=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:22] Morning [09:22] hi [09:52] morning [09:52] czajkowski: did you know you can get white pudding in Morrisons Aldershot? [09:52] ooh! [09:53] i feel a trip to Morrisons Aldershot is on the cards [09:53] ☺ Authome ! Another Saturday VOID to fill ... Morrisons hey ??!? [09:53] white pudding is nom [09:54] I have my smtpd working great now [09:55] AlanBell: Could I send you another sterling note .. So that when the next distro DVD become available .. you could perchance post it to the ofice , on North Quay ? [09:55] turned out to be much easier to use python smtpd library and listen for the emails directly than mess about with exim [09:55] * popey starts filling the saturday void with chocolate croissants [09:56] redtape-renegade: sure, I just want the return postage really, as long as I am not out of pocket that is fine [09:56] just mark it clearly that you are wanting 13.04 and I won't post it straight back with 12.10 in it :) [09:57] .. it's just that I've got the sterling note/s now ( which is not common) ... Oh Ok .. I'll post some Moulin Rouge now then .. Good luck with 13.04 !! [10:01] * redtape-renegade posts the sterling notes & marks down the 13.04 DVD as a fixed asset.. I'll reconcile that, later ! [10:03] people still buys CDs :| [10:17] jacobw: Yes! I do! Lots of them! :) [10:17] jacobw: ones with music on mostly though :) [10:18] MartijnVdS: that's OK [10:19] ACTIVITY: APPROVED! [10:20] :) [10:20] i haven't burnt an ISO for so long [10:20] I burned one last weekend for a machine which can't boot off usb [10:21] popey: what kind of stone-age machine is that? :) [10:25] an archimedes [10:26] * jacobw feels nostalgia for acorns [10:28] HP xe4100 [10:34] * dwatkins didn't know Archimedes came with CD drives [10:34] I had a BBC Micro, still got one in fact. [10:41] I'm waiting for this to be back in stock so I can add a USB storage device to it: http://www.retroclinic.com/acorn/datacentre/datacentre.htm [10:57] good morning everyone [11:03] morning [11:04] morning jacobw [11:18] how long should it take to dd a 1TB hard drive? [11:18] depends on its transfer rate :) [11:19] both drives are on internal SATA interface, been going for about 2 hours so far [11:19] mfraz74: check the pid of the "dd" process ("pidof dd" should do the trick) [11:19] mfraz74: then send it SIGUSR1: [11:20] kill -USR1 pid_you_found_here [11:20] there's a bit about it in the manpage [11:21] I'd expect it to take quite a while [11:21] I guess it would.. but the SIGUSR1 thing will give you a progress report [11:21] + an average speed [11:22] 721GB copied 99.7 MB/s [11:22] Thanks MartijnVdS [11:22] almost there :) [11:22] Yep [11:23] Just hope the drive works afterwards. [11:24] Been getting drive errors on booting for the past couple of days and have had to run fsck each day to get it working. Hoping that cloing the drive to a fresh one will work [11:24] I'd fsck the new drive before booting off it [11:25] will do [11:32] dumb question, how does purchasing from the software centre work? [11:33] using money? [11:33] yes, i'd gotten that far [11:33] :) [11:33] probably using Ubuntu One.. maybe similar to the music store? [11:33] or probaby more like buying extra GBs on U1 [11:34] Does it give me a token that I use in my HTTP request to get the DEB of what I'm buying? [11:34] popey will know [11:35] private PPAs [11:35] is how it works [11:35] that's interesting [11:35] when you buy something you get granted access to a private ppa [11:35] how? [11:35] hi [11:35] everyone [11:35] launchpad credentials? [11:35] how what? === gary is now known as Guest41101 [11:36] popey: How do you authenticate yourself to the PPA('s web server bits) [11:36] hello [11:36] Yes, what MartijnVdS said [11:36] creds are stored in apt config [11:36] i am new to this live chat [11:36] Hi Guest41101 [11:36] please i need soem help [11:36] some* [11:36] look in /etc/apt/auth.conf [11:36] you'll see creds for everything you have bought [11:37] are the private PPAs shared between buyers? [11:37] yes [11:37] i am trying to install the mars jar simulator on ubuntu but it would not run. i click on the folder it just opens with many files inside [11:37] it's probably a single PPA with some kind of authentication backend [11:37] well, multiple people have access to the same ppa, yes [11:38] * AlanBell wonders what to use for managing user subscriptions, don't fancy writing that part [11:38] can someone help me [11:38] pls [11:38] AlanBell: user subscriptions to what? [11:38] Guest41101: what's a mars jar simulator? [11:38] exceptionalemails.com [11:38] it sounds like a JAR file [11:38] AlanBell: mailman? :) [11:38] mars V4.2 [11:39] is for assembly language [11:39] Guest41101: where did it come from? [11:39] Or even plus addressing and smart filtering [11:40] i downloaded from moussori state university website [11:40] http://courses.missouristate.edu/kenvollmar/mars/download.htm then [11:40] Guest41101: please run `file /path/to/file` and paste the output at paste.ubuntu.com then paste the URL here for us [11:40] so yeah, that is a java jar file [11:40] !paste [11:40] Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [11:41] Guest41101: I would assume from a terminal java -jar Mars.jar [11:41] (assuming you have java installed) [11:41] i don't have a java installed [11:42] java -jar Mars4_3.jar [11:42] i thought java run time is already in the linux distribution [11:42] not by default, no [11:42] oh ok [11:42] it's available for install through the software centre though [11:42] how do i install the sdk or j2se 1.5 [11:43] or sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk [11:43] i am new to using linux [11:43] ok [11:43] i think you mean openjdk-7-jre ? [11:43] 1.5 is not supported anymore [11:43] Only Java 6 and 7 [11:43] let me try to install the java [11:43] Can it be installed with the Software Centre? [11:44] jacobw: yes [11:44] apt://openjdk-7-jre [11:44] if that's a link it should work [11:44] should i use this command in the terminal [11:44] sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk [11:45] yeah, that will work [11:45] ttps://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/openjdk-7-jre/ [11:45] Yes [11:45] Alnbell? [11:45] or click the link there [11:45] * MartijnVdS hands popey an extra h [11:45] s/^/h/ [11:45] then java -jar Mars4_3.jar [11:45] https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/openjdk-7-jdk/ or there even [11:45] * AlanBell has a look round mars [11:46] * popey gives up and makes lunch ☺ [11:46] * AlanBell wants lunch [11:46] @Alanbell, i am done with the installation [11:46] so how do i install the Mars jar now [11:46] ? [11:46] you don't need to install it, just run it [11:47] cd Downloads [11:47] java -jar Mars4_3.jar [11:47] and it runs [11:47] ok [11:47] If you install openjdk-7-jre do you a file associate in Nautilus for JAR files? [11:47] I don't know [11:48] I don't think you do jacobw [11:48] it still opens as a zip file [11:49] it would be nice if jar files automatically ran themselves with java -jar $filename [11:49] but there is probably some purist reason why that is a bad idea, I don't know enough about java really [11:49] It's a much more common use case than decompressing the JAR [11:50] it is for someone who has a minecraft.jar file [11:51] but I think there are lots of jar files that are components or libraries of big applications that you wouldn't want to run, but I don't know if that is harmful [11:51] certainly the common use-case for someone who doesn't know what they are doing (me) would be to run the thing [11:52] * AlanBell thinks exceptionalemails.com might end up with a joomla! front end [11:52] I like the idea [11:53] @Alan i tried the command on terminal it came out with the message try sudo apt-get install [11:53] still not working [11:53] which command? [11:53] java -jar Mars4_3.jar [11:54] and what happens if you type "java -version" [11:54] how you mean [11:54] ? [11:54] install openjdk-7-jre-headless [11:54] just type "java -version" in the terminal, it should tell you what version of java you are running [11:54] popey: it is a gui application [11:54] ok [11:55] so is minecraft [11:55] dpkg -S /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java [11:55] openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java [11:55] it should return three lines including OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.3.6) (7u13-2.3.6-1ubuntu1) [11:55] or close to that [11:56] Guest41101: you are running this on an Ubuntu desktop installation, right? [11:56] It says no command found@Alan [11:56] ubuntu on my laptop [11:56] yeah [11:57] ok, so you didn't install java yet [11:57] did the "sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk" line finish okay? [11:57] k [12:05] aquarius: someone here may be able to help though... [12:06] popey, ah, good thought. Anyone feeling knowledgeable about apt and why I'm getting