[00:46] <Akiva-Mobile> So I am curious; what projects for the phone is everyone working on?
[00:50] <mhall119> Akiva-Mobile: have you seen the list of core apps being developed?
[00:51] <mhall119> Akiva-Mobile: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[00:51] <Akiva-Mobile> mhall119: No. A flashlight might be good to make a core app, to avoid the market being flooded out of the gate :P
[00:52] <Akiva-Mobile> For the email client, are you guys thinking of jumping back to evolution?
[00:58] <dmdrummond> mhall119: Has the name changed from Ubuntu Phone to Touch?
[01:05] <Akiva-Thinkpad> dmdrummond: Someone told me they are calling it the uPhone now.
[01:15] <nOStahl> they are changing the name?
[01:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> wotac < world of tactics - do you think its a good nickname for it?
[01:46] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: I think I will try and go ahead with the idea of creating a map generator that creates its terrain by reading GoogleMaps (or open maps, whatever)
[01:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I figure it will have enough interest for other projects to find contributors
[01:47] <Akiva-Thinkpad> and it is indeed, a very neato idea,
[01:48] <nOStahl> aye open street maps will do that for you np
[01:48] <nOStahl> terrain data etc.
[01:49] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I always thought of the prospect of a game whos environment perfectly reflected the real world,
[01:50] <Akiva-Thinkpad> figured it was a pipe dream though given the resources involved. With maps as detailed as they are though...
[01:53] <SkavenXXI> like this? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nianticproject.ingress
[01:54] <isaias> hi. I will be able to use C++ to modify my ubuntu phone when it comes out, right?
[01:55] <dmdrummond> isaias: do you mean to write apps?
[01:56] <isaias> please dont tell me its going to be like iphone and android apps. s anything wrong with it, i'm just sick of that entire system.
[01:56] <isaias> not that there's anything wrong with them**
[01:56] <dmdrummond> isaias: You will need to clarify what you mean in order to get an answer
[01:57] <isaias> ok, what language do i need to learn to make something i can use on the phone
[01:57] <dmdrummond> isaias: qml at the moment
[01:58] <dmdrummond> isaias: although web apps are to be first class citizens too
[02:00] <dmdrummond> isaias: see here http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[02:07] <Akiva-Thinkpad> What is ubuntu's prefferred license?
[02:07] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I assume linus's is gpl3
[02:14] <nOStahl> this is amazing article http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ read it Akiva-Thinkpad :)
[02:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: No I decided to go with cvs
[02:15] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Much better
[02:15] <nOStahl> ugh
[02:16] <nOStahl> be prepared to wait around for hours as your code base builds up
[02:16] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: Im kidding
[02:16] <nOStahl> lol
[02:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: Linus says that tarball trading was a much superior management system than cvs
[02:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: Did you see his google tech talk on git?
[02:17] <nOStahl> don't think I did
[02:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> As far as google tech talks are concerned, the house was packed with google employees
[02:17] <nOStahl> I have not had much time to consume content lately just learning jquery and such
[02:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> nOStahl: I think it was way back in 08
[02:18] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I liked old linus. Linus today is rude and vulgar.
[02:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> old linus was more contained in public.
[02:19] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Dunno about the kernel mailing list though.
[02:35] <frankencode> http://imagebin.org/247022
[02:35] <kostkon_> frankencode, cool
[02:35] <nOStahl> interesting view
[02:36] <frankencode> my first shot
[02:36] <nOStahl> first letter of each day for column headers maybe
[02:37] <frankencode> M T W T F S S
[02:37] <frankencode> hmmm....
[02:37] <nOStahl> or S M T W T F S
[02:37] <nOStahl> whatever the person's set the start of their week to
[02:37] <frankencode> yes, it is freely configurable
[02:38] <frankencode> you can start on friday if you like
[02:38] <nOStahl> it looks like all the apps have a huge header
[02:38] <frankencode> it disappears atomagically
[02:38] <nOStahl> oh good! heh
[02:38] <nOStahl> I'm a very AVID calendar user
[02:38] <frankencode> lets see how to goes in landscape
[02:39] <nOStahl> my zimbra server is mainly for calendars and tasks that happens to serve my email as well lol
[02:39] <frankencode> i better commit the code now, it's 3:40 in the morning already
[02:40] <nOStahl> I just got done reading http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
[02:40] <nOStahl> looks to be the way ubuntu schedules its flow too
[02:41] <frankencode> i'm pretty happy with the merge-only bzr workflow
[02:42] <nOStahl> i run my own gitlab server and loving it :)
[02:43] <frankencode> real hackers build their own dominions
[02:44] <frankencode> ohh, i start to sound like a lisa bot
[02:44] <nOStahl> are you working on the core calendar app or your own spin?
