[00:00] <Tassadar> yes
[00:00] <Tassadar> dickmacinnis: are you dual-booting it?
[00:01] <dickmacinnis> I was, and having noticed that others doing so were getting this bug, I did a wipe and fresh install via the official installer. With the fresh install, I saw the plymouth splash for a little longer, but I get the same end result.
[00:02] <Tassadar> the image is broken. It happens, this is not stable release after all. I'm sure it will be fixed soon.
[00:03] <Tassadar> do you want some older working image?
[00:04] <dickmacinnis> Tassadar: yes, that would be fantastic. I just got my nexus7 yesterday, and can't find an older build anywhere.
[00:04] <Tassadar> https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8rw999fkcglie9/Ubuntu_13.04_01-30-13.img
[00:04] <Tassadar> from somebody on XDA
[00:04] <dickmacinnis> Tassadar: thanks so much! Downloading right now.
[00:08] <Tassadar> well, thank you for assuring me that it's the image and not multirom)
[01:02] <joao> hi, so I've just flashed my Nexus 7 using the latest image, however the screen goes black after "localhost login: [Powering wi-fi]". It's stuck for more than 30 minutes now. Any thoughts?
[01:02] <Tassadar> [01:02] <Tassadar> the image is broken. It happens, this is not stable release after all. I'm sure it will be fixed soon.
[01:03] <Tassadar> do you want some older working image?
[01:03] <joao> Tassadar: sure i do, thanks
[01:04] <Tassadar> https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8rw999fkcglie9/Ubuntu_13.04_01-30-13.img
[01:04] <Tassadar> from someone on XDA, it's a bit old, so apt-get dist-upgrade will take long if you'll
[01:06] <joao> ok thanks, i was following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
[01:07] <joao> now i should do like on manual install?
[01:07] <Tassadar> yeah
[01:08] <Tassadar> this is the fastboot image which you would install in step 1 of manual installation
[01:08] <Tassadar> *download
[01:09] <joao> ok thanks, i'll give it a try
[01:30] <joao> what bootimg should i use?
[01:31] <Tassadar> hmm, you can use the one from daily build
[01:34] <joao> thanks, i'll try
[01:39] <joao> great, it's stuck at flashing bootimg -.-
[01:40] <isaias> hello
[01:40] <joao> hi
[01:40] <isaias> how are things comming along with the new img? :)
[01:40] <Tassadar> mornin'
[01:40] <isaias> evenin'
[01:41] <Tassadar> don't know, but I have old image if you wanna)
[01:41] <joao> what's the english word for being almost 2 am?
[01:41] <Tassadar> dunno, I used morning)
[01:41] <isaias> morning is good xD
[01:41] <isaias> its almost 10 here
[01:41] <isaias> pm
[01:42] <isaias> an old image would be amazing. i bought the nexus 7, and havent been able to use it, lol
[01:42] <Tassadar> https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8rw999fkcglie9/Ubuntu_13.04_01-30-13.img
[01:42]  * Tassadar hopes that dropbox account won't get banned because of too many downloads)
[01:42] <joao> i'm trying to flash that one, im stuck for 10min at flashing bootimg tho
[01:42] <Tassadar> it's stuck, just....reboot nexus and try again
[01:43] <Tassadar> it shouldn't break anything, it's just boot image
[01:43] <isaias> is this one boot or userdata?
[01:44] <Tassadar> userdata
[01:44] <isaias> thank you :D
[01:44] <Tassadar> boot from current daily should/could work okay
[01:44] <joao> retrying, i'm afraid to waste 300€ hence didnt reboot :P
[01:45] <joao> ok, took 1 second now
[01:46] <Tassadar> yeah, that's how it should be)
[01:46] <isaias> i can just use the new boot, and the userdata you sent me, right?
[01:46] <isaias> ok, lol
[02:00] <joao> it worked :)
[02:00] <isaias> will i need to learn a specific language to modify (add a usable program/app) for the tablet when the final product come out? or will it be more like PC where i can use whatever?
