[00:30] <Riddell> yofel: you may annoy us all you need to about that
[01:02] <Quintasan> christ
[01:03] <Quintasan> yofel: is it just me that flashplayer craps out on any video?
[01:03] <Quintasan> after the update
[01:03] <Quintasan> it stopped working
[01:03] <yofel> I still have the old one due to my weird setup here
[01:03] <yofel> but someone else said that too
[01:04] <Quintasan> christ
[01:22]  * JontheEchidna does the didn't apply updates dance
[01:25]  * Quintasan plays nope.avi and reinstalls os to raring
[01:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/673178/
[01:30] <Quintasan> this works
[01:30] <Quintasan> can I push it?
[01:43] <Quintasan> wait
[01:43] <Quintasan> actually there is a small change needed
[08:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: pong
[08:37] <shadeslayer> yofel_: damnit, we need a better workflow :|
[08:40] <smartboyhw> Hey shadeslayer 
[08:42] <shadeslayer> hi smartboyhw
[09:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:09] <smartboyhw> Hey lordievader 
[09:09] <lordievader> I going to be at my parents place this week, so I won't be online all that much this week.
[09:09] <smartboyhw> lordievader, oh....
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: yeah
[12:55] <apachelogger> so
[12:55] <apachelogger> see
[12:55] <apachelogger> you had to change the control to accomodate the broken sed
[12:55] <apachelogger> which is one of the reasons you are supposed to usse a place holder and not a broken sed script
[13:20] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kubuntu-logo.tar.xz
[13:20] <apachelogger> someone test plz
[13:24]  * smartboyhw is simply too sleepy to test
[13:32] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kubuntu-logo.tar.xz
[13:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: btw we also need something like http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/17/plasma-desktopUw1833.png for the cd 
[13:37] <sheytan> i will do it later :)
[13:37] <sheytan> btw, you send me what now?
[13:37] <sheytan> is it a ready theme?
[13:37] <apachelogger> also we still need to decide on what color to use for grub/cd/kubuntu-text splash/kubuntu-logo with broken driver
[13:38] <apachelogger> it is a theme with your graphics
[13:38] <apachelogger> that works(tm)
[13:39] <sheytan> i just need to replace the oryginal files in /lib/plymouth?
[13:39] <sheytan> or other way to install ir?
[13:39] <sheytan> it
[13:40] <apachelogger> replace
[13:40] <sheytan> ok
[13:44]  * sheytan is going to reboot
[13:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: my computer is too fast
[13:46] <apachelogger> lol
[13:46] <apachelogger> kdesudo kate /etc/init/lightdm.conf
[13:47] <apachelogger> somewhere in the middle it says
[13:47] <apachelogger> script
[13:47] <apachelogger>     if [ -n "$UPSTART_EVENTS" ]
[13:47] <apachelogger> turn that into
[13:47] <apachelogger> script
[13:47] <apachelogger>     sleep 5
[13:47] <apachelogger>     if [ -n "$UPSTART_EVENTS" ]
[13:47] <apachelogger> then save and try again
[13:48]  * smartboyhw almost want to call !paste for apachelogger 
[13:48] <apachelogger> it adds a 5 second sleep before lightdm which forces plymouth to stick around for that amount of time
[13:48] <sheytan> ok, brb
[13:50] <sheytan> apachelogger: it still show up the old theme
[13:50] <apachelogger> sudo update-initramfs -u
[13:54] <sheytan> apachelogger: in the kubuntu-logo.script L435 C33: Cannot increment/decrement non number objects
[13:54] <sheytan> but i saw it for few sec in the reboot process
[13:54] <apachelogger> that is not fatal
[13:54] <apachelogger> you should see the splash regardless
[13:54] <sheytan> i don.t just black screen
[13:56] <apachelogger> you probably have a broken driver then
[14:01] <sheytan> might be
[14:01] <sheytan> couse i' on optimus
[14:02] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you record a quick demo?
[14:03] <apachelogger> eh
[14:03] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get install plymouth-x11
[14:03] <sheytan> :D
[14:03] <apachelogger> sudo plymouthd; sudo plymouth --show-splash ; for ((I=0; I<10; I++)); do sudo plymouth --update=test$I ; sleep 1; done; sudo plymouth quit
[14:03] <sheytan> how come you know that stuff :D
[14:03] <sheytan> this is madness :D
[14:03] <smartboyhw>  sheytan +1
[14:04] <apachelogger> cuz I am not rebooting my machine all day long to test code changes?...