[02:45] <frankencode> i'll push it i a second...
[02:51] <frankencode> https://code.launchpad.net/~frankencode/ubuntu-calendar-app/ubuntu-calendar-app
[02:53] <frankencode> i'd liked to put the day names on the header separator
[02:54] <nOStahl> if you want to keep it clean too….. maybe when swiping over the days it just fades them in and out
[02:54] <nOStahl> neat effect and keeps it clean
[02:54] <nOStahl> people don't REALY need the days to display 100% of the time etc.
[02:55] <nOStahl> and they will like the play ability of the swiping
[02:55] <frankencode> the headers are really wasteful
[02:56] <nOStahl> where it says Calendar >
[02:56] <nOStahl> ?
[02:56] <frankencode> yes
[02:56] <nOStahl> didn't you say they auto fade away
[02:56] <frankencode> they do
[02:57] <nOStahl> that little gray bar in-between it and the calendar stays though and everything slides up after Calendar > fades
[02:57] <frankencode> let's see: "Calendar 2013 >"
[02:58] <frankencode> guess the design team will kill me for putting the year there
[03:00] <nOStahl> what do you think of the swipe effect
[03:01] <nOStahl> for showing the days in that gray bar
[03:03] <frankencode> showing the weekdays in the separator bar of the tab header?
[03:03] <frankencode> was my thinking
[03:03] <nOStahl> aye that gray bar
[03:03] <frankencode> yes, it's called a separator
[03:04] <nOStahl> aye
[03:04] <JuppMCO> Does anyone know if the preview will work on a version Galaxy Nexus?
[03:05] <JuppMCO> ^verizon
[03:05] <frankencode> u tell us
[03:08] <JuppMCO> I guess I'll wait until the 21st
[08:34] <comjf> howdy guys. Someone told me of a great resource for creating a wrapper for my c++ code into QML, but I lost the link
[08:34] <comjf> anyone know of good tutorials?
[09:15] <comjf> I just need bootstrapping information, aka, what libs to link against to actually get the QObject into my c++ code, etc
[11:49] <RipIT> Someone here who knows if i can use Ubuntu OS in a Nokia smartphone? for example the Nokia Lumia 920.
[12:01] <dmdrummond> RipIT: Unlikely, currently they are targeting android-phones as they already have kernels and drivers
[12:13] <sky770> http://www.canonical.com/content/touch-developer-preview-ubuntu-be-published-21-february-2013 << is great but only for nexus / nexus 4
[12:14]  * sky770 looking forward to HTC DS porting
[13:42] <rob_w> will we be able to start porting to other/own devices after 21th feb ?
[13:42] <smartboyhw> rob_w, yes
[13:42] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:42] <rob_w> u involved somehow '?
[13:43] <smartboyhw> rob_w, no. That is what I KNOW of:P
[13:43] <rob_w> kk cool
[13:43] <rob_w> i wonder alot about its internals , userspace , libs etc
[13:43] <smartboyhw> BTW a question from me too: Since Ubuntu ARM builds doesn't support ARMv7 phones, would it mean that it wouldn't support ARMv6 smartphones too
[13:43] <smartboyhw> ?
[13:44] <rob_w> why does it not support armv7
[13:44] <rob_w> imho this is the most spread atm
[13:45] <smartboyhw> rob_w, sorry armv6 :P
[13:45] <smartboyhw> s/ARMv7/ARMv6
[13:45] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:45] <rob_w> that makes a difference
[13:46] <rob_w> i dont care about armv6 ..
