[03:30] <nicfer> hello
[03:32] <nicfer> for a pc with 256mb ram I shall use the alternative install right?
[03:32] <wxl> nicfer: i'd recommend it
[03:33] <nicfer> also, I connect with an usb wifi adapter
[03:35] <wxl> are you asking or telling?
[03:35] <nicfer> does alt handle it? it's a rtl8187, dmesg tells me it's detected, but there is no iwconfig or something as far as I looked
[03:37] <holstein> nicfer: you end up with the same thing
[03:37] <holstein> nicfer: depends on the chipset... i would run lspci and search around
[03:39] <nicfer> it's usb... rtl8187, kernel detects it but t
[03:39] <nicfer> installer not
[03:42] <holstein> nicfer: i just install, and use the network with the installed os
[03:42] <holstein> i dont download with the installer
[15:30] <Kuroda_Shun> I have a question that may roll oyur eyes.... If my work pc is set up exactly the way I want it.. Can i save my image as an ISO with all the bells and whistles attached so I done have to "remember" all the software I have installed?
[15:32] <holstein> Kuroda_Shun: sure... its open technology, so the answer is pretty much always yes
[15:32] <Kuroda_Shun> holstein: yes... but what software does it?
[15:32] <holstein> now, what are easy ways to do that? ..typically, one might use the synaptic package manager to "save" basically a list of what is installed
[15:32] <Kuroda_Shun> i have a package list of my installs
[15:33] <holstein> then, you could save your home directory, *all* of it... even the hidden files, and that would restore your settings
[15:33] <holstein> when folks ask "how can i clone, or move my install?".. i usually suggest since its so close to what you would do for a backup, just take this time to make sure you have a good backup system in place
[15:33] <Kuroda_Shun> but I would like to "package" it into an iso to share
[15:34] <holstein> that could be as automated as using ubuntuone or something like dropbox, or literally dragging your files over to a USB drive
[15:34] <holstein> Kuroda_Shun: i have used clonezilla, a seperate live distro, for creating basically backup images of my installations
[15:34] <Kuroda_Shun> ok. thanks for all the info
[15:35] <holstein> since the linux kernel is modular, you can usually get away with taking a cloned install to another machine
[15:35] <Kuroda_Shun> thats what I want to do
[15:35] <holstein> there are also systems designed to do bacially *exactly* what you are trying to do, such as remastersys
[15:36] <holstein> i have had questionable success with remastersys and ubuntu customization kit..etc... so i usually just either manaually backup my data, or do a clonezilla clone
[15:37] <Kuroda_Shun> i dont really need to back up my data since i use Dropbox to work from.. But the package list is what I want to include in my .iso as well as the lubuntu install
[15:38] <Kuroda_Shun> so it is all installed together
[15:38] <Kuroda_Shun> ill read about clonezilla and remastersys
[15:38] <holstein> Kuroda_Shun: i choose not to do that.. packages change, and break.. and are you including a PPA? that could get problematic quick
[15:38] <Kuroda_Shun> ohh didn't think of that
[15:38] <holstein> but, anyways.. you can do literally any of the varieties of backup or cloing you want
[15:39] <holstein> cloning*
[15:40] <Kuroda_Shun> i want to keep it as slim limned as I possibly can.. to be able to re image my machine and be back up and running in about an hour :)
[15:40] <Kuroda_Shun> *linned
[15:40] <Kuroda_Shun> *lined
[15:40] <holstein> Kuroda_Shun: that also depends on what you want at the end.. how old your image is.. and how many upgrades are available, assuming you would want that
[15:41] <holstein> if your image is 6 months old and you are on a slow-ish network, it could take hours to do "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[15:41] <holstein> that is not something that you can change with software
[15:41] <holstein> but, you can roll up whatever you want however you want
[15:42] <holstein> what do i do? i keep a manual copy or copies of my actual "important" data and the actual install is more flexible
[15:42] <Kuroda_Shun> that is how I do it already
[15:43] <holstein> i have a small list of applictaions that i like to use, and usually install, but sometimes i dont want them on every reinstallation, or i find better solutions, or newer versions.. or older, more compatible ones for my needs
[15:43] <Kuroda_Shun> but with a different linux image most of the time
[15:43] <holstein> i think what you are looking for is your own OS
[15:43] <holstein> and, you can see in a model such as any of the ubuntu variants, how challenging it can be to maintain that image
[15:44] <Kuroda_Shun> yeah, i dont have that kind of time to spare... nice thought though
[15:44] <holstein> not that you shoudnt try, or cant.. just that, ofr my needs, i find during maintaining those images, due to changes in my preferences, or upgrades or changes, i find that the efforts are a waste of time
[15:44] <Kuroda_Shun> thanks holstein, you are always here to sort me out
[15:45] <holstein> that being said, i dont reimage like 20 machines a month for a buisness
[15:45] <holstein> in that case, i probably would want to do more work on the front end
[15:45] <holstein> Kuroda_Shun: sure. anytime :)
[15:50] <boyOfClod> new to l ubuntu
[15:51] <boyOfClod> how to i change key layout after selecting try
[15:51] <boyOfClod> *do
[15:51] <holstein> boyOfClod: same as for a normal install
[15:52] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455877
[15:52] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/102344/switching-keyboard-layouts-in-lubuntu-11-10
[15:54] <boyOfClod> smaaaaaaaash
[15:54] <boyOfClod> :D
[15:57] <holstein> boyOfClod: you can check out the #lubuntu-offopic channel for chat.. thanks!
[16:01] <boyOfClod> failed to figure out how to alternate between qwerty and dvorak without manually changing in settings
[16:01] <boyOfClod> necessary for other users
[16:03] <holstein> boyOfClod: you can manually change is settings.. there are other settings managers
[16:03] <holstein> boyOfClod: when you install, you can set that up for whatever user
[16:15] <manOfClod> previously attempting to install lubuntu resulted in grub not installed
[16:15] <manOfClod> reattempting, so far so well
[16:44] <user> hello. Has anyone tried out any the latest 13.04 betas? Is 13.04 stable enough for home desktop use yet?
[16:46] <holstein> user: i would use #ubuntu+1 for the upcoming not yet released versions of ubuntu
[16:47] <holstein> user: its not a stable release, and "stable enough" is a matter of opinion
[16:48] <user> thanks
[17:56] <nicfer> hi
[17:57] <nicfer> I'm having dependency issues with the alternative installer
[17:57] <holstein> yeah?
[17:58] <holstein> nicfer: i would just install the OS, and dont add any extra packages there
[17:58] <holstein> after you get installed, then sudo apt-get update and install what you want.. and all should be well
[17:59] <nicfer> things like lubuntu-desktop depends on lxpanel-indicator applet but it isn't installable or similar
[18:00] <holstein> nicfer: i would check the iso you are using.. and dont insatll upgrades while you are installing
[18:03] <nicfer> I'm using a usb drive since this pc has no cd reader
[20:27] <DonaldDuck74> hi all
[20:27] <DonaldDuck74> someone knows how I can solve a problem connection with mimms
[20:29] <DonaldDuck74> the error is : mimms  mms://url...wmv    Connecting ...libmms error: