[07:18] <FelixTheCat> i am trying to install ubuntu on my old laptop however when i boot the installer it goes into a busybox prompt
[07:19] <FelixTheCat> whats going on with it?
[08:00] <popey> Morning!
[08:46] <AlanBell> morning
[09:00] <Myrtti> oooo bacon http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/90185754/
[09:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[09:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:20] <directhex> Myrtti, no, not ooh. they phased out the venerable KLAPPAR series to bring in cuddly breakfasts and broccoli!
[09:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:21] <Myrtti> baconbaconbacon
[09:21] <bigcalm> directhex: I gave in. Nuked the HDD, set the bios to legacy, reinstalled windows, added an ssd and installed ubuntu. Otherwise I spent far too long getting a work machine working
[09:22] <bigcalm> BACON!
[09:24] <directhex> tasty 8086 boot!
[09:29] <bigcalm> It works :)
[09:29] <popey> \o/
[09:29] <bigcalm> Indeed
[09:30] <bigcalm> I'm still using the free nvidia driver. I fear that my set-up will die if I try to use the binary driver
[09:30] <bigcalm> Or that I'll no longer have my usable 3 monitor set-up as retweeted and faved by far too many people yesterday :)
[09:31] <popey> surprised the free driver lets you do 3 monitors
[09:31] <bigcalm> As am I
[09:31] <bigcalm> I'm more surprised that it let me rotate one of them
[09:32] <mungbean_> i've been nervous about breakage with nvidia driver as when i moved to a more powerful system i've experienced more lockups etc
[09:32] <bigcalm> I still have a spare HDMI port from the onboard intel gfx. Keep telling myself that I don't need to use it
[09:32] <mungbean_> pretty sure it's chrome though
[09:32] <bigcalm> compiz is the bane of my existence right now
[09:33] <mungbean_> left my old core2duo running in my old office. used it the other day for first time in many months...worked nice and fast still (no reboots or anything inthe mean time)
[09:33] <mungbean_> i've changed DE many times in the hope that the DE was the problem
[09:33] <bigcalm> mungbean_: glad that you've changed the DE and not the whole distro
[09:34] <directhex> not every generation of intel can drive >2 monitors
[09:34] <popey> ]yeah, my x220 cant
[09:34] <mungbean_> often my i/o goes crazy and disk light permanently on - either it's a rogue process swapping mem like crazy or i/o like crazy. consdering i forgot to enable swap for a while , i figure it's probably the latter
[09:35] <ali1234> i/o problems
[09:35] <ali1234> :(
[09:35] <mungbean_> bigcalm: yo could argue i'm on a different distro now, cos i'musing elementary (uses ubuntu base)
[09:36] <mungbean_> ali1234: due to chrome i think though. i regularly have 30-50 tabs open.
[09:36] <ali1234> i found the i/o freezing bug is not caused by usb... saw it happen on main hard drive yesterday
[09:36] <ali1234> bitcoin will trigger it when downloading blocks
[09:36] <mungbean_> after 15 mins i manage to get into ctrl-alt-f1 and kill off chrome
[09:36] <ali1234> i think it is the reason why TF2 takes about 5 minutes to connect to a server as well
[09:36] <mungbean_> by then it's usually recovered though
[09:37] <mungbean_> however my old pc running 10.04 doesn't seem to have that problem
[09:37] <mungbean_> and i've tried various new pcs since then with new distros - just unsure if my use case is now different
[09:37] <mungbean_> i'm accessing more heavy websites now
[09:38] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure it is something to do with the way ubuntu kernel is configured
[09:38] <mungbean_> used to only be windows that would be unresponsive when you unlock your screen after the weekend :(
[09:38] <ali1234> i have 16GB ram... so it's not caused by swapping
[09:39] <ali1234> although swapping can cause it, it can also happen when i have plenty of free ram
[09:39] <popey> yeah, 8GB RAM here, not swapping that causes it here either
[09:39] <popey> tried changing which io scheduler is used?
[09:41] <ali1234> no, but i could give it a go
[09:41] <ali1234> pretty easy to reproduce it with bitcoin
[09:41] <mungbean_> my birth certificate got stolen in a burglary at mums house at the weekend - any advice?
[09:41] <mungbean_> they only took the meal box with birth certs and title deeds etc
[09:41] <ali1234> just run it, and watch the computer freeze for 5 seconds, then fine for 10 seconds, then freeze for 5 seconds... etc
[09:41] <popey> hmm, i haven't had that ali1234
[09:42] <popey> the official client in the repo, yes?
[09:42] <popey> "official"
[09:42] <ali1234> my bitcoin was a couple of thousand blocks behind the main chain
[09:42] <ali1234> while catching up, it did this
[09:42] <popey> yeah, mine was too recentlyt
[09:42] <ali1234> if you start from scratch, it may not do it until the DB grows huge
[09:42] <ali1234> and yeah, repo client
[09:42] <ali1234> the new 0.8 series is supposed to have much lighter db functions
[09:43] <ali1234> but that's still beta
[09:44] <popey> mine is 3K behind
[09:44] <ali1234> that's not much but should be enough, i mean as soon as mine starts getting many blocks, it kills the computer
[09:45] <popey> ~80% CPU, 12% io, 60% ni
[09:45] <popey> disk light always on
[09:45] <popey> SSD though
[09:45] <ali1234> yes, verifying the blocks does use CPU, but i have quad core and i don't think it is multithreaded
[09:46] <ali1234> so typical problem: high i/o + 1 cpu bound thread = total system freezes
[09:46] <popey> cpu at 85 degrees now
[09:46] <popey> fan going nuts
[09:47] <AlanBell> popey: stripe wants me to be a yank :(
[09:47] <popey> AlanBell: thats why i suggested the other two which I think are frontends to stripe but non-US-only
[09:50] <andylockran> mungbean: call teh police?
[09:51] <andylockran> anyone have recommendations for budget shared hosting.  Client can't afford managed server, but is too technically incompetent to run a VPS.
[09:52] <ali1234> 1and1 is the cheapest that is actually a real company
[09:52] <ali1234> service ranges from acceptable to awful
[09:53] <ali1234> though it does depend which product you bought
[09:53] <directhex> google apps
[09:54] <directhex> if they can't afford a sysadmin or a real server, shove them in the cloud fo realz so they're someone else's problem
[09:54] <mungbean> andylockran: my mum did tell the police, was taken from her house
[09:54] <mungbean> i heard there is a CIFAS org where you pay £20 a year for the privilegge :S
[09:54] <ali1234> the police took your mum from her house?
[10:14] <redtape-renegade> Morning, be.latedly \o/
[10:17] <redtape-renegade> Pg 35 of the Idependant 'I' is about "10 BEST .. statement earings... " today | Very www.farfetch.com ☺
[10:22] <andylockran> directhex: yeah, I'm going down that route
[10:39] <bigcalm> Yay compiz crash and restart. Not at all annoying
[10:40] <popey> did it offer to send a bug report?
[10:41] <bigcalm> popey: no. So maybe wasn't a crash
[10:41] <popey> what happened?