[14:04] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[14:05] <sheytan> :D
[14:05] <sheytan> ok
[14:05] <sheytan> works fine
[14:06] <sheytan> but i'm not happy with the background
[14:06] <sheytan> apachelogger: let's leave it just black
[14:06] <sheytan> and fade in ldm's bg
[14:06] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:06] <apachelogger> what kind of black
[14:07] <sheytan> #000000 :D
[14:07] <apachelogger> you sure?
[14:08] <sheytan> somehow
[14:08] <apachelogger> anyone got a somewhat recent kubuntu-dev-scripts package installed?
[14:08] <apachelogger> dev-tools even
[14:09] <sheytan> i got a notify about new release today morning ;D
[14:09] <sheytan> yes, i'm on 13.04
[14:09] <apachelogger> actually
[14:09] <apachelogger> nevermind
[14:09] <apachelogger> dont' need it :D
[14:10] <apachelogger> 000000 is r0g0b0 and 0 is pretty much the same regardless of whether you work on 0-1 or 0-255 values ^^
[14:10] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:10] <sheytan> apachelogger: you don't live in a basement, are you? :D
[14:11] <apachelogger> no
[14:11] <smartboyhw> lol\
[14:11] <sheytan> ok. that's good:D
[14:11]  * apachelogger doesn't understand the question tho
[14:11] <sheytan> but you're prietty good in this stiff :D
[14:11] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://paste.kde.org/673388/
[14:12] <apachelogger> replace your kubuntu-logo.script with that
[14:12] <apachelogger> should make the background 0000000
[14:13] <apachelogger> sheytan: fwiw, we could also go the ubuntu way... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4B7ZWQHqMpk/TMcEEwqP88I/AAAAAAAAAEc/uVUzQyc32Ik/s1600/boot1.png
[14:13] <apachelogger> except, drop the dots
[14:13] <apachelogger> and perhaps have the icon rotate slowl to indicate progress
[14:14] <apachelogger> (I fear people may start ranting if we go black&white without color...)
[14:15] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you make the 'kubuntu' text glow a progress of the boot?
[14:15] <apachelogger> ohm
[14:15] <apachelogger> I could
[14:15] <apachelogger> BUT
[14:16] <apachelogger> boto progress indication is *always* off
[14:17] <apachelogger> meaning we may know that boot is now 90% progressed, but those 90% mean nothing as the remaining 10% could take longer than the previous 90%
[14:17] <apachelogger> or perhaps I misunderstood how you intend this to work...
[14:18] <apachelogger> (I Imaging glow changing to lok weird btw)
[14:18] <apachelogger> *look
[14:19] <sheytan> was just a quick idea
[14:19] <sheytan> black looks ok
[14:19] <sheytan> but :D
[14:19] <sheytan> we almost there, still not happy with it
[14:20] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you make gadient bg?
[14:21] <sheytan> ok, i have to go for like and hour. be back soon ;)
[14:21] <apachelogger> yes, I can make a top-bottom gradient
[14:21] <apachelogger> and they look like crap :P
[14:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mmm ... doesn't transition into lightdm smoothly
[14:47] <shadeslayer> apart from that, everything is fine
[14:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[14:51] <apachelogger> use sane drivers maybe? :P
[14:52] <shadeslayer> intel!!!!
[14:52] <apachelogger> then I dunno
[14:53] <apachelogger> define no smooth transition
[14:53] <shadeslayer> the logo glows > towards the end the 4 dots appear > glow is stuck on one of the gears for about a minute > lightdm appears suddenly
[14:56] <apachelogger> bug #539723
[14:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lol?
[14:56] <apachelogger> seems like your lightdm is broken or something
[15:08] <shadeslayer> :/
[16:12] <yofel> shadeslayer: hard to say. What might need fixing is pull-lp-source not warning you of vcs information. apt-get source does that
[17:03] <apachelogger> sheytan: how about a very dark blue?
