[00:00] <Physicist> jrib: Thank you!
[00:02] <znx> anyone got any ideas for me to experiment with?
[00:03] <Ben64> znx: can you open a terminal
[00:03] <braiam> codecacademy.com
[00:03] <test_server> znx
[00:04] <znx> Ben64: yup
[00:04] <znx> as it ctrl+alt+f1
[00:04] <braiam> ^ learn something new
[00:04] <Physicist> jrib: Could you see the xorg.log?  I send a link to you see what is wrong in my system.. Please.
[00:04] <test_server> znx what kind of machine u trying to install on
[00:04] <Physicist> !pastebian
[00:04] <braiam> !pastebin
[00:04] <jrib> Physicist: sure, paste the link in the channel (i have to step out for a bit)
[00:04] <znx> test_server: a tower ? .. what do you mean?
[00:04] <Ben64> znx: oh, i meant in gui... does ctrl+alt+t not work?
[00:05] <znx> Ben64: this is the installer .. ?
[00:05] <test_server> znx: just wondering to see if i can help. didn't know the reason why ubuntu wouldnt install
[00:05] <znx> k
[00:05] <znx> i tried 12.10 it wouldnt pass the disk prep
[00:05] <znx> 12.04 has passed that but is now stuck at the "reading package infomation"
[00:05] <znx> but i dont know how to work out what is wrong
[00:06] <Ben64> znx: how far into the process is that
[00:06] <Ben64> also, laptop or desktop? 64 or 32 bit? computer specs?
[00:06] <znx> Ben64: um very close to the start after the gui loads .. maybe two windows in from that
[00:06] <Ben64> trying to dual boot?
[00:06] <znx> no
[00:06] <znx> the computer is old .. around 2008/9
[00:07] <znx> but ive been using fedora and mint on it .. up until yesterday
[00:07] <Ben64> hmm
[00:07] <znx> so i know it to be good working order
[00:07] <znx> id really just like to find something that i can look at that would say "error this is wrong" ..
[00:08] <znx> but there isnt anything :\
[00:08] <znx> the /var/log/installer/debug doesnt say anything useful either
[00:08] <Physicist> jrib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1660305/
[00:08] <Ben64> maybe bad media?
[00:09] <znx> Ben64: i initally used a DVD .. then switched to USB .. then to another USB just to make sure
[00:09] <znx> basically .. i dont think so
[00:09] <Physicist> My system does not start. Stay in a endless loop: put my password, back to log screen...
[00:09] <Ben64> have you checked the md5
[00:09] <znx> yes
[00:09] <Physicist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1660305/
[00:09] <znx> the original iso i used has been confirmed as matching the md5sum
[00:10] <znx> id be happier if it was to blow up and dump errors at me .. but it simply hangs and says nothing
[00:10] <ubuntu22> Can anyone help me recover my Ubuntu system? I am trying to uninstall packages on the bad system from the live cd but I am getting errors from chroot.. read more here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/256653/cant-chroot-to-recover-ubuntu-64-bits
[00:10] <Ben64> hmm
[00:11] <antony_> does anyone know if its possible to duel boot windows 7 with ubuntu  and have MBr?
[00:11] <Ben64> antony_: define MBr
[00:11] <ubuntu22> antony_, you need to install grub to the mbr
[00:11] <znx> ubuntu22: do the obvious is /media/x/bin/bash there ?
[00:12] <ubuntu22> znx, yes sir.
[00:12] <znx> ubuntu22: is it a link to another binary .. or it is the binary itself
[00:12] <znx> maybe select /bin/sh
[00:12] <ubuntu22> znx, how do I check that?
[00:13] <znx> ubuntu22: ls -l /media/x/bin/bash
[00:13] <ubuntu22> znx, I get this: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 934336 2010-04-19 02:16 /media/x/bin/bash
[00:13] <znx> ls -F /media/x/bin/bash ... that can work too
[00:14] <ubuntu22> znx, the F flag returns: /media/x/bin/bash*
[00:14] <Physicist> Can anybody have a look in that link http://paste.ubuntu.com/1660305/
[00:14] <antony_> actually ignore that question i said,    next question is   can someone tell me the difference between wubi  and a regular install?
[00:14] <znx> ubuntu22: a * means its an executable .. so thats good
[00:14] <znx> an @ would represent a link to something
[00:14] <znx> ubuntu22: try doing: ldd /media/x/bin/bash
[00:14] <ubuntu22> znx, okay great.  I think the answer is quite complex looking at the link I posted.
[00:15] <ubuntu22> znx, what would you like to know about the ldd return info?
[00:15] <znx> ubuntu22: it should list a bunch of lib<something>.so.<something> ..
[00:16] <ubuntu22> znx, yes it did.
[00:16] <znx> check to see that those exist in the /media/x/lib directory
[00:16] <anew> do u guys use the gui on ubuntu ?
[00:16] <ubuntu22> znx, okay thank you so much I will do that.
[00:16] <znx> this is checking that the shared libraries exist .. as the second answer suggests they might not ubuntu22  ..
[00:17] <znx> i.e. you maybe havent mounted all the partitions .. or maybe something broke on your system and removed the library it needs
[00:18] <znx> ubuntu22: basically you did something a bit bad .. libc is one of those core packages
[00:18] <znx> breaking that breaks the whole system pretty much
[00:18] <haiciM> Hello!  Many ISPs' DHCP servers tell clients to use broken nameservers that resolve nonexistent domain names.  I want to configure NetworkManager and dnsmasq to ignore the nameservers the ISP specifies and always to use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4.  What is the best solution?
[00:19] <znx> ubuntu22: oh i have an idea .. may/may not work .. try busybox
[00:19] <haiciM> I'd rather not have to go through each connection in nm-connection-editor to configure the nameservers.
[00:19] <ubuntu22> znx, I'm pretty sure something did break.  I can't find linux-vdso.so.1 or linux-vdso.so.5 in the lib folder.
[00:19] <ubuntu22> znx, I forced install of 32 bit packages.
[00:19] <znx> ugh :-)
[00:20] <znx> ubuntu22: try chroot /media/x /bin/busybox
[00:21] <znx> but i have to say .. even if you manage to chroot
[00:21] <znx> you might find you cant run things .. because of the libraries that you are missing
[00:22] <sys0perat0r> hi
[00:23] <ubuntu22> znx, busybox worked
[00:24] <ubuntu22> znx, oh wait.  When I run sudo chroot /media/x /media/x/bin/busybox it errors
[00:24] <ubuntu22> znx, chroot: cannot run command `/media/x/bin/busybox': No such file or directory
[00:25] <Physicist> dr_willis: Hello. My system does not start. Stay in a endless loop: I put my password, back to log screen... Could you see my xorg.log and tell me if something is wrong? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1660305/
[00:26] <dr_willis> your system IS starting Physicist
[00:26] <dr_willis> X is just crashing back to the login screen
[00:26] <dr_willis> #1 - does the guest user work?  #2 - make a new user at the console. See if they work 'sudo adduser billgates'
[00:27] <dr_willis> #3 - if those users DO work. then its a setting issue with your problem user.  login to their accoiunt at the console and  make a backup direcory and start moving the various config files into it.  this will force your users settings back to defaults
[00:28] <Physicist> dr_willis: I disabled the guest account.
[00:28] <dr_willis> so make a new user then
[00:30] <dr_willis> theres some guides out at askubuntu.com and omgubuntu and webupd8 on how to 'reset users settings back to defaults'  which may be all you really need to do.
[00:30] <dr_willis> the .Xauthority file is a common problem file
[00:30] <mike304> guys, anyone experiencing this: after login ubuntu freezes and then restarts randomly?
[00:31] <dr_willis> mike304 could be a dozen reasons why it does it.. X crashing. drivers crashing. window manager crashing..
[00:31] <dr_willis> over heating.
[00:31] <dr_willis> bbl.
[00:32] <mike304> how can i troubleshoot?
[00:33] <compdoc> mike304, you make any changes recenly? install anything?
[00:33] <compdoc> *t
[00:33] <Physicist> Thank you dr.
[00:33] <mike304> to be honest i just installed ubuntu
[00:34] <mike304> was having issue with nvidia first, when the whole screen would go all weridy pixelated
[00:34] <mike304> then was fixed when i used cd to boot
[00:35] <mike304> but now sometimes the whole system freezes and then restarts
[00:35] <Ben64> sounds like hardware problem
[00:35] <compdoc> did you install the proprietory vid card driver? or install any drivers?
[00:35] <Ben64> like cpu or gpu getting too hot
[00:35] <czier> have  you looked through /var/log/syslog to check for hints?
[00:36] <mike304> i did do update on nvidia
[00:36] <mike304> doesn't seem like hardware getting too hot
[00:36] <mike304> windows runs fine on it without any problems
[00:37] <anew> well this is going to sound stupid but i cant resize my firefox window
[00:37] <osmdave> Hi how do I connect to a ubuntu 12.04 desktop remotely from 12.10 and run it in a window so that I can use both?  What software do I need?
[00:41] <histo> osmdave: there is desktop sharing built in.
[00:42] <brainbaobao> i'm wondering if anybody can help me reset to preloaded windows 8
[00:43] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: did you install Ubuntu over windows 8?
[00:43] <exutux> hi
[00:43] <osmdave> histo, thanks I could only see it in the login screen how do I run it in a window so I can see both?
[00:44] <brainbaobao> i created a partition, and installed it in the 100gig partition
[00:44] <exutux> how can you see las tune2fs was executed?
[00:44] <exutux> last*
[00:44] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: have you tried accessing the advanced options at boot by tapping SHIFT after the boot splash screen?
[00:45] <brainbaobao> i'm sorry, but i'm pretty new to ubuntu, whats a boot splash screen?
[00:45] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[00:45] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: its a screen that shows right before the boot loader trys to boot an operating system
[00:46] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: can you still boot into Windows 8?
[00:46] <brainbaobao> is it the acer logo screen?
[00:46] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: if it's an acer computer, than yes
[00:46] <brainbaobao> no, i can't boot to windows 8, it boots directly to ubuntu
[00:47] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: did you make restore discs?
[00:47] <brainbaobao> wiggmpk: i haven't tried after, but i tried pressing and holding shift during
[00:48] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: you probably cant access it, im taking a guess but I think grub replaced the master boot record.. so you would need to access the grub menu and select Windows 8 and boot into the OS, then you can refer to this http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-restore-and-reset-windows-8-to-factory-settings/
[00:48] <brainbaobao> unfortunately, no
[00:48] <bentinata> What mean "filesystem check or mount is failed"?
[00:49] <brainbaobao> how would i enter grub?
[00:50] <brainbaobao> miggwmpk: also my laptop came preloaded with win8
[00:50] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: by holding SHIFT when it displays
[00:50] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: the default option is to have the grub menu hidden.. so there is like a 5-10 second window after your ACER screen to hit shift to access the menu
[00:51] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: if you installed Ubuntu over your Windows 8 parition, there is nothing you can do but contact the manufacturer and have them send you restore/recovery discs
[00:52] <dr_willis> hmm. Firstr thing i do on any new windows machines.. spend like 4 hrs making a recovery dvd set.. not sure why it always sems to take forever for windows to make those things...
[00:52] <wiggmpk> dr_willis: cant tell you how many times people bring brand new computers to me (that they screwed up) and didnt have restore disc's
[00:55] <brainbaobao> i didn't install over, i created an empty partition and installed ubuntu in the empty partition
[00:55] <dr_willis> amazing thing us the pc makers cant just put the 4 iso images on the hd...
[00:55] <brainbaobao> i personally usually use mac, but decided to try windows8
[00:55] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: just covering all my bases man
[00:55] <dr_willis> why its 4 dvdv is anither oddity.. shovelware i guess.
[00:56] <wiggmpk> dr_willis: your absolutely right.. plus the vendor gets to charge the customer if they want the recovery discs
[00:57] <bentinata> I always install Ubuntu first, then Windows.
[00:57] <wiggmpk> dr_willis: i have a NFS copy of Windows 8 Pro from my MS rep, 1 single DVD go figure
[00:57] <bentinata> What mean "filesystem check or mount is failed"?
[00:58] <PoolShark_> I always install Ubuntu first and then VirtualBox and then Windows inside Vbox
[00:58] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: i just tried that, but all it does is what it usually does
[00:58] <savagecroc> with service whatever start.. do all of them usually just call start-stop-daemon ?  is there any process monitoring built into the ubuntu service system?
[00:58] <brainbaobao_> say it is checking disk for errors
[00:58] <wiggmpk> it is SHIFT to access the GRUB menu? anyone?
[00:59] <bekks> !grub2
[00:59] <bekks> huh?
[00:59] <bekks> Ah :)
[01:00] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: you can refer to this site to make the grub menu unhidden http://www.easy-ubuntu-linux.com/grub-menu-visible.html
[01:01] <brainbaobao_> but the thing is that the dvd is in, it's that the computer won'tboot from the dvd
[01:02] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: you would have to change the BIOS setting to try and boot from your DVD drive before your hard drive..
[01:02] <brainbaobao_> windows 8 changed it,
[01:02] <brainbaobao_> before installing ubuntu, i changed bios to read dvd-rom first
[01:03] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: I dont think an operating system can change BIOS options.. its like the government.. seperation of powers by layers
[01:03] <brainbaobao_> you have to go to windows 8, press shift and click restart to get into eufi
[01:04] <wiggmpk> EUFI is a different story
[01:04] <bentinata> "filesystem check or mount is failed"? I can't mount my windows partition.
[01:04] <PoolShark_> what's EUFI?
[01:05] <brainbaobao_> of uefi for that matter,
[01:06] <_DomY-Dom> Hi #ubuntu, which convertibles would you recommend for using Ubuntu with ?
[01:06] <brainbaobao_> bios is replaced by uefi, and
[01:06] <brainbaobao_> bios is dead
[01:07] <brainbaobao_> and one can only access uefi from windows
[01:07] <mussa> هاي
[01:07] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: BIOS isnt dead
[01:08] <Deezo> haha i think i broke the GUID partition table and now i cant boot into linux
[01:08] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: but there is not really a practical reason to use UEFI for MOST average users
[01:08] <mussa> هاي
[01:08] <brainbaobao_> or at least not accessible from direct boot is what i know and experienced
[01:09] <_DomY-Dom> brainbaobao_: even for those which don't run Windows RT but regular Windows 8, I can't partition ?
[01:09] <Physicist> dr_willis: Was created a new user and works sucessfuly. Meantime I see that I cannot make changes with sudo because the " new user" is not in sudoers. You sayd about the possibilitie of restore the configuration. How can I do it?
[01:10] <_DomY-Dom> brainbaobao_: Also there has to be a way to dualboot, Ubunutu does have a tutorial about how to boot an OS using UEFI surely right ?
[01:10] <dr_willis> Physicist: login at the console as the problem user and move the config files to a backup dir.
[01:11] <wiggmpk> _DomY-Dom: Windows RT is for ARM systems like a tablet, and yes Ubuntu supports UEFI (99% sure)
[01:12] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: since ubuntu may support uefi, can one access it?
[01:12] <Physicist> dr_willis, Could you give more detail about HOW do that?
[01:12] <dr_willis> Physicist:  bash basics..      mv file backupdir
[01:12] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: why exactly would you need to access it?
[01:13] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: it's just an application layer to start the booting process of an operating system
[01:13] <brainbaobao_> i just need to get to bios
[01:13] <dr_willis> tgeres detailed guides at the askubuntu.com   and omgubuntu and webupd8 blog sites
[01:13] <brainbaobao_> which seems impossible
[01:13] <rmwh> I wish to temporarely unmount my home partition, by copying all the files into a tmpfs and then mount the tmps as /home. Can this be done and if so, how?
[01:13] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: there should be a button.. typically F2 / F12 / or DEL at the BIOS splash screen (your acer logo) to get to the BIOS
[01:14] <brainbaobao_> i've tried every one of them, but to check i'll do it again, please excuse me for a moment
[01:15] <Noorideen> dr_willis: hello
[01:16] <dr_willis>  rmwh  be safer to put them on a real hd.. if you lose power while they are moved.. they wll be gone
[01:16] <dr_willis> rmwh:  is home on its own partition now?
[01:17] <rmwh> dr_willis, yes
[01:17] <dr_willis> rmwh: and what are you wanting to do with it?
[01:17] <rmwh> dr_willis: resizing it. I tried to do it using parted magic, but it didn't work
[01:18] <dr_willis> you can just unmount it.. resize it. and then mount it back. just watch out for any apps trying to access home for the time it takes to resize.. personally i resize  from a live cd. makes things easier
[01:18] <eric_> exit
[01:18] <rmwh> dr_willis: thanks, will try that!
[01:18] <osmdavid> hi can someone tell me how to connect to a remote ubuntu server graphicly 12.04 from ubuntu 12.10? I can open the terminal with ssh. But the build in remote desktop tutorial needs a gui in the first place and email address and xrdp tutorial is only for windows
[01:21] <Jofironses> osmdavid: are you looking for X forwarding through ssh?
[01:21] <savagecroc> i've setup the following script for nginx.. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6fa4811e7e21b5c77631   notice on line 37 i've specified the --retry option. However when i call it the process doesn't warn me that that nginx is still running
[01:21] <savagecroc> and it doesn't actually shut it down
[01:22] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk:f2 works sometimes, but i held down some random keys, and it displayed error, and i got into bios,
[01:22] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: do you suggest that i put windows boot loader at the top?
[01:23] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  depending on wha tyou need to do. ssh and x forwarding can acomplish most tasks. no need for a full desktop to be forwarded
[01:23] <osmdavid> Jofironses, I want to run it remotely I can do it from windows with xrdp but I want to control it in a window in my ubuntu desktop not windows. Not sure about X. Its Unity.
[01:23] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  X is the foundation of the whole Desktop in linux.
[01:23] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: well you cant do that from the BIOS.. if you plan on keeping Ubuntu alongside windows you'll have to decide which bootloader you want to handle booting.. GRUB which is installed by Ubuntu or the Windows boot loader.. but it should be on the MBR
[01:24] <dr_willis> Unity is a shell on top of gnome3 which runs on top of X
[01:24] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: if you can boot into windows.. then you can research how to restore the MBR
[01:24] <osmdavid> dr,willis ok as long as I dont loose my current desktop. I just want to view one inside the other and control it by remote desktop
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> Ubuntu isn't starting up graphically because I wrote an xorg.conf file it doesn't like and then restarted.  How do I get to a terminal to fix this?
[01:25] <brainbaobao_> I'm not sure if GRUB is damaged, or if it's just because ubuntu changed the boot settings of my computer
[01:25] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  then you want to enable the gnome remote desktop. or use x11vnc if you want to share the CURRENT vidsible desktop.  if you can see both monitors..  you can remote controll the other pc from a differnt one via syngery.
[01:26] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: are you booting into Ubuntu?
[01:26] <Physicist> dr_willis, Could you give me a link?
[01:26] <dr_willis> !text | tiglionabbit
[01:26] <dr_willis> Physicist:  a link to what?
[01:26] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: yes, the system running is ubuntu
[01:26] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: then GRUB isnt damaged.. it just doesnt "see" Windows 8
[01:27] <osmdavid> dr_willis I only have one monitor im on a laptop. I how do I install the gnome remote desktop for unity from the command line?
[01:27] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk:ok, so since i'm a newbie, what do you suggest me to do
[01:27] <Physicist> dr_willis, To resolve my problem dr. Backup the files...
[01:27] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  its allready installed. you just need to enable the remote desktop feature.
[01:27] <dr_willis> Physicist:  i mentioned the askubuntu.com site. and  the omgubuntu, and webupd8 blog sites
[01:28] <osmdavid> dr_willis ok so how do I enable it from the command line and how do I connect to it from this side?
[01:28] <dr_willis> Physicist:  you login at the console as tghe problem user. and move the  .config and .Xauthority and perhaps other files to a backup directory
[01:28] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: open a termina and try "sudo apt-get install grub-pc" to see if it detects your other OS
[01:28] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  no idea on doing it from trhe command line. normally one logs in and uses the menu/settings to enable it.
[01:29] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: there is another problem that is very urgent
[01:29] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: root does not work
[01:29] <osmdavid> dr_willis yes this is my problem I cant see the desktop until I find a way to connect to the server remotely
[01:29] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: how did you determine that?
[01:30] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  no monitor?  if theres no current desktop running.. then you can just use a normal vnc server that can be started once you ssh in.
[01:30] <osmdavid> that is why I want to connect to it so I can see it
[01:30] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: either its that i entered a very similar but different password with a typo during setup, or ...
[01:30] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  theres 2 ways you can do it.. share the CURRENT visuble desktop (which you aparently dont have) or ssh in, run vncserver and have a 'hidden' desktop thats NOT visible on the remote machine
[01:30] <CC> dr_willis: Nice to see you again. I need help allocating more space to linux. I'm trying to download TF2 but my /dev/loop0 is out of memory
[01:30] <osmdavid> dr_willis no it is a rented dedicated ubuntu server and I have installed unity but I can only connect from here to the command line with ssh I want to know how to remote view the desktop
[01:30] <dr_willis> it will only be visible when you vnc into it
[01:31] <bentinata> "filesystem check or mount is failed"? I can't mount my windows partition.
[01:31] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: if your logging into the user you made when you installed Ubuntu, then its YOUR password
[01:31] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk:  it exists, but authentication process says that root is incorrect,
[01:31] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  a vps you mean?
[01:31] <brainbaobao_> yes
[01:31] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: then root is...?
[01:31] <Jofironses> osmdavid: you could try x11vnc
[01:31] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  if its a virtual machine.. then you ssh in, and run vnc.. but thats not secure over the internet. Best to use SSH and X forwarding
[01:32] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: in fedora, administrator password=root
[01:32] <dr_willis> x11vnc on a virtual server dosent make a lot of sence.. since theres no actual display for it
[01:32] <mike304> can someone troubleshoot this
[01:32] <mike304> http://sharetext.org/vKxb
[01:32] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: your not technically using "root", sudo is just requesting super user privileges.. its YOUR password for your regular user, because you SHOULD belong to the "sudo" group
[01:32] <mike304> see if there is any problems?
[01:32] <Ben64> !root | brainbaobao_
[01:32] <CC> Anyone? I need help allocating more space to linux to download a program.
[01:33] <brainbaobao_> yes, but as i disabled my password, it still asks for sudo, and as i entered the previous password,  it displays it failed
[01:33] <dr_willis> cc youmay want to give some background details.. since its not clear what your setup is
[01:33] <cman> purge win8
[01:33] <osmdavid> dr_willis ok Can I use X forwarding and keep my current unity desktop at the same time?
[01:33] <Ben64> brainbaobao_: how did you disable it
[01:33] <bekks> osmdavid: Yes.
[01:33] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: more importantly, why on earth would you disable your password
[01:33] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  what current desktop? the one on the LOCAL box? you said the server had no desktop running
[01:34] <brainbaobao_> ben64:usersettings
[01:34] <CC> dr_willis: I've got Ubuntu 12.10 with 19gb memory allocated to /dev/loop0,  all of which I've used
[01:34] <dr_willis> osmdavid:  if you X forward. the apps appear on the local X desktop
[01:34] <Jofironses> osmdavid: try logging in to your server with 'ssh -L5900:localhost:5900' then connect your vnc to localhost and your connection is secure
[01:34] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: because nobody else will be in this house but me for the next 4 months
[01:34] <dr_willis> cc meory allocated to loop? huh?
[01:34] <Sazpaimon> how can I make an NTFS junction point from within linux?
[01:35] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: its not good practice.. thats some Windows stuff right there.. the most dangerous threat to your computer is physical access
[01:35] <Jofironses> Sazpaimon: I don't think there is a way
[01:35] <dr_willis> CC so you are on a live cd? or live usb? or what exactly?
[01:35] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: I dont know how to recover a *nix password mate, sorry
[01:35] <brainbaobao_> true, that was kind of stupid,
[01:35] <CC> dr_willis: I've got my install of ubuntu alongside Windows
[01:35] <CC> dr_willis:http://pastebin.com/CtyisuhY
[01:35] <bekks> brainbaobao_: When disabling a password, you have to have another account with root access to reset it again.
[01:36] <Ben64> !password | brainbaobao_
[01:36] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: if it were me.. and this is my opinion.. I would just reinstall Ubuntu..
[01:36] <Jofironses> Sazpaimon: you could try ln, but still that would work only on linux and wouldn't be a junction point
[01:36] <Ben64> it's not that hard to fix a password
[01:36] <Sazpaimon> Jofironses, I already tried regular linux symlinks, it makes interix-style symlinks
[01:37] <Jofironses> Sazpaimon: yep, it's only linux
[01:37] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: provided that windows boots correctly, your probably correct
[01:37] <Sazpaimon> which works in interix on windows, but they're not junction points
[01:37] <osmdavid> hmm I think I will go back to windows. I can connect with putty. Run xrdp and then open it in a window and carry on using this machine as well as the other one in a window
[01:37] <Sazpaimon> Jofironses, well technically interix is part of windows
[01:37] <dr_willis> CC you mean you have a WUBI install?
[01:37] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: it should automatically detect your other operating system and place that entry in the Grub menu for you to decide which to boot
[01:37] <CC> dr_willis: Indeed
[01:37] <osmdavid> I just hoped I could do that ubuntu to ubuntu instead of ubuntu to windows
[01:37] <dr_willis> CC theres  guides out there on resizeing WUBI  installs.
[01:38] <brainbaobao_> it hasn't done so yet, after 7 attempts
[01:38] <Sazpaimon> what about NTFS volume mount points?
[01:38] <Sazpaimon> like how they're done with mountvol on windows?
[01:38] <Jofironses> Sazpaimon: indeed, but windows does not support linux's sym links, at least natively
[01:38] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: and installing "grub-pc" was our attempt to do that.. but without sudo access.. I cant really help ya
[01:38] <Sazpaimon> yeah it's weird that ntfs-3g makes interix symlinks since I dont think anyone uses interix anymore'
[01:39] <bekks> brainbaobao_: Fix your password first, to gain user access and sudo access.
[01:41] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: if you decide to reinstall.. you should have a look at this first though https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[01:41] <brainbaobao_> bekks: how? i've tried everything inmy limited knowledge and searched google for hours, but as wiggmpk says, i don't have sudo access
[01:41] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: thank you so much
[01:41] <Jofironses> Sazpaimon:  http://serverfault.com/questions/165389/create-ntfs-symbolic-links-from-within-linux
[01:42] <dr_willis> you can reset the users passwords from the recovery console i think
[01:42] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: your also using Windows 8 with UEFI and could possibly be using Ubuntu without UEFI, and im not sure they would mesh together properly
[01:42] <Sazpaimon> cool, but I actually dont want symlinks
[01:42] <Sazpaimon> I want an NTFS mount point
[01:42] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: also i don't recall disabling intel smart response
[01:43] <savagecroc> does UEFI allow you to run multiple OSs kinda like VMs but on a hardware level?
[01:43] <Sazpaimon> like when you mount an actual volume to a directory in windows
[01:43] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: no
[01:43] <savagecroc> :(
[01:44] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: UEFI is just an application layer between vendor firmware and operating systems.. much like the BIOS
[01:44] <CC> dr_willis: Will creating a new virtual disk with higher memory capacity remove the data that I have on the one I'm using now?
[01:44] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: put this in a terminal and tell me what it says
[01:44] <savagecroc> right.. so it's main purpose is for what secure boot? or just making life easier for OS developers
[01:44] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "Installed in EFI mode" || echo "Installed in Legacy mode"
[01:45] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: literally?
[01:45] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: yes
[01:45] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: will either say Installed in EFI mode or Legacy mode
[01:45] <Jofironses> Sazpaimon: something like 'mount -t ntfs /dev/sdX /media/windows' ?
[01:46] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: sorry, it was cut off     [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "Installed in EFI mode" || echo "Installed in Legacy mode"
[01:46] <Jofironses> like that you're mount your ntfs volume on the directory /media/windows
[01:46] <bekks> brainbaobao_: You have to boot a livecd, chroot into your installation, reset your password.
[01:46] <Sazpaimon> Jofironses, no, like in windows I would do mountvol C:\mountpoint \\?\Volume\{2eca078d-5cbc-43d3-aff8-7e8511f60d0e}\
[01:46] <Sazpaimon> i want to make a mountpoint like that that would apply in windows
[01:47] <ctmjr> Sazpaimon: is your nfs server setup?
[01:47] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: says legacy
[01:47] <Sazpaimon> ctmjr, I said NTFS not nfs
[01:47] <Kuuipo> /sys/firmware/efi: Is a directory
[01:47] <Kuuipo> Installed in Legacy mode
[01:47] <Sazpaimon> for some reason ntfs-3g sets those directories as /mnt/ntfsvolume//.NTFS-3G/Volume{bc90b059-d55c-11de-9c5e-806e6f6e6963}
[01:47] <wiggmpk> Kuuipo: yeah if you dont have the directoy you probably have /sys/firmware/acpi or something
[01:48] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: then I would read that article about UEFI and ubuntu and reinstall... will probably make things a bit easier to co-exist with Windows 8
[01:48] <savagecroc> has anyone got macosx working in virtualbox?
[01:49] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: thanks, but even with the cutoff it still said legacy,
[01:49] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: I have, but its a pain
[01:49] <Kuuipo> thnx wiggmpk
[01:49] <Jofironses> Sazpaimon: Ok let me understand, what are you running, are you providing some kind of sharing service like nfs?
[01:49] <Sazpaimon> I'm nor
[01:49] <Sazpaimon> *not
[01:49] <dr_willis> savagecroc:  ive seen guides on  the lifehacker site about doing that.
[01:49] <savagecroc> wiggmpk: oh :(  really? pain in what way... just difficult to configure?
[01:49] <Sazpaimon> Im migrating a failing drive to new drives
[01:49] <Jofironses> what distro are you using
[01:49] <Sazpaimon> ubuntu 12.04
[01:49] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: you need special images to get it to boot, then special images to install it
[01:49] <Sazpaimon> Basically the old drive had the Users directory mounted to another drive in windows
[01:50] <savagecroc> I basically want to setup a computer with ubuntu as the primary but also have OSX / Windows 8 as VMs
[01:50] <Sazpaimon> I need to re-create that mount point from within linux so it works in windows
[01:50] <brainbaobao_> wiggmpk: i see, there is no efi partition in my computer, sorry for the trouble.. and thanks!
[01:50] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: google something called "hackboot"
[01:50] <CC> I need about 1gb more space on my virtual disk. Any way to do this without wiping data?
[01:50] <savagecroc> wiggmpk: googling
[01:51] <Jofironses> I see, if I understood it correctly, you want to mount your ntfs partition in linux so that when you start windows you could transfer your old files
[01:51] <savagecroc> i might also ask over at vbox
[01:51] <Jofironses> is that it?
[01:51] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao_: its no trouble.. but read that article and get ubuntu installed with UEFI support.. will probably solve your problems
[01:51] <savagecroc> wiggmpk: if you get it to work, would you expect it to work?
[01:51] <dr_willis> CC i recall seeing some guides on resuzeing your wubi install from within windows. Or you could make a  second   filesystem inside a file and mount it somewhere..
[01:51] <savagecroc> i.e. the various iOS functions.. pretty much want to use it for iOS development
[01:52] <Quanten> Hi, I'm trying to run GParted, but it hangs on "Scanning all devices"
[01:52] <savagecroc> sorry OS functions*
[01:52] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: I don't understand your question....
[01:52] <Quanten> Does any one know why? (I'm trying to remove a corrupted Windows partition)
[01:52] <savagecroc> wiggmpk: do you get a half working OS is what i'm asking
[01:52] <dr_willis> Quanten:  could be a HD is failing and hanging it up
[01:52] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: yes and no
[01:52] <fwilson> Quanten: How long have you waited?
[01:52] <Quanten> Around five minutes.
[01:52] <Jofironses> Quanten: you might have to run windows chkdsk before you can work with gparted
[01:52] <Quanten> I'm running ubuntu from a live cd
[01:52] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: it works.. updates (even though the copy of Mac OSX i have isnt legal) but there are hiccups.. lockups.. etc
[01:53] <Quanten> the windows partition is corrupted i can't boot it.
[01:53] <dr_willis> if you just want to delete a windows partion. fdisk, or parted can do that
[01:53] <Quanten> What is fdisk and parted?
[01:53] <dr_willis> disk partioning tools
[01:53] <savagecroc> wiggmpk: it's a pain having to have multiple computers for development.. especially since i do 90% in ubuntu
[01:53] <dr_willis> fdisk, parted, cfdisk   are command line partioning tools
[01:53] <Quanten> Gparted is not working. It just hangs while searching for devices ;/
[01:54] <dr_willis> Quanten:  yes.. you said that... which is why we recommended you try the cli tools
[01:54] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: I only did it as an experiment.. I have no intention on using Mac OSX for any practical purpose..
[01:54] <wiggmpk> savagecroc: but I believe VMWare fully supports the install of Mac OSX, dont quote me on that though
[01:54] <savagecroc> wiggmpk: yeah... i'm worried if xcode and all it's dependancies will work
[01:54] <Quanten> Oh, they are for the terminal? Sorry, I'm not very experienced with ubuntu
[01:55] <martincho>  :)
[01:55] <fwilson> If you've only waited 5mins that might not be enough time... it can take a bit depending on the disk size and the number of partitions I think
[01:55] <dr_willis> command line = terminal
[01:55] <Quanten> there's only 1 partition; windows
[01:56] <dr_willis> Quanten:  what versionof windows?
[01:56] <Quanten> windows 7 home premium x64
[01:56] <dr_willis> last i looked windows7 normally has like 3 partions it uses... on a normal setup
[01:56] <Quanten> Oh.
[01:56] <Quanten> >.<
[01:56] <wiggmpk> 2
[01:56] <CC> dr_willis: One more problem. When I boot my computer and try to choose my OS, it flashes between windows and ubuntu
[01:56] <Quanten> i thought it was just one, sorry.
[01:56] <p5mith> exit
[01:56] <dr_willis> its own /boot thing, the actual partion and the companies tend to put a recovery partion on the hd
[01:56] <p5mith> quit
[01:56] <Quanten> okay, i booted fdisk from the terminal. How do I proceed to remove windows from the cli?
[01:57] <wiggmpk> oh yeah, then 3
[01:57] <Quanten> I see Usage, Options
[01:57] <brainbaobao> wiggmpk: thank you so much, windows has successfully booted, i'll reinstall ubuntu
[01:57] <Quanten> with stuff underneath each of the categories
[01:57] <dr_willis> Quanten:  you need to look  and see what partions exist.. and what ones you want to delete
[01:57] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: with UEFI support??? hehe
[01:57] <Jofironses> Quanten: try man parted
[01:57] <dr_willis> Quanten:  you want to totally delete ALL windows partiions?
[01:57] <Quanten> yes
[01:57] <Quanten> i have nothing on there i need
[01:57] <Quanten> and
[01:57] <Quanten> it's very corrupted
[01:58] <dr_willis> is there a existing linux install on it? is there anything on the hd you are trying to save?
[01:58] <Quanten> no
[01:58] <CC> dr_willis: One more problem. When I boot my computer and try to choose my OS, it flashes between windows and ubuntu
[01:58] <dr_willis> Then you should be able to tell the installer to delete/use the whole hard disk and it should do so... no need to delete stuff befor hand
[01:58] <silverone> Hello!, I made a small bash script in case my mumble/openvpn/samba processes crashed, could any of you take a quick look at it and tell me if it's any good :P ... for all intents and purposes, it works ( i think )
[01:58] <silverone> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1660794/
[01:58] <dr_willis> CC i dont use wubi.. so no idea on how it works. I advise NOT using wubi.... ever...
[01:58] <Quanten> yes, but the intstaller hangs before i get to that step.
[01:58] <brainbaobao> wiggmpk: of course, or at least of course i'll try!
[01:59] <znx> ok .. im admitting defeat .. ubuntu will not install on my hardware .. BOOO
[01:59] <Quanten> i waited for two hours and it just kept showing the loading wheel
[01:59] <wiggmpk> brainbaobao: hehe you'll get it
[01:59] <znx> i have another old beast i can give it a go on i guess
[01:59] <brainbaobao> wiggmpk: thanks
[01:59] <Quanten> it's hanging on the "Preparing to install" step
[01:59] <wiggmpk> np
[01:59] <dr_willis> Quanten: fdisk has a 'd' for delette option. delete the partions, then 'w' to write changes to disk.. that will delete them all.
[01:59] <CC> dr_willis: Well to be honest I'm just using linux to open Team Fortress 2 for the promotional item XD I figured wubi would be a good "do it and be done with it" thing
[02:00] <Quanten> how do i type it onto the cli?
[02:00] <Quanten> i tried fdisk d and fdisk -d
[02:00] <Quanten> but none work
[02:00] <Quanten> sorry
[02:00] <dr_willis> Quanten:  IN fdisk.. you use 'd' for delete
[02:00] <dr_willis> l for list.. and so forth,, its menu deiven
[02:00] <dr_willis> driven
[02:00] <dr_willis> p for print partion info...
[02:01] <dr_willis> h for help.... :)
[02:01] <Quanten> oh, is fdisk a program?
[02:01] <Jofironses> yep
[02:01] <Quanten> i just typed fdisk into the cli
[02:01] <dr_willis> err.. yes...
[02:01] <Quanten> oops. derp.
[02:01] <Quanten> how do i install it?
[02:01] <dr_willis> and that runs fdisk,. and you then use its text based menus...
[02:02] <dr_willis> you said it ran.... so its installed..
[02:02] <Jofironses> fdisk is already insntalled by default
[02:02] <Quanten> i meant like
[02:02] <Quanten> it just showed some options
[02:02] <Quanten> in the terminal
[02:02] <dr_willis> Now would be a good time for you to hit up google for a Fdisk tutorial i think...
[02:02] <Quanten> when i said fdisk
[02:02] <FloodBot1> Quanten: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:02] <dr_willis> and the options said what?   those were the fdisk menu items...
[02:02] <dr_willis> i am guessing
[02:02] <Jofironses> try 'fdisk -l /dev/sda'
[02:03] <Jofironses> it should list your partitions
[02:03] <dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda   may  be needed..  'sudo fdisk /dev/sda' may also be what you need..
[02:03] <dr_willis> if you are SURE you want to delete all partions on sda.. it will be somthing like...
[02:03] <dr_willis> sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[02:04] <zykotick9> dr_willis: ;) old timer.  it's "sudo parted -l" for the gpt-generation :p
[02:04] <dr_willis> then hit d (enter) to delete the first partion... and repeate the d (enter) a few times to delete the next and next... then w to write changes...
[02:04] <dr_willis> if hes even on a gpt disk. ;)
[02:04] <zykotick9> dr_willis: i was just joking!  i'm not following the issue!
[02:04] <Quanten> when i hit d, it says Partition number(1-4): ..
[02:04] <Quanten> and when i type 1
[02:05] <Quanten> it just repeats it
[02:05] <Quanten> i tried sda1, /dev/sda1
[02:05] <Quanten> et
[02:05] <Quanten> c
[02:05] <FloodBot1> Quanten: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:05] <dr_willis> you just deleted #1
[02:05] <Quanten> ah, thanks.
[02:05] <dr_willis> so repeate the d for 2 3 4 and so on
[02:05] <dr_willis> dont expect a lot of feedback. ;)
[02:05] <Quanten> uhh
[02:05] <dr_willis> note the p = for PRINT partitions (i think)
[02:06] <dr_willis> d 1, d 1 , d 1.... w
[02:06] <dr_willis> to write changes.. ;)
[02:06] <dr_willis> then p or l to show what pattiions are on the hd.
[02:06] <dr_willis> when in doubt read the help item fdisk offers
[02:07] <Quanten> i accidentally closed the cli, and now when i run sudo -l /dev/sda
[02:07] <Quanten> it says "building a new sundisk label...etc etc until you decided o write them"
[02:07] <dr_willis> its sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[02:07] <Quanten> yeah
[02:07] <Quanten> that's what i meant, sorry
[02:08] <infinitux> hi. for some reason my wife's laptop battery is coming up dead in ubuntu
[02:08] <infinitux> but it shows a full charge when windows is booted
[02:08] <dr_willis> sudo fdisk /dev/sda to  partition the disk... the -l just lists whats there
[02:08] <Quanten> so it says "building a new sun disklabel. changes will remain in memory only, until u decide to write them."
[02:08] <Jofironses> infinitux: seems like a driver problem
[02:08] <Quanten> okay, when it ype that
[02:08] <Quanten> nothing appears
[02:08] <Quanten> is that good?
[02:08] <Quanten> (only thing is command (m for help))
[02:08] <dr_willis> when you type what?
[02:08] <Quanten> sudo fdisk /dev/sda
[02:08] <Quanten> Command (m for help):
[02:08] <Quanten> is what appears
[02:08] <FloodBot1> Quanten: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:09] <dr_willis> read the help,,, it shows  what keys do what.. look at thelist or partions
[02:09] <infinitux> Jofironses what kind of driver problem?
[02:09] <dr_willis> its either L or P
[02:09] <cameronc> dr_willis: What is the command to find what is taking up the most space
[02:09] <Jofironses> You might be mmissing your battery's driver or maybe you've got the wrong driver
[02:09] <dr_willis> if no partions are shown.. then the disk is blank.. no partitions... see if the installer can work now.
[02:09] <Quanten> how do il ook at the list?
[02:09] <dr_willis> Quanten:  again.. hit the m for HELP and read what keys do what...
[02:10] <ctmjr> press m
[02:10] <dr_willis> it should show L for list. or P for paretions.. or somthing ..... read....
[02:10]  * dr_willis is having to do this from, memory
[02:11] <sudo-apt-get> Anyone uses bestukvpn here in ubuntu? What to put in Gateway and NT Domain in vpn settings?
[02:11] <Quanten> okay so i hit w
[02:11] <Jofironses> I'm sorry but I can't help much with that, you could look into lsmod and seed if something related to your battery shows up
[02:11] <Quanten> and it says "The partition table has been altered!" Calling ioctl() to reread partition table"
[02:11] <dr_willis> you use d to delete the partions. then w to write the changes.. that exits fdisk.. then you can try the installer again
[02:11] <Guest85127> z
[02:11] <Quanten> and then "Warning: rereading the partitino table failed with error 16: device or resource busy"
[02:11] <dr_willis> Quanten:  so now i would reboot. and retry the installer.
[02:11] <cameronc> dr_willis: What is the command to find what is taking up the most space
[02:11] <Quanten> okay thanks.
[02:12] <dr_willis> cameronc:  df or du with some options..
[02:12] <Jofironses> cameronc: find
[02:12] <sudo-apt-get> Anyone uses bestukvpn here in ubuntu? What to put in Gateway and NT Domain in vpn settings to connect to bestukvpn? Or maybe suggest a good vpn site which works in ubuntu...
[02:13] <Quanten> when i hit l in fdisk, it shows a lot of partitions that i never installed (0 unassigned, 1 boot, 2 sunos root, 3...etc all some sort of linux or sunos thing)
[02:13] <Quanten> is this the cd?
[02:13] <Quanten> oh wait
[02:13] <Quanten> success!
[02:13] <Quanten> the installer pulled through
[02:13] <Quanten> thanks you so much dr_willis
[02:13]  * Quanten shakes dr_willis' hand vigorously
[02:14] <thoonai> how do I create a self signed certificate for my webserver the best way?
[02:14] <bonhoeffer_> anyone know how to find the path i'm at when i browse somewhere in the file manager
[02:14] <BHXSpecter> *sigh* well today was going good until I installed Steam and now I can't get my system to upgrade to 12.10 or update because of an install issue with libdrm-nouveau2 ...still Googling for a solution
[02:15] <bonhoeffer_> oh i see i'm at smb://192.168.1.106/volume_1/
[02:15] <bonhoeffer_> how do i "cd" to this
[02:15] <sudo-apt-get> HELLO,Anyone uses bestukvpn here in ubuntu? What to put in Gateway and NT Domain in vpn settings to connect to bestukvpn? Or maybe suggest a good vpn site which works in ubuntu...
[02:15] <dr_willis> bonhoeffer_:  'pwd' shows your current working direcgory path
[02:15] <OerHeks> thoonai, see https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/certificates-and-security.html#generating-a-csr
[02:15] <cameronc> dr_willis: Are there any non-essential files I can get rid of? I need about 80mb more of space D:
[02:15] <dr_willis> bonhoeffer_:  and tghe prompt shows it also
[02:15] <bonhoeffer_> dr_willis, i can't get there in terminal
[02:15] <thoonai> OerHeks: thx
[02:15] <dr_willis> cameronc:  chean your apt cache perhaps
[02:16] <dr_willis> bonhoeffer_:  cant get where?
[02:16] <bonhoeffer_> it is an smb mount that i only get to through the file manger
[02:16] <fwilson> sudo-apt-get: Any VPN *sites* should work, there is a built in VPN client.
[02:16] <bonhoeffer_> to smb://192.168.1.106/volume_1/
[02:16] <bonhoeffer_> cd:cd:10: no such file or directory: smb://192.168.1.106/volume_1/
[02:16] <dr_willis> bonhoeffer_:  nauilys mounts those in your .gvfs directory in your home
[02:16] <bonhoeffer_> ah .. .
[02:16] <bonhoeffer_> perfect!
[02:16] <dr_willis> bonhoeffer_:   smb:// are NAUTILUS  special addresses.. NOT bash paths
[02:16] <sudo-apt-get> fwilson, what to put in NT Domain box and Gateway box?
[02:17] <sudo-apt-get> fwilson, I have tried a lot before asking here.....
[02:17] <WHAT_UP> is there a way to make something "always on top" with such high priority that it even goes on top of something that goes fullscreen?
[02:17] <hyl> nice to meet you!
[02:17] <fwilson> sudo-apt-get: It's not an Ubuntu-specific question, you're unlikely to get an answer here, sorry :(
[02:18] <cameronc> dr_willis: That's almost got it. Is there anything else i could do?
[02:18] <WeThePeople> how to copy my localhost db (xampp) to a server?
[02:18] <ctmjr> WHAT_UP: gnome?
[02:18] <dr_willis> cameronc:   i dont even know what you are doing...
[02:18] <WHAT_UP> ctmjr: i'm using xfce now
[02:18] <BHXSpecter> does this mean my system is messed up or is there a fix I'm not finding ? http://pastebin.com/vQhSSySP
[02:18] <sudo-apt-get> fwilson, but the same settings work in windows, this must be a ubuntu problem
[02:18] <PoolShark_> xfce ricks
[02:18] <PoolShark_> er, rocks
[02:18] <cameronc> dr_willis: Trying to clear a little bit of space. I don't need as much as I though.
[02:18] <fwilson> sudo-apt-get: What do you mean? You use the same gateway and NT domain?
[02:18] <WHAT_UP> PoolShark_: it does indeed never let me down
[02:19] <dr_willis> bbl
[02:19] <sudo-apt-get> fwilson, there are two boxes where I put BestUKVPN.com and thats all in windows
[02:20] <fwilson> sudo-apt-get: Have you tried just leaving NT domain and gateway blank?
[02:20] <andsim> hello i need help on ubuntu 12.04, i trying get other user able to use port 80 but it in use, but root shgow no 80 port was in used
[02:20] <Sazpaimon> here's a general linux question that's bothered me for years
[02:20] <WHAT_UP> in particular, i'd want eventually to have a grid display on my screen regardless of what is running
[02:20] <sudo-apt-get> fwilson, yes, but with no help
[02:20] <Sazpaimon> why does it take longer to tell me a password is incorrect than when it's correct
[02:20] <fwilson> andsim: Only root can open ports below 1024.
[02:21] <Sazpaimon> usually when I type an incorrect password, it takes like 5 seconds, a correct password is usually near instant
[02:21] <WHAT_UP> Sazpaimon: it slows down on purpose to prevent brute forcing
[02:21] <fwilson> WHAT_UP: beat me to it :)
[02:21] <Sazpaimon> well I dont know why I didn't think of that
[02:21] <andsim> great so i cant use other user use 80 at all?
[02:22] <Guest42963> guess not
[02:22] <fwilson> andsim: You could redirect ports and things, but then it gets complicated
[02:23] <GeekSquid> andsim: you can user apache user folders and the sites showup as site.com/~username
[02:24] <fwilson> GeekSquid: Didn't think of that :) andsim: that requires some configuration, just to let you know
[02:24] <andsim> no it aurora-sim http call
[02:24] <cameronc> dr_willis: How would you go about removing files from the file system. Trying to remove firefox :3
[02:25] <fwilson> cameronc: Don't delete firefox from the filesystem, use apt-get to remove programs in ubuntu
[02:26] <GeekSquid> cameronc: you don't like firefox? sudo apt-get remove firefox
[02:26] <BHXSpecter> need help, but not sure if my problem is a Steam issue or a Ubuntu issue as it came about after installing Steam, but it is making it so I can't install or update anything in ubuntu now :/
[02:26] <cameronc> GeekSquid: Can't remove for some reason. One second for pastebin
[02:26] <ZeroUm> hey
[02:27] <ZeroUm> may I ask something
[02:27] <ZeroUm> I loaded 12.10 on a virtualbox on this mac
[02:27] <ZeroUm> then i tried to disable compiz
[02:28] <ZeroUm> which ended with me disabling the composite window and losing unity
[02:28] <ZeroUm> do I'm w/o the window manager atm
[02:28] <ZeroUm> I've been trying to reset it looking for some answers on google, but no luck
[02:29] <cameronc> GeekSquid: http://pastebin.com/1jHfyZTn
[02:29] <BHXSpecter> I installed Steam then added the ppa it recommended (x-updates or something like that), checked for updates and told them to install..tried to install a mesa lib dependent on libdrm-nouveau2 and then failed, but now I can't upgrade to 12.10 due to error or install anything due to mesa/libdrm error and can't find a solution on Google
[02:29] <DaemonicApathy> ZeroUm: Does Ctrl+T bring up a terminal?
[02:29] <ZeroUm> one moment
[02:29] <DaemonicApathy> Er, Ctrl+Alt+T
[02:30] <fwilson> BHXSpecter: Try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[02:30] <BHXSpecter> tried that command several times today with no luck
[02:30] <fwilson> BHXSpecter: Oh... hmm... can you pastebin the output of that command?
[02:31] <BHXSpecter> yeah just a sec
[02:31] <ZeroUm> oh yes, c+a+T does it
[02:31] <thoonai> OerHeks: hey
[02:31] <DaemonicApathy> ZeroUm: You can use that to run compizconfig-settings-manager (after installing it, if necessary).
[02:32] <BHXSpecter> fwilson: here http://pastebin.com/MXGCveQ1
[02:32] <thoonai> OerHeks: whats this openssl req? I don't see clearly what ist does
[02:32] <ZeroUm> yes, I'll try that now, thanks
[02:32] <rushboy> Hello , Can anyone please guide me with this : How do I install libjogl2 in ubuntu ?
[02:33] <cameronc> is there a way to remove a small amount of data so I can uninstall firefox
[02:33] <WHAT_UP> is there any way to directly set the color of a pixel, in such a way that moving a window behind it won't change the pixel's color?
[02:33] <cameronc> Besides apt-get clean
[02:33] <fwilson> BHXSpecter: this SHOULD work... "sudo apt-get remove libdrm-noveau1a"
[02:34] <BlackBeard> Hello there! Anybody know install ms office 2007 with vba freatures enabled?
[02:34] <fwilson> BHXSpecter: then sudo apt-get remove libdrm-noveau2
[02:35] <BlackBeard> Sorry for my english. I talk from Brazil!!!
[02:35] <fwilson> BlackBeard: In Ubuntu? I would think Wine, if that doesn't work, I would use a virtual machine
[02:37] <ZeroUm> DaemonicApathy:  Thanks, I've reset it successfully with dconf reset and setsid unity. Just couldn't do it before as i had errors running these commands from the system terminal
[02:37] <BlackBeard> fwilson: Yes... The office instaled ok through wine. The problem is VBA!!!
[02:38] <BHXSpecter> fwilson: when I try to install or remove anything I get this every time http://pastebin.com/vWVvQ0HZ
[02:38] <DaemonicApathy> ZeroUm: That can happen when you try to configure an aspect of the GUI from a pure CLI.
[02:38] <cameronc> I'm trying to install TF2 and I don't have enough space. I need to delete useless files if possible. I need the command to do so.
[02:38] <fwilson> BHXSpecter: OH i see now
[02:38] <BHXSpecter> it all came about after doing Steam's recommendation of adding the x-updates for keeping drivers up to date
[02:38] <fwilson> BHXSpecter: sudo apt-get -f remove libgl1-mes-dri libgl1-mesa-dri:i386
[02:40] <cameronc> Please someone help i've been at this for atleast 10 hours with no result.
[02:40] <BlackBeard> Unfortunately my work depends of sheets developeds with codes in VBA. :/
[02:41] <BHXSpecter> I guess I will just have to remove the steam client because those are all needed by steam but have messed up ubuntu so I can't do anything program or upgrade wise
[02:41] <fwilson> *sigh*
[02:42] <BHXSpecter> I typed that and it came up with dependent for Steam and xorg
[02:42] <Huddleston> hey guys
[02:42] <BlackBeard> Well, the way will be developer all again in php.
[02:43] <cameronc> Is there a way to remove programs from the file system without using the apt-get terminal command
[02:43] <fwilson> BHXSpecter: ouch, yeah don't do that. This is really confusing... xorg shouldn't be dependent on a package which can't be installed...
[02:43] <fwilson> cameronc: Yes, but it's a terribly bad idea.
[02:44] <cameronc> fwilson: It's my only option because I can't use the terminal command due to the lack of memory -.-
[02:44] <Huddleston> I've been seeming to have a monitor issue, I have an HP Pavilion g6, core i3, 4gb ram with sandy bridge IntelHD, and my issue is that the laptop monitor does not display but the external monitor does
[02:44] <fwilson> cameronc: So you can't run terminal commands? Can you pastebin an error?
[02:44] <Huddleston> any solutions?
[02:45] <cameronc> fwilson: http://pastebin.com/1jHfyZTn
[02:45] <DaemonicApathy> Huddleston, have you checked the Displays setting in the System Settings, to be be sure the laptop screen is enabled?
[02:45] <Huddleston> DaemonicApathy: yes, multiple times... no dice
[02:46] <DaemonicApathy> Huddleston: does the laptop screen work when the external monitor is detached?
[02:46] <fwilson> cameronc: try sudo dpkg -r firefox
[02:47] <BlackBeard> Anybody viewed the asteroid in Russia? Sensational!!!
[02:47] <BHXSpecter> this all started because I installed the Steam client on ubuntu and added the PPA ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates which said I needed to install a few things and those are the things that have locked up, but now I can't do anything with updates/upgrades *shrugs* don't have a clue how that broke it heh
[02:47] <fwilson> !offtopic | BlackBeard
[02:47] <wiggmpk> cameronc: how did you run out of disk space?
[02:47] <Kuuipo> meteor was cool
[02:47] <BlackBeard> Sensational, but dangerous.
[02:47] <Huddleston> DaemonicApathy: I had it working for a split second by messing with resolutions but then it stopped again
[02:47] <cameronc> wiggmpk: I'm trying to install TF2 which is 12gb and I only allocated 19gb when I loaded linux
[02:47]  * fwilson complains about dependencies along with BHXSpecter
[02:47] <BlackBeard> Bye there
[02:48] <cameronc> fwilson: I'm getting "Dependency problems prevent removal of firefox"
[02:48] <fwilson> cameronc: Pastebin please?
[02:49] <wiggmpk> cameronc: you dont have another disk to use?
[02:49] <ubuntunoob> Hello, anyone here an expert with ubuntu?
[02:49] <BHXSpecter> just frustrating because I tried to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 and still get the lib-mesa-dri and libdrm-nouveau2 so it stops all my updates and the upgrade to 12.10 heh
[02:49] <wiggmpk> ubuntunoob: just ask the question.. if someone knows the answer, they will reply
[02:49] <cameronc> wiggmpk: I wouldn't know how to add another to use
[02:49] <cameronc> fwilson: http://pastebin.com/dPT4TiCi
[02:49] <fwilson> BHXSpecter: heh yeah... i hate dependencies sometimes :)
[02:49] <ubuntunoob> How to dual boot windows with ubuntu?
[02:50] <wiggmpk> cameronc: well your only allowing 7GB for your OS, poor planning really
[02:50] <BHXSpecter> I wonder if I unchecked all links in the update settings if I could update to 12.10 at least?
[02:50] <mrsudoer> Hi, I'm trying to install g++ on a computer that doesn't have internet access. How can I download the .deb along with dependencies to copy/install on that computer?
[02:50] <Huddleston> DaemonicApathy: it seems that it doesn't want to be the primary... I want it on as a primary so when I disconnect the monitor it'll go onto the laptop monitor
[02:51] <fwilson> cameronc: yeah you might not want to do that.
[02:51] <fwilson> mrsudoer: sudo apt-get --download
[02:51] <cameronc> wiggmpk: My bad. Poor planning indeed. But I need a solution that doesn't involve a disk wipe because TF2 took ages to download
[02:51] <mrsudoer> fwilson: the computer that has internet (this one) is running windows only
[02:51] <cameronc> fwilson: I need just a small amount of memory. Is there any command to remove any non-essential files or such
[02:51] <wiggmpk> cameronc: then your going to have to manually remove un-needed or un-used packages..
[02:51] <fwilson> cameronc: sudo rm -r /tmp
[02:52] <cameronc> fwilson: Added 2mb
[02:52] <cameronc> wiggmpk: I'm not sure how to do that, and which ones are needed and which are un-neded
[02:52] <cameronc> needed*
[02:53] <DaemonicApathy> Huddleston: I'm sure you can configure that manually, but I don't know exactly how, offhand.
[02:54] <wiggmpk> cameronc: sorry mate, there is no simple way to do this.. you have to decide what you dont want on the system.. otherwise my recommendation is create a bigger partition for your system
[02:54] <deadmund> How can I get the following permissions on a file?  -rwsr-sr-x  ??
