[05:07] <Squirm> is it possible to ban timkeller with a reason to contact a channel admin when he is back?
[05:13] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:14] <superfly> hi Kilos 
[05:15] <superfly> Squirm: I don't think any of us has that level of access, nor is IRC able to do precisely that.
[05:20] <superfly> Maaz: tell timkeller please quit IRC at night if your client is going to timeout - we appreciate not seeing the join/timeout spam
[05:20] <Maaz_> superfly: Sure, I'll tell timkeller on freenode
[05:21] <superfly> timkeller: ping
[05:43] <magespawn> morning all
[05:43] <magespawn> Squirm you can tell your client to ignore joins/quits then you won't see those messages
[05:50] <magespawn> Maaz_: tell Kilos good morning and the edit of fstab worked
[05:50] <Maaz_> magespawn: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:18] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[06:24] <magespawn> hey nuvolari
[06:34] <superfly> morning magespawn, nuvolari
[06:34] <magespawn> hey superfly
[06:35] <magespawn> i do not think timkeller is aware of what is happening
[06:36] <superfly> magespawn: I highly doubt it
[06:36] <magespawn> he? never seems to be on chat
[06:40] <superfly> magespawn: sorry, I realise I was probably confusing... I meant to say that I highly doubt he is aware of it
[06:42] <N8Wulf> g'morning all
[06:44] <inetpro> ai!
[06:44] <inetpro> good morning
[06:47] <magespawn> lol @ superfly
[06:47] <magespawn> morning inetpro
[06:48] <inetpro> timkeller: wb
[06:48] <superfly> (again)
[06:48] <inetpro> hmm...
[06:48] <magespawn> would be intersting to see the greeter in action with this
[06:49] <inetpro> hi magespawn, superfly, Squirm
[06:50] <superfly> hi inetpro
[06:50] <superfly> timkeller: boo!
[06:59] <superfly> timkeller: ohi
[07:07] <superfly> timkeller: wb
[07:13] <Squirm> lo
[07:13] <Squirm> lol superfly 
[07:15] <superfly> ohi Squirm
[07:18] <Squirm> hello timkeller 
[07:21] <superfly> timkeller: wb
[07:27] <superfly> timkeller: wb
[07:30] <inetpro> superfly: you think he is still welcome?
[07:30] <superfly> inetpro: nah, I figure if I bug him enough he'll do something :-P
[07:30] <inetpro> lol
[07:30] <inetpro> is there no one here who has his email address?
[07:31] <superfly> could probably find it somewhere in my mail... at home
[07:31] <inetpro> or his IM address
[07:31] <inetpro> or phone number
[07:58] <Vince-0> lols still flapping
[08:43] <Kilos> hreat magespawn , hi there
[08:43] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[08:45] <Kilos> great magespawn 
[08:51] <Kilos> timkeller, ping
[08:51] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[08:56] <Kilos> i wonder what is up with timkeller connection or whether its his hardware
[08:56] <inetpro> at this rate of instability timkeller should not be using the internet at all
[08:57] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[08:57] <Kilos> good morning inetpro it is kinda bad hey?
[08:58] <Kilos> ive been offline reinstalling so missed few hours. hasnt he answered yet
[08:59] <Kilos> 12.04 is my moses
[09:00] <Kilos> back on cell
[09:00] <Kilos> grrr
[09:01] <Symmetria> ok, so question
[09:02] <Symmetria> if you write some very evil code, that could for example take out every linux/freebsd/windows box on a shared network segment in seconds
[09:02] <Symmetria> forcing reboots on them
[09:02] <Symmetria> would you release it or just delete it and pretend you never wrote it ;p
[09:02] <Kilos> delete
[09:03] <Symmetria> heh, there were documents about this particular issue but I wanted to see just how real it was
[09:03] <Symmetria> so I wrote code to test it
[09:03] <Kilos> or remove the linux part
[09:03] <Symmetria> kilos lol, *any* box that has ipv6 enabled on it
[09:03] <Kilos> it sounds very evil
[09:03] <Symmetria> that receives RA's 
[09:03] <Symmetria> is vulnerable to it
[09:03] <Symmetria> basically, here is the deal
[09:03] <Kilos> whew
[09:03] <Symmetria> IPv6 uses things called RA (route announcements)
[09:03] <Symmetria> so that boxes can get addresses automatically
[09:04] <Symmetria> its like, a dumbed down version of dhcp
[09:04] <Symmetria> except, instead of *changing* the address, it *adds* an address
[09:04] <Symmetria> it is possible to specify the prefix as well
[09:04] <Symmetria> which means, you can spew thousands of fake RA announcements onto a network segment
[09:04] <Symmetria> and every v6 box starts adding v6 addresses 
[09:04] <Symmetria> from fake prefix's
[09:05] <Symmetria> once they have added a few thousand, well, goodbye to the box 
[09:05] <Kilos> whew thats nasty
[09:05] <Symmetria> it does NOT require the network to be v6 enabled
[09:05] <Symmetria> all it requires is the box to be v6 enabled and accepting ra's 
[09:05] <Kilos> where you learned to do bad things like that?
[09:06] <Symmetria> (the default on almost every v6 system out there)
[09:06] <Symmetria> kilos haha, I wrote my first network exploit code back in 1998 ;p
[09:06] <Kilos> whew
[09:06] <Symmetria> and its always the simplest code to write
[09:06] <Symmetria> ;p
[09:07] <Kilos> what gave you the idea to write it?
[09:07] <Symmetria> was looking at security for another network
[09:07] <Symmetria> and trying to figure out where the problems were
[09:08] <Kilos> now write some code that can stop such a crack getting in
[09:08] <Kilos> and give it to launchpad
[09:09] <Kilos> or the firewall peeps
[09:12] <Symmetria> heh, there is a fix for it in some switches already, but most switches don't support ra-guard
[09:12] <Symmetria> and you can firewall it out in linux 
[09:12] <Symmetria> but if you do firewall it out, you break RA functionality
[09:12] <Symmetria> and thats actually pretty necessary
[09:12] <Symmetria> ;p
[09:14] <Kilos> fix it
[09:35] <Vince-0> Hey, Symmetria - do you have any docs / links on that exploit ?
[09:37] <Symmetria> vince http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Apr/86 that was someone talking about the bug itself, but I never saw anyone write anything to actually exploit it till now
[09:37] <Symmetria> and that announcement leaves out a bunch of things
[09:37] <Symmetria> its not about updating the routing information, its about filling up the address table
[09:37] <Symmetria> and the solutions proposed in that document aren't viable either
[09:55] <magespawn> bbl
[10:11] <Guest8691> k
[10:57] <Kilos> ai!
[10:58] <Symmetria> hahahaha
[10:58] <Symmetria> kilos
[10:58] <Symmetria> that bug I was talking about
[10:58] <Kilos> yes Symmetria 
[10:58] <Symmetria> you don't even need to write code to exploit it
[10:58] <Symmetria> a linux box + radvd + a few bash scripts 
[10:58] <Kilos> eeek
[10:58] <Symmetria> = death ;p
[10:58] <Symmetria> linux can transmit those router advertisments, you just configure it to do so
[10:59] <Symmetria> and then write scripts to randomly aliase and dealiase the prefix's to the interface
[10:59] <Symmetria> and watch the linux box do all the transmissions for you
[10:59] <Symmetria> hahahaha so evil
[10:59] <Kilos>  dont start enjoying it
[11:00] <Kilos> just now you become a bad guy
[11:00] <Symmetria> kilos hahaha breaking stuff is always fun ;p
[11:03] <Kilos> no man
[11:03] <Kilos> whew
[11:04] <Kilos> rather help frans fix the server
[12:45] <magespawn> Symmetria: the notice says linux fixed it already?
[12:46] <inetpro> ai!
