[06:05] Good morning [07:37] morning === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ [09:37] m4n1sh, great job so far! [09:39] seb128, hey, doe the image suffice for you guys ? [09:40] *does [09:40] the daily? [09:41] no, th daily is dead, thats why i put a "last-good-image" subdir in place (and mailed seb about it) [09:41] ah [09:41] got a link? [09:41] its not as "good" as the name suggests though ... but it at least boots you into the installer [09:41] nm, found [09:42] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/ [09:42] make sure to always hold the device in portrait mode .... else it starts drawing the installer windows offscreen [09:42] I have one here from 31/1 that worked IIRC [09:43] and if you dont want to reboot multiple times to make the onboard focus work, better attach a kbd during install === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [09:43] after installl all is fine [09:44] the actual brekage we have is super wierd though ... and i cant really find if its lightdm's, upstarts or ubiquity-dm's fault :/ [09:44] ogra_, thanks, I got the email, that's useful to have this image for the people who need to reinstall their tablet [09:44] yeah [09:44] ogra_, sorry you had to spend your w.e on that :-( [09:44] if you have raring already, better just upgrade though [09:45] seb128, well, at least i had a fun birthday due to it :P [09:45] "fun" [09:45] heh [09:45] * Laney is trying xnox's flashing thingy [09:45] ogra_, happy birthday btw! ;-) [09:45] heh, thanks :) [09:46] so what i found is that there seems to be a /tmp/.X0-lock (and there is actually an X process in the processlist) that prevents ubiquity-dm from starting ... i have no clue where that process comes from [09:47] and indeed beyond some pam warnings from lightdm not a single log has any info [09:47] ogra_: \o/ thanks for last-good-image [09:47] xnox, well, its not as good as you woulld think :) [09:47] Laney: =) usb-creator? --fastboot cause the user-job is not in place. [09:48] * ogra_ did a test install and it was really painful, none of the ubiquity fixes are in there [09:48] what? [09:48] ps. are you here? [09:49] "* Laney is trying xnox's flashing thingy" as in usb-creator that may or may not pop-up for you depending how recent usb-creator is for you. [09:49] Laney: I woke up late, so started working from home. [09:49] I am pondering to show up at lunch time tough. [09:49] * xnox ...though(?!) [09:49] it did pop up [09:49] good =) [09:49] the time remaining never updates [09:50] xnox, but it uses the current/ image, no ? [09:50] that or 'Flashing user partition' has hung [09:51] ogra_: usb-creator doesn't download, so one has to pick/download/generate image oneself =) [09:51] i think this isn't going to finish [09:51] Laney: fastboot gives no progress indication so it's all fake =) [09:51] ok [09:52] how long does it usually take? [09:52] not more than 2min if i do it manually [09:52] Laney: does it pulse? (3 minutes usually. 5 minutes safe) [09:52] it's pulsing yeah [09:52] so it should be still flashing. you should get a pop up soon saying it's rebooting. [09:53] and then the installer will be unpacking the tarball. [09:53] ogra_: did plymouth fit into initramfs yet? cause I am thinking to show purple screen & feed unpacking tarball progress as plymouth messages with % updates if we can. [09:54] been way more than 5 minutes [09:54] * Laney does it manually :P [09:55] (unplugging the tablet half way through may get it stuck =/ ) [10:12] RAOF: Pulse problem fixed, puls dpeneds on libpulse0 harder now, should hit the mirrors soonish. [10:12] Thanks for the report. [10:14] TheMuso: what pulse problem, curious as having woeful issues all weekend, where I have to stab and do the deathly dance of killall to pulseaudio each time to play any file. [10:15] czajkowski: What version of Ubuntu are you running? This is fo rarring, there was a slight issue with an internal pulse lib and package upgrading for raring and pulse 3. [10:16] TheMuso: yup raring [10:17] czajkowski: Ok, I don't think this will fix your issue, but please wait for pulseaudio 1:3.0-0ubuntu2 to be installed, file a bug, and plesae get a log from PulseAudio showing whats going on, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log. [10:18] nods will do thanks [10:25] xnox, no, and it wont i fear, unless our kernel binary loses 2 of ots 4MB [10:26] *sigh* [10:29] (or if plymouth itself goes on a diet, that one option i still wanted to look at) [10:29] *thats [10:29] for now though i need to find the issues with ubiquity-dm [10:35] mpt: i guess Stefano "cando" Candori gets a lot of praise too :) [10:35] plus diagnostic tab is still broken. Need to work on it [10:37] m4n1sh, I could give you a list of small visual glitches to fix, if you like, or maybe would you prefer to leave that until later [10:38] Looking at the Gnome Privacy stuff now [10:38] Last time I looked at it I couldn't understand what any of the settings were for [10:47] mpt: tell me. Let me know [10:47] m4n1sh, I'm in meetings right now, but I'll e-mail you (unless there's an appropriate list to mail instead) [10:47] you would have to think how to merge the gnome3 privacy/sharing stuff here. I can't figure out much on that. Not very good at UI things [10:48] mpt: okay. not an issue. after you are done [10:49] mpt: when done, you can send it to: me -at- manishsinha -dot- net [10:49] ok [10:50] is there anyone who can review a software sources merge proposal? I can't find mvo for a long time? [10:52] m4n1sh: URL? [10:52] https://code.launchpad.net/~manishsinha/software-properties/fix-874766-updates-tab-failed-auth/+merge/148924 [10:53] xnox: ^ [10:54] m4n1sh: looks simple enough, added to my todo list to follow up later. [10:56] xnox: I want to do the same for other drop downs too. maybe i can do that too [11:01] desrt, [11:01] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/ [11:01] then instructions on [11:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation#Manually_Installing_Ubuntu_13.04_on_Nexus_7 [11:01] m4n1sh, has the 3.8 Privacy stuff changed since ? [11:02] And is there an explanation of each of those options anywhere? [11:02] mpt: any idea what that "usage and history" is about? [11:02] m4n1sh, no. :-) [11:02] It's a mysterious design. [11:02] and what does diagnostic mean? what kind of error reporting daemon does gnome have? am I missing something [11:03] There's some wireframes at [11:04] whatever the changes needed for ubuntu privacy would have to be done for 13.10 [11:04] seb128: got it, thanks [11:04] seb128: what did we miss this morning, anyway? [11:05] coffee? [11:05] mpt: maybe I'll add ricotz PPA to see what is there in privacy of gnome 3.8 [11:05] m4n1sh, LOL, "Location Services" is the name of a framework on iOS. They've copied it directly even though Gnome's framework has a different name. [11:06] (geoclue, right?) [11:06] oh yeah. Didn't they deprecate geoclue in favour of something else? [11:06] don't know [11:06] or did they deprecate something for geoclue. don't remember [11:12] desrt, better make sure to always stay in portrait and have a kbd attached, else the install is painful [11:13] noted [11:13] * desrt is sitting at the 'preparing the root file system...' screen for a while now [11:14] (the saddest part is that the current image has all xonx' fixes once i get the installer to run and works just flawless) [11:14] *xnox [11:15] well, there are still some things to do =) [11:17] hum [11:17] adb is giving me a "error: device offline" [11:17] did anyone got that before? [11:19] seb128: did you have latest android update on the nexus7, it know requires to authenticate each machine you want to adb from. [11:19] by saying yes in the popup. [11:19] ? [11:20] xnox, hum, no prompt that I can see [11:21] xnox, it's running android 4.2.2 yes [11:22] first activate developer mode with 7x tap on the info item (or whatever it was) and then enable usb-debugging and then upon connecting a popup should appear on android. [11:23] xnox, how "connecting"? [11:23] I did enable the usb debugging, I can browse the mtp mount with nautilus [11:23] so is everyone just having major issues flashing and installing on the devices? [11:24] I'm reading backlog, saw desrt's and seb128's comments [11:24] cyphermox, current daily is broken, see the email I sent to the team this morning [11:24] ah [11:24] didn't get that far yet [11:31] ogra_: so onscreen keyboard in the installer is pretty flaky... [11:31] is this what you were talking about? [11:31] desrt, yes [11:32] it works randomly after a few reboots, but i would really recommend to use a real kbd [11:32] i did :) [11:32] good :) [11:32] after install all should be fine [11:33] ogra_: please seed oem-config-slideshow-ubuntu onto the image (if we have space) it's very pretty =) [11:34] we dont have any space ... in fact we are 2M above the specced 660M already [11:34] will do once i switched to xz though [11:34] that should given us plenty of space back [11:35] but is lower prio than finding out why ubiquity-dm misbehaves so badly indeed [11:36] ogra_: i currently blame the new accessibility framework upload. =) [11:37] xnox, internet suggests I need adb 1.0.31 for the secure stuff from android 4.2.2 [11:38] * desrt upgrades [11:39] seb128: argh. ok. Adding to my list to update asap. [11:41] xnox, well, one of lightdm or ubiquity-dm is firing up an X server it doesnt attach to, then if ubiquity-dm starts (or respawns, not sure) there is the lock file that prevents it from starting ... if i hack around long enough i can get u-dm starting without issues though [11:41] i doubt thats a11y related [11:42] its eithetrt lightdm having become a lot faster and not respecting that u-dm wants to start, or upstart not respecting the "start on starting lightdm" in oem-configs start script or its u-dm itself failing on the first start and trying to respawn on the same display [11:45] Well we actually no longer need to explicitly load at-spi in ubiquity-dm any more, GTK should be able to do that when we use it, given that it uses libatk-bridge, which does the needed work of bringing up at-spi if its not yet running. [11:45] Before we do that though, I'd better test to see if things still work proplery in the install environment. [11:46] TheMuso, well, could it cause ubiquity-dm to crash ? [11:46] With that code removed. [11:46] ogra_: I wouldn't think so... That code has been there for quite a while now, at leas tthe at-spi code that is. [11:46] right [11:54] mvo: ping [11:58] mvo: when you are free, can you have a look into the merge proposal on software-properties ? [12:39] is egg-list-box packaged for raring? can't find one. Or does it even have a release? Can't find neither the package nor a release [12:39] m4n1sh, i think there are some apps that have embedded it [12:39] like empathy [12:39] seb128: [12:39] https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/gtk2-item-factory-separators [12:40] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694077 [12:40] Gnome bug 694077 in general "GtkItemFactory doesn't make GtkSeparatorMenuItems" [Minor,Unconfirmed] [12:40] attente, thanks [12:40] kenvandine: means egg-list-box is part of empathy, but not as a separate package and dependent on it? [12:41] m4n1sh, yeah [12:41] i haven't seen it separate yet [12:41] kenvandine: and the one on gnome git does not work. the trunk is broken [12:42] Makefile.am:99: HAVE_INTROSPECTION does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL [12:42] Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' [12:42] autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1 === francisco is now known as Guest5868 [13:21] Where will notfications genertaed using libnotify appear? === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [15:29] mterry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1129191 [15:29] Ubuntu bug 1129191 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "some updates can't be checked from the main list" [Undecided,New] [15:29] seb128, awesome. Problems with my fix now though [15:29] seb128, I'll get this fixed right after I theme the screensaver prompt to look nicer [16:06] chrisccoulson: If you want to try building chromium beta, which I have not tried yet on armhf, try what's in my beta ppa: https://launchpad.net/~cmiller/+archive/chromium-browser-beta-daily/+packages [16:24] attente, bug 595615 is all I can find [16:24] Launchpad bug 595615 in AppMenu GTK+ "emacs has special menus and entries" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595615 [16:25] attente, that sounds familiar to me, but doesn't seem to have been fixed by me (despite me putting the blacklist in). So I'm not sure there isn't another bug that I fixed with that blacklisting... Of course, I didn't link my commit to a bug, because I'm a darned fool [16:35] attente, and https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/appmenu-gtk/blacklist-emacs/+merge/57934 [16:47] desrt: your "a warning about glib" blog post says you want to know if something breaks...pygtk is apparently broken. bug 1103170, bug 1102960 [16:47] Launchpad bug 1103170 in meld (Ubuntu) "meld crashed with TypeError in (): : unknown signal name: changed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103170 [16:47] Launchpad bug 1102960 in dia (Ubuntu) "dia crashes on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1102960 [16:47] mdeslaur: we know about pygtk [16:47] mdeslaur: solution is to upgrade pygtk.... [16:47] pitti: right? [16:47] desrt: well, the real solution is to port stuff to gtk 3 and GI :) [16:48] doesn't seem to be any recent commits in pygtk that would fix that [16:48] desrt: as I just said in #u-devel, I guess it's possible to fix pygtk [16:48] are the old gtk static bindings broken by the glib change? [16:48] but no idea how much effort that is [16:48] if they are and you can't fix it we'll have to back out the change :/ [16:49] I'd much rather not do that [16:50] pitti: is it the same code? [16:51] desrt: no idea; I guess it's completely different; conceptually simpler, but structurally harder as the change is probably needed in a lot of different places [16:51] but that's just a hunch [16:52] unfortunately "port to gtk3" is not a viable suggestion [16:52] jdstrand, your recent merge for data/guest-session.apparmor_abstraction into lightdm is missing some files [16:52] so we need the spirit of http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=efcb0f9fd applied to pygtk [16:54] pitti: did i ever tell you that this is a beautiful commit? [16:55] desrt: I don't think so :) but it's just some technical jibberjabber, nothing particularly æsthetically pleasing :) [16:55] pitti: it's a thing of beauty. [16:56] and the world could use more beauty [16:56] ;) [16:56] in my book, http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?id=15e717 is a beautiful commit :) [16:57] (789 removals, 161 additions) [17:00] pitti: so what form do you take bribes in? [17:00] and/or who else could i bother? [17:01] desrt: mostly a matter of finding time to fix it [17:02] desrt: potential victims are me or jdahlin; there might be some other former pygtk maintainers as well, of course [17:04] need to leave, time for Taekwondo [17:04] please file a bug and assign, lest I forget [17:17] mdeslaur: ^ [17:31] desrt, pitti: bug 1129309 [17:31] mdeslaur: probably should be upstream against pygtk [17:31] ah, yes, I'll file one === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [17:35] desrt, pitti: upstream bugzilla #694108 [17:35] mdeslaur: thanks [17:35] seb128: ^ [17:35] desrt, mdeslaur: thanks [17:44] RAOF: hey. got a second again? [17:45] Laney: if you're looking for a nice curry place, head up towards london bridge and right beside borough market on the left is a tiny place, but does nice foods [17:46] czajkowski: good info [17:46] got a name? [17:47] desrt: Not so much, but could spare some cycles on IRC? [17:47] Laney: it;s the only one, it's opposite a small newsagent and Reed HR [17:47] aye [17:47] RAOF: ./X11/extensions/XI2proto.h:typedef xXIBarrierEvent xXIBarrierHitEvent; [17:47] when are you up? [17:48] what's up with 'x'? [17:48] Crazy namespacing thing. [17:48] how do i get the version without leading 'x'? [17:50] desrt: XInput2.h [17:50] where do i get this? [17:51] libXi-dev, from memory? [17:51] the one i have has no mention of XIBarrier [17:51] ya... that's indeed where it comes from [17:52] desrt: Ah, right. You want the shiny new version, in canonical-x/staging. [17:52] Laney: not gonna make it up this week, super busy and climbing walls [17:53] sorry :( [17:53] climbing... walls? [17:53] desrt: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging [17:53] desrt: Warning: will break your Unity ☺ === francisco is now known as Guest44847 [20:59] mdeslaur: thanks [21:00] pitti: thanks! === charles_ is now known as charles === highvoltage is now known as hv-onlogged