[02:54] <thoonai> im a bit confused ... how do I make my .pem file?
[02:54] <thoonai> OerHeks: ?
[02:55] <thoonai> im sorry
[02:55] <fwilson> wiggmpk: Isn't there a script somewhere to resize your root.disk?
[02:55] <wiggmpk> fwilson: not that im familiar with
[02:55] <deadmund> chmod 6755 ?  makes rwsr-sr-x  ?
[02:56] <BHXSpecter> fwilson: well thanks for trying to help. I'll just give up on it for now as I can't do anything to fix it and Google is not showing anything helpful.
[02:56] <fwilson> BHXSpecter: Yeah, sorry about that. Those dependencies are really weird... haven't seen anything like that
[02:56] <fwilson> wiggmpk: found it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeandDuplicateWubiDisk
[02:56] <ZeroUm> ugh… installing virtualbox guest addons furbared the system...
[02:56] <DaemonicApathy> deadmund: do you mean -rwxr-xr-x?
[02:57] <wiggmpk> fwilson: it copy's, so he would need somewhere to temporarily store it.. my guess is he wont have the disk space to run the script
[02:57] <Huddleston> DaemonicApathy: bleh, thanks anyways though
[02:58] <hyl>  /nick hyl
[02:58] <fwilson> wiggmpk: Sounded like he was using Wubi and only allocated 17GB to root.disk cameronc: how much space do you have for windows?
[02:58] <cameronc> fwilson: Disk space?
[02:58] <DaemonicApathy> deadmund: never mind, 6755 does seem to do what you want.
[02:58] <fwilson> cameronc: Total hard drive space
[02:58] <deadmund> DaemonicApathy: haha, thanks
[02:58] <deadmund> sticky bit ;)
[02:58] <cameronc> fwilson: 410gb
[02:59] <cameronc> fwilson: Well 987gb total, 410gb available
[02:59] <fwilson> cameronc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeandDuplicateWubiDisk might help you
[03:00] <cameronc> fwilson: When I try to download the file for that I get the error "/tmp could not be saved"
[03:02] <fwilson> cameronc: but you aren't trying to download to tmp... silly ubuntu... you are saving it to your Downloads right?
[03:04] <Huddleston> okay so the monitors working but not the backlight, how would one turn that on?
[03:05] <cameronc> fwilson: Yup. I even changed it so it should prompt me where i want it to download to and I have the same error
[03:08] <xtalk> hi, I have a new sony vaio. it has windows 8, i want fedora/ubuntu on it too. But i failed. They said they dont support linux, anyone knows a workaround, thank you
[03:10] <cameronc> fwilson: No matter what file I try to download it gives me that error.
[03:10] <thoonai> I have a question to nginx directory locking
[03:10] <thoonai> how does "^/url" works?
[03:11] <thoonai> is it a wildcard that at every place url appears its forbidden? or does '^' it the root url?
[03:15] <juanc> Does anyone use Rivendell? Still need some help.
[03:16] <Sydus> hi this might sound noobish but i need some assistance, just done a fresh install of ubuntu 12.04   and was just wondering  how can i make   applications  like firefox fullscreen, when i maximize it doesnt fully maximze  because of the launcher to the left.
[03:16] <PoolShark_> Rivendell? Isn't that where the elves live?
[03:17] <Hatz> yes
[03:17] <dijzon> phone os
[03:17] <Hatz> well. the last of the elves
[03:18] <dijzon> so what do ya think about ubuntu phones
[03:19] <_mainMethod> @dijzon They will take over the world within 3 years.
[03:19] <Sydus> hi this might sound noobish but i need some assistance, just done a fresh install of ubuntu 12.04   and was just wondering  how can i make   applications  like firefox fullscreen, when i maximize it doesnt fully maximze  because of the launcher to the left.
[03:20] <Bauer1> hello guys :) I am in the process of installing Ubuntu, I have HDD sda which I want to split: sda1 (100gb old ntfs) - becomes ext4, sda3 (800gb ntfs remains ntfs) and I have more 10GB unused - I thought of making SWAP partition, and EFI partition
[03:20] <_mainMethod> You can set the launcher to auto hide.
[03:20] <Bauer1> but I cant find information which SIZE EFI should be
[03:20] <Bauer1> Also I have currently 8GB ram here, not sure if SWAP is really needed?
[03:22] <Loki_> !pastebin
[03:22] <znx> Bauer1: swap is always needed really
[03:22] <Bauer1> znx, how large for a 8GB RAM system? and how large EFI partition should be?
[03:23] <znx> Bauer1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq   :-)
[03:23] <Deepfriedice> Bauer1: 10GB ?
[03:24] <Bauer1> Deepfriedice, its the free unpartitioned space I have left to allocate to SWAP and EFI
[03:24] <iggy__> Hello
[03:24] <samuel> Hello, I am having problems installing the 64 bit version of U-12.10 on my Dell 1558, the DVD boot but then freeze and the USB flash boot doesn't work. Currently I am using the 32 bit version which seems to work. My Laptop was using Windows 7 64
[03:25] <juanc> Does anyone use Rivendell? Still need some help.
[03:25] <evon> Whenever I'm copying something to a USB it always stars out really fast then slows down to a crawl then takes forever to finish.  Any idea why? Using Ubuntu 12.04 and copying to fat32
[03:26] <znx> evon: on all USB devices?
[03:26] <Deepfriedice> evon: It's probably just going to cache.
[03:26] <evon> znx yes
[03:26] <evon> Deepfriedice, any way to solve it?
[03:26] <Deepfriedice> Not that I know of.
[03:26] <Deepfriedice> Is it a problem?
[03:27] <evon> znx, Deepfriedice  it's pissing me off. right now it's stuck at 733.1 of 733,3
[03:27] <evon> znx, Deepfriedice  hasn't moved in 5 minutes now
[03:27] <Deepfriedice> Wait, I take that back, Thats not going to be cache.
[03:27] <Hatz> Well I give up. "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try installing again."  How do I see what errors were produced?
[03:27] <Bauer1> znx: is the recommended estimation for SWAP linear: eg 1:1 on 8GB as it says for 2GB, or can be less as the amount or RAM increases?
[03:28] <samuel> Any help for my install problems ?
[03:28] <Hatz> samuel can you elaborate on the "usb flash boot doesnt work"?
[03:28] <Deepfriedice> evon: I mean, the cache might be why it appears to go fast, but it sounds like something more serious.
[03:29] <thoonai> my lighttpd wont accept my conf :(
[03:29] <znx> Bauer1: it is really up to you .. how swappy will your machine be etc etc .. i would say that 1:1 for 8Gb is acceptible in my eyes
[03:29] <samuel> Hi Hatz, I made an bootable USB flash drive, but it just doesn't boot directly goes to HD boot. I tried to tweek the boot options or even use other programs to create the bootable USB but doesn;t work
[03:30] <evon> Deepfriedice, So no solutions? I don't have this problem on windows machines
[03:31] <Deepfriedice> evon: I probably can't help, but can you try to find out what speed constitutes "very slow"?
[03:31] <Deepfriedice> That might help someone.
[03:33] <Bauer1> thanks znx :) what should the boot loader device be? sda or sda6 (which is EFI partition)
[03:33] <Bauer1> instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing says sda, but setting it to sda6 sounds like the right thing.. no?
[03:33] <Loki_> when I enter my password at the login screen, the screen dims and goes back to the same login screen, not giving me access to the system. I found that I can make changes to some system files to solve the problem, but as they got bigger and clearer instructions could not solve. Someone could understand and help me?
[03:34] <znx> Bauer1: i generally put the boot loader in the mbr .. ie sda would be my choice
[03:34] <Deepfriedice> Bauer1: I have done that before, and it breaks things!
[03:34] <thoonai> someone using lighttpd?
[03:34] <Hatz> samuel do you have a) BIOS set to boot from portable media first, b) an 4+ GB USB drive formatted to FAT32 c) the .iso you want to install and d) the pendrive linux tool?
[03:34] <znx> thoonai: i have used it before .. not a lot but enough to play around with it
[03:34] <Bauer1> Deepfriedice, do you mean choosing efi parition as boot loader breaks things?
[03:34] <Deepfriedice> Bauer1: use sda, the installer will spot the flag on sda6
[03:35] <Bauer1> thanks :)
[03:35] <thoonai> znx: how did you managed the directory access denials?
[03:35] <evon> Deepfriedice, It's more the fact that it hangs at the end.  It goes from 30mb/s to like 6mb/s then hangs forever at the end
[03:35] <samuel> yes to all questions, the linux tool I used is "startup disk creator", and other 2
[03:35] <Deepfriedice> evon: huh, so it doesn't slow to some consistent speed?
[03:36] <znx> thoonai: look at the mod_access stuff on lighttpd
[03:36] <Hatz> samuel i had some issues last night due to drive size. how big is your USB drive?
[03:36] <znx> http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/1/wiki/Docs_ModAccess
[03:36] <evon> Deepfriedice, by the time it gets to a low speed, it's practically done but then hangs forever
[03:37] <znx> thoonai: its not as simple/nice as htaccess stuff but you know .. "light" :-)
[03:37] <samuel> 4GB rated, really 3,37GB but barely 20 MB was used
[03:37] <Huddleston> okay, so... monitors fixed, Flash installed... But I corrupted Steam so now it can't install from the ubuntu software centre... any tips?
[03:37] <Hatz> hmm. so you wouldnt have problems with the tool failing to format a 64G drive to FAT32.
[03:38] <Hatz> try this tool http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/#button
[03:38] <Loki_> when I enter my password at the login screen, the screen dims and goes back to the same login screen, not giving me access to the system. I found that I can make changes to some system files to solve the problem, but as they got bigger and clearer instructions could not solve. Someone could understand and help me?
[03:38] <thoonai> znx: hes complaining about the owncloud snippets :(
[03:38] <znx> ive never played with owncloud
[03:39] <samuel> thx hatz :)
[03:39] <Hatz> np
[03:39] <thoonai> znx: may you please look for my conf file?
[03:39] <Player1> *Player1 jumps out of plane*
[03:39] <znx> thoonai: sure pastebin it
[03:40] <Huddleston> I seem to get the error "Package dependencies cannot be resolved"
[03:41] <znx> thoonai: im just googling owncloud lighttpd conf .. there is documentation .. have you seen this
[03:41] <znx> http://doc.owncloud.org/server/4.5/admin_manual/installation.html#lighttpd-configuration
[03:42] <thoonai> znx: sure but its complaining about though :(
[03:42] <thoonai> z
[03:42] <thoonai> znx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1661099/
[03:43] <znx> thoonai: whats the complaint?
[03:43] <znx> and what version of lighttpd are you running ..
[03:44] <thoonai> znx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1661108/
[03:44] <thoonai> znx: 1.4.28
[03:45] <katy> hi, i just installed ubuntu 12.04 on my macbook and i am having trouble getting the headphones to work (they work on OSX). when the headphones are plugged in the speakers still play, but no sound comes out of the headphones. if someone can help i'd really appreciate it!
[03:46] <Loki_> when I enter my password at the login screen, the screen dims and goes back to the same login screen, not giving me access to the system. I found that I can make changes to some system files to solve the problem, but as they got bigger and clearer instructions could not solve. Someone could understand and help me?
[03:46] <Huddleston> I broke steam guys :c
[03:46] <thoonai> znx: any idea?
[03:47] <Deepfriedice> katy: I hate to be "That Guy", but open up pulse audio controller and check that they aren't disabled or something.
[03:49] <Oblivion1500> hello im having a little bit of trouble installing ubuntu server, its old hardware but whatever, i get to a point in the installation where it says there was a problem reading data from the cd rom, and im installing via the usb.. anyone know what may cause this problem or if it is even a problem?
[03:49] <znx> thoonai: ok so it doesnt like =^ .. you could just use == as the regex had a ^ prefix match anyway
[03:49] <znx> i thought that =^ was valid for 1.4x .. but maybe its a v2 thing only?
[03:50] <thoonai> my znx whats '^' doing ?
[03:50] <znx> thoonai: =^ means "match prefix"
[03:51] <znx> thoonai: oh wait .. i meant use =~
[03:51] <znx> ffs .. my brain ;-)
[03:51] <znx> =~ means do a regex match
[03:51] <Oblivion1500> it says load installer components from cd, can i change that to usb somehow?
[03:51] <znx> so basically it will do the same thing as =^ as long as the ^ is present in the regex
[03:52] <znx> thoonai: basically .. =~ /^regex/  is the same as =^ /regex/
[03:52] <datruth> how can I get an IPv4/IPv6 firewall for ubuntu 12.04?
[03:52] <samuel> Hatz it didnt5 work, "unable to copy syslinus", tried and failed
[03:52] <Hatz> did you run as administrator?
[03:52] <samuel> I am in linux
[03:53] <Hatz> oh
[03:53] <samuel> u 12.10 32, I want 64
[03:53] <thoonai> znx: so if ot matches some *someurl*/owncloud/data its denies access and listing?
[03:53] <Loki_> when I enter my password at the login screen, the screen dims and goes back to the same login screen, not giving me access to the system. I found that I can make changes to some system files to solve the problem, but as they got bigger and clearer instructions could not solve. Someone could understand and help me?
[03:53] <SolarisBoy> datruth: ufw/iptables should be installed by default i believe - you just need to configure and enable it
[03:54] <baggy> Hi, I'm having problems updating Chrome's Java plugin to 1.7.0_13. It keeps crashing when trying to use Java-based content and saying it "Can't load the plugin." I am on Ubuntu 12.04. I use OpenJDK from USC, which appears to be the latest implementation. How can I get Chrome to use it?
[03:54] <Bauer1> Guys,  I just rebooted after install and get error "This is not a bootable disk. Please insert a bootable foppy..."
[03:54] <katy> Deepfriedrice, I've already tried that. theyre not muted
[03:54] <datruth> SolarisBoy: how can I harden the system? such as locking it down abit?
[03:54] <SolarisBoy> datruth: try 'sudo ufw status'
[03:54] <Hatz> hmm. cant say i can help you then samuel. getting the USB drive working is the farthest i have gotten on my physical install.
[03:54] <SolarisBoy> datruth: use a policy with default of DENY ;>
[03:54] <znx> thoonai: yes =~ will work .. you can prove it when it runs of course :-)
[03:54] <Hatz> my VM works more or less.
[03:54] <escott> Loki_, im not sure why the screen would dim, but being logged out is often because your ~/.Xauthority file is root owned
[03:54] <thoonai> znx: i must
[03:55] <thoonai> znx: no interest in having pics of my broken pinky toe onthenet :P
[03:55] <znx> heh
[03:55] <Bauer1> Znx,  any idea why the boot configuration we made is not booting?
[03:55] <znx> thoonai: strangely you have just triggered my fetish .. I NEED THOSE PICS
[03:55] <SolarisBoy> datruth: the base install of ubuntu is pretty secure - when you enable the firewall - nothing will be able to get in unless you allow it - so i guess simply enable your fw for starters if security is the concern - you should take note of what allowances you need to make so you don't lock your self out etc etc - (ssh, vnc ports if needed)
[03:56] <thoonai> znx: the hell no
[03:56] <baggy> Woop, nevermind. Got it.
[03:56] <znx> Bauer1: um .. we made a boot config?! .. you mean the install of the boot loader to sda ?
[03:56] <znx> what error is it saying?
[03:56] <SolarisBoy> datruth: unless your concerned with outbound traffic which in most cases people aren't - thats about it - let me know if you need something more specific
[03:56] <Loki_> escott, any device about how fix that problem??
[03:57] <Bauer1> Znx yes, and sda6 as efi partition
[03:57] <znx> error is?
[03:57] <datruth> SolarisBoy: I'd like to stop users from seeing each others procs
[03:57] <Bauer1> Znx: "This is not a bootable disk. Please insert a bootable foppy..."
[03:57] <ruslan_osmanov> Hi. How do I install this package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libevent ?
[03:58] <SolarisBoy> datruth: a firewall isn't going to help with something like that - what do you mean see procs - like in ps output and such?
[03:58] <dr_willis> !find libevent
[03:58] <SolarisBoy> if so - i don't see why you would want that
[03:58] <znx> Bauer1: urg .. i havent used efi partitions before .. i can only suggest going back in with system rescue and switching the boot loader to sda6 to see if its any better
[03:59] <SolarisBoy> depending on the arguments ps is given is can show the users processes or it can list all processes on the system - those values are read only by anyone under /proc/ -
[03:59] <SolarisBoy> *it
[03:59] <datruth> SolarisBoy: for example ps auxw would show everything running on the system how does one stop this?
[03:59] <SolarisBoy> one doesn't
[03:59] <datruth> why?
[03:59] <escott> Loki_, sudo chown username:username ~/.Xauthority
[03:59] <SolarisBoy> well - you could - if you ran chroots
[04:00] <datruth> there is not a sysctl that would solve this?
[04:00] <SolarisBoy> datruth: possibly research it
[04:00] <thoonai> someone any idea how to mount google webspace as a block device?
[04:00] <katy> anyone have any suggestions on how to get headphones to work on macbook running ubuntu 12.04? speakers keep working after headphones plugged in even tho headphones are enabled in audio settings
[04:00] <Loki_> escott, will work with common user?
[04:00] <SolarisBoy> datruth: again - those values are ro by anyone - so i dont see how/why it would by a security issue - if it is there is a thing called sandboxing that you would be interested in
[04:00] <huddleston> So I can't install Steam x64 from ubuntu software centre, any ideas?
[04:00] <escott> Loki_, common user?
[04:00] <dr_willis> thoonai:  check oiut the various fuse filesystem tools. there might be one for it... theres one for about everything else in existance. ;)
[04:01] <SolarisBoy> datruth: you can sandbox users with chroot
[04:01] <thoonai> dr_willis: ok
[04:01] <Loki_> escott, another user?
[04:01] <supernoob> Is there any ubuntu experts out there who might be able to give me a little advice on my first linux/Ubuntu build I am working on ?  Mostly questions about what would be optimal setup - desktop vs server? Got all the parts just a question of which version would be best.
[04:01] <ruslan_osmanov> dr_willis, thanks. I even have it installed :-/ Weird, just before the last reboot apt-cache search libevent shown libevent-1.4 entries only
[04:01] <datruth> SolarisBoy: is there documentation on how to do this?
[04:01] <dr_willis> huddleston:  yesterday people were getting the steam_latest.deb from their web site. and doing a 'sudo gdebi steam_latest.deb'
[04:01] <SolarisBoy> datruth: tons
[04:01] <escott> Loki_, it would be sudo chown username:username /home/username/.Xauthority
[04:02] <thoonai> dr_willis: any hint?
[04:02] <huddleston> dr_willis: It says command not found...
[04:02]  * dr_willis still hasent figured out how people get their .Xauthority messed up
[04:02] <dr_willis> huddleston:  so install gdebi then. ;)
[04:02] <dr_willis> gdebi pulls in any needed depsendencies.. dpkg -i foo.deb often wont.
[04:03] <huddleston> dr_willis: how would one do that?
[04:03] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install packagename   or use the sofgtare center
[04:04] <dr_willis> actually if you typed 'gdebi' it should give the command to install it.. if its not installed....
[04:04] <dr_willis> !info gdebi
[04:04] <Bauer1> Znx: how to modify the boot partition from livecd after installation? Deepfriedice specifically said it won't work this way
[04:04] <supernoob> !info mdadm
[04:05] <huddleston> dr_willis: now where do I put Steam_latest.deb so it'll find it?
[04:06] <dr_willis> huddleston:  anywhere you just have to be in the same directory when you do that command
[04:06] <dr_willis> or give the full path to the file
[04:06] <Loki_> escott, user is not in the sudoers file. --
[04:06] <huddleston> dr_willis: says file not found :c
[04:07] <dr_willis> huddleston:  anywhere you just have to be in the same directory <<<<<<<   when you do that command
[04:07] <dr_willis> so cd to where the file is at.
[04:07] <supernoob> For a linux media server is it going to be better to use the actual server (no GUI) over the desktop edition ? It's going to be headless and I'd like to maximize performance. Or does it not really matter?
[04:07] <huddleston> dr_willis: I've never used ubuntu before so i'm not a genious here
[04:07] <dr_willis> or     use  sudo gdebi  /home/billgates/Downloads/whatever/path/it/is/Steam_latest.deb
[04:08] <dr_willis> use the ls command to LOOK and see what files are  where your shell is cd'd to...
[04:08] <dr_willis> you need to cd TO where that file is saved to.. or use the full path
[04:08] <dr_willis> or in a terminal   type 'sudo gdebi '   then drag/drop the file into the terminal. ;) that may work
[04:09] <Bauer1> Znx,  damn I see the problem... It created efi partition under /dev/sda2 as /dev/sda6 and it already has boot flag
[04:09] <dr_willis> it should put in the path to the file
[04:09] <Bauer1> So what I do now?
[04:09] <huddleston> dr_willis: sadly it's the wrong architechure
[04:10] <dr_willis> huddleston:  Hmm..  the #ubuntu-steam channel may know what to do to fix that.
[04:10] <dr_willis> !steam
[04:12] <Quanten> hey again all
[04:12] <Quanten> i'm trying to install ubuntu
[04:12] <huddleston> dr_willis: because when I use the ubuntu software cnetre and select install I get: "Package dependencies cannot be resolved" and details: "steam64: Depends: steam (= 1.0.0.27ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed"
[04:13] <Bauer1> Znx: moving the boot flag to sda gives me the missing operating system error at boot...
[04:13] <escott> Loki_, login to the console ctrl-alt-f1 and then get back to the gui ctrl-alt-f7
[04:13] <Quanten> and when i cilck erase everything and install, it hangs and then shortyl after displays this message: "the ext4 file system creation in partition #1 (0,0,0)(sda) failed"
[04:13] <Quanten> i've tried restarting the live cd, but nothing has worked
[04:13] <dr_willis> Quanten:  this was the HD that was failing under windows?
[04:13] <Quanten> yup
[04:13] <Quanten> i have removed the windows part though
[04:14] <dr_willis> sounds to me like its a dead/dieing hd issue
[04:14] <dr_willis> which is sadly rather common.
[04:14] <znx> Bauer1: im sorry but i really dont know efi stuff .. im sort of at a loss with it :-\
[04:14] <Quanten> gah
[04:14] <Quanten> it just appeared too
[04:15] <dr_willis> you could try making partions by hand with gparted.  try to make several and  you may be able to get some made it can install to.. but i wouldent trust that HD very much
[04:15] <dr_willis> you could also try gparted to zero/wipe the hd. it might kick it in the head enough to get it going
[04:15] <Loki_> escott, only this will be necessary?
[04:15] <Quanten>  i have no idea how to do that sorry ;/
[04:15] <Bauer1> :-( Deepfriedice around? Or anyone with efi experience?
[04:15] <dr_willis> run gparted.. use its features
[04:15] <escott> Loki_, this?
[04:16] <dr_willis> but if the HD is failing/failed - this may  be why you had gparted issues to begin with
[04:16] <escott> Bauer1, ask the question
[04:16] <Loki_> escott, ok got it. Thank you!
[04:17] <Bauer1> Eacot: after install and get error "This is not a bootable disk. Please insert a bootable foppy..."
[04:17] <Bauer1> Escott
[04:18] <supernoob> are you running uefi ?
[04:18] <Bauer1> Supernoob I believe so because motherboard is uefi
[04:19] <supernoob> try turning it off in bios ? I sent myself an email reminder to do that b/c I had heard about people having trouble booting
[04:20] <Brut2> afd
[04:20] <Bauer1> Supernoob, the mobo is Asus m5a97 r2, but I was not able to find any setting for this in the bios or the manual... Which is weird
[04:20] <supernoob> I have no idea if this will actually fix your problem or not, just something that popped into my head after reading about how the linux foundation just released some kind of software to make things work with uefi
[04:20] <supernoob> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/11/linux_foundation_uefi_workaround/
[04:21] <escott> supernoob, ubuntu grub fully support secure boot.
[04:22] <supernoob> well, listen to escott... as you can tell from my name I am very new :) have only used linux on a VM so far...
[04:22] <Marscr> hola alguien puede ayudarme?
[04:22] <Deepfriedice> Bauer1: did you set the grub flag on sda6?
[04:22] <Bauer1> Well this is custom made box so no secure boot issues
[04:23] <Bauer1> Deepfriedice : not initially I left it as you suggested to sda and got the mentioned error
[04:24] <Deepfriedice> Bauer1: No, you need to use Gparted to set the grub(I think) flag on sda6
[04:24] <Deepfriedice> Bauer1: THEN you isntall the bootloader to sda
[04:25] <Bauer1> Deepfriedice : it was actually set to this when I booted back from usb key
[04:25] <escott> Deepfriedice, Bauer1 grub_bios is for bios boots of gpt partitioned disks
[04:25] <evon> Deepfriedice, no it doesn't slow to a consistent speed.  it just slows to a complete halt
[04:26] <Deepfriedice> escott: DUH, sorry. My experience was with grub_bios
[04:26] <Deepfriedice> evon: I have no idea. Try usb on a live cd from a different distro?
[04:27] <Bauer1> Deepfriedice, escott:  right now boot flag is back to sda6, and I still get that error.
[04:28] <escott> Bauer1, it would help to have some kind of recap of what you have done and what you know of your configuration
[04:28] <tomas_> asd
[04:28] <tomas_> hello
[04:29] <Bauer1> Escott,  a screen shot of my partitions from gparted would help?
[04:29] <escott> Bauer1, sudo parted -l is easier to read
[04:30] <decci> I am trying to run Hadoop over Lustre rather than HDFS
[04:30] <decci>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1661235/
[04:31] <decci> Need few clarification on the setup
[04:35] <Fernest> I have the GMA 3150 graphics card in my netbook. Is there a simple way to install the driver for 12.10?
[04:35] <Fernest> After some search I landed here: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2012/2012q4-intel-graphics-stack-release but I don't even know what/how/why I install those packages
[04:37] <Bauer2> escott, the output is: http://codepad.org/E7uKWucm
[04:38] <Bauer2> what do you think?
[04:38] <Quanten> dr_willis, sorry for the delay, i had to do something. i don't know how to make partitions by hand with gparted
[04:39] <dr_willis> Quanten: right click... new partotion.....  i think
[04:39] <escott> Bauer1, what version of windows is installed?
[04:40] <dr_willis> or in the menus.. new partition
[04:40] <Bauer2> escott, there used to be windows7 in sda1 (the 105GB ext4 now)
[04:40] <Bauer2> escott, the 885GB partition is media like movies etc, so I left it as ntfs
[04:40] <escott> Bauer1, then it sounds like you are doing a normal bios boot. i dont know why you are bringing up uefi
[04:41] <escott> Bauer1, also you should not have an NTFS partition unless you have easy access to windows to repair it
[04:41] <Bauer2> escott, what makes you think so? sda6 I've set up as efi partition
[04:43] <escott> Bauer1, no you haven't and its not a gpt disk
[04:44] <histo> ewww ntfs
[04:44] <Bauer2> escott, what do you mean a gpt disk? I dont understand why its not efi? I've selected as suggested sda as boot loader, created sda6 as efi using the ubuntu installer
[04:44] <k1lumin4t1> I'm having an issue with a HP PROLIANT ML370 server using Linux, specifically Ubuntu
[04:44] <histo> !uefi | Bauer2
[04:44] <k1lumin4t1>  The server runs fine with Ubuntu 6, 8 and 9
[04:45] <Bauer2> perhaps the motherboard (Asus M5A97) doesnt support UEFI boot despite it is a UEFI mobo?
[04:45] <histo> !details | k1lumin4t1
[04:45] <k1lumin4t1>  but when I do an upgrade to 10 or 12 it fails to load the root filesystem and starts busybox up
[04:45] <histo> k1lumin4t1: Any errors?
[04:45] <escott> Bauer1, its pretty clear you don't know the first thing about uefi. why are you messing with efi when your system is and was clearly configured to boot in bios mode
[04:46] <k1lumin4t1> histo, the server fails to load the root filesystem using Ubuntu 12, specifically after taking the power cord out
[04:46] <histo> k1lumin4t1: Can you mount the root filesystem?  Perhaps it needs checked.
[04:47] <Bauer2> histo, I actually followed this one to the letter: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[04:47] <k1lumin4t1> histo,  it's a fresh install
[04:47] <Bauer2> err - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Creating_an_EFI_partition
[04:47] <k1lumin4t1> histo, under Ubuntu 6 or 8 works, also doing a fresh install
[04:47] <histo> Bauer2: But if your firmware is set to auto mode then you are probably booting in some compatibility mode.
[04:48] <histo> k1lumin4t1: How are you formatting /?
[04:48] <k1lumin4t1> histo, using LVM, taking boot out
[04:48] <k1lumin4t1> histo, root + var + usr + tmp + home + swap inside the LVM and boot outside
[04:48] <k1lumin4t1> histo, it's a ultrascsi array with two scsi disks
[04:49] <histo> k1lumin4t1: Okay can you mount / or /var or any of the others from busybox?
[04:49] <Bauer2> histo, hmm it does say this: "ther: must be located at the start of a GPT disk, and must have a "boot" flag. " I am not sure my sda6 is set to /boot/efi, and that it is in start of GPT disk, is my disk GPT at all? escott says that it is not - how can I make it GPT disk?
[04:49] <k1lumin4t1> histo, I'll try that... but why is it that ubuntu 6 or 8 work fine?
[04:49] <histo> Bauer2: Repartitioning.
[04:49] <Bauer2> also another problem is that I dont see any switch in the BIOS to set whether it is UEFI or normal boot device...
[04:49] <escott> Bauer2, you had a car that was running fine on gasoline, but you heard about cars running on natural gas and despite knowing absolutely nothing about engines you started converting your car engine to run on natural gas
[04:49] <histo> Bauer2: But again why not just use bios mode.
[04:49] <Fernest> can anyone help me to install a GPU driver (GMA 3150)?
[04:49] <DWSR> What's the factoid for recovering GRUB after a Windows install?
[04:50] <escott> !grub | DWSR
[04:50] <DWSR> much obliged
[04:50] <histo> k1lumin4t1: Who know untill you troubleshoot and figure it out. Are you reformatting the drive when you install?
[04:50] <k1lumin4t1> histo, yes, completely fresh installs on both sides (8 or 12)
[04:51] <Bauer2> lol escott  :) very nice analogy.. but I did follow the guide to the letter :)
[04:51] <histo> k1lumin4t1: And recreating the VG?
[04:51] <znx> i just upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 .. and my desktop has loaded (i can see an icon there) but the top and side bar are not present
[04:51] <k1lumin4t1> histo, hmmm the old-version install wasn't with LVM
[04:51] <znx> eep
[04:51] <k1lumin4t1> histo, I used LVM with 12
[04:51] <Bauer2> histo, repartitioning manualy? or just using the installer again, this time not making EFI partition at all
[04:52] <escott> Bauer2, start with www.rodsbooks.com its probably ~50pages
[04:52] <histo> k1lumin4t1: Okay then most likely an issue with the way you setup LVM.
[04:52] <histo> Bauer2: IS there a reason you want to use UEFI?
[04:52] <k1lumin4t1> histo, but why is it that the LVM gets built up fine?
[04:53] <znx> help .. what can i do to fix :-)
[04:53] <histo> k1lumin4t1: It's obviously not built fine if you cant mount it.
[04:53] <Bauer2> histo, no real reason that I can say.. just that they "say" it is faster booting, and that my new motherboard is uefi so I thought it would be best
[04:53] <histo> k1lumin4t1: Try not using LVM installing 12.04 and see if it will boot with just a regular partition.  Then you will know if that's the issue.
[04:54] <escott> Bauer2, its probably worse
[04:54] <k1lumin4t1> histo, Ok, I will, but the thing is two of my coworkers already did that
[04:54] <k1lumin4t1> histo, let me explain it
[04:54] <k1lumin4t1> histo, they had the server installed with Ubuntu 8 with no LVM
[04:55] <Bauer2> ok escott so I re-install, and this time without efi partition? hopefully it works this time...
[04:55] <k1lumin4t1> histo, then they, through a series of upgrades, got it to 12, and voilá
[04:55] <k1lumin4t1> histo, boot failure
[04:56] <GeorgeTirebiter> Someone suggested to me, last night, that I would like Mint.
[04:56] <GeorgeTirebiter> Whoever that was was correct. It's awesome!
[04:56] <GeorgeTirebiter> especially compared to ubuntu
[04:57] <GeorgeTirebiter> Do any of you know if there's a mint channel?
[04:57] <histo> k1lumin4t1: I would start fresh coming into that situation. Or atleast try to mount whatever parition/LV they created either from busybox or via a live CD/USB to verify that it's created properly
[04:57] <histo> k1lumin4t1: Then you can start eliminating things as being the issue.
[04:57] <histo> !mint | GeorgeTirebiter
[04:58] <k1lumin4t1> histo, ok
[04:58] <histo> GeorgeTirebiter: btw you can install cinnamon in ubuntu
[04:58] <GeorgeTirebiter> thanx\
[05:00] <znx> ive lost my unity desktop .. what can i do to resolve this?
[05:00] <k1lumin4t1> znx, you've lost unity?
[05:01] <histo> znx: Start a search party.... Perhaps you can explain a little more what "lost" means
[05:02] <znx> histo: no top and side bars
[05:02] <znx> i just upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10
[05:03] <znx> and the res is really low 800x600
[05:03] <histo> znx: Okay then you didn't lose unity you just need to fix your resolution.
[05:03] <znx> but where are the bars?
[05:03] <histo> znx: Off the screen
[05:03] <znx> um
[05:03] <Hatz> So. I have a fresh out of the box SSD into my old PC. I have my USB drive with the ubuntu boot on it. Why does it keep saying installation failed before i even get to a prompt for anything?
[05:04] <histo> znx: What type of video card do you have
[05:04] <znx> nvidia of some sort i forget at this moment
[05:04] <halfie> hi, which font is used by gnome-terminal as default one?
[05:04] <histo> !md5sum | Hatz
[05:04] <[db]_Gary_Cant> Would anyone happen to know how I would go about installing Ubuntu and running it alongside Windows?
[05:04] <Bauer2> escott, btw why did you recommend not having ntfs unless I have easy access to windows to repair it? what is my alternative? I dont want to loose the 800gb data on it just to convert format...
[05:04] <histo> halfie: in ubuntu? it's the ubuntu font
[05:05] <halfie> histo: is ubuntu font a monospace font?
[05:05] <evon> [db]_Gary_Cant, as long as you install windows first, when you install ubuntu, it will automatically make it so you can dual boot
[05:05] <histo> halfie: I have no idea
[05:06] <evon> [db]_Gary_Cant, Ubuntu's installation instructions are really strait forward
[05:06] <[db]_Gary_Cant> Ah, alrighty then
[05:06] <znx> histo: i just opened a terminal ..it has no window borders ..
[05:06] <znx> xrandr only shows 800x600
[05:06] <histo> Bauer2: You are kind of stuck with ntfs then unless you can move the data elsewhere. But 800GB of data with no backup isn't very safe no is it.
[05:06] <znx> so im pretty sure unity is buggered
[05:06] <histo> znx: What video card do you have?
[05:06] <escott> Bauer2, move the data to a partition type that can be repaired
[05:07] <Bauer2> I do have a laptop with windows 8.. will it allow me to repair it somehow if needed?
[05:07] <znx> geforce 630i or compatible
[05:07] <histo> Bauer2: You can fix ntfs with linux but I don't trust it.
[05:08] <evon> znx, i had a lot of probs with unity and my nvidia cards too. didn't start working till i install 12.04 instead of 12.10
[05:08] <Bauer2> histo, is this parititoning good? I would like to have an OK this time before proceeding :) http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/partitionsw.png/
[05:09] <znx> evon: oh dont say that i just bloody well upgraded it .. :(((
[05:09] <Hatz> histo md5 is good
[05:09] <znx> sigh
[05:09] <znx> do i really have to reinstall ubuntu again
[05:09] <znx> this if f'in maddness
[05:10] <evon> znx. not saying there isn't a solution. i'm just saying that it pissed me off so much i felt i had to downgrade
[05:10] <halfie> histo: no problem, and what colors are being used in ubuntu's gnome-terminal, any ideas?
[05:10] <znx> evon: i have been attempting to get ubuntu 12.10 for 2 days now ..
[05:10] <evon> znx. but even then it didn't work properly at first
[05:10] <znx> its a pain in the ring
[05:10] <escott> Bauer1, if you yank the disk put it in an external enclosure and attach that to the laptop
[05:10] <evon> znx. i decided it wasn't worth the pain.  I'm waiting for 13 and hoping for the best
[05:11] <znx> i cant believe how bad the installer was for 12.10 that it didnt tell me anything when it simply hung
[05:11] <znx> 12.04 installed but only after me manually fiddling the disks
[05:11] <znx> and now the upgrade works but butchers my system
[05:11] <Bauer2> escott, I think that should work using external sata :) what do you think of my partitioning this time? good to go ahead?
[05:11] <znx> cant believe this
[05:11] <znx> i swear ubuntu doesnt want me to use it
[05:12] <znx> evon: i want 12.10 because it has the latest nvidia drivers .. which will allow me to play steam games
[05:12] <dr_willis> you could beta test out 13 now and report any issues you are having.. that may get them fixed.
[05:12] <znx> dr_willis: you mean me?
[05:12] <dr_willis> If you are waiting for 13, and want to help - yes you. ;)
[05:13] <znx> dr_willis: well no im not waiting for 13 .. and no i dont really want to help
[05:13] <dr_willis> im about to insgtall 13.04 this weekend when i get time.
[05:13] <histo> Bauer2: swap looks rather large to me. But it all depends on what you need/want.
[05:13] <znx> id much prefer to have a working system .. not a pooched system
[05:13] <evon> znx i pray for the best man. I'm too scared to try it again. took me a while to get this damn thing to work the way i want it to
[05:13] <znx> sigh
[05:13] <dr_willis> *burp*
[05:13] <Bauer2> histo, well I got 8GB ram, will probably increase it more, otherwise any other suggestions before I click Install?
[05:14] <escott> histo, but there is nothing else useful he can do with that chunk
[05:14] <znx> the disappointing thing for me is ive been using fedora since v13 and upgraded it all the way to f18 .. and never had anything bumpy at all
[05:14] <znx> this is my first attempt at ubuntu .. and its really disappointing me
[05:14] <znx> grumble grumble
[05:14] <Bauer2> znx: well, sometimes she is playing it hard to get, but is definitely worth it imo :)
[05:14] <znx> so i guess i will go back and install 12.04 again .. and see if i can do something else to get the nvidia drivers on it instead of 12.10
[05:15] <evon> znx, sorry man.  Ubuntu is a great OS but this kind of crap happens every so often.
[05:15] <znx> Bauer2: i have a funny feeling that i will finally install steam .. see that its no good and blank this system going back to fedora with the nasty wine hack for steam
[05:16] <evon> znx, Linux Mint might be worth a shot lol ;-)
[05:16] <znx> evon: i guess i just expected the install to you know .. install .. or at least bitch at me about why it wasnt installing
[05:16] <znx> no i will be going back to fedora
[05:16] <znx> that is if steam isnt better under ubuntu
[05:17] <evon> znx.  Good luck brother man. I'm gone to bed
[05:17] <znx> later
[05:17] <znx> thanks for listening to me moan
[05:18] <Bauer2> znx, irc is best place to find free psychologists :P
[05:19] <Bauer2> I am disappointed with my new case here.. Nanoxia - its perfect in every way.. except it does not have HDD LED!
[05:19] <Bauer2> I missed that at the store
[05:19] <Bauer2> now I cant tell when the hdd is reading/writing
[05:21] <wynn> I have tried to install several verisions of ubuntu on an old PC but everytime screen starts to roll.  any ideas?
[05:22] <logavanc> Screen starts to roll?
[05:22] <SolarisBoy> sounds cool
[05:22] <wynn> the logo rolls from top to bottom
[05:23] <wynn> like a old tv would if its horzontal sync was bad
[05:24] <logavanc> Only thing I can think of regarding video is setting the 'nomodeset' flag on boot, or 'xforcevesa' maybe.
[05:24] <Hatz> HAH. FINALLY. My intallation is working.
[05:24] <wynn> im new to linux   how would i do that
[05:26] <logavanc> On boot, hold the SHIFT key to drop you into the GRUB menu, then hit 'e' to edit the default entry. On the line with 'quiet' add the word 'nomodeset' then press F10 to boot.  It isn't a permanent change, and shouldn't mess anything up.
[05:26] <znx> Bauer2: haha tis horribly true :P
[05:26] <wynn> okay ill try that   thank you very much
[05:26] <logavanc> Oh...
[05:27] <logavanc> Is this with the live cd?
[05:27] <logavanc> (Instructions would differ if this issue was present when booting the livecd)
[05:28] <wynn> yes i'm booting from a iso cd  not really sure if its a live cd
[05:28] <logavanc> Ahhh... well then. Forget everything I just said.
[05:28] <logavanc> =)
[05:28] <wynn> lol
[05:28] <wynn> forgotten
[05:29] <logavanc> The live CD can set the same options, the way to do it is actually easier though.
[05:29] <logavanc> At some point in the live-cd boot, the screen will turn purple and there will be a little picture of a keyboard on the bottom of the screen, if you hit any key at that point, it will bring up a language selection menu.
[05:30] <logavanc> I select english, but whatever.
[05:30] <Quanten> hey guys, i'm getting a "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) at / failed." error when i try to install ubuntu
[05:30] <halfie> Ubuntu seems to be using "Monospace 10" as the default terminal font. Correct?
[05:31] <logavanc> Then there will be a cool boot menu displayed where you can hit F6 to bring up additional boot options.  You can just select 'nomodeset' or 'xforcevesa' right there.
[05:31] <wynn> ok
[05:31] <wynn> thanks
[05:31] <logavanc> Try it out, you never know. It might work.
[05:32] <wynn> i should of swallowed my pride and came on here and asked a week ago
[05:32] <Quanten> hey guys, i'm getting a "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) at / failed." error when i try to install ubuntu
[05:32] <histo> halfie: It uses the ubuntu font
[05:33] <histo> halfie: notice the n's
[05:34] <Quanten> anyone?
[05:35] <logavanc> Quanten, is this error showing up when you attempt to boot the live cd?
[05:35] <Quanten> nope. it's showing up when i click delete everything and install
[05:36] <logavanc> Hmmm...
[05:38] <Bauer1> halfie: damn,  different error each time! After installing with the partitions as you saw,  I got the unhelpful error "Operating system load error",  If I disable dvd as first boot device, I get "Multiple active partitions"
[05:38] <logavanc> What a pretty font... I love Ubuntu Monospace.
[05:38] <Quanten>  no one knows? ;/
[05:38] <brightknight> DS9
[05:39] <kyle___> I doughnut suppose anyone hanging out in ubuntu has a 3d printer they use from it?  And could give some tips on getting repetier to fscking work.
[05:39] <logavanc> Quanten, I would say try to mount the FS without using the installer and see if that works (from the live cd).
[05:39] <wynn> logavanc    thanks that seems to have fixed it
[05:39] <Quanten> logavanc, idk how to do that ;/
[05:39] <Quanten> i'm a newb, i don't even know what FS is
[05:39] <Bauer1> Quanten look at dmesg for errors
[05:39] <kyle___> Quanten: File system
[05:39] <Quanten> wat
[05:39] <Quanten> how would i moutn the file system?
[05:39] <logavanc> Boot live CD.
[05:39] <CavalierPrime> Bauer1 d/l bootrepair live cd and use
[05:39] <logavanc> Select 'Try it"
[05:40] <Quanten> yes, that works
[05:40] <logavanc> Open nautilus.
[05:40] <Quanten> ok
[05:40] <logavanc> Find drive on the left and click it.
[05:40] <Quanten> k
[05:41] <logavanc> I am assuming that it has a file system of course.
[05:41] <Bauer1> CavalierPrime can I burn it using the ubuntu live cd?
[05:41] <Quanten> what do you mean?
[05:42] <dr_willis> if the installer failed to format the drive. then it wont be accessable.
[05:42] <Quanten> guh ;_; that sounds bad
[05:42] <Quanten> i mean it worked before
[05:42] <Quanten> but then another error happened
[05:43] <Quanten> is there any possible way to fix the error in the ext4 file system
[05:43] <dr_willis> you said the hd was having issues earlier.  hds can die with little warning
[05:43] <Quanten> in partition 1
[05:43] <Quanten> i know. but is there any other possible solutions?
[05:43] <Quanten> *are there
[05:43] <dr_willis> try partitioning and formating it by hand
[05:43] <Guest59330> hello
[05:43] <logavanc> Fire up GParted.
[05:43] <Guest59330> logavanc
[05:44] <Quanten> alright
[05:44] <logavanc> (Disclaimer: You can f*ck stuff up with GParted.)
[05:44] <dr_willis> if its dead... it may be  very dead. or just sort of dead. ;-)
[05:44] <Quanten> it's fine there is nothing on this computer
[05:44] <logavanc> God I hate mostly dead hard drives.
[05:44] <Guest59330> are you sure there is nothing
[05:44] <Quanten> yup
[05:44] <logavanc> Guest59330, yes?
[05:44] <Quanten> i deleted everything
[05:44] <dr_willis> nothing on the pc.. you can play with gparted and parted and fdisk all you  want.  ;-)
[05:45] <Guest59330> cool
[05:45] <Guest59330> i have a good mission for us to do
[05:45] <Quanten> i'm willing to try anything to install ubuntu
[05:45] <Bauer1> CavalierPrime: is boot repair not included in the ubuntu live cd somewhere already?
[05:45] <Quanten> okay so on /dev/sda1 i have a 462 gig unknown fs
[05:46] <Quanten> on /dev/sda2
[05:46] <Quanten> i have a 3.85 g extended fs
[05:46] <Quanten> and within /dev/sda2 i have a /dev/sda5/ linux swap also 3.85 gigs
[05:46] <Quanten> and then finally 1 MiB of unallocated fs
[05:46] <Quanten> if that helps
[05:46] <logavanc> So, pretty typical drive setup when installing Ubuntu.
[05:47] <Guest59330> so any want to help attack a place
[05:47] <logavanc> Select the big one (sda1), right click and tell it to format to ext4
[05:47] <Guest59330> lol
[05:47] <logavanc> Then click apply (realize that this will wipe everything on the partition)
[05:47] <Guest26607> how to retrive the passward
[05:48] <Quanten> when i click apply an error occured
[05:48] <Quanten> it fails when 'create new ext4 file system"
[05:48] <logavanc> Yeah, figured. That is not a good sign dude... =)
[05:49] <Quanten> :(
[05:49] <Quanten> i mean, it was just working before
[05:49] <Quanten> idk why
[05:49] <Quanten> it stopped now
[05:49] <Quanten> any other possible work arounds
[05:49] <Quanten> ?
[05:49] <FloodBot1> Quanten: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:49] <logavanc> Hate to say get a new HDD, but...
[05:50] <dr_willis> you could try to zero the hd with the dd command..  but i bet its a dead hd.
[05:50] <histo> Guest26607: retrieve password for what?
[05:50] <Quanten> i'm willing to try that
[05:50] <Quanten> how would i do that?
[05:50] <dr_willis> how big is the hd?
[05:50] <histo> Quanten: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/you/want/to/blank bs=1M
[05:50] <logavanc> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda bs=4M
[05:50] <Quanten> around 500g
[05:51] <logavanc> Then get some sleep... =)
[05:51] <histo> logavanc: /dev/null won't zero
[05:51] <logavanc> Crap, histo you are right.
[05:51] <logavanc> I meant /dev/zero... couldn't you tell? =)
[05:51] <Quanten> so what do i do?
[05:51] <logavanc> Open a terminal.
[05:51] <dr_willis> if dd fails.... its dead jim...
[05:52] <Cell> So is there some reason Steam needs to be reading files in my .ecryptfs folder?
[05:52] <Quanten> okay, terminal opened ;P
[05:52] <logavanc> type the following:         dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/you/want/to/blank bs=4M
[05:52] <logavanc> Crap...
[05:52] <Quanten> wait
[05:52] <Quanten> wat
[05:52] <logavanc> type the following:         sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/you/want/to/blank bs=4M
[05:52] <Quanten> you want to blank?
[05:52] <logavanc> Crap...
[05:52] <Quanten> o.o
[05:52] <Cell> Shit
[05:52] <Guest59330> logavanc
[05:52] <dr_willis> you said you wanted to...
[05:52] <logavanc> type the following:         sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4M
[05:52] <logavanc> ^that one!
[05:52] <Guest59330> can you mentor me
[05:52] <logavanc> =)
[05:53] <Quanten> okay i added sudo to it
[05:53] <logavanc> Guest59330, I am not attacking anyone.
[05:53] <Quanten> and now it's blinking
[05:53] <Quanten> i mean
[05:53] <Quanten> i changed it
[05:53] <Quanten> and yeah, it's just a blinking cursor
[05:53] <dr_willis> it will take some time to zero the disk...
[05:53] <Quanten> what does zeroing the disk mean?
[05:54] <dr_willis> writing  00000000000000 to the disk
[05:54] <logavanc> You are literally writing 0 to every bit on the drive right now.
[05:54] <Quanten> what will that do?
[05:54] <dr_willis> totally erase it
[05:54] <Deepfriedice> Quanten: wipe everything.
[05:55] <logavanc> And maybe show if any errors occur.
[05:55] <dr_willis> when its done reboot and  try the installer again
[05:55] <logavanc> If it pukes during the DD, then the drive has... issues.
[05:56] <logavanc> Cell, Shit what?
[05:56] <dr_willis> it will give some error when its done about end if device.. and show how much it wrote.. which should be clise to 500gb
[05:57] <Guest59330> can some one tell me how to break in to a nather computer
[05:57] <DWSR> Yes.
[05:57] <DWSR> Use a screwdriver.
[05:57] <DWSR> Take off the side door.
[05:57] <Guest59330> lol
[05:57] <DWSR> There, you are in another computer.
[05:57] <Guest59330> funnnny
[05:57] <dr_willis> i use a hammer
[05:57] <Guest59330> hahaahaha
[05:57] <dr_willis> !support
[05:58] <logavanc> !help
[05:58] <histo> dr_willis: it won't get an error
[05:58] <logavanc> haha
[05:58] <logavanc> !patience
[05:58] <histo> whats a nather computer?
[05:58] <Deepfriedice> Guest50330: Is it HP or dell that makes the nather series?
[05:58] <logavanc> hehe
[05:58] <histo> I think that's the next version of the MS surface
[05:58] <histo> Nather
[05:58] <logavanc> Asus maybe?
[05:58] <histo> even worse
[05:59] <histo> RT > PRO > NATHER
[05:59] <logavanc> If it is a MS product, you don't need to break into it, just wait a bit and it will break itself.
[06:00] <dr_willis> home basic enhanced  premium  light  exasperated  edition
[06:00] <histo> with all new app store to buy all your apps
[06:00] <Ackis> what would the best way be to install ubuntu for someone who hasn't played with linux in 10ish years, has a partition for the install, and is using windows 8
[06:00] <logavanc> But no Start(C) button.
[06:00] <histo> Ackis: put cd in drive and install
[06:01] <histo> Ackis: or install off of usb
[06:01] <DWSR> Ackis: Just install via LiveCD.
[06:01] <Quanten> so far so good no error T_T
[06:01] <dr_willis> backup  the system first.
[06:01] <Quanten> if it doesn't return an error and finishes, what should i do?
[06:01] <histo> Ackis: You will be plesently suprised if it's been 10 years. Many changes
[06:01] <logavanc> Quanten, try the install again.
[06:01] <dr_willis> when its done reboot and  try the installer again
[06:01] <AcidRain2012> Ackis: just dont use unity.
[06:01] <Ackis> histo: I loved it before, it just wasn't practical for my uses
[06:01] <logavanc> Ackis, and Ubuntu will hold you hand through the whole process.
[06:01] <dr_willis> logical....
[06:01] <histo> Ackis: that's another option is the install cd is actually a livecd you can boot to and check things out see if you like it etc..
[06:01] <AcidRain2012> if u see that u may think that 10yrs was -20yrs
[06:01] <Quanten> how long does it generally take?
[06:02] <histo> Ackis: I bet it's practical now. Download and check it out.
[06:02] <logavanc> Quanten, for 500 G... a while.
[06:02] <histo> Quanten: It returns output wrote X bytest etc... blah blah
[06:02] <histo> Quanten: It won't take that long if you did bs=1m
[06:02] <histo> 1m
[06:03] <histo> stupid caps lock 1M
[06:03] <histo> jesus
[06:03] <dr_willis> the fact it hasent failed yet... is a good sign
[06:03] <Quanten> i did bs=4m
[06:03] <Quanten> 4M
[06:03] <logavanc> Wanna see something cool Quanten?
[06:03] <histo> say you get 80MB/s  so do the math
[06:03] <Quanten> sure :o
[06:03] <JDuke128> hello i m developer for windows and mac. I m making cross platform tool.I can get foreground window on the system on win32 by utilizing GetForegroundWindow , how can i get same ? i want foreground window title name? possible ?
[06:04] <histo> Quanten: you can check it's speed with something like nmon or iotop
[06:04] <histo> ɔool
[06:04] <logavanc> Open another terminal, type the following 'ps aux | grep dd' and look for your command.
[06:05] <Quanten> okay
[06:05] <Quanten> is it supposed to signify something?
[06:05] <Quanten> :O
[06:05] <logavanc> The line with your command will have a number shown in the second column (from the left, the first is the user name that ran the command, then the next is the PID).
[06:05] <histo> Quanten: or ps aux as logavanc suggested will show that it's running using cpu ram etc...
[06:05] <histo> Quanten: top or htop is another way to monitor running PIDS
[06:06] <Quanten> the number is 14127
[06:06] <logavanc> Once you have that number, run the following command 'sude kill -USR1 0000' where 0000 is whatever number you got before.
[06:06] <logavanc> So... 'sudo kill -USR1 14127'
[06:06] <histo> Quanten: That's only if you want to stop it
[06:06] <Quanten> ...
[06:06] <Quanten> o.o
[06:06] <histo> logavanc: Why are you having him kill the PID
[06:06] <logavanc> That will not stop it.
[06:06] <logavanc> -USR1
[06:07] <logavanc> Check the DD man page.
[06:07] <Quanten> uh
[06:07] <logavanc> It tells the DD command to dump statistics to the screen.
[06:07] <Quanten> i went to the original terminal
[06:07] <Quanten> and yeah
[06:07] <histo> oh yeah
[06:07] <histo> lol
[06:07] <Quanten> there are statistics
[06:07] <histo> didn't see the usr
[06:07] <FloodBot1> Quanten: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:08] <Quanten> 806.946 s, 77.5 MB/
[06:08] <Quanten> s
[06:08] <logavanc> If I remember correctly, one of the stats given should be the rate...
[06:08] <logavanc> Yeah, so there you go, ~77 MB/s.   500GB / 77 MB = #of seconds (roughly)
[06:09] <dickieb> hello, I got a question. Every time I boot to ubuntu from the installation, the screen goes blank around 10 minutes after the DVD is booted up. Im guessing that its because I have an ATI card. Is there anyway I can fix this so I can install ubuntu?
[06:09] <histo> Quanten: 119 minutes at that rate
[06:09] <histo> Quanten: but it will speed up as it gets to the outside of the disk.
[06:09] <histo> and slow down near the inside actaully.
[06:10] <histo> roughly 2hrs.
[06:10] <Quanten> ty
[06:10] <logavanc> histo, that is why they like to put the swap out at the end, right? Not sure if that is a wives tale though.
[06:11] <histo> logavanc: Well on a mechanical disk it's spinning faster on the outside that's why
[06:11] <logavanc> dickieb, Try setting 'nomodeset' when booting the Ubuntu LiveCD.
[06:11] <dickieb> thank you!
[06:12] <logavanc> You know... I think I wanna run an experiment on the read/write times of a spinning disk based on disk location.
[06:12] <logavanc> Mythbusters style.
[06:12] <Delux> it is possbile to install a Windows XP VM on Ubuntu Server and RDP into that Windows machine?
[06:12] <burtonium> ofc
[06:13] <histo> logavanc: It's not hard to understand that the outside of the wheel will pass a fixed point at a higher speed than the inside of the wheel.
[06:13] <Quanten> thanks you guys
[06:13] <Quanten> hope it works
[06:13] <dr_willis> swap partitions dont have to be on the end
[06:13] <Quanten> so far so good, no errors
[06:13] <logavanc> Oh I agree histo, I am just not sure what kind of difference that would make.  Seems an insignificant sort of difference.
[06:13] <histo> logavanc: the actually differences in speed I believe would be minimal.
[06:14] <dr_willis> of course if you are actually using swap.. thatss going to be such a major reduction to speed that  any differances btween the start and end of the disk will be barely noticeable
[06:14] <logavanc> Its all sorta moot for me anyway, I use SSDs.
[06:14] <dr_willis> if you want better swap speeds.. spread swap out amoung several hard drives
[06:14] <dr_willis> thats old skool tricks. ;)
[06:14] <sasori> hi, how to install crunch on ubuntu 11.04 ? ..because i tried "sudo apt-get install crunch" ...it says "Unable to locate package crunch"
[06:14] <histo> logavanc: The bigger issue is moving the heads. These disks spin so fast no adays. I just use SSD's when possible also and don't worry about it.
[06:15] <logavanc> Wow... that is actually a really good idea dr_willis .
[06:15] <histo> !info crunch
[06:15] <sasori> ubottu: how to solve this issue?
[06:15] <histo> sasori: Aparently there is no package crunch or it has a different name.
[06:15] <logavanc> I have 4 drives in my machine, with a different version of Linux on each, but I don't mount the other's swap space.
[06:15] <sasori> any idea how to solve this?
