[09:22] <popey> Morning
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> hi
[09:52] <AlanBell> morning
[09:52] <AlanBell> czajkowski: did you know you can get white pudding in Morrisons Aldershot?
[09:52] <popey> ooh!
[09:53] <popey> i feel a trip to Morrisons Aldershot is on the cards
[09:53] <redtape-renegade> ☺ Authome ! Another Saturday VOID to fill ... Morrisons hey ??!?
[09:53] <AlanBell> white pudding is nom
[09:54] <AlanBell> I have my smtpd working great now
[09:55] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Could I send you another sterling note .. So that when the next distro DVD become available .. you could perchance post it to the ofice , on North Quay ?
[09:55] <AlanBell> turned out to be much easier to use python smtpd library and listen for the emails directly than mess about with exim
[09:55]  * popey starts filling the saturday void with chocolate croissants
[09:56] <AlanBell> redtape-renegade: sure, I just want the return postage really, as long as I am not out of pocket that is fine
[09:56] <AlanBell> just mark it clearly that you are wanting 13.04 and I won't post it straight back with 12.10 in it :)
[09:57] <redtape-renegade> .. it's just that I've got the sterling note/s now ( which is not common) ... Oh Ok .. I'll post some Moulin Rouge now then .. Good luck with 13.04 !!
[10:01]  * redtape-renegade posts the sterling notes & marks down the 13.04 DVD as a fixed asset.. I'll reconcile that, later !
[10:03] <jacobw> people still buys CDs :|
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Yes! I do! Lots of them! :)
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: ones with music on mostly though :)
[10:18] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: that's OK
[10:19] <popey> ACTIVITY: APPROVED!
[10:20] <jacobw> :)
[10:20] <jacobw> i haven't burnt an ISO for so long
[10:20] <popey> I burned one last weekend for a machine which can't boot off usb
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: what kind of stone-age machine is that? :)
[10:25] <jacobw> an archimedes
[10:26]  * jacobw feels nostalgia for acorns
[10:28] <popey> HP xe4100
[10:34]  * dwatkins didn't know Archimedes came with CD drives
[10:34] <dwatkins> I had a BBC Micro, still got one in fact.
[10:41] <dwatkins> I'm waiting for this to be back in stock so I can add a USB storage device to it: http://www.retroclinic.com/acorn/datacentre/datacentre.htm
[10:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[11:03] <jacobw> morning
[11:04] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[11:18] <mfraz74> how long should it take to dd a 1TB hard drive?
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> depends on its transfer rate :)
[11:19] <mfraz74> both drives are on internal SATA interface, been going for about 2 hours so far
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: check the pid of the "dd" process ("pidof dd" should do the trick)
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: then send it SIGUSR1:
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> kill -USR1 pid_you_found_here
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> there's a bit about it in the manpage
[11:21] <popey> I'd expect it to take quite a while
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> I guess it would.. but the SIGUSR1 thing will give you a progress report
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> + an average speed
[11:22] <mfraz74> 721GB copied 99.7 MB/s
[11:22] <mfraz74> Thanks MartijnVdS
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> almost there :)
[11:22] <mfraz74> Yep
[11:23] <mfraz74> Just hope the drive works afterwards.
[11:24] <mfraz74> Been getting drive errors on booting for the past couple of days and have had to run fsck each day to get it working. Hoping that cloing the drive to a fresh one will work
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> I'd fsck the new drive before booting off it
[11:25] <mfraz74> will do
[11:32] <jacobw> dumb question, how does purchasing from the software centre work?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> using money?
[11:33] <jacobw> yes, i'd gotten that far
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> :)
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> probably using Ubuntu One.. maybe similar to the music store?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> or probaby more like buying extra GBs on U1
[11:34] <jacobw> Does it give me a token that I use in my HTTP request to get the DEB of what I'm buying?
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> popey will know
[11:35] <popey> private PPAs
[11:35] <popey> is how it works
[11:35] <jacobw> that's interesting
[11:35] <popey> when you buy something you get granted access to a private ppa
[11:35] <jacobw> how?
[11:35] <gary> hi
[11:35] <gary> everyone
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> launchpad credentials?
[11:35] <popey> how what?