[12:49] <magespawn> ai?
[12:53] <inetpro> magespawn: please call timkeller and tell him to go away
[12:57] <nuvolari> ouch
[12:57] <inetpro> just like that
[12:57] <nuvolari> but serves him right
[12:58] <inetpro> nuvolari: I guess you are bready for the meeting this eve?
[12:59] <magespawn> i just ignored joins/quits
[12:59] <inetpro> ready as well*
[12:59] <nuvolari> inetpro: affirmative
[12:59] <inetpro> nuvolari: thanks
[12:59]  * inetpro not sure I'll make it
[12:59] <inetpro> have this stupid migraine again
[13:00] <inetpro> magespawn: ignoring the joins/quits only hides the problem
[13:01] <magespawn> indeed not much else i could do though
[13:01] <inetpro> rephrase: *only hides the problem for you
[13:01] <Symmetria> heh
[13:01] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/motion-test-2.mp4 <[13:01] <Symmetria> considering that clip was taken on a dash mounted hand camera with no stabilization, and I stabilized it purely in software afterwards
[13:02] <Symmetria> (and I was MOVING when I was driving there, never drop below 160kph in that entire clip)
[13:06] <magespawn> inetpro how long does he get kicked for?
[13:08] <inetpro> magespawn: until he rejoins
[13:09] <magespawn> ahh okay so not an actual ban but he will have to manually rejoin
[13:09] <inetpro> yep
[13:13] <magespawn> bbl
[15:09] <nuvolari> see you guys now now
[15:32] <tumbleweed> if I miss the meeting - I want to organise a global jam in cape town
[15:38] <Kilos> so inetpro ty for the tweet
[15:38] <Kilos> where is the email
[15:59] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[15:59] <superfly> tumbleweed: I'm up for joining that
[15:59] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[16:03] <nuvolari> hrr
[16:03] <nuvolari> I #hashed a meeting item but now I can't remember the used tag
[16:05] <nuvolari> Maaz_: meeting.agenda
[16:05] <Maaz_> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/529/detail/
[16:05] <nuvolari> Maaz_: meeting.minutes
[16:05] <Maaz_> nuvolari: meeting.minutes is http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/01/21/%23ubuntu-za.html#t17:30
[16:05] <nuvolari> Maaz_: forget about meeting.minutes
[16:05] <Maaz_> nuvolari: I didn't know about about meeting.minutes anyway
[16:06] <nuvolari> Maaz_: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-01-21-17-30-25.html
[16:06] <Maaz_> nuvolari: I already know stuff about meeting.minutes
[16:06] <nuvolari> Maaz_: forget meeting.minutes
[16:06] <Maaz_> nuvolari: Sure
[16:06] <nuvolari> Maaz_: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-01-21-17-30-25.html
[16:06] <Maaz_> nuvolari: I'll remember that
[16:06] <nuvolari> Maaz_: forget meeting.agenda
[16:06] <Maaz_> nuvolari: Sure
[16:06] <nuvolari> Maaz_: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/535/detail/
[16:06] <Maaz_> nuvolari: Got it
[16:09]  * nuvolari ties a knot in his ear to double-check spelling tonight
[16:11] <Kilos> lol
[16:12] <nuvolari> heh, sharp: <kbmonkey> but we have an app, multiplayer notepad aka irc ;D
[16:22] <magespawn> later all on my way home, meeting 19:00?
[16:22] <Kilos> k
[16:22] <Kilos> 19.30
[16:22] <magespawn> cool later all
[16:22] <Kilos> later
[16:24] <nuvolari> sho, January was quite a busy month on the mailing list
[16:46] <superfly> hi HawkiesZA
[16:46] <HawkiesZA> Evening
[16:46] <superfly> remember me?
[16:46] <superfly> :-P
[16:47] <HawkiesZA> Superfly, banzai?
[16:47] <superfly> heh
[16:47] <superfly> HawkiesZA: anyways, we're trying to figure out how to do pair programming between Cape Town and Pretoria
[16:48] <HawkiesZA> ...
[16:48] <superfly> HawkiesZA: Nomanini
[16:48] <HawkiesZA> I'm trying to think what your real name is now...?
[16:48] <superfly> haha
[16:48] <HawkiesZA> Yes, I figured that
[16:48] <HawkiesZA> My world just imploded a little is all
[16:49] <superfly> HawkiesZA: whois me
[16:50] <HawkiesZA> haha
[16:50] <nuvolari> ugh, a general question: what does anyone of you people do for inspiration? :P
[16:50] <superfly> nuvolari: if I knew, I'd be pumping it out every moment
[16:51] <nuvolari> fair enough 
[16:59] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg Cantide HawkiesZA 
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <SmilyBorg> hey there
[16:59] <Vince-0> Hiya!
[16:59] <Kilos> lo Vince-0 
[16:59] <Vince-0> hi
[16:59] <Kilos> Maaz_, announce monthly meeting in 30 mins
[16:59] <Maaz_> Announcement from Kilos! monthly meeting in 30 mins
[17:00] <Vince-0> brb
[17:02] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[17:05] <HawkiesZA> Howdy Kilos 
[17:16] <Kilos> yo Mezenir 
[17:19] <Kilos> hi josvis 
[17:21] <queery> evening
[17:22] <Kilos> lo queery 
[17:22] <HawkiesZA> Evening queery 
[17:22] <queery> how are you boys tonight?
[17:22] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[17:22] <queery> doing orait
[17:23] <Kilos> how come you only get here meeting times hey?
[17:23] <queery> hehe to busy
[17:23] <Kilos> na slack
[17:23] <queery> on the road al day and with clients
[17:23] <queery> hehe also true
[17:23] <Kilos> the fly and pro are also busy but they here every day
[17:24] <Kilos> even on the train
[17:24] <Kilos> hehe
[17:24] <queery> haha typing and driving is a bit different
[17:24] <Kilos> lol ya
[17:24] <Kilos> you dont drive all day and night
[17:25] <josvis> Hi Kilos, this is newbie the great
[17:25] <Kilos> welto ubuntu-za jos
[17:25] <nuvolari> eek, I hope my coffee brews in time
[17:25] <Kilos> ai josvis 
[17:25] <nuvolari> welcome josvis 
[17:25] <Kilos> tell us about yourself josvis 
[17:25] <queery> well duing the day when im not driving im with a clients
[17:26] <Cantide> brb O_O
[17:26] <Kilos> quick you got 2 mins
[17:26] <nuvolari> eek! I feel like a puppy
[17:26] <queery> where is my Kitteh
[17:26] <nuvolari> peeing the floor with excitement
[17:26] <Kilos> over what nuvolari 
[17:27]  * nuvolari rephrases
[17:27]  * nuvolari leaks on the floor from excitement, like a little puppy
[17:27] <nuvolari> better? :P
[17:27] <josvis> Kilos, I will get back to you after this meet
[17:28] <Kilos> about what nuvolari 
[17:28] <Kilos> cool josvis 
[17:28] <nuvolari> the meeting oom Kilos 
[17:28] <nuvolari> my coffee is not going to make it :-/
[17:28] <magespawn> evening all
[17:28] <Kilos> oh is there something exciting coming up?
[17:28] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn 
[17:28] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[17:28] <nuvolari> Kilos: not really, just feels like my heart wants to jump out my throat every time
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[17:29] <Kilos> swallow
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz_: start meeting about February IRC Meeting
[17:30]  * Maaz_ gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:30] <magespawn> not that good for hearts to jump out of throats
[17:30] <Kilos> hehe
[17:30] <Kilos> painfull
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz_: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:30] <Maaz_> nuvolari: Done
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz_, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:30] <Maaz_> Kilos: Done
[17:30] <magespawn> Maaz_: I am Greg Eames
[17:30] <Maaz_> magespawn: Sure
[17:30] <HawkiesZA> Maaz_: I am Gerrit Vermeulen
[17:30] <Maaz_> HawkiesZA: Righto
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz_: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[17:30] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[17:30] <inetpro> Maaz_: I am Gustav H Meyer
[17:30] <Maaz_> inetpro: Alrighty
[17:31] <queery> Maaz_, i am Dewald
[17:31] <Maaz_> queery: Yessir
[17:31] <Kilos> lo pro
[17:31] <nuvolari> Welcome everyone!