[10:41] <bigcalm> It did mess up my workspaces though
[10:42] <bigcalm> popey: screen freeze for about 10 seconds and then applications moved about on my workspaces so that I had a lot of windows on top of each other
[10:43] <bigcalm> In the past this has included an offer to send a bug report
[10:44] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:46] <popey> yeah, sounds like a unity or compiz crash
[10:46] <popey> have a look in /var/crash, anything there?
[10:47] <bigcalm> Spotify, compiz, nautilus, update-manager, Xorg and evolution
[10:47] <bigcalm> Each one has a .crash .upload and .uploaded
[10:47] <popey> most recent
[10:48] <bigcalm> Nothing today
[10:48] <popey> strange
[10:48] <popey> I'd clear it all out
[10:49] <DJones> Bloke at work got up this morning, started the company van parked outside his house & found it sounded like a tank, drove to work and opened the bonnet & found that somebody had disconnected the catalytic converter and exhaust and stolen them overnight, £2,500 to replace
[10:49] <popey> yikes
[10:49] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:50] <DJones> Aparantly only held on with a couple of clips, 5 minutes work at most
[10:50] <bigcalm> popey: ls -lht | pastebinit -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1676533/
[10:51] <bigcalm> popey: is /var/crash not cleared out by default?
[10:52] <popey> no
[10:52] <popey> well, might be, dunno, but I clear it out now and then for a fresh start
[10:53] <bigcalm> Ok
[10:54] <popey> hmmm. i have virtualbox on my desktop, VMs are on a 1TB spinning rust disk... when they update I can hear the disk rattling away
[10:54] <popey> seems painfully slow
[10:54] <popey> need to move them onto SSD
[10:55] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/260707-ocz-240gb-vertex-3-ssd-vtx3-25sat3-240g looks nice
[10:56] <popey> oh, thats the one in my X220
[11:01] <popey> bigcalm: anything in dmesg or /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[11:01] <directhex> i still feel a bit nervous about ocz ssds
[11:02] <popey> wonder if the nouveau driver had a flip out
[11:02] <popey> I have had no issues with the OCZ in my x220
[11:02] <popey> not tried to firmware update it tho ☺
[11:02] <directhex> i think they fixed their terrible failure rates now, but their firmware update process still sucks
[11:03] <directhex> surprised by how nice firmware updating is with kingston
[11:08] <kvarley> What font does ubuntu use by default for apps?
[11:08] <popey> Ubuntu
[11:09] <popey> ☺
[11:09] <bigcalm> Ubuntu :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> It's then up to the app to use something else (grr at phpstorm)
[11:09] <kvarley> At what size and dpi?
[11:10] <kvarley> Ah
[11:10] <kvarley> I'd picked Ubuntu Light instead of regular
[11:10] <kvarley> No wonder it looked weird
[11:12] <bigcalm> Ubuntu mono for all things equally spaced :D
[11:23] <bigcalm> popey: Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/1676613/         dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/1676614/
[11:26] <popey> that doesnt look nice
[11:27] <popey> bug 1116731
[11:29]  * popey pops to the post office to send off his smashed Nexus 4 for repair ☹
[11:29] <knightwise> Oh popey
[11:29] <knightwise> what did you do ?
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> he smashed his nexus?
[11:32] <knightwise> Gowd. SMASHED ? as in willfully destroyed (only days before the release of ubuntu phone ? )
[11:40] <bigcalm> popey: ah, a separate issue :) There is an update to the kernel waiting for me to install. I'm ever so cautious to upgrade anything as I have a mostly working system :)
[11:50] <popey> knightwise: not willfully
[11:50] <popey> it fell out of my hands, being made of the most slippery substance known to man
[11:50] <popey> and not being particularly robust
[11:51] <knightwise> popey: too bad :(
[11:51] <knightwise> i'm pondering a nexus 4 for the moment.
[11:54] <mungbean> i want one if i can run ubuntu desktop on it from a dock
[11:55] <popey> nexus 4 doesn't have a dock does it?
[11:57] <daubers> popey: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:44773 tada
[11:58] <daubers> Oh, wrong kind of dock
[11:58] <daubers> sorry
[11:58] <popey> ☺
[11:58]  * daubers printed a galaxy s2 dock for someone over the weekend
[12:05] <mungbean> no dock for nexus 4? hmm i misread my g+ feed
[12:07] <popey> well, I've not seen one
[12:07] <popey> and I don't think the nexus4 does hdmi out
[12:24] <bigcalm> How easy is it to roll back a kernel if needed?
[12:24] <popey> sudo apt-get install package=version
[12:42] <shauno> kernels aren't usually pruned by default, so your previous kernel would usually be in your grub menu still?
[12:49] <bittin> has nothing do at work so started installing Ubuntu on some old thing we don't use :p
[12:50] <bittin> as i think the IT dept needs an Linux client of some sort =D
[12:59] <dwatkins> I have an old Pentium at work that wasn't doing much, it's now got my homepage on it with a bunch of really useful links.
[13:00] <dwatkins> It also has vmware 2.0 installed and it's running a rock solid asterisk test VM
[13:00] <bittin> these are Fujutsi ESPRIMO Q5000 ones
[13:00] <dwatkins> you could run an entire test domain
[13:01] <dwatkins> I never understood why Windows domain servers need to much power, but I've only really administered NIS domains, and they barely take any computing.
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> because they CAN
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> it's ENTERPRISE
[13:02] <bittin> dwatkins: its 2 working computers so not that big of a domain :D
[13:02] <dwatkins> This makes me want to see a comparison of linux versus windows in terms of domain/samba CPU usage, DHCP and file serving network and compute needs.
[13:10] <davmor2> morning all
[13:10] <bittin> morning
[13:16] <bigcalm> Afternoon davmor2
[13:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: so is this from your unity driven desktop and are you still liking the new workflow?
[13:17] <bigcalm> When I change workspaces in Unity, it does a lovely sliding animation that would be lovely if I were to be using the binary nvidia driver. As I'm not, it's getting on my nerves with the slowness. Is it possible to turn the effect off and have the change be instant?
[13:18] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed, it's pleasing me for the most part :)
[13:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: will the binaries not install?
[13:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: I haven't looked yet. Maybe at the weekend
[13:20] <bigcalm> Right now the system is usable enough. Just a little clunky
[13:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm not surprised you are probably running on llvm.
[13:22] <bigcalm> So, can the effect be turned off? ;)
[13:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: there are 2 things here 1. with the nvidia bin inplace it will run at the right speed.  2. no but I think there is a way to speed it up have a look at omg!ubuntu for tips on how :)
[13:25] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[13:26] <bigcalm> I want to keep the displays as I have set them up in Display Manager. Getting a horrible feeling that things will break when I try to use the nVidia binary
[13:27]  * bigcalm slithers off to find some lunch
[13:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: possibly
[13:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: possibly what?
[13:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: if you install the nvidia bin it will break but then you just uninstall it and fixed ;)
[13:32] <bigcalm> Hope that's the case and it doesn't trash my settings
[13:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: back up your settings be safe not sorry ;)
[13:52] <mungbean> anyone think of a pretty way to visualise disk space used for a document?