[17:04] <apachelogger> i.e. blackish blue
[17:04] <sheytan> apachelogger: try it ;)
[17:05] <apachelogger> better than black I think
[17:06] <apachelogger>     Window.SetBackgroundTopColor(0.0392, 0.0118, 0.0784);
[17:06] <apachelogger>     Window.SetBackgroundBottomColor(0.0392, 0.0118, 0.0784);
[17:06] <apachelogger> try that
[17:06] <apachelogger> perhaps even a bit lighter
[17:06] <apachelogger> a blue auberine it will be :S
[17:07]  * sheytan is trying new colors 
[17:07]  * apachelogger is all sad because there is a bug....
[17:07] <sheytan> what is it?
[17:11] <apachelogger> AHHH
[17:11] <apachelogger> I am actually too stupid to read codez today
[17:11] <sheytan> apachelogger: the background did not change or it is that dark blue that i don't see any difference :)
[17:12] <apachelogger> get a better screen? :P
[17:12] <apachelogger> note that the color is defined twice
[17:12] <apachelogger> you need to change the second
[17:12] <apachelogger> the first set is only for broken drivers
[17:13] <sheytan> i did
[17:13] <sheytan> http://www.linoob.com/wp-content/flagallery/elementaryos-installation/00bootsplash.png
[17:13] <sheytan> what about such background?
[17:13] <sheytan> lighter on top and a bit darker at the bottom
[17:14] <sheytan> that's why i asked for gradients
[17:14] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://moebuntu.web.fc2.com/img/splash/splash800.png i bet you made this one :D
[17:20] <apachelogger> as I said, we have no gradient control
[17:20] <apachelogger> what you can do is create a sparate black image which is part transparent
[17:20] <apachelogger> i.e. you make the gradient an own image
[17:21] <apachelogger> then we can place that image ontop of another image to create a gradient
[17:21] <sheytan> we can leave it without gradients. Can you make a color line with that gray ones?
[17:22] <apachelogger> the grey one has a pattern
[17:22] <apachelogger> you can do that yourself actually
[17:22] <sheytan> we don't need a pattern
[17:22] <sheytan> ill try
[17:23] <apachelogger> bzr co lp:kubuntu-dev-tools; cd kubuntu-dev-tools; bin/plymouth-rgb-normalizer R G B
[17:23] <apachelogger> R = red value of color, G = green...
[17:38] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:38] <apachelogger> our lucid logo svg is really weird
[17:38] <apachelogger> like REALLY weird
[17:42] <sheytan> why?
[17:45] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/17/plasma-desktopyB2086.png
[17:45] <apachelogger> sheytan: its using a different gear than our official gear svg
[17:46] <sheytan> you mean that when you move that blue dot in the middle the gear is not rounded in the inner part? :D
[17:47] <apachelogger> yes, excatly that
[17:52] <sheytan> i was fighting with it once
[17:52] <sheytan> but i don't have that file anymore ;/
[17:55] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:55] <apachelogger> simply use the one from /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/branding.svgz
[17:59] <sheytan> i will next time. Thanks :D
[18:04] <sheytan> apachelogger: Window.SetBackgroundTopColor(0.0878, 0.0878, 0.0878); what is the 0 for?
[18:08] <apachelogger> sheytan: plymouth defines colors between 0.0 and 1.0
[18:09] <sheytan> this is stupid :D
[18:11] <apachelogger> no
[18:11] <apachelogger> common practise
[18:13] <apachelogger> the prolem is that since HSV has radial and 0-255 components you can easily break stuff when API expects you to be always aware with which value type you are working
[18:13] <apachelogger> if however you always work with normalized values the chance of developers screwing up is decreased and also stuff is easier to read
[18:16] <sheytan> apachelogger: how do i enable back the background from file in the script?
[18:18] <apachelogger> /     background.tile = Tile();
[18:19] <apachelogger> till
[18:19] <apachelogger>  //     maxHeightSprites = maxHeight / background.tile.GetHeight();
[18:19] <apachelogger> and the loop starting at 
[18:19] <apachelogger>  //     for (wSprites = 0; wSprites <= maxWidthSprites; ++wSprites) {
[18:19] <apachelogger> uncomment the code
[18:23] <sheytan> apachelogger: so i have to uncomment the for(wSprites = 0...) too?
