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xnoxI saw a df: cannot read partition table warning from the installer.01:09
ogra_are you sure it said partition table ?01:11
ogra_else it woould be update-initramfs01:11
xnoxhmm.. will have camera ready next time.01:11
xnoxyeap it was after update-initramfs01:11
xnoxogra_: ctrl+alt+t gives one a gnome-terminal as root in oem-config =)01:11
ogra_right, thats fine01:12
xnoxcute, ain't it =)01:12
xnoxregression of bug 59423301:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 594233 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Pressing ctrl-alt-T gets you a root terminal in oem-config" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59423301:12
ogra_update initramfs tris to compare the output of df with fstab01:12
ogra_which we dont have at that time01:12
ogra_i guess it should shuffle something01:13
ogra_hmm, i though we had fixed that terminal thing a few releases ago01:13
ogra_probably just for the only-ubiquity mode01:13
xnoxyes, and then metacity transitioned from gconf to gsettings and we didn't get the memo01:13
ogra_heh, yeah01:14
xnoxand continued to set gconf key that doesn't exist any more =)01:14
infinityI was going to suggest it was because you switched to compiz.01:14
ogra_hmm, when did metacity transition ?01:14
infinityBut yes, same explanation, really.01:14
xnoxthankfully (or maybe not?!) gnome-settings-daemon handles media keys shortcuts these days.01:15
ogra_i still see a metacity gconf key here01:15
ogra_oh01:15
ogra_not associated to a schema01:16
ogra_now i wonder how it got there01:16
* xnox sees no metacity gconf on my normal desktop....01:16
ogra_metacity/general/compsitor_effects01:16
ogra_in apps/01:17
ogra_weird01:17
xnoxwell ubiquity used to set that key.....01:17
* xnox ponders gconf-service now provides a gconf api over dbus as a service going to the same store?01:18
xnoxogra_: cause in d-conf editor you will find org.gnome.metacity with more properties.01:18
xnox(some are under wm now)01:18
ogra_well, ubiquity never ran on my chromebook ... i might have set it manually once01:19
xnoxhmmmm....01:19
ogra_clicking "set to default" and restarting gconf-editor makes it vanish completely01:19
xnoxdid you migrate your home directory?01:19
xnoxas gconf xml is written into home-dir.01:19
ogra_so i guess it was a local leftover01:19
ogra_yeah01:20
ogra_infinity, do you know if nusakan -> cdimage sync happens automatically or if it needs a cdimage piblisher run01:21
infinityogra_: It happens when images are published, or when someone syncs manually, why?01:21
ogra_i manually copied http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/last-good-image/ in place and was waiting for the new content to show up01:22
infinityYeah, that would need a sync.  Doing so no.01:23
infinityw01:23
ogra_thx01:23
ogra_wasnt urgent, i just want to keep a known working image around01:23
infinityDoing awful things to break the world?01:23
ogra_well, we had three broken images and the desktop sprint started today01:24
ogra_nobody noticed they were broken01:24
ogra_the kernel team pinged me friday evening about the image booting to a black screen after plymouth ... fun place to debug01:25
infinityogra_: Should be synced now.01:26
ogra_yep, looks fine01:26
ogra_infinity, hmm, no, its not fine, i missed .htaccess01:30
ogra_copied now01:30
ogra_oh, its just calling sync-mirrors as cdimage user ?01:31
ogra_i can do that myself01:31
ogra_yeah01:31
ogra_now it looks fine01:32
xnoxalso i have been studying mkfs.ext4 and one can reduce number of superblocks and allocate them lazily01:37
* xnox ponders if it will bring down the size of the fs.01:37
xnoxbut it's for my todo someday analysis =)01:37
xnoxogra_: do we mount recovery partition? is there space for any additional files in the abootimg? can I instruct to reboot into fastboot mode from user-space (booted into ubuntu)?01:45
ogra_geez, a book of questions in one line01:46
