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pittiGood morning06:05
mlankhorstmorning07:37
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mptm4n1sh, great job so far!09:37
ogra_seb128, hey, doe the image suffice for you guys ?09:39
ogra_*does09:40
Laneythe daily?09:40
ogra_no, th daily is dead, thats why i put a "last-good-image" subdir in place (and mailed seb about it)09:41
Laneyah09:41
Laneygot a link?09:41
ogra_its not as "good" as the name suggests though ... but it at least boots you into the installer09:41
Laneynm, found09:41
ogra_http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/09:42
ogra_make sure to always hold the device in portrait mode .... else it starts drawing the installer windows offscreen09:42
LaneyI have one here from 31/1 that worked IIRC09:42
ogra_and if you dont want to reboot multiple times to make the onboard focus work, better attach a kbd during install09:43
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ogra_after installl all is fine09:43
ogra_the actual brekage we have is super wierd though ... and i cant really find if its lightdm's, upstarts or ubiquity-dm's fault :/09:44
seb128ogra_, thanks, I got the email, that's useful to have this image for the people who need to reinstall their tablet09:44
ogra_yeah09:44
seb128ogra_, sorry you had to spend your w.e on that :-(09:44
ogra_if you have raring already, better just upgrade though09:44
ogra_seb128, well, at least i had a fun birthday due to it :P09:45
seb128"fun"09:45
ogra_heh09:45
* Laney is trying xnox's flashing thingy09:45
seb128ogra_, happy birthday btw! ;-)09:45
ogra_heh, thanks :)09:45
ogra_so what i found is that there seems to be a /tmp/.X0-lock (and there is actually an X process in the processlist) that prevents ubiquity-dm from starting ... i have no clue where that process comes from09:46
ogra_and indeed beyond some pam warnings from lightdm not a single log has any info09:47
xnoxogra_: \o/ thanks for last-good-image09:47
ogra_xnox, well, its not as good as you woulld think :)09:47
xnoxLaney: =) usb-creator? --fastboot cause the user-job is not in place.09:47
* ogra_ did a test install and it was really painful, none of the ubiquity fixes are in there 09:48
Laneywhat?09:48
Laneyps. are you here?09:48
xnox"* Laney is trying xnox's flashing thingy" as in usb-creator that may or may not pop-up for you depending how recent usb-creator is for you.09:49
xnoxLaney: I woke up late, so started working from home.09:49
xnoxI am pondering to show up at lunch time tough.09:49
* xnox ...though(?!)09:49
Laneyit did pop up09:49
xnoxgood =)09:49
Laneythe time remaining never updates09:49
ogra_xnox, but it uses the current/ image, no ?09:50
Laneythat or 'Flashing user partition' has hung09:50
xnoxogra_: usb-creator doesn't download, so one has to pick/download/generate image oneself =)09:51
Laneyi think this isn't going to finish09:51
xnoxLaney: fastboot gives no progress indication so it's all fake =)09:51
ogra_ok09:51
Laneyhow long does it usually take?09:52
ogra_not more than 2min if i do it manually09:52
xnoxLaney: does it pulse? (3 minutes usually. 5 minutes safe)09:52
Laneyit's pulsing yeah09:52
xnoxso it should be still flashing. you should get a pop up soon saying it's rebooting.09:52
xnoxand then the installer will be unpacking the tarball.09:53
xnoxogra_: did plymouth fit into initramfs yet? cause I am thinking to show purple screen & feed unpacking tarball progress as plymouth messages with % updates if we can.09:53
Laneybeen way more than 5 minutes09:54
* Laney does it manually :P09:54
xnox(unplugging the tablet half way through may get it stuck =/ )09:55
TheMusoRAOF: Pulse problem fixed, puls dpeneds on libpulse0 harder now, should hit the mirrors soonish.10:12
TheMusoThanks for the report.10:12
czajkowskiTheMuso: what pulse problem, curious as having woeful issues all weekend, where I have to stab and do the deathly dance of killall to pulseaudio each time to play any file.10:14
TheMusoczajkowski: What version of Ubuntu are you running? This is fo rarring, there was a slight issue with an internal pulse lib and package upgrading for raring and pulse 3.10:15
czajkowskiTheMuso: yup raring10:16
TheMusoczajkowski: Ok, I don't think this will fix your issue, but please wait for pulseaudio 1:3.0-0ubuntu2 to be installed, file a bug, and plesae get a log from PulseAudio showing whats going on, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log.10:17
czajkowskinods will do thanks10:18
