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| xnox | stgraber: so I'm running upstart based session now and there are job conflicts. | 20:27 |
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| xnox | so there is upstart job to start gnome-settings-daemon but also gnome-session is starting an ubuntu session, which in turn also start gnome-settings-daemon | 20:28 |
| xnox | thus it means that if upstart job is quicker all is good, or in my case | 20:28 |
| xnox | where gnome-session was quicker, the upstart job was stuck respawning because the upstart's g-s-d could claim the bus name. | 20:29 |
| stgraber | xnox: right, in that case you need to kill the one from gnome-session | 20:29 |
| xnox | yeah. I see how you did not want to use a new session name (since nothing would work out of the box) | 20:30 |
| stgraber | xnox: I had that race happen less than 10% of the time here and there's little we can do in upstart until the desktop team changes gnome-session to stop spawning it | 20:30 |
| stgraber | yeah, I actually use a different name to trigger the upstart support, but then change the name half-way through xsession to avoid everything blowing up | 20:31 |
| stgraber | so yeah, no easy way not to have g-s-d spawned | 20:31 |
| stgraber | and g-s-d doesn't have a --replace or --kill option so I can get the upstart job to cleanup any existing one (as I'm doing with pulseaudio IIRC) | 20:32 |
| xnox | stgraber: well... =) we can prepend a new XDG_CONFIG_DIRS pointing to /usr/share/upstart/xdg/ where we drop the xdg overrides which disable things that are spawned by gnome-session | 20:32 |
| xnox | and then gnome-session will notice the override and not spawn g-s-d, yet we keep the same session name | 20:32 |
| * xnox takes a task to implement this | 20:33 | |
| stgraber | ah, I guess that'd be a reasonable workaround until we switch to upstart for good | 20:33 |
| xnox | and thus not requiring any changes in the packages. | 20:33 |
| xnox | stgraber: where is your integration branch? | 20:33 |
| xnox | also thanks to dbus logs I have a bug to file.... | 20:34 |
| stgraber | xnox: lp:~stgraber/ubuntu/raring/upstart/user-session-ppa | 20:36 |
| xnox | ok. | 20:36 |
| xnox | hmm..... ssh agent didn't work... | 20:37 |
| * xnox tries to find what sets XDG_CONFIG_DIRS and if gnome-session sets & overrides it, I may have a problem in my cunning plan | 20:59 | |
| xnox | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ awesome =) | 21:03 |
| xnox | well I'm currently abusing /usr/share/upstart/xdg for disabling. But I guess going in the future we will want /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntu-upstart/ to be added to the XDG_CONFIG_DIRS such that one can ship both | 21:08 |
| xnox | an upstart job and a .desktop autostart file | 21:08 |
| xnox | and then only the upstart job will be used during upstart session. | 21:09 |
| xnox | not sure how/if/when other DE will switch to upstart managed sessions. | 21:09 |
| xnox | compiz is being respun by gnome-session | 22:05 |
| xnox | but i'm not sure where/how we can override /usr/share/gnome/wm-properties/compiz.desktop | 22:05 |
| xnox | also /me is very confused about hidding jobs it needs type,name,exec to validate plus hidden to hide. | 22:05 |
| xnox | yet xdg autostart spec says only hidden key + matching file name is needed | 22:05 |
| xnox | *sigh | 22:05 |
| xnox | * | 22:06 |
| stgraber | I think we'll really need to spend a bit more time and just get rid of gnome-session earlier than first planned. That's the only way to get all the benefits and avoid the weird issues we're seeing currently | 22:28 |
| stgraber | I tried that the other day but for some reason I wasn't getting any of the indicators | 22:29 |
| stgraber | maybe the recent fixes for dbus and cwd improved that though. I'd have to try it again | 22:29 |
| stgraber | oh, and we'd need to implement the gnome-session dbus APIs then (for session logout at least) | 22:29 |
| xnox | hmm... and what about the rest of the /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop files shipped by the rest of the packages? | 22:36 |
| xnox | (i'm hoping not that many) | 22:36 |
| xnox | and other apps that self-drop ~/.config/autostart/ e.g. google-chrome, shutter and others/ | 22:36 |
| xnox | ? | 22:36 |
| xnox | upstart-xdg-autostart-bridge?! | 22:37 |
| stgraber | shouldn't be too hard to have an upstart job spawn those once and forget about them | 22:37 |
| xnox | or crazy hacks to make gnome-session check up with upstart and not start stuff spawned by upstart or make it ask upstart for a list of things it knowns | 22:38 |
| xnox | and only spawn the set that upstart didn't know about | 22:38 |
| xnox | that assumes, of course, matching and stable job names. | 22:38 |
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