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> popey: How do you authenticate yourself to the PPA('s web server bits)
[11:36] <Guest41101> hello
[11:36] <jacobw> Yes, what MartijnVdS said
[11:36] <popey> creds are stored in apt config
[11:36] <Guest41101> i am new to this live chat
[11:36] <jacobw> Hi Guest41101
[11:36] <Guest41101> please i need soem help
[11:36] <Guest41101> some*
[11:36] <popey> look in /etc/apt/auth.conf
[11:36] <popey> you'll see creds for everything you have bought
[11:37] <jacobw> are the private PPAs shared between buyers?
[11:37] <popey> yes
[11:37] <Guest41101> i am trying to install the mars jar simulator on ubuntu but it would not run. i click on the folder it just opens with many files inside
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> it's probably a single PPA with some kind of authentication backend
[11:37] <popey> well, multiple people have access to the same ppa, yes
[11:38]  * AlanBell wonders what to use for managing user subscriptions, don't fancy writing that part
[11:38] <Guest41101> can someone help me
[11:38] <Guest41101> pls
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: user subscriptions to what?
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> Guest41101: what's a mars jar simulator?
[11:38] <AlanBell> exceptionalemails.com
[11:38] <jacobw> it sounds like a JAR file
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: mailman? :)
[11:38] <Guest41101> mars V4.2
[11:39] <Guest41101> is for assembly language
[11:39] <AlanBell> Guest41101: where did it come from?
[11:39] <jacobw> Or even plus addressing and smart filtering
[11:40] <Guest41101> i downloaded from moussori state university website
[11:40] <AlanBell> http://courses.missouristate.edu/kenvollmar/mars/download.htm then
[11:40] <jacobw> Guest41101: please run `file /path/to/file` and paste the output at paste.ubuntu.com then paste the URL here for us
[11:40] <AlanBell> so yeah, that is a java jar file
[11:40] <jacobw> !paste
[11:41] <AlanBell> Guest41101: I would assume from a terminal java -jar Mars.jar
[11:41] <popey> (assuming you have java installed)
[11:41] <Guest41101> i don't have a java installed
[11:42] <AlanBell> java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[11:42] <Guest41101> i thought java run time is already in the linux distribution
[11:42] <popey> not by default, no
[11:42] <Guest41101> oh ok
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> it's available for install through the software centre though
[11:42] <Guest41101> how do i install the sdk or j2se 1.5
[11:43] <AlanBell> or sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk
[11:43] <Guest41101> i am new to using linux
[11:43] <Guest41101> ok
[11:43] <popey> i think you mean openjdk-7-jre ?
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> 1.5 is not supported anymore
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> Only Java 6 and 7
[11:43] <Guest41101> let me try to install the java
[11:43] <jacobw> Can it be installed with the Software Centre?
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: yes
[11:44] <popey> apt://openjdk-7-jre
[11:44] <popey> if that's a link it should work
[11:44] <Guest41101> should i use this command in the terminal
[11:44] <Guest41101> sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk
[11:45] <AlanBell> yeah, that will work
[11:45] <popey> ttps://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/openjdk-7-jre/
[11:45] <jacobw> Yes
[11:45] <Guest41101> Alnbell?
[11:45] <popey> or click the link there
[11:45]  * MartijnVdS hands popey an extra h
[11:45] <jacobw> s/^/h/
[11:45] <AlanBell> then java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[11:45] <popey> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/openjdk-7-jdk/ or there even
[11:45]  * AlanBell has a look round mars
[11:46]  * popey gives up and makes lunch ☺
[11:46]  * AlanBell wants lunch
[11:46] <Guest41101> @Alanbell, i am done with the installation
[11:46] <Guest41101> so how do i install the Mars jar now
[11:46] <Guest41101> ?
[11:46] <AlanBell> you don't need to install it, just run it
[11:47] <AlanBell> cd Downloads
[11:47] <AlanBell> java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[11:47] <AlanBell> and it runs
[11:47] <Guest41101> ok
[11:47] <jacobw> If you install openjdk-7-jre do you a file associate in Nautilus for JAR files?
