[00:04] <genii-around> I would just like to ask for my own curiosity... I just found out what the "+dfsg" part of a packagename is about. I was wondering, is there some opposite naming convention for a package, to show that the proprietary parts were left in?
[00:05] <yofel> genii-around: well, if it has proprietary parts it'll be in restricted/multiverse
[00:06] <yofel> genii-around: but no, there isn't, as +dfsg1 means that the tarball was repackaged
[00:07] <genii-around> yofel: OK, thanks!
[02:07] <robtygart> Does anyone know anything about a current adobe-flash bug. It just happened after my last updates. I can't watch videos. 
[09:57] <Riddell> happy weekend
[09:58] <shadeslayer> not so happy actually :(
[09:58] <Riddell> aww, what's up?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Hey yo shadeslayer Riddell 
[13:28] <shadeslayer> hi smartboyhw
[13:28] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, seeming Kubuntu 13.04 breaks my computer graphics:*(
[13:28] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:29] <shadeslayer> what hardware?
[13:29] <smartboyhw> The login screen
[13:29] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, Notebook ATI Mobility 4350
[13:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:29] <shadeslayer> whats the issue?
[13:29] <smartboyhw> After the Kubuntu boot screen my screen went snowy at the bottom, black on the top
[13:30] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[13:30] <smartboyhw> 0.o
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Anyway I will using Ubuntu Studio (my another contributing OS):P
[13:31] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:31] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: proprietary drivers?
[13:31] <shadeslayer> or the opensource ones
[13:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I think the opensource ones
[13:32]  * smartboyhw doesn't know much about graphics
[13:32] <shadeslayer> try the proprietary ones? and report a bug against the radeon driver?
[13:33] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK
[13:33] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, which graphics card , lspci | grep VGA , should tell us
[13:33] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, Notebook ATI Mobility 4350
[13:33] <smartboyhw> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV710 [Mobility Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series]
[13:34] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, ^
[13:34] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, that's nor a graphics card
[13:34] <shadeslayer> it isn't?
[13:34] <smartboyhw> As I said: I know nothing about graphics
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series, ok 
[13:35] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: if you something about the 6700/7000 series, let me know as well :P
[13:35] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, don't tell me you have issues
[13:36] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: not exactly, I don't think the drivers support my card yet
[13:36] <shadeslayer> but I could be wrong
[13:36] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, too new?:P
[13:36] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:36] <BluesKaj> well ,usually the additional drivers are sufficient 
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apparently bought in 2011 is too new
[13:36] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, not good then
[13:36] <smartboyhw> I thought using a 2012 4th quarter one is new
[13:37] <shadeslayer> yeah well, I get some weird error about how the V_BIOS signature doesn't match
[13:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, that's a BIOS problem then
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Or is it not?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> 2011 is not too new 
[13:38] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: BIOS? lol
[13:38] <shadeslayer> Macbook Pro, all I have is EFI
[13:38] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, grrr Macintosh computers are a problem to Ubuntu. Not the Macbooks, powerpc
[13:38]  * BluesKaj stays away from macs and linux ...too many issues'
[13:38] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: actually the 2011 model now boots fine
[13:38] <shadeslayer> as long as you have some outb commands in grub
[13:39] <smartboyhw> powerpc builds are getting headaches for Lubuntu
[13:39] <shadeslayer> but yeah, not going to get any more computers from Apple
[13:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I predict Apple's doom in 3 years:P
[13:40] <smartboyhw> SAMSUNG WILL RULE
[13:40] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:40] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:40] <shadeslayer> I bet rbelem is pretty happy to hear that
[13:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, who's rbelem? Samsung kernel developer?:P
[13:41] <shadeslayer> he works at Samsung, does Android stuff I think :)
[13:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ah
[14:20] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, are you going to merge my copyright fix for Plasmate in!?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: did you fix it?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I did..... Look at https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/plasmate-copyright/+merge/148361
[14:23] <smartboyhw> I updated the branch
[14:24] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[14:24] <shadeslayer> will have a look
[14:25] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :)\
[15:06] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, BTW any upcoming KDE software releases?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> heh no
[15:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, heh:P I heard that KDE 4.10.1 is coming soon though
[15:08] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:08] <BluesKaj> heh , 4.10 isn't stable yet on some systems
[15:08] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, heh
[15:09] <BluesKaj> some ppl seem to a some audio problems after upgrading to 4.10
[15:09] <BluesKaj> have
[15:53] <yofel_> uh
[15:53] <yofel_> * smartboyhw has changed topic for #kubuntu-devel to: ""
[15:54] <smartboyhw> yofel_, whoa? How come!?!?!?!?