[18:23] <apachelogger> yep
[18:25] <sheytan> apachelogger: i used th gwenview background for the tile and removed the ring
[18:25] <sheytan> looks ok
[18:25] <sheytan> it doesn't blow my ass but looks ok :D
[18:27] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1169/snapshot17z.png
[18:35] <apachelogger> sheytan: didn't we have that earlier today?
[18:35] <apachelogger> like with your tile
[18:35] <sheytan> mine sucked
[18:35] <sheytan> this one looks better :D
[18:36] <apachelogger> yeah, still not good IMO
[18:37] <apachelogger> perhaps we should simply drop the rotation glow
[18:37] <apachelogger> instead make all 3 glow at once
[18:37]  * sheytan dont think is a good idea
[18:37] <sheytan> rotation looks somehow new
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ^
[18:38] <shadeslayer> I like the rotation
[18:39] <shadeslayer> don't drop it
[18:39] <shadeslayer> it's ... elegant and neat
[18:47] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-logo-rotate.mkv
[18:47] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8640/snapshot17.png
[18:49] <sheytan> apachelogger: how do i add the kubuntu text into the script?
[18:49] <apachelogger> you cannot
[18:49] <sheytan> why :(
[18:50] <apachelogger> cause it's complicated
[18:50] <apachelogger> well
[18:50] <apachelogger> technically you can for a quick demo
[18:50] <sheytan> i mean, i will make it an image
[18:53] <apachelogger> sheytan: 
[18:53] <apachelogger> find the following line
[18:53] <apachelogger> glow.bottom.sprite.SetOpacity(0.0);
[18:53] <apachelogger> below it add
[18:53] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/673508/
[18:54] <apachelogger> place the text in images/text.png
[18:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is any of this documented?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> or did you read the code /o\
[18:55] <apachelogger> did you not ask that question yesterday?
[18:55] <shadeslayer> no
[18:55] <shadeslayer> I asked you about inheritance stuff
[18:55] <apachelogger> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth/Scripts
[18:55] <apachelogger> someone also asked about the docs
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:56] <apachelogger> oh code fail
[18:56] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://paste.kde.org/673514/
[18:56] <apachelogger> that's better I think
[18:56] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7586/snapshot18b.png
[18:56] <sheytan> this one looks cool
[18:57] <apachelogger> you should totally not paste your entire screen
[18:58] <apachelogger> or not use imageshack
[18:58] <apachelogger> or perhaps both
[18:58] <sheytan> oh oh :D
[18:58] <sheytan> whole screen ok, but imageshack why?
[18:58] <apachelogger> slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ^
[18:58] <sheytan> no its not
[18:58] <apachelogger> slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[18:59] <shadeslayer> ^
[18:59] <sheytan> ITS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT :D
[18:59] <apachelogger> slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[18:59] <shadeslayer> ^
[18:59] <shadeslayer> and the chakra thing looks like they aped apple
[18:59] <apachelogger> nono
[18:59] <shadeslayer> looks nice though
[18:59] <apachelogger> their progress indicator looks like crap
[18:59] <apachelogger> apple would not have released that
[18:59] <shadeslayer> no
[18:59] <shadeslayer> really
[18:59] <shadeslayer> it
[19:00] <shadeslayer> it's almos the same
[19:00] <apachelogger> I know
[19:00] <apachelogger> loose the text and add a good looking indicator your booting osx
[19:00] <apachelogger> but that indicator there really looks a bit ewww
[19:00] <apachelogger> kinda like the kbusy thing in kdelibs
[19:00] <apachelogger> that's also scary and ugly and stuff
[19:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:04] <apachelogger> well I dunno what to do
[19:04] <apachelogger> agateau surely has nice ideas
[19:04] <apachelogger> but he refuses to share them with us
[19:05] <apachelogger> "Subject: Yann Spied vous a invité sur Dropbox"
[19:05] <apachelogger> google+ is quite spam machine
[19:05] <shadeslayer> we need to clone him and then genetically alter his brain in the process so that cloned agateau shares all his awesome ideas
[19:05] <shadeslayer> or maybe just get him to UDS and get him drunk
[19:06] <apachelogger> so... what do we think about the spinning circle thing?