[13:52] <mungbean> |[13:52] <mungbean> in that form, but pretty
[14:04] <popey> mungbean: http://www.asciiflow.com/ ☺
[14:06] <mungbean> hoping for colours and stuff :(
[14:07] <bittin> popey: nice =)
[14:07] <bittin> installed Ubuntu 12.04 on a box from 2008 my collouge wanted to throw away :p
[14:08] <bittin> he wanted to trash 3 computers from 2008 only problem is that one misses its wlan antenna :p
[14:08] <bittin> and ram memory
[14:08] <bittin> gonna trash 1 out of 3 :p
[14:09] <davmor2> mungbean: a pie chart you know everone loves pies hmmmmmmmmm pies
[14:10] <mungbean> i actually want to show a chart with disk space free, currently used, and overprovisioned storage
[14:10] <mungbean> and a visual guide to why 200% overprovisioned disk is bad
[14:11] <jacobw> bittin: unity might be too heavy for those machines, if it is see if they're more responsive with MATE
[14:11] <bittin> jacobw: works good but not sure what to do with them :D
[14:15] <neuro> mungbean: what about a stacked bar? a la http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/components.html#progress (see the Stacked entry)
[14:19] <mungbean> neuro: stacked bar is exactly what i'm after, i guess i need to juggle %ages to fudge the results
[14:20] <neuro> :)
[14:24] <mungbean> thanks
[14:28] <mungbean> neuro: used it before?
[14:28] <neuro> used what before, bootstrap or a stacked bar?
[14:28] <mungbean> bootstrap?
[14:29] <neuro> i have, but i'm not suggesting you use the entire bootstrap framework for a chart, just create a stacked bar in whatever you're generating your document in
[14:29] <mungbean> looks nice though, is it quick to implement?
[14:30] <mungbean> resorting to libreoffice atm
[14:30] <neuro> mungbean: if you like the look of it for webdev, the quick start is here: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/getting-started.html
[14:31] <mungbean> chars
[14:37] <bigcalm> Anybody using keepass 2 with linux. I hear that it can be run against mono
[14:38] <bigcalm> Oh, it's already in USC :)
[14:39] <mungbean> what's it do that keepassX doesn't - is that the online onw bigcalm ?
[14:40] <bigcalm> mungbean: I have no idea. But my boss has moved to using the 'pro' version of keepass (he's a windows user). So I need to find a way to keep reading the database
[14:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: just use the schwartz
[14:42] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:42] <bigcalm> I should get a copy of Space Balls to watch with Hayley. She doesn't know about the Schwartz
[14:47] <mungbean> anyone remember how to transfer a chart from calc to LO writer?
[14:48] <davmor2> mungbean: ctrl-c, ctrl-v
[14:49] <bigcalm> Hehe, people are still faving and retweeting Sunday morning's tweet. I don't think I'll stop being amused by it
[14:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: which one
[14:49] <skybinary> hey yall :D, i have been having a lot of trouble with winmodem and a lenovo conexant modem, now i need a working modem, can anyone suggest one that may work?
[14:49] <mungbean> davmor2: tried it?
[14:50] <mungbean> doesn't work, copies a blank box
[14:50] <mungbean> well eat my shorts davmor2
[14:50] <mungbean> ctrl-c /v works
[14:50] <mungbean> edit-copy , edit-paste doesn't
[14:51] <davmor2> mungbean: it's the same in google docs that's why I asked :)
[14:51] <bigcalm> davmor2: the tweet that lead me to write this http://www.myrant.net/2013/02/17/multi-screen-with-ubuntu-unity/
[14:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: ah that one ;)
[14:53] <mungbean> also have a weird issue where LO sheet tabs are miniscule, cannot get them bigger
[14:56] <davmor2> mungbean: I can't help you there
[14:57] <RZAFC> can someone help?
[14:57] <davmor2> RZAFC: it's best to just ask and someone will get back to you
[14:58] <RZAFC> I can't compile c program in gcc
[15:00] <dwatkins> what happens when you try to, RZAFC? If the output is several lines, perhaps use pastebin.
[15:02] <RZAFC> it says internal error in set_offset, at ../../gold/output.cc:4622
[15:03] <RZAFC> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[15:10] <popey> http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=CT512M4SSD2
[15:10] <popey> golly
[15:10] <popey> 512MB SSD for 273 inc vat
[15:11] <mgdm> blimey
[15:11] <bigcalm> MB?
[15:11] <popey> s/MB/GB/
[15:23] <bigcalm> Is it possible to add a .desktop file to the Unity launcher without loading the program 1st?
[15:24] <popey> eh?
[15:25] <dwatkins> RZAFC: sounds like the source was written for a different version of the compiler or something - can you get the application from the repositories or elsewhere?
[15:25] <bigcalm> I've added a .desktop file to ~/.local/share/applications/ and I would like it to appear in the launcher. The app appears in the dash when I search for it, but loading from the dash goes off and does things with wine that means I can't pin it to the luncher correctly
[15:26] <popey> can you not just drag it into the launcher?
[15:26] <popey> the way you can with any other desktop file you find in the dash?
[15:26] <bigcalm> popey: I'm new to Unity :)
[15:27] <bigcalm> popey: dragging worked, thanks
[15:27] <popey> yay
[15:28] <skybinary> help! recomend a usb modem?
[15:29] <AlanBell> hi skybinary, most of them work these days
[15:29] <skybinary> oh, i have 2 that dont :*(
[15:29] <skybinary> sniff!
[15:29] <AlanBell> this huawei E173 works
[15:29] <popey> i would inclined towards huawei ones
[15:30] <skybinary> thank you
[15:30] <AlanBell> just trying to sort out a vodafone one though K3772, doesn't quite wokr
[15:30] <dwatkins> I have a couple old Vodadfone ones which are Huawei devices. They worked well last time I checked.
[15:30] <dwatkins> [with Ubuntu]
[15:30] <AlanBell> this one goes into both stupid storage mode and modem mode at the same time
[15:30] <skybinary> lol
[15:31] <skybinary> i have had to edit the kernel and it is scary
[15:31] <AlanBell> woah, no you probably don't!
[15:31] <skybinary> http://www.silly-science.co.uk/2012/06/23/lenovo-usb-modem-in-linux-ubuntu-10-04/
[15:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: It's easier to think of it in terms of a phone,  think of the dash as being the apps draw on android and the launcher as your quick list at the bottom of your s3.
I am removing everything and then I'm going to reinstall gcc
[15:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: so you can drag a launcher icon to the bin to remove it etc.
[15:34] <bigcalm> I wonder if I can get Spotify to pause (or even lower its volume) when skype receives a call
[15:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: hope that made a modicum sense
[15:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: ta
[15:34] <dwatkins> RZAFC: the error looked more like a problem with the code - does a simple test (e.g. hello_world.c) compile ok?
[15:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: install pavucontrol and I think you can in there but I've never tried it
this is what the code looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/1677286/
[15:36] <bigcalm> RZAFC: by including <> around nicknames you're talking to, it makes it look as though you are quoting them. It is exceedingly confusing
[15:37] <RZAFC> bigcalm: ok
[15:38] <bigcalm> RZAFC: thanks :)
[15:40] <dwatkins> RZAFC: I'm confused, what are you trying to compile that fails?
[15:41] <RZAFC> a simple hello world program
[15:41] <popey> that hello world compiled fine here
what gcc should I install, does anyone know?
[15:42] <shauno> what errors do you get trying to compile this example?
[15:43] <popey> RZAFC: are you running ubuntu?
[15:43] <popey> RZAFC: are you following some kind of tutorial somewhere?
[15:46] <RZAFC> lubuntu and yes I am
[15:47] <kvarley> RZAFC: Link to the tutorial so we can help you :)
[15:48] <RZAFC> kvarley: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/compiling-c-program-and-creating-executable-file/
[15:49] <kvarley> popey: ^
[15:51] <RZAFC> great think i'm gonna have to reinstall lubuntu
[15:51] <popey> it works here
[15:51] <popey> wat!
[15:51] <popey> re-installing the entire OS is almost certainly not the solution
[15:52] <popey> i just typed that code into a file, compiled it and ran it
[15:52] <dwatkins> how did you install gcc, RZAFC, and what version do you have?
[15:52] <dwatkins> also, what version of lubuntu are you running?
[15:53] <RZAFC> it won't let me log into lubuntu
[15:53] <RZAFC> it starts me out at $
[15:54] <RZAFC> I just removed everything i saw that was gcc related
[15:54] <ali1234> like libgcc?
[15:54] <RZAFC> then I rebooted and it started me out at $
[15:54] <RZAFC> possibly, not sure
[15:55] <popey> yeah, probably not wise to go around tearing bits of the OS out
[15:56] <RZAFC> anyway, no one here has a solution so I'm gonna reinstall
[15:56] <popey> hah
[15:56] <RZAFC> It's an ols ppc anyway
[15:56] <RZAFC> old*
[15:57] <RZAFC> just my project compute
[15:57] <RZAFC> r
[15:57] <popey> next time I'd recommend not uninstalling stuff randomly ☺
[15:59] <AlanBell> RZAFC: sudo apt-get install build-essential will grab all the stuff you are likely to need for c development
[15:59] <ali1234> and sudo apt-get lubuntu-desktop^ should fix your current situation, if it's still possible for you to run apt
[16:00] <ali1234> assuming lubuntu has one of those meta package things
[16:00] <RZAFC> ali1234: Thanx I'll stick note it now
[16:01] <ali1234> for future reference, removing and reinstalling packages under linux does absolutely nothing
[16:01] <ali1234> unless you have edited configuration files yourself
[16:01] <ali1234> and if you have done that, just edit them back to how they were before
[16:05] <skybinary_> :O
[16:29] <skybinary_> wow! i did not realise how long it would take to rebuild the kernal
[16:30] <popey> :D
[16:30] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[16:31] <skybinary_> tick tock
[16:33] <bigcalm> popey: surprised that the count down isn't run with javascript. Having a static time upon refresh feels _very_ old
[16:33] <mgdm> a bit, yeah
[16:33] <popey> meh ☺
[16:33] <mgdm> you could use Flash for that... /me flees
[16:33] <popey> s/flash/html5/
[16:33] <popey> patches welcome ;)
[16:34] <bigcalm> Haha
[16:34] <bigcalm> popey: not a criticism, just surprised
[16:36] <bigcalm> If I were to attempt to get the nvidia binary working, what would I backup so that I could be sure to be able to revert to this currently working state?
[16:36] <popey> nothing
[16:37]  * bigcalm noticies a lack of xorg.conf
[16:37] <popey> just uninstall it if it doesn't work
[16:37] <popey> or try and fix it
[16:37] <skybinary_> purge it all
[16:37] <bigcalm> Are you sure?
[16:37]  * skybinary_ nods
[16:37] <bigcalm> That's the thing. I don't want to have to go through 'trying to fix' anything. If it doesn't work, replace messed up config files
[16:37] <popey> well..
[16:38] <popey> stay here and we can help
[16:38] <popey> go off on one on twitter and we can't ☺
[16:38] <bigcalm> After work :)
[16:38] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:52] <AlanBell> tablet time?? I thought it was a phone release?
[16:53] <popey> unpossible!
[17:05] <andylockran> ? is tablet release a new one
[17:05] <andylockran> separate to the phone one?
[17:05] <andylockran> ah - ubuntu is confusing me :(
[17:06] <popey> heh
[17:07]  * mgdm is considering an Nexus 7
[17:08] <mgdm> though I won't be buying one immediately so I'll see what the countdown reveals first :-)
[17:09] <popey> hah
[17:09]  * popey covets his two Nexus 7's
[17:12] <mgdm> I don't know anyone who has a Nexus 10
[17:12] <mgdm> anyone here seen one?
[17:12] <popey> I have played with one
[17:12] <mgdm> any good?
[17:12] <popey> its no ipad
[17:12] <mgdm> heh
[17:22] <andylockran> I've given up coffee for lent
[17:22] <andylockran> what a mistake
[17:22] <andylockran> absolutely hanging now :(
[17:22] <Seeker`> you should be over the worst of it now
[17:24] <andylockran> you'd think
[17:25] <Seeker`> well, if you completely gave up caffeine, your body should have readjusted to it
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> depends on how long ago he gave it up
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> some people have headaches for a week
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> (proof: my parents)
[17:28] <Seeker`> well, given it was for lent, I'm assuming his last cup was 6 days ago
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> I don't know when those things are :)
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> good thing I'm not a catholic I guess ;)
[17:33] <kvarley> First it was a phone
[17:33] <kvarley> Now it's a tablet
[17:33] <kvarley> What next?
[17:33] <mgdm> kvarley: I read that to the tune of 'I Will Survive'
[17:33] <kvarley> mgdm: Hehe
[17:34] <kvarley> afk
[17:34] <Seeker`> it's raining mgdm?
[17:34] <Seeker`> wtf did I type that for
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> ♫ it's raining mgdm, hallelujah?
[17:34] <Seeker`> I should stop reading things on one screen and typing on another when I'm not looking
[17:34] <mgdm> Seeker`: wat
[17:34] <Seeker`> mgdm: ignore me
[17:35] <mgdm>  /ignore Seeker`
[17:35] <Seeker`> probably for the best
[17:50] <bigcalm> I know I'm playing catch-up due to only just using Unity. Can one disable the amazon search in the dash but allow video search to continue to look in youtube for instance? So far it's all or nothing that I can see
[17:50] <RZAFC> So does anyone know if; me having a ppc with lubuntu will cause any issues for downloading gcc?
[17:54] <popey> yes bigcalm
[17:54] <popey> RZAFC: how are you trying to download gcc?
[17:55] <popey> bigcalm: sudo apt-get remote unity-lens-shopping
[17:55] <bigcalm> popey: aha. Thanks
[17:55] <bigcalm> popey: that still feels painful. I wonder if there's an alternative I can install that is in its own lens section
[17:56] <popey> lol
[17:56] <popey> RZAFC: "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[17:57]  * bigcalm shakes fist at "things"
[17:58] <RZAFC> popey: what does that do?
[17:58] <popey> installs gcc and other bits and bobs needed for compiling stuff
[17:58] <RZAFC> ok
[17:58] <RZAFC> great
[17:59] <RZAFC> I tried upgading everything but I couldn't get out of the kernel and back into the desktop windows
[18:00] <RZAFC> so now I'm reinstalling os
[18:03] <jacobw> hang on
[18:04] <jacobw> what happens when you start the computer?