[17:31] <queery> Maaz_, why do you have a tail?
[17:31] <Maaz_> queery: I already know stuff about why
[17:31] <Cantide> Maaz_, I am Karl Wortmann
[17:31] <Maaz_> Cantide: Okay
[17:31] <nuvolari> it's great that you all made it
[17:31] <SmilyBorg> Maaz_: I am Una Karlsen
[17:31] <Maaz_> SmilyBorg: Alrighty
[17:31] <nuvolari> well, all that is present :)
[17:31] <nuvolari> howdy SmilyBorg 
[17:31] <Kilos> superfly, ??
[17:32] <SmilyBorg> hey
[17:32] <nuvolari> Vince-0 needs a poke it seems
[17:32] <nuvolari> :P
[17:32] <inetpro> Kilos: ta
[17:32] <inetpro> hmm... no new peeps?
[17:32] <nuvolari> inetpro: josvis is new
[17:32] <inetpro> ahh
[17:32] <inetpro> josvis: welcome to our monthly meeting
[17:32] <Kilos> josvis, type in maaz I am "full name"
[17:33] <queery> Maaz_, coffee on
[17:33]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[17:33] <nuvolari> so tonight there does not seem to be much out of the ordinary, or something to focus on 
[17:33] <queery> Maaz_, coffee for all
[17:33] <Maaz_> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[17:33] <Kilos> the bot will register you as being here
[17:33] <nuvolari> or did I miss something major?
[17:33] <josvis> maaz I am Jos Visser
[17:33] <Maaz_> josvis: Righto
[17:33] <nuvolari> We will cover the points as per the agenda
[17:33] <nuvolari> oh ya,
[17:33] <nuvolari> Maaz_: meeting.agenda
[17:33] <Maaz_> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/535/detail/
[17:34] <queery> josvis, maaz has a tail so try maaz_
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz_: topic Review Previous Minutes
[17:34] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz_: meeting.minutes
[17:34] <Maaz_> nuvolari: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-01-21-17-30-25.html
[17:34] <nuvolari> ^^ all the important links for the interested persons
[17:34] <Kilos> ai! the bot acknowledge him queery 
[17:35] <Kilos> put your glasses on
[17:35] <queery> oh sorry didn't see
[17:35] <queery> oh yea forgot them on the table hold on
[17:35] <Kilos> hehe
[17:35] <queery> wait, bit why?
[17:36] <nuvolari> From my scan over the previous minutes earlier tonight, it seemed that we planned to discuss a lot more on the mailing list than what we actually did
[17:36] <inetpro> nothing wrong with Kilos' eyes
[17:36] <Kilos> eye
[17:36] <queery> that's oom kilos
[17:36] <Kilos> one blind and other one dont see either
[17:36] <inetpro> lol
[17:36] <Kilos> hehe
[17:36] <queery> what does that make me?
[17:36] <inetpro> nuvolari: did you discuss it?
[17:37] <Cantide> nuvolari, i'm not sure i saw much on the mailing list for the agenda :/
[17:37] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for queery!
[17:37] <queery> Maaz_, ty
[17:37] <Maaz_> You are welcome queery
[17:37] <nuvolari> I'm going to fetch my coffee quick, you can review and comment on the previous minutes in the meantime :P
[17:37] <nuvolari> inetpro: I didn't
[17:37] <nuvolari> Cantide: yeah, that's what I meant, we agreed to discuss things but it got left behind
[17:37] <inetpro> I tried prompting a discussion on G+ but not much happened there either
[17:38] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey wb
[17:38]  * inetpro should perhaps have followed up
[17:38] <Kilos> log in with the bot dodo
[17:38]  * Cantide checks G+
[17:38] <kbmonkey> Maaz_, I am Wesley Werner
[17:38] <Maaz_> kbmonkey: Sure
[17:38] <kbmonkey> gee thanks for reminding me Kilos ;P
[17:38] <Kilos> np laddy
[17:39] <inetpro> Cantide: https://plus.google.com/communities/117322247779910275992
[17:39] <queery> oops... i was also MIA the last month
[17:39] <HawkiesZA> I've been MIA for longer....
[17:40]  * HawkiesZA hangs head in shame
[17:40] <queery> i switched off G+ notifications sorry, been to busy for the mailing list and social media
[17:40] <kbmonkey> hello nuvolari and inetpro and queery too :)
[17:40] <inetpro> kbmonkey: wb
[17:40] <queery> hi kbmonkey 
[17:40] <nuvolari> inetpro: we need to give it time, I've noticed that people take time to join in on participation
[17:40] <nuvolari> hi kbmonkey :D Welcome
[17:41] <inetpro> nuvolari: anything else?
[17:41] <inetpro> I mean from the minutes
[17:41] <queery> yea I have CD's
[17:41] <nuvolari> well, with a lot I meant 2 items :P
[17:41] <superfly> Maaz_: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:41] <Maaz_> superfly: Okay
[17:41] <nuvolari> Social media and sharing information about ubuntu development
[17:42] <inetpro> ahh
[17:42] <nuvolari> I don't have much info in that section, hence my silence on the list :P
[17:42] <Cantide> i don't use G+ at all
[17:42] <Cantide> i would only use it for the Ubuntu group
[17:42] <Cantide> if it were more active
[17:42] <HawkiesZA> brb
[17:42]  * superfly is on G+ all the time
[17:42]  * inetpro noticed a lot of excitement for the upcoming release
[17:43] <superfly> all the Ingress stuff happens on G+
[17:43] <nuvolari> Cantide: it's very active... you just have to join in somewhere
[17:43] <nuvolari> In-what? I totally lost track :P
[17:43] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[17:43] <Cantide> :)
[17:43] <nuvolari> Maaz_: topic Administrativia and Announcements
[17:43] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Administrativia and Announcements
[17:44]  * kbmonkey pays attention
[17:44] <nuvolari> I guess for admin stuff we should try to convince more people to join the social media
[17:44] <nuvolari> I saw a post or 2 flame up on the forum
[17:45] <nuvolari> s/flame up/showed life/
[17:45] <HawkiesZA> back
[17:45] <magespawn> can we put links in the topic bar?
[17:45] <kbmonkey> does anyone here post on the ubuntu forums?
[17:46] <nuvolari> nu-uh
[17:46] <queery> to many things in topic bar
[17:46] <magespawn> now and then
[17:46] <inetpro> magespawn: what links?
[17:46] <magespawn> to the various social pages
[17:47] <inetpro> magespawn: I think twitter should be enough
[17:47] <queery> create a pge with links to all social sites and 1 link for all...
[17:47] <nuvolari> who manages the google+ page?
[17:47]  * inetpro puts a hand up
[17:47] <magespawn> +1 queery 
[17:47] <nuvolari> I've played around with the photo club's page and community and I first thought to get rid of the page
[17:47] <kbmonkey> +1 for queery's idea
[17:48] <nuvolari> but it turns out that the page is nice for 'profile' information and links
[17:48] <HawkiesZA> queery, Something about.me? I wonder if you can use that for something like this....
[17:48] <nuvolari> and then the activity in the community
[17:48] <kbmonkey> in fact, http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved has some links already
[17:48] <queery> maybe or ubuntu-za.co.za
[17:48] <queery> og org
[17:48] <kbmonkey> and link it on G+
[17:49] <queery> but a dedicated page like about.me
[17:49] <inetpro> G+ is linked on the homepage
[17:49] <queery> on ubuntu-za.org
[17:49] <inetpro> though not so visible
[17:49] <nuvolari> hmm, the got-involved page describe the sections, no links
[17:49] <nuvolari> or am I blind?
[17:49] <nuvolari> *get-involved
[17:49] <inetpro> I guess we should update the above mentioned page as well
[17:50] <inetpro> anyone can get involved and help updating 
[17:50] <kbmonkey> hmmtrue that nuvolari, its a linkless link page
[17:50] <queery> hehehe
[17:51] <magespawn> okay i will update the page 
[17:51] <queery> yeai
[17:51] <queery> agreed
[17:51] <queery> i mean maaz agreed...
[17:51]  * nuvolari checks out the live chat
[17:51] <Kilos> +1 magespawn 
[17:52] <inetpro> ai!
[17:52] <queery> nuvi....
[17:53] <nuviweb> howdy
[17:53] <nuviweb> just shared this to google+ :P hope someone shows up
[17:53] <inetpro> nuvolari: it still works
[17:53] <queery> magespawn, will you also please create the dedicated links page
[17:53] <nuvolari> it's there already, just need actual links
[17:54] <queery> ok
[17:54] <magespawn> okay no prob, on ubuntu-za.org
[17:54] <nuvolari> the home page is the only link there
[17:54] <magespawn> ?
[17:54] <nuvolari> I can help with the google+ page's admin?
[17:55] <nuvolari> magespawn: yeah, http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved 
[17:55] <queery> ok just update the get-involved page magespawn 
[17:55] <magespawn> okay then
[17:56] <kbmonkey> I can log in to ubuntu-za.org but have no edit ability on that page
[17:56] <kbmonkey> if you do, thanks magespawn :)
[17:56] <superfly> just ask, and it shall be given unto you
[17:56] <kbmonkey> superfly, please can I have editability on the ubuntu-za wiki?
[17:57] <queery> a genie!
[17:57] <inetpro> I don't think there's much to help in administering the g+ page but you are welcome to make suggestions  and I may add you as admin if really necessary
[17:57] <inetpro> at the moment superfly and sflr are admins as well
[17:58] <inetpro> but sflr vanished somewhat
[17:58] <nuvolari> inetpro: well, the only info is the link back to the home page
[17:58] <nuvolari> no other links
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah
[17:58] <inetpro> nuvolari: ok let's address that later
[17:58]  * tumbleweed waves
[17:58] <superfly> kbmonkey: pm me your username please
[17:58] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed 
[17:58] <superfly> ohi tumbleweed :-)
[17:59] <nuvolari> Maaz_: agreed administer google+ about page with relevant links
[17:59] <Maaz_> Agreed: administer google+ about page with relevant links
[17:59] <Cantide> hey tumbleweed~
[17:59] <inetpro> or should we perhaps discuss the relevant links here?
[17:59] <Kilos> better give them now
[17:59] <Kilos> or they are left till next meet
[17:59] <inetpro> what links do you want there?
[18:00] <Vince-0> nice site!
[18:00] <superfly> kbmonkey: done
[18:00] <Kilos> you social guys gotta decide that
[18:00] <nuvolari> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/
[18:00] <inetpro> I don't think the G+ page should be a replacement for our website
[18:00] <kbmonkey> much obliged, mr fly!
[18:00] <nuvolari> http://ubuntu-za.org/irc-live-chat
[18:00] <superfly> you're most welcome, mr monkey
[18:00] <inetpro> ok
[18:00] <Kilos> hehe
[18:01] <nuvolari> http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[18:01] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:01] <queery> facebook?
[18:01] <queery> twitter
[18:01] <queery> G+
[18:01] <nuvolari> ah, I did not see the community section on the page before
[18:01] <Kilos> add you g+ link too
[18:01] <superfly> twitter.com/ubuntuza
[18:02] <queery> and deal extreme
[18:02] <Kilos> magespawn, you taking notes?
[18:02] <magespawn> maybe on the get suport page too?
[18:02] <queery> don't worry maaz is
[18:02] <magespawn> yes Kilos 
[18:03] <Kilos> good man
[18:03] <nuvolari> http://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuza/
[18:03] <nuvolari> 213 members!
[18:03] <nuvolari> I just don't hang out on FB
[18:03] <queery> who does
[18:03] <kbmonkey> ditto
[18:04] <nuvolari> ok, I think that's about all the links we can cover?
[18:04] <nuvolari> forum? We don't really promote the forum
[18:04] <nuvolari> for good reason
[18:04] <nuvolari> :P
[18:04] <nuvolari> I think
[18:04] <queery> we have a forum?
[18:05] <Vince-0> nice forum
[18:05] <nuvolari> wait, forget that I mentioned that
[18:05] <kbmonkey> not a community page as such, but askubuntu.com could be mentioned for support?
[18:05] <queery> Vince-0, is such a polite boy...
[18:05] <nuvolari> lol
[18:05] <Kilos> hehe
[18:05] <Vince-0> haai, I have awoken
[18:06] <nuvolari> oh dear, the time flies by quickly
[18:06] <kbmonkey> hey Vince-0, you misspelled soapbox :p
[18:06] <nuvolari> do we have anything more to mention in this section?
[18:06] <kbmonkey> nope, motion to move along...?
[18:06] <Vince-0> I do: it is better to pool support in the most active area unless there is a reason not to
[18:06] <queery> i
[18:06]  * Vince-0 closes
[18:07] <queery> and scene...
[18:07] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[18:07] <inetpro> nuvolari: done... links updated
[18:07] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro!
[18:07] <queery> on what?
[18:07] <nuvolari> Maaz_: topic Ubuntu+1 development status and community feedback
[18:07] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Ubuntu+1 development status and community feedback
[18:07] <nuvolari> queery: g+
[18:07] <queery> oh
[18:08] <queery> thanx inetpro 
[18:08] <inetpro> nuvolari: https://plus.google.com/b/112877206374340387802/112877206374340387802/about
[18:08] <inetpro> np
[18:08] <superfly> I haven't really had a chance to look into upgrading
[18:08] <nuvolari> that's pretty :>
[18:08] <superfly> to Ubuntu +1
[18:08] <queery> where is deal extreme
[18:08] <queery> love that site
[18:08] <nuvolari> anyone wants to take the lead for this topic?
[18:09] <nuvolari> please
[18:09] <nuvolari> :)
[18:09] <inetpro> tumbleweed: how about telling us about some of the awesomeness we can expect from the next release
[18:09] <Cantide> i don't use G+ enough... how do i follow that page, inetpro ?
[18:10] <inetpro> Cantide: just add it to your circles
[18:10] <queery> when will they fix drag and drop in unity
[18:10] <superfly> nuvolari, inetpro: I usually upgrade when the first beta comes out
[18:10]  * superfly uses a desktop that isn't broken
[18:10] <Cantide> h.. how >.<
[18:10] <queery> 0.o
[18:11] <Cantide> oh, i think i did already
[18:11] <Cantide> haha
[18:11] <Cantide> and that's why i can't see it now :p
[18:11] <nuvolari> the longer I stay off Unity, the less I like it :P
[18:11]  * Cantide wonders why he doesn't get notifications for it then :/
[18:11] <queery> im so going to somethign else
[18:11] <kbmonkey> I applaud the brave souls who are sticking with Unity's teething
[18:11] <queery> just not sure what...
[18:11]  * Cantide stops rambling so that conversation may proceed
[18:12] <Kilos> no man nuvolari  you fast learners should be able to handle the quirks
[18:12] <nuvolari> queery: xfce?
