| pitti | Good morning | 06:05 |
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| mlankhorst | morning | 07:37 |
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| mpt | m4n1sh, great job so far! | 09:37 |
| ogra_ | seb128, hey, doe the image suffice for you guys ? | 09:39 |
| ogra_ | *does | 09:40 |
| Laney | the daily? | 09:40 |
| ogra_ | no, th daily is dead, thats why i put a "last-good-image" subdir in place (and mailed seb about it) | 09:41 |
| Laney | ah | 09:41 |
| Laney | got a link? | 09:41 |
| ogra_ | its not as "good" as the name suggests though ... but it at least boots you into the installer | 09:41 |
| Laney | nm, found | 09:41 |
| ogra_ | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/ | 09:42 |
| ogra_ | make sure to always hold the device in portrait mode .... else it starts drawing the installer windows offscreen | 09:42 |
| Laney | I have one here from 31/1 that worked IIRC | 09:42 |
| ogra_ | and if you dont want to reboot multiple times to make the onboard focus work, better attach a kbd during install | 09:43 |
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| ogra_ | after installl all is fine | 09:43 |
| ogra_ | the actual brekage we have is super wierd though ... and i cant really find if its lightdm's, upstarts or ubiquity-dm's fault :/ | 09:44 |
| seb128 | ogra_, thanks, I got the email, that's useful to have this image for the people who need to reinstall their tablet | 09:44 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 09:44 |
| seb128 | ogra_, sorry you had to spend your w.e on that :-( | 09:44 |
| ogra_ | if you have raring already, better just upgrade though | 09:44 |
| ogra_ | seb128, well, at least i had a fun birthday due to it :P | 09:45 |
| seb128 | "fun" | 09:45 |
| ogra_ | heh | 09:45 |
| * Laney is trying xnox's flashing thingy | 09:45 | |
| seb128 | ogra_, happy birthday btw! ;-) | 09:45 |
| ogra_ | heh, thanks :) | 09:45 |
| ogra_ | so what i found is that there seems to be a /tmp/.X0-lock (and there is actually an X process in the processlist) that prevents ubiquity-dm from starting ... i have no clue where that process comes from | 09:46 |
| ogra_ | and indeed beyond some pam warnings from lightdm not a single log has any info | 09:47 |
| xnox | ogra_: \o/ thanks for last-good-image | 09:47 |
| ogra_ | xnox, well, its not as good as you woulld think :) | 09:47 |
| xnox | Laney: =) usb-creator? --fastboot cause the user-job is not in place. | 09:47 |
| * ogra_ did a test install and it was really painful, none of the ubiquity fixes are in there | 09:48 | |
| Laney | what? | 09:48 |
| Laney | ps. are you here? | 09:48 |
| xnox | "* Laney is trying xnox's flashing thingy" as in usb-creator that may or may not pop-up for you depending how recent usb-creator is for you. | 09:49 |
| xnox | Laney: I woke up late, so started working from home. | 09:49 |
| xnox | I am pondering to show up at lunch time tough. | 09:49 |
| * xnox ...though(?!) | 09:49 | |
| Laney | it did pop up | 09:49 |
| xnox | good =) | 09:49 |
| Laney | the time remaining never updates | 09:49 |
| ogra_ | xnox, but it uses the current/ image, no ? | 09:50 |
| Laney | that or 'Flashing user partition' has hung | 09:50 |
| xnox | ogra_: usb-creator doesn't download, so one has to pick/download/generate image oneself =) | 09:51 |
| Laney | i think this isn't going to finish | 09:51 |
| xnox | Laney: fastboot gives no progress indication so it's all fake =) | 09:51 |
| ogra_ | ok | 09:51 |
| Laney | how long does it usually take? | 09:52 |
| ogra_ | not more than 2min if i do it manually | 09:52 |
| xnox | Laney: does it pulse? (3 minutes usually. 5 minutes safe) | 09:52 |
| Laney | it's pulsing yeah | 09:52 |
| xnox | so it should be still flashing. you should get a pop up soon saying it's rebooting. | 09:52 |
| xnox | and then the installer will be unpacking the tarball. | 09:53 |
| xnox | ogra_: did plymouth fit into initramfs yet? cause I am thinking to show purple screen & feed unpacking tarball progress as plymouth messages with % updates if we can. | 09:53 |
| Laney | been way more than 5 minutes | 09:54 |