[18:30] <AlanBell> RZAFC: do not under any circumstances attempt to download and install gcc from anywhere other than from the repositories
[18:30] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install build-essential is all you need to do
[18:31] <ali1234> wharrgarbl
[18:31] <ali1234> i always download gcc from code sourcery
[18:31] <ali1234> cos ain't nobody got time for building cross compilers
[18:31] <AlanBell> ah but you are hardcore
[18:32] <ali1234> \o/
[18:32] <ali1234> finally getting the respect i deserve :P
[18:32] <AlanBell> :)
[18:33] <ali1234> code sourcery doesn't even exist any more
[18:33] <ali1234> swallowed by some takeover
[18:34] <ali1234> now you have to register you details just to download the free edition
[18:34] <ali1234> and i think it's packaged anyway actually
[18:34]  * AlanBell continues building essentialemails.com in django
[19:00] <davmor2> AlanBell: essentialemails.com why not just point it at roundcube ;)
[19:00] <jacobw> less fun
[19:01] <davmor2> AlanBell: note I have no idea what essentialemails.com does :D
[19:07] <jacobw> as AlanBell describes it, it's a selective email forwarder, it discards emails that don't match CONDITION for user@essentialemails.com and fowards mails to user@gmail.com for emails that match CONDITION
[19:17] <davmor2> nice
[19:28] <RZAFC> popey: Hell yes, gcc is working beautifully
[19:28] <popey> super
[19:30] <RZAFC> thanx man, you guys are lifesavers, now I have a purpose for this old mac book
[19:31] <popey> Oh, thats what it is.. neat!
[19:31] <RZAFC> ya it's a ppc
[19:32] <AlanBell> davmor2: it emails you if you *don't* get an email you were expecting
[19:32] <RZAFC> I already tried putting gentoo on it and failed. SO I was worried that I was going to have another problem
[19:32] <AlanBell> nothing to do with roundcube
[19:33] <RZAFC> Anyway, I'm out. Later guys.
[19:33] <AlanBell> jacobw: not quite, you set up what you expect to get, and by what deadline and if your daily "backup complete" type email doesn't arrive by the deadline you set then it emails you
[19:33] <davmor2> AlanBell: I was only joking about roundcube it just made it sound from the name that, that was what you were doing :)
[19:33] <AlanBell> bit different :)
[19:34] <constrictor> how do i find out what version of XOrg I am using, I'm on quantal
[19:34] <AlanBell> !info xorg quantal
[19:34] <popey> dpkg -l xserver-xorg
[19:34] <constrictor> and also what graphics drivers I am using currently "About this computer" says my graphics card is unknown
[19:35] <popey> glxinfo | grep render
[19:35] <popey> will give you a clue
[19:36] <constrictor> don't have that package
[19:36]  * AlanBell wonders what constrictor's real issue is
[19:36] <bashrc> what is the countdown thing about?
[19:37] <AlanBell> constrictor: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will contain more info than you probably want about how X started and what drivers it is using
[19:37] <AlanBell> bashrc: my guess is that it has something to do with tablets
[19:38] <bashrc> I figured that
[19:38] <bashrc> maybe its ubuntu on android
[19:38] <AlanBell> if I had to guess rather than wait 20 hours I would say that it was the release of an image for the nexus7 of the QML Unity variant that the ubuntu phone project uses
[19:39] <bashrc> perhaps so
[19:39] <AlanBell> because they have to get a single API across all devices somehow
[19:39] <bashrc> the sooner they release that the more testing and development can be done
[19:40] <popey> constrictor: you could install it?
[19:47] <davmor2> constrictor: if you haven't installed any binary drivers then you are on the open source ones i you have an nvidia or ati/amd card then have a look at system settings → software sources → additional drivers tab
[19:48]  * davmor2 still doesn't get why hardware drivers would be found in software sources though
[19:48] <popey> blamempt
[19:48] <popey> or something
[19:49] <davmor2> popey: assignblame.py x = 0 while x !=10:  print "MPT broked it again " x += 1  something like that :D
[20:09] <dwatkins> did something change recently in Unity limiting the size of the display across two monitors?
[20:11] <dwatkins> oh I see, I have to use the ATI control centre
[20:19] <ali1234> AlanBell: more like announcing the release of a nexus 7 image at some unspecified time in the future :)
[20:49] <dwatkins> hmm, unity doesn't let me draw my own desktop background, it seems
[20:49] <Azelphur> dwatkins: compiz wallpaper plugin?
[20:49] <dwatkins> Azelphur: oh cool, does it let me run glmatrix as the background, too?
[20:49]  * popey wonders if bigcalm has switched to nvidia binary driver yet
[20:49] <Azelphur> dwatkins: ah your trying to use xwinwrap?
[20:50] <Azelphur> or whatever the cool kids are calling xwinwrap these days
[20:50] <dwatkins> yeah, maybe - I remember using that before, or possibly devilspie
[20:50] <Azelphur> dwatkins: Nautilus draws the wallpaper by default, if you kill nautilus, then your thing might work
[20:50] <Azelphur> if it does there's a dconf setting you can set to tell nautilus not to draw the wallpaper
[20:51] <dwatkins> I unset a couple options in dconf-editor so nautilus shouldn't be drawing the background any more
[20:51] <Azelphur> ah
[20:51] <Azelphur> I have compiz drawing my wallpaper atm, but I use Xubuntu
[20:52] <dwatkins> I may have to find where I put the source for xwinwrap...
[20:52] <Azelphur> there's some newer fork of it now, I forget the name.
[20:54] <dwatkins> shantz-xwinwrap, apparently
[20:55] <Azelphur> wasn't what I was thinking of, but if it's actively maintained, go for it xD
[20:55] <dwatkins> woohoo!
[20:56] <dwatkins> thanks Azelphur, that did the trick, I was trying to use devilspie as that had worked in 10.04, but this works great
[20:56] <Azelphur> :)
[20:56] <Azelphur> dwatkins: last I tried that thing, it didn't work with multiple screens
[20:56] <Azelphur> wonder if it does now
[20:57] <dwatkins> indeed it does not, but the ATI driver keeps forgetting about my 2nd display, so I may as well just plug the Raspberry Pi into it and play media that way ;)
[20:58] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:01] <dwatkins> oops, I removed some options and now I have an 'enforced' screensaver I can't quite... time to ssh in
[21:01]  * bigcalm returns from dinner and after dinner walk
[21:01] <bigcalm> popey: about to look into it
[21:04] <StevenR> So, a friend of mine is running 11.10. Can they go straight to 12.10 without stepping through 12.04? What will the automatic gui updater do?
[21:04] <StevenR> (The gui updater seems to be offering 12.10)
[21:05] <StevenR> (I can't go and look because it's about 200 miles away)
[21:07] <popey> 11.10 will offer to update to 12.04
[21:07] <popey> and 12.04 will by default not offer upgrade to 12.10
[21:08] <popey> but can be set to
[21:08] <popey> we recommend you go 11.10 -> 12.04 -> 12.10 (or stop on 12.04 and don't upgrade to 12.10)
[21:08] <StevenR> popey: that's strange then.. because she specifically said it's offering 12.10 but lsb_release -a says she's running 11.10
[21:11] <ali1234> cool, my steam bug was accepted :)
[21:11] <ali1234> these valve guys don't mess around
[21:12] <StevenR> popey: I was going to suggest she go to 12.04 and then stick to LTS releases... can I just switch the updater to LTS only, and will it then offer 12.04?