[06:15] <histo> logavanc: RAID is multiple dirves
[06:16] <marshal> . /var/log/dist-upgrade does exists but apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't write any info their and i'm trying to debug some dist-upgrade issue.. any ideas? thanks
[06:16] <marshal> *doesn't*
[06:16] <histo> sasori: See if the persont hat wrote the crunch package has source code availible.
[06:16] <Hatz> I must be an idiot because i can't see the notification or the Administration -> additional drivers this guide talks about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:16] <dr_willis> i got no idea what 'crunch' is... ;)
[06:16] <sasori> histo: and then?
[06:16] <dr_willis> Hatz:  in 12.10 the addational drivers tool is in a tab under the 'software sources' tool
[06:17] <Hatz> ah
[06:17] <phunyguy> So I have a mid-2011 mac air 13" with ubuntu 12.10 on it that I JUST installed.... and after running updates and restarting/powering off/powering pack on, the wireless will not detect any networks.  I should also note that it was running Kubuntu perfectly before that.
[06:17] <histo> sasori: build the source and install it with checkinstall
[06:17] <histo> !checkinstall | sasori
[06:18] <logavanc> !
[06:18] <logavanc> That is awesome!
[06:18] <histo> phunyguy: what wireless chipset is it?
[06:18] <histo> !botsnack
[06:18] <logavanc> How for come I aint never seen that before???
[06:18] <dr_willis> dont reply on checkinstall to work properly for all code also. :)
[06:18] <dr_willis> rely
[06:18] <Quanten> night all
[06:18] <Quanten> thanks for the help
[06:18] <logavanc> np
[06:18] <histo> dr_willis: You've seen it fail? I haven't
[06:18] <Quanten> may tux be with you
[06:18] <dr_willis> checkinstall is considered a bit of a hack/dirty work around
[06:19] <histo> dr_willis: for building debs it's a hack
[06:19] <phunyguy> histo, Broadcom BCM43224
[06:19] <histo> sasori: You could also look for a PPA someone may have already done all the hard work for you.
[06:19] <dr_willis> Ive rarely needed it.. i do recall seeing someone in here had some issues a few mo back.. but i dont recall the details
[06:19] <dr_willis> PPA's are definatly the better answer
[06:19] <histo> !bcm | phunyguy
[06:20] <histo> !ppa | sasori
[06:20] <logavanc> Speaking of PPAs, how come LibreOffice don't have a PPA for their newest releases??? I want 4.0!
[06:20] <phunyguy> histo, it worked great in Kubuntu
[06:20] <quinn_> Libreoffice does have a PPA I belive
[06:20] <quinn_> *believe
[06:20] <histo> logavanc: Have you checked backports?
[06:20] <quinn_> I just use the deb package from their website though
[06:20] <Delux> is it possbile to install a Windows XP VM on Ubuntu Server and RDP into that Windows machine?
[06:20] <histo> logavanc: and I'm sure they have a ppa
[06:20] <logavanc> Last time (several times actually) I put the backports on my system, it blew up.
[06:20] <histo> Delux: yes
[06:20] <dr_willis> Delux:  yes
[06:21] <logavanc> Delux, yes.
[06:21] <dr_willis> Delux:  we said yes earlier. ;)
[06:21] <Delux> do I have to build the machine elsewhere?
[06:21] <histo> Delux: infact virtualbox has rdp built in
[06:21] <phunyguy> histo, I also don't have an ethernet port on this thing to connect to a wire and get the wifi working ><
[06:21] <histo> Delux: Build what machine?
[06:21] <quinn_> Here's the ppa - https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
[06:21] <Delux> the virtual machine
[06:21] <histo> !offline | phy1729
[06:21] <histo> phunyguy: ^^^^^^^^^
[06:22] <histo> Delux: You don't build virtual machines. They are virtual.
[06:22] <phunyguy> histo is it just the firmware missing?
[06:22] <histo> phunyguy: sounds that way
[06:22] <logavanc> There is a PPA dedicated for the 3.5 series which supports Lucid/10.04, Oneiric/11.10 and Precise/12.04 for a more stable experience!
[06:22] <phunyguy> I can make that happen then
[06:22] <logavanc> ^ quinn_
[06:22] <Delux> histo - build meaning click boxes and do all the settings
[06:22] <histo> phunyguy: broadcom chipsets need firmware. Other option is if you have  a USB dongle that doesn't use gcm
[06:22] <histo> phunyguy: sorry bcm not gcm
[06:22] <phunyguy> WAIT!!
[06:23] <phunyguy> I DO!
[06:23] <phunyguy> brb
[06:23] <da3m0n__> I need some help regarding private cloud deployment for my project work
[06:23] <phunyguy> =D
[06:23] <FloodBot1> phunyguy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:23] <dr_willis> Its handy having a usb dongle that works out of the box with linux. ;)
[06:23] <histo> Delux: You don't need to click boxes. You cant start the virtual box guest form the cli booting the winblows install iso. And connect via rdp to install etc....
[06:23] <histo> Delux: /j #virtualbox
[06:23] <logavanc> I was saying that I want LibreOffice 4.0, and I was bummed that there wasn't a PPA for getting it in Ubuntu 12.04.
[06:23] <dr_willis> lets you get the addational-drivers  for your built in wifi easier..
[06:23] <Delux> thanks histo
[06:24] <histo> Delux: NP
[06:24] <phunyguy> 4 lines causes a flood trigger... wow... ok.    Shouldnt have added the last smiley  ;)
[06:26] <histo> logavanc: did you find it?
[06:26] <phunyguy> histo, that wasnt at all the fix.  http://askubuntu.com/questions/223246/why-do-i-have-no-wifi-on-a-macbook-air-14-2
[06:26] <logavanc> Maybe... still looking.
[06:26] <phunyguy> thanks anyway
[06:26] <phunyguy> I think those broadcom docs are very dated.
[06:27] <logavanc> This might do it...    ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-prereleases
[06:27] <histo> logavanc: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=libreoffice+ppa  first result
[06:28] <histo> phunyguy: How'd the driver get enabled in the first place?
[06:28] <phunyguy> histo, I didnt do it.  I installed the OS, and then ran updates
[06:28] <logavanc> Right histo... see earlier:  There is a PPA dedicated for the 3.5 series which supports Lucid/10.04, Oneiric/11.10 and Precise/12.04 for a more stable experience!
[06:28] <phunyguy> that was it.  I'm no spring chicken with Ubuntu
[06:29] <histo> phunyguy: That's a silly bug
[06:29] <phunyguy> histo, agreed.
[06:29] <phunyguy> sounds like an issue with the STA driver
[06:29] <phunyguy> it ay get fixed with a future update release.
[06:29] <histo> Why is everyone so hyped up for libre office 4.0?
[06:30] <logavanc> Why wouldn't you be?  I suppose you just love MS Office histo?
[06:30] <phunyguy> !ot
[06:30] <histo> logavanc: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice
[06:30] <phunyguy> logavanc: be respectful.
[06:31] <histo> If there is no greate bennefit why go through all this drama just to install it.
[06:31] <logavanc> Really??? After getting a lfgtfy link? I am the one being disrespectful???
[06:32] <phunyguy> logavanc: please understand, the errors of a few should not be blamed on the entire community, and two wrongs dont make a right.
[06:32] <histo> sense of humor?
[06:32] <bazhang> lets move on logavanc
[06:32] <phunyguy> everyone here works for free
[06:32] <logavanc> I thought I was being good...
[06:32] <phunyguy> with that being said.....
[06:32] <phunyguy> !google
[06:32] <logavanc> No swearing...
[06:33] <logavanc> Although I guess that I do see some humor in the fact that accusing someone of using an MS product is this community would be considered a low blow. =)
[06:34] <phunyguy> now you get the idea.
[06:34] <phunyguy> go with the flow, brotha, and realize that lots in here want to help, and their intentions are good, even if their methods might be not in the best interest of supporting the community.
[06:35] <histo> logavanc: I didn't take offense to your comment in anyway just FYI
[06:35] <logavanc> Haha! I probably would have!
[06:38] <phunyguy> and never be too proud to ask for help. :) - I have been using Ubuntu since 2007, and I still come in here for assistance, fend off some bad advice, and come up with a working solution after a while.  Speaking of, histo, that link I posted worked, and maybe we should try not to blast the !bcm trigger so fast, considering the latest version of Ubuntu mentioned in it is 11.10.
[06:39] <ricomoss_> Anyone up to help solve a dual monitor issue on a System 76 laptop?
[06:40] <logavanc> Fire away ricomoss_
[06:40] <histo> ricomoss_: Doesn't system 76 provide support for their hardware under their terms?
[06:41] <ricomoss_> I have a VGA and HDMI monitors that I'm trying to connect for dual monitor sans the laptop screen.   When I connect the HDMI monitor the system "recognizes it" but when I configure it the monitor displays "No HDMI Input Found".
[06:42] <ricomoss_> I've tried contacting s76 support but I have yet to hear back from them.  I thought I might be able to find a solution sooner.
[06:44] <logavanc> So in Ubuntu, you set up the desktop to be mirrored or extended onto the HDMI screen?
[06:45] <histo> ricomoss_: is it a nvidia card?
[06:45] <dr_willis> ive seen laptops that have to have the external monitors plugged in - when powered up.  or else the port is disabled.. also seen  where you have to  hit some special fn-whatever keys to actually turn on the extra port
[06:45] <ricomoss_> No, it is Intel HD Graphics 4000
[06:46] <phunyguy> dr_willis: this mac air is a good example of that.  the thunderbolt port wont see anything unless it is there at power on.
[06:46] <dr_willis> for an intel laptop once.. i had to use the fn keys.. till it turned on.. then for some reason it always saw it after a reboot after that one time..
[06:46] <ricomoss_> I've tried booting with both monitors plugged in...in this none of the monitors work and I am unable to see anything.
[06:46] <dr_willis> ive had  a nvidia laptop once.. i had to have the nvidia drivers installed or else the external port wouldent work at all..
[06:47] <dr_willis> had a weird laptop once - it Defaulted to the external monitor port... even with nothing  plugged into it.. :) had to hit the FN--? key at each bootup like twice to toggle the lcd to turn on..
[06:48] <dr_willis> just luck i discovered that.. it was playing sound.. no display... smacked some keys.. it worked.. ;)
[06:48] <phunyguy> if this mac air is anything though, it is fast.  boots from power off to login screen in about 7 seconds.
[06:48] <dr_willis> The joys of laptop weirdness over theyears
[06:48] <phunyguy> (SSD)
[06:48] <l057c0d3r> yeah...  dr_willis with this lappy..  and amd radion hd.  the hdmi worked..  but until i put catalist on it.. i could not get 1080p from it
[06:49] <ricomoss_> So should I attempt a reboot with both monitors plugged in and try hitting the fn+some key until it works?
[06:49] <dr_willis> ricomoss_:  yea..  you may want to actually power off.. plug them in. and power on.  not just a reboot
[06:49] <l057c0d3r> usually there on lappys there is a little box with lines on both sides of it.. on f4 or around there..  which toggles the displays
[06:50] <l057c0d3r> if you have that button ricomoss_ i would try that
[06:50] <dr_willis> dance in a circle around the room 3 times chanting hiku verses also...
[06:50] <ricomoss_> Ok.  I'll try that.  brb
[06:50] <gregory58> Hello, I am getting started on a VPS and contemplating between a 32 or 64 bit Ubuntu server.....which one is recommended?
[06:51] <Ben64> gregory58: 64 if it is supported
[06:51] <dr_willis> gregory58:  i imatine it depends on your needs.
[06:51] <l057c0d3r> helps to have the drivers installed though...  and a utility to control the monitors..  for some strange reason.. my hdmi keeps default to a different res then the one i set when using it..  even when i hard set it in the xorg.conf
[06:51] <gregory58> Ben64: Cool, 64 it is..
[06:51] <l057c0d3r> so i have to use amd control manager to change it to 1080p when i want to use it
[06:52] <Cell> does anyone know about apparmor?
[06:52] <logavanc> I know more about SELinux, but...
[06:52] <dr_willis> seems like these virtual servers are getting like.. really cheap. ;) saw one the other day for $5 a month.   tempted to get one just for a znc server/toy
[06:52] <Cell> If you get one, can I have root on it?
[06:52] <dr_willis> go spend your own $5 a month... phhhht!
[06:52] <dr_willis> ;)
[06:52] <logavanc> I was eying Linode the other day, but it wasn't no 5 a month.
[06:52] <burtonium> does anyone have glittching in sound when watching youtube videos? It happens for a second every minute or so? I use external NI audio 2 adapter
[06:53] <Cell> :(
[06:53] <Cell> its probably just an ubuntu box hosted out of some kid's mother's basement :P
[06:53] <histo> burtonium: not here
[06:53] <dr_willis> i saw one advertised just yesterday for $5 a mo for the lowest one.. they were touteing 'servers use a ssd' still not sure how thats doable.
[06:53] <histo> Cell: get one what?
[06:53] <Cell> what?
[06:54] <histo> dr_willis: did you check out weechat's relay yet?
[06:54]  * histo has been eying up dotblock hosting.
[06:55] <logavanc> http://xkcd.com/908/
[06:57] <dr_willis> https://www.digitalocean.com   $5 mo. claims they are using ssds..  not sure of the details.. ive never used any of these cloud servers..
[06:57] <dr_willis> histo:  i toyed with it.. but the android client kept crashing. ;)
[06:57] <bazhang> logavanc, dont paste that here
[06:57] <Cell> havent you seen that xkcd dr_willis
[06:58] <dr_willis> i rarely read xkcd.. ;) im not nerdy enough.  ;P
[06:58] <logavanc> ? What is wrong with xkcd bazhang?
[06:58] <Cell> dr_willis: https://xkcd.com/908/
[06:58] <histo> dr_willis: Yeah dotblock is advertising $9.99 ssd
[06:58] <bazhang> logavanc, it has Nothing to do with Ubuntu support
[06:58] <bazhang> Cell, lets stay on topic
[06:58] <logavanc> Oh.
[06:59] <histo> dr_willis: 30 day trial
[06:59] <histo> sry
[06:59] <Cell> it is on topic, trollop
[06:59] <dr_willis> are we going to neeed a #ubunt-vps or #ubuntu-cloud eventually?
[06:59] <histo> dr_willis: Probably
[06:59] <bazhang> Cell, no its not. #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat NOT here
[06:59] <histo> although #ubuntu-server isn't being used like it should.
[06:59] <Cell> For someone who spends his all time trolling #defocus you sure are touchy, bazhang
[07:00] <dr_willis> I really need to read up on this stuff someday.  - I just dont know what all you can do on them to  even justify $5 a mo. but i bet i could do with a ubuntu cloud server what i am doing with my raspberry pi.
[07:00] <braaaains> any ubuntu gurus out there who might let me pick their brain about server vs desktop advantages ?
[07:00] <Cell> how do I clear apparmor entries
[07:00] <Cell> in the log files
[07:00] <bazhang> braaaains, ask the channel
[07:00] <dr_willis> braaaains:  install a service on a desktop install.. you got a server. ;)
[07:01] <dr_willis> theres not a server kernel any more is there? there used to be i rember.  getting where the diferances tween a desktop and server are blury these days
[07:01] <logavanc> braaaains, Install ubuntu-desktop on a server install and you have ubuntu desktop.
[07:01] <braaaains> so the desktop GUI doesn't detract too much from the processing power of the server then ?
[07:02] <bazhang> braaaains, of course it does
[07:02] <dr_willis> My little Raspberry Pi works as an ok home server. ;)
[07:02] <logavanc> braaaains, I didn't say that.
[07:02] <dr_willis> so it depends on what you are actually serveing..
[07:02] <histo> braaaains: That's the difference GUI no GUI
[07:02] <histo> braaaains: You don't need the GUI
[07:03] <logavanc> (An option, I might point out, that I am pretty sure that MS Windows does not give you.)
[07:03] <ricomoss> No luck on the HDMI monitor - I even tried another monitor.
[07:03] <braaaains> thats what I was thinking.... that the GUI would just slow it down since it will be headless anyways, I plan to do all my admin through SSH and webmin
[07:03] <Gnea> Having a GUI on a server is like riding a bicycle with training wheels.
[07:03] <Gnea> Some things you just outgrow...
[07:03] <logavanc> Which is perfect for Windows server admins... =)
[07:04] <braaaains> thanks for the info guys, i'll stick with the server installation then...
[07:04] <bazhang> !webmin | braaaains
[07:04] <bazhang> !ebox > braaaains
[07:04] <Cell> anyone know how to delete apparmor events from the log files
[07:05] <ricomoss> Any other suggestions for getting the dual monitor setup to work on the s76 laptop?
[07:05] <Gnea> Cell: why would you need to do that?
[07:05] <logavanc> Isn't there an apparmor gui front end that you can install for doing that?  I know there is for SELinux.
[07:05] <bazhang> ricomoss, using xrandr?
[07:05] <Cell> because I was doing some profiling and now its giving me errors
[07:05] <braaaains> bazhang: Oh, thanks for the info. I had been using it fine in a VM but there was not extensive testing
[07:05] <Cell> so I think the log file might be screwed up
[07:05] <ricomoss> bazhang, I'm not sure what xrandr is.  How can I find out?
[07:05] <Cell> (I)nherit / (P)rofile / (C)hild / (N)ame / (U)nconfined / (X)ix / (D)eny / Abo(r)t / (F)inish
[07:05] <Cell> Argument "" isn't numeric in sort at /usr/share/perl5/Immunix/AppArmor.pm line 4312.
[07:06] <bazhang> !xrandr | ricomoss
[07:06] <logavanc> braaaains, You might check out Zentyal too.
[07:06] <Gnea> Cell: looks more like a warning, not an error
[07:06] <Cell> well its an error because its stops the profile editor from working
[07:07] <Gnea> are you sure it wasn't already finished anyway?
[07:08] <Cell> yes
[07:08] <Cell> it was just hanging at the command line
[07:08] <Gnea> oh, the HDD LED wasn't lit anymore?
[07:09] <Cell> well I didnt check but it was hanging
[07:09] <Cell> the program is supposed to ask me to approve behaviors and then save a profile
[07:09] <ricomoss> bazhang, ubottu, I am reading about xrandr and I can't see what to do to get HDMI to work.
[07:09] <Gnea> well sometimes programs are still running but don't always display output in a terminal until they get to a certain point
[07:10] <Cell> ok well still I would like to delete those entries
[07:10] <Cell> can I just delete syslog?
[07:10] <Gnea> you could
[07:10] <Cell> I dont think I have much use for it
[07:10] <logavanc> Good night all.
[07:10] <Chojek> Hello?
[07:10] <Cell> its 300 mb, that's a ridiculous waste of space
[07:10] <Gnea> just remember that there is a process that's currently writing to it
[07:10] <Gnea> only 300?
[07:10] <Chojek> This is the chat for Ubuntu help yes?
[07:10] <Cell> only?
[07:10] <Gnea> heh
[07:10] <bazhang> Chojek, for support yes.
[07:11] <braaaains> bazhang: I'm looking through that link (and doc.zentyal.org) and I'm having trouble figuring out if Zentyal will help me to setup softraid with MDADM like Webmin did, you wouldn't happen to know off the top of your head would you ? That was pretty much the whole reason for installing webmin to be honest, manually dealing with MDADM was making my head spin.
[07:11] <histo> Chojek: /topic
[07:11] <Chojek> ./topic doesn't work..
[07:11] <histo> Chojek: remove the .
[07:11] <Gnea> Cell: well, it sounds like you have a lot of verbosity turned on from various apps, so yes, 'only'.
[07:11] <bazhang> Chojek, what is your ubuntu support issue. please ask the channel
[07:12] <bazhang> braaaains, not looked into that deeply, my apologies
[07:12] <Chojek> i don't have it installed, i was just curious
[07:12] <Chojek> ive been thinking of installing it
[07:12] <Cell> is there a way to limit the size?
[07:12] <bazhang> !manual | Chojek first have a read
[07:12] <bazhang> !rute | Chojek and these
[07:12] <Chojek> S!rute
[07:12] <Chojek> !rute
[07:13] <Chojek> lol
[07:13] <bazhang> Chojek, you would actually read those links.
[07:13] <Chojek> i have a usb, can I use it to install Ubuntu on it?
[07:13] <Chojek> And can I switch between Windows and Ubuntu?
[07:13] <bazhang> Chojek, yes
[07:13] <Cell> Is there an apparmor specific channel?
[07:13] <bazhang> !alis | cell have a look
[07:14] <ricomoss> If I plug in my HDMI monitor and "enable" it in the Display settings and then run xrandr it seems to say it's connected and shows all the settings available.  What should I do after this?
[07:14] <Gnea> Cell: yes, you could tell your processes to not be so noisy.  also, syslog files tend to get archived on a daily basis, so it will shrink considerably.
[07:14] <Chojek> Sweet, so do I just go on http://www.ubuntu.com and download the file and put it on my usb?
[07:14] <Chojek> and just go from there?
[07:14] <bazhang> Chojek, essentially, yes. not quite drag and drop though. there are instructions on the site
[07:15] <Gnea> Cell: no idea, the only thing I can see from here is the website
[07:15] <MNichie> I have a custom udev rule for my phone, but it looks like Ubuntu is overriding my rule and trying(unsuccessfully) to mount automount it.  Does anyone know how Ubuntu is deciding to try to automount a device?
[07:15] <Gnea> !apparmor
[07:15] <Chojek> is Ubuntu faster than Windows?
[07:15] <Cell> For certain things
[07:15] <bazhang> Chojek, thats pure speculation
[07:15] <bazhang> !ot | Chojek
[07:15] <Gnea> Chojek: is a ferrari faster than a corolla?
[07:16] <Chojek> is a ferrari faster than a corolla?
[07:16] <Chojek> i'd assume so
[07:16] <Chojek> lol
[07:16] <bazhang> lets move on please
[07:16] <Chojek> i found a windows installer for ubuntu
[07:16] <bazhang> thats wubi Chojek
[07:16] <bazhang> !wubi > Chojek
[07:16] <Chojek> Yep, wubi.
[07:17] <ricomoss> I was able to get my HDMI monitor working if I disable the VGA monitor.  So it's as if the laptop screen has to be 1 of the 2 monitors.  Any ideas around this?
[07:17] <Chojek> Sweet.
[07:17] <Chojek> Thanks for the helpful information guys.
[07:18] <burtonium> ricomoss: no its more like, you have crapy drivers
[07:18] <dr_willis> wubi can be problematic
[07:18] <Chojek> I have no real reason to use Ubuntu, just out of curiosity I guess.
[07:18] <braaaains> Does anybody have a solution to creating a softraid that doesn't use webmin ? Besides manually through the console with MDADM because I could not figure that out for the life of me. :( This has kind of thrown a wrench in my plans.
[07:18] <ricomoss> To fix "crappy drivers" I should...?
[07:19] <dr_willis> ricomoss:  perhaps the xswat ppa may hav updated ones
[07:20] <dr_willis> !xswat
[07:22] <nbastin> anyone know the context in which the preseed file runs late_command?
[07:22] <nbastin> it works perfectly fine at the ash shell
[07:22] <burtonium> ricomoss: I don't know really, but on my hackintosh, I had to change framebuffer settings so i could connect 1xHDMI and 1xVGA monitor, so I assume it's problem with drivers, but don't take that for granted.
[07:22] <nbastin> but the install complains it dies with exit 2
[07:26] <braaaains> bazhang does webmin not work with any versions of ubuntu ? I was going to install it on the 12.04 server and there seems to be many installation/usage guides online for it... is it just 12.10 that is not compatible?
[07:26] <bazhang> braaaains, webmin has been a no go for a long time, many releases of debian/ubuntu
[07:27] <sasori> how to remove the dual booted linux in a windows machine?
[07:29] <ricomoss> You'll be happy to know that I finally got it to work.  I have no idea what I did, but they are functioning like a dream!  So happy, now I can actually do some development.
[07:29] <braaaains> bazhang thank you, do you think it would be advisable for me to install ubuntu desktop then ? it seems like it might be possible to disable the GUI after I've gotten everything setup and running how I want it to ? Because I may need to use something like gparted to create my raid array...
[07:31] <bazhang> sasori, you wish to go back to windows only?
[07:31] <astro5> when i left click on a window title bar and try to drag window...the mouse pointer comes detached from title bar and floats around screen, is there some setting i can use to change this?
[07:32] <maxjezy> anyone installed the ubuntu for phone on their nexus galaxy?
[07:32] <sasori> bazhang: yep...and replace the current dual boot linux distro that i have
[07:33] <sasori> into another linux distro
[07:33] <bazhang> sasori, remove the offending partition then update grub
[07:33] <bazhang> !grub2 | sasori
[07:34] <grendal-prime> hey i have a werid sound card issue.  Every time i suspend my laptop and bring it back up..my Mic does not work..untell i open my pulse audio volumn control and toggle the mic from "internal Microphone" and back to "microphone""
[07:34] <grendal-prime> then it works fine..
[07:34] <azizLIGHTS> how do i mount a ntfs drive from the command line for a short period
[07:34] <azizLIGHTS> i want to read/write
[07:34] <grendal-prime> first make adjustment to ftab
[07:34] <grendal-prime> fstab that is
[07:34] <grendal-prime> then mount /mnt/mymount
[07:35] <grendal-prime> do that as root.  now the nfs mount must have permissions for you to read and write.
[07:35] <grendal-prime> that you will have to set on the server that has the nfs server running on it
[07:35] <azizLIGHTS> what do you mean the nfs mount must have permissions for me to read/write
[07:36] <bazhang> grendal-prime, he was talking about ntfs not nfs
[07:36] <grendal-prime> yep
[07:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: fstab is for mounting on boot
[07:36] <grendal-prime> oo sorry man
[07:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: or automatically mounting it later on.
[07:36] <azizLIGHTS> i just wanna mount it for now, not set it in fstab for boot
[07:36] <kinetz> ciao
[07:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: if you want to mount it temporarily just make a directory to mount to.
[07:36] <kinetz> !addon
[07:36] <grendal-prime> histo, ..not totally
[07:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: then mount /dev/path/to/ntfs/partition /directory/created.
[07:37] <grendal-prime> on the mounting only at boot
[07:37] <histo> grendal-prime: I know
[07:37] <grendal-prime> it also makes it easyer to just mount it from command line
[07:37] <azizLIGHTS> histo: thats it? theres no switches?
[07:37] <histo> grendal-prime: could give a regular user permision to mount it.
[07:37] <kinetz> “!addon”
[07:37] <histo> azizLIGHTS: You shouldn't need any for ntfs by default anymore.
[07:37] <grendal-prime> ya..i think you can just mount it..
[07:37] <azizLIGHTS> histo: ok, im on ubuntu 8.10 . should have mentioned this earlier
[07:37] <histo> azizLIGHTS: you can add -o rw if you doesn't give you rw for some odd reason.
[07:38] <azizLIGHTS> my ntfs-3g is 1:1.2506-1ubuntu2
[07:38] <grendal-prime> histo is right on that
[07:38] <kinetz> #excalibur
[07:38] <bazhang> kinetz, stop that
[07:38] <histo> azizLIGHTS: yeah you should be able to mount it with ntfs-3g installed. However your version of ubuntu is old and passed End of Life
[07:38] <histo> azizLIGHTS: Any reason you haven't upgraded?
[07:38] <azizLIGHTS> im gonna upgrade once i move my files
[07:39] <azizLIGHTS> i just pulled it out ofmy storage unit
[07:39] <histo> azizLIGHTS: Well after you move your files you may want to just reinstall would be faster than upgrading.
[07:39] <kinetz> “!lista”
[07:39] <histo> !botabuse | kinetz
[07:39] <kinetz> !lista
[07:39] <azizLIGHTS> arrh, yeah reinstall. upgrade would be insane
[07:39] <bazhang> kinetz, no warez here, stop it
[07:39] <grendal-prime> ya if i remember right old ntfs-3g did not do rw  by default
[07:39] <grendal-prime> you needed to add that options
[07:39] <kinetz> "addon
[07:39] <DIGIMON> any hackers in here  msg me
[07:40] <histo> omg
[07:40] <azizLIGHTS> grendal-prime: ok ill read man mount then?
[07:40] <bazhang> DIGIMON, wrong channel for that
[07:40] <grendal-prime> hackers or crackers?
[07:40] <histo> What is going on tonight
[07:40] <DIGIMON> hackers
[07:40] <manickam> hi friends
[07:40] <DIGIMON> im not a cracker lol
[07:40] <bazhang> DIGIMON, thats offtopic here
[07:40] <azizLIGHTS> grendal-prime: read man mount for the rw mount for the old ntfs-3g?
[07:40] <grendal-prime> azizLIGHTS,   ya, i would read the ...ya ya
[07:40] <DIGIMON> sorry
[07:40] <azizLIGHTS> lol ok thx
[07:41] <DIGIMON> were do i go for hackers chat room then
[07:41] <manickam> i want add new package in buildroot please help me
[07:41] <bazhang> DIGIMON, try asking in #freenode
[07:41] <grendal-prime> there was a message that use to get dumped to syslog about adding those options if you needed to get rw on ntfs drives
[07:41] <histo> bazhang: lol
[07:41] <grendal-prime> nowadays..it just does it.
[07:42] <histo> azizLIGHTS: -o rw
[07:42] <histo> azizLIGHTS: mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/path/to/partition /path/to/directory/for/mount
[07:42] <grendal-prime> anyone ever wind up with a mic that stps working after suspend?
[07:43] <azizLIGHTS> histo: cool!!
[07:43] <azizLIGHTS> thank you very much
[07:43] <azizLIGHTS> :)
[07:43] <DIGIMON> who can voice chat
[07:43] <DIGIMON> how do i set that up any help
[07:43] <histo> DIGIMON: do you have a ubuntu related question?
[07:43] <pishkur> need some help with wine/soundcard please...if i start wine/windows app first and then try to run any other program that uses sound/video, it hangs itself...if i start the audio/video app first and then the wine app, all is normal...any ideas?
[07:44] <grendal-prime> DIGIMON, get gmail account
[07:44] <DIGIMON> yea the ubuntu on my computer wont let my mic work
[07:44] <grendal-prime> it works right through the browser  hangouts.
[07:44] <grendal-prime> DIGIMON, look into alsamixer
[07:44] <DIGIMON> oh cool i got it ty
[07:44] <histo> !sound | DIGIMON
[07:45] <Skyrdr> Greetings.
[07:46] <pishkur> anyone?
[07:46] <nikil> can anyone tell me the difference between when a script will run in /etc/network/if-up.d versus /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d?
[07:47] <histo> pishkur: possible bug with wine?
[07:47] <captine> pishkur, sorry, my wine skills are pretty poor.  cannot help
[07:47] <pishkur> histo: perhaps.. i tried changing the outputs in wine settings to different soundcard, but still the same
[07:47] <histo> pishkur: Is it app specific?
[07:47] <pishkur> the funny thing is, the "test sound" button still produces sound even when output is selected to a sound that doesnt have a physical sound out
[07:48] <mvt007geek> pishkur: wine has so  problems with win apps
[07:48] <pishkur> histo no idea, since this is the only app Im running through wine
[07:48] <histo> pishkur: maybe see if anyone in wine support has heard of it. I haven't here.
[07:49] <pishkur> do they have a chan here?
[07:49] <mvt007geek> pishkur: check your app bugs in wine site
[07:49] <pishkur> ah ok, thanks histo, mvt007geek
[07:50] <bazhang> pishkur, #winehq
[07:50] <mvt007geek> pishkur: in wine site search your app name. there is a part that explain about the problems that might happend.
[07:50] <bazhang> !appdb | pishkur
[07:51] <mvt007geek> yes exactly check the page that bazhang wrote
[07:52] <mvt007geek> :)
[07:58] <azizLIGHTS> heres my rsync command to copy files from my ntfs hdd to my ext. any advise or suggestions?
[07:59] <azizLIGHTS>  rsync --verbose --archive --partial --progress --dry-run /media/W2K/ /home/decepticon/rosewill/w2k/
[07:59] <manickam> buildroot help
[07:59] <azizLIGHTS> i wanna eventually format the ntfs hdd
[07:59] <azizLIGHTS> so i wanna save the files and their properties/attributes as they exist now on the hdd
[08:00] <samr> how to chang ip address in linux???
[08:00] <helmut_> hi
[08:02] <histo> azizLIGHTS: rsync -avz /sourc /desination
[08:02] <histo> azizLIGHTS: you won't be able to save attributes though I believe
[08:02] <histo> azizLIGHTS: or permisions due to the way ntfs works.
[08:03] <dr_willis> samr:  use the  networkmanager to set a static ip - if thats what you mean
[08:03] <aeon-ltd> samr: ?
[08:03] <bazhang> samr, change it for What purpose, please be very clear
[08:03] <azizLIGHTS> --archive is -a, --verbose is v, and -z is compress? why compress
[08:04] <azizLIGHTS> does it make a tar?
[08:04] <grendal-prime> oh by the way is there a way to change 12.10 them back to have normal  non hidey go peek scroll bars and normal vizible window resize handls
[08:04] <azizLIGHTS> histo: and why not --partial or --progress
[08:04] <bazhang> grendal-prime, using gnome-shell , sure. or gnome-panel
[08:05] <dr_willis> you can disable the special scroll bar thing - yes...
[08:05] <dr_willis> i belive the webupd8 or omgubuntu blog sites had some guides on the vvarious tweaks like that
[08:06] <histo> azizLIGHTS: You can if you want. Thye are just options. If you have rather large files use --partial.  I wouldn't do -z though that was a typo from me. You don't need compression since it's local.
[08:06] <azizLIGHTS> gotcha
[08:07] <histo> azizLIGHTS: like hidden files in windows are not going to be hidden according to rsync etc... The filesystems you are copying from to aren't the same keep that in mind.
[08:07] <histo> azizLIGHTS: is this just a bunch of files or an actual OS partition that you want to backup?
[08:07] <azizLIGHTS> oh, right
[08:07] <azizLIGHTS> just the files, i dunno where they all are
[08:07] <azizLIGHTS> i dont think theyre in c:windows for example
[08:08] <azizLIGHTS> but might as well get it all
[08:08] <histo> azizLIGHTS: yeah just -av will get them all.
[08:08] <azizLIGHTS> cool cool, gonna do it now :D
[08:08] <azizLIGHTS> ahh i miss my linux days
[08:08] <histo> azizLIGHTS: well more specifically -a  -v is verbose. a is short for a bunch of options that are listed in the man pages.
[08:09] <azizLIGHTS> histo: yup i looked em up
[08:09] <histo> azizLIGHTS: -z was compression. I'm used to using rsync over ssh for offsite backups so that's why I typed that.
[08:09] <histo> but if you are local I believe it would probably slow things down more than help.
[08:10] <azizLIGHTS> histo: yeah thats what i thought, since rsync is used locally and over networks as well
[08:10] <histo> yeah it's like carbonite but free
[08:10] <histo> and more secure probably
[08:11] <magn3ts> if my sound stops working system wide, what do you recommend I do besides restart pulseaudio?
[08:12] <aeon-ltd> magn3ts: check alsamixer
[08:13] <magn3ts> aeon-ltd: already did :(
[08:13] <magn3ts> and pavucontrol
[08:13] <Hzform> hello,everyone
[08:15] <aeon-ltd> magn3ts: check sources and what you're outputting to works
[08:15] <manickam> buildroot help
[08:16] <magn3ts> aeon-ltd: have tested with multiple sources as well as checking with multiple outputs both speakers and headphones and both the outputs on the motherboard, (front of case, back, etc)
[08:16] <magn3ts> it's D-E-A-D dead
[08:16] <magn3ts> happened mid video
[08:16] <Mantas7776> how should i partition 30
[08:16] <magn3ts> I rebooted last time and thought it was a fluke, nope!
[08:16] <Mantas7776> 30 GB space
[08:17] <samr> how can i get an operating mannual of each linux version.i mean to say every topic in explain how to work..
[08:17] <Mantas7776> how should i partition 30 GB space for ubuntu?
[08:18] <dr_willis> samr  thats still a big vague.. or you want a 100000000+ page book. ;)
[08:19] <dr_willis> samr:  i tend to hit the half price book stores or bargin bins and grab whatever linux book looks interesting on whatever topic i see..
[08:19] <manickam> buildroot help
[08:19] <histo> samr: There is an android man page app
[08:20] <Duke> hi guyz....
[08:20] <dr_willis> samr:  worth grabbing is the  Oreily 'Using bash' book. and their books on 'mastering Regular explressions'    - if you can find the 'using vim' and 'using sed and awk' on sale. they are worth grabbing also
[08:20] <samr> dr_willis:any pdf can downloaded on it???
[08:20] <Duke> i try to install Linux but now i get all the time "grub rescue>"
[08:20] <histo> samr: yeah they have digital versions
[08:20] <dr_willis> samr:  no idea. theres many ebooks you can buy
[08:20] <Duke> as a prompt
[08:20] <Duke> did i lost all my data?
[08:21] <histo> samr: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.calibretech.manpages&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5jYWxpYnJldGVjaC5tYW5wYWdlcyJd
[08:21] <histo> Duke: No.  Did you already install ubuntu?
[08:21] <Duke> no
[08:21] <Duke> this disk had windows 8. :/
[08:22] <jiu-jitsjiu-jits> -FREE
[08:23] <histo> Duke: So how are you getting a grub prompt if you didn't install ubuntu?
[08:24] <Duke> histo: probably i install it wrongly over windows.
[08:25] <magn3ts> in search of tux?
[08:25] <Duke> and i don't know what to do now. i think i will visit the shop i bough it. i hope they can at least save some important documents
[08:25] <histo> Duke: Hold down shift as the machine boots to get to a grub menu
[08:25] <manickam> buildroot help
[08:25] <Duke> histo: ok. one sec
[08:25] <histo> Duke: Your documents are there unless you deleted your windows partition.
[08:25] <jiu-jitsjiu-jits> HYOUGATem um caráter honesto e justo.Quando se dividem e lutam entre se junto com armadura.
[08:25] <magn3ts> Duke: did you use wubi by any chance?
[08:25] <Duke> histo: ereror: no such partition.
[08:25] <histo> Duke: the default install installs along side windows.
[08:25] <Duke> grub rescue>
[08:26] <Duke> magn3ts: no. i didn't :/
[08:26] <magn3ts> okay, is there any chance you stopped the install partway through?
[08:26] <histo> Duke: okay you need to fix grub is all.
[08:26] <Duke> magn3ts: i think this is what happened.
[08:26] <histo> Duke: oh hold up you stopped theinstall midway?
[08:26] <histo> magn3ts: how would he have stopped the install if grub got installed?
[08:26] <Duke> histo: yes. pc restarted
[08:26] <histo> magn3ts: that's the last step.
[08:27] <histo> Duke: as it reboots keep rpessing shift.
[08:27] <magn3ts> histo: I agree, never mind, histo sounds much more right :P
[08:27] <Duke> same thing. it  wrotes this:
[08:27] <histo> Duke: Boot to the installation media again.
[08:27] <Duke> loading.
[08:27] <Duke> error: no such partition.
[08:27] <Duke> grub rescue>
[08:28] <Duke> if i try ls
[08:28] <Duke> i get
[08:28] <Duke> (hd0)
[08:28] <b3_> how to install fdisk?
[08:28] <grendal-prime> ya thanks i just disabled the overlay sliders...thats a bunch of crap.
[08:28] <PeTaz> is ubuntu using lvm2?
[08:28] <histo> Duke: please boot to the cd you installed from.
[08:28] <grendal-prime> it sucks shuttlworth drank the coolaid on that shit
[08:28] <Mantas7776> how should i partition 30 GB space for ubuntu?
[08:29] <PeTaz> should i use lvm2?
[08:29] <b3_> how to install fdisk?
[08:29] <histo> !partition | Mantas7776
[08:29] <Duke> histo: ok. and then?
[08:29] <histo> b3_: fdisk is there by default
[08:29] <histo> Duke: Select Try Ubuntu
[08:29] <grendal-prime> ya i was just wondering if i read that right
[08:30] <b3_>  histo i have installed trisquel and it is not here
[08:30] <grendal-prime> it should be onyou system fdisk that is
[08:30] <Duke> histo: ok, give me a sec
[08:30] <histo> Duke: Follow these directions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A2nd_option_:_install_Boot-Repair_in_Ubuntu
[08:30] <Duke> histo: thnx!
[08:30] <histo> b3_: what is triquel?
[08:30] <Duke> histo: do you know if i lost all these documents ? they are my bigest worry :(
[08:31] <b3_> histo: ubuntu-based distro
[08:31] <histo> !derivatives | b3_
[08:32] <histo> Duke: It's too early to tell. Let me know when the live cd is up and we can check
[08:32] <Duke> histo: ok. i'm in try ubuntu mode.
[08:32] <histo> Duke: Did you connect to your network?
[08:32] <b3_> histo: bash says: fdisk: command not found
[08:33] <dr_willis> !info fdisk
[08:33] <histo> b3_: sudo apt-get install fdisk
[08:33] <dr_willis> !find fdisk
[08:33] <histo> b3_: sudo apt-get install gnu-fdisk
[08:33] <dr_willis> sk  now
[08:34] <auronandace> b3_: trisquel is still not supported here
[08:34] <dr_willis> you really should be using parted these days.
[08:34] <histo> b3_: You need to find support for trisquel
[08:35] <azizLIGHTS> is there any reason why my local rsync file transfer speeds are slow, theyre under 1MB/s, from my ide ntfs hdd in usb enclosure connected via usb directly to the back of my pc's usb ports
[08:36] <Duke> histo: yes
[08:36] <histo> azizLIGHTS: If there are a bunch of little files it will slow it down.
[08:36] <b3_> histo: actually fdisk is installed by default on trisquel but its directory is not added to PATH by default
[08:37] <histo> Duke: opne a terminal with ctrl+alt+t   then run lsblk | pastebinit    and provide me with the link
[08:37] <azizLIGHTS> histo: thats what i thought too for the small files under 10kb, but now its also doing it for mp3 files that are 5mb+
[08:37] <azizLIGHTS> 10256512 100%  498.19kB/s    0:00:20 (xfer#2265, to-check=1483/4271)
[08:38] <azizLIGHTS> wierd
[08:39] <histo> azizLIGHTS: yeah i've seen it slow down before like that with usb stuff.
[08:39] <histo> azizLIGHTS: are you copying to usb or from?
[08:40] <azizLIGHTS> from usb to ide hdds
[08:40] <azizLIGHTS> ah, i have two processes going on
[08:41] <histo> two?
[08:42] <b3_> help me to write an iso on a dvd+r disk
[08:43] <azizLIGHTS> yeah, two different source locations to two different destinations, both from the same source hdd and to the same destination hdd
[08:43] <azizLIGHTS> i just stopped both and did command 1 && comand 2
[08:43] <histo> b3_: please find trisquel support
[08:43] <b3_> histo: using fdisk and dd
[08:43] <histo> b3_: can't
[08:43] <histo> it's nto a block device
[08:44] <histo> b3_: you can't use dd or fdisk
[08:44] <b3_> histo: say how you would do that on ubuntu
[08:44] <histo> b3_: i'd use brasero or cdrecord
[08:44] <b3_> histo: what about command-line
[08:44] <histo> azizLIGHTS: did you start multiple instances of rsync somehow? I didn't think it spawned multiple shells
[08:44] <histo> b3_: cdrecord
[08:45] <azizLIGHTS> histo: in screen, two windows, yeah i ran two isntances
[08:45] <b3_> histo: what about wodim?
[08:45] <dr_willis> cdrecord is wodim these days.. i think
[08:45] <histo> azizLIGHTS: Why?
[08:45] <azizLIGHTS> histo: i got excited, i dunno
[08:45] <azizLIGHTS> :D
[08:45] <histo> azizLIGHTS: Run one instance
[08:45] <b3_> i read that cd record is not free
[08:45] <dr_willis> !info cdrecord
[08:46] <histo> yeah maybe wodim
[08:46] <histo> !wodim
[08:46] <histo> !info wodim
[08:46] <histo> b3_: ^^^^^^^^
[08:46] <azizLIGHTS> ok well, looks like 8gb at 1.0mB/s will take 2 hours+. gonna go sleep. thanks for all your help histo
[08:46] <histo> I haven't burned a cd in ages.
[08:46] <histo> azizLIGHTS: it will speed up
[08:47] <azizLIGHTS> i hope so
[08:47] <azizLIGHTS> regardless, i am out, its late
[08:47] <azizLIGHTS> thanks again histo
[08:48] <Duke> histo: it didn't work . i tryed lsblk > pastebinit
[08:49] <operatorplik> use downloas yuotube
[08:49] <Duke> and now in file pastebinit i have a folder tree
[08:49] <histo> Duke: lsblk | pastebinit  not >
[08:49] <Duke> loop0, sda-> sda1, sda2, sda5 and sr0
[08:50] <histo> Duke: the | is shift + backslash      also do sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit please
[08:50] <Duke> histo: it says "The program 'pastebinit' is currently not installed'
[08:50] <histo> Duke: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[08:50] <Duke> ok i'll try it
[08:50] <histo> Duke: or you can just copy and paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <histo> It's up to you. But i'd like to see the output of lsblk and fdisk -l
[08:51] <operatorplik> download yotube what program
[08:51]  * histo bites lip
[08:51] <Duke> histo: E: unable to locate package pastebinit
[08:51] <histo> Duke: just copy and paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <dr_willis> !info minitube
[08:52] <unheeding> !info terminator
[08:52] <b3_> histo: do you know a pastebin service that does not covert files to dos format?
[08:52] <histo> b3_: What?
[08:52] <histo> !screen > unheeding
[08:52] <dr_willis> theres dos2unix converter tools out
[08:53] <unheeding> histo: i am using screen and terminator.  terminator is more like tmux
[08:53] <b3_> dr_willis: why do they convert files to dos format
[08:53] <histo> unheeding: I still don't understand what's wrong with gnu screen?
[08:53] <histo> b3_: they dont
[08:53] <dr_willis> b3_:  ive never noticed them being converted..
[08:54] <histo> b3_: That's why I asked what?  you question makes absolutely no sense
[08:57] <llutz> b3_: cdrecord is free, it's just not GPL. there are lengthy discussions about schilis postition if you want to google
[08:59] <jnhghy> Hi, I had a faulty hdd with ubuntu 11.10 I've fixed the hdd error but now I can't start software-center (it was affected by the hdd error) now I thought I can uninstall and reinstall it but running "apt-get remove software-center" will remove 2 components: software-center and ubuntu-desktop. How can I remove only software-center? is this a good aprouche? any better idea?or any idea at all?
[09:00] <histo> jnhghy: What error are you getting with the software center?
[09:00] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, sudo apt-get remove pacakge --purge
[09:00] <dr_willis> ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package. let it be removed
[09:01] <jnhghy> histo: failed to execute child process: /usr/bin/software center No such file...
[09:01] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, personally, I'd do a forced reinstall before I tried to remove and reinstall.  sudo apt-get install package.name --reinstall
[09:02] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, note:  11.10 is end of life in a couple of months.  Assuming you've fixed the HDD issue, perhaps it's time to consider upgrading?  1204 is Long Term Support ...
[09:03] <jnhghy> cfhowlett: thanks for the tips will try the reinstall, the user doesn't give me the green light for upgrade yet ... :0
[09:04] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, best of luck ...
[09:05] <Akif{INDIA}> hello
[09:05] <hj3lmen> how do I change the ubunto server root password ? I did not get the option in the install proces..
[09:06] <jnhghy> cfhiwlett: thanks for the wishes but it didn't work, it can't download software-center I'm guessing it can't read the ppa? that were hosted by software-center? or it might be another issue? I can ping google.com....
[09:06] <Ben64> !root | hj3lmen
[09:06] <cfhowlett> !root|hj3lmen,
[09:06] <cfhowlett> Akif{INDIA}, greetings
[09:06] <hj3lmen> thanks
[09:06] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, software center is NOT a ppa!
[09:07] <cfhowlett> hj3lmen, that said, I don't know if USC will install in 11.10 ... ask in channel ... (I only run LTS , so 10.04 to 12.04 ...)
[09:07] <hj3lmen> ok
[09:07] <sasori> hi, am about to install a new linux distro in my windows 7 machine..i booted from usb...but i have an existing ubuntu as dual boot.....now there's this windows in the linux installer that says, "Prepare disk space"
[09:08] <jnhghy> cfhowlett: thanks again :)
[09:08] <sasori> there are 3 options..install side by side, rease and use the entire disk, specify partitions manually
[09:08] <Oblivion1500> do you want to fresh install?
[09:08] <Oblivion1500> or do you want to keep windows 7?
[09:09] <sasori> my guess is, i should select the 3rd option..the select partitions manually..but am confused with this...the windows 7 (loader(/dev/sda1), /dev/sda2,/backtrack live, ubuntu 11.04(/dev/sda5),swap(/dev/sda6), /dev/sda3)
[09:09] <sasori> i wanna keep windows 7
[09:09] <sasori> i dunno which to select from those that I wrote above
[09:10] <Oblivion1500> do you want to keep all of them?
[09:10] <cfhowlett> sasori, easiest method would be to delete the backtrack stuff and tell ubuntu to use the freed space ...
[09:11] <sasori> huh?..backtrack is were am currently booted right now..it's in the usb..... the current OS of my machine is windows 7 and ubuntu 11.04
[09:11] <cfhowlett> sasori, thought you were install ubuntu?
[09:11] <sasori> what i want to happen is, keep my original os , which is the windows 7....and then remove the ubuntu 11.04 and replace it with backtrack
[09:12] <cfhowlett> sasori, ok.  delete ubuntu, install BT in the freed space.  and for the record BT is not supported here, so that's all we can help you with .. best of luck
[09:12] <TheLordOfTime> what cfhowlett said: BT's not supported here, so that's about the extent we can help you
[09:13] <purplerain> sasori: ask in #backtrack-linux channel
[09:14] <sasori> ok...question not related to backtrack...let's say "just" linux itself
[09:14] <sasori> whatshould be the type? is it ntfs or swap?
[09:14] <dr_willis> type for what
[09:14] <gr1603> Hi everyone
[09:14] <sasori> partition?
[09:14] <dr_willis> linux would be ext4  normally
[09:14] <cfhowlett> saso.ri, hhahaha ,but no.  Off to BT with you
[09:15] <gr1603> I would need some help with installing in dual boot X-light-mind and Ubuntu
[09:15] <dr_willis> why would you want ntfs?   ;-)
[09:15] <cfhowlett> gr1603, no idea with x-light-mind is but xubuntu  ....
[09:15] <sasori> i can see alot of options..Ext4 journaling file system, Ext3 journaling file system
[09:15] <cfhowlett> dr_willis, BT ...
[09:15] <sasori> ext2 file sytem
[09:15] <sasori> lol
[09:15] <sasori> there's more
[09:16] <cfhowlett> !bt|sasori,
[09:16] <gr1603> The problem is that I can not run Xlightmind after installing because there is no track of it in the boot screen. What should I do to select the System?
[09:16] <TheLordOfTime> !bt | sasori
[09:16] <TheLordOfTime> ooh
[09:16] <TheLordOfTime> they modified ubottu...
[09:16] <sidusnare> any ideas why /etc/default/grub's GRUB_DEFAULT=0 is ignored? Yes I ran update-grub.
[09:17] <TheLordOfTime> or not :P
[09:17] <TheLordOfTime> !backtrack > sasori
[09:17] <dr_willis> whats xlightmind? some linux distro?
[09:17] <gr1603> Yes it is
[09:17] <cfhowlett> gr1603, still trying to find xlightmind ....
[09:18] <sasori> ok ubottu ..i thought you said you're a bot
[09:18] <sasori> :P
[09:18] <sidusnare> grub just refuses to default to anything, I have to hit enter
[09:18] <dr_willis> if update grub fails to see it. you can make a entry  for it in  /etc/grub.d/40_custome
[09:18] <ry|an> !backtrack > ry|an
[09:18] <TheLordOfTime> sasori, she is a bot.  i told her to send you a message :P
[09:18] <cfhowlett> gr1603, ok found it ...
[09:19] <gr1603> Should I run "sudo update grub" from Ubuntu?
[09:19] <cfhowlett> gr1603, try that ...
[09:19] <dr_willis> !grub
[09:19] <gr1603> ok I will have a try
[09:19] <cfhowlett> gr1603, what was the installation order?
[09:20] <gr1603> the last one was X-light-Mind but I assume I should update Ubuntu which was installed just earlier
[09:20]  * cfhowlett is pleasantly surprised to hear ubottu is a "she" ...
[09:21] <llutz> sidusnare: "GRUB_DEFAULT" just places the cursor on the entry, you always have to hit enter or to wait the timeout-time
[09:21] <gr1603> I am not an English native speaker, so should you spot any mistakes, I beg your pardon
[09:21] <cfhowlett> gr1603,  no worries.  OK, and these are true dual booting ?
[09:21] <sidusnare> I set the timeout to 1, it still waits for me to press enter
[09:22] <gr1603> I am going to have a try with running "sudo update grub"
[09:22] <jnhghy> cfhowlett: me again, hope you don't feel like I'm harassing you, I decided I will go to ubuntu 12.04, upgrading would be an option? or should I do a fresh install? I prefer upgrade if it causes no issues....?
[09:22] <gr1603> see you later
[09:23] <llutz> sidusnare: "grep time /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[09:23] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, no worries
[09:23] <dr_willis> its   update-grub
[09:23] <llutz> sidusnare: grep "set default"  /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:23] <gr1603> ok
[09:24] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, from 11.04 I'd highly recommend a fresh installation... Download the iso via torrents, make a booot usb/cd and go to town.  to upgrade you'd have to go 11.04 > 11.10 > 12.04
[09:24] <Skyrdr> Okidoki.. So, I shouldn't use Wubi.
[09:24] <Skyrdr> How else can I install ubuntu as dual-boot with Windows?
[09:24] <dr_willis> a normal install can dual boot Skyrdr
[09:24] <cfhowlett> Skyrdr, wubi is for testing ubuntu not for long term installation - sayeth the developers
[09:25] <jnhghy> cfhowlett: I see well I'm going from 11.10 to 12.04 so I started the upgrade thanks.
[09:25] <cfhowlett> !dual|Skyrdr,
[09:25] <dr_willis> wubi us not a normal install
[09:25] <cfhowlett> jnhghy, good deal ...
[09:25] <dr_willis> wubi is best avoided. ;-)
[09:25] <Skyrdr> Heh, I figured. I can't even use Wubi
[09:26] <Skyrdr> mbr issues..
[09:26] <cfhowlett> !LTS|jnhghy,   not that 12.04 is LTS so you don't "have" to upgrade for  5 years!
[09:26] <Skyrdr> Besides.. I can't even install Ubuntu atm...
[09:26] <Skyrdr> As I mentioned yesterday, it can only find the entire HDD to install it on.
[09:26] <Skyrdr> Rather than existing partitions.
[09:27] <cfhowlett> Skyrdr, seen this before ... was this HDD ever formatted for gpt?
[09:28] <Skyrdr> cfhowlett: Doubtful.
[09:28] <Skyrdr> I always used Windows.
[09:28] <cfhowlett> Skyrdr, mmmm
[09:30] <arand> cfhowlett: I think you meant "note" rather than "not" there ;)
[09:30] <brightknight> Ubuntu: Whats the deal that I cant seem to get keys imported to seahorse, everything seems dumbed down and broke.
[09:30] <cfhowlett> arand, )(*_)(*#$!!!! right.  thanks.
[09:30] <llutz> hrhrhr "traceroute -m66 216.81.59.173"
[09:30] <llutz> oops, wrong window
[09:31] <brightknight> What is going on here?
[09:31] <brightknight> Does 10.04 still use the 2.xx kernel?
[09:32] <xxx> hey guys, please help...how to access to ubuntu server directly as root user using ssh? i can't seems to access the remote server even i enable PermitRootLogin
[09:32] <Oblivion1500> so on the ubuntu server, why do i get an auth fail when i su? is it because my name is root instead of root? or whatever? still should i get a auth fail when trying to su? is there a default pass for su?
[09:32] <samr> how to creat free space on hdd for linux install...where windows 7 is installed & i want stay this..
[09:32] <llutz> xxx: root-account is locked by default, you can't. use sudo
[09:32] <cfhowlett> Oblivion1500, "root" is a forbidden user name
[09:33] <auronandace> !info linux-image lucid | brightknight
[09:33] <cfhowlett> !gparted|samr,
[09:33] <xxx> thanks llutz..but is there anyway to breach that?
[09:33] <brightknight> auronandace: looks like what i want
[09:34] <llutz> xxx: there is no need to do so but yes, there is
[09:34] <Oblivion1500> ..... uhm what? so, ... wait, uhm how the hell am i supposed to do all the good stuff? can i just do this by default?
[09:34] <llutz> xxx: PermitRootLogin yes    is a really bad idea
[09:34] <xxx> llutz: how? please help
[09:34] <ikonia> !sudo | Oblivion1500
[09:34] <arand> samr: The Ubuntu installer should take care of that if you want to do a fairly normal install at least.
[09:35] <Oblivion1500> ok so i can sudo i just cant get into root
[09:35] <Oblivion1500> or as root
[09:35] <ikonia> Oblivion1500: you don't need root
[09:35] <xxx> actually yes, but i'm enabling it only everytime i setup my first web application server
[09:35] <ikonia> Oblivion1500: that is the point of sudo - it's for your own security
[09:35] <ubuntuw1204> how to check whether root is disabled or enabled
[09:35] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: it's disabled
[09:36] <Oblivion1500> .... im confused. i can still get into everything i need to right?
[09:36] <ikonia> Oblivion1500: you can do anything you would need to do using sudo
[09:36] <dr_willis> Oblivion1500:  with sudo yes
[09:36] <ubuntuw1204> ikonia: how do u know
[09:36] <Oblivion1500> ok good thanks
[09:36] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: because it's disabled by default
[09:37] <dr_willis> you did make a user at install Oblivion1500 ?