[11:47] <jacobw> I don't know
[11:48] <AlanBell> I don't think you do jacobw
[11:48] <AlanBell> it still opens as a zip file
[11:49] <AlanBell> it would be nice if jar files automatically ran themselves with java -jar $filename
[11:49] <AlanBell> but there is probably some purist reason why that is a bad idea, I don't know enough about java really
[11:49] <jacobw> It's a much more common use case than decompressing the JAR
[11:50] <AlanBell> it is for someone who has a minecraft.jar file
[11:51] <AlanBell> but I think there are lots of jar files that are components or libraries of big applications that you wouldn't want to run, but I don't know if that is harmful
[11:51] <AlanBell> certainly the common use-case for someone who doesn't know what they are doing (me) would be to run the thing
[11:52]  * AlanBell thinks exceptionalemails.com might end up with a joomla! front end
[11:52] <jacobw> I like the idea
[11:53] <Guest41101> @Alan i tried the command on terminal it came out with the message try sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[11:53] <Guest41101> still not working
[11:53] <AlanBell> which command?
[11:53] <Guest41101> java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[11:54] <AlanBell> and what happens if you type "java -version"
[11:54] <Guest41101> how you mean
[11:54] <Guest41101> ?
[11:54] <popey> install openjdk-7-jre-headless
[11:54] <AlanBell> just type "java -version" in the terminal, it should tell you what version of java you are running
[11:54] <AlanBell> popey: it is a gui application
[11:54] <Guest41101> ok
[11:55] <popey> so is minecraft
[11:55] <popey>  dpkg -S /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[11:55] <popey> openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[11:55] <AlanBell> it should return three lines including OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.3.6) (7u13-2.3.6-1ubuntu1)
[11:55] <AlanBell> or close to that
[11:56] <AlanBell> Guest41101: you are running this on an Ubuntu desktop installation, right?
[11:56] <Guest41101> It says no command found@Alan
[11:56] <Guest41101> ubuntu on my laptop
[11:56] <Guest41101> yeah
[11:57] <AlanBell> ok, so you didn't install java yet
[11:57] <popey> did the "sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk" line finish okay?
[11:57] <Guest41101> k
[12:05] <popey> aquarius: someone here may be able to help though...
[12:06] <aquarius> popey, ah, good thought. Anyone feeling knowledgeable about apt and why I'm getting file collides when I try and install the qt5 proper PPA packages to do Ubuntu mobile development?
[12:08] <czajkowski> AlanBell: i did in fact :) then I can nip over to tesco and get my red lemonade :)
[12:08] <Guest41101> i hi Alan
[12:08] <Guest41101> i have just installed java
[12:09] <Guest41101> ran the coman  java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[12:09] <Guest41101> it says unable to access jarfile Mars4_3
[12:12] <Guest41101> hello
[12:14] <bizup> hi
[12:14] <bizup> @Alan is me guest
[12:15] <bizup> is anyone here pls
[12:16] <bizup> hello
[12:16] <bizup> hello
[12:18] <AlanBell> Bizup needs to cd to the right directory
[12:18] <self> how do u mean
[12:19] <self> Alanbel
[12:19] <self> i ran the command and it says
[12:19] <AlanBell> cd Downloads
[12:19] <AlanBell> use ls to see if you are in the directory with the jar file
[12:19] <AlanBell> the browser probably put it in the Downloads directory
[12:20] <self> pls guide me through
[12:20] <self> what do i do
[12:20] <AlanBell> where did you download the file to?
[12:20] <self> the Mars Jar?
[12:20] <AlanBell> yes
[12:20] <self> is on the download
[12:20] <self> i extracted it there
[12:20] <AlanBell> don't
[12:21] <AlanBell> you don't need to extract it, you need to run it
[12:21] <self> ok
[12:21] <self> let me delete the extracted copy
[12:23] <self> still saying unable to access the file
[12:23] <self> i justdont know what happening
[12:23] <self> with all the guidance you have given me
[12:23] <self> it should work
[12:24] <self> should i redownload it again
[12:24] <self> ?
[12:24] <AlanBell> self: have you got the jar file in a directory somewhere?
