[01:48] <jcastro> jono: around?
[01:48] <jcastro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lShTMrFVco
[01:48] <jcastro> man, the kick drums here ^^^
[01:49] <jono> jcastro, nice!
[06:14] <dpm> good morning all
[06:18] <bkerensa> morning
[06:23] <philipballew> I see bkerensa has moved to Europe
[06:23] <bkerensa> philipballew: this is always my morning
[06:24] <vibhav> philipballew: We follow UGT here :)
[06:24] <bkerensa> ;)
[06:24] <bkerensa> seems like we follow GMT strictly
[06:24] <bkerensa> vibhav: working on bugs?
[06:24] <bkerensa> ;)
[06:25] <philipballew> bkerensa, I live in the country of California so thats all I know.
[06:25] <vibhav> bkerensa: Indeed
[06:25] <chilicuil> bkerensa: is that true?, congrats! =)
[06:25] <bkerensa> vibhav: I should take a break from my wordpress client stuff and do some merges
[06:25] <bkerensa> chilicuil: mmm
[06:26] <JoseeAntonioR> what is true?
[06:26] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: if you find out do tell :)
[06:27] <vibhav> bkerensa: Though not actually bugs, but I was working on some automated tests for libraries in Ubuntu
[06:27] <vibhav> (aka autopkgtest)
[06:27] <bkerensa> vibhav: ahh.. I think I am going to upgrade some packages and transition some patches upstream
[06:27] <vibhav> yay
[06:28] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: nope, can't find
[06:28] <vibhav> bkerensa: btw, What is the status on hilighting contributors?
[06:28] <vibhav> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-r-dev-tasks-publicity
[06:30] <bkerensa> vibhav: Me and dholbach need to sync up but I assume the plan is to get back into the regular mix of highlighting contributors on OMG/Fridge/etc
[06:30] <vibhav> Yes, the development updates were a big hit
[06:31]  * vibhav remembers seeing his name on Development updates :)
[06:32] <bkerensa> Yeah :) we had a difficult time trying to find people who were committed to helping us so it was me and dholbach and because of our time zone difference it fizzled a bit
[06:32] <bkerensa> I'll be sure to ping him in a hour
[06:32] <vibhav> perfect
[06:40] <dpm> vibhav, is UGT Ubuntu Global Time?
[06:44] <vibhav> dpm: Universal Greeting Time
[06:44] <dpm> awesome :)
[06:45] <vibhav> dpm: Though Ubuntu Global Time sounds better too :D
[06:45] <dpm> :-)
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <JoseeAntonioR> hey dholbach, just wanted to confirm you're doing a hangout today before I go to sleep
[08:11] <bkerensa> dholbach: I sent you a e-mail about dev contributor highlights... just wanted to ping you before I go to sleep too ;)
[08:14] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, no, likely not
[08:14] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: ok, cancelling, thanks for the heads-up :)
[08:14] <dholbach> bkerensa, yes, thanks a lot for that and sorry I didn't reply to your earlier mail - I'm just drowning in stuff to do right now
[08:14] <dholbach> bkerensa, I'll reply today - promise
[08:14] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: have fun with your stuff, and talk to you later! :)
[08:15] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, rock on
[08:18] <smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR, hey
[08:18] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, smartboyhw
[08:18] <smartboyhw> dholbach, do you know what that tablet is about?:P
[08:18] <dholbach> smartboyhw, no
[08:19] <smartboyhw> dholbach, srsly?
[08:20] <bkerensa> gnight folks... keep it FOSSy
[08:23] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm out too, see you later, guys!
[08:24] <dholbach> smartboyhw, no, I was surprised by the announce thing too
[08:48] <smartboyhw> dholbach, srsly?:P
[08:49] <dholbach> I have a hunch
[08:50] <smartboyhw> dholbach, LOL
[08:50] <dholbach> I'm serious
[08:50] <smartboyhw> dholbach, what hunch?
[08:50] <dholbach> ...
[08:50] <smartboyhw> Anyone think it will be related to HTC?
[08:51] <czajkowski> smartboyhw: you're over thinking it
[08:51] <czajkowski> just wait
[08:51] <czajkowski> :)
[08:51] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, bah:P
[08:51] <jussi> o/
[08:51] <smartboyhw> \o/
[09:29] <philipballew> czajkowski, nice to see you in the channel!
[09:29] <czajkowski> am always here
[09:29] <czajkowski> just rather busy
[09:30] <czajkowski> mornings tend to be busy when I catch up with part of my team in AU
[09:30] <philipballew> Yes, but have not seen you talk in a few. I am usually sleeping in your afternoon probably.