| * Laney does it manually :P | 09:54 | |
| xnox | (unplugging the tablet half way through may get it stuck =/ ) | 09:55 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Pulse problem fixed, puls dpeneds on libpulse0 harder now, should hit the mirrors soonish. | 10:12 |
| TheMuso | Thanks for the report. | 10:12 |
| czajkowski | TheMuso: what pulse problem, curious as having woeful issues all weekend, where I have to stab and do the deathly dance of killall to pulseaudio each time to play any file. | 10:14 |
| TheMuso | czajkowski: What version of Ubuntu are you running? This is fo rarring, there was a slight issue with an internal pulse lib and package upgrading for raring and pulse 3. | 10:15 |
| czajkowski | TheMuso: yup raring | 10:16 |
| TheMuso | czajkowski: Ok, I don't think this will fix your issue, but please wait for pulseaudio 1:3.0-0ubuntu2 to be installed, file a bug, and plesae get a log from PulseAudio showing whats going on, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log. | 10:17 |
| czajkowski | nods will do thanks | 10:18 |
| ogra_ | xnox, no, and it wont i fear, unless our kernel binary loses 2 of ots 4MB | 10:25 |
| xnox | *sigh* | 10:26 |
| ogra_ | (or if plymouth itself goes on a diet, that one option i still wanted to look at) | 10:29 |
| ogra_ | *thats | 10:29 |
| ogra_ | for now though i need to find the issues with ubiquity-dm | 10:29 |
| m4n1sh | mpt: i guess Stefano "cando" Candori gets a lot of praise too :) | 10:35 |
| m4n1sh | plus diagnostic tab is still broken. Need to work on it | 10:35 |
| mpt | m4n1sh, I could give you a list of small visual glitches to fix, if you like, or maybe would you prefer to leave that until later | 10:37 |
| mpt | Looking at the Gnome Privacy stuff now | 10:38 |
| mpt | Last time I looked at it I couldn't understand what any of the settings were for | 10:38 |
| m4n1sh | mpt: tell me. Let me know | 10:47 |
| mpt | m4n1sh, I'm in meetings right now, but I'll e-mail you (unless there's an appropriate list to mail instead) | 10:47 |
| m4n1sh | you would have to think how to merge the gnome3 privacy/sharing stuff here. I can't figure out much on that. Not very good at UI things | 10:47 |
| m4n1sh | mpt: okay. not an issue. after you are done | 10:48 |
| m4n1sh | mpt: when done, you can send it to: me -at- manishsinha -dot- net | 10:49 |
| mpt | ok | 10:49 |
| m4n1sh | is there anyone who can review a software sources merge proposal? I can't find mvo for a long time? | 10:50 |
| xnox | m4n1sh: URL? | 10:52 |
| m4n1sh | https://code.launchpad.net/~manishsinha/software-properties/fix-874766-updates-tab-failed-auth/+merge/148924 | 10:52 |
| m4n1sh | xnox: ^ | 10:53 |
| xnox | m4n1sh: looks simple enough, added to my todo list to follow up later. | 10:54 |
| m4n1sh | xnox: I want to do the same for other drop downs too. maybe i can do that too | 10:56 |
| seb128 | desrt, | 11:01 |
| seb128 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/ | 11:01 |
| seb128 | then instructions on | 11:01 |
| seb128 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation#Manually_Installing_Ubuntu_13.04_on_Nexus_7 | 11:01 |
| mpt | m4n1sh, has the 3.8 Privacy stuff changed since <http://afaikblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/privacy.png>? | 11:01 |
| mpt | And is there an explanation of each of those options anywhere? | 11:02 |
| m4n1sh | mpt: any idea what that "usage and history" is about? | 11:02 |
| mpt | m4n1sh, no. :-) | 11:02 |
| mpt | It's a mysterious design. | 11:02 |
| m4n1sh | and what does diagnostic mean? what kind of error reporting daemon does gnome have? am I missing something | 11:02 |
| mpt | There's some wireframes at <https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Privacy#Tentative_Guidelines> | 11:03 |
| m4n1sh | whatever the changes needed for ubuntu privacy would have to be done for 13.10 | 11:04 |
| desrt | seb128: got it, thanks | 11:04 |
| desrt | seb128: what did we miss this morning, anyway? | 11:04 |
| seb128 | coffee? | 11:05 |
| m4n1sh | mpt: maybe I'll add ricotz PPA to see what is there in privacy of gnome 3.8 | 11:05 |