[19:06] <apachelogger> I think that also looks excitingly weird
[19:06]  * apachelogger sad
[19:07] <sheytan> apachelogger: text doesnt work
[19:07] <apachelogger> define doesnt work
[19:07] <shadeslayer> I think the glowing works
[19:07] <sheytan> doesn't show up under the gears
[19:07] <shadeslayer> but the background is a bit crap
[19:07] <shadeslayer> could be made better
[19:08] <apachelogger> sheytan: does it show up at all?
[19:08] <sheytan> nope
[19:08] <apachelogger> you placed it in images/text.png?
[19:08] <sheytan> sure
[19:08] <apachelogger> lecrap
[19:11] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://paste.kde.org/673520/
[19:12] <sheytan> works (TM)
[19:13] <sheytan> and i think now we need to improve the background
[19:13] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/boot-glow-text.mkv
[19:13] <sheytan> imho text + rotation is ok
[19:13] <sheytan> yep
[19:13] <sheytan> looks way better now
[19:13] <sheytan> without the text it is kinda empty and sad
[19:14] <apachelogger> like on osx
[19:14] <apachelogger> trolololo
[19:14]  * apachelogger reboot
[19:14] <apachelogger> s
[19:15] <sheytan> apachelogger: well, osx is a different story :D
[19:16] <apachelogger> mhh, rotate version also looks kinda neat
[19:17] <apachelogger> logo is a bit too small right now, but otherwise also nice
[19:17] <apachelogger> neither of them makes me feel excited tho
[19:17] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:23] <apachelogger> wellz
[19:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: we still need to decide on colors........................................................
[19:24] <sheytan> apachelogger: we will if we will know the default ldm theme
[19:24] <apachelogger> all depends on lightdm? Oo
[19:24] <apachelogger> I think we are working on the wrong piece of artwork then....
[19:25]  * apachelogger ponders watching aseigo porn
[19:25] <sheytan> does he watch porn?
[19:26] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWIwcUYdg1M
[19:26] <apachelogger> TL;DW
[19:27] <sheytan> oh
[19:27] <sheytan> is this live?
[19:27] <apachelogger> this plymouth thing has terrible code
[19:27] <apachelogger> who wrote this codez
[19:27] <apachelogger> waaaah
[19:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanna rewrite the script? :P
[19:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: no
[19:28] <sheytan> apachelogger: which colors exactly  do ya mean?
[19:29] <apachelogger> background color, foreground color, text color
[19:29] <apachelogger> all others can be derived from those
[19:29]  * sheytan 's radich doesn' taste that good anymore these days
[19:31] <apachelogger> what do we need to get the lightdm stuff done?
[19:31] <sheytan> background #000 text #e7e foreground #6e7883
[19:31] <apachelogger> you are drunk
[19:31] <sheytan> apachelogger: first of all. Do we want users the Nuno's way or default way?
[19:31] <sheytan> i;m going to ;d
[19:31] <apachelogger> I dunno!
[19:32] <apachelogger> that's entirely an artistic fashion
[19:32] <apachelogger> s/fashion/decision
[19:32] <sheytan> the default way already works. The Nunos doesn't
[19:32] <apachelogger> it doesn't?
[19:32] <apachelogger> how so?
[19:32] <sheytan> i never saw it working
[19:32] <apachelogger> works
[19:32] <apachelogger> well
[19:33] <sheytan> and it's not ready yet i guess too
[19:33] <apachelogger> it is not a proper them eyet
[19:33] <apachelogger> but the animations and crap works
[19:33] <sheytan> apachelogger: got it somwhere?
[19:33] <apachelogger> yes, can't send you
[19:33] <sheytan> so i cannot work :)
[19:34] <apachelogger> what would you want to work on?
[19:34] <sheytan> i don't know how it behaves
[19:34] <apachelogger> exactly like the ubuntu thing
[19:34] <sheytan> can you make a screencast of it atleast?
[19:35] <sheytan> well
[19:35] <sheytan> but it wont be finished till april anyway when it's for 4.11
[19:35] <sheytan> can't we like change release month to fit with upstream? :D
[19:36] <apachelogger> don't see the problem?