[18:12] <queery> dalk r gnome
[18:12] <superfly> Anyways... apparently KDE 4.10 is teh awesomesauce, but I haven't upgraded yet -- waiting for the beta
[18:12] <nuvolari> Kilos: it's nice eyecandy, but it gets in the way of productivity for me
[18:12] <kbmonkey> is +1 Raring Ringtail?
[18:12] <superfly> kbmonkey: indeed
[18:12] <queery> kde reminds me of windows to much
[18:13] <superfly> queery: it is so not windows
[18:13] <Kilos> wow
[18:13] <Kilos> queery, get stronger glasses
[18:13] <HawkiesZA> I thought kde was first...
[18:13] <kbmonkey> hand in your geek badge, please.
[18:13] <queery> it used to be the cross over platform
[18:13] <HawkiesZA> Not that I like it, but anyway....
[18:13] <superfly> queery: you can make KDE look and work like Unity if you want :-P
[18:13] <nuvolari> who are you talking to kbmonkey ? :P
[18:13] <queery> nooooooooo
[18:14] <queery> me nuvolari 
[18:14] <nuvolari> oh lol :P
[18:14] <kbmonkey> just kidding ;P
[18:14] <queery> ok ill look into it
[18:14] <nuvolari> Maybe I should try out KDE again some time
[18:14] <queery> havnt seen kde in 5 years
[18:14] <Kilos> its lekker nuvolari 
[18:14] <nuvolari> it's just all the dependencies that makes me ill 
[18:14] <kbmonkey> here are links to Raring Ringtails release schedule, common problems, and other links: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2073477
[18:15] <nuvolari> well, from what I can last remember
[18:15] <nuvolari> should we discuss the global jam here or under events?
[18:15] <superfly> nuvolari: like Gnome/XFCE/LXDE/etc don't have dependencies?
[18:16] <kbmonkey> under events nuvolari 
[18:16] <nuvolari> superfly: not that they don't have dependencies, but the base install is smaller
[18:16] <queery> are we still on topic
[18:16] <superfly> nuvolari: how sure are you of that? have you tried installing Gnome on Kubuntu?
[18:16] <queery> Maaz_, topic
[18:16] <Maaz_> queery: What?
[18:17] <queery> Maaz_, current topic
[18:17] <Maaz_> queery: Sorry...
[18:17] <kbmonkey> we are on Ubuntu+1
[18:17] <queery> oh
[18:17] <inetpro> lol
[18:17] <nuvolari> superfly: nope, but taking iso size as a measurement
[18:17] <Cantide> running out of time :/
[18:17] <kbmonkey> I can't add anything else for this
[18:17] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[18:17] <nuvolari> Maaz_: topic Events
[18:17] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Events
[18:18] <Cantide> it looks like they're focusing on the Dash for 13.04; are they?
[18:18] <Cantide> oh :/
[18:18]  * Cantide is too slow
[18:18] <nuvolari> tumbleweed: the floor is open
[18:18] <queery> who wants to do an ubunu hour in jhb?
[18:18] <HawkiesZA> As in who wants to join? Or who wants to organise?
[18:18] <queery> either
[18:19] <HawkiesZA> Well I'm always down for a good cup of coffee
[18:19] <queery> i don't mind org but only if someone comes
[18:19] <nuvolari> we had a productive meeting in durbs
[18:19] <HawkiesZA> Added bonus, I might have Ubuntu Phone installed
[18:19] <nuvolari> and we'll have a hangout this Thursday
[18:19] <queery> ooooeooeoeeeee
[18:19] <HawkiesZA> Images are releasing this week, so guess who's flashing his GNexus? :D
[18:19] <queery> who?
[18:20] <nuvolari> anyone saw the video from Richard Stallman on Ubuntu phone?
[18:20] <nuvolari> I think it was a video
[18:20] <HawkiesZA> nuvolari, link?
[18:20] <HawkiesZA> He probably went insane
[18:20] <nuvolari> HawkiesZA: looking for it
[18:20] <superfly> nuvolari: it wouldn't be a video, cause otherwise it might be encoded in non-free formats!
[18:20] <nuvolari> I think Vince-0 shared it
[18:20] <nuvolari> lol superfly 
[18:20] <nuvolari> true
[18:20] <HawkiesZA> Probably called it the devil or something
[18:21] <Vince-0> yes indeed from Alan Pope
[18:21] <SmilyBorg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CP8CNp-vksc
[18:21] <Vince-0> I think it was a Muktware interview
[18:21] <queery> didn;t he step down?
[18:21] <queery> oh alan pope
[18:22] <nuvolari> thanks SmilyBorg 
[18:22] <SmilyBorg> np
[18:22] <superfly> anyway, tumbleweed said he was keen to organise a global jam
[18:22] <superfly> in cape town
[18:23] <superfly> I'm keen to go (maybe help out)
[18:23]  * queery gets his bass...
[18:23] <nuvolari> info on the UbuntuGlobalJam - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2013-February/010201.html
[18:23] <kbmonkey> car is out of service for a while, I can't meet for a week or 2
[18:24] <nuvolari> did any other events take place in the last month?
[18:24] <queery> nothing ubuntu related this side
[18:24] <Cantide> i have yet to attend a meet up in Durban, but i am still keen '-';
[18:24] <nuvolari> It seems that when the other areas become quiet, durbs pick up activity :D
[18:24] <queery> hehe
[18:25] <Cantide> :)
[18:25] <nuvolari> ok if we move on?
[18:25] <Kilos> ya
[18:25] <queery> wait
[18:25] <nuvolari> Any last topic that someone wants to add?
[18:25]  * superfly needs to get kids to bed as of 25 minutes ago
[18:25] <superfly> meetings need to be 30 minutes?
[18:25] <queery> we need more ubuntu hours. esp in CT
[18:26] <superfly> I tried organising one, but no one even piped up to say, "hey, I'm interested"
[18:26] <queery> ai
[18:26] <inetpro> lol
[18:26] <Kilos> we need to revive maia
[18:26] <nuvolari> well, 30 minutes is a bit too short IMO 
[18:27] <Cantide> we just spent 1 hour, and it hasn't been enough
[18:27] <nuvolari> Cantide: we struggled to fill an hour in the past :P
[18:27] <kbmonkey> I think 30 minutes is good. to get through the administrativia. the second half should be casual hangout time
[18:27] <queery> get her a VitB injection
[18:27] <nuvolari> not a problem these days
[18:27] <kbmonkey> it may help to use an egg timer ;)
[18:28] <nuvolari> pomodoro, or something like that
[18:28] <queery> ok ill org another Ubuntu hour in JHB
[18:28] <queery> HawkiesZA, need your help
[18:28] <nuvolari> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique
[18:28] <HawkiesZA> With?
[18:29] <HawkiesZA> nuvolari, make maaz do that :D
[18:29] <nuvolari> heh, not my expertise
[18:29] <nuvolari> ok, rounding up
[18:29] <inetpro> nuvolari: interesting concept
[18:29] <kbmonkey> hey I like that nuvolari, good find.
[18:29] <queery> getting more peeps
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz_: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:30] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:30] <queery> nuvolari!
[18:30] <Kilos> SmilyBorg, when you gonna bring your lug peeps here?
[18:30] <HawkiesZA> queery, Can do my best. I think once it is up, we'll chat about it in LTG. We should also post an invite on the H4H board.
[18:31] <queery> yes
[18:31] <queery> sounds gr8
[18:31] <nuvolari> we should do an inter-lug meeting :P
[18:31] <SmilyBorg> Kilos: most of the more dedicated ones are already here
[18:31] <inetpro> I think at some point we need more peeps to stand in as chair but I go with nuvolari for now
[18:31] <nuvolari> ok, yeah, I'm available for chairing on the 21st of March
[18:31] <Kilos> nuvolari, ++
[18:31] <Squirm> lo
[18:31] <SmilyBorg> ie nuvolari, kbmonkey and Vince-0
[18:32] <Kilos> you getting good nuvolari 
[18:32]  * nuvolari smacks Squirm
[18:32] <nuvolari> you're late!
