[00:08] So if I go buy a nexus 4, I can test the developer preview on the 21st? [00:09] What's the process of putting something created in Qt Creator onto the phone, hopefully not too complicated [00:24] Hi comjf there is options in qtcreator that you can set up to falsh device of=ver net [00:24] then you can save them preferences [00:26] bobweaver: thanks [00:26] is the best bet just to buy phone of those phones off of ebay or something? [00:26] I already have a phone, and won't want a dataplan for this one [00:26] or a service plan of any kind haha [00:27] http://imagebin.org/246864 [00:27] might need to be rooted not sure we will know on the 21st [00:27] I dont even own a cell phone :/ [00:28] but I do have arm on qemu [00:28] which you can also set up to run from qtcreator on build [00:28] arm on qemu? no idea what those words mean [00:28] lol [00:28] arm like the processor? [00:29] yeah like what phones use [00:29] what is qemu [00:29] multi arch emulator [00:29] qemu is a emulator Like virtual box I think virtual box is fork of it [00:29] vbox is not a fork of qemu [00:30] so would it be possible to run the ubuntu flash coming out on the 21st on qemu emulator? [00:30] maybe [00:30] a proper image should be released soon [00:30] VirtualBox, released in January 2007, uses some of QEMU's virtual hardware devices, and has a built-in dynamic recompiler based on QEMU. As with KQEMU, [00:30] that is wikipedia fork was wrong word [00:31] then I'm wrong [00:31] * bobweaver is still trying to get all these "terms down " [00:31] ok. Yeah I mean I'm still learning base things before I'm going to get to the phone so I'm not in a rush, just curious [00:32] is there some benefit to running a QML project on QEMU rather then just through qmlviewer or scene [00:32] comjf, there is a front end gui for qemu I suggest tring out on debian and what not there is a bunch of tutorials even how to make your own image [00:33] noted. Thanks [00:33] qemu gives us things like installer options and "hardware specs" that can not be tested in qmlscece or qt1 viewer [00:34] like OS specific things [00:34] bobweaver: makes sense. I didn't even think of the install process... I know nothing about that haha [00:35] there is also android4X that runs in virtual box, I also o not know that much about phones [00:35] I forgot c++ needs to manage memory directly right... crap. Not like these nice high level scripting langauges [00:36] I just call delete on each variable I create when the function ends right? [00:36] and set their pointers to NULL [00:36] http://www.kirsle.net/blog/kirsle/android-4-0-in-virtualbox [00:37] comjf, I am not the best at c++ what I do (also never went to college for all this) but that said what I do. is make sure that I run valgrind it looks for leaks [00:37] if it finds them then I try to fix. or I ask others to help me fix [00:37] bobweaver: ok. also does andriod 4 support QT5? I didn't think it did [00:38] that is a great question [00:38] I dont know [00:38] I am sure that it does [00:38] ok [00:38] don't know why I didn't think it did then [00:38] wait android for X or android 4 ? [00:38] wait is there a android 4 ? [00:38] << clueless [00:40] oh the link you send me [00:40] its virtualbox for not andriod 4 haha nvm [00:40] says on blog [00:40] Don't expect a lot of apps to work -- for various reasons, apps that work on real Android devices may not function properly on Android-x86. [00:40] best to use qemu [00:41] this looks like It could be fun and cool ! http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/ [00:42] but that is for Pi I am sure that other images/zips w/kernels and what not will work [00:43] hey I have a pi [00:43] that I haven't have time to look at, just got it haha [00:43] you should try the code that I have for Ubuntu TV on it for me . [00:43] so I can run debian with QEMU on the pi [00:44] then somehow connect it? [00:44] read the blog [00:44] ok [00:44] sorry that is not what I meant [00:44] I am real sorry [00:44] that is def not what I was trying to say [00:44] lol no worries, but yeah if you want to give me a git link to your code I can try and run it [00:45] once I get the pi set up [00:45] what I was trying to say is there are many