[13:46] <smartboyhw> rob_w, I do care
[13:46]  * smartboyhw has a Samsung Galaxy Pocket released last year in 2012 and since it is a budget phone it uses ARMv6
[13:46] <smartboyhw> And Canonical has said that they would support budget phones
[13:47] <rob_w> true,  budget phones  should be a target, though a not so funny one
[13:47] <rob_w> but it doubt that they will not have armv6 support at some stage
[13:48] <rob_w> i bet in the beginning they will show it in all its fancyness and want the power they get
[13:48] <rob_w> i am actually hoping for a nice stack in order to run it not only on phones but kiosks and industrial heads
[14:01] <sky770> whoa :O >> "<smartboyhw> BTW a question from me too: Since Ubuntu ARM builds doesn't support ARMv7 phones, would it mean that it wouldn't support ARMv6 smartphones too" wha the frig. ? :D
[14:01] <smartboyhw> sky770, I meant ARMv6
[14:01] <smartboyhw> SORRY AGAIN:P
[14:01] <sky770> if it wouldn't support armv7 hahaha..everyone wha we call "fkd" :D
[14:01] <sky770> ah nvm
[14:01] <sky770> :p
[14:33] <bzoltan> smartboyhw:  I am not an arch expert, but as I remember jaunty, karmic did support ARMv5/6. The v6 Galaxy devices are the Ace and Gio... both two years old. Do you know any recent smartphone what comes with v6?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> bzoltan, Galaxy Pocket (1 year old, which I am using)
[14:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I am thinking of using Panda for my engine, based on the reception it has, and its bsd license
[14:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> anyone have any experience with it?
[14:36] <bzoltan> smartboyhw:  True... but checking the specs of the Pocket it is pretty much a 2-3 years old story.
[14:36] <smartboyhw> bzoltan, the story:P
[14:36] <smartboyhw> It is still in sale here in Hong Kong
[14:36] <smartboyhw> I bought it in October I think
[14:39] <bzoltan> smartboyhw:  I have a RaspberryPI for media center :) It is perfect for the purpose and cheap, but I think for a smooth and flawless UI expereince and targeting 14.04 date it is understandable that Ubuntu's choice is the v8 and not the v6. Most of the devices with v6 are cool, nice, but I would not call them fresh :)
[14:39] <smartboyhw> bzoltan, yeah
[14:40] <bzoltan> smartboyhw:  But no question :) i would love to use Ubuntu on my R-Pi
[14:40] <smartboyhw> bzoltan, ;)
[14:49] <Andy80> bzoltan1, hi! I'm still facing that qmake problem and I'm not able to compile anything :\ do you know how could I fix it?
[14:50] <Andy80> andrea@andrea-Inspiron-660:~$ qmake
[14:50] <Andy80> qmake: could not open config file '/usr/share/qtchooser//default.conf': No such file or directory
[14:50] <bzoltan1> Andy80: Hello, do you have qt5-default installed?
[14:51] <Andy80> yes it is
[14:51] <Andy80> "qt5-default is already the newest version"
[14:51] <Andy80> I can try a re-install maybe...
[14:52] <Andy80> nope... I reinstalled using Synaptic, but nothing changed
[15:02] <Andy80> bzoltan1, only qt4-default is not installed, but this is normal since they would conflict
[15:03] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  Which Qt5  PPA are you using ?
[15:04] <Andy80> bzoltan1, this http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa/ubuntu
[15:05] <Andy80> and I also have this http://ppa.launchpad.net/ui-toolkit/ppa/ubuntu
[15:05] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  That is the SDK.... what about the Qt5?
[15:05] <Andy80> and also this one http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper/ubuntu
[15:05] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  Are you using Raring?
[15:05] <Andy80> no, Quantal
[15:06] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  That is good. In that case you need a major clean up :)
[15:06] <bzoltan1> Andy80: http://askubuntu.com/questions/254800/how-can-i-update-the-ubuntu-sdk-preview-from-the-qt-5-beta-ppa-to-the-qt-5-relea/
[15:06] <Andy80> ah ok, let me give a look :)
[15:07] <bzoltan1> Andy, you need this command: $ grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net*sdk*Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net*ui-toolkit*Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net*qt5-beta-proper*Packages |awk '{print $2}'|xargs sudo apt-get -y remove
[15:08] <bzoltan1> and  sudo ppa-purge ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper  and the other two PPAs
[15:08] <Andy80> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[15:08] <Andy80> it's removing even ubuntu-desktop :(
[15:09] <Andy80> omfg!
[15:09] <Andy80> please tell me how to undo the previsous command :(
[15:10] <frankencode> next time run with "-s", first
[15:10] <Andy80> bzoltan1, it's removing the WHOLE system :(
[15:11] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  hmm... it should not remove the whole sytem.. I use this command every day to clean up and reinstall the SDK
[15:12] <bzoltan1> Andy80: Sorry
[15:12] <Andy80> bzoltan1, look with your own eyes http://pastebin.com/f7qeYXCi :(
[15:14] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  Do you use KDE? That surely have dependencies on Qt packages
[15:14] <Andy80> bzoltan1, I'm using Unity....