[21:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: lol, they still didn't do anything about mine D:
[21:12] <ali1234> Azelphur: the mic thing?
[21:12] <Azelphur> yep
[21:12] <ali1234> i'm sure there's a good reason for that. like proprietary libs or something
[21:13] <Azelphur> \o/
[21:13] <ali1234> did you report it on github btw?
[21:13] <Azelphur> yup
[21:14] <ali1234> ok. cos they don't seem to really check the forums
[21:14] <popey> StevenR: thats the default
[21:14] <popey> StevenR: LTS releases only offer an upgrade to LTS releases by default
[21:14] <ali1234> StevenR: maybe it is offering 12.04.1
[21:14] <popey> likely
[21:15] <ali1234> also, doesn't the LTS remember the setting, if yu upgrade from a not-LTS release?
[21:15] <ali1234> i've been seeing loads of people running 10.04 in VMs recently
[21:15] <ali1234> (random aside)
[21:15] <mgdm> Hmmm. I want a thing to split windows vertically in Chrome, along the lines of what Terminator does
[21:16] <popey> it probably does if you start on an lts
[21:16] <ali1234> by recently i mean the past week
[21:16] <StevenR> popey: I'm not sure what she started with originally... probably maverick
[21:16] <ali1234> upgrading is overrated... i prefer to start with a clean homedir and just bring over .mozilla and .ssh and anything else if/when i need it
[21:17]  * StevenR prefers to track LTS because it's easier
[21:17] <ali1234> it does lead to the "nested old directories of doom" problem though
[21:17] <StevenR> ali1234: that way lies madness
[21:18] <ali1234> grep and find :)
[21:18] <bigcalm> popey: nvidia binary is installed. One screen is on, no unity and no window decorations
[21:21] <ali1234> if you have multimonitor you are not going to want to run unity anyway
[21:22] <bigcalm> ali1234: Why do you say that? It works fine with the nouveau driver :)
[21:22] <ali1234> if you have any of the following use cases:
[21:23] <ali1234> * running fullscreen game on primary monitor while reading a guide on second monitor
[21:23] <ali1234> * watching video on second monitor while coding on primary monitor
[21:23] <ali1234> then unity fails, because you need a launcher on both screens to do these things
[21:23] <ali1234> and as soon as you enable that, you get a big annoying speedbump in between the displays
[21:24] <bigcalm> Sticky edges can be disabled
[21:24] <StevenR> popey: thanks. I'm mailing her some "how to make it offer LTS" instructions.
[21:24] <popey> StevenR: you dont need to
[21:24] <popey> StevenR: just run update-manager and it should offer an upgrade to 12.04
[21:25] <ali1234> additionally, there's no support to only show icons for apps on the current monitor, so clicking an icon is confusing when it pops something up on the other monitor
[21:25] <StevenR> popey: but it isn't
[21:25] <ali1234> even more so than with workspaces
[21:25] <ali1234> cos at least with workspaces you get some animation
[21:26] <bigcalm> ali1234: why do you use Ubuntu when I have never seen you ever say a positive thing about it
[21:26] <ali1234> i use ubuntu for the following reasons:
[21:27] <ali1234> * debian packages, without having to deal with debian bug reporting system. launchpad is massively superior in every way
[21:27]  * popey falls over
[21:27] <ali1234> * indicators are actually amazing and far better than the old gnome tray rubbish, which doesn't support multimonitor
[21:28] <ali1234> * but mainly because everything else is worse
[21:28] <ali1234> ubuntu has fewer FTBFS bugs than any other distro i've ever used
[21:28] <ali1234> dpkg-buildpackage just works.
[21:29] <ali1234> in combination with apt-get build-dep
[21:29] <ali1234> trying to do same thing with yum on opensuse or fedora is just a waste of everyones time, and when you report bugs, nobody cares
[21:33] <ali1234> i also use the old ubuntu-human theme. that's not packaged for any other distros afaik.
[21:34] <ali1234> up until 11.10 i had nothing but good things to say about ubuntu. well, except for the pulseaudio sillyness, but that is fixed now.
[21:47] <ali1234> now someone is saying ubuntu phone uses wayland??
[21:47] <ali1234> is any of this information actually legit or is everyone just wildly speculating?
[21:47] <AlanBell> they have declined opportunities to say it is running xorg
[21:48] <AlanBell> dunno if it runs wayland, there was talk of a "none of the above" option being developed in house
[21:49] <popey> ali1234: "someone"?
[21:49] <popey> someone... on the internet?
[21:49] <ali1234> yes
[21:50] <ali1234> popey: so there's no official announcement? surely you can tell me that :)
[21:50] <popey> I can tell you that.
[21:50] <popey> That there has been no official announcement that I'm aware of.
[21:51] <ali1234> that goes for both wayland claims and the "pure QML" claim?
[21:51] <UbuntuBhoy> will there be a stream of the 'thing' tomorrow
[21:51] <UbuntuBhoy> like there was for UOS being announced ?
[21:51] <popey> the press will announce it tomorrow evening I suspect
[21:53] <UbuntuBhoy> hmm, would have been nice to have both steams running at once
[21:53] <popey> both streams?
[21:53] <UbuntuBhoy> HTC one as well
[21:55] <popey> heh
[22:02] <ali1234> can i back up the whole nexus 7 storage and restore it easily?
[22:02] <ali1234> cos i've got loads of stuff on it that i don't want to download again
[22:03] <ali1234> it's also not unlocked
[22:04] <popey> they're easy to unlock/relock
[22:04] <popey> I've done it with one
[22:04] <ali1234> yes but it wipes the device
[22:04] <ali1234> so i need to backup everything before i do that
[22:04] <popey> I'm not sure what the best way to backup is
[22:04] <popey> can you do that via mtp?
[22:04] <UbuntuBhoy> ali1234: install a new recovery and you can nandroid backup to an external USB stick if you have an OTG cable
[22:05] <ali1234> can i install a new recovery without unlocking it?
[22:05] <UbuntuBhoy> if not
[22:05] <UbuntuBhoy> ali1234: you need to unlock it to install ubuntu
[22:05] <popey> i didnt think unlocking wiped it
[22:05] <ali1234> i know that
[22:05] <UbuntuBhoy> but you can lock it again
[22:05] <ali1234> unlocking it wipes the device
[22:05] <ali1234> i need to back it up before unlocking it
[22:05] <UbuntuBhoy> nope
[22:05] <ali1234> it says this in BIG LETTERS on the installation page
[22:05] <UbuntuBhoy> installing ubuntu wipes it
[22:05] <ali1234> "Warning: Unlocking the bootloader erases all data and resets the device to factory defaults."
