[06:16] <Kilos> morning all
[06:27] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:27]  * superfly gets ready for kirk
[06:28] <Kilos> say a prayer for me too please superfly 
[06:29] <superfly> will do
[06:29] <Kilos> ty
[09:51] <Kilos> eeeek timkeller that bouncer of yours is sick
[09:52] <Kilos> maybe tonight ask one of the guys to help you fix it
[10:14] <Vince-0> Telkom: not winning with DSL faults in 10 areas
[10:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:23] <Vince-0> Never seen this - line syncs but no ppoe and I've tried two ISPs
[10:42] <Kilos> thats not good
[10:50] <Symmetria> sounds your the metro-e to your exchange is down Vince
[10:50] <Symmetria> the DSLAM will then sync but if here is no connectivity back outta the exchange you aint gonna get pppoe
[11:05] <Vince-0> Yes indeed. Hopefully they fix it fast cos there's a high concentration of users and businesses here
[11:37] <Vince-0> And I can play games, most importantly
[11:43] <smile4ever> There is hope for south africa :D
[11:44] <smile4ever> www.uitsaaines.co.za says ;)
[11:44] <smile4ever> :P
[11:44] <Squirm> lo
[11:45] <smile4ever> hi :)
[11:45] <smile4ever> ^^
[11:45] <smile4ever> are you using unity, Squirm?
[11:52] <charl_> good afternoon
[11:52] <charl_> Maaz_: coffee on
[11:52]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[11:54] <Squirm> smile4ever: nope
[11:55] <Squirm> don't like it
[11:55] <smile4ever> you are a kde man? :p
[11:55] <Squirm> nope
[11:55] <Squirm> more of a Gnome 2 man
[11:55] <charl_> hi Squirm, smile4ever 
[11:55] <Squirm> I'm running Mint MATE
[11:55] <Squirm> hey charl_ 
[11:55] <smile4ever> Squirm: cool :)
[11:56] <smile4ever> hi charl_ :)
[11:56] <smile4ever> I found a fix for wine apps under Unity
[11:56] <smile4ever> ^^
[11:56] <Squirm> yeah, I like Mint. 
[11:56] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[11:56] <smile4ever> Squirm: me too :)
[11:57] <Squirm> I'm going to go play squash now and I can still feel the coffee I had at lunch :/
[11:57] <Squirm> bad combination
[11:59] <charl_> Maaz_: thanks
[11:59] <Maaz_> charl_: Sure
[12:00] <Squirm> bbl
[12:01] <smile4ever> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Validation-certificaat <- cool, isn't it? :D
[12:01] <smile4ever> ^^
[12:39] <zeref> o0o0o0
[12:39] <zeref> gnome-shell in debian testing looks sexy :P
[13:26] <charl_> zeref: screenshot? :)
[13:28] <charl_> smile4ever: yeah that is quite important these days where ssl certificates are almost bought "off the shelf"
[13:36] <smile4ever> charl_:  :D
[13:36] <smile4ever> it was missing on Wikipedia NL, so why not write it :)
[13:54] <charl_> smile4ever: oh nice, you wrote that?
[13:54] <smile4ever> charl_: who else? :D
[13:54] <charl_> very good!
[13:59] <smile4ever> charl_: thanks :)
[14:28] <smile4ever> :D :D
[14:28] <smile4ever> Recent heeft u een melding gedaan van een (of meer) website die nog niet  
[14:28] <smile4ever> door CookiesOK ondersteund werd. 
[14:28] <smile4ever> Ik stuur u dit bericht om u te informeren dat ik uw melding afgehandeld  
[14:28] <smile4ever> heb en de website aan de plugin word toegevoegd vanaf de volgende update  
[14:28] <smile4ever> (morgen ochtend). 
[14:28] <smile4ever> (tweakers.net)
[14:28] <smile4ever> :)
[15:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:41] <Vince-0> Maaz: hmm...
[15:41] <Maaz_> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[15:41] <Kilos> haha
[15:41] <Kilos> tim needs help with his bouncer
[15:42] <Kilos> maybe he needs to get quassel- core and use it that way
[15:42] <Vince-0> androirc has a timout limit config
[15:42] <Kilos> sup Vince-0
[15:42] <Vince-0> is he on mobile that its so bad>?
[15:42] <Vince-0> Hi
[15:42] <Kilos> i dont know but its very bad
[15:43] <Kilos> timkeller: ping
[15:43] <Vince-0> timkeller ping
[15:44] <Vince-0> timkeller: ping
[15:44] <Vince-0> ow I thought it could be a bot command to show latency
[15:45] <Kilos> lol
[15:45] <Kilos> no we pinging him for a reaction
[15:45] <Kilos> the ctcp ping gives latency times
[15:46] <Kilos> dont see the optiojn here on quassel
[15:46] <Kilos> option as well
[15:48] <Vince-0> do you see that whois that whos idle time or is it just me cos I clicked on it
[15:53] <Kilos> in quassel Vince-0?
