[06:05] <pitti> Good morning
[07:37] <mlankhorst> morning
[09:37] <mpt> m4n1sh, great job so far!
[09:39] <ogra_> seb128, hey, doe the image suffice for you guys ?
[09:40] <ogra_> *does
[09:40] <Laney> the daily?
[09:41] <ogra_> no, th daily is dead, thats why i put a "last-good-image" subdir in place (and mailed seb about it)
[09:41] <Laney> ah
[09:41] <Laney> got a link?
[09:41] <ogra_> its not as "good" as the name suggests though ... but it at least boots you into the installer
[09:41] <Laney> nm, found
[09:42] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/
[09:42] <ogra_> make sure to always hold the device in portrait mode .... else it starts drawing the installer windows offscreen
[09:42] <Laney> I have one here from 31/1 that worked IIRC
[09:43] <ogra_> and if you dont want to reboot multiple times to make the onboard focus work, better attach a kbd during install
[09:43] <ogra_> after installl all is fine
[09:44] <ogra_> the actual brekage we have is super wierd though ... and i cant really find if its lightdm's, upstarts or ubiquity-dm's fault :/
[09:44] <seb128> ogra_, thanks, I got the email, that's useful to have this image for the people who need to reinstall their tablet
[09:44] <ogra_> yeah
[09:44] <seb128> ogra_, sorry you had to spend your w.e on that :-(
[09:44] <ogra_> if you have raring already, better just upgrade though
[09:45] <ogra_> seb128, well, at least i had a fun birthday due to it :P
[09:45] <seb128> "fun"
[09:45] <ogra_> heh
[09:45]  * Laney is trying xnox's flashing thingy
[09:45] <seb128> ogra_, happy birthday btw! ;-)
[09:45] <ogra_> heh, thanks :)
[09:46] <ogra_> so what i found is that there seems to be a /tmp/.X0-lock (and there is actually an X process in the processlist) that prevents ubiquity-dm from starting ... i have no clue where that process comes from
[09:47] <ogra_> and indeed beyond some pam warnings from lightdm not a single log has any info
[09:47] <xnox> ogra_: \o/ thanks for last-good-image
[09:47] <ogra_> xnox, well, its not as good as you woulld think :)
[09:47] <xnox> Laney: =) usb-creator? --fastboot cause the user-job is not in place.
[09:48]  * ogra_ did a test install and it was really painful, none of the ubiquity fixes are in there 
[09:48] <Laney> what?
[09:48] <Laney> ps. are you here?
[09:49] <xnox> "* Laney is trying xnox's flashing thingy" as in usb-creator that may or may not pop-up for you depending how recent usb-creator is for you.
[09:49] <xnox> Laney: I woke up late, so started working from home.
[09:49] <xnox> I am pondering to show up at lunch time tough.
[09:49]  * xnox ...though(?!)
[09:49] <Laney> it did pop up
[09:49] <xnox> good =)
[09:49] <Laney> the time remaining never updates
[09:50] <ogra_> xnox, but it uses the current/ image, no ?
[09:50] <Laney> that or 'Flashing user partition' has hung
[09:51] <xnox> ogra_: usb-creator doesn't download, so one has to pick/download/generate image oneself =)
[09:51] <Laney> i think this isn't going to finish
[09:51] <xnox> Laney: fastboot gives no progress indication so it's all fake =)
[09:51] <ogra_> ok
[09:52] <Laney> how long does it usually take?
[09:52] <ogra_> not more than 2min if i do it manually
[09:52] <xnox> Laney: does it pulse? (3 minutes usually. 5 minutes safe)
[09:52] <Laney> it's pulsing yeah
[09:52] <xnox> so it should be still flashing. you should get a pop up soon saying it's rebooting.
[09:53] <xnox> and then the installer will be unpacking the tarball.
[09:53] <xnox> ogra_: did plymouth fit into initramfs yet? cause I am thinking to show purple screen & feed unpacking tarball progress as plymouth messages with % updates if we can.
[09:54] <Laney> been way more than 5 minutes
[09:54]  * Laney does it manually :P
[09:55] <xnox> (unplugging the tablet half way through may get it stuck =/ )
[10:12] <TheMuso> RAOF: Pulse problem fixed, puls dpeneds on libpulse0 harder now, should hit the mirrors soonish.
[10:12] <TheMuso> Thanks for the report.
[10:14] <czajkowski> TheMuso: what pulse problem, curious as having woeful issues all weekend, where I have to stab and do the deathly dance of killall to pulseaudio each time to play any file.
[10:15] <TheMuso> czajkowski: What version of Ubuntu are you running? This is fo rarring, there was a slight issue with an internal pulse lib and package upgrading for raring and pulse 3.
[10:16] <czajkowski> TheMuso: yup raring
[10:17] <TheMuso> czajkowski: Ok, I don't think this will fix your issue, but please wait for pulseaudio 1:3.0-0ubuntu2 to be installed, file a bug, and plesae get a log from PulseAudio showing whats going on, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log.
[10:18] <czajkowski> nods will do thanks
[10:25] <ogra_> xnox, no, and it wont i fear, unless our kernel binary loses 2 of ots 4MB
[10:26] <xnox> *sigh*
[10:29] <ogra_> (or if plymouth itself goes on a diet, that one option i still wanted to look at)
[10:29] <ogra_> *thats
[10:29] <ogra_> for now though i need to find the issues with ubiquity-dm
[10:35] <m4n1sh> mpt: i guess Stefano "cando" Candori gets a lot of praise too :)
[10:35] <m4n1sh> plus diagnostic tab is still broken. Need to work on it
[10:37] <mpt> m4n1sh, I could give you a list of small visual glitches to fix, if you like, or maybe would you prefer to leave that until later
[10:38] <mpt> Looking at the Gnome Privacy stuff now
[10:38] <mpt> Last time I looked at it I couldn't understand what any of the settings were for
[10:47] <m4n1sh> mpt: tell me. Let me know
[10:47] <mpt> m4n1sh, I'm in meetings right now, but I'll e-mail you (unless there's an appropriate list to mail instead)
[10:47] <m4n1sh> you would have to think how to merge the gnome3 privacy/sharing stuff here. I can't figure out much on that. Not very good at UI things
[10:48] <m4n1sh> mpt: okay. not an issue. after you are done
[10:49] <m4n1sh> mpt: when done, you can send it to:  me -at- manishsinha -dot- net
[10:49] <mpt> ok
[10:50] <m4n1sh> is there anyone who can review a software sources merge proposal? I can't find mvo for a long time?
[10:52] <xnox> m4n1sh: URL?
[10:52] <m4n1sh> https://code.launchpad.net/~manishsinha/software-properties/fix-874766-updates-tab-failed-auth/+merge/148924
[10:53] <m4n1sh> xnox: ^
[10:54] <xnox> m4n1sh: looks simple enough, added to my todo list to follow up later.
[10:56] <m4n1sh> xnox: I want to do the same for other drop downs too. maybe  i can do that too
[11:01] <seb128> desrt,
[11:01] <seb128> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/
[11:01] <seb128> then instructions on
[11:01] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation#Manually_Installing_Ubuntu_13.04_on_Nexus_7
[11:01] <mpt> m4n1sh, has the 3.8 Privacy stuff changed since <http://afaikblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/privacy.png>?
[11:02] <mpt> And is there an explanation of each of those options anywhere?
[11:02] <m4n1sh> mpt: any idea what that "usage and history" is about?
[11:02] <mpt> m4n1sh, no. :-)
[11:02] <mpt> It's a mysterious design.
[11:02] <m4n1sh> and what does diagnostic mean? what kind of error reporting daemon does gnome have? am I missing something
[11:03] <mpt> There's some wireframes at <https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Privacy#Tentative_Guidelines>
[11:04] <m4n1sh> whatever the changes needed for ubuntu privacy would have to be done for 13.10
[11:04] <desrt> seb128: got it, thanks
[11:04] <desrt> seb128: what did we miss this morning, anyway?