[15:54]  * smartboyhw shouldn't have privileges...
[15:54] <yofel_> smartboyhw: we don't have a locked topic
[15:54] <yofel_> anyone can change it
[15:54] <smartboyhw> yofel_, ah dang you should lock it
[15:54] <yofel> please no
[15:54] <yofel> we put notes in there
[15:55] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh sorry for that
[15:55] <yofel> smartboyhw: well, anyone wipes it at least once, so don't worry ;P
[15:55] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[15:55]  * smartboyhw makes mental note of it
[15:56] <yofel> BluesKaj: it should mostly work, the worst bug I know of is kde bug 311751
[15:57]  * yofel doesn't have sounds issues on raring and quantal btw.
[15:58] <BluesKaj> me meither yofel , audio seems fine here 
[15:58] <BluesKaj> neither
[16:00] <yofel> apachelogger: did you backport the phonon backend releases btw.? or do they need raring?
[16:01]  * smartboyhw wents EOD (End of day)
[16:01] <smartboyhw> s/wents/goes
[16:01] <smartboyhw> s/wents/goes/
[16:01] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "s/goes/goes"
[16:01] <smartboyhw> !?
[16:01] <smartboyhw> LOL
 smartboyhw: well, anyone wipes it at least once, so don't worry ;P
[16:27] <shadeslayer> how true :D
[16:36] <murthy> Installed kubuntu 13.04 , installation went well except, after clicking the proceed button in the first screen that shows the requirements took more than 5 mins to switch to the next partitioning screen
[16:37] <shadeslayer> murthy: yeah, that takes time
[16:37] <murthy> shadeslayer: any reason?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> it searches your partition and all, so that's going to take time
[16:38] <murthy> shadeslayer:one min
[16:39] <yofel>  "took more than 5 mins" - no, it shouldn't do that, even if you have several HDD's in sleep with lots of partitions
[16:40] <yofel> like anyone would expect this to take several minutes
[16:40] <yofel> and I believe we don't say it might take several minutes either
[16:41]  * shadeslayer thinks that 1 minute can seem like 5 minutes
[16:41] <shadeslayer> when using software
[16:42] <yofel> well, yeah, but that's UI fail then if the user feels like that
[17:08] <murthy> shadeslayer: As yofel said it wont take that much long, it was more than 5 mins actually. I thought that some new changes was made, something like checking for a updated installer at the install time
[17:09] <shadeslayer> hm
[17:09] <shadeslayer> not really
[17:09] <shadeslayer> on VM
[17:09] <shadeslayer> on VM's it's fine
[17:09] <shadeslayer> takes about a minute
[17:09] <murthy> shadeslayer: could a bad mirror make this? 
[17:10] <shadeslayer> uh, no
[17:10] <murthy> shadeslayer: i nistalled in my system with a ext4 partition
[17:10] <shadeslayer> shouldn't matter then
[17:10]  * shadeslayer needs something to check the SMART status of his drivr
[17:10] <shadeslayer> *drive
[17:11] <murthy> shadeslayer: from a dvd  as source medium and i am sure the medium is not a problem
[17:11] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:11] <shadeslayer> usually reading from DVD's is slower
[17:11] <murthy> shadeslayer: who is your drive manufacturer ?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> so *maybe* that?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> murthy: does it matter??
[17:12] <murthy> shadeslayer: but that will show a busy indicator
[17:12] <yofel> shadeslayer: smartctl -a ?
[17:12] <murthy> shadeslayer: if its a segate one, use the segate bootable image, instead of the app
[17:12] <murthy> yofel: no
[17:13] <murthy> yofel: the bootable image is very good
[17:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: smartmontools ?
