[00:02] <billkd> How do I speed up Raring's boot? On quantal, I would boot up to lightdm in 8 seconds after a complete power off, and now on raring it's around 35-40 seconds before the system boots.
[00:02] <fyksen> Hey! In 12.10 I could use ctrl+alt+arrowkeys to change workspace. Is there a shortut to this in Ubuntu 13.04 ? :)
[00:02] <billkd> You can bind one by typing gnome-control-center in the dash, then clik on keyboard, then shortcuts tab, then you can bind shortcuts from there.
[00:03] <fyksen> billkd, Yeah  I know. But is there no presets?
[00:03] <billkd> I don't think so let me check
[00:04] <fyksen> billkd, your'e to kind :*
[00:05] <billkd> CTRL+ALT+shift+arow key
[00:05] <fyksen> billkd, doesnt work here. Does it work @ you?
[00:06] <billkd> let me see
[00:07] <billkd> Looks like those commands are broken in raring, as the default ctrl+alt+left and ctrl+alt+right work. Just to help see what's going on, could you enter these commands?
[00:07] <billkd> do this as root(su - or sudo -i)
[00:07] <billkd> add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3team/gnome3 ; apt-get update ; apt-get install gnome
[00:08] <fyksen> What is that repo?
[00:08] <billkd> I'm sorry apt-get install gnome
[00:08] <billkd> It's gnome 3's Ubuntu PPA
[00:09] <fyksen> I will test it later, In a VM, on my laptop right now, and don't want to add ppa's :)
[00:09] <billkd> go install that package from that ppa, then logout or reboot and choose "gnome" from the sessions list. If workspace switching works there then it's a Unity bug else it's a gnome bug just don't know where to file the bug report against.
[00:10] <billkd> Fine I'll test it then
[00:11] <billkd> And the PPA was ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 not ppa:gnome3team/gnome3
[00:14] <billkd> Gnome's huge, so i'll let it download and will arcome backn a few minutes
[10:54] <ToBeFree> just wanted to say that the upgrade worked perfectly on my server and desktop, with no downtime yet. :-)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:01] <GeorgeJ_> Hello folks!
[14:03] <GeorgeJ_> I've just installed Ubuntu 13.04 on my laptop. It's installed on a SSD, and I've setup LVM. Are there any tweaks I need to do? Do I still need noatime and discard?
[14:05] <alankila> noatime is probably a good policy, the significance of discard has become reduced due to modern SSDs and their sandforce controller which is capable of internal deduplication and compression.
[14:06] <alankila> you can add it if you like, it probably does no harm. It's just not so important anymore than it used to be, because the compression and dedup allows the drive to reserve a larger fraction of its blocks for free space in any case, and this provides the required opportunities for internal garbage collection to maintain good performance regardless.
[14:06] <GeorgeJ_> What about data=ordered? Also, should I still sport a SWAP partition?
[14:07] <alankila> I guess data=ordered is a good policy and you should certainly have the IO/s to not suffer from it.
[14:07] <alankila> I tend to only use swap files or ramzswap myself anymore. Partitions are inconvenient.
[14:08] <alankila> most of the time there is no swapping at all, and ramzswap can become filled much faster than any disk (even SSD) based swap, which means that the sort of programming mistakes you sometimes make that end up with process consuming all of the memory end fairly quickly after the compressed swap is exhausted.
[14:09] <alankila> nevertheless I'd advice to always keep a little bit swap around. Linux uses swapping as a memory management tool, and for instance memory cgroups may behave poorly without swap, forcing the system to reach for OOM killer instead
[14:10] <alankila> my rule of thumb is that allocate 25 % of your physical ram amount for swapping, or 50 % for ramzswap. By my experience 25 % is close to the upper limit of the amount of memory linux can swap out without harming interactivity of processes.
[14:10] <alankila> for ramzswap, the situation is far less clear, and I have not really collected much experience with it.
[14:10] <GeorgeJ_> Well, I have 8 Gb of ram, Linux doesn't swap until it absolutely needs to, correct? So there's really no point in not having a swap partition.
[14:11] <alankila> wrong
[14:11] <alankila> linux swaps at small probability whenever it needs to somehow come up with completely unused pages.
[14:12] <alankila> one way to come up with them is by shrinking the file or buffer cache, another way is to look for an anonymous memory page to put into swap.