[11:05] <seb128> coffee?
[11:05] <m4n1sh> mpt: maybe I'll add ricotz PPA to see what is there in privacy of gnome 3.8
[11:05] <mpt> m4n1sh, LOL, "Location Services" is the name of a framework on iOS. They've copied it directly even though Gnome's framework has a different name.
[11:06] <mpt> (geoclue, right?)
[11:06] <m4n1sh> oh yeah. Didn't they deprecate geoclue in favour of something else?
[11:06] <mpt> don't know
[11:06] <m4n1sh> or did they deprecate something for geoclue. don't remember
[11:12] <ogra_> desrt, better make sure to always stay in portrait and have a kbd attached, else the install is painful
[11:13] <desrt> noted
[11:13]  * desrt is sitting at the 'preparing the root file system...' screen for a while now
[11:14] <ogra_> (the saddest part is that the current image has all xonx' fixes once i get the installer to run and works just flawless)
[11:14] <ogra_> *xnox
[11:15] <xnox> well, there are still some things to do =)
[11:17] <seb128> hum
[11:17] <seb128> adb is giving me a "error: device offline"
[11:17] <seb128> did anyone got that before?
[11:19] <xnox> seb128: did you have latest android update on the nexus7, it know requires to authenticate each machine you want to adb from.
[11:19] <xnox> by saying yes in the popup.
[11:19] <xnox> ?
[11:20] <seb128> xnox, hum, no prompt that I can see
[11:21] <seb128> xnox, it's running android 4.2.2 yes
[11:22] <xnox> first activate developer mode with 7x tap on the info item (or whatever it was) and then enable usb-debugging and then upon connecting a popup should appear on android.
[11:23] <seb128> xnox, how "connecting"?
[11:23] <seb128> I did enable the usb debugging, I can browse the mtp mount with nautilus
[11:23] <cyphermox> so is everyone just having major issues flashing and installing on the devices?
[11:24] <cyphermox> I'm reading backlog, saw desrt's and seb128's comments
[11:24] <seb128> cyphermox, current daily is broken, see the email I sent to the team this morning
[11:24] <cyphermox> ah
[11:24] <cyphermox> didn't get that far yet
[11:31] <desrt> ogra_: so onscreen keyboard in the installer is pretty flaky...
[11:31] <desrt> is this what you were talking about?
[11:31] <ogra_> desrt, yes
[11:32] <ogra_> it works randomly after a few reboots, but i would really recommend to use a real kbd
[11:32] <desrt> i did :)
[11:32] <ogra_> good :)
[11:32] <ogra_> after install all should be fine
[11:33] <xnox> ogra_: please seed oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu onto the image (if we have space) it's very pretty =)
[11:34] <ogra_> we dont have any space ... in fact we are 2M above the specced 660M already
[11:34] <ogra_> will do once i switched to xz though
[11:34] <ogra_> that should given us plenty of space back
[11:35] <ogra_> but is lower prio than finding out why ubiquity-dm misbehaves so badly indeed
[11:36] <xnox> ogra_: i currently blame the new accessibility framework upload. =)
[11:37] <seb128> xnox, internet suggests I need adb 1.0.31 for the secure stuff from android 4.2.2
[11:38]  * desrt upgrades
[11:39] <xnox> seb128: argh. ok. Adding to my list to update asap.
[11:41] <ogra_> xnox, well, one of lightdm or ubiquity-dm is firing up an X server it doesnt attach to, then if ubiquity-dm starts (or respawns, not sure) there is the lock file that prevents it from starting ... if i hack around long enough i can get u-dm starting without issues though
[11:41] <ogra_> i doubt thats a11y related
[11:42] <ogra_> its eithetrt lightdm having become a lot faster and not respecting that u-dm wants to start, or upstart not respecting the "start on starting lightdm" in oem-configs start script or its u-dm itself failing on the first start and trying to respawn on the same display
[11:45] <TheMuso> Well we actually no longer need to explicitly load at-spi in ubiquity-dm any more, GTK should be able to do that when we use it, given that it uses libatk-bridge, which does the needed work of bringing up at-spi if its not yet running.