different types of arm and versions that are used [00:45] the clog talks about a couple things like that [00:45] blog * [00:46] there is a video by a kick a dude called kris about how to make your own arm images [00:46] I think it is like a couple parts long [00:47] nice. The problem I have is I need to borrow a friends sdcard reader to flash debian [00:47] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGnkzAiuhUk [00:51] the video sounds pretty great [00:52] its for archos, though should be similar for pi [00:53] yeah he just said it works for pretty much any arm [00:53] haha [00:53] this is a great resource... so much stuff I have to learn about [00:54] where in the dev process is the ubuntu-tv [01:17] comjf, what do you mean dev process [01:18] comjf, there is the channel #ubuntu-tv [01:19] bobweaver: is it able to be demoed yet? [01:20] comjf, I have a ppa [01:20] bobweaver: Oh, so it's released [01:20] no idea it was that far along [01:20] comjf, I am the un-offical lead UI developer for Ubuntu TV [01:20] let me get you a video .... [01:20] I thought it was on the same level as the phone [01:21] comjf, check this out [01:21] https://plus.google.com/u/0/104659991254860976283/posts/H5GKRE3ja2w [01:21] no I am waiting on the phone to go public then I will know what I have at my fingertips to use [01:22] like dbus libdee ect [01:22] so when user docs there phone and screen is bigger then 33 inchs it goes to formfactor TV [01:22] docks [01:23] or swichs form factor manually [01:23] nice [01:23] It will have the same thing as the Ubuntu SDK things but for TV [01:24] import Ubuntu.Compents.TV 01 [01:24] like that. Or that is a plain that I was thinking of we will see what happens [01:24] I am just a community dude though I do talk to many canonical people I myself do not work for them [01:26] so what is it exactly? It's not just an application, it's a stand alone OS meant specifically to be used as a TV? [01:26] If you would like to test the Ubuntu TV or (U2t transition name) There is a ppa but you must have 12.04 install I Highly recomend using a virtual box [01:26] It is just a form factor that changes depending on device it is running or stuff like that [01:27] Like One Phone = One desktop + One TV+ one tablet [01:27] ah ok [01:27] what are you using to create it, QML/QT? [01:27] yeah [01:27] does it only work with a certain window manager? [01:27] I also have to say that there where many many many people before me [01:28] well I guess it's for ubuntu, sorry still thinking about my arch days haha [01:28] depends now or the future [01:28] now: it can run on anything that Unity 2d can run on [01:28] which is almost all X [01:29] as Unity 2d or the oG unity-qt as it was called when it 1st stared back in 10.10 [01:29] is the ubuntu-phone going to automatically adjust screen size pending on if it's plugged into a dock/external monitor? I guess I'm just not grasping how this is different [01:29] after 12.04 libunity libdee and other things changed and people droped it [01:30] Yes [01:30] it will adjust [01:30] java script is handy for that but there is troubles (just like any thing new ) [01:31] like this [01:31] function tvPx(tvPixels) { [01:31] var distanceToDisplay = unity2dConfiguration.formFactor === "desktop" ? desktopDistanceToDisplay : tvDistanceToDisplay [01:31] var pixelDensity = unity2dConfiguration.formFactor === "desktop" ? desktopPixelDensity : tvPixelDensity [01:31] var factorFromTv = pixelDensity / tvPixelDensity * distanceToDisplay / tvDistanceToDisplay [01:31] return tvPixels * factorFromTv [01:31] yeah, I can only imagine [01:31] } [01:31] syntax error [01:31] un recognized " yeah, I can only imagine" [01:31] haha [01:31] but troubles are in 2 things mainly translations [01:31] bobweaver: isn't that the idea behind the 'grid unit' though [01:32] so it auto translates... I mean I won't have to worry about that from a developer standpoint will I? [01:32] No because of many different reasons [01:32] well think about this [01:33] say you have a Role of some sort has name like foo that returns some data and you do Text{text: foo } will work [01:33] but if you try to wrap that in translations then it would just return foo [01:34] like qsTr("foo") [01:34] hmm [01:34] same with propertys and also same with vars ect [01:35] workaround is to make functions for these things but that is a Ton of functions [01:35] or say you want to use html [01:35] you've lost me [01:35] Text{text: "foo"} [01:35] that would be in bold [01:35] why does i18n.tr("foo") not work? [01:36] can you use html in qml? [01:36] because it translates the string its self [01:36] Oh yeah you can [01:36] you can even do things like [01:36] why do you not want "foo" being translated? [01:37] "foo" is a user facing string right? [01:37] Text{text: "foos name:"+foo+"this"} [01:38] dmd, ok say that you have a XmlListModel do you know what that is ? [01:38] it sounds like an object [01:38] can be let me post some code and I will explain [01:38] * dmd is getting pizza, one min [01:40] dmd, cool well I will explain and you can read when you want [01:40] back [01:40] if you look at this paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/1660727/ [01:40] take a look at lines 1 -- 64 [01:41] 8 -- 12 are real imporant [01:41] seeing [01:41] I am gathering the 100% box area that user is searching [01:41] east west north south [01:41] like lat and long but all 4 [01:41] why a string? [01:42] no floats [01:42] O* [01:42] oh, I did not know that [01:42] 233.33 is string as no floats [01:42] 2333 int sure [01:42] at any point [01:42] 35 44 << lines in paste [01:43] function load(Name,West,North,East,South) [01:43] wait, doesn't javascript only have floats [01:43] all ints are in fact floats [01:43] it does [01:43] so why no floats? [01:43] property [01:43] that is not imporant [01:43] ok [01:43] "http://api.geonames.org/weatherXML?north="+North+"&south="+South+"&east="+East+"&west="+West+"&username="+userName [01:43] this calls the api [01:43] yeah that looks perfect [01:44] you can see that it is bringing togeather [01:44] east west north and south from the last API [01:44] but it is not a user facing string right, what is wrong with i19n.tr? [01:44] XmlRole { name: "observationTime"; query: "observationTime/string()";isKey: true } [01:44] XmlRole { name: "temperature"; query: "temperature/string()" } [01:44] XmlRole { name: "dewPoint"; query: "dewPoint/string()" } [01:44] XmlRole { name: "humidity"; query: "humidity/string()" } [01:44] XmlRole { name: "clouds"; query: "clouds/string()" } [01:44] XmlRole { name: "weatherCondition"; query: "weatherCondition/string()"} [01:44] XmlRole { name: "status"; query: "Status/string()" } [01:44] XmlRole { name: "windDirection"; query: "windDirection/string()" } [01:45] XmlRole { name: "windSpeed"; query: "windSpeed/string()" } [01:45] XmlRole { name:"stationName" ; query: "stationName/string()"} [01:45] these are all the things in the xml that I say Hey I want that [01:45] I have the paste open [01:45] so like if you look at [01:45] http://api.geonames.org/weatherXML?north=43.26905&south=43.10332&east=-77.53116&west=-77.70164&username=bobweaver12345 [01:45] thank you I did not know that, I have yet to use xml&qml [01:46] you see how there is all the XMLRoles [01:46] yeah [01:46] so know I can use this as a MODEL [01:46] ok [01:47] lines 101 -- 102 [01:47] I say use the model wth the Id of serieModel [01:47] and that hooks it up to the xml model? [01:47] yes [01:47] so know when I call observationTime [01:48] it grabs it from the XML [01:48] so I can say Text{text: observationTime} [01:49] ok [01:49] but if I put in [01:49] I think I understand now [01:49] Text{text: qsTr( observationTime)} [01:49] what would happen ? [01:49] it would give you 感覚時間 [01:50] correct it would just translate that word and not data [01:50] which is why I say that is a lot functions [01:51] makes sense [01:52] sounds like it should be fixable with something like i18n.tr where it derefs the field and then transaltes that [01:52] dmd, this also happens on things like gles shadding [01:52] not that I have seen I have not seen it do that [01:53] most the time also if user is using different langs to search things then that is that [01:53] api does it job [01:53] if api is good [01:54] i18n.tr I would have to look at that wonder if it uses qsTR [01:54] ;) [01:55] also about that paste that is super alphs stuff there [01:55] alpha * [01:55] alot