[15:14] <Andy80> normal Unity
[15:14] <Andy80> it, for example, just removed everything related to Wt
[15:14] <Andy80> Qt
[15:14] <Andy80> Skype, Spotify etc...
[15:14] <bzoltan1> de-runtime kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-plugins
[15:15] <bzoltan1> Ctrl-C is is still on your keyboard, dude
[15:15] <Andy80> but I didn't want to interrupt the operation in the middle....
[15:15] <Andy80> it didn't ask me for any confirmation before starting removing packages
[15:16] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  there is no problem. You haeve the logs, copy and paste  the packages you need and apt-get install them
[15:16] <bzoltan1>  Andy80: apt-get -y does not ask questions
[15:16] <Andy80> ok, I'm going to do it right now..
[15:17] <bzoltan1>  Andy80: I am sorry
[15:17] <Andy80> nope :\
[15:17] <Andy80> I just would have preferred to spend the next couple of hours in a different way :P
[15:23] <bzoltan1> Andy80: it is just one apt-get install, do not worry
[15:26] <bzoltan1> Andy80: copy the text from the pastebin you gave to a file comm and run this> sudo apt-get install `cat comm |grep Removing|awk '{print $2}'|perl -i -p -e  "s/\n/ /g"`  Yes, it will ask you
[15:27] <bzoltan1> remove those packages from the list what it can not install with instertin |egrep -v "package|package|package"| before the perl and after the grep Removing
[15:28] <Andy80> oh... already tried manually.... with this command: http://pastebin.com/sPfEPcsV
[15:28] <Andy80> I will let this finish first
[15:32] <bzoltan1> Andy80: cool, you will survive :)
[15:32] <Andy80> I hope :D
[15:32] <bzoltan1> Anyhow... you had two UI Toolkit PPA and the qt5 PPA what we use for staging in your system.
[15:33] <Andy80> the old Qt5 PPA was removed... do I have to remove any other PPA?
[15:33] <Andy80> bzoltan1, do you want me to post you my repository list somewhere?
[15:34] <bzoltan1> Andy80: no need. just remove all the Qt5 and UI Toolkit PPAs and packages... make a clean system
[15:35] <Andy80> bzoltan1, uhmm... so which PPA do I have to leave installed?
[15:35] <Andy80> installed/enabled I mean
[15:35] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  do not leave enabled anything... first clan up
[15:35] <bzoltan1> clean
[15:36] <Andy80> oh wait then... first let me finish reinstalling ubuntu-desktop and all the old packages...
[15:36] <Andy80> then I will clean
[15:36] <bzoltan1> the `dpkg -l|grep Qt` should not list any Qt5 package
[15:37] <Andy80> why do I need to use dpkg -l|grep Qt ?
[15:38] <Andy80> p.s: just finished reinstalling my old packages
[15:40] <bzoltan1> Andy80:  dpkg -l lists all your packages and grep Qt check what Qt packages you have
[15:40] <Andy80> ok... and once I have the list?
[15:42] <bzoltan1> Do you see there Qt5 packages?
[15:42] <Andy80> yes, lot of them
[15:42] <Andy80> I just reinstalled manually, as I told you
[15:43] <Andy80> I remove all the Qt5 packages first, ok?
[15:44] <bzoltan1> OK
[15:44] <bzoltan1> and purge the PPAs
[15:49] <Andy80> I just removed a bunch using Synaptic, but using: dpkg -l|grep Qt, I still see a lot of them. I don't know how to remove them all
[15:51] <Andy80> I'm trying again..
[15:55] <Andy80> bzoltan1, ok, this is my current situation http://pastebin.com/yPzn1Eqa is it clean now?
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> http://imagebin.org/247068 << concept art for the type of game I am developing.
[16:03] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Well, doodle more like it
[16:33]  * Andy80 will be back later
[17:57] <bzoltan1> Andy80: looks better. I would clean up the packaged marked with rc: $ dpkg -l|grep Qt|grep rc| xargs sudo dpkg --purge
[18:35] <OSIEL> what i need to develop app for ubuntu phone?
[18:38] <mainerror> PAAOOOWW!! I just built my first Ubuntu package. Like a bauce.
[18:56] <denny_george> v
[19:09] <bzoltan1> OSIEL: You need this http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[21:12] <comjf> Does anyone know any good resources for binding existing c++ classes into QML
[21:12] <comjf> like starting steps too (what libs to import into eclipse etc)