[17:13] <yofel> shadeslayer: yeah
[17:13] <yofel> murthy: I wasn't talking about your image
[17:13] <shadeslayer> lets see
[17:13] <murthy> yofel: ??
[17:14] <murthy> yofel: the smartctl stuff didn't work well
[17:14] <yofel> always worked for me
[17:14] <yofel> it don't trust the drive's "status" anyway
[17:15] <yofel> the actual data values have more value
[17:15] <murthy> yofel: anyway if there is an error, Seagate recommends to use the bootable one
[17:15] <shadeslayer> blergh
[17:15] <shadeslayer> this does not look good
[17:15] <shadeslayer> drive looks to be in pre failiure
[17:15] <yofel> murthy: if it puts it in the error log like it should, then smartctl will show that
[17:15] <murthy> shadeslayer: how is your drive?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1664588/
[17:16] <BluesKaj> seagate ...haven't had much luck with them
[17:16] <shadeslayer> much luck getting it replaced?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> because this is already been replaced once
[17:17] <shadeslayer> plus, this is a WDC drive
[17:17] <murthy> BluesKaj: true
[17:17] <murthy> shadeslayer: the drive seems to be new
[17:17] <murthy> shadeslayer: only ~260 hrs
[17:17] <murthy> shadeslayer: how is your power supply?
[17:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: what's the issue anyway?
[17:17] <shadeslayer> I don't use it *alot* :P
[17:18] <shadeslayer> murthy: don't have one
[17:18] <murthy> shadeslayer: which one?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> they last out the warrnty and then die ...had 2 of them do so
[17:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: just making sure it doesn't fail before I get my data off it
[17:18] <shadeslayer> I have a 5 year warranty on this thing :P
[17:18] <murthy> BluesKaj: after their 160 gb mark, every drive is a crap
[17:19] <BluesKaj> both were 320G .. a few yrs bck 
[17:19] <murthy> BluesKaj: i mean all the seagate
[17:19] <murthy> BluesKaj: wd is good
[17:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: it should, but what's the problem with the drive in the first place?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: there is none
[17:19] <BluesKaj> yup WD seem to be more rugged
 yofel: just making sure it doesn't fail before I get my data off it
[17:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, that smart table looks good, so it shouldn't be failing
[17:20] <murthy> shadeslayer: laptop?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:20] <shadeslayer> murthy: no, that's the external drive
[17:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe I'm reading it wrong
[17:21] <murthy> shadeslayer: in that case i highly recommend you check the usb cable
[17:21] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[17:21] <murthy> shadeslayer: long usb cables can cause an issue
[17:21] <shadeslayer> errr... how? :P
[17:21] <murthy> shadeslayer: also when the usb power
[17:22] <murthy> m4v: use a recommended good quality usb drive cablew
[17:22] <murthy> shadeslayer: ^
[17:22] <murthy> shadeslayer: also *check the usb power
[17:22] <shadeslayer> that's like saying I should use one of those high end HDMI cables
[17:22] <shadeslayer> that retail for a 1000 USD
[17:22] <murthy> shadeslayer: no
[17:23] <murthy> shadeslayer: probably around 300rs
[17:23] <shadeslayer> murthy: The usb cable does not matter
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ...
[17:23] <shadeslayer> you missed my point
[17:23] <shadeslayer> it's just a cable, it does not matter
[17:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: you probably are. No errors looked and the values are ok. Worst case use seagate's check after all if you're not sure what to look for
[17:23] <murthy> shadeslayer: no , it does
[17:23] <BluesKaj> heh, we use a 50ft hdmi at our little studio , runs from the laptop to the tv
[17:24] <BluesKaj> works fine
[17:24] <murthy> shadeslayer: my system will not detect a ext drive is the cable is long
[17:24] <murthy> BluesKaj: the hdmi will work fine, but the ext usb drive one wont
[17:25] <murthy> BluesKaj: the system checks for the cable length
[17:25] <shadeslayer> lol it does not
[17:25] <shadeslayer> there are USB specifications
[17:25] <murthy> let me search for this on the internet
[17:25] <shadeslayer> if your USB cable is longer, the voltage will drop too much
[17:25] <shadeslayer> and hence your drive gets no power and cannot transfer data reliably
[17:26] <shadeslayer> a costlier cable will not help in such a case :P
[17:26] <BluesKaj> well I use a 20 ft /6.5m usb cable for this wireless KB and mouse ...works ok
[17:27] <BluesKaj> the usb transceiver is connected to this end 
[17:27] <murthy> shadeslayer: no the voltage is not a issue here
[17:27] <murthy> shadeslayer: the ping time
[17:27]  * shadeslayer falls off his chair
[17:27] <shadeslayer> heh, I wonder if you can call it ping time when using USB devices
[17:28] <shadeslayer> idk if that would be the right term
[17:28] <yofel> latency?