file collides when I try and install the qt5 proper PPA packages to do Ubuntu mobile development? [12:08] AlanBell: i did in fact :) then I can nip over to tesco and get my red lemonade :) [12:08] i hi Alan [12:08] i have just installed java [12:09] ran the coman java -jar Mars4_3.jar [12:09] it says unable to access jarfile Mars4_3 [12:12] hello [12:14] hi [12:14] @Alan is me guest [12:15] is anyone here pls [12:16] hello [12:16] hello [12:18] Bizup needs to cd to the right directory [12:18] how do u mean [12:19] Alanbel [12:19] i ran the command and it says [12:19] cd Downloads [12:19] use ls to see if you are in the directory with the jar file [12:19] the browser probably put it in the Downloads directory [12:20] pls guide me through [12:20] what do i do [12:20] where did you download the file to? [12:20] the Mars Jar? [12:20] yes [12:20] is on the download [12:20] i extracted it there [12:20] don't [12:21] you don't need to extract it, you need to run it [12:21] ok [12:21] let me delete the extracted copy [12:23] still saying unable to access the file [12:23] i justdont know what happening [12:23] with all the guidance you have given me [12:23] it should work [12:24] should i redownload it again [12:24] ? [12:24] self: have you got the jar file in a directory somewhere? [12:25] i just downloaded it and is in the download folder [12:26] right, so in a terminal if you are in the Downloads directory your terminal prompt should look like [12:26] self@selflaptop:~/Downloads$ [12:26] or similar [12:27] then if you type "ls" to list the files in that directory you should see Mars4_3.jar [12:27] no my terminal is on the user directory [12:27] ok [12:27] my computer name [12:27] so "cd Downloads" [12:27] i should type the command on terminal? [12:27] yes [12:27] cd changes directory [12:28] ok [12:28] ok [12:28] i am there now [12:29] java -jar Mars4_3.jar [12:29] the letter D has to be in capital right? [12:29] i tried small letters and it did not find it [12:29] it does, things are case sensitive [12:29] !tab [12:29] You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [12:29] ok [12:30] Anyone got an Android here ? http://bit.ly/XfR0CT [12:31] you are just one in a million@Alan [12:31] you the best [12:31] it works for me now [12:31] :) [12:31] Thanks so much [12:31] are you always here Alan [12:33] \o/ [12:33] anyone know how to use wps to set up a printer? [12:34] AlanBell: does the printer support WPS? [12:34] StevenR: yeah, as does the router [12:34] pressed the button on each of them, nothing obvious happened [12:35] Here's the Wallpaper bundle :: http://bitly.com/bundles/o_4hmeb0pdlm/1 [12:35] is WPS *enabled* on the router? [12:35] (I turn it off, for example, and some routers ship with it disabled) [12:35] @Alan is working now [12:37] StevenR: ok, found a wps thing in the router config [12:38] not sure the button on the printer that I think is a WPS button is in fact a WPS button [12:39] * AlanBell has to pop out [12:39] * popey puts AlanBell back in again [13:56] * AlanBell has a printer working [13:56] that was harder than it needed to be [14:18] Who is responsible for the TF2 server that Canonical is sponsoring this weekend, anybody know? The server is out of date! [14:47] I _really_ wish there was a small download I could do to find out if TF2 will work on my laptop [14:50] BigRedS: what kind of graphics card do you have? [14:50] BigRedS: and CPU? [14:51] apparently it's flaky on Intel CPUs (it only works Sandy/Ivy bridge or newer, and even then I've heard it's crashy) [14:51] but AMD/NVidia should work as long as they support GLSL 1.3 [14:51] MartijnVdS: pre-sandy Intel [14:52] you'll get a black screen [14:52] if you force GLSL 1.3 mode, you'll get a tiny window in the top right with everything inverted and mirrored [14:52] and then it crashes [14:52] Ah. That *was* a small download to find out [14:52] :) [14:52] about 200 chars [14:52] * MartijnVdS tried that 8-) [15:04] whoah, CS works really well, though [15:04] I think this is still an anally-free Debian [15:04] Oh. No it isn't. But, still, games on debian? Whodathunkit === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:40] art'noon all [15:40] afternoonings SuperEngineer [15:40] dxssssssssssssssssssss\zz\zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzaop'#################kmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, [15:41] hi brobostigon [15:41] directhex: as you say [15:42] had great "fun" last night installing