[11:45] <TheMuso> Before we do that though, I'd better test to see if things still work proplery in the install environment.
[11:46] <ogra_> TheMuso, well, could it cause ubiquity-dm to crash ?
[11:46] <TheMuso> With that code removed.
[11:46] <TheMuso> ogra_: I wouldn't think so... That code has been there for quite a while now, at leas tthe at-spi code that is.
[11:46] <ogra_> right
[11:54] <m4n1sh> mvo: ping
[11:58] <m4n1sh> mvo: when you are free, can you have a look into the merge proposal on software-properties ?
[12:39] <m4n1sh> is egg-list-box packaged for raring? can't find one. Or does it even have a release? Can't find neither the package nor a release
[12:39] <kenvandine> m4n1sh, i think there are some apps that have embedded it
[12:39] <kenvandine> like empathy
[12:39] <attente> seb128:
[12:39] <attente> https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/gtk2-item-factory-separators
[12:40] <attente> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694077
[12:40] <ubot2> Gnome bug 694077 in general "GtkItemFactory doesn't make GtkSeparatorMenuItems" [Minor,Unconfirmed]
[12:40] <seb128> attente, thanks
[12:40] <m4n1sh> kenvandine: means egg-list-box is part of empathy, but not as a separate package and dependent on it?
[12:41] <kenvandine> m4n1sh, yeah
[12:41] <kenvandine> i haven't seen it separate yet
[12:41] <m4n1sh> kenvandine: and the one on gnome git does not work. the trunk is broken
[12:42] <m4n1sh> Makefile.am:99: HAVE_INTROSPECTION does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
[12:42] <m4n1sh> Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp'
[12:42] <m4n1sh> autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1
[13:21] <vibhav> Where will notfications genertaed using libnotify appear?
[15:29] <seb128> mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1129191
[15:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1129191 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "some updates can't be checked from the main list" [Undecided,New]
[15:29] <mterry> seb128, awesome.  Problems with my fix now though
[15:29] <mterry> seb128, I'll get this fixed right after I theme the screensaver prompt to look nicer
[16:06] <qengho> chrisccoulson: If you want to try building chromium beta, which I have not tried yet on armhf, try what's in my beta ppa: https://launchpad.net/~cmiller/+archive/chromium-browser-beta-daily/+packages
[16:24] <mterry> attente, bug 595615 is all I can find
[16:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595615 in AppMenu GTK+ "emacs has special menus and entries" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595615
[16:25] <mterry> attente, that sounds familiar to me, but doesn't seem to have been fixed by me (despite me putting the blacklist in).  So I'm not sure there isn't another bug that I fixed with that blacklisting...  Of course, I didn't link my commit to a bug, because I'm a darned fool
[16:35] <mterry> attente, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/appmenu-gtk/blacklist-emacs/+merge/57934
[16:47] <mdeslaur> desrt: your "a warning about glib" blog post says you want to know if something breaks...pygtk is apparently broken. bug 1103170, bug 1102960
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1103170 in meld (Ubuntu) "meld crashed with TypeError in <lambda>(): <HistoryFileEntry object at 0x1e58960 (HistoryFileEntry at 0x1f08540)>: unknown signal name: changed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103170
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1102960 in dia (Ubuntu) "dia crashes on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1102960
[16:47] <desrt> mdeslaur: we know about pygtk
[16:47] <desrt> mdeslaur: solution is to upgrade pygtk....
[16:47] <desrt> pitti: right?
[16:47] <pitti> desrt: well, the real solution is to port stuff to gtk 3 and GI :)
[16:48] <mdeslaur> doesn't seem to be any recent commits in pygtk that would fix that
[16:48] <pitti> desrt: as I just said in #u-devel, I guess it's possible to fix pygtk
[16:48] <desrt> are the old gtk static bindings broken by the glib change?