[12:25] <self> i just downloaded it and is in the download folder
[12:26] <AlanBell> right, so in a terminal if you are in the Downloads directory your terminal prompt should look like
[12:26] <AlanBell> self@selflaptop:~/Downloads$
[12:26] <AlanBell> or similar
[12:27] <AlanBell> then if you type "ls" to list the files in that directory you should see Mars4_3.jar
[12:27] <self> no my terminal is on the user directory
[12:27] <AlanBell> ok
[12:27] <self> my computer name
[12:27] <AlanBell> so "cd Downloads"
[12:27] <self> i should type the command on terminal?
[12:27] <AlanBell> yes
[12:27] <AlanBell> cd changes directory
[12:28] <self> ok
[12:28] <self> ok
[12:28] <self> i am there now
[12:29] <AlanBell> java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[12:29] <self> the letter D has to be in capital right?
[12:29] <self> i tried small letters and it did not find it
[12:29] <AlanBell> it does, things are case sensitive
[12:29] <AlanBell> !tab
[12:29] <self> ok
[12:30] <redtape-renegade> Anyone got an Android here ? http://bit.ly/XfR0CT
[12:31] <self> you are just one in  a million@Alan
[12:31] <self> you the best
[12:31] <self> it works for me now
[12:31] <self> :)
[12:31] <self> Thanks so much
[12:31] <self> are you always here Alan
[12:33] <AlanBell> \o/
[12:33] <AlanBell> anyone know how to use wps to set up a printer?
[12:34] <StevenR> AlanBell: does the printer support WPS?
[12:34] <AlanBell> StevenR: yeah, as does the router
[12:34] <AlanBell> pressed the button on each of them, nothing obvious happened
[12:35] <redtape-renegade> Here's the Wallpaper bundle :: http://bitly.com/bundles/o_4hmeb0pdlm/1
[12:35] <StevenR> is WPS *enabled* on the router?
[12:35] <StevenR> (I turn it off, for example, and some routers ship with it disabled)
[12:35] <self> @Alan is working now
[12:37] <AlanBell> StevenR: ok, found a wps thing in the router config
[12:38] <AlanBell> not sure the button on the printer that I think is a WPS button is in fact a WPS button
[12:39]  * AlanBell has to pop out
[12:39]  * popey puts AlanBell back in again
[13:56]  * AlanBell has a printer working
[13:56] <AlanBell> that was harder than it needed to be
[14:18] <kvarley> Who is responsible for the TF2 server that Canonical is sponsoring this weekend, anybody know? The server is out of date!
[14:47] <BigRedS> I _really_ wish there was a small download I could do to find out if TF2 will work on my laptop
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: and CPU?
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> apparently it's flaky on Intel CPUs (it only works Sandy/Ivy bridge or newer, and even then I've heard it's crashy)
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> but AMD/NVidia should work as long as they support GLSL 1.3
[14:51] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: pre-sandy Intel
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> you'll get a black screen
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> if you force GLSL 1.3 mode, you'll get a tiny window in the top right with everything inverted and mirrored
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> and then it crashes
[14:52] <BigRedS> Ah. That *was* a small download to find out
[14:52] <BigRedS> :)
[14:52] <BigRedS> about 200 chars
[14:52]  * MartijnVdS tried that 8-)
[15:04] <BigRedS> whoah, CS works really well, though
[15:04] <BigRedS> I think this is still an anally-free Debian
[15:04] <BigRedS> Oh. No it isn't. But, still, games on debian? Whodathunkit
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> art'noon all
[15:40] <brobostigon> afternoonings SuperEngineer
[15:40] <directhex> dxssssssssssssssssssss\zz\zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzaop'#################kmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,
[15:41] <SuperEngineer> hi brobostigon
[15:41] <jacobw> directhex: as you say
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> had great "fun" last night installing steam - then "updating" nvidia driver...
[15:43] <SuperEngineer> "a newer driver" blah blah... so went for earliest of experimentals [304]
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> then steam told me a newer was [310] was available
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> ...reallly *should* have ignoored that message ;)
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> *ignored
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> ...anybody here using steam - nvidia - 12.04.2 ?
[15:46] <directhex> i wish
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> I'm not knocking steam - it was a driver fail - with a lot of tiredness at 1am, and a lot of perseverence via obtuse methods - got driver back down to 304 - phew
[15:51]  * SuperEngineer is now proud owner of Half Life and of World of Goo - for extortionate price of £3.23 - good on ya steam, thanks for the go-live special sale
[15:51] <dwatkins> I'm surprised this stuff isn't easy, SuperEngineer.