steam - then "updating" nvidia driver... [15:43] "a newer driver" blah blah... so went for earliest of experimentals [304] [15:44] then steam told me a newer was [310] was available [15:44] ...reallly *should* have ignoored that message ;) [15:44] *ignored [15:45] ...anybody here using steam - nvidia - 12.04.2 ? [15:46] i wish [15:47] I'm not knocking steam - it was a driver fail - with a lot of tiredness at 1am, and a lot of perseverence via obtuse methods - got driver back down to 304 - phew [15:51] * SuperEngineer is now proud owner of Half Life and of World of Goo - for extortionate price of £3.23 - good on ya steam, thanks for the go-live special sale [15:51] I'm surprised this stuff isn't easy, SuperEngineer. [15:51] downgrading a driver, that is [15:52] dwatkins: the reason I think it was a cottupt download was that I ended up booting to previous kernel, trying to back down 1 by 1.. [15:53] kaputt? corrupt? [15:54] ...I eventually found the only one that would take was the opiginal nvidia [version current] [15:54] ...sys would boot but x total fail - text login then xsstart gave me the clue [15:55] ...mixed [failed] versions [15:55] how do you uninstall a gfx driver form the command line? with apt? [15:56] ...but I'm tempted to give it another go - just to stop the annoying "an updated driver...] message every time I start steam! [15:56] dwatkins: if that last was meant for me... I didn't [15:57] SuperEngineer: how did you downgrade the driver in the end? [15:57] I found "alternative method - out of sheer tiredness and being a bit cheesed off [15:58] dwatkins: booted to earlier kernel, found that although it wasn't perfect it gave me x [15:58] ..then fired upo Additional Drivers from there [15:58] cool [16:00] ...I'm sure that method is not recommended [& have not found in any Googling] - but - when tired but determined, *it worked* [16:01] ;D [16:06] [btw - my only disappointment with Steam is that they haven't got Tiny Inferno on Linux yet, just windoze [16:07] ...and that it's not in the sale ;) [16:07] * SuperEngineer is a cheapskate [16:18] I'm looking at ubuntu tv and ubuntu for android. Are these realities now or plans for the future. I saw no 'how-to' link [16:21] ubuntu for android exists, but it's not avaliable to buy _yet_ [16:23] but one can download and install it presumably? [16:23] not yet [16:23] and ubuntu tv? [16:24] Anyone know what that PHP extension is/was that'll produce a picture showing which functions are used and how much? [16:24] ok, so they are still plans [16:24] I think an Alan used it; AlanBell? [16:24] any idea when they should become available? [16:25] BigRedS: xhprof [16:25] BigRedS: or xdebug can do it too, with the right options [16:25] mgdm: aha! Ta! xdebug's installed already, I'll go rtfm better :) [16:26] BigRedS: http://www.xdebug.org/docs/profiler [16:26] BigRedS: http://code.google.com/p/webgrind/ might be interesting too [16:27] oh, cool, cheers! [16:34] if you have loadsamoney you can use New Relic, which is awesome, but quite pricey [17:52] Afternoon peeps :-) [17:52] o/ [17:54] Finally have windows 7 and ubuntu 12.10 running on this box. Though I had to buy a 2nd drive to do so. [17:55] Fresh install of ubuntu 12.10 worked OK. Let it install the 272 updates and now unity isn't starting correctly [17:55] Login screen works OK. Login and the default background is there, but nothing else [17:59] bigcalm_xoom: try going to VT1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and restarting lightdm [17:59] that worked for me [18:09] MartijnVdS: that will put me back at the login and then I get the same result [18:10] Ctrl alt f1 gives me a flashing cursor and nothing else. [18:11] * bigcalm_xoom installs xubutu-desktop hope this works [18:12] * penguin42 wonders how to stop firefox using it's unbuilt pdf viewer - it's pants [18:12] penguin42: it has one now? [18:12] the one in chrome is OK [18:14] MartijnVdS: It's slow at high zooms and I just like either evince or okular [18:41] hmmm... got a big whoopsie here - none of last night's magic working... tried updating to nvidia latest experimental again... *fail* - this time unable to revert [18:41] ..any ideas [18:42] [cureently on previous 12.04 kernel [.36] - nothing takes in .37 [18:43] *currently [18:44] ...and only able to revert to nvidia current - in one word... *heeeeelp!