will be changed after it all works [01:55] how is the weather app going? [01:56] getting particals and things like that to show up when it is raining or snowing [01:56] shades for drops of rain ect [01:56] going full featured eh [01:56] shaders * [01:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbwY8xIVfOk particals [02:00] great place for examples I would say http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhWS_bN-T3k&list=LLzkAk08QdVFd1CmwWQBD3Sw [02:02] random question: what do you guys use for irc clients on ubuntu? I like irssi but no notifications, is empathy any good for irc [02:03] i'm using irssi, not tried anything else [02:05] yeah, I might work on a perl script to kind with the default notification system [02:05] to link with* [02:06] I use pidgen [02:06] or pork j/k alot of times x-chat [02:09] I have this line: ns1__transactions* transactions = createTransaction(soap); [02:09] createTransaction is either that object or null. Is there a way I can say: transactions = (if createTransaction(soap) != NULL) [02:10] in c++ [02:10] like what would that be called... it's not even an inline-if haha [02:11] I started using a vpn a few months ago [02:12] what I have noticed is americans get 3x the ads canadiands do [02:12] dmd: haha, we do get a lot of ads [02:12] the big bang how has 5! ads before it plays [02:12] then 4 more during the comercial breaks [02:12] ctv.ca has ~2 [02:13] you need a filter [02:13] sorry wrong place [02:14] dmd, where in canada I am on the border myself ? [02:14] calgary [02:14] you? [02:14] Ontario [02:15] windsor? [02:16] close [02:16] right by london [02:16] as far as I know that area is all toronto =} [02:16] ferry ride to toranto takes 45 minutes but driving takes 1.20 [02:17] ouch [02:17] I am in the states [02:17] maybe it is a different city [02:17] oh [02:17] isn't that detroit? [02:17] nope [02:17] * bobweaver is a yankee [02:18] that means you are american right? [02:18] * bobweaver lives in the town that is know for inventing the Gui and also the mouse [02:18] also the copy machine and most of the film industry [02:18] xeroxville? [02:18] zerox/ [02:18] LOL === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI [02:19] wasn't xerox in palo alto? [02:19] Nope [02:19] just a station [02:20] Also in america, it takes an hour for a pizza to be delivered. I can only hope Canada is better [02:21] I just make it [02:21] $3 pizza from walmart [02:21] num num num [02:21] plus some patience [02:21] its awesome pizza [02:21] 4 dollar pizza from papa murphys is good [02:22] I live on a boat [02:22] not much room for pizza in my freezer [02:22] do you have elextricity? [02:22] I can fit like 2 small TV dinners in there or a steak [02:22] you can buy some from elex [02:22] yah all are crazy make that pizza [02:22] yeah [02:23] I bought a small freezer from walmart, ~$150 [02:24] I cant put it anywhere [02:24] I can fit a months worth of pizza, fish, peroges, and some assorted other food [02:24] plus I only have 30amps total power [02:24] * bobweaver thinks that it is a good Idea to have the sun on weather app postion by time of day [02:24] is it a house boat, a fishing boat? [02:24] so that's a restriction when running heat or AC [02:24] no sail boat [02:24] I love sailing [02:24] oh [02:24] yeah that would be a problem [02:24] do you move around or stay at one port? [02:25] I mean it's pretty nice, but only 30 amps. I have a stove, oven, AC/HEAT, microwave, small fridge/freezer etc [02:25] right now I'm still locked into my day job, so I don't hop from port to port yet [02:25] but I take her our frequently [02:25] you're doing QA right? [02:26] eventually when my side project income reaches the same as my day job, I'll cut the cord and just live on the move [02:26] sounds like a good plan [02:26] nice comjf [02:26] Lead QA/Production Support in Baltimore yeah [02:26] but my side job I do all kinds of small/medium apps.. so far all webapps. [02:26] * bobweaver sets up stages for bands opera's and things like uds [02:27] but I just finished my last contract and wanted to learn QML so here I am haah [02:27] bobweaver: you get to go to uds? [02:27] anything that would be at a arnea or needs lights or soundboards and