[15:51] <dwatkins> downgrading a driver, that is
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: the reason I think it was a cottupt download was that I ended up booting to previous kernel, trying to back down 1 by 1..
[15:53] <dwatkins> kaputt? corrupt?
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> ...I eventually found the only one that would take was the opiginal nvidia [version current]
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> ...sys would boot but x total fail - text login then xsstart gave me the clue
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> ...mixed [failed] versions
[15:55] <dwatkins> how do you uninstall a gfx driver form the command line? with apt?
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> ...but I'm tempted to give it another go - just to stop the annoying "an updated driver...] message every time I start steam!
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: if that last was meant for me... I didn't
[15:57] <dwatkins> SuperEngineer: how did you downgrade the driver in the end?
[15:57] <SuperEngineer> I found "alternative method - out of sheer tiredness and being a bit cheesed off
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: booted to earlier kernel, found that although it wasn't perfect it gave me x
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> ..then fired upo Additional Drivers from there
[15:58] <dwatkins> cool
[16:00] <SuperEngineer> ...I'm sure that method is not recommended [& have not found in any Googling] - but - when tired but determined, *it worked*
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> ;D
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> [btw - my only disappointment with Steam is that they haven't got Tiny Inferno on Linux yet, just windoze
[16:07] <SuperEngineer> ...and that it's not in the sale ;)
[16:07]  * SuperEngineer is a cheapskate
[16:18] <livingdaylight> I'm looking at ubuntu tv and ubuntu for android. Are these realities now or plans for the future. I saw no 'how-to' link
[16:21] <popey> ubuntu for android exists, but it's not avaliable to buy _yet_
[16:23] <livingdaylight> but one can download and install it presumably?
[16:23] <popey> not yet
[16:23] <livingdaylight> and ubuntu tv?
[16:24] <BigRedS> Anyone know what that PHP extension is/was that'll produce a picture showing which functions are used and how much?
[16:24] <livingdaylight> ok, so they are still plans
[16:24] <BigRedS> I think an Alan used it; AlanBell?
[16:24] <livingdaylight> any idea when they should become available?
[16:25] <mgdm> BigRedS: xhprof
[16:25] <mgdm> BigRedS: or xdebug can do it too, with the right options
[16:25] <BigRedS> mgdm: aha! Ta! xdebug's installed already, I'll go rtfm better :)
[16:26] <mgdm> BigRedS: http://www.xdebug.org/docs/profiler
[16:26] <mgdm> BigRedS: http://code.google.com/p/webgrind/ might be interesting too
[16:27] <BigRedS> oh, cool, cheers!
[16:34] <mgdm> if you have loadsamoney you can use New Relic, which is awesome, but quite pricey
[17:52] <bigcalm_xoom> Afternoon peeps :-)
[17:52] <mgdm> o/
[17:54] <bigcalm_xoom> Finally have windows 7 and ubuntu 12.10 running on this box. Though I had to buy a 2nd drive to do so.
[17:55] <bigcalm_xoom> Fresh install of ubuntu 12.10 worked OK. Let it install the 272 updates and now unity isn't starting correctly
[17:55] <bigcalm_xoom> Login screen works OK. Login and the default background is there, but nothing else
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_xoom: try going to VT1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and restarting lightdm
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> that worked for me
[18:09] <bigcalm_xoom> MartijnVdS: that will put me back at the login and then I get the same result
[18:10] <bigcalm_xoom> Ctrl alt f1 gives me a flashing cursor and nothing else.
[18:11]  * bigcalm_xoom installs xubutu-desktop hope this works
[18:12]  * penguin42 wonders how to stop firefox using it's unbuilt pdf viewer - it's pants
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it has one now?
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> the one in chrome is OK
[18:14] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It's slow at high zooms and I just like either evince or okular
[18:41] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... got a big whoopsie here - none of last night's magic working... tried updating to nvidia latest experimental again... *fail* - this time unable to revert
[18:41] <SuperEngineer> ..any ideas
[18:42] <SuperEngineer> [cureently on previous 12.04 kernel [.36] - nothing takes in .37
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> *currently
[18:44] <SuperEngineer> ...and only able to revert to nvidia current - in one word... *heeeeelp!*
[18:44] <popey> bigcalm_xoom: what video driver is installed?