[09:37] <ubuntuw1204> ikonia: and if i enabled and now i don;t remember then?
[09:37] <Oblivion1500> yea
[09:37] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: you'd remember enabling it
[09:37] <xxx> llutz: please tell me how to access ubuntu server as root..im just doing it everytime im uploading a big bunch of web application
[09:37] <ikonia> xxx: you don't need root to upload a web application
[09:37] <llutz> xxx: there is no need to ssh in as root, use your user and sudo to setup your env
[09:38] <cfhowlett> xxx, this is YOUR system you're trying to access?
[09:38] <xxx> llutz: then please tell me how to, other ways?
[09:38] <llutz> xxx: sudo, chown/chmod   as keywords
[09:38] <brightknight> ubuntuw1204: seems like ubuntu doesnt have a tool to check it
[09:38] <ubuntuw1204> ikonia: yes, i think so?
[09:38]  * cfhowlett ... *sniffs* air suspiciously.  
[09:38] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: so lock it, "sudo passwd -l root"
[09:39] <ikonia> brightknight: you don't need a tool, just look at the shadow file
[09:39] <ikonia> or the password file to see if it's locked
[09:39] <brightknight> ikonia: oh wheres it?
[09:39] <brightknight> things keep moving
[09:39]  * dr_willis is sometimes scared by what he sees in here.  ;)
[09:39] <xxx> cfhowlett: yap, the big issue was, i cant upload a file using flezilla directly to /var/www folder using sftp if I did not use root login
[09:39] <ikonia> brightknight: this has never moved ever
[09:40] <brightknight> ikonia: the shadow file is the password file i thought
[09:40] <ikonia> xxx: then you fix permissions
[09:40] <dr_willis> its been in /etc/ for err... decades? ;)
[09:40] <ikonia> brightknight: no it's not
[09:41] <ubuntuw1204> ikonia: actually i want to know, how to check whether root is enabled or disabled, that's it.
[09:41] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: just lock it, then you know it's not
[09:41] <ikonia> that will put your fears away
[09:42] <brightknight> ubuntuw1204: look at /etc/shadow
[09:42] <ubuntuw1204> "sudo passwd -l root" right
[09:42] <brightknight> wait not sure that would work since there should be a shadow even if its locked
[09:42] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: correct
[09:43] <brightknight> I think the locking is defined by the password expiration date
[09:43] <ubuntuw1204> waht about the recent java threat?
[09:43] <ubuntuw1204> is ubutnu safe?
[09:43] <ikonia> brightknight: no, its not
[09:43] <brightknight> So to see if its enabled or not you need to be able to see the expiration date
[09:43] <f0r3st> hi guys
[09:43] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: it's locked
[09:43] <Flannel> brightknight: look in shadow, and verify that the password hash has a '!' in it.
[09:43] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: it's as safe as you make it
[09:43] <Kiiksu> hey
[09:44] <Kiiksu> can anybody help me with smth
[09:44] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, ask with details
[09:44] <ubuntuw1204> how  to make safe if am using java
[09:44] <ubuntuw1204> on the internet jre enabled
[09:44] <cfhowlett> ubuntuw1204, java is UNsafe.  Don't use java.
[09:44] <dr_willis> be sure your java is updated to the latest that has the fixs ?
[09:45] <brightknight> ubuntu is not safe its open source
[09:45] <Kiiksu> I have been trying to install Hamachi to my computer and all the guides say I have to use the command "sudo tuncfg" but when I try to use the command then it says that the command was not found
[09:45] <ubuntuw1204> cfhowlett: that;s what i read in the news..
[09:45] <brightknight> the only way to have security is to use closed source
[09:45] <Ben64> brightknight: uh... don't bring silly thinking in here
[09:45] <dr_willis> !fud | brightknight
[09:45] <ikonia> brightknight: please stop with life
[09:45] <ikonia> lies
[09:45] <dr_willis> ikonia:  first was better.. ;P
[09:45] <ikonia> brightknight: that is just made up nonsense, please do not spread it here
[09:45] <ikonia> dr_willis: first was unacceptable
[09:45] <brightknight> compiled from scratch on your own between the two machines in use as far as internet goes
[09:45] <dr_willis> made me about spew my soda however.. ;P
[09:45] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, nope not in 12.04.
[09:46] <brightknight> even binary gets crack so you would need a hueristically compiled system for better security
[09:46] <ikonia> brightknight: final warning - stop with the lies
[09:46] <Kiiksu> Well how do I install hamachi then, I havent found a guide that doesnt use a command tuncfg
[09:46] <brightknight> it isnt a lie
[09:47] <ubuntuw1204> brightknight: you use closed source if u want to we all know how safe windos is
[09:47] <brightknight> just a matter of taste
[09:47] <Ben64> Kiiksu: isn't hamachi a windows thing?
[09:47] <cfhowlett> brightknight, any other actual support questions?
[09:47] <ikonia> ubuntuw1204: lets not go down this route.
[09:47] <brightknight> windows isnt really closed source
[09:47] <Kiiksu> It is but there should be a way to get it working on ubuntu
[09:47] <Ben64> Kiiksu: why
[09:48] <Ben64> it's a lame implementation of a vps, usually for people who can't figure out how to open ports
[09:48] <ubuntuw1204> i use jre sometimes for confernecing with ubuntu os  so that's why i am concernced
[09:48] <ubuntuw1204> about java threat
[09:48] <Kiiksu> Cuz im running ubuntu and I want to play games with my friends that they maybe haven't bought
[09:48] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, different OS's, different results...
[09:48] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, sorry to break it to you, but unless that specific program has been backward engineered to work on linu ...
[09:48] <Ben64> just tell them to buy minecraft and/or terraria
[09:49] <Kiiksu> So basically there is no way to create a LAN network in linux that can coexist within Windows?
[09:49] <Kiiksu> Co-exists*
[09:49] <Ben64> thats not what hamachi is
[09:49] <Kiiksu> It basically creates a LAN network between different computers that are connected to the interrnet
[09:49] <Kiiksu> its a VLAN if im not mistaken
[09:49] <Ben64> vpn
[09:50] <Kiiksu> or VPN
[09:50] <Kiiksu> ok
[09:50] <dr_willis> !info openvpn
[09:50] <cfhowlett> Kiiksu, virtual box + windows + your game ... fixed.
[09:50] <Kiiksu> The thing I want to achieve is to run a server so they can join aswell
[09:51] <Kiiksu> We tried to do that without a VPN and it didnt work
[09:51] <dr_willis> I need to look into vpn's someday also.  :) such a handy tool it seems i know so little about.
[09:51] <Kiiksu> openvpn seems like it could work
[09:51] <rkhshm> does the AIO library come by default in 2.6 kernels?
[09:51] <Ben64> or you know... just buy the game legally
[09:51] <Kiiksu> No
[09:51] <Kiiksu> thats not the problem
[09:51] <Kiiksu> we both have the game
[09:52] <Kiiksu> but we want to run a server
[09:52] <FloodBot1> Kiiksu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:52] <Ben64> key word there is legally
[09:52] <dr_willis> If you had a Ubuntu VPS. you can then install OpenVPN on it and have pcs  from around the internet connect to it and they all see each other as if they were on a local lan correct?
[09:52] <Ben64> dr_willis: yeah
[09:52] <llutz> dr_willis: if your VPS has tun/tap support, yes
[09:53] <Ben64> thats usually what vpns are used for. insecure communication over a secure tunnel. like using vnc over ssh
[09:53] <rkhshm> guys any info.. where can i find the AIO interface.
[09:54] <Ben64> rkhshm: explain more?
[09:54] <nn0101> rkhshm: man 7 aio
[09:54] <rkhshm> linux AIO (async IO) is  a library that provides aio_read, aio_write .. APIS..
[09:54] <rkhshm> nn0101: i have the done that.
[09:55] <npaz_> Hello Everybody!
[09:55] <david__> hello. i'm new to all of this and have quite some problems getting my nvidia card working (optimus) ... macbook pro with hybrid intel / nvidia... any tips for me?
[09:55] <Ben64> !info libaio1 | rkhshm
[09:55] <cfhowlett> npaz_, greetings
[09:56] <npaz_> :)
[09:56] <nn0101> rkhshm: its in libc
[09:57] <npaz_> Im pretty new at all of this irc things. But cfhowlett. You have a yellow name. What does that stand for?
[09:57] <rkhshm> nn0101: in that case http://pastie.org/6193102
[09:57] <rkhshm> why i see that.
[09:57] <cfhowlett> npaz_, couldn't even begin to guess ... something to do with your particular IRC client
[09:58] <bazhang> !tab | npaz_
[09:58] <npaz_> ctfhowlett, oh okey so its not like your a moderator then?
[09:58] <david__> anyone? :D :D
[09:58] <godzilla48> hi
[09:59] <bazhang> npaz_, it is just your client. if your nick and message is red, then someone has appended you r nick to it (at least in some clients)
[09:59] <cfhowlett> npaz_, I am NOT a mod.  They wouldn 't have me.  probably just means I highlighted YOUR name in conversation
[09:59] <cfhowlett> godzilla48, greetings
[09:59] <npaz_> Oh, okey cool.
[09:59] <nn0101> rkhshm: because aiocb is a struct.
[09:59] <nn0101> rkhshm: ##c
[10:00] <godzilla48> been a long while since I use IRC
[10:00] <nn0101> struct aiocb*
[10:00] <dr_willis> just been reading up at the DigitalOcean site/guide on their vps services. :) havent seen tun/tap mentioned yet. will read some more.
[10:00] <Douglas> I would like to open the code of this site, so that more gaming websites would me created: http://www.jogosdemoto.net.br/
[10:00] <npaz_> So, does any of you guys use metasploit?
[10:00] <nn0101> maybe
[10:00] <Douglas> Someone would help me?
[10:01] <nn0101> npaz_: #metasploit
[10:01] <cfhowlett> !patience|Douglas,
[10:01] <Skyrdr> Well this is odd..
[10:01] <Douglas> It's an organized code.
[10:01] <Skyrdr> Currently have launched Gparted live.
[10:02] <Skyrdr> My HDD is "unallocated"
[10:02] <Skyrdr> While it has 3/4 NTFS partitions.
[10:02] <npaz_> How do i change irc-server?
[10:02] <Skyrdr> If I connect my external HDD, it finds the NTFS partitions just fine.
[10:04] <david__> how can i downgrade my intel graphics drivers? on 12.10 now
[10:04] <david__> thanks
[10:04] <bla_> hi
[10:04] <bla_> when I try to install ubuntu in UEFI mode all I get is a black screen after choosing an option. I've tried nomodeset and xforcevesa without luck.
[10:06] <Skyrdr> So help would be nice :D
[10:06] <cfhowlett> bla_, what version of ubuntu?  what hardware?
[10:07] <cfhowlett> !details|bla_
[10:07] <dr_willis> Skyrdr:  you mean the system sees your external ntfs disk. but not the internal one?
[10:07] <Skyrdr> Well, define system.
[10:07] <Skyrdr> Gparted shows my entire HDD as unallocated.
[10:07] <bla_> Ok. I've tried Ubuntu 12.10, Kubuntu 12.10, Kubuntu 13.04, all without luck. When I change to Legacy BIOS Mode it works without problems. It's a MSI GE60 and a Nvidia GeForce GTX 660M and an Intel Core i7 3630M
[10:08] <Skyrdr> While as you said, the external shows the partitions just fine.
[10:08] <bla_> It's in dual graphics mode I can't change this setting in the BIOS/EFI
[10:08] <Skyrdr> With entire HDD I do mean internal, yes.
[10:08] <dr_willis> gparted shows the internal disk as unallocated.  how about sudo parted -l,  or sudo fdisk -l, or sudo blkid
[10:08] <cfhowlett> bla_, so run it in legacy bios mode ???
[10:08] <bla_> yes
[10:08] <bla_> well ok, I just wanted to use a Dual Boot
[10:08] <Skyrdr> Let me see if I can find the terminal.
[10:09] <bla_> Windows and Kubuntu. It only works in UEFI mode
[10:09] <dr_willis> tap super. type 'terminal' ;)
[10:09] <cfhowlett> bla_, and nomodeset doesn't work???
[10:09] <bla_> no
[10:09] <bla_> just get a black screen
[10:09] <bla_> there is "
[10:10] <bla_> there is a line with "--" in the GRUB boot options. I've tried to insert nomodeset before it but still a black screen
[10:10] <Skyrdr> Oki, I used dusk fdisk -l
[10:10] <Skyrdr> ** sudo
[10:10] <Skyrdr> I see a bunch of hdd info, what am I looking for exactly?
[10:10] <dr_willis> should show the internatl hd with what partions are on it
[10:10] <bla_> also in BIOS mode, when I try to install the nvidia drivers I'm stuck in 640x480 resolution and have to reinstall Kubuntu
[10:11] <dr_willis> actually it will show all hds :) internal and external
[10:14] <Skyrdr> This is what I see
[10:14] <Skyrdr> http://i.imgur.com/W66nOf8.jpg
[10:14] <Skyrdr> http://i.imgur.com/LBegUTh.jpg
[10:16] <dinosaur_rye> 。
[10:16] <RAVEN737> FUCKING OPSDFVIUF SHIT
[10:16] <Skyrdr> Unsure what to do so now :(
[10:16] <DJones> !language | RAVEN737
[10:17] <RAVEN737> i just installed ubuntu for the 8th time and installe dupdates now i can't boot only see gtrub wTF
[10:17] <Huddleston> sooo how would I extend the allolocated drive space for ubuntu? I wanna give it 80Gb
[10:18] <bla_> Huddleston: With a partition manager like GParted?
[10:18] <RAVEN737> 'need to restart' now nothing works fuk great
[10:18] <ry|an> RAVEN737 have you perhaps tried some other linux distros? like gentoo
[10:18] <Skyrdr> Oddly enough though..
[10:18] <Skyrdr> GParted does show the internal HDD partitions on the desktop.
[10:18] <RAVEN737>  never had any problems wuith debian.. how did you manage THAT?
[10:19] <cfhowlett> raven, reboot.  try to login to an older version of ubuntu.
[10:19] <RAVEN737> ok so no error, just neatly boots to 'minimal bash-like; etc.. can this be fixed?
[10:20] <dr_willis> thats the grub shell... your bootloader/grub is broke sounds like
[10:20] <dr_willis> !fixgrub
[10:20] <dr_willis> or is that the busybox shell.
[10:20] <Huddleston> bla_: I used ubuntu with Windows 7, if I use something like that to take a free 80Gb will it be okay on the Windows side?
[10:20] <RAVEN737> it says gnu grub at teh toip.. but no error
[10:21] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  windoes will want to check/scan the windows partions aftger they get resized. but it should work. you should have backups befor doing any resizeing of partitions
[10:21] <bla_> Huddleston: I don't know, I'm not an expert. Is your drive using GPT orMBR?
[10:21] <cfhowlett> RAVEN737, yes it can probably be fixed.  reinstall grub
[10:21] <Skyrdr> So yea, I r stuck
[10:21] <cfhowlett> !grub|RAVEN737,
[10:21] <Huddleston> bla_: no idea, I just started today
[10:21] <RAVEN737> cfhowlett: how do i do that.. if i can't boot?
[10:21] <RAVEN737> ok
[10:21] <dr_willis> RAVEN737:  a live cd is the normal way
[10:22] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I have a windows Repair disk, will that work?
[10:22] <bla_> Huddleston: You might try  gdisk -l /dev/sda and tell if it's using MBR or GPT
[10:23] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  work for what? windows can resize its own partions while windows is running.. if you plan on shrinking wwindows.. then you can use gparted  and a live cd to enlarge the linux side
[10:23] <RAVEN737> oh man i might as well reinstall from scratch then.. oh.. i think i know why it f'up .. i chose xfs as fs on install.. iw roekd fine.. until updates :((
[10:23] <bla_> Usually if it is GPT it should work. That's also the problem on my side, because I can't install Ubuntu in UEFI mode
[10:23] <Skyrdr> You know what...
[10:23] <Skyrdr> I give up on this internal hdd..
[10:23] <dr_willis> No idea if grub has issues with xfs or not.
[10:23] <Skyrdr> I think it's an overlapping hdd/partition issue.
[10:24] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I wanna extend ubuntu from 30Gb to 80Gb
[10:24] <dr_willis> Skyrdr:  thats possible.  ive seen windows hds bein some very weird states
[10:24] <Skyrdr> As such, I'll just add a 200gb hdd (old one) and use that one instead.. :)
[10:24] <Skyrdr> I think that's the easy solution
[10:24] <RAVEN737> all i want is my tf2 pinguine >_<./. i have been at this since 9 in the morning *cry*
[10:24] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  so shrink windows partiion, enlarge the linux one.. its doable from a Ubuntu luve cd with gparted
[10:24] <Skyrdr> RAVEN.. Try using VMWare..
[10:24] <Skyrdr> I installed it yesterday and got my Tux a few hours later.
[10:24] <Ben64> : /
[10:24] <dr_willis> RAVEN737:  you can do a full install to a 16gb usb flash drive if you really wanted to
[10:24] <Ben64> they should only let linux users get tux
[10:25] <Huddleston> dr_willis: thing is... I want windows to take the remaining left, I want ubuntu at a fixed 80GB
[10:25] <dr_willis> The things people do for in game collectables...
[10:25] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  so you want to shrink ubuntu and enlarge windows?
[10:25] <bla_> So   does anybody have other ideas beside xforcevesa and nomodeset? Because all I get is a black screen in UEFI mode
[10:26] <Skyrdr> Okidoki, second HDD time.
[10:26] <bla_> Maybe it's because of the dual graphics (Intel/Nvidia), but I can't disable that in BIOS
[10:26] <RAVEN737> thanks for the help.. i will try again
[10:26] <pongo> :P
[10:26] <Huddleston> dr_willis: Okay... I know I suck at tanslations... but i'm trying here... right now ubuntu sucks up 30Gb and windows uses the rest, I want to extend ubuntu to 80Gb and still have windows use the remaining portion
[10:27] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  so you want to enlarge linux, and shrink windows...  the ubuntu live cd with gparted can do that. Backup imporntant stuff first...
[10:28] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  depending on how your disk is partioned you may need to do it in several steps with gparted.
[10:28] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I used wubi... I know it's stupid but I don't have any of this stuff atm
[10:28] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  you dontg use partions with wubi.. you just enlarge your wubi hd file
[10:29] <dr_willis> id say defrag your windows setup. be sure you got the empty space on it.. and find a guide on resuzeing a wubi install
[10:29] <Skyrdr> Meh.. wubi
[10:29] <Skyrdr> Couldn't even get that to work
[10:30] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I see... because when I installed today it said "installation size" and the max size was 30Gb, assuming it's what I was allolacated
[10:30] <dr_willis> now i have to go home.. fire up steam on my ubuntu box and get into TF2 just to get a penguin... ;P
[10:30] <Skyrdr> Hah
[10:30] <Skyrdr> I'm going to get 26x Tuxes.
[10:30] <Skyrdr> The more, the better.
[10:30] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  wubi is not ment for long term ussage.. you really need more then 30gb of space with it? if you are doing that much real work in ubuntu. you may want to switch to a normal install
[10:31] <dr_willis> not played TF2 in perhaps a year.. it gets old..
[10:31] <Daniel_GT> Is anyone online building android source succesfully on a 64-bit machine with 12.04 installed? I have a problem initialising the environment.
[10:31] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I'm probably going to be using games and stuff, and TF2 takes 12 Gb minumum
[10:32] <Skyrdr> Speaking of ubuntu
[10:32] <dr_willis>  Huddleston  you should be looking into doing a normal install then and forget wubi exists
[10:32] <dr_willis> there are guides out on resuzeing wubi instgalls past the 30gb  size
[10:32] <Skyrdr> Latest features or LTS
[10:32] <Skyrdr> Does it differ much?
[10:32] <Huddleston> dr_willis: Tried to this morning but the USB didn't work, and I don't think I have bigger than 700Mb disks atm
[10:33] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  use some of the other tools at the pendrivelinux web site.. or just dd the iso straight to the usb
[10:33] <dr_willis> since i have no idea what 'dident work' actually means.  ;)
[10:34] <Huddleston> dr_willis: Ubuntu wouldn't boot from the USB drive when I rebooted my computer, even after setting the BIOS
[10:34] <dr_willis> try the other tools to make the usb
[10:36] <Huddleston> dr_willis: I tried the direct USB, am I supposed to throw the whole .iso itself in there or each file within it?
[10:36] <dr_willis> the direct usb?
[10:36] <Huddleston> dr_willis: slap the files in and pray for the best,
[10:36] <dr_willis> theres a dozen differnt tools that can make a bootable usb from the ISO at the pendrivelinux web site
[10:37] <dr_willis> just drag/dropping  the iso file on the usb is not the correct way...
[10:37] <dr_willis> theres a reason theres a dozen+ tools to make a bootable usb from the iso....
[10:37] <npaz_> Could anyone tell me how to join another channel?
[10:37] <dr_willis> npaz_:   /join #channelnames
[10:37] <Skyrdr>  .. /join #channelname
[10:37] <Skyrdr> :p
[10:38] <Skyrdr> They don't really make it simple for Windows user to install ubuntu as dual..
[10:38] <Skyrdr> But that's m y opinion
[10:38] <dr_willis> they - as in 'microsoft'
[10:38] <npaz_> I did that but nothing happened?
[10:38] <dr_willis> npaz_:   look for any status messages perhaps? or in the server window
[10:39] <dr_willis> npaz_:  where are you trying to join?
[10:39] <cfhowlett> npaz_ what channel did you want?
[10:39] <npaz_> A channel called metasploit.
[10:39] <Huddleston> dr_willis: How would one burn a install CD?
[10:39] <dr_willis> and look for any messages of the  tyoe   'regiestered nicks only' npaz_ ?
[10:40] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  theres dozens of iso burner apps out for windows and linux.
[10:40] <dr_willis> !burn
[10:40] <dr_willis> infrarecorder is a good one on windows.. thers others
[10:40] <dr_willis> 12.10 needs a dvd
[10:41] <cfhowlett> npaz_, same thing here.  NO reaction to the command ... channel might be gone
[10:41] <npaz_> If you want to dual boot just use wubi. Search "wubi" in google.
[10:41] <Huddleston> npaz_: the stupidity of the situation is that it only gives me 30Gb
[10:41] <dr_willis>  i joined #metasploit just fine
[10:41] <cfhowlett> npaz_, wubi is for TESTING ubuntu, not for long-term installation.  Thus say the wubi developers
[10:41] <dr_willis>  regiestered nicks only i imagine
[10:42] <dr_willis> Huddleston:  as i mentioned.. there are tools out for windows to resize that 30gb to somthing bigger.. but its best to get away from wubi
[10:42] <npaz_> ohh shit. Cant you use a virtuell dvd? Like poweriso or deamon-tools ?
[10:42] <dr_willis> you dontt use deamon tools or poweriso to BOOT/install ubuntu onto the hard drive
[10:42] <npaz_> or right. My bad.
[10:42] <npaz_> oh*
[10:42] <dr_willis> you make a bootable USB or DVD
[10:43] <Huddleston> dr_willis: sooo obviously it needs to be a DVD and a CD rom won't work?
[10:43] <dr_willis> you could use the wubi install to 'dd' the iso file straight to USB
[10:43] <dr_willis> 12.10+ ubuntu needs a DVD
[10:43] <cfhowlett> npaz_, actually, metasploit DID respond ... #metasploit :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[10:43] <dr_willis> cfhowlett:  ;)
[10:43] <npaz_> Oh okey hehe.
[10:44] <dr_willis> Most channels need you to regiester/identify these days it seems
[10:44] <bla_> /ECHO
[10:44] <bla_> ups
[10:44] <bla_> sorr
[10:44] <bla_> y
[10:44] <FloodBot1> bla_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:44] <gh0sthead> hey guys
[10:45] <Huddleston> dr_willis: So would it be easier to just go buy some DVD-ROM's than mess around with Trying to make my USB into an installation disk?
[10:45] <Skyrdr> Anyone here familiar with Linux Live USB creator? (lili)
[10:45] <Skyrdr> If so, step 3, persistance.. (Choose how much MB to write) is not required for installation, correct?
[10:45] <Skyrdr> Only for live usage.
[10:46] <nibbler__> Skyrdr: correct. even there its only optional
[10:46] <dr_willis> you havent even tried a proper tool to make a bootable  usb.....
[10:46] <Skyrdr> Awesome, thanks.
[10:46] <Skyrdr> I wish to install it on my second hdd which I just installed.
[10:46] <Skyrdr> So I don't need live.
[10:46] <npaz_> Just burn the iso file?
[10:46] <dr_willis> lili is a little annoying. but it works
[10:47] <Skyrdr> As long as it works :)
[10:47] <gh0sthead> can someone explain to me why I can't chat with my friend with the command /chat <nickname> ?
[10:47] <gh0sthead> connection timeout
[10:47] <Skyrdr> Try /query nickname
[10:48] <gh0sthead> it works
[10:49] <gh0sthead> why didnt chat command work?
[10:49] <Huddleston> dr_willis: and after all that how do I uninstall wubi's boot?
[10:49] <Skyrdr> As you would remove a normal software in windows
[10:49] <Skyrdr> Ubuntu is under the uninstall software list
[10:50] <dr_willis> wubis main feature is it puts an entry in the software list
[10:50] <gh0sthead> Skyrdr thank you!
[10:50] <Skyrdr> Beats me, depends on the client gh0sthead
[10:50] <Skyrdr> Some supports /chat, but mainly it's /query
[10:50] <Huddleston> well that's convinient, what about the .iso ubuntu? how does one kill off that when I don't want it anymore?
[10:50] <Skyrdr> but np.
[10:51] <bekks> Huddleston: Delete it...?
[10:51] <bekks> Huddleston: Even in Windows, files can be deleted.
[10:52] <Huddleston> bekks: yes, let's remove an entire operating system from windows
[10:52] <bekks> Huddleston: You were asking about a single .iso file in your laste question.
[10:53] <Huddleston> bekks: .iso ubuntu as in installed from a CD instead of wubi
[10:53] <Skyrdr> If I install Ubuntu on my second hdd..
[10:53] <bekks> Huddleston: And when you dont need that .iso file anymore, you can delete it.
[10:53] <Skyrdr> Will the installation overwrite any boot records?
[10:53] <Skyrdr> I prefer to keep the dual boot.
[10:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> I have a DLink DW-160 usb wifi card, ub. 12.04x64. I am looking to get it working, but the site referenced by any guide I find in the forums, askubuntu, etc, refuses to load. can anyone help?
[10:53] <bekks> Huddleston: Thats whats you were asking, and thats what has been answered.
[10:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> grub takes over booting, and you can boot both os's Skyrdr
[10:54] <Huddleston> bekks: okay cool
[10:54] <Skyrdr> Sweet, thanks.
[10:54] <Daniel_GT> Is anyone online building android source successfully on a 64-bit machine with 12.04 installed? I have a problem initialising the environment
[10:55] <Skyrdr> Would it be wise to disable my windows internal hdd..
[10:55] <Skyrdr> To be sure I won't overwrite / format the wrong hdd?
[10:55] <histo> Daniel_GT: /j #android
[10:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> not sure, I never did a dual hdd dual boot with windows and ub.
[10:56] <bekks> Skyrdr: That way grub will not discover your windows to create a menu entry for booting.
[10:56] <Skyrdr> I never got the option "install with windows alongside" or something either.
[10:56] <Daniel_GT> The problem is with the files to be installed in Ubuntu, I understand what I should do (the android guidelines) but Ubuntu won't let me!?
[10:57] <Skyrdr> True that, but I never installed Ubuntu before.
[10:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> fellas I'm on a tenuous connection running irssi, if someone could pastbin the contents of the site I would be eternally grateful
[10:57] <bekks> Skyrdr: well...
[10:58] <histo> !dualboot | Skyrdr
[10:58] <Huddleston> anyways... I think i'm done with here ... later
[10:58] <Daniel_GT> histo: specifically http://askubuntu.com/questions/256487/initialising-the-build-environment-for-android-on-64-bit-12-04
[10:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> this is the link, anyone? http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/229-ubuntu-precise-dlink-dwa160-revb2
[11:00] <cfhowlett> ntzrmtthihu777, works fine for me...
[11:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> I cannot reach it either on my buntu box or my win7 allinone
[11:01] <kepler> works fine for me
[11:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> I can't even wget -pk the damn thing
[11:02] <cfhowlett> ntzrmtthihu777, try it with https:// in front
[11:02] <ioria> ntzrmtthihu777:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1662549/
[11:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> cfhowlett: I swear to god if that does it....
[11:02] <kepler> ntzrmtthihu777: try http://87.88.254.143
[11:02] <kepler> actually, that is weird
[11:03] <kepler> dyndns is pointing to 87.88.254.143
[11:03] <cfhowlett> ntzrmtthihu777, see loria's link ... nicely done, Loria!
[11:03] <kepler> looks like they have it routed different
[11:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> thankyou thankyou thankyou!
[11:04] <ioria> ^O^
[11:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> I'm good enough at buntu to follow instructions, and even forge off on my own with guidelines, but this was outta my league to do blindly. ioria, thank you so much, I am eternally gratefull. If you should ever need something I can provide, do not hesitate to ask
[11:06] <cfhowlett> !cookie|ioria,
[11:07] <Delux> what dictates that a disk a sda, sdb and so on? Is it the SATA port it's plugged into on the motherboard? Is it boot priority in BIOS?
[11:07] <ioria> ntzrmtthihu777:  you're wellcome
[11:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> sda would be hd0 I believe, Delux
[11:08] <HackerZedi> I upgraded my Kernel to 3.2.0-38 and now the computer hangs everytime I login. It works pretty fine when I use the previous version of the kernel. Does anyone have a solution?
[11:08] <Delux> so without physically moving sata cables I cannot change what shows as sda, sdb and so on?
[11:09] <histo> Delux: correct. but you should be using uuid's
[11:09] <Delux> uuid does not help me during install
[11:09] <histo> Delux: So why does it matter what sdx they are?
[11:10] <jared__> who has gnome3 on ubuntu
[11:10] <Delux> because booting to sde and loading the GRUB Loader on something other then sda can be troublesome
[11:11] <jared__> how many
[11:11] <bekks> !poll | jared__
[11:11] <histo> Delux: Doesn't really matter. Grub uses different naming conventions and again when you are booting youare using UUID in your fstab also.
[11:12] <Delux> fstab is great after install is done
[11:12] <jared__> shanty
[11:12] <Delux> but during installation I keep having failure when trying to load GRUB loader on something other then sda
[11:12] <histo> Delux: it's only for your sanity that the installer still says sdx
[11:13] <histo> Delux: Because the drive that is sda is probably already marked as bootable.
[11:13] <jared__> ok bye
[11:13] <Delux> nope
[11:14] <histo> Delux: You can select which ever drive you want to install grub to. If it will only default to sda just tell it no
[11:14] <xjdesx> hey
[11:14] <Delux> histo, I deleted every partition other then the partition on sde
[11:14] <Delux> and it fails
[11:14] <Delux> everytime
[11:14] <xjdesx> can someone help me with something
[11:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> Delux: I have personally installed ubuntu fully to a usb key from a sdcard on a this laptop, so from sda to sdc, and it gave me no issue
[11:14] <histo> Delux: How does it fail do you get an error?
[11:14] <bekks> xjdesx: How can we know?
[11:14] <xjdesx> I am trying to use aircrack-ng
[11:14] <histo> Delux: I've also installed grub to all kinds of block devices
[11:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> erm, sdb to sdc
[11:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> xjdesx: #aircrack-ng
[11:15] <xjdesx> I k
[11:15] <xjdesx> #aircrack-ng
[11:15] <xjdesx> lol
[11:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> I use bt5r3, but this is not where you get support for that
[11:15] <histo> Delux: To answer your question you can't change it. Grub doesn't even understand sda so it doesn't matter you are experiencing some other issue.
[11:15] <xjdesx> where can i get support for t?
[11:16] <xjdesx> I'm new to this whole IRC ubuntu
[11:16] <histo> Delux: you'd ahve to move cables
[11:16] <cfhowlett> !backtrack|xjdesx,
[11:16] <ikonia> xjdesx: #aircrack-ng as you've just been told
[11:16] <xjdesx> i know i typed that but it didn'hingt do anyt
[11:16] <xjdesx> anything
[11:16] <xjdesx> i'm new to IRC....dont know how to use
[11:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> ikonia: he probably came here automatically. xjdesx: type /join #aircrack-ng
[11:16] <ikonia> xjdesx: /join #aircrack-ng or /join ##backtrack-linux
[11:17] <xjdesx> thank you!
[11:17] <k1l_> xjdesx: that is not a twitter hashtag, that is a channel you should enter for support
[11:17] <Delux> trying again now histo
[11:17] <ioria> xjdesx: sniffing is bad, my mom says :P
[11:18] <rexleo> Hellu all, I have managed to hide/uninstall my toolbar, is there a way to get it back?
[11:18] <k1l_> rexleo: which desktop?
[11:19] <rexleo> vanilla ubuntu
[11:19] <k1l_> that means unity? and which version of ubuntu?
[11:19] <rexleo> latest, was up to date yesterday
[11:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> xD unity?
[11:19] <rexleo> yes unity
[11:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> latest, what do you mean, latest precise, latest quantal?
[11:20] <k1l_> rexleo: yo you need to reset the launcher bar on the left?
[11:21] <rexleo> ubuntu 12.10 and updated it yesterday
[11:22]  * xjdesx anyone know the channel for Xbconnect?
[11:22] <xjdesx> #Xbconnect ...but it's on dynasty.net
[11:22] <ikonia> xjdesx: join that network ?
[11:22] <k1l_> xjdesx: then connect to the other network.
[11:23] <k1l_> rexleo: ok then try some "unity --reset-icons && unity --reset" in a terminal. but that will erase all the launcher settings made before
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:24] <rexleo> kll: i will try, thanks
[11:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> did I just lose connection for a bit?
[11:27] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: yes
[11:28] <Fuzzles> steam gives me an error about updateing open gl when i try to play TF2
[11:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> man I needa get this card running, lol.
[11:29] <histo> Fuzzles: what drivers are you using?
[11:29] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: What chipset does that card use?
[11:30] <Fuzzles> histo, the only one listed in the additional drivers, its an ati radeion hd 3 series i think
[11:30] <ubuntu-studio> web cam
[11:31] <histo> !webcam | ubuntu-studio
[11:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> not entirely sure, histo. following a guide ioria was kind enough to pastebin for me *love*
[11:32] <Skyrdr> Installed ubuntu on my Second HDD
[11:32] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: lspci    will show you which chipset
[11:32] <Skyrdr> Getting "installing bootloader failed"
[11:32] <Skyrdr> Any help would be appreciated :)
[11:32] <ikonia> Skyrdr: long shot...raid disk ?
[11:32] <histo> Skyrdr: Where are you trying to install the boot loader to?
[11:32] <ikonia> Skyrdr: efi ?
[11:33] <Skyrdr> RAID? Nope.
[11:33] <ikonia> Skyrdr: where are you installing the boot loader, and how
[11:33] <Skyrdr> I assume the bootloader installs default on the HDD I'm installing it to.
[11:33] <Skyrdr> I haven't selected anything yet..
[11:33] <Skyrdr> I assume it installs it currently on /dev/sda
[11:33] <Fuzzles> histo, any ideas?
[11:33] <histo> Skyrdr: You should install it to the drive you nomrally boot the machine off of.
[11:33] <ikonia> Skyrdr: no, it installs on the mbr of the boot hard disk
[11:34]  * riderplus is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On]
[11:34] <histo> Fuzzles: haven't got a clue
[11:34] <Skyrdr> ah, okidoki, main hdd.
[11:34] <Skyrdr> Thanks.
[11:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> ah, I knew that, and the data matches the guide. I'm just not sure which part is the chipset, to be honest
[11:34] <Skyrdr> The "boot" hdd is the windows hdd though.
[11:34] <Skyrdr> I should select that one?
[11:34] <welovefree> is ubuntu supports games "like windows"?
[11:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> histo: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 2001:3c1a D-Link Corp.
[11:34]  * riderplus is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 0 min 53 secs
[11:34] <ikonia> !away > riderplus
[11:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> some, not all welovefree
[11:35] <cfhowlett> !games|welovefree,
[11:35] <ikonia> welovefree: no, it really doesn't
[11:35] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: What it's usb device?
[11:35] <Ronalds_M> hello
[11:36] <cfhowlett> Ronalds_M, greetings
[11:36] <histo> welovefree: steam on linux now also
[11:36] <Prikkebeen> @welovefree steam is also available on linux now (beta)
[11:36] <ikonia> it's in a beta stage, and very limited though
[11:36] <Ronalds_M> I have kde and unity side by side, and lightdm has been themed as well
[11:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> dev 003, it said.
[11:36] <welovefree> because I really like ubuntu it's safe and great what keeps me on windwos is the games matters
[11:36] <Ronalds_M> how to bring back stock lightdm theme
[11:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 2001:3c1a D-Link Corp. I am not entirely knowledgable in this area
[11:37] <Skyrdr> Oke.. It seems Ubuntu is attempting to install the bootloader on my main HDD with windows on it.
[11:37] <welovefree> histo: i've heared that EA also
[11:37] <Skyrdr> Of which, failed.
[11:37] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: Is it plugged in via a USB port?
[11:37] <Skyrdr> So, any advice?
[11:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> yup, if thats what you were asking you shoulda not used too much techie for a simple thing, lol
[11:38] <Ronalds_M> I installed plasma, just so I can theme kde apps I mostly use with unity, in ubuntu style, but it changed style of login manager.
[11:38] <Prikkebeen> just remove the windows hdd
[11:38] <Delux> histo - when running ubuntu from a usb drive, any degrade in performance?
[11:38] <MonkeyDust> welovefree  http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/
[11:38] <thunkee> welovefree: with wine you get some native support, but its not that easy, check http://appdb.winehq.org/ for example
[11:38] <histo> Skyrdr: because it needs to install to the disk not the partitioin so if, windows is on /dev/sda1  it needs to install to /dev/sda
[11:38] <histo> !dualboot | Skyrdr
[11:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> DLink DW-160 revision A
[11:38] <histo> Delux: yes
[11:38] <cfhowlett> Delux, yes, as performance is throttled by ram ...
[11:38] <histo> cfhowlett: ???
[11:39] <histo> Delux: It has to do with the slow reads off of USB.
[11:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> Delux: it never gave me issue, and a usb drive is basically a small ssd.. or do you mean a normal external hdd?
[11:40] <Delux> not going to be sending files to/from usb - i have HDD installed for that just wondering if the OS runs slower
[11:40] <welovefree> thunkee: wine is great but not always
[11:40] <thunkee> welovefree: right :)
[11:40] <Ronalds_M> anybody on lightdm theme>
[11:40] <Ronalds_M> I need to stock it
[11:40] <histo> While USB is like a small SSD its connected through a straw as opposed to a highway that a normal SSD is connected through
[11:41] <histo> more like a coffee stirer
[11:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> ah, gotcha.
[11:41] <histo> USB is slow
[11:41] <MonkeyDust> welovefree  John Carmack from ID suggests to improve wine support, rather than porting games to linux
[11:41] <ikonia> MonkeyDust: and his post doom business have failed
[11:41] <cfhowlett> MonkeyDust, gotta say, that's a short sighted recommendation IMHO
[11:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> see I got a buddy with a dell inspiron mini, but the ssd is burned out and we are both broke, lol. so I made him an install to usb to serv as hdd
[11:42] <histo> oh boy
[11:42] <Delux> histo - if this is being used like a NAS where all transfers on witht he HDD, still a hit in performance?
[11:42] <Prikkebeen> Ronalds M give enlightement a try, runs great
[11:42] <histo> ntzrmtthihu777: Yeah go pick up a cheap normal laptop drive
[11:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> its a mini, will it even fit? damn thing is tiny
[11:42] <welovefree> MonkeyDust: that what it should ve done
[11:43] <histo> Delux: yes
[11:43] <Delux> histo - if this is being used like a NAS where all transfers are with the HDD, still a hit in performance?
[11:43] <Delux> ok
[11:43] <MonkeyDust> welovefree  well, apparently, there was information I missed (see up)
[11:43] <Delux> taking forever to install, that's why I asked
[11:43] <histo> Did you get grub installed yet?
[11:43] <histo> Delux: yeah because USB is slowwwwwwwwww
[11:43] <Delux> not yet
[11:44] <welovefree> MonkeyDust: it's about wine
[11:44] <histo> What's taking for ever to install?
[11:44] <Delux> installing server to a thumb drive
[11:45] <Delux> sounds like it is probably a mistake
[11:45] <welovefree> do you guys think that ubuntu will always be free?
[11:45] <Skyrdr> Awesome.
[11:45] <Skyrdr> ubuntu installed..
[11:45] <Skyrdr> Found windows (2 even) partitions.
[11:45] <Skyrdr> bootloader works.
[11:46] <histo> Delux: Well I guess you could load everything into RAM technically on a NAS box.
[11:46] <Andy80> this morning I've upgraded some packages in Ubuntu... but I don't remember which one... is there a log or an history I can look at?
[11:46] <Prikkebeen> welovefree its what they say, but amazon ís already included so....
[11:46] <Andy80> just to check if I upgraded some pulseaudio packages...
[11:46] <histo> u
[11:47]  * riderplus is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On]
[11:47] <DJones> !away > riderplus
[11:47] <welovefree> Prikkebeen: what do you mean?
[11:47] <histo> Andy80: /var/log/apt?????
[11:47]  * riderplus is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 0 min 37 secs
[11:47] <somsip> Andy80: /var/log/apt/history from memory
[11:47] <Prikkebeen> they are becoming commercial
[11:48] <cfhowlett> welovefree, please discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:48] <DeathMan|> hello
[11:48] <Andy80> bingo
[11:48] <Skyrdr> How does ubuntu actually work with graphic driver/cards?
[11:48] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, greetings
[11:48] <Skyrdr> Some kind of automated installation or do I need to do this myself?
[11:48] <DeathMan|> can someone tell me how to install newest xen on ubuntu?
[11:48] <Andy80> gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio:i386 upgraded, and my subwoofer setup is screwed up again :(
[11:49] <DeathMan|> repost seems to be old and have 4.1
[11:49] <DeathMan|> repos*
[11:49] <DeathMan|> and there is 4.2.1 out
[11:49] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, 4.1 what???
[11:49] <DeathMan|> xen 4.1
[11:49] <DeathMan|> and there is already 4.2.1
[11:49] <dr_willis_> !backports
[11:49] <dr_willis_> backports. or  the PPA's
[11:50] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, repos often lag the newest versions. compile from source ...
[11:50] <Prikkebeen> for older cards x.org driver newer cards agallium by default i believ ( for ati9
[11:50] <DeathMan|> compiling from source gives me pythin errors etc
[11:50] <Andy80> I had this problem and I tried to fix in this way http://askubuntu.com/questions/256394/subwoofer-is-not-working-in-dell-inspiron-660-with-ubuntu-12-10
[11:50] <Andy80> but now it's not working anymore
[11:50] <DeathMan|> python*
[11:51] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, see the zen package site.  There will certainly be a method to get the latest version from there ... or wait for the repos to catch up.
[11:52] <DeathMan|> hmmmm
[11:53] <DeathMan|> well i may try again wait a bit
[11:53] <kubanc> hellow! I'm getting blank screen after few minutes, but the settings for turn screen off when inactive for is set to NEVER
[11:53] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, patience and linux go together quite well
[11:53] <savagecroc> can anyone describe to me what the point of this file is: https://github.com/freedomfreddy/nginx-init-debian/blob/master/etc/init/nginx.conf
[11:54] <savagecroc> does it dictate when the service starts up and shuts down?
[11:54] <savagecroc> any idea what respawn does?
[11:54] <dr_willis_> savagecroc:  looks like a upstart init config file
[11:54] <savagecroc> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#respawn << found docs :D
[11:55] <dr_willis_> !steam
[11:57] <dr_willis_> lovely.. steam still tells me its in closed beta. ;P
[11:59] <savagecroc> so
[11:59] <savagecroc> upstart does process management as well?
[11:59] <savagecroc> for example it monitors running processes?
[12:00] <savagecroc>  https://github.com/freedomfreddy/nginx-init-debian/blob/master/etc/init/nginx.conf << i noticed in here they have just writtain spawn .. but there is no http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect stanza like it suggests in the docs... will it not work as expected
[12:01] <savagecroc> and how am i supposed to work out if nginx forks or daemonizes?
[12:02] <Mojojojojo> hello, I need help with my Windows 7/Ubuntu 12.10 dualboot
[12:03] <Mojojojojo> the computer just boots direct into ubuntu, there's no GRUB to choose Windows 7
[12:03] <Mojojojojo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1662882/
[12:03] <Mojojojojo> hello?
[12:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> boot-repair
[12:04] <dr_willis_> Press and hold shift at boot time to see the grub menu
[12:04] <dr_willis_> !patience
[12:04] <dr_willis_> you may need to rerun 'sudo update-grub' to see if it rescans/detects the windows install
[12:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> that too, but it should come auto when you have multiple os's
[12:04] <Mojojojojo> yeah I did boot repair coz my pc refused to boot into ubuntu.... now i am tryping this from ubuntu but my windows 7 and grub are no longer available
[12:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> try the update-grub, it should do the trick
[12:05] <Mojojojojo> ok maybe it worked let me re-boot
[12:05] <Mojojojojo> will be back to report
[12:05] <Mojojojojo> thanks
[12:08] <Halite> Can Ubuntu run Windows programs
[12:08] <bla_> wine
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> !wine
[12:08] <cfhowlett> Halite, sometimes
[12:08] <cfhowlett> !wine|Halite,
[12:09] <Halite> ok
[12:09] <yeats> Halite: whether wine works depends greatly on the program you're trying to install - you're usually better off trying to find a linux-friendly replacement for what you need to get done IMHO
[12:09] <cfhowlett> yeats, agreed
[12:10] <cfhowlett> Halite, specific program you're wanting to use in ubuntu?
[12:10] <DeathMan|> i get configure: error: Unable to find Python development headers how to fix this?
[12:11] <dr_willis_> install all the python -dev packages you may need. ;)  what are youy trying to compile?
[12:11] <DeathMan|> xen
[12:12] <NetFlam> Hi all!
[12:12] <polacomarcin25> ola a todos
[12:12] <cfhowlett> NetFlam,
[12:12] <cfhowlett> greetings
[12:12] <DeathMan|> pfff now it says no package glib-2.0
[12:13] <Mojojojo> hello I'm back
[12:13] <polacomarcin25> hay gente de españa ?
[12:13] <cfhowlett> !es|polacomarcin25,
[12:13] <cfhowlett> !es|polacomarcin25,
[12:13] <Mojojojo> I have both windows 7 and Ubuntu working in dual-boot
[12:13] <cfhowlett> Mojojojo, congrats
[12:14] <Mojojojo> but I don't want to choose windows 7 in GNU Grub 2.0
[12:14] <polacomarcin25> algun español ?
[12:14] <Mojojojo> I prefer the traditional windows 7 grub
[12:14] <cfhowlett> !es|polacomarcin25,
[12:14] <Mojojojo> does that make sense?
[12:14] <dr_willis_> you can use the apt-get build-deps packagename   to pull in all needed dependencies to compile somthing i recall
[12:14] <bekks> !es | polacomarcin25
[12:14] <cfhowlett> Mojojojo, windows 7 does not use grub
[12:14] <MonkeyDust> polacomarcin25  type /join #ubuntu-es
[12:14] <dr_willis_> windows 7 grub?
[12:14] <dr_willis_> You mwan the windows 7 boot manager?
[12:15] <Mojojojo> there is that black screen with white fonts
[12:15] <dr_willis_> You can set grub2 to use just a simple text menu
[12:15] <Mojojojo> maybe thats the one. Then it selects the default os to boot in 30 seconds
[12:15] <bekks> Mojojojo: Take a picture of it :)
[12:15] <cfhowlett> Mojojojo, yes, that's grub ...
[12:15] <Mojojojo> haha
[12:16] <bekks> cfhowlett: You can set windows to wait for 30s too, and it has whit fonts on black screen. :)
[12:16] <Mojojojo> I created that grub with Easy BCD before, but now I tried to create it again it's refused
[12:17] <cfhowlett> bekks, realized the instant I sent "send".  I hangz me in head in shame.
[12:18] <DeathMan|> yay ... make: *** [tools/qemu-xen-traditional-dir] Error 2
[12:18] <Mojojojo> it's disapeared now so icant take a picture bekks :)
[12:18] <bekks> DeathMan|: The actual error is somewhere before that message.
[12:18] <dr_willis_> You can configure grub to be just a simple text menu.. or its even themeable if you want to bother
[12:18] <bekks> Mojojojo: Then reboot again...
[12:18] <dr_willis_> I suggest not using easybcd
[12:19] <dr_willis_> and stick to the normal ubuntu grub2
[12:19] <Mojojojo> ok how do i configure grub to use simple text menu?
[12:19] <cfhowlett> Mojojojo, pretty sure that's the default ...
[12:19] <Mojojojo> hehe
[12:19] <Halite> How do I get root permissions on 12.10
[12:20] <dr_willis_> !sudo
[12:20] <bekks> !sudo | Halite
[12:20] <cfhowlett> !sudo|Halite,
[12:20] <dr_willis_> you use sudo as needed
[12:20] <Halite> I need to make an ubuntu32 dir
[12:20] <dr_willis_> !grub | Mojojojo
[12:20] <dr_willis_> Mojojojo:  its a setting in /etc/default/grub
[12:20] <Halite> How do I mkdir with sudo
[12:20] <dr_willis_> Halite:  why do you think you need such a dir?
[12:21] <dr_willis_> Halite:  and where ecxactly do you need to make it at?
[12:21] <DeathMan|> sigh this is way too hard
[12:21] <DeathMan|> tons of erros and other stuff
[12:21] <Halite> dr_willis_, backwards compatibility and ability to download Wine
[12:21] <DeathMan|> any way to update xen from 4.1 installation?
[12:21] <dr_willis_> Halite:  cant say ive ever needed to make it when i use wine..
[12:21] <cfhowlett> DeathMan|, go to the xen package site.  look there and you'll find an update method
[12:21] <dr_willis_> DeathMan|:  look for a PPA?
[12:22] <polacomarcin25> hellow all !
[12:22] <cfhowlett> polacomarcin25, greetings
[12:23] <DeathMan|> PPA?
[12:23] <dr_willis_> !ppa
[12:23] <cfhowlett> !ppa
[12:23] <MonkeyDust> DeathMan|  an external software source
[12:23] <polacomarcin25> im from poland
[12:24] <polacomarcin25> poland irc what is this
[12:24] <polacomarcin25> ?
[12:24] <cfhowlett> !pl|polacomarcin25,
[12:25] <polacomarcin25> #ubuntu-pl
[12:25] <Mojojojo> hmmmm, the menu I have now is not the same I had before, before it was black screen with white back ground here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1663095/
[12:25] <hilarie> Could someone point me in the right direction on how to do step5? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MpichCluster I don't know how to make a user with a specific UID, or what a UID is for that matter
[12:25] <polacomarcin25> #ubuntu.pl.
[12:26] <MonkeyDust> polacomarcin25  it's /join #ubuntu-pl
[12:26] <polacomarcin25> jak wejsc na kanal polski irc ?
[12:26] <Mojojojo> anone read my pastebin
[12:27] <hilarie> sudo chown -R root:root /home/username/ is the root:root the User ID?
[12:27] <bekks> Mojojojo: A pastebin is not a screenshot.
[12:27] <dr_willis_> Why are you worried about somthing you see for about 5  seconds?
[12:27] <bekks> hilarie: NO.
[12:27] <polacomarcin25> thanks monkeydust
[12:27] <bekks> hilarie: What are you trying to do?
[12:27] <dr_willis_> hilarie:  you dont want your users files owned by root..
[12:27] <Dark_Apostrophe> Is TRIM enabled by default on systems running on SSDs?
[12:28] <dr_willis_> Dark_Apostrophe:  i dont think so.
[12:28] <Dark_Apostrophe> How is it enabled, then?
[12:28]  * xjdesx general question...anyone know how to change your ip address in terminal on ubuntu?
[12:28] <hilarie> bekks trying to set up https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MpichCluster specifically stuck at the user with same UID accross nodes
[12:28] <Jonny1> Good morning. I have recently noticed when I shut down my laptop, I see apache shutting down. How do I find out why I have apache running? I didnt install this. Does something else depend on it?
[12:28] <dr_willis_> Dark_Apostrophe:  i modified my fstab like the guides say
[12:28] <hilarie> Jonny1 https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[12:28] <Dark_Apostrophe> dr_willis_: Where can I find these guides?
[12:28] <dr_willis_> Dark_Apostrophe:  i hit up google and askubuntu.com
[12:28] <hilarie> xjdesx https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html gotta lvoe when you have the page up already!
[12:28] <bekks> hilarie: The User ID has NOTHING to do with the USERNAME you are using in your command.
[12:28] <Mojojojo> dr_willis because I share this computer with my grandad and he is not too savvy, I want it to boot into windows 7 by default when he uses it (to simplify things) and I can make the choice when I want to use ubuntu
[12:29] <hilarie> Bekks Could you point me to where I can change User IDs?
[12:29] <hilarie> Bekks I am creating 10 nodes that each need a username/uid to be the same
[12:29] <bekks> hilarie: Just create a new user with the same ID (the name is irrelevant) on every node.
[12:29] <hilarie> bekks how :(
[12:29] <dr_willis_> Mojojojo:  you can set up grub where windows is the default.. thats mentioned at the grub2 guides and askubuntu.com
[12:30] <bekks> hilarie: Using the useradd command.
[12:30] <Jonny1> hilarie: Neither apache nor xjdesx appears on that page
[12:30] <hilarie> useradd -u !!!
[12:30] <Mojojojo> ok thanks dr_willis :) will try
[12:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> dammit
[12:31] <Dark_Apostrophe> dr_willis_: Found this via askubuntu, thanks! :) http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/enable-trim-on-ssd-solid-state-drives.html
[12:31] <Jonny1> If I remove apache will something else stop working? How can I find out what depends on it?
[12:31] <hilarie> Bekks what should I put in the the field useradd -u stuffhere Username?
[12:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> does anyone know how to list the modules you can load?
[12:32] <bekks> hilarie: the numerical userid you want.
[12:32] <dr_willis_> every module? that would be  all the .ko files on the system :) for the current kernel
[12:32] <nibbler__> ntzrmtthihu777: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f
[12:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> Jonny1: just give it a try via apt, if it lists other packages to be removed, they depend on it
[12:32] <hilarie> bekks so anything I want that is a number?
[12:32] <Jonny1> I guess I should try removing apache in synaptic and hopefully it should warn me what else depends on it. Is that the only was?
[12:32] <bekks> hilarie: That number is called "userid".
[12:32] <thunkee> Jonny1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/5636/can-i-see-why-a-package-is-installed
[12:33] <Jonny1> ntzrmtthihu777: Ah you anticpiated my question
[12:33] <hilarie> bekks thank you for your time!
[12:33]  * xjdesx i can't find it on the page...I'm sorry i know this. isn't a help section . im totally new to ubuntu
[12:34]  * xjdesx can someone just direct me to how to change your ip address thru terminal ? ubuntu 12.0.4
[12:34] <dr_willis_> xjdesx:  change for what reason?
[12:34] <dr_willis_> You can set a static ip if you are on a home lan..
[12:34] <xjdesx> i was ip suspended on a irc channel for talking too much too fast
[12:34] <xjdesx> pretty dumb
[12:34] <nibbler__> xjdesx: ip 10.0.0.1/8 dev eth0; ip a d <old-ip/nm>
[12:34] <xjdesx> not spam even
[12:34] <dr_willis_> xjdesx:  thats not going to work i imagine....
[12:35] <Jonny1> xjdesx: I think you might you ifconfig. Try man ifconfig
[12:35] <xjdesx> i did
[12:35] <Lundy|WOrk> any tools out there with a GUI to monitor my network? iv got 2 computers and a adsl router .... wanna keep a eye on traffic, if internet is up and if computers are on / off
[12:35] <dr_willis_> xjdesx:  and how are you connected to the internet?
[12:35] <xjdesx> i puled up ifconfig
[12:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> RT2870ok, I found the module, but sudo modprobe rt5572sta does not load it
[12:35] <hilarie> xjdesx changing your ubuntu IP address most likely wont change your external IP address
[12:35] <xjdesx> wirelessly
[12:35] <MonkeyDust> xjdesx  start here http://www.jonathanmoeller.com/screed/?p=4053
[12:35] <Jonny1> xjdesx: Or try ifconfig --help
[12:35] <dr_willis_> xjdesx:  your isp will still be giveing your router the same  ip. i imagine
[12:35] <xjdesx> yeah i know =/
[12:35] <nibbler__> xjdesx: Jonny1: first i guess changing the ip he needs to change, would mean reconnect the internet. 2nd: ifconfig, route and netstat are deprecated, ip should be used
[12:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> macchanger is nice, and tor is too
[12:36] <xjdesx> i dont have my VPN up and running either
[12:36] <xjdesx> not on ubuntu
[12:36] <xjdesx> any good VPNS you recommend for Ubuntu?
[12:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> haguichi for hamachi
[12:37] <DeathMan|> i give up this is retarded
[12:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> free up to five connections
[12:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> but if you use the tor browser it masks your ip
[12:37] <nibbler__> ntzrmtthihu777: why would you recommend a proprietary, untrustworthy vpn to ubuntu users?
[12:37] <kubanc> Hellow! I disabled blank screen after a period of minutes, but i still get it? Any idea?
[12:37] <DeathMan|> can someone tell me linux distro that already has binary package of xen 4.2.1?