[22:05] <popey> I'll happily test this for you
[22:06] <UbuntuBhoy> if in doubt you should still be able to backup with adb
[22:06] <ali1234> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=unl.jpg
[22:06] <UbuntuBhoy> another non root option is Carbon backup by Koush
[22:07] <ali1234> i need to back up all installed apps
[22:07] <ali1234> because i have a couple that are over 1GB
[22:07] <UbuntuBhoy> there are a few non root app backup apps
[22:07] <UbuntuBhoy> then copy the backup file to your pc
[22:08] <popey> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32138597
[22:09] <ali1234> i guess what i actually need is an exploit that unlocks it without wiping
[22:09] <popey> people claiming it doesnt wipe there
[22:09] <UbuntuBhoy> been a while since I did it
[22:09] <UbuntuBhoy> but backup anything important first
[22:10] <UbuntuBhoy> I am sure rooting will not wipe your device
[22:10] <UbuntuBhoy> it never has on any handset or tablet I have had
[22:11] <ali1234> americans who bought from google play store nearly a year ago, and with a totally different device made by a different OEM?
[22:11] <UbuntuBhoy> OEM is the same
[22:11] <ali1234> samsung == asus?
[22:11] <UbuntuBhoy> for the N7
[22:12]  * popey goes to get a cable to test it
[22:13] <ali1234> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1752693
[22:13] <UbuntuBhoy> unlocking a bootloader & flashing a recovery should not wipe your device
[22:14]  * popey powers down nexus 7 for unlocking
[22:14] <ali1234> but people who actually have the device say it does, and it displays a big warning stating that it will, when you unlock it
[22:15] <UbuntuBhoy> then I bow to their knowledge
[22:15] <ali1234> it's specifically to prevent you getting information out of a stolen phone
[22:16] <popey> (bootloader) Bootloader is unlocked now.
[22:16] <UbuntuBhoy> but ADB works without root iirc
[22:16] <UbuntuBhoy> so you can pull anything you want
[22:16] <directhex> nexus only means google. nexus devices have been made by asus, samsung, htc, lg
[22:16] <ali1234> only if you can get into the phone to turn it on
[22:16] <AlanBell> interesting that HTC are announcing something 1 minute before Canonical are.
[22:16] <UbuntuBhoy> it will power on, but may stay screen locked
[22:17] <UbuntuBhoy> directhex: I thought it was N7 specific
[22:17] <UbuntuBhoy> rather than Nexus in general
[22:17] <popey> its restarted twice
[22:17] <directhex> n7 means asus
[22:17] <popey> i suspect it's wiped
[22:17] <UbuntuBhoy> did it give you a warning ?
[22:17] <popey> it's giving me the welcome screen
[22:18] <popey> yup, wiped
[22:18] <UbuntuBhoy> AlanBell: their site banner confirms it is for the M7
[22:18] <UbuntuBhoy> in which case I apologise ali1234
[22:18] <popey> might as well flash this with ubuntu then :D
[22:18] <popey> thanks ali1234 :D
[22:18] <ali1234> did htc actually make a nexus branded phone or are you talking about G1/htc hero?
[22:18] <AlanBell> what is that UbuntuBhoy?
[22:18] <UbuntuBhoy> the Nexus One
[22:19] <UbuntuBhoy> AlanBell: Their banner script
[22:19] <UbuntuBhoy> m7.teaser.js and m7.track.js /*------------------------------------------------  HTC Global Site This stylesheet augments "styles.css" with new components as part of the 11/12 to 3/13 HTC (M7) product launch  --------------------------------------------*/
[22:19] <AlanBell> the ubuntu.com timer is set to stop at 16:01 tomorrow
[22:19] <ali1234> i will look for an unlock exploit that doens't wipe
[22:20] <ali1234> unless i can just dd the /dev/mtd out over adb or something
[22:20] <UbuntuBhoy> also look at Carbon backup by Koush, its non root
[22:20] <ali1234> if it's non root it can't do a real backup
[22:20] <AlanBell> UbuntuBhoy: oh, so perhaps nothing to do with the Ubuntu announcement?
[22:20] <ali1234> or else i could just use adb :)
[22:20] <UbuntuBhoy> I dont think so, but others will know better
[22:20] <ali1234> i may as well just wipe and let it redownload everything
[22:21] <ali1234> it's just a pain to set up the homescreens again
[22:21] <ali1234> and configure google account
[22:21] <ali1234> and all that stuff
[22:21] <UbuntuBhoy> flash PA on it - lovely ROM
[22:22] <popey> yeah
[22:22] <popey> as soon as I got the welcome thing and it asked for my creds I just figured it was more fun to slap ubuntu on it
[22:22] <popey> glad I bought two! :D
[22:22] <popey> the kids can play Triple Town on the other one
[22:22] <UbuntuBhoy> haha
[22:22] <ali1234> sadly i can;t see a compelling reason to install ubuntu other than to look at it for half an hour and then go back to android
[22:22] <directhex> ali1234, htc passion == nexus one
[22:23] <popey> I'd like to test the ubuntu sdk on it
[22:23] <ali1234> maybe i'll just try to blag a gnex or something
[22:23] <UbuntuBhoy> I was let down for a GNex
[22:23] <ali1234> ubuntu sdk already runs on android anyway :P
[22:23] <UbuntuBhoy> hoping a HD2 port is not far away
[22:24] <UbuntuBhoy> or a One X, but I fancy the HD2 to get done quicker
[22:25] <bigcalm> Anybody played Lume care to point me in the right direction for working out the 3 combinations needed for the padlock on the cupboard under the sink?
[22:25] <bigcalm> I have the 1st combination by chance. Tried 123 and it worked
[22:26] <UbuntuBhoy> never heard of it
[22:26] <ali1234> apparently the solution is in a book or something /google
[22:26]  * bigcalm reads more of the books
[22:29] <ali1234> did anyone figure out dual boot on n7 yet?
[22:29] <UbuntuBhoy> yip
[22:29] <UbuntuBhoy> very easy
[22:30] <ali1234> oh?
[22:30] <UbuntuBhoy> even dual boot with Linux
[22:30] <UbuntuBhoy> 2 secs
[22:30] <ali1234> dual boot with linux? what else would you want to dual boot?
[22:30] <UbuntuBhoy> multiple Android ROM's
[22:31] <UbuntuBhoy> boot one from a USB drive
[22:31] <ali1234> found it
[22:31] <ali1234> ugh
[22:31] <UbuntuBhoy> K
[22:31] <UbuntuBhoy> save me linking
[22:31] <ali1234> no, i want dual booting from internal nand
[22:31] <ali1234> i don't have OTG cable
[22:31] <ali1234> its kexec based
[22:31] <UbuntuBhoy> you can do that too
[22:32] <UbuntuBhoy> but multi booting externally gives a load more options
[22:32] <ali1234> lol this "dual boot" method wirks by storing the roms on usb. and every time you want to switch, it reflashes the whole rom
[22:32] <UbuntuBhoy> due to limited space on the N7
[22:32] <UbuntuBhoy> not the one I mean then
[22:33] <ali1234> limited space? it has 32GB...
[22:33] <UbuntuBhoy> not mine
[22:33] <UbuntuBhoy> I have the 16G
[22:34] <ali1234> this is the exact same solution we had on the N900
[22:34] <UbuntuBhoy> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403
[22:34] <UbuntuBhoy> that ^^
[22:40] <ali1234> i may have to port u-boot. does it support this soc at all?