[17:28] <murthy> shadeslayer: from what i know, longer cable induces more noise in a serial comm and 
[17:28] <yofel> ^ that, is right
[17:28] <murthy> yofel: ya
[17:28] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:28] <shadeslayer> for insanely long connections, you buy a shielded cable
[17:28] <murthy> the latency too
[17:28] <shadeslayer> "The USB 1.1 Standard specifies that a standard cable can have a maximum length of 3 meters with devices operating at Low Speed (1.5 Mbit/s), and a maximum length of 5 meters with devices operating at Full Speed (12 Mbit/s).[citation needed]"
[17:29] <shadeslayer> "USB 2.0 provides for a maximum cable length of 5 meters for devices running at Hi Speed (480 Mbit/s). The primary reason for this limit is the maximum allowed round-trip delay of about 1.5 μs"
[17:29] <shadeslayer> so yes, latency does play an issue, but for regular use, you don't need a cable worth 300 INR :P
[17:29] <shadeslayer> that's just an crazy amount of money to spend for a USB cable 
[17:30] <shadeslayer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Cabling
[17:30] <murthy> shadeslayer: thats a theoretical recommendation 3
[17:31] <murthy> shadeslayer: in practical cases manufacturers don't give that much perfection
[17:31] <murthy> shadeslayer: the cost is just a rough estimate
[17:31] <shadeslayer> I think I can reasonably assume that the spec designers accounted for some errors
[17:31] <shadeslayer> and that the tolerances are good enough
[17:31] <murthy> shadeslayer: no
[17:32] <murthy> shadeslayer: the usb standards mention oly the the theoritical values 
[17:32] <shadeslayer> I disagree
[17:33] <murthy> shadeslayer: you can also compare the usb 1.1 device standards and the current max efficiency 1.1 device that was available
[17:33] <shadeslayer> I'm reasonably certain that they would have take into account tolerances
[17:34] <shadeslayer> murthy: I'm not saying that if you buy a super cheap cable then it'll work perfectly
[17:34] <shadeslayer> but most of the cables I have are the ones you get with phones
[17:35] <murthy> shadeslayer: you mean the 6 inch one?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> I have never measured them :P
[17:35] <shadeslayer> I have 4-5 of them
[17:35] <murthy> shadeslayer: that should work perfectly
[17:35] <shadeslayer> 2 of them from my kindle, 3-4 of them from my phone
[17:36] <shadeslayer> and I'm reasonably certain that they did not spend something as high as 300 INR making them :P
[17:36] <murthy> shadeslayer: my friend's transcend drive only works when using a two usb cable 
[17:37] <murthy> shadeslayer: I mean i was not sure about the cost, in my place it would cost you 100 rs
[17:38] <shadeslayer> when using 2 USB cables? maybe it needs a separate power source?
