn't have sounds issues on raring and quantal btw. [15:58] me meither yofel , audio seems fine here [15:58] neither [16:00] apachelogger: did you backport the phonon backend releases btw.? or do they need raring? [16:01] * smartboyhw wents EOD (End of day) [16:01] s/wents/goes [16:01] s/wents/goes/ [16:01] smartboyhw meant: "s/goes/goes" [16:01] !? [16:01] LOL [16:27] smartboyhw: well, anyone wipes it at least once, so don't worry ;P [16:27] how true :D === murthy_ is now known as murthy [16:36] Installed kubuntu 13.04 , installation went well except, after clicking the proceed button in the first screen that shows the requirements took more than 5 mins to switch to the next partitioning screen [16:37] murthy: yeah, that takes time [16:37] shadeslayer: any reason? [16:38] it searches your partition and all, so that's going to take time [16:38] shadeslayer:one min [16:39] "took more than 5 mins" - no, it shouldn't do that, even if you have several HDD's in sleep with lots of partitions [16:40] like anyone would expect this to take several minutes [16:40] and I believe we don't say it might take several minutes either [16:41] * shadeslayer thinks that 1 minute can seem like 5 minutes [16:41] when using software [16:42] well, yeah, but that's UI fail then if the user feels like that [17:08] shadeslayer: As yofel said it wont take that much long, it was more than 5 mins actually. I thought that some new changes was made, something like checking for a updated installer at the install time [17:09] hm [17:09] not really [17:09] on VM [17:09] on VM's it's fine [17:09] takes about a minute [17:09] shadeslayer: could a bad mirror make this? [17:10] uh, no [17:10] shadeslayer: i nistalled in my system with a ext4 partition [17:10] shouldn't matter then [17:10] * shadeslayer needs something to check the SMART status of his drivr [17:10] *drive [17:11] shadeslayer: from a dvd as source medium and i am sure the medium is not a problem [17:11] hmm [17:11] usually reading from DVD's is slower [17:11] shadeslayer: who is your drive manufacturer ? [17:11] so *maybe* that? [17:12] murthy: does it matter?? [17:12] shadeslayer: but that will show a busy indicator [17:12] shadeslayer: smartctl -a ? [17:12] shadeslayer: if its a segate one, use the segate bootable image, instead of the app [17:12] yofel: no [17:13] yofel: the bootable image is very good [17:13] yofel: smartmontools ? [17:13] shadeslayer: yeah [17:13] murthy: I wasn't talking about your image [17:13] lets see [17:13] yofel: ?? [17:14] yofel: the smartctl stuff didn't work well [17:14] always worked for me [17:14] it don't trust the drive's "status" anyway [17:15] the actual data values have more value [17:15] yofel: anyway if there is an error, Seagate recommends to use the bootable one [17:15] blergh [17:15] this does not look good [17:15] drive looks to be in pre failiure [17:15] murthy: if it puts it in the error log like it should, then smartctl will show that [17:15] shadeslayer: how is your drive? [17:16] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1664588/ [17:16] seagate ...haven't had much luck with them [17:16] much luck getting it replaced? [17:16] because this is already been replaced once [17:17] plus, this is a WDC drive [17:17] BluesKaj: true [17:17] shadeslayer: the drive seems to be new [17:17] shadeslayer: only ~260 hrs [17:17] shadeslayer: how is your power supply? [17:17] shadeslayer: what's the issue anyway? [17:17] I don't use it *alot* :P [17:18] murthy: don't have one [17:18] shadeslayer: which one? [17:18] they last out the warrnty and then die ...had 2 of them do so [17:18] yofel: just making sure it doesn't fail before I get my data off it [17:18] I have a 5 year warranty on this thing :P [17:18] BluesKaj: after their 160 gb mark, every drive is a crap [17:19] both were 320G .. a few yrs bck [17:19] BluesKaj: i mean all the seagate [17:19] BluesKaj: wd is good [17:19] shadeslayer: it should, but what's the problem with the drive in the first place? [17:19] yofel: there is none [17:19] yup WD seem to be more rugged [17:19] yofel: just making sure it doesn't fail before I get my data off it [17:20] shadeslayer: well, that smart