[09:30] <czajkowski> ah most likly
[09:31] <czajkowski> gonna be busier now as also moved roles as well
[09:31] <czajkowski> so doing LP support and also online services work as well
[09:32] <philipballew> oh wow. thats really intense. but, I hope you are enjoying it.
[09:33] <czajkowski> should keep me busy :)
[09:33] <czajkowski> and I've a conference I;m  running in 2 weeks time
[09:34] <philipballew> czajkowski, whats the conference?
[09:34] <czajkowski> hackntalk
[09:34] <czajkowski> one day even where people can hack or demo stuff or give a talk
[09:34] <czajkowski> work in groups
[09:34] <philipballew> oh nice!
[09:34] <czajkowski> or just be in the same room as geeks
[09:34] <czajkowski> have 42 places gone outta 70
[09:34] <philipballew> exciting!
[09:35] <czajkowski> yup so am kept well busy in my spare time
[09:35] <czajkowski> and on a 4 day week this week as have friday off as other half is going to go fly a plane :)
[09:36] <jussi> 42 is the magic number :D
[09:36] <czajkowski> it's not a bad number tbh
[09:36] <czajkowski> and I was aiming for 40
[09:36] <philipballew> I'm running the Ubuntu booth for one of the biggest Linux conferences this week. Not as cool, but something
[09:36] <czajkowski> and will run it every 3-4 months
[09:37] <czajkowski> philipballew: which one ?
[09:37] <philipballew> czajkowski, SCALE
[09:41] <philipballew> Its the best Linux Conference that occurs in February and is in California!
[10:15] <czajkowski> philipballew: http://www.siliconrepublic.com/careers/item/31475-ul-to-offer-100-free-place
[11:41] <daker> hi
[14:24] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, what time is the announcement?
[14:24] <JoseeAntonioR> shows it's in 1h and a half for me, wasn't it 6pm UTC?
[14:26] <popey> yeah, 1.5 hours is what i see too
[14:28] <JoseeAntonioR> ah, ok
[14:31] <czajkowski> 4pm UTC
[14:38]  * AlanBell wonders if the servers will crash this time
[14:39]  * AlanBell has credit card out, waiting for the Ubuntu tablet order form to spring into life
[14:39] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:55] <daker> -5min
[16:00] <daker> hahaha 503 Service Unavailable
[16:02] <JoseeAntonioR> urgh
[16:02] <jared_> daker: maybe that's the announcement, it's not available?
[16:02] <daker> the site become really slow :)
[16:04] <daker> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5_4fXQcxFRs
[16:06] <JoseeAntonioR> they're using the pictogram wall as a background!
[16:16] <jared_> I'd buy a google nexus 10 I could dual boot android/ubuntu tomorrow, not holding my breath but it'd be pretty sweet.
[16:28] <jono> mhall119, setting it up
[16:29] <jono> mhall119, invite sent
[16:32] <mhall119> joining
[17:05] <balloons> jared_, you can dual boot android ubuntu
[17:06] <jared_> balloons: I'm just waiting for google to actually stock my country again :/ They've been out of stock for a few months. I saw the focus on the nexus 7 and hoped the 10 would work just as well
[17:06] <balloons> jared_, to be fair, I only know about the nexus 7: https://github.com/Tasssadar/multirom
[17:08] <jared_> balloons: Yeah I was hoping the announcement would start naming names ;)
[17:35] <jbicha> "only enterprise Linux to support the ARM platform" on http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tablet/partner ..I guess Debian isn't enterprise?
[18:06] <mhall119> jbicha: can you buy enterprise support from Debian?
[18:32] <jbicha> mhall119: I know some DDs that will support your Debian deployment :) http://www.debian.org/partners/
[18:32] <mhall119> jbicha: but that's not support from Debian, that's support from DDs
[18:46] <jcastro> I think what they mean by enteprise is "is there a company behind it."
[18:46] <jcastro> we do this with cloud too, "#1 enterprise cloud OS" but don't count debian.
[19:00] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Hangouts should be up to date now
[19:01] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: thanks a lot, will be updating the calendar now
[19:02] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, hang on
[19:02] <dholbach> there's a small mistake
[19:02]  * JoseeAntonioR waits
[19:02] <dholbach> 21 Feb → 22 Feb
[19:02] <dholbach> sorry
[19:02] <JoseeAntonioR> at 15 UTC?
[19:02] <dholbach> updated
[19:02] <dholbach> yes
[19:02] <dholbach> same time
[19:02] <JoseeAntonioR> ok!