[17:39] <murthy> shadeslayer: http://www.hobby-circuits.com/files/726/usb-power-injector-for-external-hard-drives2_orig.jpg
[17:39] <shadeslayer> right
[17:39] <shadeslayer> so for eg. my Raspberry Pi can't power my drive
[17:39] <shadeslayer> because it doesn't have enough power on the board
[17:40] <murthy> shadeslayer: ya
[17:40] <shadeslayer> same thing with that drive
[17:40] <shadeslayer> it needs more power
[17:40] <murthy> shadeslayer: we have to check the power specs for it
[17:40] <shadeslayer> errr .. no thanks
[17:41] <murthy> shadeslayer: do you have a rasberry pi?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:43] <murthy> nice
[17:44] <murthy> having my dinner, will be back in 10 mins
[17:45] <shadeslayer>  23:14:51 up 11 days,  7:28,  1 user,  load average: 0.07, 0.04, 0.05
[17:45] <shadeslayer> from my Raspberry Pi :P
[17:45] <murthy> awesome
[17:46] <murthy> I am going to buy one, i need to clarify somethings before that, i will talk to you when you are free
[17:47] <shadeslayer> murthy: sure
[17:47] <shadeslayer> won't run Ubuntu :P
[17:48] <shadeslayer> and I'm running Raspbian on it
[17:48] <yofel> probably anyone that has one here does that. I failed at understanding pacman and haven't yet time to try RiscOS on it
[17:49] <yofel> *had time
[17:50] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:51] <yofel> well, more like with raspbian I have everything up and running using ~8GiB on the SDHC card. With arch I was at ~12 with pieces missing
[17:51] <yofel> heck, portage was easier to understand
[17:52] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw. tried to build on armhf with the new qemu version in raring yet? I tried it yesterday and cmake just hangs at some random point everytime
[17:59] <yofel> strace says it's polling from something, but it's weird that the failure point is rather random.
[17:59] <yofel> (that was a kdelibs build)
[18:00] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:00] <shadeslayer> not really
[18:17] <apachelogger> sheytan: so, what's the new on boot theming?
[18:18] <murthy> where can i find the kubuntu install log?
[18:19] <sheytan> apachelogger: still working. Had a heavy day at work today. Was fightting with customer's outlook db ;/
[18:19] <sheytan> this stuff is sick!
[18:19] <apachelogger> uhhh
[18:19] <apachelogger> outlook dbg
[18:19] <apachelogger> -g
[18:19] <apachelogger> sounds sick :P
[18:19]  * apachelogger sooooooooo tired
[18:20] <sheytan> apachelogger: do i really need inkscape to do thie graphics?
[18:20] <sheytan> you will use png anyway
[18:20] <apachelogger> no
[18:20] <apachelogger> but I need coordinates
[18:21]  * sheytan is not feeling comfortable about inkscape
[18:21] <apachelogger> of the composite gear
[18:21] <sheytan> i think gimp can do the same
[18:21] <apachelogger> for all I care you can use MS Paint, i just need the cooridnates :P
[18:22] <apachelogger> sheytan: FWIW I'd like to get the colors settled asap so we can get started on refitting the CD and Grub
[18:22] <apachelogger> (i.e. background color + appropriate text color)
[18:23] <murthy> apachelogger: bgcolor not finalised?
[18:24] <murthy> yofel: should i have to use sponsor-patch?
[18:27] <ejat> sorry to interrupt the discussion, can someone help me on this bug 1127404 
[18:40] <sheytan> whic x and y you want again apachelogger?
[18:41] <apachelogger> all of them
[18:49] <apachelogger> sheytan: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1kpqodXYoWUFH9nbSOqqUD2LNuklFuStowOp54cDLDLY/edit?usp=sharing
[18:50] <apachelogger> assuming the left border of the left part is x=0 and the bottom border of the bottom part is y=0
[18:51] <apachelogger> at the same time the top border of the top part is y=heightOfPixmap and either top or bottom right border is x=widthOfPixmap 
[18:52] <apachelogger> (I think the bottom one is the one that depicts width)
[18:52] <apachelogger> (not important anyway...)
[18:52] <sheytan> ring.png x 155,00 y 115,00. ring-glow.png x 127,00 y 127,00 and i'm sending you the files now
[18:53] <sheytan> i didn't change your files. Just made them white
[18:53] <sheytan> http://www.sendspace.com/file/ps9nq1
[18:54] <apachelogger> what do we do about the tile?
[18:54] <sheytan> switch it to the background i send you?
[18:55] <sheytan> http://imageshack.us/a/img577/9308/bg2ft.png
[18:55] <sheytan> this one will be better then the other one i showed you
[18:56] <apachelogger> I need a tile of that
[18:59] <sheytan> you want to repeat it to fit in the screen size?