[02:00] <isaias> what I mean is, with ubuntu phone, they're telling me I have to learn QML
[02:01] <Tassadar> well, we still don't really know what the "final" product is in case of Nexus 7
[02:01] <isaias> will I be able to run a compiler? lol
[02:01] <Tassadar> yes
[02:01] <Tassadar> well
[02:01] <Tassadar> I have no idea
[02:01] <Tassadar> now you can :D
[02:02] <isaias> then I'm happy :)
[02:02] <Tassadar> Ubuntu phone apps will be using c++ and QML
[02:02] <joao> damn, keyboard doesn't show up lol and i still don't have my usb otg adapter
[02:02] <Tassadar> joao: are in the "installation wizard"? try to reboot it
[02:02] <isaias> i'm working on my C++, but they're telling me that for now, apps will only be in QML
[02:03] <Tassadar> QML is the UI
[02:03] <joao> yes, trying to put my name and stuff, i'll reboot
[02:03] <Tassadar> it's more like "scripting language"
[02:04] <Tassadar> you are not expected to say, render a web page in that language
[02:04] <isaias> i never heard of QML. fairly new to programming, lol
[02:05] <Tassadar> but, for example simple actions like "User toggles checkbox -> button gets enabled/disabled" should be in there
[02:05] <isaias> ok
[02:05] <Tassadar> it looks much better to me than Android and "Java", that's for sure)
[02:05] <joao> isnt there a way to reboot while on the "installation wizard" other than "brute force" ?
[02:05] <isaias> main reason I chose C++ is because I want to do more with my Ubuntu. If Ubuntu-Phone doesnt support apps in C++, it will be kind of dissapointing
[02:06] <Tassadar> joao: I think not, because your username/password is not yet created, so you can't even log in to console
[02:07] <joao> it will support C++ afaik
[02:07] <joao> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/app-ecosystem
[02:07] <Tassadar> I just spent whole day trying to write "driver" for USB ACM device using Android USB API, and it's still not working as I would image :/
[02:08] <scientes> Tassadar, i believe people do android drier development on ubuntu and the like
[02:09] <Tassadar> I'm sorry, what? ubuntu like channel #ubuntu?
[02:09] <isaias> Tassadar: hey, if you're scared your dropbox will get deleted because of the downloads, feel free to give out mine
[02:09] <isaias> Tassadar: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w06cl3llrgccarv/Ubuntu_13.04_01-30-13.img
[02:10] <Tassadar> isaias: Um...it _might_ not be mine, it's somebody's from XDA
[02:10] <isaias> ahh
[02:10] <isaias> either way, you have 2 links, in case one gets deleted xD
[02:12] <Tassadar> I should go to bed
[02:12] <Tassadar> well, good night
[02:14] <joao> gn8, better luck tomorrow :P
[02:49] <isaias> i can dissconect my nexus7 while its flashing, right?
[03:00] <joao> i did, nothing bad happened
[03:19] <isaias> hey, how do i get the onboard keyboard working? im trying to connect to my router
[03:20] <drizzy> click in the input box
[03:20] <drizzy> a input box
[03:20] <isaias> im tapping it, nothing is happenning, lol
[03:21] <isaias> :(
[03:22] <isaias> no onboard keyboard is comming up in any input boxes
[03:25] <isaias> any help with this?
[03:29] <isaias> i dont have a keybord with a usb that will plug into my nexus
[05:12] <isaias> :/
[05:12] <isaias> this keeps crashing
[07:44] <ashes> i'm curious what you do with your ubuntu-arm machines
[07:44] <ashes> i have one, and i don't know what to do with it
[07:45] <ashes> i have another arm machine running as a NAS, so i don't need another
[07:45] <ashes> i'm in a home environment
[07:51] <ashes> i have a seagate goflex archlinux NAS. it's able to do what it can do. it's simple. i have a trim slice, which can do a tiny bit more, regardless of being a nvidia cpu. i would like to put the trim slice to use, somehow
[07:51] <ashes> the goflex is owned. i can run buildroot on it, or cross-linuxfromscratch. it's owned
[07:52] <ashes> the trimslice begs gpu drivers
[07:52] <gildean> ashes: the tegra2-driver that's used on the ac100 works fine on the trimslice
[07:53] <gildean> "fine"
[07:53] <ashes> i have tried taloring video for the trim slice, and it still doesn't run well
[07:53] <gildean> as well as nvidia's beta-drivers work
[07:53] <ashes> it stops
[07:54] <ashes> i thought it was an i/o problem, and it's something else
[07:54] <ashes> it means i need a backend to recode stuff
[07:55] <ashes> video plays, but really badly
[07:55] <gildean> ashes: which drivers are you sporting?
[07:56] <ashes> h264
[07:56] <ashes> if you can give me a link to a video that should play well on a trim slice, and if it plays well, i will shut up about the hardware problems
[07:57] <ashes> i will figure it out from there
[07:58] <gildean> h264 is a video-codec, i was asking about which display-drivers are you using?
[07:58] <gildean> the tegra2 has a hard time playing anything hd, so that's mainly out of the question
[07:59] <ashes> x11, nvidia.
[08:01] <ashes> in reality, i will never ever buy nvidia again, like ever. i thought i was finished 10 years ago, and today you will need to spike red hot spikes in me before i agree to this again
[08:01] <ashes> i am trying to salvage this machine, and its not easy
[08:02] <ashes> it does shit in 1/8th the time of my laptop
[08:02] <ashes> so finding a use for it is hard
[08:03] <ashes> uhm
[08:03] <ashes> 100/8ths
[08:04] <ashes> the gpu is the only useful part
[08:04] <ashes> and it's not usefull
[08:06] <ashes> nvidia has made me check over every single driver when i buy hardware, to make sure none of it is nvidia
[08:06] <ashes> they have done the final nail
[08:06] <ashes> i did this when i bought my laptop
[08:07] <ashes> and for some reason when i bought my arm system i went retarded
[08:08] <ashes> 'nvidia, sure, trust them to give me drivers!'
[08:08] <ashes> or, not
[08:09] <ashes> i have a machine i paid $250 for, th
[08:09] <ashes> i have a machine i paid $250 for, with a nvidia cpu/gpu, and it's good for nothing to me
[08:10] <ashes> it's not a NAS, not a XBMC, not a firewall
[08:10] <ashes> it is good for nothing
[08:11] <ashes> it's a paperweight
[08:12] <ashes> linux doing nothing because nvidia is not cooperating
[08:14] <ashes> never buy nvidia. do not believe their sales bullshits about supporting new hardware. buy ati
[08:15] <ashes> never buy nvidia
[08:15] <ashes> ever
[08:15] <ashes> you will get fucked
[08:15] <ogra_> can you stop the vendor bashing please ?
[08:16] <ashes> i'm fustrated
[08:16] <ogra_> yes, but its not appropriate for this channel
[08:16] <ogra_> did you download and install the codecs from nvidia ? we only have the GL drivers in the archive, not the codecs
[08:17] <ogra_> so while GL apps will be fine, for video playback you will need additional bits
[14:54] <isaias> any news on the new img?
[15:40] <mosasaur> debootstrap --arch armhf --foreign --verbose precise http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[15:41] <mosasaur> /usr/sbin/debootstrap: 382: cd: can't cd to http://archive.ubuntu.com
[15:42] <mosasaur> where can I point debootstrap for an armhf?
[15:43] <mosasaur> I need a distro with gcc >= 4.6
[15:44] <boern> hey guys, i just had a problem i would like to share with you..  i installed ubuntu on my nexus 7 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation) i did in manually..  the part where you flash your userdata normally takes you 80 seconds.. on my computer it took 960 seconds.. i though i did something wrong but now its working..
[15:45] <boern> it*
[15:50] <isaias> boern: the new img is out?
[15:50] <isaias> :o
[17:50] <ogra_> mosasaur, its http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[17:51] <ogra_> mosasaur, also i would install qemu-user=static and use qemu-debootstrap, thats way smarter for creating a chroot (and you can directly chroot into it after debootstrap is done)
[17:54] <mosasaur> thanks ogra, but I still can't get it to work
[17:54] <mosasaur> debootstrap --arch armhf --foreign --verbose precise http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[17:55] <ogra_> erm
[17:55] <ogra_> you are missing the target dir
[17:55] <ogra_> debootstrap --arch armhf --foreign --verbose precise /path/to/chroot http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[17:55] <ogra_> mosasaur, ^^
[17:56] <mosasaur> it works!
[17:57]  * mosasaur feels very stupid and happy now
[17:58] <ogra_> but really, use qemu-debootstrap ... saves you the whole second debootstrap run (and you dont need --foreign)
[17:59] <mosasaur> I'm kind of hacking this to work with ubuntu instead of debian: http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/debian-on-android
[18:00] <mosasaur> I had extract the build-arm-chroot script from an old lucid
[18:01] <mosasaur> but that script is just a thin wrapper around debootstrap it seems
[18:01] <ogra_> yeah, that became qemu-debootstrap
[18:01] <mosasaur> thanks a lot ogra_ !
[18:02] <ogra_> well, its a lot more, the qemu-user-static package establishes a binfmt handler
[18:02] <ogra_> which qemu-debootstrap uses ... this way you can just chroot into the armhf chroot on an x86 machine
[18:02] <mosasaur> I had to adapt it to make it think armhf is acceptable
[18:03] <ogra_> you shouldnt need to
[18:03] <mosasaur> but indeed I could just do it all by myself, the problem is this is all very new to me
[18:03] <ogra_> wow, that howto is really using ancient stuff
[18:04] <mosasaur> the script is so old it doesn't know armhf
[18:04] <ogra_> yes, i know
[18:04]  * ogra_ wrote that stuff years ago
[18:04] <mosasaur> what that is your script :p
[18:05] <ogra_> but also havent touched it in years, debian adopted it into qemu-user-static
[18:05] <ogra_> no, build-arm-chroot was mine
[18:05] <ogra_> and the whole qemu-arm-static stuff
[18:05] <mosasaur> anyway it still works with a slight mod
[18:05] <ogra_> right, the new way would be easier though :)
[18:06] <ogra_> do you plan to have a full desktop install or just a basic environment
[18:09] <mosasaur> I'm making an image to run in a loop device on my android machine
[18:09] <mosasaur> the Android sdcard has a 4GB limit, becasue it's vfat
[18:09] <ogra_> yes, but what do you plan to have inside that image ?
[18:10] <ogra_> a desktop environment or just a basic commandline system
[18:10] <mosasaur> I need a gcc >= 4.6 and an armhf kernel to compile rtlsdr
[18:11] <ogra_> we provide a tarball for armhf with a basic but unconfigured cmdline system
[18:11] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[18:11] <ogra_> just grab it there
[18:11] <ogra_> its pretty much what you get with debootstrap
[18:11] <ogra_> so you can just untar it into your mounted image
[18:11] <mosasaur> OK thanks, but I was under the impression these are preconfigured for specific devices
[18:12] <ogra_> nope, they are exactly not preconfigured so you can build images out of them ;)
[18:12] <ogra_> thats the whole purpose of ubuntu-core
[18:12] <mosasaur> right I see, that is much easier
[18:13] <ogra_> http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core#Login_in_.22root.22_without_the_need_of_a_password
[18:13] <ogra_> you might want ths though
[18:14] <ogra_> (i dont think your howto works without unlocking root ... ubuntu locks it by default)
[18:15] <mosasaur> I already had root by exploiting an exynos privilege escalation
[18:16] <mosasaur> but then I installed cyanogenmod and now I have that yellow triangle
[18:16] <ogra_> i'm talking about your ubuntu environemnt
[18:16] <ogra_> not about the underlying android
[18:17] <ogra_> you either need to set a root password or unlick the root account in the image you are building
[18:17] <ogra_> *unlock
[18:18] <mosasaur> I am setting a root password while I am still in a chroot on my ubuntu machine
[18:18] <ogra_> ok
[18:18] <isaias> ++..................................................................+.
[18:18] <mosasaur> on the android machine I run it under a VNC
[18:19] <ogra_> isaias, i fished out teh last known working nexus7 image from a backup  ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/
[18:19] <ogra_> isaias, it shoudl work with the manual install method described on the aiki
[18:19] <ogra_> *wiki
[18:19] <mosasaur> but I read about someone making an xserver.apk, could not make it work on my device though
[18:19] <isaias> I just finished doing it :D
[18:19] <isaias> thank you!
[18:19] <ogra_> isaias, you mean you already tried that specific image ?
[18:20] <isaias> just rebooted to see it works
[18:20] <isaias> its flashing
[18:20]  * ogra_ handt announced the url anywhere yet 
[18:20] <isaias> o, wait
[18:20] <isaias> its different
[18:20] <isaias> i went to /current
[18:20] <ogra_> which one do you use ?
[18:20] <ogra_> ah
[18:20] <isaias> it said it was uploaded today
[18:20] <ogra_> thats likely exposing the same breakage
[18:21] <isaias> oh
[18:21] <isaias> ok
[18:21] <ogra_> yes, i havent found the reason yet, but also havent tried the image from the 17th
[18:21] <isaias> aww xD
[18:21] <ogra_> so it would be good if you could let it move on
[18:21] <isaias> well, I'll try it out :P
[18:21] <ogra_> to report if its any different
[18:21] <isaias> anything special you want me to do?