ogra_no, we dont mount recovery01:46
* xnox ponders to preseed wifi password in kernel command line option & if there is a way to reboot into fastboot mode - then we have a full automation for nexus7.01:47
ogra_abootimg only manages kernel and initrd, if you want to add something use the initrd01:47
xnoxif I include a preseed file in the initrd or ubuntu-nexus7-defaults package....01:47
ogra_and i dont thinnk you can reboot into fastboot easily with our "reboot"01:47
xnoxhmm...01:48
ogra_androids is patched for "reboot bootloader" afaik01:48
xnoxbut how does android does it?01:48
ogra_which also needs special kernel options01:48
ogra_(which we should have though)01:48
xnoxsurely it's a kernel/firmware interface or like nvram option01:48
xnoxor something =))))01:49
ogra_well, kernel/bootloader i think01:49
xnoxcan I change kernel params after I flashed ?01:49
* xnox changed /etc/defaults/flash-kernel and then did update-initramfs -u and nothing changed.01:49
ogra_yeah, not implemented for abootimg yet01:50
ogra_you can just use abootimg01:50
ogra_directly on /dev/mmcblk0p201:50
xnoxawesome =)01:50
ogra_make sure to not pull from /proc/cmdline ... the bootloader prefixes the cmdline with a ton of options01:51
ogra_always use abotimg -i output as your base01:51
ogra_in case you script anything or so01:51
xnoxnow the poluted cmdline makes sense01:52
xnox(ubiquity parses the cmdline and I was at first confused as usually it's much shorter)01:52
ogra_its quite ugly :(01:52
ogra_especially console=none01:52
ogra_https://plus.google.com/107109423598372241322/posts/ehYKNcMP25u01:56
ogra_heh, google knows everything01:56
xnoxyeah, I giggled over that one as well =)01:59
isaiascan i install flash on this?02:08
isaiasif its possible, lol02:17
xnoxisaias: yes - the free once, will they work - not really. adobe used to ship flash in play store but doesn't any more. there are some flash available e.g. for tegra 3 but only as preview for OEM builders with an NDA against nvidia.02:34
isaiasxnox: what about youtube?02:47
scientesxnox, there is alto the TI flash02:47
scientesfor arm02:48
scientesisaias, you can play youtube without flash using --enable-gstreamer to firefox02:48
scienteswhich ubuntu _should_ be doing, but is not02:48
infinityYou can play youtube without flash regardless.02:48
scientesinfinity, not true, not all youtube is available in vp802:48
scientessome is h264 only02:49
xnoxif there are ads, you must have flash.02:50
scientesthat as well02:50
scientesbut only certain ads02:50
xnoxe.g. the music videos that are currently enjoying their 15minutes of fame all need flash.02:51
infinityUnless you go to the mobile site and spoof an iOS user agent...02:51
xnox\0/02:51
xnoxi should so do that.02:51
scientesand then some videos are "not available for mobile"02:52
isaiasno way to get flash games, right? lol02:53
infinityYeah, though that's happening less and less, with mobile becoming the more common consumption device.02:53
infinityisaias: Flash games are a lost cause.02:53
isaiasi know :P html5 is taking over flash, right?02:54
isaiasor something lake that02:54
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wookeyless than half of youtube works without flash02:59
wookeyand currently gnash doesn;t work there anymore either03:00
wookeyor maybe lightspark. Either way it's broke unles syou use youtube-dl (clive is bust too)03:00
wookeywhat's aprticularly annoying is there there is no way to tell without trying each vid, nor a way to tell YT to only show me the HTMl5 stuff03:01
wookeyvimeo seems to be broken this month too. OTOH the beeb started working.03:03
* xnox likes radio03:04
wookeythat does work a whole pile better :-)03:04
wookeyalthouh the beeb still manage to F it up with their iplayer nonsense. I just use get-iplayer for everything beeby03:05
wookeyI do resent being forced to use someone else's broken player when I have piles of my own good players that actually work03:06