[15:53] <Vince-0> Xchat 
[15:53] <Kilos> never thought i would miss unity but because of xchat i do
[15:53] <Vince-0> Gnome3
[15:54] <Kilos> xchat dont give alert sounds in kubuntu
[15:54] <Vince-0> or shell or whatever - I need to do some customization testing on other environments
[15:54] <Kilos> xchat has lotsa stuff you can setup
[15:55] <Kilos> also shows hosts etc
[15:55] <Vince-0> what's your opinion on desktop window manager customizations? I think gnome2 is still the easiest to lock-down
[15:55] <Kilos> lemme start it here
[15:56] <Kilos> yeah gnome 2 still is the easiest
[15:56] <Kilos> mate was close
[15:56] <Kilos> have you tried mate?
[15:57] <Vince-0> tried it on the new LinuxMint in the call center and its not nice to customize easily.
[15:57] <Kilos> works on unity and like Squirm with mint
[15:57] <Vince-0>  I did have some luch with Gnome Shell but it isn't exactly light-weight on weak machines
[15:57] <Kilos> in unity its close to gnome2 as in maverick
[15:57] <Kilos> i dont know mint
[15:57] <Vince-0> Is OK
[15:58] <Kilos> i used mate on unity and it was much faster
[15:58] <Kilos> like turbo charging an old jalopy
[15:59] <Vince-0> I like the minimal ones like xfce, lxde and enlightenment even though they're out dated
[15:59] <Vince-0> I think it comes down to the desktop environment and customizations for end users - not the underlying distribution.
[15:59] <Vince-0> packages must just work
[16:01] <Kilos> yeah unity worked well here even though slowish, but everything except 3g worked
[16:01] <Kilos> now drive crashed and refuses to take unity again
[16:01] <Kilos> grrr
[16:01]  * Squirm dies
[16:02] <Vince-0> network manager? I have a SIM slot on the work Dell laptop but havn't tried it. Biggest problem is Nvidia Optimus and TV out
[16:02] <Kilos> watch out the day you really do Squirm\
[16:02] <smile4ever> bye :)
[16:02] <Kilos> toods smile4ever
[16:02] <Kilos> be good
[16:02] <smile4ever> thanks
[16:02] <smile4ever> :)
[16:03] <Kilos> hehe
[16:17] <Vince-0_DBNLUG> its mee
[16:17] <Kilos> what youuuu
[16:18] <Kilos> whats too
[16:18] <Vince-0> freenode client on the lug site I'm working on
[16:18] <Kilos> ah you causing all the probs
[16:18] <Kilos> naughty
[16:19] <Vince-0> problems? mee?
[16:19] <Kilos> haha
[16:19] <Vince-0> what do you know that I don'
[16:19] <Vince-0> t
[16:20] <Kilos> i can overhaul an automatic gearbox and diesel engine
[16:20] <Vince-0> ouch 
[16:20] <Kilos> hehe dirty work
[16:21] <Vince-0> I'm an office rat - keyboard hands
[16:21] <Kilos> shame
[16:21] <Kilos> can you surf?
[16:22] <Vince-0> hell yar
[16:22] <Kilos> yay then you not too bad
[16:22] <Vince-0> thanks
[16:23] <Kilos> hehe
[16:23] <Kilos> can you fix winsucks pcs?
[16:23] <Vince-0> yes unfortunately
[16:23] <Vince-0> local helpdesk, but not at work thank crabs
[16:24] <Kilos> then lurk on my channel for if someone needs help
[16:24] <Kilos> ##kilos
[16:24] <Vince-0> gotcha, I guess those newbs need help too
[16:24] <Kilos> cute ibid i got hey
[16:25] <Vince-0> is that a bot"?
[16:25] <Kilos> y7ip latest ibid
[16:25] <Kilos> yip too
[16:26] <Kilos> its maaz's little sister
[16:26] <Vince-0> k, I like the QA type bots makes things more structured
[16:26] <Vince-0> see the one in #freeswitch
[16:26] <Vince-0> although those sorts of things also need some type of time-shift or zone descriptions
[16:27] <Kilos> eeek lotsa peeps there
[16:27] <Kilos> id get lost
[16:27] <Vince-0> If you need assistance please type ~take-a-number [insert your question here] or read http://wiki.freeswitch.org
[16:28] <Vince-0> great project that - that wiki is nice and they do weekly conference calls
[16:28] <Kilos> im scared of wiki sites now
[16:28] <Vince-0> they're the bomb
[16:29] <Vince-0> although its a bit of work for admins
[16:29] <Kilos> i tried to get to 2 the smile gave coupla night ago and that crashed my unity
[16:29] <Kilos> what do they do at #freeswitch?
