[12:20] morning euro friends [12:21] hi rogpeppe, would you have time to chat with me a little later? i've got questions about the code organization and would like a bit of a walk through. [12:21] bac: definitely. give us a ping whenever you like [12:21] bac: we've got a meeting at 1500 UTC but that's all [12:22] rogpeppe: ok. will you be breaking for lunch soon? perhaps after that. [12:22] would give me time to collect my wits [12:22] bac: ok [12:59] bac: morning, we have the usual problem: http://uistage.jujucharms.com:8080/juju-ui/assets/config.js [12:59] frankban: ok, i'll fix it [12:59] bac: thanks [13:03] frankban: should be happy now [13:04] changes to config files *really* need to be QA'd b/c they will always break [13:05] frankban: which is exactly what you did! :) [13:14] pwd [13:39] rogpeppe: i'd like to chat whenever you have time. [13:39] bac: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3800a86edfc819420b2e9db27716e96b94774682?authuser=0&hl=en-GB [13:44] bac: is that link working for you? [13:46] bac, ping [14:11] good morning [14:35] hazmat: ping [14:35] rogpeppe: sorry, i didn't get the alert [14:36] bac: can't you join the hangout? [14:41] frankban, teknico, bcsaller_ hatch please put your travel details on this page once you have them (and if you don't have tickets already, please get them today!) [14:41] https://wiki.canonical.com/CDO/Sprints/JujuEcosystemSprintMarch13 [14:41] * gary_poster not really here [14:42] yep Ill call this morning - although I think it's a holiday in US and Canada today [14:42] gary_poster not really here, travel agency reply in right now :-) [14:42] teknico, :-) cool thanks [14:45] I'm assuming there will be no standup this am? [14:46] hatch usually there is, I think/hope ;-). People will mutter about it as the time approaches, I suspect. [14:47] sounds like a plan - I've almost caught up with all the emails and now trying to follow the namespace routing thread [14:49] * gary_poster disappears. ttyl [14:49] cya [14:51] gary_poster: travel plans should be on the last email iteration now, I'll post when I have confirmation [15:27] jujugui anyone have anything to chat about in the call in 3? [15:27] not really [15:27] hatch, not really, no [15:27] cool, let's pass then, we're down half [15:28] sounds good [15:28] teknico: can you paste something funny/lighthearted here so we don't miss out? [15:28] bac, :-D [15:30] Is fine with me [15:31] bac, not very funny but true: on the Montreal sprint frankban and I managed to slash 3K€ from the travel prices BTS (the European travel agency) originally proposed [15:31] this time it looks like we're not going to save more than 1K [15:32] wow, that's some slashing! did you do it by booking directly? [15:32] hah that's still pretty substancial [15:33] jujugui speaking of travel don't forget to book your travel [15:34] bac, no, I just double-checked their proposals, and bothered them enough :-) [15:58] just to confirm when we say 4-8 that's the landed days? so we fly in 3rd and leave the 9th? [16:12] hatch: I think so. [16:16] google flights are too cool, they even tell you when your flights include wifi [16:16] or have it available [16:18] if you haven't seen it yet http://www.google.com/flights [16:40] rogpeppe: hi, how to deploy a local charm with juju-core? using --repository and local:charm-name I get this error: error: cannot get latest charm revision: no charms found matching "local:precise/juju-gui" [16:43] frankban: hmm, it *should* work [16:44] frankban: what does your charm dir structure look like? [16:46] rogpeppe: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1677738/ [16:49] frankban: it may be we have a problem with the symlinks [16:49] frankban: could you try it with a dir structure with no symlinks? [16:50] rogpeppe: sure [16:52] hatch, thanks, but: "Sorry, flights from Italy are not currently supported." [16:52] aww darn! [16:52] uhm, it supports flights *to* italy though [17:04] rogpeppe: without symlinks it works, thanks. [17:05] frankban: ok, cool. does the symlink version work with python juju? [17:05] rogpeppe: yes, it does [17:06] frankban: probably worth raising a bug then [17:06] guihelp - anyone around that can explain to me the usecase behind this namespace routing before I submit my comments on the merge? [17:06] rogpeppe: yes, I'll do it. [17:06] hatch: yeah, want to talk about it [17:07] yeah meet in the boardroom? [17:07] hatch: in hangout [17:25] oh cool you can get a dell xps 13 with ubuntu now [17:27] the best part about it is that you can get it in a higher resolution display than the windows version [17:43] rogpeppe: filed bug 1129319 [17:43] <_mup_> Bug #1129319: Local charm deployment not working if symlinks are used < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1129319 > [17:44] frankban: thanks a lot === imbrando1 is now known as imbrandon [18:34] here's a dilemma: is it ethical to ask the company to pay 400 quid more for a flight so that i can get 4 hours sleep rather than none... ? [18:35] are you worth 400 quid more after 4h sleep? [18:35] ;) [18:35] hatch: probably :-) [18:35] hatch: not to mention the greater likelihood of me missing a connection [18:42] hah, ok my verdict is that, ethically, it's ok to ask ;) [18:43] this is comign from the guy who started last week...so my word might be worth nothing haha [18:51] hatch: :-) [18:54] how does the per diem usually work? Do I need to get a company CC or do I just put it on my own then expense them? [18:56] hatch, own and expense [18:56] hatch, breakfast and lunch provided typically, so its just dinner [18:56] typically one at least one team diner [18:56] sounds good to me [18:59] bcsaller_: if we do plan on releasing this router code back to YUI it will need almost a complete rewrite to be accepted as it needs to follow the YUI code structure and functional back to IE6 [19:00] be functional* [19:01] I can make a note in the code review if you feel that's important [19:06] hatch, ie6... i thought yui gave up on that [19:06] if not then.. perhaps the case should be made. [19:06] negative - they just restructured the 'Graded Browser Support' [19:07] yahoo still has around 5% of their users on IE6 [19:07] although it's dropping [19:07] honestly getting this routing code to work in IE6 would be as easy as switching the ES5 code to use YUI polyfills [19:07] but there are still code structure changes required before they would accept the pull request [19:08] polyfills.....wrapper methods.... [19:09] although with that said for them to accept it it would have to be agreed on by the community so it might be a better fit in the gallery [19:10] I can help navigate the community and procedures if we decide we want to put the effort in going that route [19:11] I'll add the note to the review just so that we have it recorded somewhere [19:16] hatch, my experiences getting patches upstream into yui has been fairly negative.. in terms of time and effort, and the long wait till action [19:17] hatch, i'm game to try and but we need to be realistic about time boxing it [19:18] yeah they have made a lot of steps towards speeding up the process but of course any changes need to fit in with the rest of the library [19:18] our best bet might be to put it in the gallery [19:18] and then at that point decide if it is worth going any further [19:20] hazmat: just FYI - there is going to be a continous drive to remove the 'gallery-' from modules and move as many modules from 'core' into the gallery to leave the 'core' just a framework [19:20] it's some time away still but that's the end goal [20:10] on a recent pull of trunk when I attempt to make devel I get an EPERM error during the grunt node install [20:14] sry permissions issues again [20:33] well once I solved those I'm getting an error on spritegen [20:33] make: node_modules/grunt/bin/grunt: Command not found [20:33] were there any changes to trunk recently that would cause that? [20:42] looks like grunt has released a new version which might be the issue [20:42] our package.json only specifies a minimum version [20:45] yup [20:52] jujugui - bug 1129464 [20:52] <_mup_> Bug #1129464: 0.4.x grunt branch breaks all builds < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1129464 >