ogra_xnox, no, and it wont i fear, unless our kernel binary loses 2 of ots 4MB10:25
xnox*sigh*10:26
ogra_(or if plymouth itself goes on a diet, that one option i still wanted to look at)10:29
ogra_*thats10:29
ogra_for now though i need to find the issues with ubiquity-dm10:29
m4n1shmpt: i guess Stefano "cando" Candori gets a lot of praise too :)10:35
m4n1shplus diagnostic tab is still broken. Need to work on it10:35
mptm4n1sh, I could give you a list of small visual glitches to fix, if you like, or maybe would you prefer to leave that until later10:37
mptLooking at the Gnome Privacy stuff now10:38
mptLast time I looked at it I couldn't understand what any of the settings were for10:38
m4n1shmpt: tell me. Let me know10:47
mptm4n1sh, I'm in meetings right now, but I'll e-mail you (unless there's an appropriate list to mail instead)10:47
m4n1shyou would have to think how to merge the gnome3 privacy/sharing stuff here. I can't figure out much on that. Not very good at UI things10:47
m4n1shmpt: okay. not an issue. after you are done10:48
m4n1shmpt: when done, you can send it to:  me -at- manishsinha -dot- net10:49
mptok10:49
m4n1shis there anyone who can review a software sources merge proposal? I can't find mvo for a long time?10:50
xnoxm4n1sh: URL?10:52
m4n1shhttps://code.launchpad.net/~manishsinha/software-properties/fix-874766-updates-tab-failed-auth/+merge/14892410:52
m4n1shxnox: ^10:53
xnoxm4n1sh: looks simple enough, added to my todo list to follow up later.10:54
m4n1shxnox: I want to do the same for other drop downs too. maybe  i can do that too10:56
seb128desrt,11:01
seb128http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/11:01
seb128then instructions on11:01
seb128https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation#Manually_Installing_Ubuntu_13.04_on_Nexus_711:01
mptm4n1sh, has the 3.8 Privacy stuff changed since <http://afaikblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/privacy.png>?11:01
mptAnd is there an explanation of each of those options anywhere?11:02
m4n1shmpt: any idea what that "usage and history" is about?11:02
mptm4n1sh, no. :-)11:02
mptIt's a mysterious design.11:02
m4n1shand what does diagnostic mean? what kind of error reporting daemon does gnome have? am I missing something11:02
mptThere's some wireframes at <https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Privacy#Tentative_Guidelines>11:03
m4n1shwhatever the changes needed for ubuntu privacy would have to be done for 13.1011:04
desrtseb128: got it, thanks11:04
desrtseb128: what did we miss this morning, anyway?11:04
seb128coffee?11:05
m4n1shmpt: maybe I'll add ricotz PPA to see what is there in privacy of gnome 3.811:05
mptm4n1sh, LOL, "Location Services" is the name of a framework on iOS. They've copied it directly even though Gnome's framework has a different name.11:05
mpt(geoclue, right?)11:06
m4n1shoh yeah. Didn't they deprecate geoclue in favour of something else?11:06
mptdon't know11:06
m4n1shor did they deprecate something for geoclue. don't remember11:06
ogra_desrt, better make sure to always stay in portrait and have a kbd attached, else the install is painful11:12
desrtnoted11:13
* desrt is sitting at the 'preparing the root file system...' screen for a while now11:13
ogra_(the saddest part is that the current image has all xonx' fixes once i get the installer to run and works just flawless)11:14
ogra_*xnox11:14
xnoxwell, there are still some things to do =)11:15
seb128hum11:17
seb128adb is giving me a "error: device offline"11:17
seb128did anyone got that before?11:17
xnoxseb128: did you have latest android update on the nexus7, it know requires to authenticate each machine you want to adb from.11:19
xnoxby saying yes in the popup.11:19
xnox?11:19
seb128xnox, hum, no prompt that I can see11:20
seb128xnox, it's running android 4.2.2 yes11:21
xnoxfirst activate developer mode with 7x tap on the info item (or whatever it was) and then enable usb-debugging and then upon connecting a popup should appear on android.11:22
seb128xnox, how "connecting"?11:23
seb128I did enable the usb debugging, I can browse the mtp mount with nautilus11:23
cyphermoxso is everyone just having major issues flashing and installing on the devices?11:23
cyphermoxI'm reading backlog, saw desrt's and seb128's comments11:24
seb128cyphermox, current daily is broken, see the email I sent to the team this morning11:24
cyphermoxah11:24
cyphermoxdidn't get that far yet11:24
desrtogra_: so onscreen keyboard in the installer is pretty flaky...11:31