table looks good, so it shouldn't be failing [17:20] shadeslayer: laptop? [17:20] oh [17:20] murthy: no, that's the external drive [17:21] yofel: maybe I'm reading it wrong [17:21] shadeslayer: in that case i highly recommend you check the usb cable [17:21] 0.o [17:21] shadeslayer: long usb cables can cause an issue [17:21] errr... how? :P [17:21] shadeslayer: also when the usb power [17:22] m4v: use a recommended good quality usb drive cablew [17:22] shadeslayer: ^ [17:22] shadeslayer: also *check the usb power [17:22] that's like saying I should use one of those high end HDMI cables [17:22] that retail for a 1000 USD [17:22] shadeslayer: no [17:23] shadeslayer: probably around 300rs [17:23] murthy: The usb cable does not matter [17:23] ... [17:23] you missed my point [17:23] it's just a cable, it does not matter [17:23] shadeslayer: you probably are. No errors looked and the values are ok. Worst case use seagate's check after all if you're not sure what to look for [17:23] shadeslayer: no , it does [17:23] heh, we use a 50ft hdmi at our little studio , runs from the laptop to the tv [17:24] works fine [17:24] shadeslayer: my system will not detect a ext drive is the cable is long [17:24] BluesKaj: the hdmi will work fine, but the ext usb drive one wont [17:25] BluesKaj: the system checks for the cable length [17:25] lol it does not [17:25] there are USB specifications [17:25] let me search for this on the internet [17:25] if your USB cable is longer, the voltage will drop too much [17:25] and hence your drive gets no power and cannot transfer data reliably [17:26] a costlier cable will not help in such a case :P [17:26] well I use a 20 ft /6.5m usb cable for this wireless KB and mouse ...works ok [17:27] the usb transceiver is connected to this end [17:27] shadeslayer: no the voltage is not a issue here [17:27] shadeslayer: the ping time [17:27] * shadeslayer falls off his chair [17:27] heh, I wonder if you can call it ping time when using USB devices [17:28] idk if that would be the right term [17:28] latency? [17:28] shadeslayer: from what i know, longer cable induces more noise in a serial comm and [17:28] ^ that, is right [17:28] yofel: ya [17:28] sure [17:28] for insanely long connections, you buy a shielded cable [17:28] the latency too [17:28] "The USB 1.1 Standard specifies that a standard cable can have a maximum length of 3 meters with devices operating at Low Speed (1.5 Mbit/s), and a maximum length of 5 meters with devices operating at Full Speed (12 Mbit/s).[citation needed]" [17:29] "USB 2.0 provides for a maximum cable length of 5 meters for devices running at Hi Speed (480 Mbit/s). The primary reason for this limit is the maximum allowed round-trip delay of about 1.5 μs" [17:29] so yes, latency does play an issue, but for regular use, you don't need a cable worth 300 INR :P [17:29] that's just an crazy amount of money to spend for a USB cable [17:30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Cabling [17:30] shadeslayer: thats a theoretical recommendation 3 [17:31] shadeslayer: in practical cases manufacturers don't give that much perfection [17:31] shadeslayer: the cost is just a rough estimate [17:31] I think I can reasonably assume that the spec designers accounted for some errors [17:31] and that the tolerances are good enough [17:31] shadeslayer: no [17:32] shadeslayer: the usb standards mention oly the the theoritical values [17:32] I disagree [17:33] shadeslayer: you can also compare the usb 1.1 device standards and the current max efficiency 1.1 device that was available [17:33] I'm reasonably certain that they would have take into account tolerances [17:34] murthy: I'm not saying that if you buy a super cheap cable then it'll work perfectly [17:34] but most of the cables I have are the ones you get with phones [17:35] shadeslayer: you mean the 6 inch one? [17:35] I have never measured them :P [17:35] I have 4-5 of them [17:35] shadeslayer: that should work perfectly [17:35] 2 of them from my kindle, 3-4 of them from my phone [17:36] and I'm reasonably certain that they did not spend something as high as 300 INR making them :P [17:36] shadeslayer: my friend's transcend