ptlso...03:08
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LisaNoriCan I get the ubuntu phone interface and use that on the nexus7?  It just seems as though anything appropriate for a phone would work well on the nexus7 screen instead of the standard desktop ubuntu gui.05:16
nils_Good Morning.06:40
nils_Any ideas what this is: "Tick, tock, tablet time!" http://www.ubuntu.com/06:41
nils_Oh, and btw. htc has a similar countdown. http://www.htc.com/www/ Same event?06:54
Guest87254hi07:36
dholbachgood morning08:01
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hrwhello09:16
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nils_4 Hours left: http://www.ubuntu.com/12:01
ogra_true ... http://www.htc.com/us/12:01
ogra_(dont ask me, i have no clue if they are related ... not even internal canonical rumours about that ... :) )12:02
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hrwI can say that they are related12:06
hrwboth are for today and the time is same12:06
ogra_heh12:06
ogra_true12:07
nils_ogra_ you can check the htc page with firebug and you will see that their event is probably related to their new M712:07
hrwthat's when it comes to relations12:07
nils_htc is showing it's new hardware flagship, german page: http://live.techstage.de/Event/Live-Event_HTC_OneM7. no offense! But I cannot seriously imagine that htc would link their event to ubuntu. I would love to see that - but they will want to keep control on their own.13:43
ogra_you mean like not using foreign OSes13:49
ogra_like android .... :P13:49
xnoxthe chatter here is that htc is stealing thunder.13:54
xnoxand is not related.13:55
* ogra_ guesses we'll see in ~2h13:57
nils_ogra_ you have a point. But I still do believe it's just a coincidence.13:57
nils_anyways M7 is not a tablet. Ubuntu.com announces a tablet.13:58
ogra_https://plus.google.com/communities/10729900762497226609413:59
ogra_there is a tablet on the table among a huge set of phones13:59
ogra_oh, and thats originally from http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-to-possibly-unveil-a-tablet-at-its-big-event-tomorrow-will-it-run-the-ubuntu-os-157131/14:00
ogra_in any case it adds up popularity for both, HTC and ubuntu14:00
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thebishoptablet time! ... ubuntu touch UI coming to nexus7 or something else entirely?15:17
ogra_you will see in 45min15:18
ogra_or 40 or so15:18
diwicI think it's just IS trying to reproduce the bug that caused the lack of responsiveness at the last launch.15:18
thebishop:)15:18
* diwic runs away and hides ;-)15:19
ogra_haha15:20
loologra_: w00t15:27
loologra_: I missed the status meeting for N7 last friday15:27
loologra_: how are things in general?15:27
loologra_: I wonder whether we have updated our kernel for 4.2.215:27
loolthere might be good fixes in there15:27
ogra_lool, quite ok, the kernel team didnt update yet15:28
ogra_we had massive breakage over the weekend so on monday we didnt have a single working image15:28
Tassadarthere are 3 new commits in 4.2.2 kernel, don't get too exicited)15:28
ogra_since we dont do milestones anymore15:28
ogra_Tassadar, there is new BT firmware ... thats likely intresting for us15:29
Tassadarthat's not part of kernel, but I agree, that is interesting Oo15:29
ogra_lool, beyond that we still have the input bug that makes the device unusable ... without that fixed we wont really be able to move towards something funtional15:29
ogra_but beyond tjaalton poking in the dark, there is nobody working on it15:30
ogra_lool, oh, and the rotation stuff now moved properly into gnome-settings-daemon15:31
ogra_lool, ram usage didnt see much impact the last week ... we're all waiting for upstart user session support for the next big hit on that15:34
loologra_: thanks for the updates15:34
loologra_: who's usually handling the N7 kernels in ubuntu kenrel team?15:34