desrtis this what you were talking about?11:31
ogra_desrt, yes11:31
ogra_it works randomly after a few reboots, but i would really recommend to use a real kbd11:32
desrti did :)11:32
ogra_good :)11:32
ogra_after install all should be fine11:32
xnoxogra_: please seed oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu onto the image (if we have space) it's very pretty =)11:33
ogra_we dont have any space ... in fact we are 2M above the specced 660M already11:34
ogra_will do once i switched to xz though11:34
ogra_that should given us plenty of space back11:34
ogra_but is lower prio than finding out why ubiquity-dm misbehaves so badly indeed11:35
xnoxogra_: i currently blame the new accessibility framework upload. =)11:36
seb128xnox, internet suggests I need adb 1.0.31 for the secure stuff from android 4.2.211:37
* desrt upgrades11:38
xnoxseb128: argh. ok. Adding to my list to update asap.11:39
ogra_xnox, well, one of lightdm or ubiquity-dm is firing up an X server it doesnt attach to, then if ubiquity-dm starts (or respawns, not sure) there is the lock file that prevents it from starting ... if i hack around long enough i can get u-dm starting without issues though11:41
ogra_i doubt thats a11y related11:41
ogra_its eithetrt lightdm having become a lot faster and not respecting that u-dm wants to start, or upstart not respecting the "start on starting lightdm" in oem-configs start script or its u-dm itself failing on the first start and trying to respawn on the same display11:42
TheMusoWell we actually no longer need to explicitly load at-spi in ubiquity-dm any more, GTK should be able to do that when we use it, given that it uses libatk-bridge, which does the needed work of bringing up at-spi if its not yet running.11:45
TheMusoBefore we do that though, I'd better test to see if things still work proplery in the install environment.11:45
ogra_TheMuso, well, could it cause ubiquity-dm to crash ?11:46
TheMusoWith that code removed.11:46
TheMusoogra_: I wouldn't think so... That code has been there for quite a while now, at leas tthe at-spi code that is.11:46
ogra_right11:46
m4n1shmvo: ping11:54
m4n1shmvo: when you are free, can you have a look into the merge proposal on software-properties ?11:58
m4n1shis egg-list-box packaged for raring? can't find one. Or does it even have a release? Can't find neither the package nor a release12:39
kenvandinem4n1sh, i think there are some apps that have embedded it12:39
kenvandinelike empathy12:39
attenteseb128:12:39
attentehttps://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/gtk2-item-factory-separators12:39
attentehttps://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69407712:40
ubot2Gnome bug 694077 in general "GtkItemFactory doesn't make GtkSeparatorMenuItems" [Minor,Unconfirmed]12:40
seb128attente, thanks12:40
m4n1shkenvandine: means egg-list-box is part of empathy, but not as a separate package and dependent on it?12:40
kenvandinem4n1sh, yeah12:41
kenvandinei haven't seen it separate yet12:41
m4n1shkenvandine: and the one on gnome git does not work. the trunk is broken12:41
m4n1shMakefile.am:99: HAVE_INTROSPECTION does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL12:42
m4n1shMakefile.am: installing `./depcomp'12:42
m4n1shautoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 112:42
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vibhavWhere will notfications genertaed using libnotify appear?13:21
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seb128mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/112919115:29
ubot2Ubuntu bug 1129191 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "some updates can't be checked from the main list" [Undecided,New]15:29
mterryseb128, awesome.  Problems with my fix now though15:29
mterryseb128, I'll get this fixed right after I theme the screensaver prompt to look nicer15:29
qenghochrisccoulson: If you want to try building chromium beta, which I have not tried yet on armhf, try what's in my beta ppa: https://launchpad.net/~cmiller/+archive/chromium-browser-beta-daily/+packages16:06
mterryattente, bug 595615 is all I can find16:24
ubot2Launchpad bug 595615 in AppMenu GTK+ "emacs has special menus and entries" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59561516:24
mterryattente, that sounds familiar to me, but doesn't seem to have been fixed by me (despite me putting the blacklist in).  So I'm not sure there isn't another bug that I fixed with that blacklisting...  Of course, I didn't link my commit to a bug, because I'm a darned fool16:25