[19:04] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: calendar updated now :)
[19:05] <dholbach> yeehaw
[19:05]  * czajkowski peers at dholbach 
[19:05] <czajkowski> oi oi
[19:05] <dholbach> oi yourself! :)
[19:05] <czajkowski> you're on late mister go make some musik! :)
[19:06] <dholbach> yeah, in a bit
[19:06] <dholbach> found some GREAT music today
[19:06] <dholbach> nuts
[19:06] <dholbach> a bit rough, but great tunes: http://www.mixcloud.com/nllovednb/nllovednb-07-fourward/
[19:07] <czajkowski> ohhh nice could do with some new tunes
[19:10] <dholbach> all right my friends - time to call it a day
[19:10] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[19:10] <czajkowski> toodle pip
[19:10] <dholbach> :)
[20:00] <pleia2> jcastro: do you know who runs _mup_ in #juju?
[20:01] <jcastro> no clue
[20:01] <czajkowski> pleia2: https://launchpad.net/mup
[20:02] <pleia2> czajkowski: sweet, thanks :)
[20:02] <czajkowski> np
[20:03] <czajkowski> pleia2: I *think* canonical-sysadmin for getting issues dealt with if thats the issue
[20:03] <pleia2> czajkowski: no issues, desire to have a bug-announcey bot came up in #openstack-infra, someone mentioned _mup_ from #juju
[20:04] <czajkowski> ah gotcha
[20:05] <pleia2> turns out ubottu does similar stuff when it's working properly, and a clone of that is already around
[20:05] <jcastro> pleia2: afaict mup is in a bunch of ubuntu channels
[20:06] <pleia2> jcastro: it should be listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots :)
[20:06] <jcastro> oh
[20:06] <jcastro> I thought it was an AlanBell thing
[20:06] <AlanBell> hmm?
[20:06] <czajkowski> he's the meeting bot
[20:06] <jcastro> isn't mup yours?
[20:06]  * AlanBell reads back
[20:07] <jcastro> pleia2: lol @ that list of bots, thanks for reminding me why I hate IRC, hah.
[20:07] <pleia2> :P
[20:07] <AlanBell> mup is nothing to do with me
[20:10] <AlanBell> jcastro: why does a list of bots remind you why you hate IRC?
[20:11] <jcastro> just seems complicated for no reason to me
[20:12] <czajkowski> yes but jcastro also hates wikis
[20:12] <jcastro> and mailing lists!
[20:13] <czajkowski> not much retro stuff he likes bar you know dinosaurs
[20:13] <jcastro> yeah, but dinosaurs evolved. The other ones, not so much. :p
[20:13] <AlanBell> :)
[20:13] <jcastro> that was a good set up czajkowski, high 5.
[20:13] <czajkowski> :)
[20:14] <AlanBell> is there any recording of the super sekrit tablet conference call for journalists?
[20:14]  * czajkowski started a new job today \o/
[20:14] <czajkowski> so setting up lots of VMs for testing
[20:15] <czajkowski> am off fizzy drinks so not helping with the old stress :/
[20:19] <czajkowski> Have just found this site http://society6.com/  this may damage my CC - want some new paintings
[22:15] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/static/u/files/section/devices/Ubuntu-tablet-press-release-en.pdf
[22:16] <AlanBell> spanish and chinese press releases are there, english missing
[22:18] <popey> no, it isnt
[22:18] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/static/u/files/section/devices/Ubuntu-tablet-press-release.pdf
[22:20] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet
[22:21] <popey> thanks
[22:22] <popey> will get it fixed
[22:23] <popey> reported
[22:23] <AlanBell> there is actually quite a large amount of media friendly information released
[22:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you sound surprised
[22:25] <czajkowski> :)
[22:25] <popey> yeah, we're getting better at this
[22:26] <AlanBell> well yeah, it is hidden away in the press section
[22:26] <popey> well the press were given the link
[22:26] <popey> so not hidden for the press
[22:27] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet/faq has actuall stuff in it though
[22:27] <czajkowski> AlanBell: there ws ne like that for the phone alsp
[22:27] <czajkowski> also
[22:28] <AlanBell> huh, never looked at that, I read all the OEM information
[22:29] <AlanBell> didn't expect there to be more details for journalists than engineers
[22:29] <chilicuil> wow, canonical considered spanish as well as chinese, that's cool, thanks!
[22:30] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, :)
[22:30] <AlanBell> chilicuil: yeah, I suspect that is significant in terms of the two markets they talked about
[22:30] <SergioMeneses> AlanBell, you're right!