* [18:44] bigcalm_xoom: what video driver is installed? [18:45] bigcalm_xoom: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log when it boots to blank desktop [18:50] popey: only just come back online - was that for me or bigcalm_xoom [19:14] ...and there goes my penultimae option! i wonder if removing the 3,2,0,27 kernel itself and reinstalling would work [19:14] *penultimate [19:16] ...and whoopsie again - just realised, .37 kernel [19:24] sigh... despite the lack of response I myself remain helpful... anyone using 12.04.2, nVidia Geforce 21n series, and kernel 3.2.0.37 - *do not* try the 310 version of the driver as it = borked xsystem, stay with 304, despite Steam's annoying reminders [19:37] SuperEngineer: Have you got a bug filed on that - so that's an install from 12.04.1 upgraded ? [19:39] penguin42: no - not yet, only just got a working system back [using 3.3.36 kernel] - givvus a chance mate ;) [19:39] hehe [19:39] been busy posting warning on twitter & mail list [19:44] ...& if anyone replies "why don't you just get a newer pooter?" ... moider is to be expected! [19:45] SuperEngineer: Don't worry, you can hide the body in some beefburgers [19:45] penguin42: :D [19:50] file bug or watch Dr. Who? hmmm - no choice! [19:55] that's what PVRs are for - get your priorities right! [19:57] personal viewing rights - Dr. Who still wins ;) [19:58] * AlanBell starts a team meeting thingummy over in #ubuntu-uk-meeting [19:59] darn - another Dr Who disturbance ;) [20:00] Question from my Dad "My laptop keeps shutting down, any idea why?" [20:01] Any suggestions welcome, you have the same diagnostic info as me [20:01] fluf in the fan [20:01] loose battery [20:02] They're about as good as you can get without more info [20:04] Apart from the '72 year old user error, clicking shutdown and forgetting" [20:06] how old is the laptop and what surface is it on? [20:10] 2-3 years old and sat on the armrest of the sofa [20:10] And its running W7, so could be anything, a b utterfly farted in central america, so Win 7 decides to shut down :) [20:14] hah [20:41] Is it safe to completely remove a linux image newer than one in current session via synaptic? [20:43] ...worries me as it also wants to remove linux-image & linux-image-generic [20:45] Found a bug while resizing a partition during the installer. Accedently tried to resize larger than the disk. Now I'm getting an error box of "can't have a partition outside of the disk!" That keeps coming back as soon as I clear it [20:48] bigcalm_xoom: take screenshots / photos to file a bug? [20:48] I'm sure xnox would be interested ☺ [20:48] bigcalm_xoom: manual partitioning or the automatic resize widget? [20:48] Manual [20:49] and not kubuntu?! [20:49] No [20:49] bigcalm_xoom: ubuntu-bug ubiquity and please describe what you did. I can look at it next time i'll be poking manual partitioning. [20:50] I will try [20:51] question, do those tablet bottle, that have that push-screw top, seal tablets properly? [20:53] Oh dear, ubuntu-bug says that ubiquity is not an official ubuntu package and can't be reported [20:56] * bigcalm_xoom restarts and tries to be more careful [20:56] ah well... taking the chance anyway [20:56] * SuperEngineer crrosses fingies [20:56] =/ [20:56] bigcalm_xoom: it may take a while for us to catch on that the bug-reporting tool has a bug [20:57] Hehe [20:57] bigcalm_xoom: are you launching that from the cd? [20:57] & promises to do update-grub before restart! [20:58] Xbox: fresh 12.10 image from a USB stick. Selected up [20:58] Gah [20:58] Selected download updates while installing and install 3rd party software [21:02] * bigcalm_xoom returns to watching MIB2 on bluray with his lovely lady [21:02] bigcalm_xoom: enjoy [21:02] Ta :) [21:02] Hi all. [21:02] Hayley hasn't seen it. Should be fun [21:05] Oh, might be what you called the resize widget. I wasn't in disk [21:06] * bigcalm_xoom runs away [21:09] ok, fully removed 3.2.0.37, updated grub... before I reboot, did i miss anything obvious? [21:16] nah, you'll have missed something hidden [21:18] thanks for the confidence BigRedS [21:20] haha [21:20] no worries! === RaycisCharles is now known as SassyManOfColour [22:17] ..and that's another added to "ignore" [22:18] ? [22:19] popey: another racist named user [22:20] oh missed that [22:21] popey: oh I share the same bug as you [22:21] bug #1041790 [22:21] bug 1041790 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[sandybridge-m-gt2] GPU lockup IPEHR: 0x0b160001 IPEHR: 0x0b140001" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041790 [22:21] annoying isnt it? [22:23] VERY [22:23]