ogra_(and the rewrite of the lenses in vala)15:34
ogra_lool, i dealt with apw and rtg for them15:34
loolok, will poke them!15:34
ogra_i poked rtg already but there was no released source at that point15:35
ogra_(a while ago when the first announcement came out from google)15:35
xnoxogra_: do i need a "special" android xz?15:36
xnoxinput was encoded with settings that are not supported by this XZ decored15:36
xnoxs/decored/decoder/15:36
ogra_where exactly do you use it in the stack ?15:37
xnoxinitrd. I guess I should have used xz --check=crc32 --lzma2=dict=512KiB instead of just xz.15:40
xnoxogra_: where is the code that generated nexus7 initrd and bootimg?15:40
ogra_the device doesnt care about initrd15:41
ogra_only the kernel does15:41
ogra_so its our own (well, the kernels) xz15:41
xnoxwell, I'm repacking. And the kernel docs say that only lzma2 and bcj filters are supported with small dictionary and it asks to prefferably add crc checking15:43
xnoxboots now \o/15:43
* xnox waits for tarball to unpack and automatic-oem-config to finish15:43
xnoxand it so totally self-provision =)15:52
* xnox rocks.15:52
* ogra_ applauds 15:54
ogra_do you get completely through to the desktop ?15:54
xnoxyes.15:55
ogra_wow !15:55
ogra_you rock !15:56
xnoxit asks me for a password, but i can't remember it.... so where is that preseed file...15:56
ogra_i guess plars will have a party now15:56
ogra_uh, autologin should be preseeded15:56
xnoxit logged in fine, my password was !ubuntu123 and i couldn't login into pkexec.15:59
xnoxautologin is default, so no need to preseed it.15:59
ogra_well, thats what i meant above :)15:59
ogra_it should be set by default, sorry, wrong term15:59
xnoxjust need to copy name, login, ssh pub id, network manager wifi and add it to usb-creator as "gift vs use my data"16:00
Laneygah16:01
ogra_we could do wifi from the tarball-installer btw ...16:01
ogra_so you could wget that stuff before running oem-config16:01
TheMusoogra_: That has accessibility implications... :)16:01
TheMusoAlthough on the nexus7 it doesn't really matter.16:02
xnoxwouldn't early command that drop it into oem hooks dir be sufficiently early enough?16:02
ogra_(rigth before the ac100-tarball-installer package gets removed we are chrooted and could set up the nework, use wget and pull a preseed file)16:02
xnoxTheMuso: these settings are copied from already configured ubuntu desktop for auto-preseeding.16:02
xnoxwhich is accesible (lets pretend usb-creator is fully accessible)16:02
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ogra_TheMuso, nothing interactive that would need a11y here16:03
TheMusoxnox: Point, usb-creator is accessible at least in quantal.16:03
ogra_geez, ubuntu.com is slow right now16:05
ptlyeah16:05
Tassadarwoot, tablet-optimized unity)16:06
thebishopdamn tablet folks16:06
thebishopthis does look pretty hot16:06
thebishopobviously similar to the phone, but i think it's more compelling on the tablet16:06
* Tassadar saw "sidestage" somewhere before :)16:09
thebishopso... do i need to buy a nexus10 to use this?16:10
Tassadarit's probably just "showcase dummy device"16:11
Tassadaralthough he didn't say anything about actual devices16:11
thebishopTassadar, yeah, but that's what was said about the Nexus phone, and it is actually the reference device16:15
thebishopeven if it won't be the flagship device in stores (obviously)16:16
Tassadarwell, it's developement phone, not something users should have16:16
thebishopright, but it's a good phone, and it's the primary target.  if the same is true of the nexus10 (which is a sexy tablet imo), it's tempting16:16
Tassadarwell, sexy and expensive16:17
thebishoptruthfully i'd probably rather have the nexus10 than any other non-apple tablet16:17
Tassadarwell, theres nexus 716:17
thebishopyeah i have one of those16:18
thebishopif the new ubuntu tablet software runs on there, i'll definitely try that before i do anything else16:19