[18:59] <apachelogger> yes
[18:59] <sheytan> this makes me cry now
[19:00] <sheytan> but ok
[19:00] <sheytan> just a sec ;)
[19:00] <sheytan> apachelogger: 200x200?
[19:01] <apachelogger> yep
[19:06] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/8111/tail200.png
[19:06] <sheytan> but that way, we won't get gradient colors
[19:06] <sheytan> couse you cannot repeat it
[19:11] <sheytan> apachelogger: please make a better quality video this time if possible
[19:19] <murthy> apachelogger: webm please
[19:21] <murthy> shadeslayer: bgcolors finalised?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> huh?
[19:22] <murthy> shadeslayer: sorry
[19:22] <murthy> sheytan: bgcolors finalised?
[19:25] <sheytan> murthy: not yet
[19:26] <murthy> sheytan: the black textured bg that you showed is ok? I feek its very good
[19:26] <sheytan> murthy: i'm not happy with it
[19:27] <sheytan> but i still thing about how to improve it ;)
[19:27] <murthy> sheytan: any thing else you have ?
[19:27] <sheytan> not yet
[19:35] <yofel> murthy: you don't need to use it (and I don't know how to use it)
[19:35] <murthy> yofel: ok
[19:36] <murthy> yofel: you said that the debdiff is the diff file created with the diff of the two .changes files?
[19:36] <yofel> no
[19:36] <yofel> it's the output of "debdiff <old.dsc> <new.dsc>"
[19:37] <murthy> yofel: oh ok
[19:41] <murthy> yofel: where can i find the kubuntu install log?
[19:45] <yofel> the installer logs? /var/log/installer/ I believe
[22:31] <Quintasan> \o
[22:37] <Riddell> it's... Quintasan!
[22:45] <Quintasan> Indeed.
[22:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[22:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you remind me where is the l18n KDE magic?
[22:53] <Quintasan> I have to fix this damn ibus magic once and for all
[22:55] <yofel> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[22:55] <yofel> well, the master branch is correct at least
[22:57] <Quintasan> so
[22:57] <Quintasan> what is was that I had to do..
[22:57] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:57]  * Quintasan looks at notes he made
[22:58] <Quintasan> BOILERPLATE="# ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !#\n# DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT CHANGING THIS FILE DIRECTLY! ! ! !\n# PLEASE USE THE BZR BRANCH AS SEEN IN debian\/control\n# MAKE YOUR CHANGES THERE AND THEN RUN debian\/build-l10n.sh\n# kthxbai 
[22:58] <Quintasan> :)\n################################################################################\n################################################################################\n################################################################################\n################################################################################"
[22:58] <Quintasan> wow
[23:00] <Quintasan> yofel: who do I blame for this monstrosity?
[23:00] <yofel> apachelogger most likely
[23:00] <yofel> it's rather small these days though
[23:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: how can I add per-langpack deps?
[23:00] <yofel> the whole svn pulling code was removed
[23:00] <Quintasan> without breaking the whole damn thing?
[23:00] <yofel> you do know bash, do you? ^^
[23:01] <Quintasan> I *THINK* I do
[23:01] <yofel> that's what I thought too until I read that script :P
[23:02] <Quintasan> this is going to be a pain
[23:02] <Quintasan> jp will need dep on ibus anthy
[23:03] <Quintasan> ch will need dep on ibus pinyin
[23:03] <Quintasan> omfg
[23:03] <Quintasan> I will have to make a list
[23:03] <Riddell> needs build-l10n.sh edited I think
[23:03] <yofel> Quintasan: see functions at the top of the file
[23:03] <Riddell> in lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common/
[23:03] <yofel> those do something similiar
[23:03] <yofel> so just add one like that and call it at the appropriate place
[23:04] <Quintasan> hmm
[23:04] <Quintasan> cd kde-l10n-$kdecode/debian/
[23:05] <Quintasan> I'd have to append something the the first occurence of Depends
[23:05] <Quintasan> if kdecode == lang code
[23:05] <Quintasan> does this make sense?
[23:07]  * apachelogger sighs
[23:07] <yofel> semantically yes, although you might want to use switch
[23:07] <apachelogger> I actually told you the algorithmic outline of how to add per-package deps the last time you asked about it
[23:07] <apachelogger> would have been good to take notes
[23:07] <apachelogger> ...