[18:32] <inetpro> nuvolari: he can still sign in
[18:32] <nuvolari> :> heh, thanks oom Kilos 
[18:32] <kbmonkey> how about it nuvolari? I can alternate with you if you like?
[18:32] <nuvolari> Squirm: you can sign for attendance
[18:32] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I have no issue with that
[18:33] <inetpro> ok, who do I put up as the chair for next meeting?
[18:33] <kbmonkey> cool. then put me down for standby :)
[18:33] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: are you good for the next one?
[18:33] <inetpro> BTW, I think everyone should try to spend some time on agenda items before the meeting
[18:33] <kbmonkey> sure, I'll take it!
[18:33] <nuvolari> ok cool
[18:33] <nuvolari> inetpro: kbmonkey for next chair
[18:33] <inetpro> ok
[18:33] <nuvolari> I'll be around for support
[18:34] <inetpro> I'll try to get the next agenda up in  a few minutes
[18:34] <kbmonkey> thanks inet
[18:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz_, agreed kbmonkey to chair next meeting
[18:34] <Maaz_> Agreed: kbmonkey to chair next meeting
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz_: agreed kbmonkey as chair for meeting on the 21st of March
[18:34] <Maaz_> Agreed: kbmonkey as chair for meeting on the 21st of March
[18:34] <kbmonkey> oh snap
[18:34] <nuvolari> eek
[18:34] <nuvolari> lol
[18:35] <Squirm> Maaz_: I am Sinjin Swanepoel
[18:35] <Maaz_> Squirm: Sure
[18:35] <kbmonkey> sorry
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz_: topic closing
[18:35] <Maaz_> Current Topic: closing
[18:35] <queery> thanx all
[18:35] <nuvolari> Good, thanks for attending everyone
[18:35] <Squirm> nuvolari: soz, was at a motivational speech thing
[18:35] <Kilos> thanks nuvolari and all attendees
[18:35] <nuvolari> it was a productive meeting I think
[18:35] <inetpro> hmm... did I say Next meeting: Monday, 21 March 2013 at 19:30 ?
[18:35] <kbmonkey> so you can cheer us out on closing, Squirm :)
[18:35] <inetpro> looks wrong 
[18:36] <nuvolari> caught up with some items that fell of the wagon during the month
[18:36] <nuvolari> inetpro: you did
[18:36] <kbmonkey> that seems wrong,
[18:36] <queery> 18 march
[18:36] <Kilos> 18th inetpro 
[18:36] <Squirm> It's Thurs 21 March
[18:36] <inetpro> yep 18 March
[18:36] <nuvolari> should be 18th
[18:36] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <nuvolari> whoops, I just took the date for granted
[18:37] <nuvolari> Maaz_: agreed correction on next meeting date: 18 March 2013
[18:37] <Maaz_> Agreed: correction on next meeting date: 18 March 2013
[18:37] <Kilos> not often following meets on same date
[18:37] <Cantide> oh~ it's also a Monday!
[18:37] <tumbleweed> oh, sorry my attention was elsewhere and people have been pinging me
[18:37]  * Cantide has to run! 안녕~
[18:37] <kbmonkey> the 3rd Monday of each month
[18:37] <Kilos> toods Cantide 
[18:38] <nuvolari> want to squeeze something in tumbleweed?
[18:38] <tumbleweed> nuvolari: well, global jam
[18:38] <inetpro> kbmonkey: are you a member of ubuntuza on launchpad?
[18:38] <nuvolari> Maaz_: topic GlobalJam
[18:38] <Maaz_> Current Topic: GlobalJam
[18:39] <tumbleweed> sat / sunday next weekend? any preferences?
[18:39] <tumbleweed> I've got a few people who seemed interested, but nobody had a preferred day
[18:40] <kbmonkey> inetpro, I was, but I think my membership expired.
[18:40] <tumbleweed> also highvoltage should be there, so I expect us to have way more people who have experince with ubuntu development than normal
[18:40] <inetpro> tumbleweed: let's get people to respond in some way about a preferred time
[18:40] <inetpro> we can advertise on twitter and g+
[18:40] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I'll post on the list, and organise it, some time this week
[18:40] <kbmonkey> I was offline for a few weeks, during which I got emails notifying me of it, but saw them too late :p
[18:41] <inetpro> tumbleweed: just give us times as well
[18:41] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I'm fairly easy
[18:41] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  renew it
[18:41] <kbmonkey> okay, renewed
[18:41] <nuvolari> ok good, up for discussion on the list?
[18:41] <tumbleweed> yeah
[18:42] <nuvolari> Maaz_: agreed organise times for GlobalJam on the mailing list
[18:42] <Maaz_> Agreed: organise times for GlobalJam on the mailing list
[18:42] <tumbleweed> I also want to organise a Debian Bug Squashing Party some time soon
[18:42] <tumbleweed> but that'll be after global jam
[18:42] <inetpro> sounds very worthwhile to attend that
[18:42] <kbmonkey> tumbleweed, I will like to join that, see how its done
[18:42] <queery> http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2013/02/18/ubuntu-hour-sunday-3-march-2013
[18:43] <magespawn> indeed learn a lot
[18:43] <nuvolari> about to close off (in 2 minutes)
[18:43] <nuvolari> (over-run by 15 min :P)
[18:43] <inetpro> Maaz_: nuvolari ++ (for another good meeting)
[18:43] <Kilos> here hre
[18:43] <Kilos> here too
[18:44] <Kilos> ai
[18:44] <Kilos> hear hear
[18:44] <queery> sorry http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2013/02/18/ubuntu-hour-jhb-sunday-3-march-2013
[18:44] <magespawn> maybe ubuntu hours could also have a g+ hangout
[18:44] <queery> yes please
[18:45] <nuvolari> ending
[18:45] <queery> well its more pta than jhb
[18:45] <nuvolari> Maaz_: end meeting
[18:45] <Maaz_> Meeting Ended
[18:45] <Maaz_> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-02-18-17-30-02.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-02-18-17-30-02.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-02-18-17-30-02.html
[18:45] <kbmonkey> thanks nuvolari 
[18:45] <nuvolari> You're welcome :)
[18:45] <nuvolari> thanks everyone
[18:45] <Kilos> dankie seun
[18:45] <kbmonkey> i'll bring my egg timer to the next one
[18:45] <Kilos> thanks for making it inetpro 
[18:46] <HawkiesZA> queery, Dropping it in the shownotes for this week
[18:46] <nuvolari> lol, I can imagine us all sitting with timers 
[18:46] <queery> Thank you!!!!
[18:46] <magespawn> synced through the internet please
[18:46] <queery> ill send you all the links (if I can find your email address
[18:46] <queery> )
[18:46] <Kilos> a bit over the hour isnt serious man its one hour a month
[18:47] <magespawn> me?
[18:47] <queery> no HawkiesZA 
[18:48] <HawkiesZA> Not dropping it in the shownotes?
[18:48] <kbmonkey> that youtube video to stallman does not want to play
[18:48] <kbmonkey> the irony
[18:48] <HawkiesZA> I'm confused now
[18:48] <queery> hu?
[18:49] <HawkiesZA> No?
[18:49] <HawkiesZA> Ohhhhh
[18:49]  * HawkiesZA bangs head on desk
[18:49] <kbmonkey> magespawn, can I update the get-involved page or will you?