mterryattente, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/appmenu-gtk/blacklist-emacs/+merge/5793416:35
mdeslaurdesrt: your "a warning about glib" blog post says you want to know if something breaks...pygtk is apparently broken. bug 1103170, bug 110296016:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 1103170 in meld (Ubuntu) "meld crashed with TypeError in <lambda>(): <HistoryFileEntry object at 0x1e58960 (HistoryFileEntry at 0x1f08540)>: unknown signal name: changed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110317016:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 1102960 in dia (Ubuntu) "dia crashes on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110296016:47
desrtmdeslaur: we know about pygtk16:47
desrtmdeslaur: solution is to upgrade pygtk....16:47
desrtpitti: right?16:47
pittidesrt: well, the real solution is to port stuff to gtk 3 and GI :)16:47
mdeslaurdoesn't seem to be any recent commits in pygtk that would fix that16:48
pittidesrt: as I just said in #u-devel, I guess it's possible to fix pygtk16:48
desrtare the old gtk static bindings broken by the glib change?16:48
pittibut no idea how much effort that is16:48
desrtif they are and you can't fix it we'll have to back out the change :/16:48
pittiI'd much rather not do that16:49
desrtpitti: is it the same code?16:50
pittidesrt: no idea; I guess it's completely different; conceptually simpler, but structurally harder as the change is probably needed in a lot of different places16:51
pittibut that's just a hunch16:51
desrtunfortunately "port to gtk3" is not a viable suggestion16:52
mterryjdstrand, your recent merge for data/guest-session.apparmor_abstraction into lightdm is missing some files16:52
pittiso we need the spirit of http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=efcb0f9fd applied to pygtk16:52
desrtpitti: did i ever tell you that this is a beautiful commit?16:54
pittidesrt: I don't think so :) but it's just some technical jibberjabber, nothing particularly æsthetically pleasing :)16:55
desrtpitti: it's a thing of beauty.16:55
desrtand the world could use more beauty16:56
desrt;)16:56
pittiin my book, http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=15e717 is a beautiful commit :)16:56
pitti(789 removals, 161 additions)16:57
desrtpitti: so what form do you take bribes in?17:00
desrtand/or who else could i bother?17:00
pittidesrt: mostly a matter of finding time to fix it17:01
pittidesrt: potential victims are me or jdahlin; there might be some other former pygtk maintainers as well, of course17:02
pittineed to leave, time for Taekwondo17:04
pittiplease file a bug and assign, lest I forget17:04
desrtmdeslaur: ^17:17
mdeslaurdesrt, pitti: bug 112930917:31
desrtmdeslaur: probably should be upstream against pygtk17:31
mdeslaurah, yes, I'll file one17:31
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mdeslaurdesrt, pitti: upstream bugzilla #69410817:35
desrtmdeslaur: thanks17:35
desrtseb128: ^17:35
seb128desrt, mdeslaur: thanks17:35
desrtRAOF: hey.  got a second again?17:44
czajkowskiLaney: if you're looking for a nice curry place, head up towards london bridge and right beside borough market on the left is a tiny place, but does nice foods17:45
Laneyczajkowski: good info17:46
Laneygot a name?17:46
RAOFdesrt: Not so much, but could spare some cycles on IRC?17:47
czajkowskiLaney: it;s the only one, it's opposite a small newsagent and Reed HR17:47
Laneyaye17:47
desrtRAOF: ./X11/extensions/XI2proto.h:typedef xXIBarrierEvent xXIBarrierHitEvent;17:47
Laneywhen are you up?17:47
desrtwhat's up with 'x'?17:48
RAOFCrazy namespacing thing.17:48
desrthow do i get the version without leading 'x'?17:48
RAOFdesrt: XInput2.h17:50
desrtwhere do i get this?17:50
RAOFlibXi-dev, from memory?17:51
desrtthe one i have has no mention of XIBarrier17:51
desrtya... that's indeed where it comes from17:51
RAOFdesrt: Ah, right. You want the shiny new version, in canonical-x/staging.17:52
czajkowskiLaney: not gonna make it up this week, super busy and climbing walls17:52
czajkowskisorry :(17:53
Laneyclimbing... walls?17:53
RAOFdesrt: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging17:53
RAOFdesrt: Warning: will break your Unity ☺17:53
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pittimdeslaur: thanks20:59
mdeslaurpitti: thanks!21:00
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