| mpt | m4n1sh, LOL, "Location Services" is the name of a framework on iOS. They've copied it directly even though Gnome's framework has a different name. | 11:05 |
| mpt | (geoclue, right?) | 11:06 |
| m4n1sh | oh yeah. Didn't they deprecate geoclue in favour of something else? | 11:06 |
| mpt | don't know | 11:06 |
| m4n1sh | or did they deprecate something for geoclue. don't remember | 11:06 |
| ogra_ | desrt, better make sure to always stay in portrait and have a kbd attached, else the install is painful | 11:12 |
| desrt | noted | 11:13 |
| * desrt is sitting at the 'preparing the root file system...' screen for a while now | 11:13 | |
| ogra_ | (the saddest part is that the current image has all xonx' fixes once i get the installer to run and works just flawless) | 11:14 |
| ogra_ | *xnox | 11:14 |
| xnox | well, there are still some things to do =) | 11:15 |
| seb128 | hum | 11:17 |
| seb128 | adb is giving me a "error: device offline" | 11:17 |
| seb128 | did anyone got that before? | 11:17 |
| xnox | seb128: did you have latest android update on the nexus7, it know requires to authenticate each machine you want to adb from. | 11:19 |
| xnox | by saying yes in the popup. | 11:19 |
| xnox | ? | 11:19 |
| seb128 | xnox, hum, no prompt that I can see | 11:20 |
| seb128 | xnox, it's running android 4.2.2 yes | 11:21 |
| xnox | first activate developer mode with 7x tap on the info item (or whatever it was) and then enable usb-debugging and then upon connecting a popup should appear on android. | 11:22 |
| seb128 | xnox, how "connecting"? | 11:23 |
| seb128 | I did enable the usb debugging, I can browse the mtp mount with nautilus | 11:23 |
| cyphermox | so is everyone just having major issues flashing and installing on the devices? | 11:23 |
| cyphermox | I'm reading backlog, saw desrt's and seb128's comments | 11:24 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, current daily is broken, see the email I sent to the team this morning | 11:24 |
| cyphermox | ah | 11:24 |
| cyphermox | didn't get that far yet | 11:24 |
| desrt | ogra_: so onscreen keyboard in the installer is pretty flaky... | 11:31 |
| desrt | is this what you were talking about? | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | desrt, yes | 11:31 |
| ogra_ | it works randomly after a few reboots, but i would really recommend to use a real kbd | 11:32 |
| desrt | i did :) | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | good :) | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | after install all should be fine | 11:32 |
| xnox | ogra_: please seed oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu onto the image (if we have space) it's very pretty =) | 11:33 |
| ogra_ | we dont have any space ... in fact we are 2M above the specced 660M already | 11:34 |
| ogra_ | will do once i switched to xz though | 11:34 |
| ogra_ | that should given us plenty of space back | 11:34 |
| ogra_ | but is lower prio than finding out why ubiquity-dm misbehaves so badly indeed | 11:35 |
| xnox | ogra_: i currently blame the new accessibility framework upload. =) | 11:36 |
| seb128 | xnox, internet suggests I need adb 1.0.31 for the secure stuff from android 4.2.2 | 11:37 |
| * desrt upgrades | 11:38 | |
| xnox | seb128: argh. ok. Adding to my list to update asap. | 11:39 |
| ogra_ | xnox, well, one of lightdm or ubiquity-dm is firing up an X server it doesnt attach to, then if ubiquity-dm starts (or respawns, not sure) there is the lock file that prevents it from starting ... if i hack around long enough i can get u-dm starting without issues though | 11:41 |
| ogra_ | i doubt thats a11y related | 11:41 |
| ogra_ | its eithetrt lightdm having become a lot faster and not respecting that u-dm wants to start, or upstart not respecting the "start on starting lightdm" in oem-configs start script or its u-dm itself failing on the first start and trying to respawn on the same display | 11:42 |
| TheMuso | Well we actually no longer need to explicitly load at-spi in ubiquity-dm any more, GTK should be able to do that when we use it, given that it uses libatk-bridge, which does the needed work of bringing up at-spi if its not yet running. | 11:45 |