[22:41] <ali1234> tegra3, yes
[22:56]  * popey flashes n7 back to androifd
[22:56] <popey> -f
[22:56] <UbuntuBhoy> :D
[22:57] <popey> I hope you're happy ali1234! ☺
[22:57] <ali1234> why?
[22:57] <popey> j/k
[22:57] <ali1234> no, i mean why flash back to android?
[22:58] <ali1234> did you get bored of ubuntu that quickly??
[22:58] <popey> heh, I've had ubuntu on this before
[22:58] <UbuntuBhoy> popey: you have used the Ubuntu Phone OS, would it scale to a tablet or do you think it would be a waste ?
[22:59] <popey> ask me again next week
[22:59] <UbuntuBhoy> lol
[22:59]  * Azelphur shakes the 8ball again
[22:59] <UbuntuBhoy> by next week I could have an N7 port
[22:59] <AlanBell> not in 17 hours?
[22:59] <popey> no comment
[22:59] <Azelphur> this 8ball is useless :(
[22:59] <UbuntuBhoy> not with HTC anyway
[23:00] <ali1234> i'm still waiting for packaging guide :(
[23:00] <popey> for phone?
[23:00] <ali1234> there's not much point writing hundreds of "my first app" tutorials when nobody knows how to package the result
[23:00] <ali1234> for phone, yes. but also for just general ubuntu
[23:00] <ali1234> please don't like to the ubuntu packaging guide or the debian packaging guide, i've read them
[23:01] <ali1234> they both just made me even more confused and resistant to packaging things
[23:01] <UbuntuBhoy> yay, bar shut. Quick beer then clean the lines.
[23:02] <popey> you work in a bar?
[23:02] <UbuntuBhoy> yeah
[23:05] <UbuntuBhoy> Ha, the HTC tablet the sites are linking to Ubuntu is a Windows tab
[23:05] <popey> hah
[23:07] <UbuntuBhoy> bit of a come down to say the least
[23:09] <redtape-renegade> popey, UbuntuBhoy , I'm in my batcave :      https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/batmanhotel.jpg
[23:09] <UbuntuBhoy> WOW
[23:10] <UbuntuBhoy> that is fan-fecking-tastic
[23:10] <redtape-renegade> Authome !!
[23:11] <UbuntuBhoy> that is immense - my kids would love that
[23:13] <UbuntuBhoy> BTW is anhyone handy on Chromium OS
[23:13] <UbuntuBhoy> ?
[23:13] <AlanBell> can't help thinking that the double bed might as well be a single ;)
[23:13] <UbuntuBhoy> lol
[23:14] <UbuntuBhoy> there are some geeky chicks, not many, but some
[23:14] <AlanBell> http://haphappy.com/2011/03/14/badass-batman-batcave-bedroom/ "This sweet batcave can be yours at rates as low as $50 for a three-hour block." classy.
[23:15] <UbuntuBhoy> hahaha
[23:15] <UbuntuBhoy> time for a bat bonk
[23:15] <AlanBell> don't think I have ever been in a hotel that did an hourly rate
[23:15] <UbuntuBhoy> you have not lived than Alan
[23:15]  * UbuntuBhoy has never either
[23:17] <redtape-renegade> UbuntuBhoy: Chromium OS ?? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/J1qcNQl.jpg
[23:18] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: I'm getting the £20 that I have changed for 4x £5 so I can hopefully get a DVD per release :)
[23:18] <Elex> Hello
[23:18] <redtape-renegade> hi there...
[23:19] <Elex> How can I get Windows on my computer when I have Ubuntu? Is there anyway to run a .exe file?
[23:19] <AlanBell> hi Elex
[23:20] <AlanBell> what is the exe file you want to run?
[23:20] <redtape-renegade> Oh dear .. good luck Alan ...
[23:20] <Elex> Setup.exe
[23:20] <AlanBell> . . . ok, setup.exe for what?
[23:21] <Elex> Windows
[23:21]  * AlanBell is confused
[23:21] <Elex> lol
[23:21] <AlanBell> you want to run a windows application or you want to install windows?
[23:21] <redtape-renegade> Elex what program are trying to run ??
[23:22] <Elex> I'm trying to run Setup.exe inside the Windows folder to install it on my PC
[23:22] <AlanBell> or do you want to replace ubuntu with windows, or run windows in a virtual machine?
[23:22] <redtape-renegade> What does setup.exe refer to .. whast program are you installing ??
[23:22] <Elex> I Want to replace Ubuntu
[23:22] <AlanBell> ok, well just boot from the windows CD or DVD then, don't try to run it from within ubuntu
[23:23] <AlanBell> but Ubuntu is awesome \o/
[23:23] <redtape-renegade> Elex , What does setup.exe refer to .. what program are you installing ??
[23:23] <Elex> umm
[23:24] <Elex> I'm trying to install WIndows and when I double click it, it saids "An error occurred while loading the archive."
[23:24] <AlanBell> redtape-renegade: I think that is the Windows installer for Windows itself, like Ubiquity
[23:24] <redtape-renegade> oh Ok.
[23:24] <Elex> When I reboot
[23:24] <AlanBell> Elex: don't try to run it, you need to boot from the CD rather than booting from the hard disk
[23:24] <Elex> Is there anything I need to press? I tried that earlier and Ubuntu just popped up
[23:24] <redtape-renegade> .exe .. sounds like a ford escort for exeter for a second there ....
[23:25] <AlanBell> depends on your computer
[23:25] <xnox> AlanBell: "Windows Installer" is what Valve called "Wubi" recently in their marketing material.
[23:25] <AlanBell> maybe pressing something like F8 whilst booting will bring up a boot menu
[23:25] <AlanBell> xnox: nice!
[23:25] <Elex> ok brb
[23:25]  * xnox is not sure if that makes sense in this conversation or not....
[23:25] <redtape-renegade> bye.
[23:27] <Elex> :P
[23:29] <directhex> Elex, official instructions: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314458
[23:30] <directhex> and your windows disc needs to be real, bootable windows media with the extra boot records - a data cd with an i386 folder on it is not enough
[23:36] <neuro> wow, that looks like someone who is going to screw up their ubuntu install shortly :)
[23:37] <AlanBell> bit curious how they came to have an Ubuntu install tbh
[23:38] <neuro> could have been a preinstall ... second hand ... "friend put it on the PC for me" ...
[23:38] <UbuntuBhoy> or just not his PC
[23:39] <neuro> heh
[23:39] <neuro> he did say "my computer" though
[23:39] <neuro> (or she)
[23:41] <neuro> changing the subject slightly from newcomers who have interesting ideas as to what binaries can be executed on their ubuntu installs ...
[23:41] <neuro> anyone seen this? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/python-v-python-software-foundation-fights-for-trademark-in-eu/
[23:41] <popey> yes, a million times
[23:41] <neuro> i only just read about it
[23:41] <neuro> bit disappointed that it's a uk hosting company trying it on
[23:41] <popey> yeah
[23:43] <neuro> although interestingly ...
[23:44] <neuro> the article mentions "python.co.uk" as being registered by pobox
[23:44] <neuro> but popping that into a browser takes you to an apache error page
[23:44] <neuro> and checking the IP shows rDNS of a python.org host
[23:45] <neuro> that's odd