[12:38] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Hello people
[12:38] <dr_willis_> DeathMan|:  check on the disrtowatch web site perhaps
[12:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> *shrug* it worked for me playing d&d over rptools, nibbler__
[12:38] <dr_willis_> DeathMan|:  or see what 13.x has
[12:38] <Jonny1> nibbler__: I just tried ipconfig and that command is not found
[12:38] <cfhowlett> IloveWin8nUbuntu, greetings
[12:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> sudo iwconfig
[12:39] <nibbler__> ntzrmtthihu777: i never suggested it would not work, just pointing out that its neither secure, nor open, and not in the repositories i'd guess
[12:39] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> I want to install Ubuntu in a netbook. Will it affect performance?
[12:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> not the default ones, no
[12:39] <nibbler__> IloveWin8nUbuntu: sure!
[12:39] <cfhowlett> IloveWin8nUbuntu, depends.  for a low spec machine like a netbook, I suggest you try lubuntu or xubuntu ...
[12:39] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: Ubuntu will probably run faster than windows on any machine
[12:39] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Netbook I want to install is the HP Pavilion dv2
[12:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> if it was running win7 before, you should expect it, big resource hog
[12:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> blech, hp. I have a need/hate relationship with them
[12:40] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> It was running Vista Business pre-installed and boy. It was a sure lag.
[12:41] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: Try resizing your windows partition and installing it alongside windows and see how you go with it. If you don't like it, you can always remove it and resize the windows partition back again
[12:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> anyone? the module is here /lib/modules/3.2.0-37-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt5572sta.ko but does not load with sudo modprobe etc
[12:41] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: By "it" I mean Ubuntu or any other flavour like lubuntu or xubuntu as suggested by someone else
[12:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> i do gubuntu
 Why do you guys call it "flavour" instead of "editions"?
[12:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> because windows 7 is an edition, utimate is a flavour, basically
[12:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> so you can have ubuntu 12th
[12:42] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: I have stopped being surprised how much faster my computer runs on ubuntu than windows now. Don't know why I called it a flavour. Be thankful I didnt use flava!
[12:43] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Jonny1: Haha
[12:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> so you can have ubuntu '12th edition' kubunto flavour
[12:44] <Burritoh> Strictly speaking, the version numbers aren't editions, they refer to the year of release
[12:44] <Burritoh> and that system only started being used after the first few versions
[12:44] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: There is no "ubunto 12th edition". There is [k|x|l]ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10
[12:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> hey! do you think if enough people got behind it gubuntu could become standard like lubuntu or xubuntu etc?
[12:44] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: Recently I installed ubuntu for my not terribly computer literate friend because she suspected her windows7 was infected with malware and she didnt trust it. It was gratifying when she noticed it booted and ran much faster than windows and now she refuses to go back to windows!
[12:44] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Damn. Looks like I wasted money upgrading to the Lenovo ThinkPad SL400. I have installed 12.10 and boy it was totally 100% pure awesome. Nice work developers,
[12:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> I'm just tryina explain the dif between flavors.
[12:45] <Burritoh> ntzrmtthihu777: I think so, but largely depends on Canonicals whims :P
[12:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> blech unity
[12:45] <cyphaw> hello there, anyone could help me install ubuntu?
[12:45] <Burritoh> Canonical's*
[12:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> sure, not a prob cyphaw
[12:45] <MonkeyDust> cyphaw  let's hear it
[12:45] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Which doesnt change the fact, that it is a) "Ubuntu" instead of "Ubunto" and b) there is no 12th edition at all.
[12:45] <purplerain> !install | cyphaw
[12:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> xD but yeah, typo on the first, and just a way of speach
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> ntzrmtthihu777  12.10 means 2012, 10th month
[12:46] <cyphaw> it's a bit tricky, I can't boot on any live usb/cd, but I can boot on ubuntu which is installed on a usb stick
[12:46] <Jonny1> cyphaw: The live cd will pretty much guide you through the process. I recommend creating a separate home partition so that when you want to try another linux distribution, you can share your home with all of them
[12:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> erm, isnt that in fact a live usb?
[12:46] <cyphaw> that ubuntu doesn't have the "install ubuntu" icon on the desktop, I'd need it
[12:46] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: A pretty childish way of speaking...
[12:46] <Burritoh> cyphaw: oh.. there is a way to install from another installation. But it's nonstandard.
[12:46] <Burritoh> bekks: tolerance - the Internet is full of strange people ;)
[12:47] <cyphaw> Burritoh: yes, that's what I'd need
[12:47]  * ntzrmtthihu777 shrugs
[12:47] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> Can I select the "Try Ubuntu" option when I use a CD Install? Sorry. Never used Ubuntu before.
[12:47] <dr_willis_> sounds like the usb sticks are not being made right.
[12:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> I talk how I talk, and thank you Burritoh, strange b I.
[12:47] <bekks> Burritoh: And full of people not knowing the difference between u and o :P
[12:47] <cfhowlett> cyphaw, or you can install virtualbox and test different flavors there
[12:47] <Burritoh> IloveWin8nUbuntu: yeah, you can :)
[12:47] <dr_willis_> cyphaw:  there are ways to set up grub2 to boot an ISO file that you could have on that usb stick
[12:47] <Marlinc> The Canonical Teamfortress 2 server is outdated :p
[12:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> nah, i bet he actually has a full install to usb and not the "install disc" usb
[12:48] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> @Burritoh woo. Ubuntu FTW!
[12:48] <Burritoh> :)
[12:48] <dr_willis_> You could set up a 'full install on a usb flash'  and customize its grub menu to boot an ISO file.
[12:48] <dr_willis_> if you had a big enough usb flash
[12:48] <cyphaw> dr_willis_: do you have a link for that? that could indeed help
[12:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> bekks: I know the diff, I'm just getting used to a new keyboard, lol
[12:48] <dr_willis_> cyphaw:  not done it in ages.. should be plenty of guides out on booting iso file with grub2
[12:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> dr_willis_: yeah there is a great guide in the wiki
[12:49] <dr_willis_> cyphaw:  i just made a custom entry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom for the ISO file i had.
[12:49] <bilel> is it possible to put some content in a symlink directory? I'd like to have a mirror directory, but when I put some content in it, it takes the priority on the other symlinked directory content.
[12:49] <cyphaw> dr_willis_: found some docs on google, I'll try that, thx
[12:49] <dr_willis_> I had /boot/ holding an ubuntu iso file as a rescue/recovery method for a long time
[12:49] <IloveWin8nUbuntu> alright. gtg.
[12:49] <Jonny1> IloveWin8nUbuntu: By the way, I think the difference between editions and flavours is that 12.04, 8.04, 8.10 and 12.10 etc are different editions of Ubuntu. Anyone else feel free to correct me. Redhat, Ubuntu, Suse etc are all different distributions of GNU/Linux. I guess I use the word flavour where I should probably use distribution.
[12:49] <dr_willis_> theres some tools at the Pendrivelinux site that can do it alwo
[12:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, /boot/iso/*.iso for me
[12:50] <sgtkilljoy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[12:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> well [x|l|u]buntu is all one distro, but three flavours
[12:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> rechtig?
[12:51] <Burritoh> Appears kinda right... I see them as three distros which are closely related
[12:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> um, no one has taken a shot at my question :/
[12:51] <Burritoh> in the same way that LMDE and Linux Mint are different distros, but have a very overlapping community and development
[12:51] <Burritoh> I wasn't here when you asked :P
[12:52] <Jonny1> Looks like ILoveWin8nUbuntu who asked the question has gone anyway, before we get too hung up on semantics. I will  probably continue to be lazy with language when it doesnt matter too much
[12:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> yay lol. I just compiled the drivers for my wireless card, but they wont load when I sudo modprobe them
[12:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> win8 = shudder.
[12:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> any idea as to why, and how I can fix?
[12:53] <sgtkilljoy> ntzrmtthihu777: wat card?
[12:54] <Burritoh> I haven't personally compiled drivers before... are you sure there isn't a driver with a conflicting name?
[12:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> DLink DW-160
[12:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> rev A
[12:54] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: How can we know it, without you even giving us the chipset name and the error message?
[12:54] <Jonny1> I hate when I have to use windows. Win 7 has an annoying habit of installing updates without permission when you try to shutdown. It's particularly irritating when you have a train to catch and windows needs to stay connected to the mains and to the internet to update and there is no cancel. Or when you needed to reboot and you really need to get on with something else!
[12:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> nah, I grepped out all the similar names, only one
[12:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, that rally sucks
[12:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> sorry, I had spoke of the chipset earlier, but its a new crowd it seems
[12:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> ID 2001:3c1a D-Link Corp
[12:55] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Thats an USB ID, and no chipset name.
[12:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> derp, one sec
[12:56] <sgtkilljoy> ntzrmtthihu777: wat drivers are u trying to install?
[12:57] <anew> what do you guys recomend i read to get the basics of ubuntu down ?
[12:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> rt5572sta; patched and compiled from source
[12:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> forum, anew
[12:57] <anew> link ?
[12:57] <rushboy> hello can anyone please guide on how to install jogl2 on ubuntu ? I badly require help in this regard . Any sort of guidance is appreciated :-)
[12:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuforums.org
[12:57] <anew> cool thx
[12:57] <anew> wait does this have tutorials and stuff ?
[12:57] <bekks> !beginner > anew
[12:57] <bekks> !beginners > anew
[12:58] <ThinkT510> !manual | anew
[12:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> it has whatever you could want, anew.
[12:58] <sgtkilljoy> ntzrmtthihu777: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/229-ubuntu-precise-dlink-dwa160-revb2
[12:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, that's what I'm doin, hadda have someone pastebin it for me because I simply could not reach the site
[13:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> hang on, think I missed something, sgtkilljoy
[13:01] <Coded1> can anyone recommend an alternative to ciaro-dock?
[13:01] <Soelen> hello everyone, I have a problem with my utms stick right now, it worked on ubuntu 10.x but not on 12.04, what can I do?
[13:01] <cfhowlett> coded awn
[13:01] <cfhowlett> Coded1, look in ubuntu software center for docks ...
[13:01] <dr_willis_> !dock
[13:03] <Jonny1> Back to my apache issue. When I shut down my laptop I see apache closing. I don't know why apache is even running since I dont use my machine as a server (and dont want to). It just seems like something to eat CPU power and possibly expose my machine to incoming connections risking threats. I do have dropbox running but that doesnt appear to depend on apache. I checked in synaptic and if I mark libapr1 for removal it prompts me that the fol
[13:04] <bilel> I'm trying to set up acl following an ubuntu tutorial, it says I have to edit /etc/fstab and add an acl keywork on it, but it doesn't contain a /home partition, only "proc" and "none", what should I do?
[13:04] <Jonny1> I would also be interested to know why apache was installed and running in the first place under ubuntu desktop rather than server.
[13:05] <bilel> I'm following this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions#Setting_up_ACL
[13:05] <ThinkT510> Jonny1: perhaps a dependency for something else you installed?
[13:05] <Halite> How do I move the bar at the left side to the bottom
[13:05] <santaop> i try so many things to  manually add win 8 entry in grub2 .i added but it gave me error '"invalid signature "" on clicking win 8 during boot .please help me http://paste.ubuntu.com/1663349/  please help me to coorct it
[13:05] <riderplus> set auto_away_time
[13:05] <dr_willis_> Halite:  short answer.. You dont
[13:05] <ThinkT510> Halite: you don't, thats the way unity is
[13:06] <dr_willis_> Halite:  if you want a bottom dock use a dock.
[13:06] <anew> what are 'guest additions' in ubuntu ?
[13:06] <Jonny1> ThinkT510: That's what I thought but synaptic doesn't highlight any other dependencies so I guess I can safely remove it. Just wanted to check
[13:06] <dr_willis_> Guest addations are normally for virtualbox  setups anew
[13:06] <cfhowlett> anew, they are not ubuntu.  they are part of virtual bod
[13:06] <cfhowlett> box
[13:06] <Halite> dr_willis_, how
[13:06] <ThinkT510> anew: guest additions is for virtualbox, it allows mouse integration and shared folder support
[13:06] <Sven_vB> can i make sed insert a blank line if the first 10 chars (date) of the line differ from the date of the previous line?
[13:06] <dr_willis_> Halite:  How what? theres numerous docks in the repos
[13:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> guest additons are a way of making a guest and host talk better, basically
[13:06] <Jonny1> cfhowlett: I think much prefer virtual bod!
[13:06] <anew> oh i see
[13:07] <Halite> dr_willis_, how do I add a dock
[13:07] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Which is wrong, basically.
[13:07] <anew> ah ok so it is not a 'guest' in the sense of ubuntu, it's 'guest' in the sense for fb
[13:07] <dr_willis_> Halite:  fire up the package manager tools.. and install one
[13:07] <anew> *vb
[13:07] <dr_willis_> !manual | Halite
[13:07] <cfhowlett> anew, correct
[13:07] <dr_willis_> !dock | Halite
[13:07] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: The guest additions do provide a graphics driver, and a shared folder driver. Both have nothing to do with "talking better".
[13:07] <Halite> How can I choose a dock
[13:07] <dr_willis_> Halite:  flip a coin?
[13:07] <santaop> dr_willis_:  sir please help me :(
[13:07] <dr_willis_> Halite:  read their decriptions and try them all?
[13:08] <Jonny1> anew: Guest additions give you for example  folder that can be shared between your host and guest operating systems. I think it also gives you a seamless guest display rrather than the guest OS in a window
[13:08] <dr_willis_> santaop:  with?
[13:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> not really, bekks. I know what they do, I have a vbox of winxp
[13:08] <cfhowlett> Halite, make a list.  try each one.  choose a flavor.  install
[13:08] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Then you never read the manual of vbox.
[13:08] <anew> ok, hopefully it makes the vm run faster
[13:08] <santaop> dr_willis_: grub2 ,,,,i can't boot to win 8
[13:08] <dr_willis_> santaop:  i dont use Win8. no idea on it.
[13:08] <ThinkT510> anew: nothing to do with speed
[13:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> just general gist, better integration = better talking. it may not be the technical term but it works
[13:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> and not the whole thing, but I did read the section of guest additions
[13:09] <anew> run faster = allocate more mem to the vb ?
[13:09] <santaop> dr_willis_: could you gave me documenatation to manually add window to grub2
[13:09] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Then you know that the guest additions only provide a graphics driver and a shared folder driver. And no "better integration".
[13:09] <cfhowlett> anew, yep.  in vb, mem matters
[13:09] <dr_willis_> !grub2 | santaop
[13:09] <rushboy> Sorry to post this again ,but can anyone please guide on how to install jogl2 on ubuntu ? I badly require help in this regard . Any sort of guidance is appreciated :-)
[13:09] <znf> Hello. I'm trying to install the Binary driver for an AMD/ATI Card. I tried using the "Restricted Drivers" option from System Settings but that didn't work out (either with the normal or -updates driver). Now I manually built the driver that I downloaded from the AMD, installed, run aticonfig --initial, rebooted, I get the "amd testing only" (downloaded the beta driver) watermark, but fglrxinfo still throws an error. Any other help I can get?
[13:09] <anew> ok let me give it a little more mem
[13:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> so you would not consider seamles mode to be a better integration between host and guest, then?
[13:10] <ThinkT510> anew: memory can help but very difficult to know by how much
[13:10] <Jonny1> anew: I doubt it will make the vm run faster, possibly a little slower but not noticeably. I use guest additions so I can share files between my host ubuntu and guest OS. It wont allocate more memory to the vm. You choose how much memory to allocate in the vm's settings
[13:10] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: I dont use seamless mode at all. :)
[13:10] <ntzrmtthihu777> or sharing folders
[13:11] <Guest21321> Gday !
[13:11] <Jonny1> anew: I also like seamless mode but it's not everyones choice
[13:11] <znf> In addition, when I try "modprobe fglrx", I get module not found :-/
[13:11] <Jonny1> !hello | Guest21321
[13:11] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: And it is working just because of the grapics driver provided by the guest additions. And shared folders dont integrate anything, the just create the ability of shring files between host and guest without involving a network connection.
[13:11] <ThinkT510> Jonny1: that factoid was removed years ago
[13:11] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Since which version do you use vbox?
[13:11] <anew> hmmm seelmess mode seems to not be available for me
[13:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> my router and card do not really "shake hands", but that is what its called anyways. I generalize to get the point across, it lets your guest/host transfer files/data, "talk"
[13:11] <Jonny1> ThinkT510: Oh well!
[13:12] <stu314> Hi. I am trying to downgrade "compiz" on precise due to segfaults in new version. I do "apt-get install compiz=oldversion", but I am getting an error: "Version '1:0.9.7.8-0ubuntu1.4' for 'compiz' was not found". Do I need to add some "archive" source to sources.list?
[13:12] <Jonny1> Guess it was though impolite
[13:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> hah, so you gonna pull the old-timer card?
[13:12] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: No, I am just curious.
[13:12] <ThinkT510> Jonny1: people just kept abusing it
[13:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> Im a linux greenie, almost a year now
[13:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> vbox about half the time.
[13:13] <Jonny1> ntzrmtthihu777: Welcome to this wonderful world! I've been a greenie since 2008!
[13:13] <kj4> brownie since 99
[13:13] <ThinkT510> stu314: downgrading isn't really supported
[13:14] <Jonny1> Guest21321: How can we help you? Just ask your question.
[13:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> I only use win$ as absolutely needed, and I am making my own solutions to get away from it, lol.
[13:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> thankya Jonny1
[13:14] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: Welcome to vbox then - I have to pull the old-timer card, since using it since 2007 ;)
[13:14] <anew> should i change base mem or video mem ?
[13:14] <bekks> anew: Yes, change them to your needs.
[13:14] <anew> ok made base mem 2gb
[13:15] <bekks> anew: How much RAM does your computer have?
[13:15] <anew> 8gb
[13:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> honestly once I finish the tools I am working on I may do away with vbox, wont need winxp anymore
[13:15] <anew> win8
[13:15] <viashimo> hello; is there any way to connect hdmi without having to reboot? I'm using 12.04
[13:15] <Jonny1> anew: If you are trying to make your vm faster, then try it. You can always change it back. Just be aware that the more resources you allocate to your guest OS, the less will be available to your host OS
[13:15] <stu314> ThinkT510: Do you mean, that it is not possible to find the older version in any source?
[13:15] <znf> So... nobody? AMD/ATI video problems?
[13:15] <Jonny1> viashimo: Yes, just plug it in. It should start working immediately
[13:15] <anew> ok
[13:16] <Jonny1> anew: If your host machine doesnt have much memory you could run into problems
[13:16] <ThinkT510> stu314: i only stick to what is in the default repos, adding other repos is a very easy and quick way to mess up dependencies, i really wouldn't recommend it
[13:16] <viashimo> Jonny1, it doesn't unfortunately. xrandr shows that HDMI is disconnected. my monitor picks up no signal and sleeps
[13:16] <anew> i dunno why my vm is going so slow
[13:16] <ThinkT510> anew: unity doesn't perform well in a vm
[13:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I gave my winxp vbox 1 of my 6 gigs, plenty for that
[13:17] <anew> is there something else i can run with ubuntu instead of unity
[13:17] <ThinkT510> anew: plenty, my favourite is xfce
[13:17] <anew> or at least turn down all these graphics options in sentence
[13:17] <anew> *settings
[13:17] <Jonny1> viashimo: Oh bummer! Mine just works when I plug it in (not that that helps you, unfortunately) but I remember I did enable the second monitor in the Displays applet under settings
[13:17] <cfhowlett> anew, of course.  logout login and choose a different session
[13:17] <laddu_> o/ I've got wifi issues. Ath9k driver keeps disconnected. My wifi card is AR982X. My dmesg shows wlan0 link disconnected. I've tried instlal wicd. I've tried the hwconf edit. I've tried installing compat-drivers. WHY is wifi such a difficult thing to setup is mind boggling...I've googled around for days. If I cannot receive I response, I feel I'll need to revert back to windows. I really need this to work. Please help me.
[13:18] <ThinkT510> anew: theres also kde, gnome-shell, lxde, enlightenment
[13:18] <Jonny1> anew: I like gnome classic
[13:18] <cfhowlett> anew, or you can install others ... xfce  kde lxde ...
[13:18] <anew> and i can access all those just by logging out and back in ?
[13:18] <viashimo> Jonny1, I normally have clone display set for 2nd monitors. works fine with vga. I'll keep poking around, thanks anyway :)
[13:18] <stu314> ThinkT510: You probably misunderstood my question. The desktop does not work, compiz segfaults. There is no way to use the computer, my only option is to downgrade. I don't need a recommendation, how to not mess dependencies, I need a way to install an older version of a messed up package.
[13:18] <ThinkT510> anew: once they are installed you select them on the login screen
[13:19] <anew> what is the most basic, gnome classic
[13:19] <ThinkT510> stu314: ok, sorry
 Can I message you ?
[13:19] <Jonny1> stu314: In synaptic you can right click on a package and force it to use an older version
[13:19] <laddu_> anyone ;_;?
[13:19] <ThinkT510> anew: lxde would likely be the lightest
[13:19] <Jonny1> Guest21321: Yes but it's better to ask your question here so everyone else can see it and if anyone else knows an answer they can chip in
[13:20] <anew> great let me give that one a shot
[13:20] <anew> this channel is great
[13:20] <Jonny1> OK. I'm going to remove apache. I hope it doesnt break anything
[13:20] <Jonny1> anew: It certainly is. Lots of helpful people around.
[13:20] <ioria> laddu_:  can you ping something ?
[13:21] <Jonny1> Before I remove apache, does anyone have any reason for me to keep it (don't want to break anything)
[13:21] <stu314> Jonny1: The problem is, apt-get can't find the older version. So I thought, that it is probably not in the sources anymore. Am I right? Are older versions deleted from the sources?
[13:21] <anew> ok installing lxde so this one should not use a lot of mem i'm hoping
[13:21] <Jonny1> stu314: No idea. Have you tried it from synaptic?
[13:22] <Jonny1> stu314: sudo apt-get install synaptic if you don't already have it. I much prefer synaptic to the Software manager
[13:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> unity does not perform well at all *chuckle*
[13:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> am I still connected
[13:22] <Joel__> Whoop, there is quite a lot of people here.
[13:22] <Jonny1> ntzrmtthihu777: Yes you are. I just find Unity to be user unfriendly. Gnome is much easier to use in my not very humble opinion
[13:23] <stu314> Jonny1: Never mind, thank you.
[13:23] <Joel__> I am about to install ubuntu 12.10, what would you guys recommend for installation, a new partion on the harddrive or can I just install it and I get some sort of dualboot? I've never tried two OS'es at once.
[13:23] <Jonny1> anew: I don't know if gnome classic is most basic. It's just the interface I am used to since Ubuntu 8.04
[13:23] <anew> i'm giving lxde a shot
[13:23] <anew> i need it to run on 512 because my raspberry pi is coming soon
[13:24] <ThinkT510> Joel__: a new partition would be a dual boot
[13:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> I like my old-school gnome-falback, lol
[13:24] <Halite> The manual doesn't tell me how to install a desktop interface other than Unity
[13:24] <bilel> do you know why "fdisk -l" can fail on ubuntu 10.01 lucid? It tells me 'cannot open /proc/partitions"?
[13:24] <Jonny1> Joel__: What do you have running already? I recommend a new partition in case it doesnt work. Then you can fallback on whatever you already had working. I never trust a new edition until I've seen it working
[13:24] <arunkumar413> how to load the correct kernel module and driver for my laptop sound card	
[13:24] <Halite> I'd prefer an interface that looks like Windows 7
[13:24] <bilel> 10.04* lucid
[13:24] <Joel__> ThinkT510: Ah, then I do one then, can the ubuntu OS access the files from the windows partion?
[13:24] <cfhowlett> Halite, xfce or lxde
[13:25]  * riderplus Go away!
[13:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> dude, I feel like such a geek. I am using irssi, an in-terminal irc client, and I use lynx, a terminal web-browser, prowl the forums :D
[13:25] <Jonny1> Halite: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/classicgnome
[13:25] <ThinkT510> anew: mind if i ask what do you plan to use your pi for? i've been contemplating getting one
[13:25] <anew> well two things
[13:25] <Guest21321> Jonny1 Thanks for the attention ! I dont need a help for now . Its just my first time in this channel ! Gday to All !
[13:25] <ThinkT510> Joel__: indeed, ntfs support works great
[13:25] <Joel__> Jonny1: I am a ol' windows user,  I wanna give ubuntu a  shot. I run W7 at the moment and wanna convert to ubuntu-12.10 pretty much
[13:25] <anew> 1) play around as a webserver and 2) (my real use for it) running perl scripts
[13:26] <Joel__> ThinkT510: So the new partion doesnt need to be huge then? Just enough for the OS?
[13:26] <Jonny1> Joel__: I remember the feeling. I recommend resizing your windows partition, then creating a partition of about 20-50 GB for your Ubuntu OS, a swap partition of approximately 1-2 times your RAM and then the rest can be a home partition for your files.
[13:26] <ThinkT510> Joel__: and whatever you install, yeah
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> sudo apt-get install whatever, in general Halite
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I came here first after installing irssi just to test it out
[13:27] <Skyrdr> Hah, well... this sucks..
[13:27] <Joel__> Jonny1: Thanks man, will give that a shot.
[13:27] <Skyrdr> I installed some ATI package(s), and now I can only see desktop item(s) that I installed.
[13:28] <Skyrdr> The above / side bar is missing now after a reboot.
[13:28] <Jonny1> Joel__: If you later want to try another distro or edition, you can simply shrink the home partition to make room for it. I use 12.04 as it's a long term support edition so possibly more stable. I just tried installing 12.10 on my work laptop and there are some problems I havent fixed yet.
[13:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> sup Skyrdr?
[13:28] <Skyrdr> I wonder who to revert the packages
[13:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> press alt+f2 and type gnome-panel
[13:28] <Skyrdr> That I installed.. I assume this is the cause of the ati package.
[13:28] <murlidhar> hi all. how to run java run time apps from internet ?
[13:28] <Jonny1> But that may be down to the crappy Toshiba laptop I have at work (it won't even boot from USB even though it's enabled in the BIOS)
[13:28] <murlidhar> some java games need it
[13:28] <Joel__> Jonny1: Ah thanks for warning me. I am getting the 12.04 then. :) How hard is it to up a distro then? Just download it?
[13:28] <murlidhar> !java
[13:29] <anew> thinkt510 when you say 'lightweight' does that mean use the least resources ?
[13:29] <ThinkT510> !install | Joel__
[13:29] <ThinkT510> anew: yes
[13:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> I install my java from ppa, I can give you a link if you like, murlidhar
[13:29] <Jonny1> Joel__: Follow the instructions at the ubuntu download page. Create a live CD and then go for it
[13:29] <anew> cool
[13:29] <Skyrdr> Almost nothing works..
[13:29] <murlidhar> ntzrmtthihu777: sure
[13:29] <Skyrdr> The only thing that works is rightclick, create directories.
[13:29] <Jonny1> Joel__: Sorry, I mean, just boot from it and try it
[13:29] <Skyrdr> and getting in the system settings.
[13:29] <Joel__> Jonny1: Is it bootable from an USB too?
[13:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html
[13:30] <ThinkT510> anew: if you want to go even lighter there are things like fluxbox or maybe a tiling wm if you are feeling adventurous
[13:30] <murlidhar> ntzrmtthihu777: thanks :)
[13:30] <anew> what about lubuntu ?
[13:30] <Coded1> has any one tried sidewall on 12.10?
[13:30] <Jonny1> Joel__: Yes, but not if you are using my crappy Toshiba!
[13:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> did you try the alt+f2 thingus?
[13:30] <Skyrdr> Yup, nothing happens.
[13:30] <savagecroc> I'm setting up an ubuntu server (which will also be their internet gateway) and a network with 20 computers. What is an easy way of allowing all the computers to communicate to the server but preventing communication between the computers?
[13:30] <ThinkT510> anew: lubuntu is ubuntu with lxde by default
[13:30] <Coded1> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/fioan89/slidewall/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[13:30] <Jonny1> Joel__: For some reason I am in the habit of always installing from CD. Probably because my old computers couldnt boot from USB
[13:30] <anew> i dont get the difference between lubuntu and lxde ?
[13:30] <Joel__> Jonny1: Haha thank god my pc got USB support on boot
[13:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> nope, no idea Coded1
[13:31] <anew> lubuntu is built on lxde so lxde is actually lighter ?
[13:31] <cfhowlett> anew, get them both
[13:31] <Joel__> Jonny1: I never installed from USB, always used a disc myself too. I dont trust USB's really.
[13:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I know the feel Jonny1
[13:31] <ThinkT510> anew: lxde is the desktop environment, lubuntu is a meta package which provides lxde and some other default apps
[13:31] <cfhowlett> anew, different set of packages by default. lighter system load is the goal of both xubuntu and lubutnu
[13:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> I use usb mostly now
[13:32] <Halite> what about kubuntu
[13:32] <Joel__> I downloaded the windows ubuntu installer thing, I hope it make me able to select the partion. :P
[13:32] <Jonny1> Joel__: ntzrmtthihu777: For an old geezer like me there is also some comfort in having a disc in my hand that I can right on with a marker pen
[13:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> unetbootin gave me shit, but the usb-creator-gtk does the trick well
[13:32] <Skyrdr> Yup
[13:32] <Jonny1> And CDs are cheaper too
[13:32] <Skyrdr> I'm stuck now
[13:32]  * ntzrmtthihu777 llols
[13:32] <ThinkT510> Halite: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde by default
[13:33] <Jonny1> Or even write on (I should be able to spell better)
[13:33] <cfhowlett> Joel__, windows installer is for installing ubuntu as  fake "windows" program.  It's for testiing purposes....
[13:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> and they need to (re)make gubuntu *rawr*
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> Jonny1  yes, but usb sticks can be erased and used for the next version
[13:33] <purplerain> what's a gubuntu?
[13:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, wubi.exe = fail
[13:33] <maxb> CDs are also very slow
[13:33] <Joel__> cfhowlett: So it's kind of a virtual OS/machine?
[13:33] <Jonny1> Joel__: If you use the windows installer it will install ubuntu as an application running under windows. Kind of like a virtual OS
[13:33] <ThinkT510> Joel__: avoid wubi, a vm would be better than wubi
[13:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> it does not exist, but it should. ubuntu with pure gnome lol
[13:34] <Jonny1> Joel__: To install it on a partition, you need to boot from a live CD or live USB
[13:34] <ThinkT510> Joel__: not exactly like a vm because no emulation takes place
[13:34] <Joel__> Then I avoid the Wubi haha.
[13:34] <cfhowlett> Joel__, no it actually is ubuntu running but the configuration is a mock "windows" compatible package
[13:34] <Halite> there should be Wubuntu
[13:34] <MonkeyDust> ntzrmtthihu777  there's gnome-remix
[13:35] <Joel__> If you guys would recommend any kind of OS, would you recommend ubuntu?
[13:35] <anew> hmm i think i'll go with lubuntu
[13:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I heard of that. I just did my fallback and I'm good. I just wish it had a default like kxlbuntu does
[13:35] <purplerain> ntzrmtthihu777: what happen if you download ubuntu core and then install the gnome-core package. isn't it the same like "pure" gnome?
[13:35] <MonkeyDust> Joel__  yes, as this is the ubuntu channel
[13:35] <cfhowlett> Joel__, ummm ... yes??? (as he asks in #ubuntu ..._
[13:35] <Halite> Wubuntu would have a Windows interface (probably not gnome) and would be compatible with Windows .exe
[13:35] <Joel__> Haha yeah I know this is ubuntu but I am not familiar with the other similar OS'es
[13:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> I just mean it should be an option to download the iso with it default like ubuntu
[13:36] <Joel__> I am downloading the 12.04 iso now
[13:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> !wine | Halite
[13:36] <Jonny1> MonkeyDust: I didn't say I wasnt old fashioned. My collection of CDs mean I can install old versions not available for download if I want. I own two old machines that cannot run anything beyond 8.04. Then again rewritable CDs or DVDs are still cheaper than USB sticks.
[13:36] <ioria> Joel: if you love risk, you can install cygwin and the gnome enviroment
[13:36] <MonkeyDust> Halite  there's a ubuntu fork with a windows-like look, i forget the name and it's not supported here
[13:36] <ThinkT510> Joel__: if in doubt, try it out in a vm. a vm is a brilliant testing environment (you can mess up anything you want in a vm)
[13:36] <Halite> ntzrmtthihu777, WINE is too confusing
[13:36] <Joel__> ioria: Since I got no experience at all with the OS I rather take the safe route. :)
[13:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> no, its very easy ^_^
[13:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> in fact if you have the gnome destop the wine programs have their own division in the "start menu"
[13:38] <Jonny1> Joel__: It's a matter of personal preference. I prefer Ubuntu because when I first went to linux back in 2008 it was the first one I found easy to install. I think I also tried opensuse and something else but I couldnt figure them out. Ubuntu just installed from the CD and worked
[13:38]  * riderplus is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 13 min 10 secs
[13:38] <bilel> Is this tutorial valid for ubuntu 10.04 lucid? (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs), I don't have any "home" entry in "/etc/fstab" please help me
[13:38] <anew> man i'm confused, lubuntu is lxde+ubuntu... so then what is lxde by itself then? is that possible to install ?
[13:38] <ThinkT510> !away | riderplus
[13:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> that's because your home folder is not on a separate partition
[13:38] <Jonny1> Joel__: I also use Ubuntu Studio. You could try Ubuntu Satanic Edition if you like heavy metal and want a laugh
[13:38] <jrib> bilel: what do you have in /etc/fstab?
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> bilel  instead of struggling with 10.04, consider upgrading... 10.04 will be unsupported in a few weeks from now
[13:39] <cfhowlett> anew, yes.  as I said, you can install lxde
[13:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> holy sh*t, that exists Jonny1 ?
[13:39] <ThinkT510> anew: lxde is the desktop environment, if you are already on any ubuntu flavour then you can install lxde
[13:39] <Joel__> Jonny1: It sounds like a safe bet then. I'll burn it to a CD then. :)
[13:39] <hutonggator_> lubuntu is ubuntu with lxde and a suite of applications as well as a nice startup screen and custom settings to make it pretty
[13:39] <anew> can you install lxde without ubuntu ?
[13:39] <cfhowlett> anew, install it to what?
[13:39] <Joel__> If I want photoshop to run on ubuntu, will I need to use WINE or something like that?
[13:39] <ThinkT510> anew: what do you mean?
[13:39] <Jonny1> bilel: That could just mean you don't have a separate home partition and your /home is simply a subdirectory to / (the root directory)
[13:39] <bilel> jrib: http://pastebin.com/Yb8Sfh15
[13:39] <hutonggator_> yes
[13:39] <Jonny1> ntzrmtthihu777: Google it. It's a laugh
[13:39] <hutonggator_> you can anew, download the mini iso
[13:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> likely, Joel__. or learn to GIMP
[13:39] <cfhowlett> Joel__, wine maybe.  OR you could use gimp
[13:40] <jrib> bilel: what's the output of « mount »?
[13:40] <anew> dunno ... so if i install lxde, and i have ubuntu - isnt that essentially lubuntu ?
[13:40] <hutonggator_> and apt-get install lxde
[13:40] <BluesKaj> anew, lxde is the desktop , ubuntu is the OS ..do some research
[13:40] <ThinkT510> anew: yes
[13:40] <Joel__> I refuse to use GIMP. Only bad experience from that satanic software.
[13:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> I GIMP and imagemagick the hell outta stuff
[13:40] <bilel> jrib: "/dev/vzfs on / type reiserfs (rw,usrquota,grpquota)"
[13:40] <cfhowlett> anew, no. lxde is ONLY the desktop environment.  lubuntu-desktop is the metapackage of all the lubuntu applications
[13:40] <hutonggator_> if you install lxde it's not lubuntu as lubuntu has some differences in configuration from the stock lxde
[13:40] <anew> mmmm i see
[13:40] <anew> ok i think i understand now, thanks
[13:41] <jrib> bilel: you're using openvz?
[13:41] <anew> so the 'most' lightweight thing to have would be lxde plus ubuntu
[13:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntu + lxde + other apps = lubuntu
[13:41] <anew> NOT lubuntu
[13:41] <hutonggator_> no
[13:41] <ThinkT510> !lubuntu | anew
[13:41] <Jonny1> Joel__: Probably. However, there are some programs that wont install under WINE. For them you might need windows running in a virtual box. I use GIMP that comes free with Ubuntu. Once you get used to it and read the wiki you will find it pretty powerful. It might not have all the bells and whistles of photoshop but I like it
[13:41] <hutonggator_> if you're going for lightweight just start with lubuntu
[13:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> Yeah, I have my vbox for RPG Maker XP
[13:42] <hutonggator_> it's easier
[13:42] <ioria> anew: i'm with lubuntu on a pentium 3 with 500 mb ram
[13:42] <cfhowlett> Photoshop 2003 is free online from adobe fwiw
[13:42] <rj_> Hello ; any one tell me about over heating and loss battery power in ubuntu 12.10
[13:42] <Jonny1> ioria: Wow!
[13:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> what kinda laptop, rj_ ?
[13:42] <hutonggator_> as it seems that you don't know where to start with lxde, another option would be to install lxde and just the lubuntu-settings package
[13:42] <Halite> !wubuntu
[13:42] <Halite> !distro
[13:42] <bilel> jrib: not me, I have a virtual host, it's like shared hosting but withouth sharing the system resources with others, each people has its own limitation, i's isolated apparently
[13:42] <Halite> !linux
[13:42] <anew> hutonggator i think i'll just download lubuntu
[13:42] <ThinkT510> !msgthebot | Halite
[13:42] <rj_> acer E1-571G
[13:43] <anew> seems eaiser, but still a tad confused on the difference, seems lubuntu has more apps
[13:43] <hutonggator_> yeah :-) i think that's the best idea
[13:43] <Justakill> I have a corsair k90 keyboard and I can't get it to work properly in ubuntu. its a 16 bit usb keyboard
[13:43] <jrib> bilel: ask your provider how you can enable ACLs then.  They may not even allow you to
[13:43] <rj_> with dual graphics card
[13:43] <Joel__> Jonny1: Ah I see. I've grown up with PS and uses it daily so not having that would be kinda sad.
[13:43] <Justakill> anyone here know how I could get it to work
[13:43] <Justakill> ?
[13:43] <ThinkT510> anew: no, lubuntu has a different set of default apps, thats all
[13:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> rj, what kinda laptop?
[13:44] <rj_> acer
[13:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> if its an hp its got nothing to do with ubuntu, hp is notoreous for overheating.
[13:44] <Coded1> is there something similar to sidewall (clock/widget overlays, live earth, etc) ?
[13:44] <Coded1> for wallpaper
[13:44] <Jonny1> Joel__: I'm not saying it wont work under WINE. You wont know till you try it. I have some windows apps I still need to run. I run some of them under wine and some under windows xp on virtual box
[13:44] <ioria> anew: but you can install what you want
[13:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> conky is nice, Coded1
[13:44] <cfhowlett> Coded1, look in the software center ....
[13:44] <ioria> anew: i installed gnome too
[13:44] <hutonggator_> basically the lubuntu makers decided on a suite of applicaitons that they thought met the goals for the lubuntu project
[13:44]  * ntzrmtthihu777 byes
[13:44] <MonkeyDust> Halite  i guess you want zorin, support in #zorinos
[13:44] <hutonggator_> and made those default in a standard lubuntu installation
[13:44] <Joel__> Jonny1: Ah then I get to see if it works. Does WINE have an impact on the perfomance?
[13:45]  * riderplus is away: (gone away) [BX-MsgLog On]
[13:45] <cfhowlett> !wine|Joel__
[13:45] <Jonny1> Joel__: I would also recommend you install gnome classic as your desktop environment
[13:45] <Jonny1> !gnome
[13:45]  * riderplus is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 0 min 14 secs
[13:45] <jrib> riderplus: please disable the public away notifications
[13:45] <ThinkT510> riderplus: turn that off please
[13:45] <Jonny1> Joel__: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/classicgnome
[13:46] <bilel> jrib: I don't see why I'd wont be allowed, I have no limitation I can install all the packages I want and so
[13:46] <iwd> hello
[13:46] <Jonny1> Joel__: You will also probably want medibuntu
[13:46] <jrib> bilel: well ask your provider :)
[13:47] <Joel__> Jonny1: Some sort of multimedia thing?
[13:47] <bilel> jrib: ok..
[13:47] <a2r> Hi, I have a weird problem. I was on my Ubuntu 12.04 installation and wanted to try the new KDE, so I installed it from kubuntu-ppa/backports and then my audio input was weirdly broken, so i removed it again, after a reboot the computer schows me only this http://i.imgur.com/bRgFmaY.jpg (last sentence is mountall: connection to plymouth closed. Does anybode have some tipps?
[13:47] <Jonny1> !medibuntu
[13:47] <ThinkT510> Joel__: most people won't need medibuntu
[13:47] <Jonny1> Joel__: It gives you things like DVD and MP3 support
[13:48] <rj_> my acer aspire E1 laptop lose power
[13:48] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:48] <ThinkT510> Jonny1: mp3 support is available in the default repos already
[13:48] <Joel__> Why wont it support dvd and such in the first place?
[13:48] <ThinkT510> Jonny1: has been for years
[13:48] <cfhowlett> Joel__, because those are propietary codecs
[13:49] <Jonny1> Joel__: Also see restricted extras. Because of a licensing issue. The DVD encrypted format can't be released under the GNU Public Licence I think
[13:49] <ThinkT510> Joel__: lisence issues
[13:49] <Jonny1> ThinkT510: Shows how out of date, I am
[13:49] <Joel__> Ah. Thats odd
[13:50] <SterkaSor> hi will the feutures and things for unity that will land in 13.04 be backported to ubuntu 12.04.*?
[13:51] <Jonny1> Joel__: It's a slight pain of open source but there is a way round it. Just installing proprietary codecs sorts it. I think they can't be included in Ubuntu because in some countries they might not be legal or something like that. I forget exactly why but it probably mentions something in the webpages other people posted
[13:51] <theadmin> SterkaSor: Usually not, unless someone else does it.
[13:51] <DJones> SterkaSor: Generally no, some things may be, but normally, the versions in 12.04 will stay the same
[13:51] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu+1|SterkaSor,
[13:51] <SterkaSor> theadmin: what is then benifit of running LTS?
[13:51] <Joel__> Jonny1: I never thought there would be such a problem, I've used windows 7 all the time and took it all for granted eh? :P
[13:52] <ThinkT510> SterkaSor: longer support
[13:52] <cfhowlett> SterkaSor, long term support ... 5 years for 12.04
[13:52] <Jonny1> Joel__: Are you OK for a few minutes? I have to reboot into win7 now as my work's remote desktop connection doesnt work under ubuntu since they couldnt be arsed to develop it for linux. I will be back in a few minutes
[13:52] <DJones> SterkaSor: Stability, people planning to use it know that the software versions won't change
[13:52] <SterkaSor> ThinkT510 and cfhowlett yeah I know longer support. But how does it help when package gets outdated?
[13:52] <Joel__> Jonny1: Aight, godspeed! :)
[13:52] <hutonggator_> it's like buying a sedan vs. an experimental race car you know the sedan will work for a while
[13:53] <hutonggator_> the race car could break down and you'd need to install new components or tinker more
[13:53] <jrib> SterkaSor: what you are thinking of as "outdated", others think of as "stable".  Newer software isn't necessarily better software
[13:53] <SterkaSor> DJones: outdated package is not the same has program will work during al does years correctly.
[13:53] <Jonny1> Joel__: You will get used to the limitations. Generally less than the limitations windows puts on you but ultimately you will decide what you prefer and make your own choice what you use. You can always go back to win when you need to
[13:53] <cfhowlett> SterkaSor, the overall LTS releases are more "polished" and less bleeding edge than the interim releases.  future updates can be had via backports or manually installing them.
[13:54] <cfhowlett> SterkaSor, for example, I installed libreoffice 4.0 last night.  not in the repos, yet.  3 command lines, 15 minutes, done.
[13:56] <mike304> morning guys
[13:57] <Hyperbyte> Installing Ubuntu on my laptop says, near the end of the install, "the installer has encountered an unrecoverable error"... any way it's going to tell me what exactly the error is, so I can fix it? :)
[13:57] <cfhowlett> mike304, greetings
[13:57] <mike304> anyone experiencing random freeze and then restart right after that?
[13:57] <cfhowlett> Hyperbyte, is it still running?
[13:57] <cfhowlett> !anyone|mike304,
[13:57] <Hyperbyte> cfhowlett, sure, it dropped me to a desktop session
[13:58] <nibbler__> Hyperbyte: try accessing the text-consoles (ctrl)-alt-f1-f4
[13:58] <purplerain> mike304: random freeze after GRUB?
[13:58] <mike304> not sure
[13:58] <mike304> its just random freezeing, mouse stops working
[13:58] <mike304> and then it restarts
[13:58] <Hyperbyte> nibbler__, no info there, just shells
[13:58] <cfhowlett> Hyperbyte, good deal.   access console, check the logs.  sadly IDK which log you'll want, but it should be there somewhere
[13:59] <cfhowlett> !details|mike304, not enough info to help.  details matter.
[13:59] <nibbler__> Hyperbyte: check higher consoles
[13:59] <Jonny1> Joel__: The things I prefer about Ubuntu: I can install ubuntu in under an hour and it comes with a bunch of apps built in. My current record with win xp and all the updates is a day and a half and about twenty reboots (or at least it feels like it). Installing software is usually very quick and can be done with one command from the command line or is as simple as clicking a box and pressing submit in the Software Centre. Occasionally if th
[14:00] <Jonny1> Joel__: Then you add better security and almost complete immunity to viruses. I could go on ad nauseam!
[14:00] <Joel__> Jonny1: I saw my friend play around with it in school. All he seems to do is to play around in terminal and update his OS.
[14:00] <Hyperbyte> cfhowlett, nice!  Found it... in /var/log/installer/dm... it says "Illegal instruction" :-)  Hopefully there's more somewhere.
[14:00] <Jonny1> Joel__: Maybe he's a geek!
[14:00]  * cfhowlett ... MAYBE he's a geek???
[14:01] <Joel__> Hes an ubuntu fanboy alright, if he was on I would let him guidem through the process but hes probably off somewhere installing ubuntu on a machine from '97
[14:01] <Jonny1> My friend doesnt know anything technical about computers and she is quite happy using ubuntu. In fact she prefer's it to windows now and that happened on the first day
[14:01] <Joel__> I've got the iso downloaded, would it just be that easy to burn it with nero or something, then boot the cd?
[14:01] <theadmin> Joel__: Yeah, just burn the image like you normally would.
[14:01] <cfhowlett> Joel__, nero is good
[14:02] <Jonny1> Joel__: You have to burn it as an image not as a file but yes
[14:02] <theadmin> Joel__: You can also use a USB stick.
[14:02] <ioria> Joel_: pay attention... not copy but burn the compressed image
[14:02] <Jonny1> Joel__: You can get under the hood as much or as little as you like.
[14:03] <Joel__> theadmin: How would I proceed to do on an USB? Just put the file on there and then boot from USB? THat easy?
[14:03] <MonkeyDust> Joel__  use unetbootin
[14:03] <theadmin> Joel__: No, not that easy
[14:03] <Joel__> Jonny1: Nero seem to know how to burn Iso files haha
[14:03] <cfhowlett> Joel__, unetbootin
[14:03] <Jonny1> Joel__: https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8ion=1&#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=3&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=4y_HAmpQI9iWbKQhBMlKGQ&cp=23&gs_id=8&xhr=t&q=install+ubuntu+from+usb&es_nrs=true&pf=p&newwindow=1&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&oq=install+ubuntu+from+usb&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42553238,d.d2k&fp=c73b2e14325bafc9&biw=1280&bih=938
[14:03] <theadmin> Joel__: Use the imagewriter tool provided by the Ubuntu team, or unetbootin
[14:04] <MonkeyDust> Joel__  http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[14:04] <theadmin> Joel__: or dd, if you're on a UNIX system.
[14:04] <Jonny1> Joel__: Sorry that was my google search for install ubuntu from usb. What I meant to post was https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[14:04] <VlanX> it is not possible to have nautilus to sort the folder based theyr size, right?
[14:05] <Jonny1> VlanX: I don't see why not. View the file list as a detail view and then click on the date column
[14:05] <theadmin> VlanX: Folders don't have size
[14:05] <jrib> VlanX: right click → arrange items → by size
[14:05] <Joel__> Okay I'll download the software for boot from usb now. :p
[14:06] <theadmin> jrib, Jonny1: Folders don't have "size" as such. I'm not sure if that's the case for Nautilus, but Thunar only displays the overall size of all items in a folder if I go into its' properties
[14:06] <Jonny1> Joel__: Good luck. If  you can stay in here on another device, people will be able to hold your hand if you encounter problems
[14:06] <theadmin> Quite likely that Nautilus acts in a similar fashion
[14:07] <Joel__> Jonny1: For this occasion I wish I brought home my schoollaptop
[14:07] <Jonny1> Joel__: I use an irc client on my phone when I have problems with my computer and I cant get access to another computer
[14:07] <mvt007geek> what is DVEVM boards? and is a usb nand flash?
[14:08] <Jonny1> Joel__: But the first time I installed Ubuntu I didnt even know about IRC or the forums and it installed with no problems. This was back in 2008 on ubuntu 8.04
[14:08] <jrib> theadmin: I think nautilus just computes the sum of the sizes of files in the directory
[14:08] <livingdaylight> can i install ubuntu on my HTC Desire HD?
[14:08] <Joel__> Jonny1: I should be alright, I am just installing it on another partion so nothing should go wrong haha
[14:08] <thaurwylth> Is this information dated or current? Ubuntu 12.04 here. 'Like other USB  devices, Terratec audio devices do not have hardware mixers. You need to create a custom .asoundrc file, using the softvol  plugin, to provide software level mixing.
[14:08] <thaurwylth> '
[14:08] <Jonny1> Back in a minute. I need to boot into windows
[14:08] <cfhowlett> livingdaylight, is that a phone?
[14:09] <Jonny1> For my work remote connection
[14:09] <theadmin> jrib: Thunar seems to get the data from the output of "ls -l" or somesuch, because all folders are displayed with a 4K size
[14:09] <livingdaylight> cfhowlett: yes
[14:09] <neowb> Does anyone know how I can use my ext4 formatted USB drive from multiple Computers and Ubuntu accounts without Ubuntu restricting the newly created files and folders???
[14:09] <cfhowlett> !arm|livingdaylight,
[14:09] <cfhowlett> !phone|livingdaylight,
[14:09] <mvt007geek> what is DVEVM boards? and is a usb nand flash?
[14:09] <hilarie> Okay, I need help installing a package that works for 12.10, but is broken for 12.04, and I would rather not upgrade 10 machines to 12.10 for one package, is this at all possible?
[14:09] <cfhowlett> !patience|mvt007geek,
[14:09] <jrib> hilarie: be more specific
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> mvt007geek  http://www.dm6446.com/dvevm/
[14:09] <hilarie> jrib mpich2 - 1.4.1-4ubuntu1
[14:10] <cfhowlett> hilarie, possibly.  details ....
[14:10] <vekexasia> Hello everyone. I'm getting mad trying to filter the mysql traffic with iptraf 3.0... It always show me 0
[14:10] <hilarie> This bug is getting me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpich2/+bug/1038051
[14:10] <jrib> hilarie: you should say how it's broken and link to bug report
[14:10] <neowb> mvt007geek  was the question towards me?
[14:11] <mvt007geek> neowb: why? :)
[14:11] <hilarie> This is the error I am getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/1663737/ and this is the bug report I believe is affecting me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpich2/+bug/1038051
[14:12] <mvt007geek> MonkeyDust: so it is something like pandaboard?
[14:12] <neowb> wasnt sure nvm  I can now see its not :)
[14:12] <mvt007geek> MonkeyDust: an embeded?
[14:12] <jrib> hilarie: seems like the fix should be backported since the package is unusable without it.... But you can grab the source package from 12.10 and attempt to rebuild it on 12.04.  That's probably the most straightforward method.  Also see ubottu about backports, there may be some hints there
[14:12] <jrib> !backport | hilarie
[14:12] <MonkeyDust> mvt007geek  i had never heard about it before you asked, maybe that link is useful to you
[14:12] <hilarie> Oh god, building from source is scary though
[14:13] <mvt007geek> MonkeyDust: yes that was  my friend
[14:13] <mvt007geek> :)
[14:13] <Jonny1> hilarie: Dont sweat it. Just follow instructions and work methodically
[14:13] <Jonny1> hilarie: For me it's not scary, I am jsut lazy!
[14:13] <micza> hej
[14:14] <jrib> hilarie: you're just build a package from the source package.  It's not the same as what you are thinking of when you say "building from source" probably
[14:14] <jrib> !source | hilarie
[14:14] <hilarie> Every time I have broken away from apt-get something or the other, I have blown up my server, for instance, I once found something that had me enable the debian Sid repo for a dependancy....
[14:15] <jrib> hilarie: here's the sru process.  You might want to request that it be done if this package is unusable without the fix in 12.04:
[14:15] <yeats> hilarie: yeah - that's when you weigh the benefits of installing the package vs. the cost of the pain installing it and risking your system
[14:15] <jrib> !sru | hilarie
[14:15] <jrib> hilarie: you aren't breaking away from apt-get
[14:16] <Jonny1> hilarie: You could test it on a virtual box guest OS first to mitigate the risk
[14:16] <Jonny1> or on another machjine
[14:16] <hilarie> These are all already in virtualbox, I suppose I could make snapshots...
[14:16] <some1_> hi there
[14:16] <yeats> hilarie: yep +1 to that idea
[14:16] <hilarie> I am 30 hours into making an imaginary beowulf cluster
[14:16] <Burritoh> wow, this ubottu thing really knows its stuff :P
[14:16] <some1_> happy ubuntu-ing
[14:16] <hilarie> 28 of which was on virtualbox networking
[14:17] <yeats> !botsnack
[14:17] <Burritoh> :P
[14:17] <yeats> hilarie: wow - you might consider KVM for that
[14:17] <yeats> hilarie: oh -nevermind - I though you meant 28 machines - sorry ;-)
[14:17] <LaserShark> aptitude! no wait, apt-get.
[14:17] <hilarie> 10 Machines :)
[14:18] <yeats> hilarie: well it would be a project for another day, but you might *still* want to look into KVM
[14:19] <Ruchee> Hello
[14:19] <hilarie> Yeats My next project is actually just that, want to set up a home cloud and see if you can make 1 cloud virtual machine and have it span accross many computers
[14:19] <yeats> hilarie: cool
[14:20] <VlanX> jrib: no, i mean how to recursively view the size of every folder...
[14:20] <Jonny1> hilarie: Sounds a bit like Citrix
[14:20] <Ruchee> ?
[14:20] <jrib> VlanX: use baobab for that
[14:20] <hilarie> Okay, I got distracted, could anyone explain to me what I should do to get that 12.10 package on 12.04?
[14:21] <VlanX> jrib: so there's nothing that can work inside nautilus?
[14:21] <yeats> !info mpich2
[14:21] <jrib> VlanX: not recursively, that I know of, no
[14:21] <yeats> !info mpich2 precise
[14:22] <VlanX> jrib: ok, thank you for your help
[14:22] <hilarie> Yeats MPICH2 is broken on 12.04
[14:22] <yeats> hilarie: yeah - I was just seeing what the versions were
[14:22] <hilarie> Sorry :)
[14:23] <Ruchee> join #rails-cn
[14:24] <Skyrdr> Odd..
[14:24] <yeats> hilarie: I would consider just downloading the deb for your architecture here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/mpich2 - then doing 'sudo dpkg -i <packagename>'
[14:25] <Skyrdr> I've installed steam, installed tf2..
[14:25] <Skyrdr> Where are the local files..
[14:25] <hilarie> Yeats I will give that a shot, thank you
[14:27] <yeats> Skyrdr: try ~/.steam
[14:27] <hilarie> Yeats is this what they call dependancy hell? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1663810/
[14:27] <mikili> hi
[14:27] <yeats> hilarie: yep
[14:28] <hilarie> It was a great day when I learned about *.deb :D
[14:28] <mikili> hi all
[14:29] <LaserShark> :D
[14:29] <yeats> yeah - try installing http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libmpich2-3 and then try 'sudo apt-get install libhwloc5'
[14:29] <Skyrdr> yeats:
[14:29] <Skyrdr> It says it exists in home/skyrider/.steam
[14:29] <yeats> hilarie: ^^
[14:29] <Skyrdr> why is it hidden
[14:30] <Skyrdr> I can't find it when I browse my own home folder.
[14:30] <yeats> Skyrdr: many apps have hidden folders in your home folder
[14:30] <hilarie> Yeats will give that a shot
[14:30] <yeats> Skyrdr: View -> Hidden Folders (or whatever it is)
[14:31] <mikili> hi
[14:31] <Skyrdr> Why ty
[14:31] <mike304> hey how come the animations are smooth enough? its laggy
[14:31] <hilarie> Thank you Yeats, giving that a shot
[14:32] <yeats> hilarie: happy to help
[14:36] <deoj> hey folks
[14:36] <deoj> can someone help me with some audio issues?
[14:36] <deoj> audio/recording/screen casting issues rather?
[14:37] <Soelen> sudo apt-get install /leave
[14:38] <deoj> hello?