* Tassadar just realized he begun three sentences in a row with "well,"16:19
thebishop:)16:19
thebishopthere's a hell of a lot to like about this.  i'm not sure if it can actually compete with Android, but suddenly the tablet (with flexible UI switching) makes total sense to me.  whlie the phone just looked nice but ultimately doomed to fail16:21
thebishophaving flexible language support could prove very important16:22
Tassadaryeah, it looks good16:22
thebishopi wouldn't be surprised to see google copy some of that16:22
infinitythebishop: I think further polish and convergence between phone and tablet will make the phone make more sense.16:23
thebishopnot sure if they can actually get Android to convert to Chrome OS, but Android touch to Android TV is probably doable16:23
Tassadarcurrent tablet UI is just "normal UI" streched out to fill the screen -.-16:23
infinitythebishop: Much like Android 2.x was great for phones, 3.x was great for tablets, but it wasn't until 4.x that there was a decent convergence story.16:23
thebishopinfinity, exactly.  that's the thing that impressed me.  I already run Ubuntu on my laptop.  I'm basically sold on Ubuntu Tablet.  Integration with the phone makes it possible worth switching16:23
thebishopthe biggest hurdle to widespread usage will be the same as Ubuntu desktop: getting OEM support16:25
thebishopbut thanks to google's success and MS' blunders that may be more feasible now than ever16:25
thebishopTassadar, Ars says it's coming to Nexus7 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ubuntu-for-tablets-arriving-on-nexus-7-nexus-10-this-week/16:27
TassadarI wonder where did they get such information16:28
Tassadarah, wonderful, daily nexus 7 image is working again, thank you :)16:29
thebishopthe sucky thing about Nexus7 is no sexy Ubuntu TV switching16:29
Tassadaryeah, doesn't have hdmi16:29
thebishopunless Ubuntu has a miracast-alike tech (which would be awesome BTW)16:29
* Tassadar angrily shakes his hand at Asus16:30
thebishophaha16:30
Tassadarthe SoC has has hdmi pinout!16:30
Tassadarkernel support is in there16:30
thebishopyeah? should i break out some flux and solder?16:30
Tassadarhell, the dev versions of n7 even has hdmi connector16:30
thebishopyep16:30
thebishopi blame google, actually16:31
thebishopi think it was a combination of cost-savings and google maybe not actually wanting you to use nexus7 that way16:31
Tassadarmeh, probably some expensive license or something like that is needed for hdmi output16:31
thebishopsimilar to the no-MicroSD headscratcher16:31
thebishopGoogle seemed to have a narrow idea of how nexus7 would/should be used16:31
Tassadaryeah, they want user to buy content from google play16:32
thebishopexactly16:33
Tassadarshame that it is not available in here)16:33
thebishopnexus7 was a very strategically-minded product16:33
Tassadarmuch like kindle fire16:33
Tassadarexcept with real android16:34
thebishopyep16:34
thebishopbut on the streaming possibilities... are there any? i read that miracast needs dualband radio, but iOS achieves a similar feat without it.16:35
Tassadarhttp://www.google.cz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fesrlabs.com%2Fandroid-transporter-for-the-nexus-7-and-the-raspberry-pi%2F&ei=6qkjUbLTIITk4QSrw4CACQ&usg=AFQjCNFPcDgHVZuN9P5P1OxW0I2CN4Avgg&sig2=qNA1mY5WT-th8widcw3PMg&bvm=bv.42553238,d.bGE16:35
Tassadarah, sorry, google link, but anyway16:36
TassadarAndroid transporter16:36
thebishopand anyway, my understanding on the dualband limitation was that it needed one band for streaming to output, and another to stay online.  what if you don't need to be online?16:36
Tassadarnot sure, but streaming needs quite fast connection16:37
thebishopit's not wifi-direct?16:37
Tassadaryes, it is16:37
Tassadarbut even then16:37
xnoxogra_: so to push WiFi settings we just need to copy one file across into /etc/ although that requires root =(16:45
ogra_so you could do it from the tarball installer16:46