drive only works when using a two usb cable [17:37] shadeslayer: I mean i was not sure about the cost, in my place it would cost you 100 rs [17:38] when using 2 USB cables? maybe it needs a separate power source? [17:39] shadeslayer: http://www.hobby-circuits.com/files/726/usb-power-injector-for-external-hard-drives2_orig.jpg [17:39] right [17:39] so for eg. my Raspberry Pi can't power my drive [17:39] because it doesn't have enough power on the board [17:40] shadeslayer: ya [17:40] same thing with that drive [17:40] it needs more power [17:40] shadeslayer: we have to check the power specs for it [17:40] errr .. no thanks [17:41] shadeslayer: do you have a rasberry pi? [17:41] yeah [17:43] nice [17:44] having my dinner, will be back in 10 mins [17:45] 23:14:51 up 11 days, 7:28, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.04, 0.05 [17:45] from my Raspberry Pi :P [17:45] awesome [17:46] I am going to buy one, i need to clarify somethings before that, i will talk to you when you are free [17:47] murthy: sure [17:47] won't run Ubuntu :P [17:48] and I'm running Raspbian on it [17:48] probably anyone that has one here does that. I failed at understanding pacman and haven't yet time to try RiscOS on it [17:49] *had time [17:50] heh [17:51] well, more like with raspbian I have everything up and running using ~8GiB on the SDHC card. With arch I was at ~12 with pieces missing [17:51] heck, portage was easier to understand [17:52] lol [17:59] shadeslayer: btw. tried to build on armhf with the new qemu version in raring yet? I tried it yesterday and cmake just hangs at some random point everytime [17:59] strace says it's polling from something, but it's weird that the failure point is rather random. [17:59] (that was a kdelibs build) [18:00] :S [18:00] not really [18:17] sheytan: so, what's the new on boot theming? [18:18] where can i find the kubuntu install log? [18:19] apachelogger: still working. Had a heavy day at work today. Was fightting with customer's outlook db ;/ [18:19] this stuff is sick! [18:19] uhhh [18:19] outlook dbg [18:19] -g [18:19] sounds sick :P [18:19] * apachelogger sooooooooo tired [18:20] apachelogger: do i really need inkscape to do thie graphics? [18:20] you will use png anyway [18:20] no [18:20] but I need coordinates [18:21] * sheytan is not feeling comfortable about inkscape [18:21] of the composite gear [18:21] i think gimp can do the same [18:21] for all I care you can use MS Paint, i just need the cooridnates :P [18:22] sheytan: FWIW I'd like to get the colors settled asap so we can get started on refitting the CD and Grub [18:22] (i.e. background color + appropriate text color) [18:23] apachelogger: bgcolor not finalised? [18:24] yofel: should i have to use sponsor-patch? [18:27] sorry to interrupt the discussion, can someone help me on this bug 1127404 [18:27] bug 1127404 in qtmultimedia-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "conflict between libqt5multimediaquick5 and libqt5multimediaquick-p5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1127404 === jackyalcine is now known as zz_jackyalcine [18:40] whic x and y you want again apachelogger? [18:41] all of them === zz_jackyalcine is now known as jackyalcine [18:49] sheytan: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1kpqodXYoWUFH9nbSOqqUD2LNuklFuStowOp54cDLDLY/edit?usp=sharing [18:50] assuming the left border of the left part is x=0 and the bottom border of the bottom part is y=0 [18:51] at the same time the top border of the top part is y=heightOfPixmap and either top or bottom right border is x=widthOfPixmap [18:52] (I think the bottom one is the one that depicts width) [18:52] (not important anyway...) [18:52] ring.png x 155,00 y 115,00. ring-glow.png x 127,00 y 127,00 and i'm sending you the files now [18:53] i didn't change your files. Just made them white [18:53] http://www.sendspace.com/file/ps9nq1 [18:54] what do we do about the tile? [18:54] switch it to the background i send you? [18:55] http://imageshack.us/a/img577/9308/bg2ft.png [18:55] this one will be better then the other one i showed you [18:56] I need a tile of that [18:59] you want to repeat it to fit in the screen