[19:36] <apachelogger> also lightdm AFAIK is not part of the SC
[19:36] <sheytan> i feel wired not having a complete ldm theme and working on plymouth and grub
[19:39] <apachelogger> I do not care what gets done first
[19:39] <apachelogger> everything needs to get done before freeze though
[19:40] <apachelogger> quite frankly I'd start with grub
[19:40] <sheytan> but i can get my mind together to make all fit with each other
[19:40] <apachelogger> because we cannot have images there
[19:40] <apachelogger> then I'd go to plymouth because we cannot have scalable or high-res images there
[19:40] <apachelogger> and last I'd do lightdm because there we can pull out all the rubbish UI sugar anyone can think of
[19:40] <sheytan> for grub we only need colors, right?
[19:41] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:41] <apachelogger> alas, colors that fit in with plymouth and lightdm
[19:41] <sheytan> so fit them with the plymouth theme we just made
[19:41] <apachelogger> i.e. if your driver is super broken you get a plymouth that will have no more abilities than grub and therefore use exactly those colors
[19:42] <sheytan> make the bg black foreground a bit lighter and the text white
[19:42] <apachelogger> sheytan: each, which one did we just make...
[19:42] <apachelogger> I still think dark blue is the way to go
[19:42] <sheytan> i think this one http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8640/snapshot17.png
[19:42] <sheytan> please, no blue :)
[19:42] <sheytan> See how nice smile i do right now? :)
[19:43] <apachelogger> I did not say blue
[19:43] <apachelogger> I said dark blue
[19:43] <sheytan> :)
[19:43] <apachelogger> alas so dark that your bad screen will not make it seem blue at all...
[19:43] <apachelogger> anywho
[19:43] <sheytan> so what for? :D
[19:43] <apachelogger> because on my screen it looks ever so royal
[19:43] <sheytan> and i think that this pattern is ok
[19:44] <apachelogger> sheytan: I think that version you pasted needs a gradient
[19:45] <sheytan> gradient or pattern. While having a tile we cannot go with both
[19:45] <apachelogger> sure we can
[19:45] <apachelogger> top-down gradient
[19:46] <apachelogger> make an image with nothing but a gradient, something betwene 120 and 240px high
[19:46] <sheytan> you want to lay the gradient over the pattern?
[19:46] <apachelogger> black gradient start at top, gradient end at the bottom with 100% transparency
[19:46] <apachelogger> i.e. gradient from black to transparent
[19:46] <apachelogger> doesn't need to be wider than 200px 
[19:47] <apachelogger> then we simply put that ontop of the tiled background
[19:47] <apachelogger> stuck at the top of the screen repeated to the right
[19:47] <sheytan> you want the 100% trans at the top of the image or bottom?
[19:47] <apachelogger> that should work nicely
[19:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: bottom
[19:48] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/01u0v4
[19:48] <apachelogger> i.e. the end result in plymouth should be a very subtle gradient starting from the top, going down no more than 240px
[19:49] <sheytan> i cannot imagine it right now
[19:49] <sheytan> need a demo :D
[19:50] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/video.mkv
[19:53] <sheytan> apachelogger: it's nice. I like the ubuntu one too, but nuno's one need a frame over the avatars
[19:53] <sheytan> like you said
[19:54] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/17/plasma-desktopFv2114.png
[19:56] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you move it to the bottom?
[19:58] <apachelogger>  http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/17/plasma-desktopHZ2214.png
[19:59] <apachelogger> ah, sec
[19:59] <apachelogger> nah, should be fine
[20:00] <sheytan> i think it's ok
[20:01] <apachelogger> hm
[20:01] <apachelogger> no its broken
[20:01] <apachelogger> can't put at the bottom
[20:01] <apachelogger> plymouth is misbehaving
[20:02] <sheytan> leave it without/
[20:02] <sheytan> ?
[20:02] <apachelogger> that looks weird
[20:02] <apachelogger> I dunno
[20:02] <apachelogger> ask the mailing list
[20:02] <apachelogger> just throw up a couple of mocks and let them pick something
[20:03] <apachelogger> I think you are now aware what we can and cannot do :)
[20:04] <sheytan> yeah ;d
[20:04] <sheytan> anyway, we do the voting
[20:04]  * sheytan opens a bottle of wine
[20:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: order wine
[20:04]  * kubotu pours apachelogger a delicious glass from the channel's wine cellar.