[16:48] <pitti> but no idea how much effort that is
[16:48] <desrt> if they are and you can't fix it we'll have to back out the change :/
[16:49] <pitti> I'd much rather not do that
[16:50] <desrt> pitti: is it the same code?
[16:51] <pitti> desrt: no idea; I guess it's completely different; conceptually simpler, but structurally harder as the change is probably needed in a lot of different places
[16:51] <pitti> but that's just a hunch
[16:52] <desrt> unfortunately "port to gtk3" is not a viable suggestion
[16:52] <mterry> jdstrand, your recent merge for data/guest-session.apparmor_abstraction into lightdm is missing some files
[16:52] <pitti> so we need the spirit of http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=efcb0f9fd applied to pygtk
[16:54] <desrt> pitti: did i ever tell you that this is a beautiful commit?
[16:55] <pitti> desrt: I don't think so :) but it's just some technical jibberjabber, nothing particularly æsthetically pleasing :)
[16:55] <desrt> pitti: it's a thing of beauty.
[16:56] <desrt> and the world could use more beauty
[16:56] <desrt> ;)
[16:56] <pitti> in my book, http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=15e717 is a beautiful commit :)
[16:57] <pitti> (789 removals, 161 additions)
[17:00] <desrt> pitti: so what form do you take bribes in?
[17:00] <desrt> and/or who else could i bother?
[17:01] <pitti> desrt: mostly a matter of finding time to fix it
[17:02] <pitti> desrt: potential victims are me or jdahlin; there might be some other former pygtk maintainers as well, of course
[17:04] <pitti> need to leave, time for Taekwondo
[17:04] <pitti> please file a bug and assign, lest I forget
[17:17] <desrt> mdeslaur: ^
[17:31] <mdeslaur> desrt, pitti: bug 1129309
[17:31] <desrt> mdeslaur: probably should be upstream against pygtk
[17:31] <mdeslaur> ah, yes, I'll file one
[17:35] <mdeslaur> desrt, pitti: upstream bugzilla #694108
[17:35] <desrt> mdeslaur: thanks
[17:35] <desrt> seb128: ^
[17:35] <seb128> desrt, mdeslaur: thanks
[17:44] <desrt> RAOF: hey.  got a second again?
[17:45] <czajkowski> Laney: if you're looking for a nice curry place, head up towards london bridge and right beside borough market on the left is a tiny place, but does nice foods
[17:46] <Laney> czajkowski: good info
[17:46] <Laney> got a name?
[17:47] <RAOF> desrt: Not so much, but could spare some cycles on IRC?
[17:47] <czajkowski> Laney: it;s the only one, it's opposite a small newsagent and Reed HR
[17:47] <Laney> aye
[17:47] <desrt> RAOF: ./X11/extensions/XI2proto.h:typedef xXIBarrierEvent xXIBarrierHitEvent;
[17:47] <Laney> when are you up?
[17:48] <desrt> what's up with 'x'?
[17:48] <RAOF> Crazy namespacing thing.
[17:48] <desrt> how do i get the version without leading 'x'?
[17:50] <RAOF> desrt: XInput2.h
[17:50] <desrt> where do i get this?
[17:51] <RAOF> libXi-dev, from memory?
[17:51] <desrt> the one i have has no mention of XIBarrier
[17:51] <desrt> ya... that's indeed where it comes from
[17:52] <RAOF> desrt: Ah, right. You want the shiny new version, in canonical-x/staging.
[17:52] <czajkowski> Laney: not gonna make it up this week, super busy and climbing walls
[17:53] <czajkowski> sorry :(
[17:53] <Laney> climbing... walls?
[17:53] <RAOF> desrt: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging
[17:53] <RAOF> desrt: Warning: will break your Unity ☺
[20:59] <pitti> mdeslaur: thanks
[21:00] <mdeslaur> pitti: thanks!