size? [18:59] yes [18:59] this makes me cry now [19:00] but ok [19:00] just a sec ;) [19:00] apachelogger: 200x200? [19:01] yep [19:06] apachelogger: http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/8111/tail200.png [19:06] but that way, we won't get gradient colors [19:06] couse you cannot repeat it [19:11] apachelogger: please make a better quality video this time if possible [19:19] apachelogger: webm please [19:21] shadeslayer: bgcolors finalised? [19:21] huh? [19:22] shadeslayer: sorry [19:22] sheytan: bgcolors finalised? [19:25] murthy: not yet [19:26] sheytan: the black textured bg that you showed is ok? I feek its very good [19:26] murthy: i'm not happy with it [19:27] but i still thing about how to improve it ;) [19:27] sheytan: any thing else you have ? [19:27] not yet [19:35] murthy: you don't need to use it (and I don't know how to use it) [19:35] yofel: ok [19:36] yofel: you said that the debdiff is the diff file created with the diff of the two .changes files? [19:36] no [19:36] it's the output of "debdiff " [19:37] yofel: oh ok [19:41] yofel: where can i find the kubuntu install log? [19:45] the installer logs? /var/log/installer/ I believe === murthy is now known as murthy_ === murthy_ is now known as murthy === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter === murthy is now known as murthy_ === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [22:31] \o [22:37] it's... Quintasan! [22:45] Indeed. [22:51] shadeslayer: ping [22:53] Riddell: Can you remind me where is the l18n KDE magic? [22:53] I have to fix this damn ibus magic once and for all [22:55] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide [22:55] well, the master branch is correct at least [22:57] so [22:57] what is was that I had to do.. [22:57] hmm [22:57] * Quintasan looks at notes he made [22:58] BOILERPLATE="# ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !#\n# DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT CHANGING THIS FILE DIRECTLY! ! ! !\n# PLEASE USE THE BZR BRANCH AS SEEN IN debian\/control\n# MAKE YOUR CHANGES THERE AND THEN RUN debian\/build-l10n.sh\n# kthxbai [22:58] :)\n################################################################################\n################################################################################\n################################################################################\n################################################################################" [22:58] wow [23:00] yofel: who do I blame for this monstrosity? [23:00] apachelogger most likely [23:00] it's rather small these days though [23:00] apachelogger: how can I add per-langpack deps? [23:00] the whole svn pulling code was removed [23:00] without breaking the whole damn thing? [23:00] you do know bash, do you? ^^ [23:01] I *THINK* I do [23:01] that's what I thought too until I read that script :P [23:02] this is going to be a pain [23:02] jp will need dep on ibus anthy [23:03] ch will need dep on ibus pinyin [23:03] omfg [23:03] I will have to make a list [23:03] needs build-l10n.sh edited I think [23:03] Quintasan: see functions at the top of the file [23:03] in lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common/ [23:03] those do something similiar [23:03] so just add one like that and call it at the appropriate place [23:04] hmm [23:04] cd kde-l10n-$kdecode/debian/ [23:05] I'd have to append something the the first occurence of Depends [23:05] if kdecode == lang code [23:05] does this make sense? [23:07] * apachelogger sighs [23:07] semantically yes, although you might want to use switch [23:07] I actually told you the algorithmic outline of how to add per-package deps the last time you asked about it [23:07] would have been good to take notes [23:07] ... [23:07] you did? [23:07] * Quintasan can't remember that [23:07] well [23:08] he did ^^ [23:08] remembering that would imply I have to dig through quassell log [23:11] Quintasan: see how it adds a calligra dep at the end there [23:12] that's sed magic [23:13] now I'm interested how do I get the lang code [23:14] $kdecode ? [23:19] * yofel is starting to find apt increasingly annoying [23:19] bug 1127476 [23:19]