[20:05] <apachelogger> :O
[20:05] <sheytan> nJoy :D
[20:06] <sheytan> apachelogger: what are those numbers in the left corner down/
[20:06] <sheytan> ?
[20:06] <apachelogger> debug
[20:06] <sheytan> ok
[20:07] <apachelogger> it's how you can see that the bottom alignment is somehow broken
[20:07] <apachelogger> the 4 should be way darker
[20:12] <sheytan> email sent
[20:27] <yofel> apachelogger: this is starting to look awesome :O
[20:44] <apachelogger> which one, lol? :P
[20:47] <yofel> 2nd one really. That rotating logo doesn't look bad, but I somehow can't get myself to like it
[20:47] <apachelogger> yofel: go look through the history... which version of the second ;)
[20:48] <yofel> apachelogger: second from the mail
[20:48] <yofel> though http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/17/plasma-desktopHZ2214.png looks best
[20:48] <yofel> but I'm not sure whether that background fits together with lightdm
[20:49] <apachelogger> can use the same for lightdm...
[20:49] <yofel> hm
[20:50] <apachelogger> actually that is the primary idea
[20:50] <yofel> yeah, that would be ok then
[20:50] <apachelogger> by having the same background we get a 100% smooth transition
[20:50] <apachelogger> as long as no resolution switch gets in the way
[20:51] <sheytan> apachelogger: but we will use a tile in ldm too. 
[20:51] <sheytan> so we don't get any glitter
[20:51] <apachelogger> thats what I said
[21:35] <Riddell> a curiously grumpy e-mail I got today http://paste.kde.org/673562/
[21:41] <yofel> I totally don't understand what point he's trying to make @_@
[21:49] <Darkwing> he is protesting the word allegedly?
[21:50] <Darkwing> has anyone been playing with active on the nexus 7?
[21:50] <Riddell> Darkwing: yes I have it
[21:50] <Riddell> touch doesn't work
[21:50] <Riddell> I'd like to get images being made as a first step
[21:51] <Darkwing> I agree. I'd like to help
[21:51] <Darkwing> I know its "working" on merged
[21:51] <Darkwing> mer
[21:51] <Riddell> yep
[21:51] <Darkwing> so, what did they do differently?
[21:52] <Riddell> touch is pretty different on different distros I believe
[21:52] <Darkwing> ahh... okay. 
[21:52] <Darkwing> we have a ppa for it?
[21:53] <Riddell> Darkwing: it's in raring
[21:53] <Darkwing> okay. :-) how have ya been?
[21:53] <Riddell> quite decent thanks
[21:53] <Darkwing> I've been out of it for a bit
[21:54] <Riddell> got life sorted yet?
[21:54] <Darkwing> finally I do. 
[21:54] <Riddell> gosh, that's better than most of us :)
[21:55] <Darkwing> I'm actually getting a VM on my new desktop so I can get the docs rolling again. 
[21:55] <Darkwing> I'm a full time student so I'm poor but its really stable in my life right now
[21:57] <Riddell> cool, docs seem to get lots of people saying they'd help not little full follow through
[21:58] <Darkwing> although, because on amd video drivers, I'm stuck using LTS but, its okay because I'm also doing some android stuff so, the SDK likes the LTS 
[21:58] <Darkwing> yeah. I think I'll figure it out.
[21:59] <Darkwing> I'm making notes for uds. you doing to make it to the US this spring?
[21:59] <Riddell> yeah oakland again, should be fun
[22:00] <Darkwing> it will be Oakland again? sweet. I may need sponsorship. 
[22:01] <yofel> Riddell: does touch not work at all or do you mean bug 1068994?
[22:02] <Riddell> yofel: I couldn't interact at all with Qt Quick/Plasma bits on the nexus
[22:02] <Riddell> QWidgets worked fine
[22:02] <Darkwing> is there a date yet so I can plan uni with it?
[22:03] <yofel> :(
[22:03] <Riddell> Darkwing: uds.ubuntu.com
[22:05] <Darkwing> hmmmz... okay
[22:07] <Darkwing> thanks. 
[22:12] <Darkwing> Riddell, how did you install plasma? just on top of the Ubuntu daily?
[22:17] <Darkwing> hmmz...  I don't feel any older at 30...
[22:41] <Riddell> Darkwing: yes from the ubuntu nexus image