stuff like that [02:28] dmd, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pER9B5Jo5dI [02:28] you have a video for everything eh [02:29] I cannot hear you over the music... [02:30] I know right openshot needs a thing to control volume on mixing [02:31] that is something that I am dissapointed in [02:31] what do you all use for video editing software ? what do you think should be on the phone ? [02:31] i use nothing [02:31] i never edit video [02:32] lol when I 1st started programing I tried to port julius to qt lol lets just say that that wont work [02:33] lol I also called people that where like programming the kernel back in say 94 asking them about my broadcom card [02:33] * bobweaver facepalm [02:33] yeah that's bad [02:33] << only been programing for 2 years [02:34] have you been focusing on qt? [02:34] not till Ubutnu TV came out [02:34] before that perl python and GTK stuff had no clue what qml was about a year ago [02:35] also web stuff and mainly scripting langs [02:35] * bobweaver has degree in Mycology [02:36] I had to google that [02:36] is i a real thing? [02:36] it* [02:36] that and went to school for sustainable forestry [02:36] yeah it is real [02:36] didn't want to move to forest country? [02:37] nah it wasent that I learned that the gov is the biggest loggin company in the us [02:37] * bobweaver did not want to start fires to give money to lobbist [02:37] you've lost me [02:37] I grew up in canadian forest country [02:37] how old are you guys? [02:38] you go first [02:38] I am 300 [02:38] lol [02:38] I am 299 [02:38] I'm 23 [02:38] 125 * [02:38] a newb [02:38] youning [02:38] wait, you own a boat and are lead QA? [02:38] you've been busy [02:38] yeah, I did college for a year [02:38] then realized, it wasn't for me. 38K [02:39] bobweaver: dont you mean 126? [02:39] private university? [02:39] 124 [02:39] because 38k is insane [02:39] what about you dmd you go to school also ? [02:39] 38k per year. and I could easily make more then that [02:39] yeah 20 in third year of comp sci [02:40] sorry I thought 38k was the tuition [02:40] just be glad to have any money all you never know what the next dude has [02:41] 38k tuition per year [02:41] private christian school [02:41] not the way to go [02:41] that is insane [02:42] plus I didn;t learn a single thing in the CS field... it was only a BA program.. I just went there for the wrong reasons [02:42] university of calgary is ~7k/year [02:42] I went to a christian uni first year and it was still only 7k [02:43] yeah again. I was a dumb 17 year old [02:43] haha [02:43] at least I got out and worked my way into a great job before getting 4 years of that debt [02:43] the states have some insane unviersity stuff going on [02:44] yeah [02:44] canada's closests thing to ivy is waterloo [02:44] that they are only 10k year [02:44] and* [02:45] the sad thing is, I only qualified for 5k of government loans, and I was raised by a single mother. They just saw that I was a web developer making 30 an hour at 17 and decided I didn;t need any assistance haha [02:45] ouch [02:45] so where did you get the rest? [02:45] freelancing? [02:45] I was a lead web developer (read the only one) for a small data hosting company in high school, they prepaid me for a few hundred hours [02:46] so you were saved from the debt? [02:46] but that was bad too, because I had to work so much just to stay in school... no time for friends, etc and it really pissed me off when we were talking about array lists in a 3rd year CS course that I went through hell to get into [02:47] you don't need a month on what an array list it [02:47] is* [02:47] but no, I had about 8k in debt leaving it. [02:47] well that is much better than it could have been [02:47] still was not good, and then being a 'college dropout' make me lose my confidence for a while [02:48] I knew one guy I meet in second year [02:48] he struggled beyond belief with basic programming [02:48] I'm not great at anything in particular. I just figure things now inorder to get the task done. I think people are to afraid to get dirty and way over their head, that's how i've learned pretty much everything [02:48] I feel sorry for him [02:49] but he has issues with executing [02:49]