[18:22] <ogra_> no, just leave it do its thing
[18:22] <isaias> k
[18:22] <ogra_> see if you get into the graphical installer after the splash screen or if it stays black
[18:22] <isaias> ok
[18:23] <isaias> i had tried an older img but it kept crashing. had to plug it in and wait for the "battery full" to show up to be able to turn it on
[18:24] <ogra_> ah, yeah, battery should be charged when installing
[18:24] <isaias> scared me a little when i saw the messed up screen lol
[18:24] <isaias> battery was fully charged
[18:24] <ogra_> the device seems to start behaving weird if it is below a certain value
[18:24] <isaias> ahh
[18:24] <ogra_> at least for installing ...
[18:27] <isaias> The screen is black. I'll leave it for a few minutes to see is anything happens
[18:27] <ogra_> yeah, the installer startup is very slow
[18:36] <isaias> something should have happenedc by nos
[18:37] <isaias> now*
[18:37] <ogra_> yes
[18:37] <ogra_> it shouldnt take more than 1-2min
[18:37] <ogra_> i havent tested the "last-good-image" yet, but i think it should be fine
[18:37] <isaias> website says it would take up to 20 min
[18:38] <isaias> so I would be testing it?
[18:38]  * ogra_ is on a slow connection ....
[18:38] <ogra_> my download will still take 30min ... then i'll test it
[18:38] <ogra_> if you can get it before, go ahead :)
[18:38] <isaias> 5 min for me
[18:38] <isaias> left, i mean
[18:38] <isaias> lol\
[18:43] <mosasaur> where can I find /ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-armhf/Packages ?
[18:43] <mosasaur> I mean what do I put in my /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:44] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1672758/
[18:48] <mosasaur> thanks ogra that works for precise too
[18:52] <isaias> waiting for my device to boot
[18:52]  * ogra_ crosses fingers
[18:54] <isaias> no boot logo yet
[18:55]  * ogra_ is flashing
[18:56] <Tassadar> good thing you're not sparkling yet)
[18:56] <ogra_> haha
[18:56] <isaias> back xD
[18:56] <ogra_> front
[18:56] <isaias> lol
[18:56] <isaias> its still not doing anything. You sure it wont take 20min or so?
[18:57] <isaias> like the website says xD
[18:57] <ogra_> well, it should be busy unpacking the tarball
[18:57] <isaias> ok
[18:57] <ogra_> but it also tells you that it is
[18:57] <isaias> not doing anything
[18:58] <ogra_> "preparing the root filesystem, this will take several minutes ..."
[18:58] <isaias> it said that, then it all went dark
[18:58] <ogra_> thats the "last good" one ?
[18:58] <isaias> yep
[18:58] <ogra_> crap
[18:58] <isaias> would it be ok to disconect it from my computer after i try it again?
[18:58] <ogra_> sure
[18:58] <isaias> while it says "preparing..."
[18:59] <ogra_> yeah, doesnt do any harm
[18:59] <isaias> k. wI have to go in about 5 min for an hr or so.
[19:00] <isaias> but I'll be back. I'll try it again
[19:00] <isaias> good luck!
[19:00] <ogra_> thx
[20:53] <isaias> ogra_: you get it working?
[21:56] <redtape-renegade> I am seriously thinking about doing this :: http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.com/2012/11/looking-for-acer-c7-chrubuntu-tester.html
[21:56] <redtape-renegade> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350716277246?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[23:41] <isaias> ogra_: i rebooted a few times and it seems to have booted up just fine this time
[23:50] <redtape-renegade> isaias: GOOD for you  !! ||  \o/ ||
[23:50] <isaias> i thought it did
[23:50] <isaias> its stuck on the weird colors
[23:52] <redtape-renegade> MMMmm.. not sure I can help .. I'm stuck sitting up-to 1am tonight to get this chromebook  ::::: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350716277246?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[23:54] <k1l> !ot | redtape-renegade
[23:54] <ubot2> redtape-renegade: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[23:55] <k1l> oh wait, this isnt the main support channel :/ but atleast its not a ARM chromebook so its offtopic :)
[23:58] <isaias> its working now. its installing
[23:59] <isaias> ogra_: its working, after several reboots