[18:49] <queery> haha
[18:50] <Kilos> ok josvis tell us about yourself
[18:50] <kbmonkey> I take it everyone had a long Monday :p
[18:51] <magespawn> i can if you want
[18:51] <kbmonkey> cool
[18:51] <magespawn> done then
[18:51] <nuvolari> hungary
[18:51] <kbmonkey> thanks :)
[18:51] <nuvolari> I are hungary
[18:51] <nuvolari> :P
[18:52] <nuvolari> bbiab
[18:52] <kbmonkey> same here nuvolari. just walked in time for the meet.
[18:52] <kbmonkey> going to munch before its too late
[18:52] <magespawn> hungery?
[18:52] <Kilos> kbmonkey, now dont stay away till the 18th of next month hey
[18:52] <kbmonkey> lol!
[18:52] <kbmonkey> no sir
[18:52] <Kilos> hehe
[18:53] <kbmonkey> you keep us on our toes Kilos 
[18:53] <Kilos> i try
[18:53] <Kilos> nuvolari, also been slacking
[18:54] <Kilos> thats durban for you
[18:54] <kbmonkey> we need to move to the island of Ubuntu to dedicate all our time
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: before I forget, do GloriaJeans sell coffee?
[18:54] <kbmonkey> ja ja, us developers are over worked and under payed ;D
[18:55] <superfly> I don't know if mrs_fly_ would be happy with that
[18:55] <josvis> Kilos, I watched with amazement these +- 2 hours. Thought I was looking at life on Mars
[18:55] <Kilos> why josvis 
[18:55] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, yes they do. Its a coffee shoppe.
[18:55] <Kilos> have you only just installed ubuntu?
[18:55] <nuvolari> lol, I mean, bags of coffee to brew at home
[18:55] <kbmonkey> oooh. yes they do!
[18:56] <Kilos> Maaz_, coffee on
[18:56]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[18:57] <kbmonkey> their ground coffee is also fair trade and / or environmentally ecological. well their HQ coffee was at least.
[18:57] <Kilos> Maaz_, large
[18:57] <Maaz_> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[18:57] <Kilos> inetpro, coffee
[18:57] <inetpro> Maaz_: coffee please
[18:57] <Maaz_> inetpro: Yessir
[18:58] <kbmonkey> needs to tap haste ability for attacking chores
[18:58] <magespawn> Maaz_: coffee please
[18:58] <Maaz_> magespawn: Yessir
[18:58] <superfly> josvis: it can get a bit hairy if you're not used to the "everyone talks at once to no-one in particular" style that is common in IRC
[18:59] <Kilos> hehe
[18:59] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: uploading a snap of coffee that my sis bought in Australia
[18:59] <josvis> Kilos, as a newbie, the language, the jargon - amazing. Felt like a new world to me. (OK English is my 3rd after German & Afr - in that order)
[18:59] <nuvolari> only saw tonight that it's GloriaJeans coffee
[18:59] <Kilos> ah we have another german here too
[19:00] <Kilos> inetpro, you got company
[19:00] <inetpro> uh
[19:00] <kbmonkey> ah welcome josvis, how rude of me. here, have a cookie, there's also coffee, but Maaz_ our resident bot and waitron does not serve beer (yet!)
[19:00]  * inetpro was busy with the new agenda
[19:00] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos, inetpro and magespawn!
[19:01] <inetpro> Maaz_: thanks
[19:01] <Maaz_> inetpro: No problem
[19:01] <Kilos> Maaz_, danke
[19:01] <Maaz_> Bitteschön
[19:02] <Kilos> josvis, are you using ubuntu?
[19:02] <Kilos> if you need help this is the right place
[19:02] <Kilos> most linux distros too
[19:03] <kbmonkey> that G+ whats hot posts are pretty annoying
[19:03] <inetpro> josvis: jy's ook welkom om in Afrikaans te praat hier
[19:03] <superfly> inetpro: net 'n bietjie
[19:03] <nuvolari> why must I get upset bfore things start to work
[19:03] <Kilos> hehe
[19:03] <josvis> superfly, you are right. I need lots of teaching. In this race Im not out the starting blocks
[19:04] <inetpro> josvis: oder auch Deutsch, aber leider verstehen dann die wenigsten
[19:04] <superfly> English is the official language of communication, due to the fact that not everyone in here understands Afrikaans
[19:04] <HawkiesZA> kbmonkey, a part of me wants to comment "liek dis if u cry evrytim" with every one of them. That would be the troll in me I guess...
[19:04] <kbmonkey> ah, you can turn them off. win.
[19:05] <Kilos> hes like i was 3 years ago
[19:05] <Kilos> duh whats sudo?
[19:05] <inetpro> and we still have #ubuntu-afr for the afrikaans die hards
[19:05] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:05] <superfly> josvis: it is usually easiest in IRC to latch onto the people who are talking to you specifically, and then only pay attention to them, until you can handle the free-for-all
[19:06] <nuvolari> ugh. will shout if it eventually uploaded kbmonkey 
[19:07] <kbmonkey> sure nuvolari! but don't forget about the noms...
[19:07] <josvis> inetpro, danke schön
[19:07] <inetpro> josvis: just keep coming back here
[19:08] <inetpro> people here are always willing to share the knowledge they may have
[19:08] <inetpro> the more you share the more you learn
[19:08] <Kilos> ok josvis is you prefer afrikaans till you are going strong then type /j #ubuntu-afr
[19:09] <Kilos> between there nad here well get you going
[19:09] <Kilos> and
[19:09] <josvis> Kilos, yes I do use Ubuntu, love it but cannot get rid if Windows. I use dual-boot
[19:09] <Kilos> many guys do josvis because of work stuff
[19:10] <josvis> Kilos, I know about #ubuntu but there seems to be almost no movement
[19:11] <Kilos> that channel can be a madhouse at times. here is better and you get help quicker and friendlier
[19:11] <Kilos> this is the friendliest help channel online
[19:12] <Kilos> #ubuntu-afr is our afrikaans channel
[19:13] <Kilos> the guys converted me from a mechanic to person with clean hands
[19:13] <inetpro> smile4ever: wb
[19:13]  * inetpro lol @ Kilos
[19:14] <inetpro> clean heads?
[19:14] <inetpro> ai!
[19:14] <inetpro> I read that wrong
[19:14] <inetpro> clean hands 
[19:14] <magespawn> lol
[19:15]  * inetpro thought he found something new again
[19:15] <magespawn> superfly gifs or png for website graphics?
[19:15] <superfly> png
[19:15] <Kilos> toppie
[19:15] <inetpro> +1 on png
[19:16] <magespawn> okay well that makes it easier the 
[19:16] <magespawn> then
[19:18] <smile4ever> hi :)
[19:18] <smile4ever> inetpro: thanks
[19:18] <smile4ever> :D
[19:18] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[19:18] <smile4ever> my bot did a good job today
[19:18] <smile4ever> :)
[19:19] <smile4ever> hi Kilos
[19:19] <josvis> Kilos and all other, thanks for reaching out
[19:19] <magespawn> hey smile4ever
[19:20] <Kilos> np josvis you are welcome here
[19:20] <smile4ever> hi magespawn
[19:20] <Kilos> wow -afr has more then my channel
[19:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:21] <Kilos> than 
[19:21] <nuvolari> does anyone know of a bitorrent client that can be scheduled?
[19:21] <josvis> Kilos, I use Windows not because I want to or need to but Ubuntu forces me to keep it
[19:21] <superfly> josvis: how is that?
[19:21] <nuvolari> I don't want to wake up at midnight to start stuff :P
[19:22] <magespawn> nuvolari: doesn't k-torrent do that?