[14:12] <alankila> a lot of I/O in general puts pressure in file and buffer caches, and slowly causes swap use to increase.
[14:13] <alankila> this tunable by the way is called "swappiness"
[14:14] <GeorgeJ_> I see.
[14:14] <GeorgeJ_> Ubuntu itself doesn't apply special settings to SSDs, correct?
[14:15] <alankila> Probably not.
[14:31] <GeorgeJ_> noatime should still go in fstab, regardless if I have LVM setup, or not, correct?
[14:33] <alankila> yes, it is a filesystem option.
[15:06] <SuperLag> What is the preferred way to install fonts in Ubuntu?
[15:07] <SuperLag> The font viewer is... let's just say... less than reliable.
[16:37] <BluesKaj> ...BBL
[16:49] <user> anyone know if Lubuntu 13.04 is stable enough yet?
[16:52] <IdleOne> try it in a live usb
[16:53] <IdleOne> it is still in development expect issues
[17:24]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[18:49] <genadi> guys, I am on 13.04 and I cant find the "Startup Applications" screen - how do I setup skype to run at boot time?
[18:53] <trism> genadi: gnome-session-properties
[18:53] <genadi> trism, I think I am on the default desktop which is GTK I believe
[18:54] <trism> genadi: it is still gnome-session-properties
[18:54] <genadi> trism, how do I get to that? is it a screen?
[18:55] <trism> genadi: search for it in the dash or run it from the command line
[19:27] <genadi> thanks trism, I added /usr/bin/skype to the list - hopefully it is the right one will see on  next reboot
[19:28] <genadi> BTw I downloaded 13.04 by mistake, installed on production (my home desktop comp) - do you think its stable enough to leave it as is and use? or should I invest the time to re-install a stable edition?
[19:43] <trism> genadi: still going to be buggy, but it is out in April so not much longer...really depends on what you want to deal with
[19:50] <genadi> trism, mostly regular home usage+development (php, android) mostly
[19:53] <genadi> trism: important question is, will I be able to easily keep this install up to date with the official release and keep it working for long time? my purpose is not replace the OS every month or even a year
[19:57] <trism> genadi: yes if you keep upgrading you'll have the final version when it comes out, but I can't say there won't be any bugs that will make it difficult along the way
[19:58] <trism> genadi: it's been much better the last couple dev releases though with the new workflow, so it could be fine
[19:58] <genadi> trism: I am not new to linux (though mostly experienced with servers, not desktops), so I suppose with a little help when needed, I should be fine in that case :)
[19:59] <genadi> trism: and I suppose to keep upgrading all I need is to run apt-get update and then upgrade on daily basis?
[20:00] <trism> genadi: you'll need the occasional dist-upgrade too, gotta be careful with that in dev releases though, since sometimes things will be broken (though again, much better last couple dev releases)
[20:04] <genadi> trism: so are  you recommending to wait with dist-upgrade for the final release? or well, I suppose when bugs pop up, I would get some assistance here so thats fine with me :)
[20:07] <trism> genadi: no, apt-get dist-upgrade; installs new packages when required and may remove packages. dependencies constantly shift doing development so you'll need it occasionally to upgrade packages (and you'll need it for new kernels as usual)
[20:12] <genadi> trism, ok so go over it as often as I can? is there a page where I can see current build, and changes compared to mine? (how do I know which is my current build?)
[20:17] <trism> genadi: well you can see what's changed with an: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade; as usual, just at the dist-upgrade step, look at the packages before saying Y and make sure that nothing looks weird (like a ton of packages getting removed)
[20:18] <genadi> aha, understood prism :) thanks
[20:18] <genadi> hmm one minor issue I cant find a solution to, is how to remove/hide the system title bar  on Chrome in 13.04 -  many forums answer say to check "Use system title bar and borders" but that does not seem to be helping, and the "Hide system title bar and use compact borders" does not exist here...
[20:19] <genadi> trism*
[20:22] <trism> genadi: definitely buggy in unity, I see the same thing here if I start chrome full screen and then drag it to a window it will have borders
[20:22] <trism> genadi: there is a comment from one of the chromium devs on one of the several old bugs about this saying it is a bug in compiz, which sounds reasonable
[20:23] <trism> genadi: there is probably a bug about it somewhere on launchpad but I don't see one at the moment
[20:24] <genadi> trism: should we open a new one in launchpad then? or wait a few days? or what
[20:26] <trism> genadi: found a couple they seem to all be duping on bug 711567
[20:26] <mmmbud> hey
[20:27] <mmmbud> i used the windows installer for 13.04 and i cant log in
[20:27] <mmmbud> it always says invalid password
[20:31] <genadi> trism, reading that I am not sure even if they solve this, it is what I meant.. it seems they discuss double menus, but my issue is that I have a menu at all - I do NOT want to have a menu above the Chrome tabs - the way I have in windows, where the tabs are on the top of the screen
[20:38] <mmmbud> this is the same error as i get
[20:38] <mmmbud> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12503398
[20:38] <mmmbud> is there a way to fix it yet?
[20:39] <mmmbud> or a way i can use unetbootin to install from hdd
[20:44] <trism> genadi: yes I know, it seems a bit different, but the comments later on discuss the window decoration issue
[20:45] <trism> genadi: unless you just mean the menu in the top panel, I disable that (only because if I accidently hit the bookmarks menu it lags my system)
[20:46] <trism> genadi: but I thought you meant the window decorations doubling up even though system titlebars is unchecked
[20:46] <genadi> trism: I mean the top level menu - the system bar with click etc, I dont want to see it while using Chrome, I want the Chrome tabs to show up on top
[20:46] <genadi> otherwise I sometimes click the menu instead of tabs
[20:47] <genadi> How did you disable the top menu, trism?
[20:48] <trism> genadi: yeah that's what I thought you meant, as I said, the bug I linked isn't exactly the same, but they are duping more similar bugs on it, like bug 910471 so basically the same issue
[20:49] <trism> genadi: for the menu you just need to: export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0; before launching chrome, so I have a wrapper script that does that
[20:50] <genadi> trism: I just tried doing that in terminal and re-opening Chrome - no good, it has to be the same script which launches chrome?
[20:52] <trism> genadi: that's just for the global menu not the the titlebar and window controls
[20:52] <trism> genadi: you would need to start it from the same shell though, yes
[20:54] <genadi> trism: I just tried - /opt/google/chrome/chrome, no good.. but ok lets wait for the fix on that issue I guess
[20:54] <genadi>  another global issue I see, is that I cant click on an icon to minimize the window
[21:22] <user82_> !info linux-image
[21:22] <user82_> !info f2fs-tools
[22:16] <rrva> how to create missing linux/include/version.h without full kernel build? linux-headers package installed but still complains
[23:06] <ali1234> is nvidia driver working in raring at this time?
[23:07] <vivid> ali1234: yes
[23:07] <vivid> well im using a different version, not sure about the bundled package
[23:10] <genii-around> I've found nvidia-current, nvidia-experimental-304 and nvidia-experimental-310 all working fine here
[23:11] <mmmbud> hey
[23:11] <mmmbud> real noob question
[23:11] <mmmbud> how do i install nvidia drivers
[23:12] <mmmbud> i swear i used to just go to drivers and click install
[23:13] <vivid> mmmbud: type software & updates into dash and select the additional drivers tab
[23:13] <mmmbud> oh i see
[23:13] <mmmbud> thanks
[23:14] <ali1234> yeah that was moved in 12.10
[23:14] <vivid> and renamed in 13.04
[23:15] <ali1234> how is it renamed?
[23:15] <vivid> software & updates instead of software sources
[23:15] <ali1234> oh
[23:15] <vivid> some other little changes, probably still in progress
[23:15] <ali1234> you mean in unity
[23:16] <mmmbud> ah im running it in a vm so i dont see nvdia drivers
[23:16] <ali1234> i access it by opening synaptic and selecting settings->repositories
[23:16] <ali1234> or running software-properties-gtk from shell
[23:17] <ali1234> neither of which makes sense as a way of selecting nvidia driver, but there you go
[23:54] <PadNet_201> anyone know how to output the current terminal data to a file? I.E. cat what's already been displayed?
[23:57] <genii-around> Not offhand. But before a terminal session that you want to record to a file, you can do like: script -q filename                and then when you exit it will be in filename
[23:58] <PadNet_201> i see
[23:58] <PadNet_201> Is that the exact command?
[23:58] <PadNet_201> or do i have to write a custom script?