[18:45] <popey> bigcalm_xoom: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log when it boots to blank desktop
[18:50] <SuperEngineer> popey: only just come back online - was that for me or bigcalm_xoom
[19:14] <SuperEngineer> ...and there goes my penultimae option! i wonder if removing the 3,2,0,27 kernel itself and reinstalling would work
[19:14] <SuperEngineer> *penultimate
[19:16] <SuperEngineer> ...and whoopsie again - just realised, .37 kernel
[19:24] <SuperEngineer> sigh... despite the lack of response I myself remain helpful... anyone using 12.04.2, nVidia Geforce 21n series, and kernel 3.2.0.37  - *do not* try the 310 version of the driver as it = borked xsystem, stay with 304, despite Steam's annoying reminders
[19:37] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Have you got a bug filed on that - so that's an install from 12.04.1 upgraded ?
[19:39] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: no - not yet, only just got a working system back [using 3.3.36 kernel] - givvus a chance mate ;)
[19:39] <penguin42> hehe
[19:39] <SuperEngineer> been busy posting warning on twitter & mail list
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> ...& if anyone replies "why don't you just get a newer pooter?" ... moider is to be expected!
[19:45] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Don't worry, you can hide the body in some beefburgers
[19:45] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: :D
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> file bug or watch Dr. Who? hmmm - no choice!
[19:55] <penguin42> that's what PVRs are for - get your priorities right!
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> personal viewing rights - Dr. Who still wins ;)
[19:58]  * AlanBell starts a team meeting thingummy over in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[19:59] <SuperEngineer> darn - another Dr Who disturbance ;)
[20:00] <DJones> Question from my Dad "My laptop keeps shutting down, any idea why?"
[20:01] <DJones> Any suggestions welcome, you have the same diagnostic info as me
[20:01] <penguin42> fluf in the fan
[20:01] <SuperEngineer> loose battery
[20:02] <DJones> They're about as good as you can get without more info
[20:04] <DJones> Apart from the '72 year old user error, clicking shutdown and forgetting"
[20:06] <penguin42> how old is the laptop and what surface is it on?
[20:10] <DJones> 2-3 years old and sat on the armrest of the sofa
[20:10] <DJones> And its running W7, so could be anything, a b utterfly farted in central america, so Win 7 decides to shut down :)
[20:14] <popey> hah
[20:41] <SuperEngineer> Is it safe to completely remove a linux image newer than one in current session via synaptic?
[20:43] <SuperEngineer> ...worries me as it also wants to remove linux-image & linux-image-generic
[20:45] <bigcalm_xoom> Found a bug while resizing a partition during the installer. Accedently tried to resize larger than the disk. Now I'm getting an error box of "can't have a partition outside of the disk!" That keeps coming back as soon as I clear it
[20:48] <popey> bigcalm_xoom: take screenshots / photos to file a bug?
[20:48] <popey> I'm sure xnox would be interested ☺
[20:48] <xnox> bigcalm_xoom: manual partitioning or the automatic resize widget?
[20:48] <bigcalm_xoom> Manual
[20:49] <xnox> and not kubuntu?!
[20:49] <bigcalm_xoom> No
[20:49] <xnox> bigcalm_xoom: ubuntu-bug ubiquity and please describe what you did. I can look at it next time i'll be poking manual partitioning.
[20:50] <bigcalm_xoom> I will try
[20:51] <brobostigon> question, do those tablet bottle, that have that push-screw top, seal tablets properly?
[20:53] <bigcalm_xoom> Oh dear, ubuntu-bug says that ubiquity is not an official ubuntu package and can't be reported
[20:56]  * bigcalm_xoom restarts and tries to be more careful
[20:56] <SuperEngineer> ah well... taking the chance anyway
[20:56]  * SuperEngineer crrosses fingies
[20:56] <xnox> =/
[20:56] <xnox> bigcalm_xoom: it may take a while for us to catch on that the bug-reporting tool has a bug
[20:57] <bigcalm_xoom> Hehe
[20:57] <xnox> bigcalm_xoom: are you launching that from the cd?
[20:57] <SuperEngineer> & promises to do update-grub before restart!