[19:22] <superfly> nuvolari: on KDE I'd run a cron job which would use DBus to start KTorrent
[19:22] <superfly> pidsticks
[19:22] <superfly> haven't the foggiest on a non-KDE system
[19:22] <SmilyBorg> nuvolari: torrentflux is a web based one that has scheduling I think
[19:22] <SmilyBorg> been years since I last looked at it though
[19:22]  * nuvolari turns cold on the sound of kde
[19:23] <Kilos> nee man
[19:23] <nuvolari> SmilyBorg: thanks, I'll check it out
[19:23] <Kilos> k3b is much better than brasero as well
[19:23] <Kilos> lotsa kde stuff is good
[19:23] <superfly> magespawn: heh. brilliant. there's a scheduler plugin for KTorrent
[19:24] <magespawn> thought i saw something loke that when iwas messing around
[19:24] <magespawn> s/loke/like
[19:24] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[19:24] <Kilos> well done
[19:25] <josvis> superfly, apparently there is no comparable substitute for Pinnacle Studio with its Dazzle capturing plugin
[19:25] <superfly> Pinnacle Studio? heard of that, will have to Google it...
[19:26] <superfly> josvis: you've tried kdenlive?
[19:27] <superfly> oh, looks like PS is like a one-click-now-you-have-fancy-videos-without-needing-to-know-how-to-do-the-hard-work app
[19:28] <josvis> superfly, yes I have
[19:28] <superfly> josvis: tried it in WINE?
[19:29] <nuvolari> lol... "There is Ktorrent, I've heard lots of good things about, but I'm not going to install half of KDE to find out."
[19:29] <Kilos> hehe
[19:29] <smile4ever> I have to go, good night everyone :)
[19:30] <Kilos> night smile4ever 
[19:30] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:30] <inetpro> smile4ever: goeie nag ou grootte
[19:30] <Kilos> night all of you . sleep tight
[19:30] <smile4ever> jy ook, inetpro
[19:30] <smile4ever> thanks Kilos :)
[19:30] <nuvolari> ah, think the one I tried to remember was doluge
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: goeie nag Oom
[19:30] <nuvolari> *deluge
[19:30] <smile4ever> "slaapwel", Kilos
[19:30] <nuvolari> nag oom Kilos 
[19:30] <Kilos> dankie julle
[19:32] <inetpro> superfly, tumbleweed: so who of you is going to send the invitation for the UGJ?
[19:32]  * magespawn needs to move to city again
[19:32] <josvis> superfly, no I have not nor on virtualbox.   
[19:33] <superfly> inetpro: tumbleweed, I can't organise anything
[19:33]  * inetpro just wants echo it on twitter and g+
[19:34] <magespawn> superfly: why?
[19:34] <superfly> magespawn: tumbleweed usually organises the facilities too, which I can't do
[19:34] <magespawn> ah
[19:36] <josvis> superfly, do you think Wine or virtualbox can handle Pinnacle Studio with TV-decoder connected to Pinnacle Dazzle DVC 130 to record video & audio, edit same and burn content to DVD. Ubuntu does not read, recognise or support plugged-in Dazzle DVC130.
[19:36] <nuvolari> :> nice
[19:37] <inetpro> tumbleweed: let me know when you have more details
[19:38] <superfly> josvis: I haven't a clue. Ubuntu probably does see the hardware, but since it is proprietary hardware it probably doesn't have any drivers for it. And I know Corel doesn't care about Linux (they think that everyone on Linux expects everything to be free, which is a fallacy - just ask Valve Software)
[19:38] <superfly> josvis: so your likelyhood for getting a Linux driver is somewhere between slim and non-existent.
[19:38] <superfly> I'd probably still Google for it
[19:43] <superfly> talking of which, GamerHeads, there's a MASSIVE sale on Steam Linux games
[19:44] <josvis> With Oom Kilos and others signing off,  when is this channel most active?
[19:45] <magespawn> morning and evening sa time
[19:46] <superfly> josvis: between about 6 and 8pm, SAST
[19:46] <superfly> though there are some of us who are active for most waking hours
[19:46] <superfly> (and then some)
[19:51] <nuvolari> superfly: I don't understand? re. 'but is it fair trade?'
[19:51] <nuvolari> I'm not into trading at all :P
[19:51] <superfly> nuvolari: fair trade is when they pay the coffee growers a decent amount 
[19:51] <nuvolari> ah
[19:52] <magespawn> instead of doing a nescafe
[19:52] <superfly> nuvolari: coffee growers are typically paid a pittance for hours and hours of hard labour
[19:52] <superfly> nuvolari: we have some kenyan friends who grew up on coffee farms, and if you knew what actually happens there you'd be disgusted and swear off coffee
[19:53] <superfly> which is why I buy fair trade coffee
[19:53] <superfly> http://www.beanthere.co.za/uncover/fair-trade
[19:53] <nuvolari> hmm,  I don't know about this coffee, I got it from my sis in Australia 
[19:53] <nuvolari> I have no hand in being evil! *cough*
[19:54] <magespawn> in deals that are sanctioned between big coffe companies and governments usually
[19:54] <superfly> in which the growers have no say
[19:55] <superfly> and are treated as glorified slaves
[19:59] <nuvolari> superfly: http://pastebin.com/g9SSdyxa not sure if that is good enough?
[20:03] <nuvolari> lol, i'm getting really worked up on people using hashtags on facebook as if it's going out of fashion... without realising how, er, 'less smart' it looks when you know facebook doesn't support hastags :P
[20:04] <superfly> nuvolari: twitter doesn't support hash tags either
[20:05] <superfly> nuvolari: http://dailycoffeenews.com/2013/02/12/the-failure-of-fair-trade-and-four-steps-moving-forward/
[20:06] <nuvolari> superfly: eh? why is it creating links from #hashedtext?
[20:06] <superfly> nuvolari: it was forced on twitter, much in the same way it is now being forced on Facebook
[20:06] <superfly> hash tags were not Twitter's idea, it is something that the geeks who started using Twitter did
[20:07] <nuvolari> ah, understood!
[20:08] <magespawn> good night y'all
[20:08] <nuvolari> good night magespawn 
[20:09] <superfly> meh. so many awesome games to buy on Steam, so little money :-(
[20:14] <kbmonkey> have a good night all!
[20:14] <Vince-0> nite
[20:14] <Vince-0> superfly, which games on the top of the list
[20:16] <superfly> Vince-0: I have a number of them already (thanks to the Humble Bundles), but World of Goo is brilliant
[20:16] <superfly> Steel Storm is fun to play
[20:16] <josvis> good night all and thks for help
[20:16] <superfly> The Journey Down, short as it is, is rather funny
[20:17] <superfly> Penumbra Overture is freaking scary!
[20:17] <Vince-0> Bastion is quality
[20:17] <superfly> was just about to say
[20:17] <superfly> I haven't played it, though I have it
[20:17] <superfly> uplink is pretty darn awesome too
[20:17] <Vince-0> half life 1?
[20:17] <superfly> apparently brilliant, never played it
[20:18] <superfly> Anomaly is also very cool
[20:18] <superfly> got it on my phone
[20:18] <superfly> osmos is frustrating
[20:18] <superfly> (because of my general inability to play games)
[20:18] <Vince-0> half life1 was epic for its time - the LAN deathmatch was comparable with Quake in fun
[20:19] <superfly> I remember playing Counter Strike back in the day, it was pretty epic
[20:19] <Vince-0> for its time
[20:20] <superfly> some folks have said that Faster Than Light is pretty cool - it didn't look appealing to me
[20:20] <superfly> I've got Trine 1, and if Trine 2 is anything like it, it's pretty fantastic
[20:21] <superfly> oh, and the game that everyone is talking about is Serious Sam
[20:22] <superfly> wow, lots of blood looks to be an understatement
[20:22] <Vince-0> ya its like duke nukem, of which the latest one was crap
[20:22] <Vince-0> SS3 can be fun in coop
[20:27] <Vince-0> peace out!