[16:30] <Vince-0> voip/softswitch
[16:30] <Vince-0> like Asterisk but on steroids
[16:30] <Kilos> oh i dont have data to play like that
[16:31] <Vince-0> you talkin about cap?
[16:31] <Kilos> ya i use 8ta
[16:31] <Vince-0> FS can be big with all the sound files
[16:31] <Kilos> make 2+1 last 2 months
[16:32] <Vince-0> but I'v heard of guys building it on embedded devices
[16:33] <Kilos> sound and video is bad news for 3g peeps
[16:33] <Vince-0> oh ya to get it over 3g but depending how you do it it could just be for internal use or on a telkom analogue line
[16:34] <Vince-0> the protocol options are flexible so you can do like speex codec at 5Kbps voice call
[16:34] <Kilos> hehe all lines got stolen here so often they refused to replace them
[16:35] <Kilos> new lines werent up a week then gone again
[16:35] <Vince-0> in fact, there's probably a module to get it to work with a SIM device
[16:35] <Kilos> even power lines
[16:35] <Vince-0> ya sounds like the Durban south coast and in-land
[16:35] <Kilos> copper has become like gold
[17:07] <Kilos> kubuntu installs packages muct faster than unity
[17:12] <Vince-0> same packages?
[17:30] <Kilos> yeah the normal 12.04 packages one manually installs from archives or a rsynced copy of them
[17:31] <Kilos> the package manager is much faster than gdebi or sotware centre
[17:31] <Kilos> and just one click on the package and it opens the pm
[17:34] <Kilos> i dont remember if one should install compiz. superfly?
[17:34] <Kilos> or inetpro
[17:34] <Kilos> they the kde guys
[17:55] <inetpro> timkeller spamming us?
[17:55] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[17:56] <Kilos> good morning inetpro
[17:56] <Kilos> yeah we gotta help him sort his bouncer thingie
[17:57] <Kilos> so must i install compiz boetie
[17:57] <inetpro> no man, at this rate he must just disconnect and connect when he wants to talk to us
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: on kubuntu there's no need to install compiz
[17:58] <Kilos> ok but would be nice to find what the prob is
[17:58] <Kilos> others dont do it
[17:58] <Kilos> maybe he needs kde stuff
[17:58] <inetpro> if you use a bouncer you need a stable connection
[17:59] <inetpro> kde won't make a diff
[17:59] <Kilos> he can disconnect after the meeting other wise he will forget
[17:59] <Kilos> you got no excuses to miss it either
[17:59] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[17:59] <Kilos> lmga
[18:00] <Kilos> looks like the mail peeps gave up the idea of activism against ms preinstalled pcs
[18:01] <Squirm> in theory, if you say no to MS's Terms, you should be able to claim the money back
[18:01] <Kilos> hey inetpro must i install compiz?
[18:02] <Kilos> ya Squirm some have done it but with lotsa rigmarole
[18:02] <inetpro> 17/02 19:57:56 <inetpro> Kilos: on kubuntu there's no need to install compiz
[18:02] <Kilos> i think its just pc suppliers that should give a choice not enforce the ms thing
[18:03] <inetpro> Kubuntu comes with built-in desktop effects
[18:03] <Kilos> oh sorry ballie. didnt see that
[18:03] <Squirm> pc without OS + optional, discounted OS
[18:03] <Squirm> agreed
[18:03] <Kilos> i killed them effects
[18:03] <Kilos> ya Squirmlike that
[18:04] <inetpro> Kilos: if you disabled desktop effects why do you still want compiz?
[18:04] <Kilos> well duh why you think im asking
[18:04] <inetpro> I don't know
[18:05] <Kilos> same as why you asked how to get rid of dubbletjies
[18:05] <inetpro> ai!
[18:05] <Kilos> hehe
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: if you don't use it don't install it
[18:06] <Kilos> i dunno what its supposed to do. so i asked. had to get it in unity for some reason
[18:06] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[19:09] <Kilos> something killed 3g had to put modem in another port
[19:09] <Kilos> ai!
[19:10] <Kilos> lo Banlam bakuman 
[19:11] <Kilos> shame poor old langjan sukkels with 12.10 unity and his wife is happy with 12.04 kubuntu
[19:11] <Kilos> surely theres a message there
[19:33] <smile4ever> bye :)
[19:33] <Kilos> toods smile4ever sleep tight
[19:34] <smile4ever> thanks Kilos good night
[19:34] <smile4ever> :)
[19:38] <Kilos> night all sleep tight.
[19:39] <Kilos> Maaz_, announce Meeting tomorrow night at 19.30 guys
[19:39] <Maaz_> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting tomorrow night at 19.30 guys
[20:06] <Vince-0> peace out!