[20:58] <bigcalm_xoom> Xbox: fresh 12.10 image from a USB stick. Selected up
[20:58] <bigcalm_xoom> Gah
[20:58] <bigcalm_xoom> Selected download updates while installing and install 3rd party software
[21:02]  * bigcalm_xoom returns to watching MIB2 on bluray with his lovely lady
[21:02] <mgdm> bigcalm_xoom: enjoy
[21:02] <bigcalm_xoom> Ta :)
[21:02] <rindolf> Hi all.
[21:02] <bigcalm_xoom> Hayley hasn't seen it. Should be fun
[21:05] <bigcalm_xoom> Oh, might be what you called the resize widget. I wasn't in disk
[21:06]  * bigcalm_xoom runs away
[21:09] <SuperEngineer> ok, fully removed 3.2.0.37, updated grub... before I reboot, did i miss anything obvious?
[21:16] <BigRedS> nah, you'll have missed something hidden
[21:18] <SuperEngineer> thanks for the confidence BigRedS
[21:20] <BigRedS> haha
[21:20] <BigRedS> no worries!
[22:17] <SuperEngineer> ..and that's another added to "ignore"
[22:18] <popey> ?
[22:19] <SuperEngineer> popey: another racist named user
[22:20] <popey> oh missed that
[22:21] <czajkowski> popey: oh I share the same bug as you
[22:21] <czajkowski> bug #1041790
[22:21] <popey> annoying isnt it?
[22:23] <czajkowski> VERY
[22:23] <czajkowski> between that and my wifi bug little bit frustrated
[22:23] <czajkowski> logged a new bug for the wifi as the kernel folks think it's different
[22:23] <czajkowski> but have also confirmed it
[22:24] <SuperEngineer> wish me luck folks - here goes the reboot after removing a newer kernel. If I'm not back soon, you'll know why ;;)
[22:39] <SuperEngineer> ...Iiiii'mmmm baa-aaaack!
[22:39] <SuperEngineer> ...kernel remove / reinstal worked
[22:41]  * SuperEngineer wonders if he dare try his luck and go for an nvidia driver update as well? 
[22:42] <SuperEngineer> to paraphrase a certain writer... I'm a braver man than you, Gungadin!
[23:05] <SuperEngineer> darn! where are those nvidia drivers hiding.. I go for a download, no network activity followed by
[23:05] <SuperEngineer> 2failed
[23:05] <SuperEngineer> 2
[23:05] <SuperEngineer> I'm sure I need to remove old downloads... somehow
[23:06] <SuperEngineer> [sub 2/"]
[23:07] <SuperEngineer> if it wasn't for getting steam back I'd be happy using nvidia current
[23:15] <SuperEngineer> 'ang on - just tried the games downloaded this morning, they still work!  It's just Steam that wants updated drivers
[23:16] <SuperEngineer> ...so call it quits and kill Steam?  ...but will that also remove the games?
[23:17] <SuperEngineer> any ideas?
[23:20] <SuperEngineer> aww come on! there must be someone out there with a brain still working
[23:24] <SuperEngineer> hmm... apparently not.
[23:24] <SuperEngineer> Oh well, here I go, on my own, down that same ol' road again.
[23:24] <SuperEngineer> [hope nobody else uses that lyric]  ;)
[23:31] <phillw> SuperEngineer: maybe worth asking on #ubuntu-steam ? Yes, it does exist :)
[23:33] <SuperEngineer> thanks phillw - didn't know!
[23:33] <phillw> SuperEngineer: it was a lucky guess! Didn't have to google for it :D
[23:33] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[23:35] <SuperEngineer> & it's got 101 users!
[23:40] <SuperEngineer> looking at clock,,, think I'll call it quits with achievements so far...
[23:40] <SuperEngineer> [back to useable 3.3.0-37 kernel, nvidia [verion current], ganes downloaded this morning working fully again]
[23:41] <SuperEngineer> ...will ask on ubuntu-steam tomorrow - when brain less tired
[23:42] <SuperEngineer> & thanks again for the heads-up phillw
[23:42] <SuperEngineer> ttfn
[23:42] <phillw> SuperEngineer: take care!
[23:43] <SuperEngineer> will do