[14:38] <hilarie> Hello Deoj, please have patience
[14:38] <hilarie> What version are you running, what hardware are you running, what have you tried, what error are you getting, is probably some of the questions someone who knows how to help is going to ask
[14:39] <deoj> 12.04
[14:39] <deoj> hold on, ill get the specs
[14:40] <deoj> Intel® Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz × 2
[14:40] <deoj> Kernel Linux 3.2.0-37-generic-pae
[14:40] <deoj> Memory2.5 GiB
[14:41] <deoj> I basically tried to mute my hd webcam to mute so I can record from my microphone
[14:41] <deoj> but when I mute the webcam, it mutes all other recording devices
[14:42] <bourbon> hi
[14:42] <hilarie> Hello Dr_willis
[14:42] <hilarie> Deoj, say all of that again, in 1 line for that guy, he is smart
[14:42] <mikili> hi
[14:43] <mvt007geek> hey guys i mounted  usb drive but it ask me the type of filesystem. i added -t ext4 but it didn't work
[14:43] <mvt007geek> what should i do?
[14:43] <deoj> okay, should I go to an alsa room?
[14:43] <mvt007geek> ?
[14:43] <zAo^2> can someone help me installing server?
[14:43] <MonkeyDust> deoj  in a terminal, type alsamixer    is that useful?
[14:43] <hilarie> Deoj It just takes patience sometimes!
[14:43] <MonkeyDust> zAo^2  #ubuntu-server
[14:43] <zAo^2> I got "Your installation CDROM couldnt be mounted"
[14:44]  * riderplus Gooo away
[14:44] <zAo^2> k MonkeyDust
[14:44] <neowb> Hi, would anyone know how I can use my ext4 formatted USB flash drive from multiple ubuntu Computers without Ubuntu setting file permissions to the newly created files?
[14:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> Just popping back on to say I got it partly done, my card is now recognized
[14:46] <hilarie> Yeats each package wanted a couple more packages, thinking I will deal with shorter life cycle and upgrade to 12.10 lol
[14:47] <cholby69> I'm actually pretty impressed with Windows 8
[14:47] <deoj> that is weird, now it works...forgive my ignorance, im still learning the ins and outs of ubuntu
[14:48] <deoj> was that command a reset type of command? it looked like just a general command to start a program
[14:48] <Hamtechperson> I'm impressed with windows 8 too... On tablets.
[14:48] <Hamtechperson> Or touch interfaces.
[14:49] <hilarie> Windows8 is great if you want to break half of the games, if you can't game on the newest version of windows, maybe devolopers will finally start doing more for linux :D
[14:49] <DJones> ##windows for windows discussion pleae
[14:49] <purplerain> i thought i was looking at ##windows
[14:50] <cholby69> hilarie i game on xbox 360
[14:50] <cholby69> none of my friends are PC gamers.  :-(  so i have no reason to either
[14:50] <cholby69> oh question.  i just got a new laptop and want to benchmark it.  what's a good benchmark program and also what's a good game to test out graphics?
[14:51] <cholby69> is Crysis 3 out yet?
[14:51] <Joel__> You wanna kill your laptop already?
[14:52] <deoj> Just curious, why is it that I have to raise the input recording level on 100%?
[14:52] <deoj> anyways, its working now, thanks hil
[14:52] <hilarie> Because 100% would be catching everything, and anything less is getting less of it?
[14:52] <Naphatul> why do i have "Online accounts" in my settings when i didn't install anything like that, what does it come with? also, why are there 2 of those?
[14:53] <Naphatul> see here: http://i.imgur.com/ASMplwM.png
[14:53] <hilarie> Its if you had to raise it above 100 that I would be freaked out
[14:53] <deoj> i guess im use to puting recording devices at 75 to 80%...anything higher was too sensitive
[14:53] <sdrhrgjkng> I've read conflicting advice, should I enable or disable intel speedstep in the bios?
[14:53] <deoj> when i used xp and 7
[14:54] <Taylr0x> Is there anywhere you can set filetype's to always open via a certain program?
[14:55] <mike304> anyone lagg on ubuntu? not hardcore lagg but just regular animation laggs?
[14:55] <jorge> Hi everyone.  I completed a fresh Ubuntu 12.10 earlier this week to replace my existing 12.04 install.  Compared to Precise, Quantal seems to run A LOT hotter, with the fans running at max rpm nearly all the time, whereas 12.04 was cool and very quiet.  What's odd is that neither System monitor nor Top indicate any cpu-intensive processes, with the CPU idling at 2-5%.  For context, I 've had Linux mint 13 KDE on the same laptop, which ran fine, however, Mint
[14:55] <jorge> 14 KDE exhibited the exact same symptoms as 12.10.  Any ideas on why this is happening?
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> Taylr0x  right click on a file, properties, open with, set as default
[14:56] <Naphatul> Taylr0x, right click>open with>other application, it should be there somewhere
[14:56] <Joel__> Trying to shrink my partition and then the program stops responding hurrr
[14:56] <Taylr0x> Excellent. Thank you MonkeyDust & Naphatul.
[14:57] <escott> neowb, ext4 supports the normal permission set.
[15:00] <escott> jorge, what kind of graphics card
[15:00] <jorge> @ escott:  Intel integrated graphics
[15:02] <lskakko>  /load .xchat2/budus.so
[15:04] <NetFlam> Hi!
[15:05] <jin> hi
[15:06] <jin> hi?
[15:06] <jin> someone online here?
[15:06] <jin> ?
[15:06] <bekks> Look at "/names"
[15:06] <ThinkT510> jin: don't need to greet everyone
[15:07] <jin> "/name
[15:08] <kimir> How can I install compiz from 13.04? I want to have different wallpapers in each workspaces, but it seems it is broken in 12.10...
[15:08] <NetFlam> #ubuntu+1
[15:09] <kimir> I'm not using raring...
[15:09] <NetFlam> aaa
[15:09] <bekks> kimir: You should not mix packages from different releases, it will most likely break your system.
[15:09] <yeats> kimir: no one here is going to recommend that you do that
[15:10] <kimir> Hmmm... Is 13.04 stable enough to be used?
[15:10] <kimir> I really want different wallpapers :)
[15:11] <BluesKaj> you don't need 13.04 justy for different wallp[apers you use use your pictures file as a source for them if choose to, kimir
[15:11] <theadmin> BluesKaj: I think that was a joke
[15:11] <BluesKaj> theadmin, ..how can you tell :)
[15:12] <kimir> What was a joke? O.o
[15:12] <sahil> hello i need a help in libre office
[15:12] <theadmin> kimir: No release is considered stable before it's released, so nope, it's not stable
[15:12] <theadmin> sahil: #libreoffice would be a better place to ask.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> well, i'm on 13.04 Kubuntu ...running very stable atm
[15:13] <sahil> i have downloaded libreoffice 4.0  but i dont want to install full libreoffice components like base ,calc,database etc
[15:13] <hilarie> I have kind of on odd question, I have several VPS's with ubuntu on them, and they are all tiny when they start, like around 400mb of used disk space to start, where can I get an image like that?
[15:13] <Taylr0x> How do I check if a program is running via terminal and then terminate it if it's malfunctioning?
[15:14] <MonkeyDust> Taylr0x  ps -e|grep blah
[15:14] <bekks> Taylr0x: The latter is impossible.
[15:14] <sahil> _theadmin i just need a proper dpkg or related command to install few componets like writer and impress from downloaded debs(from their website)
[15:14] <goodwin> i got a system error
[15:15] <goodwin> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[15:15] <bekks> goodwin: And whats the complete output of the command producing that error? Use a pastebin please.
[15:15] <hilarie> sahil if you have .deb sudo dpkg -i *.deb will do it
[15:16] <Taylr0x> Isn't there a kill command?
[15:16] <sahil> any help?
[15:16] <hilarie> pkill <name> or sudo pkill name
[15:16] <bekks> Taylr0x: There is. But that doesnt help you determining wether a program is malfunctioning.
[15:16] <hilarie> Sahil which packages, from which website?
[15:16] <bekks> Taylr0x: There are kill and pkill.
[15:16] <Taylr0x> Many thanks hilarie. bekks I just want to end the program as I can't see it running to stop it.
[15:17] <sevenhill> nepomuk still try to index .h files even text/x-c++hdr is added default exclude-mime-type . On the other hand if i  add ".h" to exclude file type list its working fine. So text/x-c++hdr is not enough or text/x-c++hdr is not defined as
[15:17] <hilarie> Taylorox if you have a good idea of what it is you can also use wildcards and stuff, pkill *somth*ng
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> sevenhill  C development?
[15:17] <sahil> _hilarie that command installs everything.
[15:17] <goodwin> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1653123/
[15:18] <Taylr0x> hilarie, I'm trying to close down Banshee but it's still playing music in the background even when I go to 'close'.
[15:18] <hilarie> Sahil is that not what you wanted? sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[15:18] <Taylr0x> I can't seem to stop it.
[15:18] <sevenhill> MonkeyDust, kde nepomuk project ( an indexer ) is acting wrong
[15:18] <compdoc> thats why they call it Banshee
[15:18] <compdoc> jk :)
[15:18] <dr_willis> Taylr0x:  looked in the  little speaker menu at the top right?
[15:18] <hilarie> try this in terminal sudo shutdown -r now (reboot)
[15:18] <bekks> goodwin: You should read all that warnings too, thats why at least on file is being ignored.
[15:18] <goodwin> bekks: actually the same error for system error appearing on the screen top
[15:19] <Taylr0x> dr_willis, Didn't even know that little widget existed. That's where the little bugger is hiding. Many thanks!
[15:19] <sahil> I have downloaded the entire tar bar from their official website,extracting it contains deb files  of its full suite that is calc,base writer,math ... i just need to install writer and impress
[15:19] <sevenhill> but it isn't probable because of kde . it is probably about ubuntu because the text/x-c++hdr is not defined
[15:19] <dr_willis> Taylr0x:  :) its a feature.. not a bug. ;P
[15:20] <Taylr0x> dr_willis, haha it's me being a complete prat more like and not knowing how to use it properly =p
[15:20] <anew> hmmm it seems i cant install guest additions?
[15:20] <goodwin> bekks: how do i get around this? I'd been annoyed by this issue for several days. cannot install anything
[15:21] <bekks> anew: Why...?
[15:21] <bekks> goodwin: Choose another mirror.
[15:21] <anew> not sure i've tried a few things, first straight from the menu it says it cant unmount
[15:21] <hilarie> !pm Sahil
[15:21] <anew> second from the command line i run the file
[15:21] <bekks> anew: How did you install vbox?
[15:21] <anew> it seems like it works, but then none of the guest addition options are available
[15:21] <goodwin> bekks: how? edit /etc/apt/source.list?
[15:21] <anew> i restart still nothing
[15:21] <anew> how did i install vbox? what do u mean
[15:21] <dearn> Hello ppl. Didn't use any Linux for a while, but noticed Ubuntu is starting pretty slowly, checked dmesg and seems like there is 15 seconds gap in log
[15:21] <bekks> goodwin: Thats one of the many ways to do it.
[15:22] <goodwin> bekks: i did vbox many days ago. no this issue at that time
[15:22] <bekks> anew: I want to know how you installed vbox. Did you think about it, and it appeared, did you run some command, etc.?
[15:22] <anew> i mean i just downloaded it and installed it...
[15:22] <kutulal> does anyone knows a network tool which shows network transmission history?
[15:22] <bekks> goodwin: vbox is the issue I am discussing with anew :)
[15:22] <ThinkT510> bekks: i think he is running ubuntu inside vbox on windows
[15:22] <bekks> anew: Then follow the vbox manual on how to install the guest additions.
[15:23] <anew> what...
[15:23] <dearn> http://pastebin.com/qp7Xbuvq any idea what might be causing this pause?
[15:23] <anew> i just described all the steps in the manual
[15:23] <anew> it didnt install... igoogled for some people with the same errors but couldnt find anything
[15:23] <rita_> i have a problem with my philips 17" ubuntu dedect a 15"
[15:24] <bekks> anew: No. The ONLY way described in the manual is to use the shipped iso to install the guest additions. And you did NOT describe the other ways described in the manual to install the guest additions.
[15:24] <kutulal> does anyone knows a network tool which shows network transmission history?
[15:24] <bekks> anew: Using the menu entry is just one of the ways to install the guest additions.
[15:24] <mainerror__> kutulal: Like sent packages?
[15:24] <ThinkT510> kutulal: kind of difficult after the fact
[15:25] <rita_> #join/ubuntu-be
[15:25] <anew> bekks i'm not sure what manual you're looking at
[15:25] <anew> but the one i'm looking at says click devices and go to install guest additions
[15:25] <anew> which is exactly what i just said above
[15:25] <anew> as i tried
[15:25] <rita_> join /iubuntu-be
[15:25] <bekks> anew: the official vbox manual.
[15:25] <kutulal> like how much dat you downloaded/uploaded in web for a month
[15:25] <anew> http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#idp11154112
[15:25] <Joel__> If I install ubuntu from a usb, what format does it need to be? NTSF?
[15:25] <DJones> rita_: its "/join #ubuntu-be"
[15:25] <anew> if this isnt the official vbox manual then you know something the creators dont
[15:25] <bekks> anew: And that manual tells you a second, manual way to install the guest additions.
[15:26] <mainerror__> Joel__: vfat will do.
[15:26] <TakeItEZ> !info vnstat  | kutulal:  like this?
[15:26] <Joel__> mainerror__: The options I got when I format is exFAT, FAT and NTSF.
[15:26] <kutulal> thanks guys!
[15:26] <rita_> #join /ubuntu-be
[15:26] <mainerror__> Joel__: FAT
 rita_: its "/join #ubuntu-be"
[15:26] <ThinkT510> Joel__: its called ntfs not ntsf
[15:27] <rita_> how can i join a other channel
[15:27] <sahil> _hilarie i downloaded libreoffice full suite from their official website , a compressed file with 100s of debs,satisfying all dependencies.I want to install just the writer and impress from that
 rita_: its "/join #ubuntu-be"
[15:27] <ThinkT510> rita_: /join #nameofchannel
[15:27] <Joel__> ThinkT510: I was never able to remember the letters.
[15:27] <rita_> Marlinc, thnks
[15:27] <sahil> i downloaded from here http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=deb-x86&lang=en-US&version=4.0.0
[15:27] <hilarie> Sahil I am sorry, I have *no* idea how to do that, why don't you want the whole suite though?
[15:28] <Opiate> Hey, quick question here
[15:28] <Opiate> Is it possible to install Ubuntu without using a CD or a Flash Drive?
[15:28] <Joel__> mainerror__: For some reason my computer cnat find theUSB when its fat. I guess I have to go and burn it to a disco ro so
[15:28] <bekks> Opiate: Yes.
[15:28] <mainerror__> Joel__: That's easy. New Technology File System (NTFS)
[15:28] <DJones> !netinstall | Opiate
[15:29] <Taylr0x> sahil, Why don't you install the individual office packages via the software centre?
[15:29] <dr_willis> Opiate:  you can set up a server to do a netboot from and install that way.  or a debootstrap install.. but thats getting hard core.
[15:29] <Opiate> Would mounting the .iso on virtual clonedrive work?
[15:29] <kutulal> how to use vnstat?
[15:29] <mainerror__> Joel__: Interesting, which operating system are you on?
[15:29] <bekks> Opiate: No.
[15:29] <dr_willis> Opiate:  virtual clonedrive?
[15:29] <Taylr0x> sahil, You can install specific areas from in there. E.g. spreadsheets only, word processing only etc.
[15:29] <ThinkT510> kutulal: man vmstat
[15:29] <Joel__> mainerror__: W7, so it should work just fine. :|
[15:29] <rita_>  /jion #ubuntu-nl
[15:29] <anew> well does anyone have any help for installing guest additions
[15:29] <rita_>  /join #ubuntu-nl
[15:29] <kutulal> any instruction, please
[15:30] <MonkeyDust> rita_  zonder die spatie
[15:30] <mainerror__> Joel__: Indeed, it should work. I don't have access to a Win7 machine right now, but formatting it using fat32 should work just fine.
[15:30] <bekks> anew: Insert the iso into the virtual cd of the vm, mount it, run the installer. THATS what the manual says.
[15:30] <ThinkT510> rita_: no space infront
[15:30] <dr_willis> kutulal:  start with man vnstat  ?
[15:30] <kutulal> Ok!
[15:30] <dr_willis> !info vnstat
[15:30] <anew> that's what i did and said i did
[15:31] <kutulal> opened man vnstat
[15:31] <anew> i cant even tell if ur helping or trolling
[15:31] <rita_> who can help me with my pilips monitor
[15:31] <kutulal> can't get anything
[15:31] <bekks> anew: No it is not. You said you clicked on that menu entry.
[15:31] <bekks> anew: Which is not attaching an iso to the cd drive in the settings of the vm, etc.
[15:31] <anew> that was the first thing i tried, the second thing i tried is running the installer after mounting it
[15:31] <bekks> anew: And running the installer produced WHICH output?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> !who | anew
[15:32] <rita_> who can help me with my pilips monitor ubuntu say that it is a philips 15" but real it is a philips 17" philips 17B
[15:32] <Joel__> mainerror__: I try to add the files with another liveboot cd program. Maybe I am in better luck that way
[15:32] <anew> k sorry blueskaj
[15:32] <mainerror__> Joel__: Best tool I can recommend is Unetbootin
[15:32] <anew> bekks it produced the output that it succeeded ! which is why i dont understand why it's not installed
[15:32] <dr_willis> kutulal:  and how long have you had vnstat running?
[15:32] <Joel__> mainerror__: That one didnt work
[15:32] <mainerror__> :(
[15:32] <anew> let me do it again and pastebin bekks
[15:32] <oakwhiz> I installed fglrx-experimental-9 and now I'm stuck in text mode :-(
[15:32] <Joel__> Maybe it does work but I coudlnt find the USB on boot with it
[15:33] <kutulal> when try to run vnstat, get output: not enough data availiable yet!
[15:33] <BluesKaj> rita_, check  additional drivers , for a better graphics card driver
[15:33] <mainerror__> Is that option enabled in your BIOS Joel__?
[15:33] <mainerror__> Maybe you have to activate that manually.
[15:33] <dr_willis> kutulal:  and thats why.. it has to record some data to have somthing to report...
[15:33] <Opiate> Well I just found a really quick and easy way to install ubuntu without a CD or USB drive
[15:33] <UserLinux> hay All, I have a problem
[15:33] <dr_willis> kutulal:  check it in a few hours
[15:33] <Joel__> mainerror__: I've looked through the options. It should work.
[15:33] <mainerror__> That's odd.
[15:33] <rita_> BluesKaj, how can i do that
[15:34] <kutulal> dr_willis: Okay
[15:34] <UserLinux> when going to ubuntu booting, shift >> grub>> ubuntu recovery mode
[15:34] <BluesKaj> rita` alt+f2 , additional drivers
[15:35] <rita_> BluesKaj,  im using ubuntu 12.04
[15:36] <UserLinux> hay All, I have a problem
[15:36] <kutulal> dr_willis: got output,thanks!
[15:36] <unhuman> hey
[15:36] <UserLinux> when going to ubuntu booting, shift >> grub>> ubuntu recovery mode
[15:36] <unhuman> my ubuntu server is suddenly rejecting all ssh connections...what to do?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> rita` alt+f2 , type in the textbox , additional drivers
[15:37] <Opiate> wait...damnit, I can't install ubuntu, I need another HDD
[15:37] <UserLinux> login >> insert a password>> enter
[15:37] <rita_> BluesKaj, the i got a news screen with the possebility to type somthing
[15:37] <mainerror__> BluesKaj: That won't work.
[15:37] <UserLinux> so... "login session error"
[15:37] <ThinkT510> Opiate: or reoganise your partitions or use a vm
[15:37] <bekks> unhuman: What did you do before? :)
[15:37] <UserLinux> do you know, why this?
[15:38] <rita_> how can i see what screen driver is installed
[15:38] <UserLinux> error in login-session...
[15:38] <UserLinux> who can help me?
[15:38] <bekks> UserLinux: There are numerous reason for that error.
[15:38] <rita_> how can i see what screen driver is installed
[15:38] <anew> bekks are you still there http://pastebin.com/jTj2a7Eb
[15:38] <mainerror__> BluesKaj: As far as I know jockey isn't installed anymore by default.
[15:39] <anew> this is the output i get
[15:39] <sirspazzolot> so I have two computers on ubuntu here. internet working fine on both. tasksel installed and working (in theory) on both. one can install lamp-server, the other can't download files from the repositories.
[15:39] <ThinkT510> rita_: lsmod will give you a list of the loaded kernel modules
[15:39] <bekks> anew: Then reboot the vm now.
[15:39] <unhuman> bekks: the last thing i did was to edit some php files
[15:39] <sirspazzolot> the problem computer can also never fully update the repos with apt-get update. a few of them always fail.
[15:40] <anew> bekks lol i swear this didnt work the first 5 times i tried it... it's working now though thanks
[15:40] <anew> wow seamless mode is pretty badass
[15:40] <sevenhill> UserLinux, are you sure that you are not using keypad ? because mostly pc starts without numlock. So  maybe you are typing wrong
[15:41] <rita_> that is what i see by lsmod vor video videodev               86588  1 gspca_main
[15:41] <amgum> is there a way for me to change the color of my terminal when I ssh into another machine?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> mainerror__, I'm not talking about jockey , I',m just asking to open the run command and type in additional drivers , it should show an option to open
[15:41] <ThinkT510> rita_: pastebin lsmod output
[15:42] <UserLinux> bekks: can you give specific?
[15:42] <Araneidae> Does anyone know how to get a machine with Phoenix SecureCore Tiano BIOS to boot off a USB key?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> mainerror__, if you have a better method , then post it for rita_
[15:42] <bekks> UserLinux: You could boot a livecd and check you have sufficient disk space left.
[15:43] <UserLinux> maybe this error, after upgrade kernel to v3.7.5
[15:43] <rita_> BluesKaj, additional drivers don't work
[15:43] <Araneidae> Or a Live CD, for that matter.  How can I get my new laptop to boot off a CD?
[15:43] <bekks> UserLinux: Which Ubuntu do you have?
[15:43] <UserLinux> bekks: I sory I not using Live cd
[15:43] <UserLinux> 12.04
[15:43] <BluesKaj> they don't work or you can't find them rita_  ?
[15:43] <amgum> or is there a way to change the color of the terminal when I'm root?
[15:44] <Araneidae> I have the BIOS page open in front of me, but it won't let me change anything.
[15:44] <goodwin> bekks: i removed the file causing problem. then it works now.
[15:46] <goodwin> somehow the problem file is an HTML page-dont know why. now everything back to normal. the same system error also disappeared
[15:46] <rita_> BluesKaj, i do alt+f2 get newschreen where i type additonal drivers + enter notting happend
[15:46] <BluesKaj> new screen ?
[15:46] <UserLinux> bekks: how can fix this?
[15:47] <Malsasa> bekks: it is UserLinux error message: http://pastebin.com/gAV1qy14
[15:47] <UserLinux> Malsasa: hellp
[15:47] <rita_> BluesKaj, iot openen dash home
[15:47] <Araneidae> Does anybody know anything about working with UEFI?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> would some one pls direct rita_ to the additional drivers on gnome /unity ...I'm on kde and forgot where to look
[15:47] <Malsasa> UserLinux: ye, ye, I know. Be patient :)
[15:47] <bekks> UserLinux: Can you login to your computer somehow?
[15:48] <sirspazzolot> Araneidae: is your question about secureboot?
[15:48] <Araneidae> Afraid so :(
[15:48] <Araneidae> It won't let me boot anything, and I can't see any way to disable it
[15:48] <Araneidae> My bios is Phoenix SecureCore Tiano
[15:49] <rita_> how can i get the additional drivers in gnome unity
[15:49] <Araneidae> I've tried three boot sources: a Mint image created with Unetbootin, a Ubuntu 10.04 live CD, and a Mint image created with Mint's USB creator tool.
[15:50] <sirspazzolot> Araneidae: I haven't worked with itself myself but I see news about it from time to time. is this new to you? http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/linux-foundation-secure-boot-system-released/
[15:50] <BluesKaj> rita_, try alt+f2 , jockey
[15:50] <sirspazzolot> Araneidae: perviously there was also http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20303.html
[15:51] <Araneidae> Thank you for both of those
[15:51] <sirspazzolot> I think a 10.04 cd would be too old, and if I'm not mistaken mint doesn't have secureboot stuff in it. I think fedora 18 and new ubuntus might.
[15:51] <Araneidae> Is the problem so new that nothing's been integrated into existing installs?  Think we have a bit of a brick wall for people trying to install LInux on net hardware at the moment
[15:52] <Hatz> Wonderful. Rebooted with the nvidia drivers and now my desktop is gone. Just the steam shortcut. :I
[15:52] <Araneidae> Crap.  So what *can* I install?  Or do those links give me wrappers that will work around the problem?
[15:52] <Araneidae> And I thought we were being told, when this stuff was first mentioned a year ago, that we'd always have the option to turn it off
[15:53] <Araneidae> I see no such option
[15:53] <sirspazzolot> Araneidae: hah yeah, I hate the direction we're moving in with respect to actual freedom. I don't know how to repair existing installs, you may be able to boot a working livecd and chroot in and do some work like that
[15:54] <sirspazzolot> I don't know the technical details involved, though. :( I should really learn them, since my next computer will likely have this crap to deal with
[15:55] <Araneidae> sirspazzolot, I'm afraid don't understand the first link you gave me: what is a .efi file?
[15:55] <sahil> which is the best ati radeon driver for elementary luna (based on ubuntu precise)
[15:56] <ThinkT510> sahil: we don't support it
[15:56] <sahil> chipset is 785 (hd4200 perhaps)
[15:56] <bekks> sahil: We dont support anything else but Ubuntu in here. Ask your Elementary Luna support.
[15:57] <Araneidae> So is Linux effectively shut out of new Windows machines for the time being?
[15:57] <sirspazzolot> Araneidae: my current understanding is that they operate by magic and make your computer boot. there are probably tutorials or something online, I only had those two links bookmarked
[15:57] <margareta> How do I get the darn google icon out of my mail notifications?
[15:58] <margareta> I do not use google+ at all.
[15:58] <sahil> err okey whats the best driver for ubuntu precise,i am dual booting with luna
[15:58] <Araneidae> sirspazzolot, but somehow they need to be integrated into what is being booted ... and that bit is missing, exercise for the reader.
[15:58] <sahil> best ati radeon* driver
[15:58] <Araneidae> Why is this not a big deal at the moment
[15:58] <sirspazzolot> Araneidae: I don't know. it's strange how on certain fronts linux is gaining huge ground, what with steam and all, but on others it's becoming the 'super geek technical thing' again
[15:58] <bekks> !best | sahil
[16:00] <psusi> Araneidae, EFI is a smarter replacement for the BIOS... an .efi file is a file that the firmware can go read from the drive and execute to do things like boot the OS.. there's this secure boot crap now where the efi firmware verifies the digital signature on the boot loader image and won't load it if it isn't signed by the proper ( microsoft ) key
[16:00] <sirspazzolot> Araneidae: I'm afraid I can't help with the actual process. hopefully somebody else in this channel knows, or you might have to go to the forums with it
[16:00] <sirspazzolot> oh. right on cue. :)
[16:00] <Aaron_`> I am having trouble with iptables under ubuntu linux.  This is what I have, in this order, that is causing the issues. "-A FORWARD -s 192.168.182.0/24 -d 192.168.1.0/24 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT" "-A FORWARD -s 192.168.182.182/24 -d 192.168.182.0/24 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT" "-A FORWARD -s 192.168.182.0/24 -d 192.168.1.0/24 -j REJECT"  Whats wrong?
[16:00] <sahil> name a  "better" driver for ati radeon in which i can play some light games,and which doesnt makes the desktop a slow poke or breaks the system
[16:00] <Araneidae> sirspazzolot, it's pretty upsetting, actually.  My g/f is on at me about making her computer too complicated ... and now I find I can't even set up a new laptop.  Microsoft wins big.  I've had to pay for a Windows image I'm never going to use, and I'm probably going end up taking this f***ing machine back because of this sodding boot issue.
[16:00] <bekks> Aaron_`: Use a pastebin please, your last post is completely unreadable :)
[16:01] <psusi> Araneidae, the firmware should have an option to disable the secure boot
[16:01] <Aaron_`> bekks:  Aoligies..  One moment.
[16:01] <Araneidae> psusi, how do I proceed if I have a bootable USB key in one hand (I want to put Mint on the laptop) and this POS laptop in the other?
[16:01] <Araneidae> psusi, yes.
[16:01] <Araneidae> But it doesn't
[16:01] <Marg> Araneidae its always a joy to see somebody rage quite.
[16:01] <Araneidae> Good, eh?
[16:02] <slax0r> Hello, I have a NetGear WNA3100 USB wireless adapter and have installed the driver using ndiswrapper, and everything is working, until I try to connect to WPA protected wireless. In /var/log/syslog I came accross wpa_supplicant authentication timed out error and have searched google....alot...but cant find a solution, any help?
[16:02] <psusi> Araneidae, you looked through all of the screens?  it should have an option to turn it off entirely, or an option to add a new, non microsoft key
[16:02] <Araneidae> Marg, I think I'm working on it.  I've been putting off this laptop purchase for months now, and I see I'm deep in shit with no way forward apart from taking the laptop back
[16:03] <Araneidae> psusi, adding a new key?  Interesting... There aren't so many BIOS pages, hang on a moment
[16:03] <psusi> and Ubuntu now has a signed grub that should work if you install the proper key into the firmware... I'm not sure exactly how to go about that though
[16:03] <Araneidae> It has a "Security" page with "Secure Boot Configuration" at the bottom, and that has a line saying: "Secure Boot: Enable"
[16:04] <Aaron_`> Thats okay there was errors in it anyway.  Here is what I have in my iptables that isn't working.  Note that thee are other items there as well before these entries, but it was passing packets fine (I just want to restrict them to poty 5900) http://pastebin.com/YJwxDMTu
[16:04] <psusi> Araneidae, there you go.. make it disabled
[16:04] <Araneidae> Alas, unlike all the other pages in the BIOS, nothing is editable on this page
[16:04] <Araneidae> Nice one
[16:04] <Marg> I am a woman that just installed Ubuntu last night. Sure things look a little different on this Dell Inspiron.
[16:04] <Araneidae> I've somewhere seen a hint that the only way to disable this is through Windows. WTF?!
[16:05] <Araneidae> THis page says "Configures Secure Boot features", but nothing on this page is editable
[16:05] <MonkeyDust> Araneidae  http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Foundation-Releases-UEFI-Secure-Boot-System-328103.shtml
[16:05] <sirspazzolot> ahaha. yeah that rings a bell, something about if it's an oem install only ms and the oem have the ability to tweak certain things
[16:05] <nubcake> Hi, could anyone please help me getting that SDHC card mounted so i have write access too? I'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04LTS booting from that SDHC Card, but unetbootin won't copy the files onto it since it's mounted as ready only :(
[16:06] <psusi> call up the oem and demand they tell you how to disable it
[16:06] <psusi> or return it for a refund
[16:06] <Malsasa> Anyone can help?? :grin: http://pastebin.com/RwEXX9xy   <<--   binary shell script error
[16:06] <Araneidae> Oh FFS.  I can't buy a laptop *without* a fing OEM install.  psusi, that's exactly it.  I suppose I can try contacting Fujitsu
[16:06] <Araneidae> that'll be fun
[16:06] <sirspazzolot> okay guys so tasksel is refusing to work on this computer and instead of tracking down whatever bizarre behavior it's trying to do, does anybody have an alternate way to one-shot install a lamp server
[16:07] <MonkWitDaFunk> Uefi is replacing the bios
[16:07] <sirspazzolot> lamp stack, if that's the more appropriate term
[16:07] <Araneidae> At least the shop say I have 14 days to take it back for a full refund, but that just moves the problem on...
[16:07] <sirspazzolot> you could take it back and buy a computer with regular old bios
[16:08] <sirspazzolot> it can still come with win8 and be clean of the secureboot crap
[16:08] <Araneidae> sirspazzolot, best of luck finding one of those in the shop today
[16:08] <Araneidae> :(
[16:08] <sirspazzolot> oh they're all uefi? that's sad.
[16:08] <psusi> sirspazzolot, actually to get the "made for windows 8" sticker, it has to use uefi secure boot
[16:08] <sirspazzolot> oh. that's stupid.
[16:08] <Araneidae> Indeed so, only hobbyist motherboards are UEFI free now
[16:08] <Araneidae> and not for long, I'm guessing...
[16:09] <psusi> UEFI is fine and dandy, it's the secure boot crap that is the problem
[16:09] <sirspazzolot> so nobody has an alternate way to one-shot install a lamp stack?
[16:09] <Araneidae> LAMP = Linux Apache M? PHP (can't remember the M)
[16:09] <psusi> mysql
[16:10] <sirspazzolot> mysql
[16:10] <Araneidae> oh yeah.  Don't people use postgres instead these days?  (Not a db programmer)
[16:10] <Burritoh> but LAPP is a boring name
[16:10] <Burritoh> :P
[16:11] <rita_> how can i see what screendriver is installed in ubuntu 12.04
[16:11] <marjinal1st> hi, when i use special PPA's, it always makes *.save files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d . How can i prevent it?
[16:11] <ThinkT510> rita_: pastebin the output of lsmod
[16:11] <Burritoh> Araneidae: oh, looks like there is actually a "LAPP"
[16:11] <Burritoh> with Postgres
[16:12] <anew> so in my vh, the resolution of the desktop looks ok, but windows are enormous
[16:12] <anew> and text also ?
[16:12] <Malsasa> Anyone can help?? :grin: http://pastebin.com/RwEXX9xy <<-- binary shell script error
[16:12] <theadmin> rita_: lsmod | grep '^video ' | awk '{print $4;}'
[16:13] <BluesKaj> marjinal1st, that's where ppas are stored
[16:13] <sirspazzolot> oh! a different error! maybe this is working!
[16:13] <sirspazzolot> this computer likes to finish apt-related processes without unlocking the apt stuff
[16:14] <rita_> theadmin,  i915
[16:14] <marjinal1st> yep, i know. i just wanna prevent *.save files occur in that folder because when i use apt on terminal, it shows some warnings about *.save files.
[16:15] <Araneidae> Good grief, I found something: https://support.ts.fujitsu.com/WDB/FAQContentstart.asp?ID=233462327&Info=SA&Sprache=en&LNG=COM&Todo=FAQContact
[16:15] <Araneidae> "To change these settings it is necessary that a Supervisor Password is set."  Oh, FFS
[16:15]  * riderplus is back from the dead. Gone 1 hrs 31 min 50 secs
[16:16] <BluesKaj> !away | riderplus
[16:16] <Araneidae> Any idea what CSM means in the context of booting?
[16:16] <anew> anyone having issues with resolution?  i have my desktop res set, but it seems window resolution is enourmous
[16:17] <Esokrates> @rita lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[16:17] <rita_> how can i see what screen diver is installed
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Araneidae, that's CSM/Compiz starting up
[16:17] <marjinal1st> Araneidae, Compatibility Support Module
[16:17] <theadmin> rita_: That's the driver, i915.
[16:18] <theadmin> rita_: The opensource Intel video driver.
[16:18] <Araneidae> And *now* I can change the Secure Boot Option!
[16:18] <Esokrates> rita, you can find out more about i915 with modinfo i915
[16:18] <Araneidae> Compatibility Support Module?  Sounds promising ...
[16:18] <Araneidae> And with secure boot enabled I can enable CSM!
[16:19] <MK`> I am installing a fresh 12.04 and just partitioned an empty HD. When I clicked to install, it now says this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1664318/, but when I select either option it does nothing. What can I do?
[16:19] <Esokrates> rita, as i said  lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' will directly output the driver for example in my case nvidia (using proprietary driver)
[16:19] <Araneidae> Jesus ******* Christ.  This is so easy, anybody could do this without any blood pressure risk at all.
[16:19] <Araneidae> Except me.
[16:19] <Araneidae> Grrrrr
[16:19] <Araneidae> Now I have a stupid security password to forget :(
[16:20] <rita_> theadmin, why see untu 12.04 my philips 17" as a philips 15" and i had the same problem with the philips 19"  ubuntu say its a philips 18"
[16:20] <theadmin> rita_: It... really doesn't matter what it says long as the resolution is correct. Is it correct?
[16:20] <Araneidae> Damn.  Still getting boot failure
[16:21] <rita_> theadmin, how can i see of the resolution is correct
[16:21] <theadmin> rita_: Uh, you should be able to tell yourself.
[16:21] <Esokrates> rita, look at the screen
[16:21] <theadmin> rita_: I can't guess what the maximal resolution supported by your monitor is.
[16:22] <anew> my resolution for programs seems huge compared to the desktop ?
[16:22] <rita_> theadmin, i didn't now it
[16:22] <captine> am hoping System 76 start shipping to more countries soon.  need something that will just work...
[16:22] <Araneidae> Oh, good grief.  At long last ... it works.  ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[16:23] <SolarisBoy> rita_: sometimes its easier to look up the monitors (or laptop) documentation and check the supported resolutions/refresh rates etc.
[16:25] <qw> Good Evening People
[16:25] <qw> Please advise the program for the development of html pages
[16:25] <theadmin> qw: Emacs.
[16:25] <Araneidae> vim ;^)
[16:25] <theadmin> qw: Seriously, they all aren't great, they generate dirty code. Write it yourself.
[16:26] <qw> and where it is in Kubuntu
[16:26] <bekks> qw: Use the text editor of your choice.
[16:26] <Araneidae> qw, best bet is to google something like linux web authoring software if you don't want to write raw html
[16:26] <qw> text edit its not commfortable
[16:26] <OerHeks> !ide
[16:27] <Araneidae> html is a bit unsightly to edit
[16:27] <MonkeyDust> kompozer has been taken out of the repos
[16:27] <bekks> kompozer was outdated.
[16:27] <OerHeks> Open Office  :-)
[16:27] <Araneidae> those are all text based, I imagine, certainly the ones I recognise are, not what qw is after.
[16:28] <Malsasa> qw: comfortable: Kompozer
[16:28] <qw> thanks
[16:28] <Malsasa> MonkeyDust: ooooh... take Nvu.
[16:28] <MonkeyDust> Malsasa  isnt that the same with a different name?
[16:28] <Malsasa> qw: if you can, take the source code of Kompozer and you compile it.
[16:29] <Malsasa> qw: I agree with you about comfortable :)
[16:29] <Malsasa> MonkeyDust: oh, they are same? I don't know.
[16:30] <qw> were i see proposition list program from my OS (kubuntu)
[16:30] <rita_> how can i switch to my destop screen with out minimize the programs
[16:31] <apb1963> Anyone using dovecot? Do you know if there's a package I can use to install with apt-get?
[16:31] <MK`> is it better to put swap at the start of a drive than in the middle?
[16:32] <TakeItEZ> !info dovecot | apb1963
[16:32] <Araneidae> If it really mattered, which it doesn't, middle is marginally faster
[16:32] <MK`> ok
[16:32] <apb1963> quantal?  I don't know what that is
[16:32] <bekks> MK`: It doesnt matter, since it will be 1000x times slower than your RAM.
[16:33] <Araneidae> But you won't be able to measure it
[16:33] <MK`> I am aware, just curious :P
[16:33] <TakeItEZ> !info dovecot-imapd  | apb1963
[16:33] <apb1963> ah
[16:33] <apb1963> why colon?
[16:33] <TakeItEZ> apb1963: sudo apt-get install dovecot-pop3d dovecot-imapd     whatever you want
[16:35] <qw> help me please install KompoZer
[16:35] <MK`> how large should I make my /tmp partition?
[16:36] <w431> hellOw Everyone
[16:36] <bekks> MK`: Put /tmp into RAM.
[16:36] <apb1963> seems to be working... thank you
[16:36] <Araneidae> qw, http://www.kompozer.net/download.php seems a good place to start
[16:37] <qw> from konsole
[16:39] <MK`> does ubuntu use /opt?
[16:39] <bekks> MK`: No, but 3rd party software does.
[16:39] <MK`> ok, thanks
[16:40] <Naphatul> when i click log in on steam it just closes, any ideas why?
[16:41] <Naphatul> when the box where i  need to put in the code pops up just a flash of it appears on the left side then steam closes
[16:42] <kostkon> Naphatul, running it in the terminal
[16:42] <Naphatul> segmentation fault
[16:43] <kostkon> Naphatul, any messages before that?
[16:43] <Naphatul> yeah a bunch when i'm typing my password
[16:43] <Naphatul> Generating new string page texture 22: 384x256, total string texture memory is 974.85 KB
[16:44] <Naphatul> last one before segfault
[16:45] <kostkon> Naphatul, try reinstalling it. you could also try downloading it from the steam site instead of the usc
[16:45] <Naphatul> i did install it from the steam site
[16:46] <kostkon> Naphatul, remove it, then try the usc version
[16:47] <Naphatul> kostkon, i don't have the software center actually
[16:47] <kostkon> Naphatul, oh ok
[16:51] <neo84> Hi All, I need help: When I am connecting my USB modem(ZTE AC2787) to connect to MTS, sometimes it works and sometime it not. Is there a way to make sure that it always gets connected ?
[16:52] <neo84> I am on Ubuntu 11.10
[16:52] <jDes> Hey can someone help me with installing wifi on ubuntu 12.0.4
[16:52] <ThinkT510> neo84: just so you know 11.10 support ends in april
[16:52] <Naphatul> i just did aptitude remove steam and it removed a whole bunch of other stuff, was it just removing not needed packages or what?
[16:52] <neo84> ohh ok
[16:53] <ThinkT510> jDes: lspci
[16:53] <neo84> BUt i don't have good network to upgread to 12
[16:53] <jDes> What's that?
[16:53] <ThinkT510> jDes: a command you put in the terminal
[16:53] <jDes> I don't know it. Can u please help I'm really new
[16:55] <rushboy> Hello :-)
[16:55] <neo84> ThinkT510 do you know how to fix issue
[16:55] <ThinkT510> neo84: i don't use a dailup modem sorry
[16:55] <neo84> ok
[16:55] <rushboy> Can anyone please guide me on how to install jrosetta-engine in ubuntu ? Any sort of help is appreciated .
[16:55] <neo84> ok
[16:57] <kicklighter> what is the jrosetta-engine....is is something useful for me????
[16:59] <Morgan> ciao a tutti
[16:59] <Morgan> !list
[17:00] <kicklighter> jrosetta-engine where can i download it people???\
[17:01] <DJones> kicklighter: The only jrosetta-* I can see in the repo's is this http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libjrosetta-java
[17:01] <Gibby> I am having an issue with my mediakeys, they are working but I can not seem to find out where to enable the repeat function... I would like volume down and volume up to repeat instead of having to keep pressing the key. I have tried using xev to set keycode 114 and 115 to repeat but no luck
[17:02] <TomSlominski> Hi. I'm playing Aisleriot and Klondike doesn't seem to be on the list.
[17:02] <TomSlominski> Even though there is a file for it in /usr/share
[17:02] <kicklighter> i'm not in for java....maybe someother time....
[17:03] <marcin25> #polish.com
[17:03] <leopard_> 怎样安装  svn
[17:04] <tongcx> hi, is very off-topic question okay here?
[17:04] <DJones> !ot | tongcx
[17:04] <ThinkT510> tongcx: no
[17:04] <tongcx> thanks, is there any channel just for chatting on random question
[17:04] <tongcx> non-technical realted ones
[17:05] <marcin25> como entro en el canal polaco
[17:05] <tongcx> like english language problem
[17:05] <marcin25> o español
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> !es
[17:05] <DJones> !alis | tongcx You might find a channel listed using the bot,
[17:05] <kicklighter> tongcx par le vou france????
[17:05] <Joel__> "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!" grrr
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> tongcx  try #defocus
[17:05] <Malsasa> Anyone can help?? :grin: http://pastebin.com/RwEXX9xy   <<--   binary shell script error
[17:06] <tongcx> no, i'm chinese
[17:06] <bekks> !fr | kicklighter
[17:06] <Gibby> showkey and xmodmap are showing different keybodes for the same mediakey.... any ideas?
[17:06] <dryhay> hi. IBus is not working on my computer. How to check what is the reason? [Ubuntu 11.10 / 64bit[
[17:06] <MonkeyDust> !cn
[17:06] <kicklighter> je ze vie du arobr no trou france .... merci par vou english!
[17:06] <Joel__> Anyone ever had the problem "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!" when trying to install from USB?
[17:06] <Malsasa> all: thanks, solved at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3099092/why-cant-i-use-unix-nohup-with-bash-for-loop
[17:07] <Bama2054> Hello, I'm trying to play TF2 but I need to install mesa 9. Can someone give me the noob friendly instructions?
[17:08] <samsam> i need to write "sudo modprobe wl" everytime i start ubuntu to access internet...How do i automate it?
[17:08] <rjx1> Hello friend's
[17:08] <Naphatul> well i tried reinstalling steam and it didn't help
[17:08] <ioria> /etc/module
[17:08] <ioria> samsam: /etc/module
[17:08] <Gibby> samsam, you can add it to /etc/module or put it in initramfs
[17:09] <Joel__> No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found! - When boot from USB, anyone with this problem?
[17:09] <ioria> samsam: sorry.... /etc/modules
[17:09] <cojack> I have a big awesome requests to the package makers
[17:09] <darkray> need help in configuring dhcp server. could anyone do it ?
[17:10] <bekks> darkray: Not without knowing the exact problem you are having. :)
[17:10] <samsam> so do i add that command to the modules file?
[17:10] <cojack> can you link x.cmake modules into cmake modules location?
[17:10] <ioria> samsam: no, just wl
[17:10] <samsam> ioria
[17:11] <samsam> i cant save it ... permissions issue i guess
[17:11] <ioria> samsam: sudo nano /etc/modules
[17:11] <Ademan> is there a music player in 12.04 that can rip CDs with working MusicBrainz integration?
[17:12] <x35_> I installed steam on my 12.04 box and now it gnome doesn't start on boot.. Like it will just hang.  I can change terminals though.  Anyone know how I can fix this??
[17:12] <darkray> @bekks i have configured a dhcp server with ip address 141.2.10.127 and i want to give ip address to clients in the range 10.2.10.0-10.2.10.100. could you help me ?
[17:12] <samsam> thanks
[17:12] <samsam> ioria
[17:13] <bekks> darkray: So what have you done until now to do so?
[17:13] <darkray> @bekks: i've tried making changes in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf file
[17:13] <bekks> darkray: Which changes...?
[17:14] <darkray> subnet 10.2.10. netmask 255.255.255.0
[17:14] <darkray> range 10.2.10.0 10.2.10.100
[17:14] <darkray> and then i restarted dhcp server, but it failed
[17:15] <bekks> darkray: And what was that line before...?
[17:16] <darkray> dhcp server failed to restart
[17:16] <darkray> @bekks: what now ?
[17:16] <bekks> darkray: And what was that line before...?
[17:17] <x35_> I installed steam on my 12.04 box and now it gnome doesn't start on boot.. Like it will just hang.  I can change terminals though.  Anyone know how I can fix this??
[17:17] <bekks> darkray: And did you take a look at the dhcpd logs yet?
[17:17] <darkray> @bekks: i'm sorry but i didnt get you
[17:17] <darkray> @bekks: no i didnt
[17:17] <bekks> darkray: Then do it. And before chaning the line, what did it look like?
[17:18] <darkray> @bekks: earlier i configured dhcp server which ran succesfully:
[17:18] <darkray> subnet 141.2.10.127 netmask 255.255.255.0
[17:18] <darkray> raqnge 141.2.10.100 141.2.10.150
[17:18] <bekks> darkray: And please omit the "@". This is neither quakenet nor twitter.
[17:19] <darkray> okay
[17:19] <bekks> darkray: Well, then the DHCP range has to be in the same subnet as the DHCP server.
[17:19] <darkray> but if i try to give lease to the clients outside 141. network dhcp server failed to start
[17:20] <bekks> darkray: Well, then the DHCP range has to be in the same subnet as the DHCP server.
[17:20] <darkray> bekks: it's not necessary. it's just that i couldn't able to configure it
[17:20] <darkray> and pls tell me that where i can look for dhcp logs
[17:21] <rjx2> i am new to ubuntu and intrested to use it but my laptop is overheat
[17:21] <bekks> darkray: The log location should be mentioned in the config file.
[17:22] <SonikkuAmerica> rjx2: Overheating? Check your System Monitor.
[17:22] <among> Hello. I've got the feeling that music sounds better on my windows and on phone than on ubuntu. How can I fix that? Shall I download new drivers?
[17:22] <MK`> how long does a 12.04 install usually take? I can't tell if mine is busy or has hung. It's on the "where are you?" screen, I've already hit continue.
[17:23] <bekks> MK`: Half an hour?
[17:23] <MK`> alright, I was hoping it'd be more verbose :P
[17:23] <SonikkuAmerica> MK`: Toward the bottom of the window, there should be an arrow...
[17:23] <MK`> It just has the spinning wheel icon, not saying anything on the bottom.
[17:23] <SonikkuAmerica> MK`: ...next to what it says it's doing.
[17:24] <MK`> Doesn't say, the black bar on the bottom is blank.
[17:24] <Akshayr> hw can i change my nickname in xchat???
[17:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Akshayr: use the /nick command
[17:24] <bekks> Akshayr: "/nick mynewnick"
[17:24] <nydel> type /nick newname
[17:24] <SonikkuAmerica> MK`: Sounds like it froze.
[17:24] <Akshayr> nick AkshayKochi
[17:24] <MK`> :(
[17:25] <nydel> i'm having serious problems with ubuntu, i guess an upgrade got interrupted around kernel 3.5.0-20 and now everything is stuck
[17:25] <bekks> Akshayr: Dont forget the / in front.
[17:25] <Akshayr> bekks : Wat did u mean?
[17:25] <nydel> if there's someone here who can help me please do
[17:25] <AkshayRKochi> thanks bekks
[17:25] <AkshayRKochi> hi bekks
[17:26] <AkshayRKochi> I just installed Ubuntu Studio
[17:26] <AkshayRKochi> and i would like to start from the scratch
[17:26] <bekks> AkshayRKochi: So where's the problem? :)
[17:27] <AkshayRKochi> bekks : no probs
[17:28] <AkshayRKochi> i just wanna learn linux commands and start creating shell scripts
[17:29] <coll> ?/who #nama channel?
[17:30] <AkshayRKochi> join #balasankarc
[17:31] <lehzeni> AkshayRKochi, you need to put a "/" before the join command, like "/join"
[17:35] <chrisbuchholz> So i am creating this program which need to be able to securely store a password and retrieve it when needed, but im in doubt as to how to do this in a way that dont need specific implementation for gnome, kde, and what about those not using a DE? Is there api i can use that works across all this? Perhabs across most of linux distros?
[17:36] <bekks> chrisbuchholz: I dont think there's an API like that.
[17:36] <SonikkuAmerica> bekks/chrisbuchholz: Create a ghost user maybe?
[17:36] <chrisbuchholz> bekks: do you know what the trend is then?
[17:36] <lehzeni> password for what? the program itself?
[17:36] <bekks> SonikkuAmerica: Which will not help in solvin the problem at all.
[17:37] <bekks> chrisbuchholz: I am not that deep into programming, sorry. I'd just use something like the gnome keyring, or the kdewallet.
[17:37] <ioria> SonikkuAmerica: what is a 'ghost user' ?
[17:37] <chrisbuchholz> lehzeni: the program i have created manages encrypted encfs folders. On Mac OS X i use the built in Keychain framework to securely store the password so my program personally dont have to handle that.
[17:37] <chrisbuchholz> bekks: yeah, but that is too installation specific :/
[17:38] <brightspark> chrisbuchholz: try the secret service dbus api
[17:38] <chrisbuchholz> brightspark: thanks, ill take a look
[17:38] <dONALD> Hi people!
[17:39] <dONALD> I have a serious problem with keyboard shortcuts, can anyone help me?
[17:39] <brightspark> chrisbuchholz: you're welcome
[17:39] <MK`> Hm I went to install again. It was doing "copying files" and that completed, so then I selected my location, but now it seems to have frozen again. I think it is related to that part, can anyone help me?
[17:39] <akshayr> dONALD : wats the prob
[17:39] <dONALD> I pressed ctrl+alt+f3 in a game, and everything disappeared, I had to reset my PC
[17:39] <SonikkuAmerica> ioria: Just a user that sits there and takes up space
[17:39] <autobus> hi people
[17:40] <MK`> dONALD: you accidentally switched to another terminal. To switch back, press ctrl-alt-f7
[17:40] <SonikkuAmerica> ioria: without actually being able to log in
[17:40] <dONALD> so is there a way to return to the desktop in such a case, or disable it?
[17:40] <dONALD> wait, let me try
[17:40] <ioria> SonikkuAmerica: thanx  '_'
[17:40] <dONALD> LOL awesome
[17:40] <dONALD> anyway
[17:41] <MK`> :P
[17:41] <dONALD> is there a way to disable it? I need this keyboard shortcut
[17:41] <dONALD> it's the shortcut of the console in Alpha Prime
[17:41] <dONALD> :D
[17:42] <dONALD> the game runs like it was MADE for linux, looks awesome
[17:42] <dONALD> than wham, this happens
[17:42] <lehzeni> I suppose you could run the password through ssl, that has an api, and the end result will be that it becomes encrypted
[17:42] <MK`> should be an option in the keyboard settings somewhere
[17:42] <dONALD> I googled it of course,
[17:42] <dONALD> and my b*tch said
[17:43] <dONALD> (google)
[17:43] <Ronalds_M> how to get one workspace in ubuntu
[17:43] <Ronalds_M> using precise
[17:43] <dONALD> that it's some low level shortcut, outside of X
[17:43] <lehzeni> chrisbuchholz, I suppose you could run the password through ssl, that has an api, and the end result will be that it becomes encrypted
[17:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Ronalds_M: Unity I assume?
[17:44] <Ronalds_M> dONALD, you are inappropriate anyway
[17:44] <dONALD> Ronalds_M: do you have the system tray enabled?
[17:44] <Ronalds_M> Unity assume right
[17:44] <Ronalds_M> using it with combination of kde apps
[17:44] <Ronalds_M> instead of gtk
[17:44] <Ronalds_M> system tray?
[17:44] <dONALD> Ronalds_M: try to search for workspace
[17:44] <Ronalds_M> why wouldn't it
[17:44] <dONALD> LOL never mind
[17:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Ronalds_M: Do you have CompizConfig installed?
[17:45] <Ronalds_M> can I do it without that tool
[17:45] <CaReS> hello friends
[17:45] <Ronalds_M> ccsm is unstable
[17:45] <Ronalds_M> for me
[17:46] <chrisbuchholz> lehzeni: well, i still would have to store it myself right? Dont wanna do that
[17:46] <CaReS> please i have a router tp-link 340g , on ubuntu how can i add a password to dont let anyone works on my wifi?
[17:46] <yeats> CaReS: consult your router's documentation
[17:46] <Ronalds_M> ccsm is the only way?
[17:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Ronalds_M: Typically you can go into CCSM and change your workspaces in the Workspace Switcher plugin.
[17:47] <Ronalds_M> so
[17:47] <Ronalds_M> can I get rid of the icon?
[17:47] <lehzeni> chrisbuchholz, safe it in the encrypted folder itself
[17:47] <CaReS> yeats i try 192.168.1.1 and cannot show me the admin login
[17:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Ronalds_M: Not in Precise or Quantal. Raring will have that option.
[17:48] <Ronalds_M> really
[17:48] <kicklighter> CaRes are you from around????
[17:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Ronalds_M: (I know this because I tested Raring in alpha)
[17:48] <yeats> CaReS: yeah - that's not an ubuntu issue - you'll need to check the documentation for your router
[17:48] <Ronalds_M> ok, so is raring enough stable
[17:48] <Ronalds_M> repo anywhere?
[17:48] <brightspark> CaReS: the exact web address varies- on mine it is 192.168.0.1
[17:48] <Ronalds_M> :D
[17:48] <x35_> I installed steam on my 12.04 box and now it gnome doesn't start on boot.. Like it will just hang.  I can change terminals though.  Anyone know how I can fix this??
[17:49] <CaReS> kicklighter how freind plz i am newbie?
[17:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Ronalds_M: Head for #ubuntu+1 and they'll tell you all about it.
[17:49] <kicklighter> what is the prob CaRes par le vouse france jeze vien allmagne possible???
[17:50] <CaReS> brightspark i am living in venezuela
[17:50] <kicklighter> moderator can i speak other verb then english.....i you allow it
[17:50] <CaReS> kicklighter venezuela
[17:50] <akshayr> hw to change the passwrd of my xchat account?
[17:50] <kicklighter> espanol....ter le vous problem ... go ahead
[17:50] <lehzeni> such hostility here
[17:51] <ioria> Cares: type 192.168.1.1 in your browser
[17:51] <CaReS> ioria no its not working
[17:52] <kicklighter> CaRes can you arange private chat i'm not common with this anybody can join but i think first everybody must $$!***&
[17:52] <ioria> Cares: your router should have a cd
[17:52] <CaReS> ioria thats right but i cant found it
[17:52] <ioria> Cares: download from the site
[17:53] <Naphatul> so could anyone help me with steam segfaulting?
[17:53] <CaReS> ioria the router is working fine but just i want to put a password to just like to be private for me
[17:53] <kicklighter> what's in friendname about
[17:53] <ioria> Cares: sure, i see. go to the tp-link website and look for your model
[17:54] <kicklighter> what has a router to do with ubuntu.,..only ubuntu speak alike
[17:55] <bazhang> CaReS, your router has nothing to do with Ubuntu support. try ##networking
[17:55] <kicklighter> hey maybe we could program brand desktop for ubuntu based on amiga os 3.9 who wanna join...if ubuntu doesn't mind???
[17:55] <bazhang> kicklighter, chit chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:56] <ioria> Cares: but i think you can do editing /etc/networking/interfaces
[17:57] <tao> router?
[17:58] <tao> try networking setting-->net...
[17:58] <CaReS> ioria but i want to know the gateway, i am not sure :(
[17:58] <ioria> Cares: right.... try some combo 192.168.1.0 , 192.168.0.0 ...