[22:31] <AlanBell> I expected some engineering stuff to be in chinese, but if the marketing is in chinese/spanish that seems more significant
[22:33] <SergioMeneses> LatinAmerica is a huge market for new technology
[22:35] <chilicuil> yeah SergioMeneses, world wide richest person is from latinoamerica and what it does is related to technology, it's just that it doesn't have competition
[22:35] <AlanBell> yeah, hope they give some clarity on the markets fairly soon so that people will start writing apps
[22:35] <popey> surely all markets need fart apps!?
[22:36] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, sadly you're right but not in all cases
[22:36] <AlanBell> naturally, but if I write a fart app, and the phone only gets released in Brazil I won't get to hear people using it on the train so my motivation for writing it isn't there
[22:37] <AlanBell> iFart for iOS and uFart for Ubuntu \o/
[22:40] <SergioMeneses> AlanBell, jajaja
[22:40] <SergioMeneses> good one
[22:45] <mhall119> AlanBell: plus you'd have to translate them into Portuguese ;)
[22:45] <mhall119> nobody's going to be fooled by an English fart in Sao Paulo
[22:46] <AlanBell> true
[22:46] <chilicuil> xD
[22:57] <czajkowski> AlanBell: do you really think they'd honestly design a tablet you couldnt rotate?
[22:57] <AlanBell> dunno, have they?
[22:58] <AlanBell> nobody has told me that it can rotate when I have asked!
[22:58] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, =O is a true question?
[22:58] <AlanBell> none of the videos show a rotation happening
[22:58] <czajkowski> lemmie go and poke
[22:58] <AlanBell> all of the phone stuff is portrait, almost all of the tablet stuff is landscape
[22:59] <AlanBell> what I really think is that if they had a slick "ooh wow, awesome, thats cool!!!" inducing rotation effect then they would have shown it in a video
[23:00] <SergioMeneses> AlanBell, or maybe they are working on another amazing video that include the rotation
[23:19] <JanC> mhall119: you can buy enterprise support for Debian from HP if your enterprise is large enough...  (and from some other companies too, of course)
[23:21] <mhall119> JanC: can you but that support for the ARM version of Debian?
[23:31] <JanC> mhall119: HP print servers run Debian, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are ARM-based, and of course they (will) have ARM based server blades too, and of course they have a bunch of in-house ARM experience from the Palm/WebOS team too, so if you are big enough to make it worthwhile, I'm sure they will offer you support on it...  ;)
[23:37] <mhall119> JanC: I'm sure they would too
[23:38] <mhall119> then again, if you're big enough (and paying enough), I bet even Microsoft would sell you support for Debian on ARM
[23:38] <mhall119> but I think we're the only ones currently offering it
[23:38] <mhall119> :)
[23:38] <JanC> Microsoft only recently started selling real support at all  :p
[23:40] <mhall119> that's good progress though
[23:40] <mhall119> maybe they'll sell a real OS soon too ;)
[23:40] <JanC> NT isn't all that bad an OS
[23:40] <mhall119> I was joking :P
[23:42] <JanC> and once upon a time, they sold UNIX  :p
[23:42] <mhall119> when was this?
[23:43] <mhall119> they has a POSIX compatible layer at one point, I remember
[23:44] <JanC> mhall119: late 1970s - early 1980s (and they used Xenix for a *long* time after they sold it)
[23:44] <mhall119> oh man, I was barely alive then
[23:44] <mhall119> you're making me feel young JanC, and I appreciate that :)
[23:45] <JanC> AFAIK all their source code was in version control on Xenix servers, for example, while they were selling "SourceSafe" to customers
[23:46] <JanC> (the "Safe" part of SourceSafe needs "" around it)
[23:46] <JanC> up until somewhere in the late 1990s
[23:47] <JanC> (they never used SourceSafe internally as their main VCS)
[23:50] <JanC> mhall119: MS UNIX aka Xenix is actually older than MS-DOS  ☺
[23:52] <mhall119> was it system v or bsd?
[23:53] <JanC> they later sold it to SCO (which got bought by Caldera, after which Caldera renamed itself to SCO, and started a bunch of lawsuits... I'm sure you remember *that*)
[23:53] <SergioMeneses> ok guys! I have to go... see you tomorrow
[23:53] <mhall119> heh, Caldera's OpenLinux was my very first distro
[23:54] <JanC> that probably was a long time before they started suing linux users  ☺
[23:54] <mhall119> yeah
[23:54] <mhall119> I still remember hunting for tulip.so on the CDs so I could get my ethernet card working
[23:54] <JanC> and according to Wikipedia the original Xenix was based on UNIX System III
[23:55] <mhall119> ah, way WAY back
[23:56] <JanC> System II + some parts of BSD
[23:57] <JanC> System III + *