[23:07] <Quintasan> you did?
[23:07]  * Quintasan can't remember that
[23:07] <Quintasan> well
[23:08] <yofel> he did ^^
[23:08] <Quintasan> remembering that would imply I have to dig through quassell log
[23:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: see how it adds a calligra dep at the end there
[23:12] <Quintasan> that's sed magic
[23:13] <Quintasan> now I'm interested how do I get the lang code
[23:14] <yofel> $kdecode ?
[23:19]  * yofel is starting to find apt increasingly annoying
[23:19] <yofel> bug 1127476
[23:20] <yofel> you *can* do this without kubuntu-desktop, but only with aptitude
[23:20] <yofel> *without removing
[23:22] <apachelogger> yofel: supposedly the packaging is just crap :P
[23:22] <Quintasan> ...
[23:23] <Quintasan> why did shift + pgup stop working in mah konsole?
[23:24] <Riddell> because you're in a screen session?
[23:24] <Riddell> or were?
[23:24] <Riddell> use `reset` to fix
[23:26] <Quintasan> that doesnt seem to be the case Riddell
[23:26] <Quintasan> still doesn't work
[23:26] <Quintasan> whatever
[23:28] <Quintasan> this is getting more complex
[23:28] <Quintasan> there is a Russian backend
[23:28] <Quintasan> well
[23:28] <Quintasan> I will just add the ones I know that DON'T work and we will see from there
[23:30] <Quintasan> lol
[23:30] <yofel> apachelogger: it sure doesn't seem to be anything the casual user might want to attempt
[23:30] <Quintasan> yofel: I wrote the switch, only then I realised it's case in bash
[23:30] <yofel> heck, the release notes don't even have any instructions on how to use it
[23:30] <Quintasan> and now I have to translate it from C to bash xD
[23:30] <yofel> oh, sorry
[23:30] <yofel> I was thinking abstract
[23:30] <Quintasan> I was thinking the same thing
[23:31] <Quintasan> yofel, apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/aXaqL7nV
[23:31] <Quintasan> does this look even remotely correct?
[23:32] <apachelogger> no
[23:32] <Quintasan> ...
[23:32] <Quintasan> okay
[23:32] <apachelogger> there is a reason I opted for placeholders :P
[23:33] <apachelogger> also
[23:33] <apachelogger> recommends IMO
[23:33] <Quintasan> yeah sure and then you don't get input working :P
[23:33] <Quintasan> well
[23:33] <Quintasan> it can be Recommends
[23:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: What placeholders exactly? I don't even follow you now
[23:36] <Quintasan> you do stuff like cd kde-l10n-$kdecode/debian/
[23:36] <Quintasan> so I would expect editing files like that to work too
[23:36] <apachelogger> @@@PRN@@@
[23:38] <Quintasan> this does not telll me anything at all
[23:38] <yofel> you did not read the control file
[23:38] <Quintasan> well
[23:38] <apachelogger> nor the readme
[23:39] <apachelogger> nor the wiki page
[23:39] <apachelogger> Throughout the branch you find names like aaaUBUNTULANGCODEbbb the aaa and bbb are only there to uniquify them and ensure that we can sub them using regex without affecting other strings. They generally describe a represenation of the value that is going to be there, so in the above case the string would be replaced with the Ubuntu language code (e.g. ptbr, whereas the KDE version is pt@br). Never ever use a specific name but these place 
[23:39] <apachelogger> holders instead!
[23:42] <Quintasan> I TOTALLY don't get it
[23:42] <Quintasan> $kdecode will have values from tarball names, right?
[23:43] <Quintasan> then you substitute the damn thing everywhere so what's the problem?
[23:43] <Quintasan> damn thing being  aaaUBUNTULANGCODEbbb
[23:50]  * Quintasan tries doing it his way
[23:56]  * yofel doesn't want to be annoying, but still reminds Riddell and shadeslayer to please watch whether a package is maintained in bzr or not before uploading to the archive. amarok bzr was was 4 uploads behind the archive
[23:58] <Quintasan> ehhh
[23:58] <Quintasan> it works