[17:58] <bazhang> CaReS, stop asking for router support here
[17:59] <ioria> bazhang: sorry :-/
[17:59] <bazhang> ioria, feel free to support CaReS in ##networking
[17:59] <x35_> I am having trouble with gnome crashing / not working on boot.  Would it be advised that I just reinstalled gnome desktop?
[17:59] <tao> 192.168.1.1
[17:59] <Naphatul> huh oh wow that was weird after trying the exact same thing a couple of times i got a different result, anyway steam now goes up to connecting then crashes
[18:00] <Naphatul> here's the log from running it from the console: http://pastebin.com/DnhYGecU
[18:00] <genii-around> Naphatul: Have you tried the support channel for steam? eg: #ubuntu-steam
[18:01] <Naphatul> well no i didn't know it existed
[18:03] <MonkeyDust> Naphatul  some 100 people are there
[18:04] <gmg85> hi
[18:07] <Malsasa> gmg85: hi too... :)
[18:08] <sifu_> hello guys i am trying to configure the post fix for a Ubu install in a vagrant box...so a bit confused on the options i am supposed to select.
[18:08] <tao> Did you call me?
[18:08] <tao> Malsasa
[18:08] <bekks> sifu_: So whats the actual problem we can help you with?
[18:08] <x35_> Can anyone tell me the service name for the gnome desktop?
[18:09] <OerHeks> x35_, lightdm
[18:09] <tao> x35,  :   /etc/init.d/lightdm
[18:09] <BluesKaj> service lightdm
[18:10] <x35_> DerHeks, gnome is crashing on boot and I can't stop it from a terminal using service.
[18:10] <tao> ctrl+alt+f1
[18:11] <x35_> tao, i can get to a terminal but service isn't stopping it, it says it's stopped/waiting
[18:11] <sifu_> bekks, hmm okey thats a hard one...if i choose the internet site...what are the requirements
[18:11] <SonikkuAmerica> x35_: Do you use lightdm or gdm?
[18:11] <tao> x35, it is OK
[18:11] <x35_> lightdm
[18:11] <SonikkuAmerica> x35_: You can't use [ sudo stop lightdm ]?
[18:11] <BluesKaj> sudo service lightdm stop , x35_ then try startx
[18:11] <Ankhwatcher> Hey there! I'm having a bit of trouble with my wifi, how can I reset my broadcom driver settings back to standard?
[18:12] <bekks> sifu_: You have to have a server sending emails to, you have to have a static IP, you have to secure your server, you have to setup a MX domain record, etc.
[18:12] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: I wasn't aware that command still worked.
[18:12] <tao> x35, sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm stop
[18:12] <BluesKaj> SonikkuAmerica, why not ?
[18:12] <PhatTony> bekks,  Yes. goto mxtools.com
[18:12] <bekks> PhatTony: What should I do there?
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> I thought it had changed to just [ start ] and [ stop ]
[18:13] <BluesKaj> it worked here the last time I needed it , SonikkuAmerica
[18:13] <x35_> BluesKaj, I get error: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc: 3: exec: /usr/bin/X: not found, then some more errors
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: OK...
[18:13] <lundy> omg flash player keeps crashing on me :'( in firefox
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> lundy: Did you reinstall the Flash plugin?
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> lundy: (yet that is)
[18:14] <x35_> BluesKaj, xinit: giving up xinit: unable to connecto to X server: No such file or directory xinit: server error
[18:14] <sifu_> bekks, hmm okey sounds a bit too much for the time i have...maybe some another time...thanks for the help
[18:14] <fedor> is there a bit-torrent client where i can play videofiles while downing them?
[18:14] <lundy> nope, it shouldnt be that ... this is a fresh install
[18:14] <fedor> there are some in windows
[18:14] <BluesKaj> x35 did you try sudo service lightdm stop
[18:14] <fedor> here i use transmission
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> lundy: Give it a shot anyway: [ sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer ]
[18:15] <x35_> BluesKaj,
[18:15] <x35_> oops
[18:16] <x35_> BluesKaj, well that was lame.. I just had to reinstall xserver but i don't know why it was uninstalled..
[18:16] <BluesKaj> x35_, pok ..weird
[18:16] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:19] <tao> x35,if you want to uninstall xserver. you should uninstall xserver-xorg
[18:19] <Industrial> I have nvidia-current installed but GL apps can't run. e.g. steam says the GLX extension is missing. I don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf. How do I make sure nvidia is used (OUTSIDE of Unity. I am in i3wm.) ?
[18:20] <rita__> how to play live stream
[18:23] <akash268> hi all
[18:28] <autobus> hi people
[18:28] <autobus> I need to install working nvidia drivers
[18:28] <autobus> for steam and minecraft
[18:28] <autobus> can someone help?
[18:29] <daleharvey> hey, the links for the image for installng ubunto on the macbook air are broken @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2
[18:29] <daleharvey> *ubuntu
[18:29] <daleharvey> anyone know where to find it?
[18:31] <rita__> hi
[18:31] <Industrial> I have nvidia-current installed but GL apps can't run. e.g. steam says the GLX extension is missing. I don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf. How do I make sure nvidia is used (OUTSIDE of Unity. I am in i3wm.) ?
[18:32] <MO_Handes> does ubuntu has touch version or touch support for use with a touch notebook like Asus Vivobook?
[18:32] <Roubles> So am I correct in understanding that ubuntu 12.10 has no non-pae install available?
[18:32] <bekks> Roubles: Yes.
[18:34] <john_rambo>  When I click on alink firefox opens. I want Chromium to open the links. What to do ?
[18:34] <Gerowen> john_rambo: Are you using Ubuntu 12.10?
[18:34] <john_rambo> Gerowen, No. 12.04
[18:35] <Gerowen> john_rambo: Go to "System Settings", you can find it quickly by typing "Settings" into the search bar in the Unity menu, then once you have "System Settings" open, click "Details", in Details there should be an option on the left that says "Default Applications", in there you can change your default web browser.
[18:35] <john_rambo> Okay
[18:36] <Guest11778> `hey
[18:36] <Gerowen> Guest11778: Hey, :-)
[18:36] <Guest11778> i changed networking settings because wired networking wasnt working on ubuuntu but now i cant boot up, login screen just goes to a black screen
[18:37] <anew> question - if i set up a shared folder with virtualbox and automount it, doesnt that automount it on the guest os ? why do i have to run mount -t everytime?
[18:37] <Guest11778> Gerowen: hey
[18:38] <eoss> where does sshd keep logs?   i have no auth log or syslog in var/log
[18:38] <Roubles> If I install an older version of ubuntu from a non-pae image, will this become a problem for me when I need to make updates in the future?
[18:38] <rita__> how to listen to online radio that use windows mediaplayer
[18:38] <autobus> Hi people
[18:38] <ielo>                         
[18:38] <ielo>   
[18:38] <ielo>  
[18:39] <autobus> I am on installing nvidia drivers from its own website
[18:39] <FloodBot1> ielo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:39] <autobus> What should I do after using the .run ?
[18:40] <Gerowen> ielo: Sorry for not responding I was reading something else online.  I'm not familiar with that particular issue.  If you could provide some more info like what version of Ubunt you're running, and what other changes were made right around the time the problem started, somebody else in here may be able to help you, :-)
[18:40] <rita__> ho to listen to internet radio in ubuntu
[18:41] <rita__> ho to play internet radio on ubuntu that used windows media player
[18:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Roubles: Does your computer support PAE? (Physical Address Extension)
[18:42] <Roubles> It's an old computer, centrino processor I think or pentium m
[18:43] <Roubles> I get an error message each time i try to install, "this kernel requires the following features not present on the cpu: pae" so I am assuming the answer is no.
[18:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Roubles: Guess not. Try getting a non-PAE kernel.
[18:43] <eoss> ls
[18:43] <Roubles> Yep.
[18:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Roubles: Check this: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/how-to-install-ubuntu-1204-on-non-pae.html
[18:44] <Roubles> SonikkuAmerica: Will it cause a problem for me when I update though?
[18:44] <eoss> where does sshd keep logs?   i have no auth log or syslog in var/logs
[18:44] <koffel> hey all i have 10.04 lts with ssd should i have swap?
[18:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Roubles: Currently or after you install the ISO mentioned on the page?
[18:44] <Roubles> After.
[18:45] <Roubles> I mean, there will be kernel updates right?
[18:45] <rita__> ho can i listen to internet radio
[18:45] <Roubles> (I am trying to decide whether it's better just to walk away from ubuntu).
[18:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Roubles: No, you shouldn't. The Mini ISO is designed universally. You probably tried to install with an ISO that had a dependency on PAE.
[18:45] <mdobrinin> hello all, I have a quick question. I am running win7 right now. Is it possible to install Ubuntu on a separate drive with its own boot-loader such that I choose which OS to boot by using the motherboard's boot devices priority?
[18:46] <compdoc> mdobrinin, sure
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> mdobrinin: If you install it on another device (such as another HDD), yes.
[18:46] <bilel> is it possible to change a symlink target without having to delete it? The "-f" option odesn't do the trick
[18:46] <mdobrinin> and I don't need to mess with my current hd's bootloader?
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> mdobrinin: Although I'm not sure why you would want to do that...
[18:47] <SonikkuAmerica> mdobrinin: Nope.
[18:47] <koffel> i am thinking i doing this wrong this my specs 8 gigs ram 256 sdd running 32 bit
[18:47] <mdobrinin> SonikkuAmerica: I had an issue in the past where grub messed everything up and I had to reformat everything, so I'm trying to keep the OSes as separate as possible :)
[18:47] <DeadWeasel> I figured out my wifi issue.  got a new wifi card.
[18:48] <SonikkuAmerica> mdobrinin: The Windows bootloader won't find Ubuntu, but Ubuntu *might* find Windows, no matter what priority setting you select in your BIOS.
[18:48] <SonikkuAmerica> mdobrinin: Or at least GRUB2
[18:49] <theadmin> bilel: I don't think so, at least the ln manpage doesn't show an option for that
[18:49] <theadmin> bilel: Why do you need to?
[18:49] <mdobrinin> Does the current Windows Installer replace the windows bootloader with GRUB?
[18:49] <theadmin> mdobrinin: Err... no, it does the other way around :P
[18:50] <theadmin> mdobrinin: Oh, you mean WUBI?
[18:50] <mdobrinin> theamin, yes I mean if I install Unbuntu with WUBI or whatever its called
[18:50] <mdobrinin> basically, I want to dual-boot Ubuntu, but minimize the risk of something going wrong :)
[18:50] <theadmin> mdobrinin: It doesn't replace the Windows bootloader with GRUB, it makes the Windows bootloader chainload grub
[18:50] <bilel> theadmin: it's for a deploy script, I'm not sure wether having this small latency time when the symlink doesn't exist is a good idea
[18:51] <bilel> basically it's for symlinking the current production code to the new release
[18:51] <Camel`> Hi
[18:51] <fwilson> Camel`: Welcome to #ubuntu.
[18:53] <bilel> I've made a test script in order to understand the behavior but it looks strange to me : http://pastebin.com/bd61u8Qv
[18:53] <theadmin> bilel: "mkdir a && mkdir b"... Really? "mkdir a b"
[18:53] <theadmin> bilel: Geez
[18:55] <bilel> theadmin: sorry I'm a beginner, hope it didn't burn your eyes too much...
[18:55] <theadmin> bilel: Meh, that's okay, just trying to help learn :D
[18:56] <thufir_> help.  my xfce looks like this:  http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-02162013-105008am.php and I cannot move or resize windows, and clicking on windows doesn't always bring them to the foreground.  The windows have "x _ []" to close, min or max the window.  it's very odd.
[18:57] <bilel> theadmin: np ;) but do you understand the output, apparently it should work but it' not the case, see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1727280/is-there-a-way-to-edit-a-symlink-without-deleting-it-first for example
[18:57] <rita__> why can't i directy listen to the live stream of q-music.be but well when i copy the link in rhytmbox
[18:57] <thufir_> pardon, the windows do *not* have close, max or min buttons.  theirs a whole part of how windows tile, lay on top of each other, resize etc which is just suddenly broken.
[18:58] <theadmin> bilel: Well, as you see, it should work with "ln -sf"
[19:00] <rita__> where did thunderbird store the mail files
[19:02] <rita__> where store thunderbird the mail files
[19:03] <bilel> theadmin: that's what I did, a comment below says it only works for files not folders, anyway I'll go for "rm mirror && ln ..." in that case
[19:03] <bilel> thx
[19:04] <TheSwede> Hey guys can you help me out with my ubunutu problem?
[19:04] <DJones> TheSwede: Only if you explain what the problem is :)
[19:05] <Naphatul> ok so here's the 'new' error that i've been getting: http://pastebin.com/Lc7TLCMj
[19:05] <rita__> TheSwede, what is the problem
[19:05] <Naphatul> could anyone take a look? it's frustrating not getting clear error messages
[19:05] <Naphatul> wrong channel sorry
[19:05] <theadmin> bilel: You can't "rm" a symlink like that, use "unlink"
[19:06] <go8765_P> rapoo h3050 + ubuntu  реально?
[19:06] <TheSwede> Okay so here it is. I am trying to install the windows installer and dual boot it. I installed it to my seperate hard drive that does not have windows installed on it and it seemed to go okay. Then when I rebooted and chose ubuntu it asked me to put in the windows recovery CD and then directed me back to choose a boot option.
[19:06] <bazhang> TheSwede, wubi?
[19:07] <TheSwede> yep
[19:07] <go8765_P> *sorry. rapoo h3050 + ubuntu  is real to use?
[19:07] <bazhang> !ru | go8765_P
[19:08] <TheSwede> i only had 10Gb free on my C: drive so i installed to to my D: drive instead to let me allocate more space to ubuntu
[19:10] <TheSwede> anything?
[19:11] <ThinkT510> TheSwede: i can recommend not using wubi
[19:11] <wad> Anyone else messing with the new Ubuntu steam?
[19:11] <bazhang> wad, #ubuntu-steam
[19:11] <wad> Ah, thanks!
[19:12] <TheSwede> okay, so if i was to install the 12.04 desktop version would it delete everything from the partition that it would be instlled to?
[19:12] <ThinkT510> TheSwede: only if you specify it to
[19:12] <TheSwede> how would i do that?
[19:13] <fwilson> I believe there's an option in the installer -- something along the lines of "Use whole disk"
[19:13] <ThinkT510> TheSwede: naturally you'd need a separate partition for ubuntu
[19:13] <fwilson> wait nvm that's the disk not the partition
[19:14] <ThinkT510> !partitioning | TheSwede
[19:16] <TheSwede> the thing is that I already have a partition on the drive. So i cant create a new one
[19:17] <Ice_Strike> I am considering moving to Ubunto from Windows 8 but how can I use Photoshop on Linux?
[19:17] <Ice_Strike> and also Skype (with webcam support?)
[19:17] <bekks> TheSwede: Then how do you want to install Ubuntu without having space for it?
[19:17] <theadmin> Ice_Strike: Only via Wine. Skype is available natively.
[19:17] <DJones> Ice_Strike: Try using Gimp for photo editing
[19:17] <Ice_Strike> I knew someone will say  Gimp
[19:17] <Ice_Strike> Yuck
[19:18] <theadmin> Ice_Strike: You can run PS in Wine, it works fine most of the time iirc
[19:18] <bazhang> Ice_Strike, check the appdb
[19:18] <TheSwede> i have 200Gb free im just wondering if i can install it to that partition and not delete my files that are on the same partition
[19:18] <Ice_Strike> theadmin I was thinking running virtual PC on Linux and install Windows on top
[19:18] <bekks> TheSwede: Only using Wubi which is not recommended.
[19:18] <theadmin> Ice_Strike: That'd work too
[19:18] <bekks> TheSwede: You could use virtualbox as well.
[19:19] <Ice_Strike> theadmin Which would be faster as performance?
[19:19] <theadmin> Ice_Strike: Wine would, most of the time, though on a decent machine it shouldn't matter...
[19:19] <TheSwede> i guess. I am just going to do a little experimenting for a while and get back to you guys if i have anymore problems
[19:20] <yeats> Ice_Strike: you can also run Windows in vbox (or just dual boot) if you don't want to let go of Windows
[19:20] <DJones> Ice_Strike: I've got XP & W7 in Vbox, both run pretty quickly (4gb, i3 laptop), I'd say its as fast as a native install if that helps
[19:20] <Ice_Strike> DJones Thats sweet
[19:21] <Ice_Strike> what about Skype
[19:21] <Ice_Strike> with webcam
[19:21] <theadmin> Ice_Strike: Skype is available natively, like I said already.
[19:21] <Ice_Strike> Hmm I see
[19:21] <kicklighter> people i installed the plasma netbook in ubuntu software center but nothing happens????
[19:21] <MK`> Hm I went to install again. It was doing "copying files" and that completed, so then I selected my location, but now it seems to have frozen again. I think it is related to that specific part, can anyone help me? I verified the md5 of the ISO...
[19:22] <theadmin> kicklighter: Nothing will just "happen", you have to log in to it :/
[19:22] <go87651> I by rapoo h3050 headphones but in wireles mode they not working. is anyway to fix this?
[19:22] <kicklighter> and what should i state in the terminal
[19:23] <kicklighter> i  boot the thing log and out.....
[19:23] <mdobrinin> Do I have to shrink my windows 7 partition to accommodate Ubuntu if I'm using WUBI? Or does it sit inside?
[19:24] <bekks> mdobrinin: It sits inside. You'd better use vbox.
[19:24] <theadmin> mdobrinin: It installs to a file.
[19:24] <theadmin> mdobrinin: You can install normally if you wish to do partitioning
[19:24] <theadmin> mdobrinin: It's just a single button, really, "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows" :P
[19:24] <mdobrinin> I am fine with it sitting inside, is ther a reason I would use vbox?
[19:25] <theadmin> mdobrinin: Well, wubi is broken half the time
[19:25] <mdobrinin> :(
[19:25] <Ice_Strike> on Windows - I never had problem with my PC shutdown accidently or powercut
[19:25] <Ice_Strike> Should be no problem with Ubunto?
[19:25] <bekks> Ice_Strike: It is no problem with Ubunt_u_
[19:25] <kicklighter> i virtualbox you install steam for windows.....only in a tiny box....but that's all i need.....
[19:26] <Ice_Strike> bekks not even panic error issue ? :P
[19:26] <ilovett> can someone please help tell me why I can see a 2nd hard drive but cant mount it http://pastebin.com/NcuJvzHP
[19:26] <bekks> Ice_Strike: Whatever that may be. When having a panic, there is no facility living anymore that could display something.
[19:26] <ilovett> sdb is what im trying to mount, it was formatted in windows I think
[19:27] <kicklighter> i still got the prob plasma notebook....need some help
[19:27] <bekks> ilovett: sdb is an entire drive, not a partition.
[19:27] <DJones> Ice_Strike: I've been using Ubuntu since 2006, I've not had any issues that couldn't be easily recovered from, certainly less issues than if I'd been using Windows
[19:28] <MoL0ToV> 03:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 5289 (rev 01)
[19:28] <MoL0ToV>  suggestions?
[19:28] <bekks> MoL0ToV: On what?
[19:28] <Ice_Strike> DJones Ok that is good to hear..
[19:28] <ilovett> bekks: I can use it when in windows 7 -- what do I need to do to be able to use it in ubuntu?
[19:28] <MoL0ToV> bekks, is a card reader howto recognize?
[19:28] <bekks> ilovett: In Windows, there is a partition on that drive.
[19:29] <MK`> I got it working by disabling networking before selecting my location. That appears to have been making it hang.
[19:29] <bekks> MoL0ToV: I dont get what you are actually asking, I am sorry.
[19:29] <ilovett> bekks: do I have to reformat in linux? or can I just read / create the windows partition
[19:29] <Ice_Strike> DJones If I install Ubuntu - what do I need to install and config for security?
[19:30] <Ice_Strike> Do you all use Linux as root login?
[19:30] <bekks> ilovett: No. You have to mount the partition not the entire drive.
[19:30] <theadmin> Ice_Strike: Nobody does that.
[19:30] <bekks> ilovett: Hopefully noone have an open root login anymore.
[19:30] <Ice_Strike> theadmin Serious?
[19:30] <DJones> Ice_Strike: Ubuntu doesn't use root as default
[19:30] <Ice_Strike> Ah?
[19:30] <theadmin> Ice_Strike: Yes, nobody uses a root account unless it's an admin task.
[19:30] <SterkaSor> will ubuntu 12.04.3 have kernel from 13.04?
[19:30] <bekks> !root | Ice_Strike
[19:30] <ilovett> bekks: there is no dropdown available in pysdm for sdb
[19:31] <bekks> ilovett: Whatever psydm might be. Pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l please.
[19:31] <theadmin> Ice_Strike: In Ubuntu, the root account does technically exist but it's locked out (disabled), so use sudo for admin tasks
[19:31] <bekks> !paste | ilovett
[19:31] <motorsep> hi
[19:31] <Ice_Strike> theadmin I get it now
[19:32] <ilovett> http://pastebin.com/NcuJvzHP
[19:32] <motorsep> I have unusual issue with my 12.04 64bit
[19:32] <andreas__> goodevening my fellow ubuntunistas!
[19:32] <kicklighter> if i kubuntu plasma netbook .. will it change my default unity....and suggestions???
[19:32] <theadmin> kicklighter: It won't change anything... you have to log out, select a KDE session and log in to use it.
[19:32] <kicklighter> try it
[19:32] <andreas__> can anyone offer me some advice on voyager 12.10?
[19:33] <motorsep> I booted up Ubuntu today, logged in, a wallpaper momentarily flashed and Ubuntu went back to login screen. That's when I tried loggin in with Unity desktop. Logged in with Gnome without any issues. Any ideas how to fix?
[19:33] <ilovett> bekks: http://pastebin.com/NcuJvzHP
[19:33] <ubuntu22> I have a fresh install of 12.04 and I am having trouble making a call in skype, it will just crash.
[19:33] <Myrtti> andreas__: if it's not Ubuntu or officially supported derivative of it, then no
[19:34] <bekks> ilovett: As you can see, there is a partition called "sdb1".
[19:34] <theadmin> Myrtti: ...I think Voyager is a web browser used in QNX... But uh.
[19:34] <SterkaSor> Is nvidia geforce go 7400 still blacklisted to run Unity in ubuntu 12.04?
[19:34] <andreas_> hello
[19:34] <SterkaSor> or any newer ubuntu release
[19:35] <ilovett> bekks: ok, I have been using pysdm up to this point, its a nice mounting gui --- I will try to mount it manually
[19:35] <ilovett> bekks: thanks
[19:35] <andreas_> is there anyone who can assist me with voyager?
[19:37] <aartist> How I can print from ubuntu?  Is this a no-brainer?
[19:38] <theadmin> aartist: Should be the same way you print from anywhere else, open a document and click "Print" in whatever you open it with...
[19:38] <theadmin> aartist: You can print plain text files with "lp" from the CLI, too.
[19:39] <kicklighter> thank you people or whoever help me plasma netbook it look reall stunning .... lol!!!!
[19:39] <IdleOne> andreas_: ##ubuntu-voyager     may be able to help you
[19:39] <jakey1> what is an LDAP
[19:40] <kicklighter> $$$!** is this allowed????
[19:40] <Delux> Installing Ubuntu Server and it fails on GRUB install. It's trying to load to /dev/sda but that's not the drive I have aprtitioned for the OS. See error here > http://oi48.tinypic.com/dwfalh.jpg
[19:40] <bekks> kicklighter: No. Only single characters are allowed.
[19:41] <compdoc> Delux, how many drives in the system?
[19:41] <Tex_Nick> !ldap | jakey1
[19:41] <Delux> compdoc = 6 HDD and a USB Thumb Drive
[19:41] <motorsep> So, has anyone had this issue -  I booted up Ubuntu today, logged in, a wallpaper momentarily flashed and Ubuntu went back to login screen. That's when I tried loggin in with Unity desktop. Logged in with Gnome without any issues. Any ideas how to fix?
[19:42] <Igneous> Hi all, I'm on a fresh install of precise, trying to get fglrx up and working on a HD 3000 series radeon card. Things *seem* like they should be working, my xorg.0.log looks promising, no warnings or errors, fglrx loads, but then xorg hangs with a black screen, and lightdm never comes up. Anyone ever had this problem?
[19:42] <compdoc> Delux, I would just disconnect the other drives until after the OS installs. Btw, why couldnt it write to /dev/sda? sounds like thats lucky for you that it couldnt
[19:43] <Delux> compdoc - i dont have physical access to this box and it couldnt write to sda because it's not partitioned
[19:44] <snubbe> hi, anyone know a ubuntu alternative to itunes for updating ios-devices?
[19:44] <snubbe> tried itunes via wine and playonubuntu but its not working
[19:44] <ThinkT510> !rockbox | snubbe
[19:44] <compdoc> Delux, and you cant use /dev/sda for the OS?
[19:45] <bekks> snubbe: There is none. You need Windows/OSX and iTunes.
[19:45] <Checkpoint> Thanks guys! :) I want to dedicate a computer to a very simple, special program of mine. 1) I'd like the fastest booting linux distro available. So if I turn on the power, I'd like the system to start as soon as possible. 2) I don't want a regular desktop GUI. I'd like it to power on and jump into my program. Do you remember playing playstation or xbox? You put the disc in and powered on,
[19:45] <Checkpoint> and then you were right in the game. You didn't need to click a shortcut or navigate any folders or anything. That's what I want this to be. A computer where you turn on the power and the desktop is my simple program.
[19:45] <Delux> compdoc - I dont want to
[19:45] <Delux> it's a smaller drive
[19:45] <Checkpoint> How would I build something like this?
[19:46] <theadmin> Checkpoint: Well, you'd go with a plain X based setup and put your program startup directives into your .xinitrc, then make sure X starts on boot...
[19:46] <Checkpoint> I'm thinking I might just be able to create my own Desktop/GUI. Maybe I don't need to make a new "base" linux?
[19:46] <ThinkT510> Checkpoint: probably better asked in ##linux
[19:46] <DJones> Checkpoint: Sounds like something for ##hardware and ##linux rather than an Ubuntu support question
[19:46] <Checkpoint> Xubuntu, theadmin?
[19:46] <theadmin> Checkpoint: No, "X" as in no desktop environment, just the Xorg server
[19:47] <Checkpoint> Cool
[19:47] <Checkpoint> theadmin you rule!
[19:47] <theadmin> Checkpoint: I once made something like that with app being Chromium, attempting to recreate ChromeOS :P
[19:47] <theadmin> Checkpoint: So feel free to PM me for help
[19:47] <Checkpoint> lol!
[19:47] <Checkpoint> Cool
[19:50] <Delux> http://oi48.tinypic.com/dwfalh.jpg < what causes this error - I dont want to loaded to /dev/sda
[19:50] <joker_> hi everyone
[19:51] <joker_> hola a todos nigga's!
[19:51] <joker_> :D
[19:51] <joker_> ^_^ speak me
[19:51] <joker_> i have a problem
[19:51] <joker_> :D
[19:51] <FloodBot1> joker_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:51] <k1l> !language | joker_
[19:52] <javila> Hi, I open the terminal and I can't see it on alt+tab or where all the icons are placed in the left (dont know the english name)
[19:52] <javila> but the terminal is still opened, why can this happen?
[19:55] <javila> it seems to happen too with xchat
[19:58] <Igneous> Hi, I have a thinkpad w500 with a firegl v5700. Trying to install fglrx on precise.. Xorg launches, xorg.0.log looks hopeful (detects my card), but ultimately xorg hangs and my screen just goes black.
[19:58] <valtador> Hi could someone help me please
[19:59] <Igneous> I can't kill -9 the pid, I can't do anything with X (DISPLAY=:0 fglrxinfo/xrandr actually creates another unkillable process)
[19:59] <ilovett> getting a strange mounting error about invalid NTFS signature... what to do?   http://pastebin.com/jy0jJVxn
[19:59] <ilovett> pastebin has fdisk -l as well
[20:00] <Delux> http://oi48.tinypic.com/dwfalh.jpg < what causes this error - I dont want to loaded to /dev/sda
[20:00] <bekks> ilovett: Thats not NTFS. :)
[20:00] <ilovett> why does fdisk say it is?
[20:01] <ilovett> maybe its fat?
[20:01] <bekks> ilovett: We dont know it.
[20:01] <bekks> ilovett: It is your disk :)
[20:01] <ilovett> lol
[20:01] <ilovett> how does fdisk determine the type of hd?
[20:02] <bekks> ilovett: fdisk doesnt care about the FILESYSTEM, it only displays the PARTITION type.
[20:02] <ilovett> right then, the partition
[20:03] <MK`> My Ubuntu install is hanging at "Copying installation files." is it safe to reboot and consider it complete?
[20:03] <ilovett> /dev/sdb1               1       60802   488383488    7  HPFS/NTFS
[20:03] <bekks> ilovett: The partition type has NOTHING to do withe filesystem on the partition.
[20:04] <ilovett> yea, but fdisk -l produces "System: HPFS/NTFS"
[20:04] <Igneous> oh lawd
[20:04] <bekks> ilovett: The partition type has NOTHING to do withe filesystem on the partition.
[20:04] <ilovett> is that not neccessarily correct?
[20:04] <bekks> ilovett: Read what I told you :)
[20:04] <ilovett> i think im reading fdisk wrong...
[20:04] <linus> Has anyone gotten upmixing to work with pulse audio?
[20:04] <ilovett> file system != system?
[20:05] <linus> ive set enable-remixing and enable-lfe-remixing to = yes and default-sample-channels to = 5 but im still getting 2 channel output. What am I missing?
[20:05] <bekks> ilovett: PARTITION != FILESYSTEM ==> partition type != filesystem
[20:06] <Jutas> Hi. Is there a way to save display resolution settings from one system and apply to another?
[20:07] <ilovett> ok, I think I got it...
[20:07] <ilovett> got some reading to do
[20:07] <ilovett> thanks bekks :P
[20:09] <Delux> http://oi48.tinypic.com/dwfalh.jpg < what causes this error - I dont want to loaded to /dev/sda
[20:09] <linus> @jutas /home/username/.config/monitors.xml
[20:10] <Jutas> @linus Thanks. I'll have a look
[20:13] <gueriLLaPunK> what does this mean?
[20:13] <gueriLLaPunK> install: missing destination file operand after `libssp0_4.1.1-21_amd64.deb'
[20:13] <theadmin> gueriLLaPunK: "install" doesn't install things...
[20:13] <gueriLLaPunK> oh
[20:13] <theadmin> gueriLLaPunK: You want "sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb"
[20:13] <gueriLLaPunK> oh thanks!
[20:13] <theadmin> gueriLLaPunK: May need to run "sudo apt-get -f install" afterwards if it complains about missing deps
[20:13] <Igneous> the real question is why are you manually installing debs
[20:14] <theadmin> ...That too
[20:14] <theadmin> !find libssp
[20:14] <gueriLLaPunK> http://archive.debian.net/etch/amd64/libssp0/download
[20:14] <Igneous> oh lord
[20:14] <gueriLLaPunK> i need that
[20:14] <theadmin> gueriLLaPunK: Why are you installing a DEBIAN package in UBUNTU?
[20:14] <linus> there are many reasons to manually install a package, not found in a repository or a ppa is the main one, but i could think of three more
[20:14] <jakey1> Are there 'things' that I could do with a custom designed CMS that I couldn't do with joomla, wordpress etc.?
[20:14] <theadmin> gueriLLaPunK: They're NOT compatible distros.
[20:14] <gueriLLaPunK> :\
[20:15] <Igneous> gueriLLaPunK: what's the problem you're running into that caused you to start hunting for that package in the first place?
[20:16] <gueriLLaPunK> im trying to compile rtorrent with xmlrpc-c and i got this error
[20:16] <gueriLLaPunK> configure: error: Could not compile XMLRPC-C test.
[20:17] <theadmin> gueriLLaPunK: Why are you compiloing rtorrent.
[20:17] <theadmin> gueriLLaPunK: It's in the repos.
[20:17] <theadmin> gueriLLaPunK: sudo apt-get install rtorrent
[20:18] <linus> @gueriLLaPunk you are going to need more of that error before your problem can be solved
[20:18] <gueriLLaPunK> i know its in the repos, but i was told i need xmlrpc-c with rtorrent
[20:18] <gueriLLaPunK> im following a guide
[20:18] <anew> shit, i made my bash prompt bold and now i cant put it back to normal
[20:18] <anew> can anyone help
[20:18] <betz1> Hi! I am looking for a command that would copy a folder, but where i get a progress indication. Does anyone know such command?
[20:19] <theadmin> betz1: vcp
[20:19] <Igneous> gueriLLaPunK: fair enough, I'd think that rtorrent was built with all possible options when it was packaged, but maybe not
[20:19] <betz1> checking it out
[20:19] <Igneous> gueriLLaPunK: can you maybe provide a bit more context than that one line regarding your build error?
[20:19] <Igneous> gueriLLaPunK: maybe pastebin the entire make log?
[20:19] <anew> lol i got it luckily
[20:19] <theadmin> betz1: Sorry, meant gcp, seems it's been renamed or something.
[20:20] <gueriLLaPunK> well, i just finished compiling and installing libtorrent, got no errors, Igneous
[20:20] <gueriLLaPunK> that was the last time in the error
[20:20] <gueriLLaPunK> it was doing a bunch of "checking..."
[20:20] <gueriLLaPunK> "checking for...
[20:20] <OerHeks> betz1, rsync --progress /copy/from /copy/to
[20:21] <MK`> what is the name of the 64-bit steam package?
[20:21] <gueriLLaPunK> Igneous, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1665548/
[20:21] <theadmin> MK`: "steam64", but it's not real.
[20:22] <theadmin> MK`: There's no real 64-bit version of Steam, so that just pulls in the 32-bit version
[20:22] <MK`> ok
[20:22] <MK`> hm, I am getting 'unable to locate package steam64', same for just 'steam'.
[20:23] <Pr0jectRec0n> Hello buddy
[20:23] <theadmin> MK`: Also, for some odd reason, the Steam packages are in a private-ppa, so it's only installable via the Software Centre.
[20:23] <MK`> ah
[20:23] <MK`> It's only letting me select "Buy" instead of "install"... is that correct?
[20:23] <Igneous> gueriLLaPunK: is there any further information in the config.log? there should be some compiler output associated with trying to compile and run that test, it would've gotten logged to config.log but not to stdout.
[20:23] <theadmin> MK`: Yeah, it costs $0.00 though so you will not be charged, but you will need an USSO account.
[20:24] <MK`> alright
[20:24] <Guest10066> I'm JUTAS. I'm from a LIVE CD.  There is no monitors.xml in the .config folder on the real filesystem partition
[20:25] <betz1> ok, rsync will do. thanks OerHeks and theadmin for the help
[20:25] <gueriLLaPunK> how do i copy and paste everything in config.log?
[20:25] <bekks> !pastebinit | gueriLLaPunK
[20:26] <Igneous> !sprunge
[20:26] <gueriLLaPunK> ty
[20:26] <Igneous> lame
[20:26] <Igneous> gueriLLaPunK: imo if you have curl installed you can throw it up on sprunge a lot easier than installing some script
[20:26] <theadmin> Igneous: Except it comes preinstalled :P
[20:27] <Igneous> ah, that I did not know
[20:27] <theadmin> Igneous: Nowadays anyway
[20:27] <gueriLLaPunK> so whats the cmd that i need to use before pastebinit?
[20:27] <gueriLLaPunK> to send config.log
[20:27] <Igneous> cat config.log
[20:27] <gueriLLaPunK> ahhh
[20:28] <Igneous> derp
[20:28] <gueriLLaPunK> Igneous, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1665585/
[20:28] <theadmin> !sprunge is <reply> Sprunge is a simple, text-only pastebin that you can upload files to via the command-line. To use, make sure "curl" is installed, and then run your_command | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[20:29] <theadmin> There, for the heck of it :P
[20:29] <theadmin> Igneous: You could also simply do "pastebinit config.log"...
[20:29]  * Igneous sitting in a ubuntu rescue session wih no TTYs to check the usage of pastebinit
[20:30] <Igneous> but noted :P
[20:30] <theadmin> Igneous: You can still read the manpage eh
[20:31] <Igneous> maybe if I background irssi
[20:31] <Igneous> I'm lazy
[20:31] <Igneous> gueriLLaPunK: so, it looks like that "checking for XMLRPC-C, result: failed" is probably a pkgconfig check for something
[20:31] <Igneous> I wish I knew what though, haha
[20:32] <Igneous> give me a sec to google around
[20:32] <gueriLLaPunK> thank you kindly
[20:32] <DJones> Igneous: Why background irssi? Thats where byobu/screen come in :)
[20:32] <theadmin> Or tmux.
[20:32] <gueriLLaPunK> Igneous, i found an updated guide. im trying that
[20:33] <gueriLLaPunK> it makes use of curl and svn
[20:33] <Igneous> gueriLLaPunK: yeah I think the problem is actually more that --with-xmlrpc-c isn't a config option
[20:33] <Igneous> so it's looking for an ac test to enable that, and it's not there
[20:33] <Delux> Trying to install Ubuntu Server on /dev/sdc1 but when it comes to selecting where to install the GRUB boot loader it fails to install. I tired selecting /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdc - any thoughts?
[20:33] <Igneous> or maybe I'm full of it
[20:34] <Tatuus> Hi! Ubuntu 12.10... Doesn't recognize ANY dvd... Cd yes.. installed sudo apt-get install libdvdcss libdvdread4 libdvdnav4 -so whats my next move ?
[20:34] <xpistos> has anyone had luck installing guest addtitions on an ubuntu guest in Vbox? Version 12.04.2 or 12.10
[20:35] <Igneous> it's been a while, let me re-ask this: I'm on a fresh 12.04 install, trying to get fglrx to work with a firegl v5700/mobility hd3650. fglrx installs, the kmod loads, xorg starts up and logs lots of pretty success messages, but xorg hangs at '[fglrx] FIREGL BOARD DETECTED'
[20:35]  * |Slacker| had
[20:35] <gueriLLaPunK> Igneous, have you tried turning it off and on again?
[20:35] <|Slacker|> xpistos, I ain't got no problems installing vbox guest additions
[20:36] <Igneous> I just get a black screen, can't kill xorg, sometimes I can't even do 'ps aux', things get so hung up
[20:36] <Igneous> nothing particularly helpful in my dmesg, or any logs for that matter :(
[20:36] <Tatuus> do i need to mount something ? I'm don't understand, cd's play but dvd's do nothing in drive
[20:37] <Igneous> Works fine with xf86-video-ati or whatever ubuntu calls it though
[20:37] <Igneous> just fglrx sucking
[20:37] <xpistos> |Slacker|: I won't install right for me. Did you do anyting special?
[20:37] <|Slacker|> Tatuus, there's alittle command you need to run in terminal....gimme a minute, I'll get that
[20:37] <Tatuus> THanks SLacker =)
[20:38] <Tatuus> i played dvd's fine before if i recall right
[20:38] <xpistos> I have tried 12.04.2 and 12.10. I tried using virtualbox-guest-utils, the cd ...
[20:38] <|Slacker|> xpistos, I had to access the folder through the terminal and run de vbox-guest-install as sudo from there
[20:39] <ErtanERBEK> anyone use optirun ?
[20:39] <|Slacker|> Tatuus, checke whether your system has libdvdread installed
[20:39] <ErtanERBEK> I mean anyone have nvidia optimus system
[20:39] <DeadWeasel> Whta is acceptable packets loss in ubuntu when using wireless?
[20:39] <Tatuus> Slacer, yes it's installed
[20:39] <Tatuus> LivDVDread4
[20:40] <Tatuus> also Libdvdcss
[20:40] <xpistos> http://pastebin.com/XC8n9h5K
[20:40] <|Slacker|> Tatuus, try this: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[20:40] <Tatuus> and libdvdnav4 installed
[20:40] <xpistos> I am going to try install the headers it asks for
[20:40] <Tatuus> Ok thanks, i try
[20:41] <xpistos> but I had this in an earlier version as well with no luck
[20:41] <|Slacker|> xpistos, oh...yeah...you'll need the headers
[20:41] <|Slacker|> I needed
[20:41] <sibis> Hi, I just installed ubuntu over Vista, and now the mouse is laggy and screen keeps flashing, any advice?
[20:42] <aartist> I see around 3000+ program in my /usr/bin,  what are they doing ? How they got installed , How I can find brief description of them?
[20:42] <hacker> worldofhacker.com
[20:42] <xpistos> not sure what lines 11 and 12 do though
[20:42] <Tatuus> No, still absolutely nothing... Cd's recognized though.. Could this be a damaged dvd drive? I'm very confused
[20:42] <|Slacker|> aartist, Ubuntu Software Centre
[20:43] <|Slacker|> Tatuus, I read somewhere that after that command a reboot might be needed
[20:43] <Tatuus> Ok.... rebooting
[20:43] <Tatuus> thanks in advance
[20:43] <Guest43026> hi! I have the laptop: HP Pavilon b005ea, which comes with Windows 8 (UEFI added, of course). I want to get rid of W8 and install just ubuntu. The PC has a 32G SSD (sdb) + 512G HD (sda). I tried several times to install / in the 32G but after BIOS I get the message not operative system found (in UEFI and in normal BIOS). I've removed all the fake raids too. Any clue?
[20:44] <eternalW8hate> I've tried boot repair too, but not luck at all
[20:44] <|Slacker|> eternalW8hate, have you wiped all the partitions?
[20:45] <aartist> |Slacker|: Can I get that information in emacs?
[20:46] <Ackis> so I installed ubuntu and managed to mess things up so that I don't have the quick launch bar on the left side, nor do I have the menu bar on the top... pretty good for 5 minutes of use eh?
[20:46] <eternalW8hate> |Slacker|: yes. I've removed them on the installation process, and then create the news that I need: / in sdb and /home + swap in sda. I've tried with this bootgrub kind of partition too, but didn't work either :(
[20:46] <|Slacker|> aartist, dunno, dude...I ain't an advanced user
[20:46] <ErtanERBEK> anyone can give me glxgear result via optirun ?
[20:46] <|Slacker|> eternalW8hate, you have to create a 1MB partition with Bios_grub flag, otherwise it will never boot
[20:47] <|Slacker|> uefi systems require this
[20:47] <Tatuus> Slacker.... Rebooted... still nothing. Cd's recognized still. I noticed that when i booted, the "boot from cd" with DVD disc in drive didn't even check the disk... maybe my dvd drive is damaged?
[20:47] <|Slacker|> by the way...I needed to creat a 2MB partition, for some reason 1MB didn't work for me
[20:47] <ericus> Hey guys! Is there any easy way to remove two language sections from a PDF file? When I scroll from page 1 to the next page, it's in french and germany. So, there is a lot of scrolling to be done (650 pages). Screenshot of the PDf chapters:
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 www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0TAuLJyFJoxch haha så jävla rolig scen
[20:47] <ericus> * Pake (www-data@localhost) has joined #Kalix
[20:47] <FloodBot1> ericus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
 hmm, någon som vill hjälpa mig med att få bort sektioner från en PDF-fil?
[20:47] <|Slacker|> Tatuus, maybe, yes
[20:48] <eternalW8hate> |Slacker|: what do you call tag? I've created 256M boot grub (this was on the list)
[20:48] <|Slacker|> eternalW8hate, how did you create it? using the Disks Utility?
[20:48] <Tatuus> i try to replace the drive... and get back to you... if still no go, it suppose it's odd :D
[20:48] <eternalW8hate> |Slacker|: yep, the partition program at installation (Advanced option)
[20:48] <|Slacker|> and I said flag, not tag :p
[20:49] <edgewalker> Hi all! Anyone have any opinions on 12.04.2 LTS? The update manager said it's available.
[20:49] <eternalW8hate> |Slacker|: sorry :D I read about that flag/tag, but I just thought that was this kind of partition and this is all
[20:49] <|Slacker|> eternalW8hate, you need to have an  unformatted partition of at least 1MB reserved for the BIOS
[20:49] <xpistos> AH, Now it said I am having a problem with depmod
[20:49] <eternalW8hate> |Slacker|: I am on live system now, I will try to do it and let you know
[20:49] <|Slacker|> when you create it, you go in advanced and select BIOS whatever I forgot the name
[20:49] <ericus> Hey guys! Is there any easy way to remove two language sections from a PDF file? When I scroll from page 1 to the next page, it's in french and germany. So, there is a lot of scrolling to be done (650 pages). Screenshot of the PDf chapters: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4375930/Screenshot%20from%202013-02-16%2021%3A29%3A41.png
[20:50] <|Slacker|> at the drop down menu for the FS
[20:50] <eternalW8hate> ah ok, this is exactly what I made then |Slacker|
[20:50] <eternalW8hate> I will start the installation process again. But before that. Should I change my BIOS back? use uefi or legacy mode?
[20:51] <|Slacker|> I couldn't do it with UEFI, I had to disable it
[20:51] <eternalW8hate> The manuals on internet recommend keeping uefi, but it didn't really wokr
[20:51] <eternalW8hate> ok |Slacker| then, summarizing: disable UEFI + enable legacy + add boot partition of 10M?
[20:51] <|Slacker|> yup, it might work I guess
[20:52] <hacker> worldofhacker.com
[20:52] <eternalW8hate> ok |Slacker| thanks!
[20:52] <|Slacker|> just remember it needs to be an unformatted BIOS whatever the name is partition :P
[20:52] <hacker> http://www.worldofhacker.com/Article-FACEBOOK-HACKED-IN-ZERO-DAY-ATTACK
[20:52] <|Slacker|> np dude
[20:52] <aartist> |Slacker|: ok.. It would be nice, if it is available, like Emacs package manager.. .
[20:53] <TomSlominski> hi. how do i kill specific python scripts from the command line?
[20:53] <aartist> TomSlominski: get pid and kill ..
[20:53] <ericus> TomSlominski, ps ax | grep python, find the process and kill it
[20:53] <|Slacker|> TomSlominski, ps -A | grep nameofscript?
[20:54] <TomSlominski> perhaps I haven't phrased the question right
[20:54] <PRabyte> im having a little trouble with xscreensavor on 12.10. as well as 12.04. i go to change the screensavor or whatever, and check as i check the Preview of it, it say with popup: The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0".  Launch it now?  it then The xscreensaver daemon did not start up properly. Please check your $PATH and permissions.   when i press ok.  also, when i do ctr-alt-L  it locks, but no screen 
[20:54] <TomSlominski> it shows up as "python ./cloudprint.py"
[20:54] <albivian> hi all
[20:55] <albivian> i have a t40 with built wireless, but when i nm-tool, the decive isn't listed
[20:55] <albivian> used ndiswrapper, still won't show
[20:55] <albivian> bios shows the device is there
[20:55] <albivian> what's the hell is going on?
[20:55] <|Slacker|> TomSlominski, kill -9 name.py
[20:56] <xpistos> I also tried apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) but it said I have the correct header installed
[20:56] <albivian> ubuntu 12.04 on thinkpad  t40
[20:56] <|Slacker|> albivian, your device is hard locked, maybe?
[20:56] <k1l> albivian: look at lspci/lsusb if the device is found. check rfkill if its blocked. see dmesg what happens
[20:56] <wizack> How do I execute "empathy"?
[20:56] <albivian> k11
[20:56] <wizack> I've installed everything mentioned at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Empathy
[20:56] <k1l> wizack: press super-button and type empathy?
[20:56] <albivian> k1l: will try it briefly
[20:57] <wizack> k1l: What is supper-button?
[20:57] <TomSlominski> |Slacker|, even if i'm in the script's directory i still get a no process found error
[20:57] <k1l> wizack: the windows logo button
[20:57] <|Slacker|> 0.o
[20:57] <TomSlominski> this is actually meant to be used in an init script
[20:57] <TomSlominski> |Slacker|, hang on, maybe ive killed it now. ive killed python entirely before
[20:58] <rexleo> Hellu all, was wondering if anyone knows a way to get my Logitech G510 keyboard to work. ( M-keys,G-keys and the screen)? Using ubuntu 12.10 64 bit
[20:58] <PRabyte> im having a little trouble with xscreensavor on 12.10. as well as 12.04. i go to change the screensavor or whatever, and check as i check the Preview of it, it say with popup: The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0".  Launch it now?  it then The xscreensaver daemon did not start up properly. Please check your $PATH and permissions.   when i press ok.  also, when i do ctr-alt-L  it locks, but no screen 
[20:58] <unheeding> i think xscreensaver and unity don't play nice together
[20:59] <PRabyte> im starting to think that as well unheeding
[20:59] <PRabyte> im using gnome classic at login screen, and lightdm, not gd
[20:59] <PRabyte> the screensavor i have is gnome based
[20:59] <ZNaught> Hello
[21:00] <PRabyte> gdm i would think must be perm'd for gnome only, but im running lightdm, actually this the first time im using lightdm on ubuntu vs say debian 6
[21:00] <PRabyte> wheezy i believe
[21:00] <ZNaught> I am trying out Wubi and installed it with the 25GB option selected. However, I attempted to install a program that was 10GB and it told me I did not have necessary space. Looking under disk usage, it said I only have a 3GB partition. What can I do to expand it?
[21:01] <PRabyte> wonders what the work around is for gnome screensavor to work with non-gdm dm manager
[21:01] <sajan> How long does it generally take to get new versions of software into the repos?  I see that LibreOffice 4 has been released and was wondering when it would be in the official repos?
[21:01] <PRabyte> but the message is xscreensaver  thats what is annoying and it states perms or check path or whatever, everything is default here
[21:01] <PRabyte> im make not changes to an gconf confs
[21:01] <PRabyte> locally or as root
[21:02] <k1l> sajan: new versiones come with new ubuntu release (beside fixes for security reasons or other heavy bugs)
[21:03] <sajan> k1l:  I see.  So the new LibreOffice probably won't hit Ubuntu's repos until 13.04 then.
[21:03] <k1l> sajan: im not sure what the route is for 12.04. but i think 13.04 will be the one to go
[21:03] <PRabyte> i think the root cause, is when i log in, the xscreensaver is not starting... should i do a rc.local, but that wont help, i get the error above when i try manually, this its a root setting somewhere. i just want my screensaver to work when i lock it or auto does so...
[21:03] <PRabyte> brb
[21:03] <ZNaught> can anyone help me with a larger wubi installation?
[21:03] <ldiamond> I just installed nVidia's latest drivers and one of my monitors flickers like crazy. Any idea?
[21:04] <Riflex> someone knows, how i can reset the keyboard shortcuts?
[21:04] <Riflex> in ubuntu 12.04.2
[21:04] <PRabyte> im this close to saying shine to gnome and moving to xfce4 if unity/ubuntu are going to bump heads like this
[21:06] <PRabyte> Riflex: under admin > settings there is system settings, there is a keyboard short cut gui awaiting
[21:06] <gry> sajan, what's new with it, and what version did the new thing appear in
[21:06] <PRabyte> apps > sys tools > sys settings
[21:06] <PRabyte> look for the keyboard ;)
[21:07] <linus> is there anyway i can have different startup applications for unity and gnome?
[21:07] <gry> sajan, https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases, find if you have your version there
[21:07] <sajan> gry: To be honest, I haven't even tried 4.0.  The new libreoffice site looks well updated though.  I was just curious as I have about 40 computers to update and have a repo or a ppa is much easier.
[21:07] <PoolShark_> is there a process accounting package for ubuntu?
[21:08] <sajan> gry: Thanks!  That PPA is exactly what I needed.
[21:08] <PoolShark_> I need to keep track of how much CPU my users are using
[21:08] <PRabyte> linus  apps > sys tools > sys settings > details > default apps. thats the only thing i noticed other than changing conf files all over the place
[21:08] <gry> PoolShark_, I use htop, is there something specific you're after other than a good task manager? would you want some per-user stats/logs/graphs?
[21:09] <xpistos> Warning unknown version of X windows system installed
[21:09] <PRabyte> no idea where the start up apps are anymore
[21:09] <xpistos> not installing x windows system driver
[21:09] <PRabyte> im coming from 10.04. everything has changed, and moved around, its almost like a windows os
[21:09] <PRabyte> gnome wont let you right click the gnome-panel anymore,,, wtf
[21:10] <PoolShark_> gry: yes, I need to keep track of per-user CPU usage with logs and stats and such...
[21:10] <SonikkuAmerica> PRabyte: In Natty/Oneiric and up, System Settings > Startup Applications
[21:10] <PRabyte> SonikkuAmerica: someone else asked that
[21:10] <SonikkuAmerica> !natty | Of course
[21:10] <PRabyte> point it to them
[21:10] <Riflex> PRabyte: but there's no reset button :(
[21:11] <PRabyte> Riflex: eh?
[21:11] <SonikkuAmerica> PRabyte: Who asked? I came in late
[21:11] <linus> the config file created by the startup application program is shared by both unity and gnome, i want to use two different
[21:11] <PRabyte> linus i think
[21:11] <Mannequin> hi. If I run 'umask', I get ths output: '0002'
[21:11] <PRabyte> yep linus is his nick lol
[21:11] <PRabyte> rather bold
[21:11] <Mannequin> but I can't find no place there the 'umask' is set to that value.
[21:11] <SonikkuAmerica> linus: Since Natty, System Settings > Startup Applications.
[21:11] <tux__> should http://www.ubuntu.com/testing not having raring ringtail?
[21:11] <Riflex> PRabyte: no button for keyboard shortcut reset
[21:11] <linus> its my real name, nothing bold about it
[21:11] <PRabyte> ohhh
[21:11] <PRabyte> ic
[21:12] <Mannequin> The places I checked (~/.profile and /etc/profile) set it to 022
[21:12] <go8765> hello. help me please to fix rapoo h3050 headphone working in ubuntu
[21:12] <PRabyte> Riflex: yah its tricky
[21:12] <PRabyte> Riflex: you backspace each as select each one, it disables it
[21:12] <Mannequin> So, where is the current umask being set?
[21:12] <ZNaught> anyone know how to deal with wubi install sizes?
[21:13] <Riflex> PRabyte: ahh man thank you a lot
[21:13] <gry> PoolShark_, there is 'acct' tool, look it up in software center, does it do what you need. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-log-user-activity-using-process-accounting.html
[21:13] <xpistos> This is so frustrating. I can't find anything that seems to work
[21:13] <Riflex> have a good night everybody
[21:14] <PRabyte> the thing i hate about gui's is it doesnt really teach you anything, since 12.x ubuntu, its real kindergarten looking... gnome classic is have there, everything is moved around... someone kick shuttleworths balls already, and put stuff back. this unity format is horrendeous even to average users.
[21:14] <PRabyte> np
[21:14] <Mannequin> ok, I missed the USERGROUPS_ENAB, that seems to be related to how umask will be set for some particular cases
[21:14] <linus> the only solution ive come up with is using different users for gnome and unity but that solution isnt elegant
[21:15] <AxonetBE> what is the best ubuntu version now for webservers?
[21:15] <alexxv46> myfirstmessage
[21:15] <PRabyte> im starting to think there are unity program versions vs gnome desktop versions. look at screenshot in software center. and alas, screensavor, Xscreensaver daemon desnt't seme running yadda lanuch it now... come on... screensave isnt working by default?
[21:16] <linus> @PRabyte I find the unity interface quick and simple, but it is simple enough to add a gnome3, or gnome-classic, or lxde or any other desktop session
[21:16] <linus> screensaver daemon was removed for security reasons
[21:16] <PRabyte> omg.. why
[21:17] <computerex> I hate installing other environments, so much duplication :(
[21:17] <PRabyte> brb
[21:17] <computerex> Suddenly you have a billion appearance properties, and you have to sift through to figure out which one works
[21:17] <linus> @computerex there is hardly any duplication between untiy, gnome3 and gnome-classic
[21:17] <gry> alexxv46: hi.
[21:18] <go8765> anyone use rappo h3050 in ubuntu?
[21:18] <bekks> go8765: Why?
[21:18] <go8765> bekks: what why?
[21:18] <alexxv46> hello))
[21:18] <bekks> !anyone | go8765
[21:20] <go8765> bekks: my "next question" I asked, but anyone answer, so I ask if anyone use this headphones
[21:20] <bekks> go8765: Just ask your REAL question please.
[21:21] <go8765> mb someone have no pb with its
[21:21] <bekks> go8765: Do you have an ubuntu related support question?
[21:21] <PRabyte> linus your miles varies from mine, your purpose with your gui is diff than mine, i like to customize mine. unity does NOT allow this. as you well know
[21:21] <PRabyte> mine doesnt allow a friggen screensavor to run
[21:22] <PRabyte> i find security not an issue with screensavor, anyone who has access to a box can access it, there is no way the gnome screensavor has an issue on this box and especailly through a fire wall...
[21:22] <go8765> bekks: ye. I have rappo h3050 headphonea that dont work in ubuntu. so i try to find way to fix it
[21:22] <PRabyte> its a local service
[21:22] <bekks> !details | go8765
[21:23] <PRabyte> matter of fact, dont run a gui, its a security issue, but the gui wasnt dropped... please...
[21:23] <linus> there is a long descirption on launchpad about the secrutiy vulnerablity but it isnt really important
[21:23] <PRabyte> all services have security vunerabilties, but they are still starting at boot up...
[21:23] <PRabyte> good grief
[21:23] <datruth> I'm having issues getting ident to work for both ipv6 and ipv4 anyone have any pointers? i'm using oidentd
[21:24] <linus> ubuntus goal has always been end user simplicty, that may why it seems like they take out customizations
[21:24] <PRabyte> someone kick mark shuttleworth already, put gnome back the way it should be, and stop controling us.. sheshh
[21:24] <yharrow> is that *the* linus?
[21:24] <linus> but in reality it is still all open source so you can always change anything you want
[21:24] <w_> hello
[21:24] <bekks> yharrow: No.