ogra_but you need to pull it somewhere ... hmm, catch 2216:46
xnoxogra_: that's fine, since i'm rebuilding initramfs anyway....16:47
xnoxso same as preseed =)16:47
ogra_well, yeah, then its easy16:47
ogra_just add some cp before the removal of the ac100-tarball-installer package16:48
ogra_or even earlier if you want16:48
isaiashow do i enable html5 on firefox? i cant watch videos on youtube17:39
Tassadarhave you enabled it here http://www.youtube.com/html5 ?17:40
DarkwingI have a quick question... Once the "new" mobile and tablet software hit on thursday... will the current images of unity on the Nexus be replaced with that?17:44
TheMusoDarkwing: No I don't think so.17:44
DarkwingOkay. just wondering how that was going to work.17:45
xnoxogra_: hmm.. so it ran out of battery but it's just flashed. it died at unpacking tarball.18:10
xnoxit's on ac charge now, but the screen flickers from time to time when (i guess) it's still trying to boot.18:10
ogra_charge it a bit first18:10
xnoxany tips on recovering from that?18:10
ogra_hmm, nope18:10
xnoxbut i can't seem to force to be off and stop trying to poweron on power.18:11
ogra_the device is built in a way that it will always reboot if you HW reset it with the power button18:11
Tassadarhave you tried to force it to bootloader?18:13
ogra_if it has enough power yet18:13
ogra_but yeah, that would at least stop the loop18:13
Tassadaror into that useless nvflash mode (pwr+volup)18:14
ogra_dunno, was there a shutdown option in the menu \?18:14
Tassadaryes, it is there18:14
mainerrorIs it possible that this list isn't up to date? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList18:14
ogra_yeah, then it will definitely help18:14
ogra_mainerror, heh, i didnt even know it existed :)18:14
mainerror:D18:15
mainerrorI'll start by adding a Tegra 3 section and at least the Nexus 7 since it is the reference device for Ubuntu.18:15
ogra_yeah, good idea18:16
xnoxmeh18:21
* xnox off to volleyball. will leave the tablet charging over night.18:21
infinityxnox: If it's stuck on a flickering screen, it's not charging.  You need to boot into recovery, arrow down to "power off", then turn it back on and you'll get the friendly battery meter.18:23
infinityxnox: If it shuts off hard, it never gets itself into the right state to recharge.18:23
infinityxnox: (I had this problem just a week ago)18:23
* ogra_ just listens to his battery applet 18:24
ogra_and if i work in console its usually plugged in ...18:24
mainerrorDone. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList18:39
mainerrorNow we have a Tegra 3 section and the Nexus 7.18:39
ogra_thanks a lot !18:39
mainerrorThe section needs a description (or maybe not, I don't know).18:40
ogra_xnox, bug 1093050 btw19:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 1093050 in ubuntu-nexus7 "compiz dies during oem-config and steals the focus so that input fields are unusable" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109305019:26
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angsdoes arm-linux-gnueabi- toolchain support cpu arm926ej-s?20:37
infinityangs: Sort of.20:49
infinityangs: You can target it with GCC (it's an armv5te), but our entire distro is built for armv7, including the libc and gcc stubs, so you'd need to probably start with crossing a new toolchain that's armv5-clean.20:50
angsthank you infinity20:53
angsdo you know any prebuild arm-none-eabi toolchain that works on ubuntu 12.10?20:54
angsI saw somewhere to type "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:germia/archive3 " the apt-get update, but it outputs such errors Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com quantal-backports/universe Translation-en_US20:55
angsFetched 4,240 B in 11s (375 B/s)20:55
angsW: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/germia/archive3/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found20:55
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