| TheMuso | Before we do that though, I'd better test to see if things still work proplery in the install environment. | 11:45 |
| ogra_ | TheMuso, well, could it cause ubiquity-dm to crash ? | 11:46 |
| TheMuso | With that code removed. | 11:46 |
| TheMuso | ogra_: I wouldn't think so... That code has been there for quite a while now, at leas tthe at-spi code that is. | 11:46 |
| ogra_ | right | 11:46 |
| m4n1sh | mvo: ping | 11:54 |
| m4n1sh | mvo: when you are free, can you have a look into the merge proposal on software-properties ? | 11:58 |
| m4n1sh | is egg-list-box packaged for raring? can't find one. Or does it even have a release? Can't find neither the package nor a release | 12:39 |
| kenvandine | m4n1sh, i think there are some apps that have embedded it | 12:39 |
| kenvandine | like empathy | 12:39 |
| attente | seb128: | 12:39 |
| attente | https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/gtk2-item-factory-separators | 12:39 |
| attente | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694077 | 12:40 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 694077 in general "GtkItemFactory doesn't make GtkSeparatorMenuItems" [Minor,Unconfirmed] | 12:40 |
| seb128 | attente, thanks | 12:40 |
| m4n1sh | kenvandine: means egg-list-box is part of empathy, but not as a separate package and dependent on it? | 12:40 |
| kenvandine | m4n1sh, yeah | 12:41 |
| kenvandine | i haven't seen it separate yet | 12:41 |
| m4n1sh | kenvandine: and the one on gnome git does not work. the trunk is broken | 12:41 |
| m4n1sh | Makefile.am:99: HAVE_INTROSPECTION does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL | 12:42 |
| m4n1sh | Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' | 12:42 |
| m4n1sh | autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1 | 12:42 |
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| vibhav | Where will notfications genertaed using libnotify appear? | 13:21 |
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| seb128 | mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1129191 | 15:29 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 1129191 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "some updates can't be checked from the main list" [Undecided,New] | 15:29 |
| mterry | seb128, awesome. Problems with my fix now though | 15:29 |
| mterry | seb128, I'll get this fixed right after I theme the screensaver prompt to look nicer | 15:29 |
| qengho | chrisccoulson: If you want to try building chromium beta, which I have not tried yet on armhf, try what's in my beta ppa: https://launchpad.net/~cmiller/+archive/chromium-browser-beta-daily/+packages | 16:06 |
| mterry | attente, bug 595615 is all I can find | 16:24 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 595615 in AppMenu GTK+ "emacs has special menus and entries" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595615 | 16:24 |
| mterry | attente, that sounds familiar to me, but doesn't seem to have been fixed by me (despite me putting the blacklist in). So I'm not sure there isn't another bug that I fixed with that blacklisting... Of course, I didn't link my commit to a bug, because I'm a darned fool | 16:25 |
| mterry | attente, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/appmenu-gtk/blacklist-emacs/+merge/57934 | 16:35 |
| mdeslaur | desrt: your "a warning about glib" blog post says you want to know if something breaks...pygtk is apparently broken. bug 1103170, bug 1102960 | 16:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1103170 in meld (Ubuntu) "meld crashed with TypeError in <lambda>(): <HistoryFileEntry object at 0x1e58960 (HistoryFileEntry at 0x1f08540)>: unknown signal name: changed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103170 | 16:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1102960 in dia (Ubuntu) "dia crashes on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1102960 | 16:47 |
| desrt | mdeslaur: we know about pygtk | 16:47 |
| desrt | mdeslaur: solution is to upgrade pygtk.... | 16:47 |
| desrt | pitti: right? | 16:47 |
| pitti | desrt: well, the real solution is to port stuff to gtk 3 and GI :) | 16:47 |
| mdeslaur | doesn't seem to be any recent commits in pygtk that would fix that | 16:48 |
| pitti | desrt: as I just said in #u-devel, I guess it's possible to fix pygtk | 16:48 |
| desrt | are the old gtk static bindings broken by the glib change? | 16:48 |
| pitti | but no idea how much effort that is | 16:48 |
| desrt | if they are and you can't fix it we'll have to back out the change :/ | 16:48 |
| pitti | I'd much rather not do that | 16:49 |
| desrt | pitti: is it the same code? | 16:50 |
| pitti | desrt: no idea; I guess it's completely different; conceptually simpler, but structurally harder as the change is probably needed in a lot of different places | 16:51 |
| pitti | but that's just a hunch | 16:51 |
| desrt | unfortunately "port to gtk3" is not a viable suggestion | 16:52 |
| mterry | jdstrand, your recent merge for data/guest-session.apparmor_abstraction into lightdm is missing some files | 16:52 |
| pitti | so we need the spirit of http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=efcb0f9fd applied to pygtk | 16:52 |
| desrt | pitti: did i ever tell you that this is a beautiful commit? | 16:54 |
| pitti | desrt: I don't think so :) but it's just some technical jibberjabber, nothing particularly æsthetically pleasing :) | 16:55 |
| desrt | pitti: it's a thing of beauty. | 16:55 |
| desrt | and the world could use more beauty | 16:56 |
| desrt | ;) | 16:56 |
| pitti | in my book, http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=15e717 is a beautiful commit :) | 16:56 |
| pitti | (789 removals, 161 additions) | 16:57 |
| desrt | pitti: so what form do you take bribes in? | 17:00 |
| desrt | and/or who else could i bother? | 17:00 |
| pitti | desrt: mostly a matter of finding time to fix it | 17:01 |
| pitti | desrt: potential victims are me or jdahlin; there might be some other former pygtk maintainers as well, of course | 17:02 |
| pitti | need to leave, time for Taekwondo | 17:04 |
| pitti | please file a bug and assign, lest I forget | 17:04 |
| desrt | mdeslaur: ^ | 17:17 |
| mdeslaur | desrt, pitti: bug 1129309 | 17:31 |
| desrt | mdeslaur: probably should be upstream against pygtk | 17:31 |
| mdeslaur | ah, yes, I'll file one | 17:31 |
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| mdeslaur | desrt, pitti: upstream bugzilla #694108 | 17:35 |
| desrt | mdeslaur: thanks | 17:35 |
| desrt | seb128: ^ | 17:35 |
| seb128 | desrt, mdeslaur: thanks | 17:35 |
| desrt | RAOF: hey. got a second again? | 17:44 |
| czajkowski | Laney: if you're looking for a nice curry place, head up towards london bridge and right beside borough market on the left is a tiny place, but does nice foods | 17:45 |
| Laney | czajkowski: good info | 17:46 |
| Laney | got a name? | 17:46 |
| RAOF | desrt: Not so much, but could spare some cycles on IRC? | 17:47 |
| czajkowski | Laney: it;s the only one, it's opposite a small newsagent and Reed HR | 17:47 |
| Laney | aye | 17:47 |
| desrt | RAOF: ./X11/extensions/XI2proto.h:typedef xXIBarrierEvent xXIBarrierHitEvent; | 17:47 |
| Laney | when are you up? | 17:47 |
| desrt | what's up with 'x'? | 17:48 |
| RAOF | Crazy namespacing thing. | 17:48 |
| desrt | how do i get the version without leading 'x'? | 17:48 |
| RAOF | desrt: XInput2.h | 17:50 |
| desrt | where do i get this? | 17:50 |
| RAOF | libXi-dev, from memory? | 17:51 |
| desrt | the one i have has no mention of XIBarrier | 17:51 |
| desrt | ya... that's indeed where it comes from | 17:51 |
| RAOF | desrt: Ah, right. You want the shiny new version, in canonical-x/staging. | 17:52 |
| czajkowski | Laney: not gonna make it up this week, super busy and climbing walls | 17:52 |
| czajkowski | sorry :( | 17:53 |
| Laney | climbing... walls? | 17:53 |
| RAOF | desrt: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging | 17:53 |
| RAOF | desrt: Warning: will break your Unity ☺ | 17:53 |
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| pitti | mdeslaur: thanks | 20:59 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: thanks! | 21:00 |
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