[21:24] <yharrow> oh ok :P
[21:24] <linus> im linus from fargo not sweden
[21:25] <yharrow> ah ok
[21:25] <yharrow> :D
[21:25] <linus> if i was the linus, there is no way id be deffending unity
[21:25] <yharrow> hehe
[21:25] <Senjai> Linus made the kernel, not ubuntu
[21:25] <go8765> bekks: ubuntu 12.10 + rapoo h3050. in windows i have some troubles too with this headphones(some extended driver option, after remowing that all become work. is anyway to do the same in ubuntu?)
[21:25] <yharrow> i believe that ubuntu replaces the freedom of technical customization with the freedom of  user interface customization
[21:26] <bekks> go8765: Windows problems are irrelevant in here. Please describe your problem without using "they do not work".
[21:26] <w_> who are you?
[21:26] <PoolShark_> Linus has lost his mind
[21:26] <w_> no
[21:26] <Senjai> Yharrow: ubuntu doesn't replace anything. You can remove and customize whatever you want
[21:27] <yharrow> senjai, ubuntu offers less technical avenues of customization, aka less technical tools as far as i know
[21:27] <w_> time is appening
[21:27] <linus> Why do you think mr torvalds would be a fan of unity? because i doubt it, if i had to guess id say he uses a version of debian but it might be something more obscure
[21:27] <Senjai> Yharrow: it doesn't. I'm afraid to say your ignorant
[21:27] <bekks> yharrow: It offers more than windows.
[21:28] <linus> no one is comparing anything to windows, i believe this discussion is about linux distrobutins or more specifically desktop enviroments
[21:28] <yharrow> Senjai, don't be afraid to say anything. And having not made an actual application by application copmarison, I can neither confirm my ignorance nor support my position
[21:28] <Senjai> Linus this discussion is nothing of the sort
[21:28] <k1l> !ot
[21:29] <yharrow> Senjai, I was not implying that ubuntu is inferior in any way. Only that there are *some* distributions which cater to a more technical crowd
[21:29] <linuxer1> Is there any decent way to map an Ubuntu package that is coming from the security repo *back* to the Ubuntu USN without having to do a lot of manual searching?
[21:29] <k1l> lets stick to technical support in this channel. we have #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic for the other topics, thank you guys
[21:30] <yharrow> bekks, I completely agree with you. Again I am not attacking ubuntu in any ay
[21:30] <Senjai> Yharrow: define a tool? Because afaik all Linux/gnu distros come with gnuutils and gnu tools necessary for manipulating th system. Just because ubuntu looks pretty doesn't mean it's different
[21:30] <yharrow> way*
[21:30] <go8765> bekks: I think that this is plug and play device, so I think that  it dont need any options to use it. But I dont now what to describe more.  I put wired-dongle and dont hear any sound in ubuntu. So I think mb deliting some extended options of this device(like in windows I do) help to fix  my sound trouble, but I dont know how do this in ubuntu.
[21:31] <histo> yharrow that's not true. you can customize just as much iin ubuntu
[21:31] <PuFFs> Whats a good secure FTP ?
[21:31] <gry> yharrow: You can install additional things on Ubuntu and customize it. It's newbie-friendly from the start, but can be customized to fit your needs. A Debian packaging system with an emphasis on newer packages is the reason I stick to it myself.
[21:31] <linus> @go8765 do you have pulse audio volume control installed?
[21:31] <Senjai> Puffs secure FTP is secure ftp
[21:31] <go8765> linus: yes
[21:32] <linus> does you hardware show up as an option in there?
[21:32] <linus> if you have a usb dongle that is plug in play you will see it there
[21:33] <yharrow> I am well aware that a sophisticated packaging system with access to comprehensive repositories allows for the same level of customizations as any other system with access to those same or similar tools
[21:33] <go8765> yes. i see it
[21:33] <go8765> linuus 3 or 4 devices
[21:33] <gry> yharrow: That said this channel isn't all Ubuntu users; some people help here while using non-Ubuntu distributions.
[21:33] <Senjai> Yharrow: that sentence is 100% rhetoric and contributed nothing to your standpoint
[21:33] <Ubuntu_User> hello, i'm having a bit of an issue with e2fsck. is this the right place to find help for it?
[21:34] <gry> Ubuntu_User: Definitely a good place to start. Give your details and see what this channel can do for you.
[21:34] <linus> do the headphones plug into the dongle or do they use RF or bluetooth?
[21:34] <bekks> Ubuntu_User: Yes.
[21:35] <Ubuntu_User> well, it's no so much of an error as the percentage complete isnt going up. the time elapsed is updating, and the error count is going up, but it stays at 1.23% done.
[21:35] <bekks> Ubuntu_User: It can take quite a long time. I've seen fsck running for more than 24 hours.
[21:35] <MACscr> cant i change my root passwd by booting into recovery mode and running passwd? seems im getting an authentication token manipulation error
[21:36] <bekks> !root | MACscr
[21:36] <go8765> linus: I think that plug and play http://rapoo.com/showdetails.aspx?P_No=H3050
[21:36] <gry> MACscr: Are you able to use sudo from another user?
[21:36] <yharrow> I as simply defending against insinuations that all distributions are more or less the same as long as they have a good packaging system included. Which to an extent, is not entirely false. Since, if you isntall the same packages on all systems they will all more or less be the same.
[21:36] <Ubuntu_User> hmm. ok. i'll wait a bit more. its a 320gb drive, so it might take a while.
[21:36] <Ubuntu_User> thank you.
[21:36] <MACscr> ah, nvm. Didnt realize recovery mode was read only
[21:36] <MACscr> i just need to remount things i guess
[21:37] <k1l> yharrow: please take it to the channels mentioned above and stick to technical issues in here. thanks
[21:37] <Senjai> Yharrow: all distributions come with the same
[21:37] <Ubuntu_User> it has been running for over an hour, though...
[21:37] <Ben64> MACscr: you shouldn't have a root password though
[21:37] <gry> MACscr: Recovery mode for Ubuntu has a mode to write to disk too.
[21:37] <yharrow> k1l alright thanks
[21:37] <bekks> Ubuntu_User: There are 23h left ;)
[21:37] <Ubuntu_User> 1 hour is not 1.23 percent of 24 hours xD
[21:38] <Senjai> Yharrow tools, I can do anything in my archlinux vm which is command line only, in ubuntu. More to the point I can take a barb es system and install a package manager, just like how I can remove u untus understand?
[21:38] <linus> you would have had a much easier time if youd have bought a bluetooth dongle and bluetooth stereo headphones, but if you can see a device in pulseaudio volume control when the dongle is pluged in you should be able to get them to work
[21:38] <Ubuntu_User> oh, my, it just changed to 1.24. i guess ill be here a while.
[21:38] <Ubuntu_User> at least i know its not stuck. thanks!
[21:38] <k1l> Senjai: same for you. #ubuntu-offtopic and/or #ubuntu-discuss exists
[21:38] <Senjai> Bare bones** sorry typing on a phone
[21:39] <MACscr> gry: mount -rw -o remount / got me where where i needed to be
[21:39] <gry> Cool.
[21:39] <bekks> MACscr: You should fix the reason for having it mounted read-only first.
[21:40] <AxonetBE> I wanted to upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 but upgrade failed, now I want to go from 10.04 to 11.04 but I can't get starting the install.
[21:40] <AxonetBE> here are the problems: https://gist.github.com/DriesS/4968848
[21:40] <AxonetBE> what do I have to do?
[21:41] <k1l> AxonetBE: there is no 10.04 to 11.04
[21:41] <AxonetBE> k1l: 11.10 I mean
[21:42] <linus> click on the speaker in the top bar then select sound setting
[21:42] <bekks> AxonetBE: There is no 10.04 to 11.10 either.
[21:42] <k1l> AxonetBE: thats a no go, too
[21:42] <bekks> AxonetBE: There is either 10.04 to 12.04 or 10.04 to 10.10 - thats all.
[21:42] <linus> now select hardware, then select your headphone dongle, then test speakers
[21:43] <k1l> AxonetBE: you can only do a 10.04 to 12.04 upgrade or you make a upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 to 11.04 to 11.10.
[21:43] <AxonetBE> bekks: Ok tried from 10.04 to 12.04 but was not working.
[21:44] <bekks> AxonetBE: "was not working" - which error messages did you get?
[21:45] <angs> how can I see my arp table?
[21:45] <c4nuck> hi guys i'm having a problem setting up tightvnc. It starts up fine and kde starts loading and just before it finishes it completely crashes with no output in the .log at all
[21:46] <c4nuck> has anybody else here setup tightvnc before ?
[21:47] <go8765> linus: thank you! when I turn off my microphone in second headphons - i get sound!
[21:47] <go8765> pavucontrol help)
[21:47] <nydel> i'm having probably-fatal problems caused perhaps by an interrupted upgrade. i can't seem to install successfully the latest ubuntu "linux" package.. i get stuck somewhere between apt-get, dpkg, & update-initramfs.. i need help, please.
[21:48] <AxonetBE> bekks: it is in dutch but error messages will be the same https://gist.github.com/DriesS/4968882
[21:49] <AxonetBE> bekks: there is mentioned that there was critical error and that the update was finished but not succesful
[21:49] <bekks> AxonetBE: Whats the output of "lsb_release -a" now?
[21:49] <bekks> AxonetBE: Put it in a pastebin please.
[21:49] <c4nuck> Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/' not found - ignoring
[21:49] <c4nuck> Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/' not found - ignoring
[21:49] <c4nuck> those are the only two errors at all in the .log
[21:50] <c4nuck> anybody?
[21:50] <AxonetBE> bekks: http://pastebin.com/HgLQMMTT
[21:52] <k1l> AxonetBE: did you install some ruby (or other stuff) that comes not from the official repos?
[21:52] <AxonetBE> k1l: yes this is possible, it is already year ago that I did something on this server.
[21:53] <k1l> AxonetBE: your ruby packages seem to be a mess.
[21:53] <AxonetBE> k1l: and how can I solve this?
[21:53] <k1l> the ri1.8 package wants a newer package than its in the official repos
[21:54] <AxonetBE> can I easily remove this and will solve it the problem?
[21:56] <AxonetBE> k1l: because when I want to remove this packages I got this http://pastebin.com/kwjidcKA
[21:56] <BluesKaj> c4nuck, are you installing the tightvncclient or the server ?
[21:57] <k1l> AxonetBE: im not sure if removing that package will break some other things of your setup. but that is what i would try. make sure the system got a backup
[21:57] <AxonetBE> k1l: but it is not possible, see the pastebin
[21:58] <k1l> AxonetBE: try a apt-get -f install
[21:59] <vifanq> How to check from which package is /usr/bin/somefile ?
[22:01] <Kireji> I'm looking to buy a top of the line laptop (someone else is paying) that runs 12.10 - what manufacturers have the best support and functionality with ubuntu?
[22:02] <Kireji> the Dell xps13 developer laptop looks great, but it's a 13in screen, and a not-so-functional video card
[22:02] <BluesKaj> Kireji, system 76
[22:02] <Guest67044> i would build my own
[22:02] <Kireji> Guest67044: a laptop?
[22:02] <Guest67044> yep
[22:03] <Kireji> BluesKaj: googling
[22:03] <k1l> !rootirc | Guest67044
[22:04] <Guest67044> buy a laptop case to be able to host a mitx card and a i3 or i5 quadcore
[22:04] <Kireji> BluesKaj: have you used a system 76 laptop?  what's your experince?
[22:04] <OerHeks> vifanq, dpkg -S /usr/bin/somefile
[22:04] <Guest67044> gl hf ;)
[22:05] <luminous> how do you get more info out of upstart when a job fails to start?
[22:05] <chisle> does system 76 optain the chasis from a OEM and if so who?
[22:05] <chisle> obtain
[22:05] <BluesKaj> Kireji, no i haven't , but I've seen good reports ...they aren't  available everywhere afaik
[22:05] <AxonetBE> k1l: that fails also http://pastebin.com/At47KTge
[22:06] <BluesKaj> chisle, Kireji https://www.system76.com/laptops
[22:07] <passion> Hello
[22:07] <k1l> AxonetBE: erm, what command caused that? and yould you pastbinit your "/etc/apt/sources.list"?
[22:07] <passion> I want to put ubuntu on my mac can I?
[22:08] <c4nuck> nobody here is able to help me with my tightvnc problem ?
[22:08] <ThinkT510> !mac | passion
[22:08] <WeThePeople> passion, yes
[22:08] <chisle> BluesKaj:  I am considering a System 76 purchase within a month and have browsed their site.  However I was jsut wondering if they simply confugured and rebadged another manufacturers machine.
[22:09] <WeThePeople> passion, osx is modeled after linux
[22:09] <bekks> WeThePeople: Thats nonsense.
[22:09] <WeThePeople> bekks, iirc
[22:09] <bekks> WeThePeople: OSX is a UNIX derivate, while Linux isnt.
[22:09] <AxonetBE> k1l: http://pastebin.com/fmiUfT8V and the command that was causing this was apt-get -f install
[22:09] <bekks> WeThePeople: You remember something pretty wrong.
[22:09] <WeThePeople> bekks, ok, you done correcting me??
[22:10] <k1l> AxonetBE: thats the problem. you got debian repos in your sources.list
[22:10] <bekks> WeThePeople: We'll see. :)
[22:10] <unheeding> *are you done correcting me
[22:10] <WeThePeople> lulzz
[22:10] <WeThePeople> you forgot the period
[22:10] <WeThePeople> Ha
[22:11] <k1l> AxonetBE: remove them. make the precise to lucid and try the "apt-get update &&apt-get dist-upgrade" after that do the "do-release-upgrade"
[22:11] <AxonetBE> k1l: I put them because in the previous error they said to add the lenny repos
[22:12] <passion> So is there even an advantage of having a ubuntu on OSX (both being unix derivitave)
[22:12] <passion> since Mac OS X is the more pretty and polished system?
[22:12] <bekks> passion: Linux is NOT an UNIX derivate.
[22:12] <nydel> is anyone savvy around? i need some real help over an interrupted upgrade's aftermath. look at my pastebin please, anybody, i have no idea what to do from here...  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1666244/
[22:12] <bekks> passion: It never was, it never will be.
[22:12] <passion> Oh
[22:13] <passion> You can put a lot of the same linux program on mac though unlike Windows
[22:13] <k1l> passion: its your choice which OS you want to use on your hardware. if you want ubuntu try to install it
[22:13] <nydel> bekks: it's somewhat silly to say that to someone who knows it's true, but so very necessary a distinction to point out to those who see the two as the same ;)
[22:13] <nydel> passion: do you ever write your own programs?
[22:14] <bekks> nydel: I said it to someone who didnt know it.
[22:14] <passion> I guess that would be the downside is that OSX is more costly.. but you can install most Linux apps (i think through macports)???
[22:14] <passion> I am planning untu
[22:14] <k1l> passion: and for macOS support see their support :)
[22:14] <passion> My whole goal is to write my own programs
[22:14] <passion> yes
[22:15] <nydel> bekks: i know, i meant to be agreeable & playful..i meant 'you are right & i know just what you mean' but tried to say it in a funny way. not very on today, apologies
[22:15] <passion> I did notice that linux out of the box seemed to be better for app development
[22:15] <Kireji> does anyone have personal experience with system76 laptops?
[22:16] <gueriLLaPunK> where do i save this cron script and what do i name it? ubuntu 12.04
[22:16] <gueriLLaPunK> http://forums.rutorrent.org/index.php?topic=1442.0
[22:16] <nydel> passion: do you simply enjoy writing, or do you have an end in mind, a program you want to make then stop, that is
[22:16] <Kireji> reliability, construciton quality, ubuntu feature support, hardware compatibility?
[22:16] <passion> I just don't see me running it virtualized... it will squeeze up all my memory.  I would use linux prob the main CPU if I could somehow run it aside my Mac/Win setup
[22:17] <passion> I want to learn more html 5 / css and then maybe python.  I want to create web and mobile apps.  I want ot build my own niche social network.
[22:17] <nydel> passion: for what do you require an operating system other than ubuntu? if anything/s in particular?
[22:17] <bekks> passion: Install vbox and just dont use all your memory by simply not assigning ALL RAM to the vm.
[22:17] <chisle> Kireji:  I'm interested in System 76 also, more specifically thoer battery life
[22:17] <passion> I mean finish learning html5/CSS then master javascript and add a serverside lanauage.
[22:18] <nydel> passion: throw out javascript and learn Perl first
[22:18] <passion> I have VMware fusion would that be better?  I was under the impression virtualbox was dated
[22:18] <k1l> passion: i dont see a technical ubuntu issue in your programming career :)
[22:18] <nydel> bekks: could you look at my pastebin & see if you have any ideas for me? i am desperate & i bet you know a lot more than i.
[22:18] <passion> perl for web / mobile apps?
[22:18] <passion> I don't know much about perl
[22:19] <BluesKaj> chisle, Kireji , here's a review , and it appears these pcs and laptops are built by an OEM to system 76 specs , not dell oe some such with ubuntu installed by a techie.
[22:19] <bekks> nydel: Line 12 of your paste :)
[22:19] <BluesKaj> https://www.system76.com/laptops
[22:20] <mynick13> anybody running an ubuntu guest in virtualbox under win8?
[22:20] <BluesKaj> chisle, , Kireji http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/the-system76-gazelle-professional-just-how-good-is-it-review
[22:20] <bekks> !anyone > mynick13
[22:20] <PuFFs> Is there a way to setup a location on a second drive for a user if it not home for like FTP?
[22:20] <passion> I want to create my own community with groups and what not - sort of like a social network like FB but on a micro scale - I don't know where to start really except with the basics.  I might hire my own programmers but I don't have more than $800 to spend.
[22:20] <chisle> BluesKaj:  thanks for the link
[22:20] <k1l> !ot | passion
[22:20] <passion> And I want it to be built from all open source
[22:21] <passion> so I own and control where the proj is headed.
[22:21] <nydel> bekks: i see that's where it goes downhill.. but i don't know exactly what to do with it, could you get me started?
[22:21] <passion> I don't know if I should learn to code in Linux or stay with Mac
[22:21] <chisle> BluesKaj:  that looks like a Sony chasis
[22:21] <Joel__> God damn it ubuntu, why you no work for me
[22:22] <mynick13> my question would be, why does my ubuntu install crash at the very end?
[22:22] <bekks> nydel: Did you try sudo apt-get -f install ?
[22:23] <bekks> mynick13: Whats the error message you get?
[22:23] <passion> Im confused too as all the opensource editors for Linux are for Mac too- But I kind of want to force myself to learn linux because if I get a job doing computer that one more marketable skills I think?
[22:23] <mynick13> just virtualbox has crashed
[22:23] <BluesKaj> chisle, no idea , never owned a sony ...did some research but couldn't find much the actual manufacturer
[22:23] <Joel__> When I start ubuntu all I get  is a black or purple screen, any ideas? It worked just fine until I restarted it after instalation
[22:23] <dniw> hey how do i install ubuntu on a macbook pro4,1 when i don't have a dvd drive? i have an external dvd drive, i also have a flash drive, i downloaded the mini.iso but when i plug it in refit kicks back an error about EFI something and that macs don't usually support booting from flash drives
[22:24] <nydel> bekks: yessir i did. that's about the time i get a hang on the update-initramfs command
[22:24] <k1l> Joel__: install the driver for your video card?
[22:24] <mynick13> ubuntu is there, it will work, but you have to change the boot sequence in the vm
[22:24] <Joel__> k1l: I think I did that. I am not entirely sure. Tried some lines to install fglxr or something like that. No luck.
[22:24] <nydel> passion: as you learn to program, you will appreciate open source more and more, and if you get good, you will find closed-source to be a ridiculous concept. at that point you will either stay with linux or switch to linux.
[22:25] <mynick13> if it boots with cd/dvd it will start like a live disk
[22:25] <gueriLLaPunK> where do i save this cron script and what do i name it? ubuntu 12.04
[22:25] <gueriLLaPunK> http://forums.rutorrent.org/index.php?topic=1442.0
[22:25] <mynick13> if it boots from the 'hard drive' it will boot into the installation
[22:26] <Joel__> k1l: I dont even know the command to install the drivers. :(
[22:26] <nydel> gueriLLaPunK: we prefer you to post to our pastebin at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[22:26] <nydel> gueriLLaPunK: i doubt anyone will click your link as it looks sketchy.
[22:26] <gueriLLaPunK> the rutorrent forums is sketcky? LOL
[22:26] <bekks> gueriLLaPunK: Thats not a cron script.
[22:26] <mynick13> so i'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this
[22:26] <gueriLLaPunK> if i was posting a bit.ly or something
[22:27] <gueriLLaPunK> bekks, what is it?
[22:27] <gueriLLaPunK> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1666355/
[22:27] <gueriLLaPunK> i just want to start rtorrent when my box boots up
[22:27] <bekks> gueriLLaPunK: Read the first line of the first post of the link you pasted :)
[22:27] <k1l> Joel__: "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and "sudo apt-get install fglrx"
[22:27] <gueriLLaPunK> oh an init script
[22:27] <gueriLLaPunK> ok, so... ummm where do i put it?
[22:27] <gueriLLaPunK> and what do i save it as?
[22:28] <Joel__> k1l: I'll write those down and give them a go.
[22:30] <nydel> bekks: no ideas for how i can proceed?
[22:31] <bekks> nydel: You could try to remove that file found at /var/...
[22:31] <chisle> BluesKaj:  I am running 12.04 on a Sony now, works just baout flawless.  BUt, my power connecter is getting tempermental after 3 yrs.  I only need windows for a couple time a year Blackberry update.
[22:31] <gueriLLaPunK> if i use the dtach -n command i want to view the program i detached, how do i go about thjat?
[22:31] <nydel> bekks: good idea i'll try
[22:33] <Tatuus> Out of curiosity, how can this be? Ubuntu nor Windows does NOT recognize DVD's in DVD-RW drive... CD's.. Yes. Also on boot, no DVD discs are even "checked", but CD's are...
[22:33] <gueriLLaPunK> nevermind
[22:34] <ldiamond> Hi
[22:35] <Tatuus> I have settled with a thought, that there is something wrong with hardware... but how can this be
[22:35] <ldiamond> nVidia drivers 304.XX + causes my main monitor to flicker like crazy
[22:35] <roothorick> I need 3.7 kernel because of a critical fix in nouveau... what's the best way to do that on quantal?
[22:35] <ldiamond> almost unable to read any text
[22:35] <ldiamond> Anyone have an idea how to fix? (obviously reverting to 295.XX, but I need 304.22+)
[22:36] <k1l> ldiamond: try the 310 nvidia driver from the repos?
[22:36] <ldiamond> k1 nvidia-experimental?
[22:36] <ldiamond> it has the same issue I'm afraid :(
[22:36] <roothorick> what GPU?
[22:36] <roothorick> if it's nv4* (GeForce 6xxx, 7xxx) or earlier you REALLY REALLY should be using nouveau
[22:38] <xkernel> I followed this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SnortIDS to but Snort is not capturing any port scans
[22:39] <Tatuus> does Linux world still have as bad problems with Nvidia hardware, as it did at the time Torvalds gave a finger to them?
[22:39] <roothorick> Tatuus: graphics drivers have always been a slow motion trainwreck, regardless of your hardware
[22:39] <nydel> bekks: that seems to have worked, but, next i get stuck here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1666464/
[22:39] <nydel> it just hangs there overnight
[22:39] <roothorick> Tatuus: nouveau has improved a lot, it's faster than the blob on older GPUs (nv4*)
[22:40] <escott> Tatuus, that was only 6 months ago
[22:40] <k1l> Tatuus: depends on your video card. im fine with my nvidia card and the drivers
[22:40] <Tatuus> i gotta check you this nouveau thingy
[22:40] <ldiamond> roothorick, it's a GTS 250
[22:40] <ldiamond> roothorick, I can't use nouveau cause I need 3D acceleration
[22:40] <bekks> nydel: I dont see an error there.
[22:40] <ldiamond> and I think overriding the refresh rate fixed it
[22:40] <ldiamond> I'll update the driver again
[22:40] <Tatuus> i had Nvidia beforem now ATI... i think this works lot better
[22:40] <nydel> bekks: the last line sticks forever
[22:41] <roothorick> ldiamond: nouveau has experimental 3D support that works quite well for old stuff but yeah, that's a bit too new
[22:41] <bekks> nydel: How long did you wait?
[22:41] <ldiamond> and I want to play counter-strike, on steam, which requires 304.22
[22:41] <ldiamond> or newer
[22:41] <nydel> bekks: 48 hours
[22:41] <ldiamond> cause COUNTER-STRIKE IS NOW ON LINUX!!! :)
[22:41] <pushpop> whats the best software out atm to image a linux computer?
[22:41] <escott> !best | pushpop
[22:41] <k1l> pushpop: dd
[22:41] <ldiamond> pushpop, "image"?
[22:41] <rayston> heya all, whats the easiest way to figure out if my DVD Burner is capable of burning dual layer DVD's?
[22:42] <jirido> I cant find any channel for networkmanager on freenode so i just wana ask if someone know where they reside
[22:42] <nydel> bekks: i've been told that command can take a while but i struggle to think it needs 48 hours to do anything probably, yeah?
[22:42] <pushpop> yes I need to make an exact replica of a HD with ubnuntu installed
[22:42] <bekks> nydel: It may take some minutes.
[22:42] <ldiamond> pushpop, use dd
[22:42] <Tatuus> "The Cave" is what i'm awaiting... Will be for Linux
[22:42] <pushpop> googling dd
[22:42] <Tatuus> Ron Gilbert game
[22:42] <ldiamond> pushpop, if the drive has failed / is failing, use ddrescue
[22:42] <ldiamond> the GNU version
[22:42] <escott> pushpop, cat is faster than dd
[22:43] <ldiamond> escott, cat != dd
[22:43] <nydel> bekks: any idea what could be causing it to stick there, assuming i'm not just impatient?
[22:43] <ldiamond> I wouldn't trust cat replicating my hdd
[22:44] <pushpop> here is the catch we are a windows house.  We have researchers who use ubuntu and they are up to no good.  Our security dept needs to see what is in the hd of the ubuntu box.  So we'll have no account on the box but need to see the data
[22:44] <bekks> nydel: You would have to check the logs.
[22:44] <Tatuus> Steam or other gaming issues, i think will be much bettered on Ubuntu 13.04... (?)
[22:44] <techkid6> I'm in a bit of a prediciment, my Windows PC crashed, and I booted into Ubuntu via a flash drive in an attempt to back up some of the data on my HDD, problem is, it won't mount my HDD for me to open it.... any way to mount it?
[22:44] <escott> techkid6, you need a windows rescue disk
[22:44] <ldiamond> pushpop, do take a look at the SMART data of the drives first. If the source drive has issues, bad sectors, etc, use ddrescue
[22:45] <ldiamond> techkid6, any error message?
[22:45] <ldiamond> Maybe you just need to install the ntfs package
[22:45] <roothorick> ldiamond: live environment...
[22:46] <Tatuus> techkid... try Very Small Linux to save your data via usb ?
[22:46] <techkid6> Adding read ACL for UID 999 to 'media/ubuntu' failed: Operation not supported
[22:46] <roothorick> techkid6: I would take the HDD out and plug it into a working system. Even if it's linux, because then you can install ntfs-3g
[22:46] <pushpop> ldiamond - did I mention I dont have a account on the box I need to create a copy of?
[22:46] <nydel> thanks for all the help bekks, i appreciate it.
[22:46] <ldiamond> pushpop, what do you mean?
[22:47] <escott> pushpop, doesn't make a difference as you can't image an active disk
[22:47] <ldiamond> pushpop, dd can take your drive and make a perfect bit copy of it
[22:47] <techkid6> Could I put it in another laptop? I am terrible with Hard Ware
[22:47] <roothorick> pushpop: you could boot from a live USB and mount the partitions there, but if they're trying to hide something and they're smart they'll be using encrypted /home... in which case you'll have to compel them to give up their passwords
[22:47] <ldiamond> and as escott said, the drive should not be mounted
[22:47] <ldiamond> or at least in READ ONLY
[22:47] <pushpop> roothorick they aren't that smart
[22:47] <ldiamond> otherwise you'll have data that doesn't make sense
[22:48] <Cheta> hola
[22:48] <roothorick> pushpop: boot ubuntu from live USB, mount the HDD, poke around
[22:48] <ironbutt> I got a message saying "cannot send to channel: #ubuntu"
[22:48] <ldiamond> pushpop, what is your goal anyways?
[22:48] <ironbutt> how did you receive that message?
[22:48] <escott> pushpop, not you could, but you MUST boot from a live USB and NOT mount the partitions to make a low level copy
[22:48] <pushpop> ldiamond  I just need the data on the drives
[22:49] <Cheta> hello
[22:49] <pushpop> the people using this machine are up to no good
[22:49] <pushpop> security dept needs the data on the hd
[22:49] <ldiamond> the data is on the hdd.
[22:49] <ldiamond> what's the problem.
[22:49] <pushpop> yep haha
[22:49] <roothorick> pushpop: fyi encrypted /home is VERY easy on ubuntu... just check a box during user account creation... so there's a decent chance they're using it
[22:49] <techkid6> I /am/ booting from a live USB, I merely tried copying my workspace, downloads, and .minecraft folders to a flashdrive from my HDD
[22:49] <ldiamond> give them the hard drive.
[22:49] <ironbutt> anyway, I've got an issue with ubuntu and I am now going to proceed to describe the problem. First up, some background: I'm still a novice with linux and ubuntu, I m no longer a complete beginner but I'm still awkward with a command line and I generally don't get the linux way.
[22:50] <pushpop> roothorick I don't think they're using a recent version
[22:50] <pushpop> of ubuntu
[22:50] <Cheta> aha
[22:50] <techkid6> 12.10
[22:50] <ironbutt> so here's the problem: I installed Ubuntu 12.10 64 bit desktop yesterday, and the primary reason is so that I can try out the steam for linux. One problem, I can't figure out how to get my graphics card working correctly.\
[22:50] <ironbutt> my problem is: The driver from amd results in unity failing to load, and I do not want that to happen.
[22:50] <ironbutt> More information: My graphics card is an AMD Radeon HD 7970. The solutions I have seen are either for the hd 4000 and older (legacy) or max out at the 6000 series.
[22:50] <ironbutt> So that's it, any thoughts?
[22:50] <roothorick> pushpop: well you're not gonna get anywhere trying to break into the running system. Boot from a live USB or take the hard drive out and stuff it in an enclosure.
[22:52] <ttyX> You'll need to install proprietary driver
[22:52] <jakey1> hi is there the equivalent of xampp on ubuntu?
[22:52] <roothorick> ttyX: AMD has disowned the proprietary driver and are planning on dropping it if they haven't already...
[22:52] <ironbutt> I forgot to mention the problem?: I installed the proprietary driver, and unity fails to load
[22:52] <k1l> !xampp | jakey1
[22:53] <ironbutt> roothorick: AMD does not plan on dropping the proprietary driver.
[22:53] <roothorick> ironbutt: they've said it before, they want to focus on providing documentation to the DRI project in the hopes they can eventually put an end to fglrx
[22:53] <jakey1> k1l, Do they have the same qulities
[22:53] <jakey1> funtions
[22:54] <ttyX> That'd be good but it'll take time
[22:54] <roothorick> ironbutt: they're a long way off from that goal though
[22:54] <ironbutt> roothorick: I agree, but I can't find any information stating that the open source driver is even compatible with my graphics card.
[22:54] <k1l> jakey1: yes
[22:54] <ironbutt> when I open up my system details, I get Driver Unknown Exerpeicen Standard
[22:55] <ironbutt> and that was terrible typo
[22:55] <roothorick> ironbutt: they have a partially working driver for S.Islands but it's very incomplete
[22:56] <roothorick> ironbutt: looks like it'll work just fine as long as you don't do anything 3D
[22:56] <Cheta> hi. how should i do to chat in a chat in irc
[22:56] <ironbutt> well that kinda defeats the purpose, as I plan on using ubuntu for games (on steam) and blender
[22:56] <roothorick> ironbutt: if you want 3D well... fglrx. Don't remember the package name offhand.
[22:56] <ironbutt> I have the 13.2 beta driver currently downloaded
[22:57] <ironbutt> but the package I think is called fglrx or fglrx-updates depending on what I want
[22:57] <roothorick> ironbutt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[22:57] <ironbutt> The proble is it's not compatible with something and when I install it, unity breaks, so I get no interface.
[22:57] <ironbutt> I have to go control, alt, f1, log into that command prompt and uninstall fglrx and reboot
[22:57] <roothorick> ironbutt: I got rid of my 4850 back when I was still a gentoohead so I'm not gonna be a whole lot of use, all my systems are GeForce something-or-other now
[22:58] <thomas001> Hello, i try to build a kernel package on a 64bit x86 ubuntu for a 32bit ubuntu x86. the kernel build system allows this by simply adding ARCH=i386 as make option. but how to tell debian/rules to cross-compile?
[22:58] <ttyX> Who needs GUI CLI ftw
[22:58] <ironbutt> I'm NOT going to go onto a rant about the graphics card situation, that could take days, or weeks.
[22:58] <roothorick> ttyX: GUI tends to blow up. You use CLI to fix it.
[22:59] <roothorick> ttyX: also CLI is a LOT faster in experienced hands when doing things that can be batched or otherwise automated
[22:59] <ironbutt> anyway, I've given up with ubuntu in the past, but this time I'm going to stick with it for at least a month and try and get something out of it. Which means I'm going to be a pain to you guys in the irc
[22:59] <RiXtEr> roothorick, linux has a GUI?
[23:00] <bekks> RiXtEr: Sure. Various.
[23:00] <roothorick> RiXtEr: Linux itself no. Ubuntu certainly does. Multiple, even. Unity, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, XFCE... take your pick.
[23:00] <RiXtEr> bekks, I was joking ;)
[23:00] <ironbutt> this conversation is pointless
[23:00] <RiXtEr> I like my GNOME
[23:00] <roothorick> I'm a born-again GNOME loyalist personally
[23:00] <ironbutt> lol
[23:00] <roothorick> gnome-shell blew my socks off and I haven't looked back since
[23:00] <CanihoJR> +1 gnome +1 ubuntu gnome remix xD
[23:00] <roothorick> but I'm still on ubuntu because fedora is really shaky on desktop hardware
[23:01] <troyready> Does anyone know if there's a command line equivalent to the Software Sources driver selection for nvidia proprietary drivers in 12.10? I know the traditional thing to do is just to install the nvidia-current package, but it seems like the Software Sources driver selection does something a little different too to get the driver selected without editing xorg.conf?
[23:01] <CanihoJR> troyready, ubuntu 12.10?
[23:01] <ironbutt> I'll come back in 10 minutes and repeat my problem.
[23:01] <roothorick> ironbutt: no seriously, did you look at that guide I linked?
[23:01] <troyready> CanihoJR: yeah (now xubuntu specifically, but i think it's the same in this case)
[23:02] <ironbutt> roothorick: I've followed that guide, it doesn't mention how to fix the problem of unity blowing up
[23:02] <ironbutt> spent a good 6 or 7 hours yesterday
[23:02] <CanihoJR> troyready, now software driver seleccion as on config system-> software source-> hardware addittional
[23:02] <roothorick> ironbutt: did you boot into gnome classic and run glxinfo, to see if there's a driver issue?
[23:02] <roothorick> ironbutt: or unity2d or whatever
[23:03] <troyready> CanihoJR: thanks -- do you know if there's a command line way of doing that? I'm trying to script it up in Chef
[23:03] <roothorick> ironbutt: IIRC the driver will still run if there's a module issue but functionality is seriously gimped i.e. no 3D
[23:03] <ironbutt> I can run glxinfo in unity3d or whatever
[23:03] <CanihoJR> troyready, i try some days but i cant make same as this :/ soz :(
[23:03] <CanihoJR> only with gui
[23:04] <ironbutt> roothorick: I need 3D otherwise I may as well go back to windows
[23:05] <troyready> CanihoJR: appreciate your time; I haven't been able to find anything either, but was hoping there was something obvious I missed
[23:05] <Styler2go> Where i have to go to get help in setting up a SSL Certificate for my Apache2 on Ubuntu?
[23:06] <love>  Problem with recent update to libqtmultimedia5-dev in Raring.  I tried to update it and get a broken dependancy problem.  dpkg returns an error code.  so I have to use dpkg to remove ubuntu-sdk and the library package.  anyone else have this happen?
[23:06] <roothorick> ironbutt: if regular unity is booting fine there isn't a 3D problem. what exactly is it doing?
[23:06] <ironbutt> before I answer that question, how can I find out if the open source driver is installed and working?
[23:07] <k1l> !+1 | love
[23:07] <Styler2go> any idea?
[23:07] <k1l> !raring | love
[23:07] <roothorick> ironbutt: glxinfo will say something about Mesa/Gallium
[23:07] <love> I asked there... just thought I'd ask here too since no one has said anything... thanks
[23:08] <roothorick> ironbutt: if the fglrx driver is active glxinfo will show AMD/ATI as the vendor
[23:08] <datsmoida> is there a common maximum/ceiling on your bandwidth on a network that is reached momentarily when a program sends a request or something ?
[23:08] <love> k1l: i also tried the ubuntu-phone one I'll just wait
[23:08] <k1l> love: since its still in developing status stick to the +1 channel please.
[23:08] <love> k1l: you got it!
[23:08] <roothorick> datsmoida: not necessarily but the physical layer has a lot of leeway to do that kind of thing
[23:09] <roothorick> datsmoida: residential broadband modems tend to do exactly that as part of bandwidth allocation enforcement
[23:09] <ironbutt> roothorick: here's a pastebin of my glxinfo: http://pastebin.com/2VqDwXjf I'll try to make sense of it but if I could, I wouldn't be here :P
[23:10] <roothorick> ironbutt: you're running in a VM!
[23:10] <ironbutt> No, I am not
[23:10] <roothorick> ironbutt: then why is llvmpipe loaded?
[23:10] <ironbutt> I have no idea
[23:11] <ironbutt> this time I can say that and really mean it
[23:12] <Styler2go> can someone help me setting up ssl on my ubuntu apache2?
[23:13] <jukebox-zero> roothorick: I've been trying to troubleshoot a fglrx issue for a few hours now and my glxinfo also shows llvmpipe loading although I am not running a vm.
[23:14] <ironbutt> anyway as far as I can tell, the opensource driver is pretty crummy for anyone running HD 7000 series of graphics card, that includes me. So my only real option is for the proprietary driver, only problem: it doesn't work with a simple install... the whole unity blowing up thing...
[23:15] <redblacktree> I have had a chef recipe working for some time, but it is not receiving a 404 for this URL: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/postgresql-9.1/postgresql-9.1_9.1.5-0ubuntu12.04_amd64.deb
[23:15] <roothorick> ironbutt: there's something fussed with the driver... it may not even be running.
[23:15] <roothorick> ironbutt: does lsmod | grep fglrx show anything?
[23:15] <ironbutt> fglrx is not installed by the way
[23:15] <redblacktree> does anyone have a clue why that might be happening?  I'm a super-novice sysadmin, but this *used* to work
[23:16] <ironbutt> I had to uninstall it to get unity up and running again
[23:16] <redblacktree> now receiving*
[23:16] <roothorick> ironbutt: well that's your fisrt problem :P
[23:16] <roothorick> first
[23:16] <roothorick> ironbutt: reinstall fglrx, go into unity2D to troubleshoot
[23:16] <ironbutt> My problem is, I can't install the fglrx driver, as it kills my interface, or my interface kills itself
[23:16] <k1l> redblacktree: sudo apt-get update
[23:17] <roothorick> ironbutt: do you get to the login screen?
[23:17] <ironbutt> I've since changed it, but to answer your question: yes. the login screen renders correctly with fglrx installed.
[23:17] <ironbutt> after logging in, all I get is a mouse cursor and a background.
[23:17] <roothorick> ironbutt: then login using unity2d instead of unity.
[23:18] <ironbutt> I have it set now to auto log in
[23:18] <ironbutt> as I completely broke my install yesterday trying to fix this so yeah...
[23:18] <ironbutt> (I broke my main partition which had encryption on it so I couldn't use gparted to check it and... bad stuff happened)
[23:18] <MadKaw> ironbutt: what card do you have/
[23:18] <jakey1> my terminal is not wraping anymore
[23:18] <ironbutt> AMD HD 7000 series, do you need to know the specific model?
[23:19] <jakey1> How do you make the terminal wrap text
[23:19] <ironbutt> oh and roothorick: while I won't say this much, I do appreciate your help.
[23:20] <MadKaw> I'm working on the same issue - with an HD7640.
[23:20] <ironbutt> yeah, I think the problem is that the open source driver doesn't support anything abovethe HD 6000 series
[23:20] <roothorick> after you install fglrx, if you can't get into unity, use the menu to boot into unity2d instead
[23:20] <roothorick> and do troubleshooting there
[23:20] <MadKaw> Have you tried the beta fglrx? I have gotten that closer to working than anything else.
[23:20] <ironbutt> and the fglrx driver from amd doesn't like the current thing with ubuntu
[23:21] <roothorick> ironbutt: you haven't even verified you had it installed correctly!
[23:21] <ironbutt> I have, I got a big "FOR TESTING PURPOSES ONLY" watermark down the bottom, but that was the only change from the non beta
[23:21] <Toggi3> Hello everyone.  Would anyone with experience in openvswitch be willing to help me troubleshoot why after following a guide, this guide http://blog.scottlowe.org/2012/08/17/installing-kvm-and-open-vswitch-on-ubuntu/ that I might not have network connectivity the instant I created the bridge?
[23:21] <roothorick> ironbutt: let me know when you're sitting in unity2d with fglrx installed
[23:22] <ironbutt> fine, I'll be abck in an hour. How do I get into unity2D when I don't have a log in screen?
[23:22] <roothorick> ironbutt: disable autologin?
[23:22] <ironbutt> simple asnwer is I can set up to get a log in screen but arawgawgagwag... oh, here's a question
[23:22] <ironbutt> how do i check if unity2d is available before I do that
[23:22] <roothorick> ironbutt: it should already be installed
[23:22] <roothorick> ironbutt: worst case you can VT-switch and install it from CLI
[23:23] <sampson623> Hi guys, I need a little help here...
[23:23] <ironbutt> alright I'
[23:23] <ironbutt> ll be back
[23:23] <zimbra_user> how to use
[23:23] <zimbra_user> lsof -i
[23:24] <sampson623> So I'm using windows 8 and I tried to install ubuntu on it. I got to the boot screen and it asked if I wanted to use windows 8 or ubuntu
[23:24] <sampson623> Of course I picked ubuntu and then it says I'm missing wubildr.mbr
[23:24] <sampson623> How can I fix this?
[23:24] <larst> hi
[23:24] <logavanc> !patience
[23:25] <larst> i want to ask if it is good to use gnome shell with ubuntu 12.10
[23:25] <ironbutt_> alright I'm back: first problem: there was zero option anywhere to change which interface I was using... my guess is unity2d isn't installed.
[23:25] <ironbutt_> what's the command I need to install that?
[23:25] <logavanc> larst, I use it.  Works good for me.
[23:25] <k1l> larst: how should that be good or not good?
[23:26] <roothorick> ironbutt: I haven't used standard ubuntu since 12.04 was first released but I distinctly remember a gear to click on while entering password
[23:26] <larst> k1l,  I mean because of conflits with Unity
[23:26] <k1l> sampson623: wubi is hard to support. i would recommmend to to a real install instead of wubi (and dont know how to fix wubi)
[23:26] <ironbutt_> a gear you say
[23:26] <ironbutt_> be right back
[23:26] <larst> logavanc, will you continue to do it wikth 13.04?
[23:26] <k1l> larst: the gnome-shell from the ubuntu repos doesnt have conflicts
[23:26] <larst> with
[23:26] <sampson623> k1l: can you supply me with a link to a real install?
[23:26] <k1l> !install | sampson623
[23:27] <roothorick> larst: if you're installing a fresh system I recommend using the GNOME remix version
[23:27] <larst> k1l,  I use this PPA https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[23:27] <KeyboardNotFound> How to check which java version i have installed?
[23:27] <k1l> larst: then ask the PPA maintainers for support
[23:27] <ironbutt__> back again, nope, no gear.
[23:27] <logavanc> larst, Kinda... I grab the Ubuntu Gnome Remix distro.
[23:27] <k1l> that is not officially from ubuntu
[23:28] <larst> yes
[23:28] <fotanus> Hi... I'm trying to compile empathy from source without succcess. What I did: apt-get source empathy; apt-get buld-deps empathy; cd <empathy-dir>; ./configure; make
[23:28] <fotanus> I got Makefile:206: *** target pattern contains no `%'.  Stop.
[23:28] <larst> k1l, it's better to install gnome-shell on the original ubuntu than to use the remix yes?
[23:28] <fotanus> inside po dir
[23:28] <agu10^> there is a bug when running chrome under ubuntu 12.04. It asks for my password every time i run it!
[23:28] <k1l> larst: depends on what you want.
[23:29] <fotanus> is this the right channel for my issue? I couldn't find empathy channel
[23:30] <k1l> larst: if you use a PPA or a unsupported spinoff we cant support it here since we dont know what they changed
[23:30] <datsmoida> roothorick - yeah for example i noticed that in iftop running the same program on my pc connected to broadband vs on a vps my pc seems to spike up to over 2.5Mb but my VPS never does
[23:30] <fotanus> the Makefile in case anyone is wondering... http://pastebin.com/7mxSdQGD
[23:30] <datsmoida> it only spikes up to like 1.3MB
[23:30] <datsmoida> *Mb
[23:30] <agu10^> there is a bug when running chrome under ubuntu 12.04. It asks for my password every time i run it!
[23:31] <agu10^> "Unlock login keyring"
[23:31] <k1l> agu10^: you have autologin to the desktop?
[23:32] <ironbutt> hello
[23:32] <agu10^> hi!
[23:32] <ironbutt> Ok, I am back, there is zero gear icon on login.
[23:32] <agu10^> k1l, yes
[23:32] <k1l> agu10^: that is the cause.
[23:32] <KeyboardNotFound> How to check which java version i have installed?
[23:32] <agu10^> how do i disable it then?
[23:33] <fotanus> KeyboardNotFound: java -version
[23:33] <k1l> chrome wants to login to google (or smth else) and needs the passwords from the keyring from that (which doesnt get opend when its autologin)
[23:33] <ironbutt> I would have thought it would have been java --version
[23:33] <fotanus> it is one dash, not two
[23:33] <KeyboardNotFound> fotanus: Thank you
[23:33] <fotanus> java don't like standards, except by its own
[23:33]  * ironbutt brains himself
[23:33] <fotanus> np
[23:34] <fotanus> anyone can point me out the right place to ask about empathy development?
[23:34] <Rallias> Is there a program like netcat I can use to accept a TCP stream from multiple servers and dump it all into one file?
[23:34] <roothorick> ironbutt: I have no idea, I guess they changed it AGAIN. Go back there and click on things until you get a session menu.
[23:34] <ironbutt> There is nothing else to click on, I have clicked on everything visible.
[23:35] <k1l> !alis | fotanus
[23:35] <ironbutt> I guess I'm just gonna sit here for a few minutes while I decide what to try next
[23:35] <fotanus> ty
[23:35] <roothorick> ironbutt: if you were running gnome remix I'd know exactly what to do and when, but unity is utterly toxic to me
[23:36] <ironbutt> if I install remix, would that install a tonne of new stuff or just the gnome interface?
[23:36] <jakey1> I have installed the lamp, how do I get the php working with my lamp
[23:36] <jakey1> I have a php file but how do I get it to run from my browser
[23:36] <ironbutt> p stands for php I think
[23:36] <roothorick> ironbutt: I don't think you can convert a standard install to gnome remix... I think you have to start fresh
[23:37] <ironbutt> I know I can do something like sudo apt-get install ubuntu-studio and it then installs ubuntu studio
[23:37] <ironbutt> but unless I know the exact command, I can't exactly(geddit?) type it in.
[23:38] <trism> roothorick: sure you can: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10#Upgrade
[23:38] <roothorick> ironbutt: yeah but gnome remix has a different desktop setup, a different DM, changes a lot of stuff
[23:38] <ironbutt> what's a DM
[23:38] <ironbutt> dungeon master?
[23:38] <k1l> why change to gnome-remix ?
[23:38] <roothorick> ironbutt: desktop manager. Basically login system.
[23:38] <roothorick> k1l: because unity is garbage next to gnome-shell
[23:39] <k1l> roothorick: :/
[23:39] <ironbutt> I don't think you can say that objectively
[23:40] <ironbutt> anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm getting VESA drivers bein used but well, actually I'm not sure
[23:40] <ironbutt> I think though
[23:40] <roothorick> ironbutt: true. but in my subjective experience gnome-shell is better in every way
[23:40] <ironbutt> are you using gnome 2 or gnome 3?
[23:41] <roothorick> ironbutt: it's gnome 3. if you want to try it see trism's link
[23:41] <ironbutt> I've already tried it
[23:41] <ironbutt> with fedora
[23:41] <roothorick> I tried fedora for a few days. The underlying OS just couldn't figure out my hardware.
[23:41] <ironbutt> didn't really like it all that much. But hey, if we all liked the same interface THERE WOULD BE ONLY ONE
[23:42] <roothorick> but you like *unity*?
[23:42] <ironbutt> well I'm not completely sure, at the moment it seems like it does what I want it to do
[23:42] <ironbutt> and it's fairly intuitive
[23:42] <ironbutt> but I can't be sure considering the fact that I haven't got any decent drivers for my graphics card
[23:42] <roothorick> okay, maybe it's improved since 12.04, but that kinda blows my mind
[23:43] <MiningMarsh> ironbutt: just do sudo lspci -k and see if your video card is using a vesa driver.
[23:43] <ironbutt> and everything is laaaggyyy
[23:43] <ironbutt> MiningMarsh: will do
[23:43] <roothorick> oh yeah forgot about lspci
[23:43] <MiningMarsh> ironbutt: its a root tool, forgot to put sudo ><
[23:43] <roothorick> MiningMarsh: lspci doesn't need root
[23:43] <MiningMarsh> roothorick: on my machine its in sbin.
[23:43] <ironbutt> WELL I DID IT AS ROOT ANYWAY
[23:44] <roothorick> MiningMarsh: that's not standard 12.10...
[23:44] <roothorick> ironbutt: under "VGA Controller" you should see "Kernel driver in use: fglrx" if you don't you've got problems
[23:44] <k1l> no need to be root
[23:44] <MiningMarsh> roothorick: I happen to be running gentoo, and just hopped on this cahnnel to see if I could randomly help someone. I am bored.
[23:44] <k1l> and no need for sudo with lspci
[23:44] <ironbutt> Kernel driver in use: radeon
[23:45] <ironbutt> I would guess that it's using open source driver then... or at least
[23:45] <roothorick> ironbutt: the opensource driver is still loaded
[23:45] <ironbutt> or at elast trying to
[23:46] <roothorick> ironbutt: 12.10, correct?
[23:46] <ironbutt> that's because unity doesn't load when fglrx is installed
[23:46] <ironbutt> yeah, 12.10
[23:46] <ironbutt> although I heard they introduced the same issue into 12.04
[23:46] <roothorick> ironbutt: do you have the AMD driver installed right now?
[23:47] <roothorick> ironbutt: as in did the apt-get stuff?
[23:47] <ironbutt> no, do you want me to install it? It's a bit of a waste of time.
[23:47] <ironbutt> I've installed it via creating packages from the downlaoded linux driver
[23:47] <roothorick> ironbutt: the only way you're getting 3D is with the proprietary driver. If you're THAT averse to it, have fun with your paradox.
[23:47] <ironbutt> I've installed it via apt-get install fglrx
[23:47] <ironbutt> and I've tried apt-get install fglrx-updates
[23:47] <jakey1> how do you uninstal a program in command line
[23:47] <ironbutt> I WANT THE PROPRIETARY DRIVER
[23:48] <ironbutt> my interface just doesn't load when it's installed, so I need to know how to muck around with my interface or the backend to get it working.
[23:48] <roothorick> ironbutt: so modprobe -l | grep fglrx shows the module?
[23:48] <labcoattech> hi all, could someone please help me install Radeon drivers for HD 6770, I have installed Ubuntu 12.10 x64, plus Steam and can not not get CS Source to launch
[23:48] <MiningMarsh> jakey1: sudo apt-get remove <package> (or sudo apt-get purge <package> if you want to remove its configuration files as well).
[23:48] <ironbutt> no, because fglrx is not currently uninstalled, I had to uninstall it to get an interface
[23:49] <jakey1> MiningMarsh, Ta
[23:49] <roothorick> ironbutt: ffs install it again
[23:49] <ironbutt> by interface I mean graphical user interface
[23:49] <roothorick> ironbutt: do you have a second system?
[23:49] <ironbutt> I do have a second system, you want me to irc in from that?
[23:49] <roothorick> ironbutt: you probably should
[23:49] <ironbutt> alright. Lemme get fuglyx installed
[23:49] <labcoattech> I've tried selecting proprietary from Software sources / Additional Drivers but it didn't work
[23:49] <ironbutt> fuglyrex
[23:51] <roothorick> labcoattech: didn't work how?
[23:51] <ironbutt> labcoattech: if i figure out my problems I'll try to help you with yours.
[23:51] <alexi_> My problem is similar to ironbutt's. Had fglrx installed previously. Most recent update appears to have broken it. Hangs on boot and seems to exit with an error from dmesg. Have to remove fglrx to boot generic driver in order to have a gui to trouble shoot. dmesg pastebin: http://pastebin.com/zHEr3KxU
[23:51] <innerpeas> g
[23:51] <ironbutt> I'm guessing he got the "it didn't work" problem, where it doesnt work
[23:51] <roothorick> wait a second
[23:51] <labcoattech> CS Source tries to launch but then crashes with out any error messages
[23:52] <k1l> ironbutt: headers installed?
[23:52] <roothorick> alexi_: post your Xorg.0.log from when X crashes
[23:52] <ironbutt> what headers?
[23:52] <labcoattech> ironbutt: thanks
[23:52] <k1l> and have you got a log from the flgrx install attempts?
[23:52] <k1l> ironbutt: kernel headers
[23:53] <roothorick> alexi_: and you don't need a GUI to troubleshoot. Ctrl+Alt+F1...6
[23:53] <ironbutt> I don't know
[23:53] <k1l> i m sure  they are needed for isntalling the drivers
[23:53] <ironbutt> I'm just going to waste a bit of time attempting to install the drivers again
[23:53] <ironbutt> kll, hold that thought, I'll be back in a little bit
[23:53] <roothorick> k1l: wouldn't apt pull them in?
[23:54] <k1l> roothorick: i think there was an issue/bug with it. so i would look out for that
[23:54] <Styler2go> Guys, can you please help me fast?
[23:54] <Styler2go> i want to convert a video using this command: ffmpeg -i "-PBWkNz-W6Y.mp4" -f mp3 -ab 192000 -vn "-PBWkNz-W6Y.mp3"
[23:54] <Styler2go> but it thinks, the last "-PBWkNz-W6Y.mp3" is another property
[23:55] <Styler2go> how can i stop him from thinking that?
[23:55] <roothorick> Styler2go: put a -- before it?
[23:55] <Styler2go> but it will save the file with a -- then, or?
[23:55] <alexi_> roothorick yes, I am able to make a lot of use out of the ttys, but my knowledge isn't extensive enough to accomplish a whole lot of usefulness. the gui is useful for being able to google for similar issues. Although i do have elinks installed for tty use. I'll fetch a Xorg.0.log
[23:55] <roothorick> Styler2go: -- is the standard "no more arguments past here" flag
[23:55] <Styler2go> -- is not working either
[23:56] <Styler2go> cd /var/www/apps/convert/ && ffmpeg -i "-PBWkNz-W6Y.mp4" -f mp3 -ab 192000 -vn "--PBWkNz-W6Y.mp3"
[23:56] <Styler2go> you meqan this was?
[23:56] <roothorick> Styler2go: no. -- "-PBWkNz-W6Y.mp3"
[23:56] <jakey1> how do I get to my public hmtl in my lamp server
[23:56] <jakey1> ?
[23:56] <demonio> how can i connect with terminal to my wireless network?
[23:56] <roothorick> alexi_: remember, the log needs to be from when it actually stuffed up
[23:56] <Styler2go> still not working..
[23:57] <ironbutt_> hello
[23:57] <roothorick> Styler2go: dunno. Never used ffmpeg. You do know mp3 isn't a container, right?
[23:57] <Styler2go> and?
[23:57] <jakey1> how do I get to my public hmtl in my lamp server, anyone?
[23:57] <Ice_Strike> Does Ubuntu work well on Intel Atom N270 CPU?
[23:57] <Styler2go> the conversion is working fine
[23:57] <Styler2go> just the new "-" is making trouble
[23:57] <Ice_Strike> Processor speed 1.66GHz.  Intel Atom N270 CPU
[23:58] <Ice_Strike> Only 1GB DDR2 RAM
[23:58] <ironbutt_> I'm back, about to run fglrxinfo in the terminal inside of the broken interface
[23:58] <roothorick> Ice_Strike: CPUs are very very standard, they're never the problem
[23:58] <ironbutt_> X Error of failed request: BadRequest(invalid request code of no such operation)
[23:58] <Styler2go> no idea for me?
[23:58] <Styler2go> please :-/
[23:58] <roothorick> ironbutt_: what does lspci -k show?
[23:58] <Ice_Strike> Might install Ubuntu on Netbook (Intel Atom N270 CPU, 1GB DDR2 RAM)
[23:59] <k1l> Ice_Strike: you can try ubuntu, i have it on my netbook, too. or xou go with lubuntu which is sort of lighter
[23:59] <k1l> ironbutt_: you have the log from the installation of the fglrx?
[23:59] <roothorick> Ice_Strike: boot from a live USB and check it out, make sure everything's working, graphics, wireless etc
[23:59] <ironbutt_> driver modules: gone... it's not there anymore